Warren Smith (SNAKE)! Is Chivalry DEAD?! Age Gap HYPOCRISY? She Is 32, BF Is 24?! | Dating Talk #246

Date: 2025-06-09

Duration: 7h 27m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCrystal (Netherlands)>

CCasey Rivera >

AAlina (Russia)>

KKatrina (Greek)>

WWarren Smith >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Alina (Russia)(guest)

SPEAKER_02Casey Rivera(guest)

SPEAKER_03Lyanna(guest)

SPEAKER_06Warren Smith(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Katrina (Greek)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Chelsea(guest)

SPEAKER_10Felicity(guest)

SPEAKER_11Crystal (Netherlands)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests + Warren Smith introduce themselves

Key MomentWarren: fired from teaching after Elon Musk tweeted his classroom video

ControversyBrian: would take lifeboat over wife/girlfriend. Panel erupts.

Key MomentCrystal (32) is dating a 24yo — Brian calls her 'predator' ironically after her age gap critique

Key MomentFelicity's arrest: 115mph chase, hit patrol car, jailed 3 days, charges dropped

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Including Warren Smith (YouTuber, fired after Elon Musk tweet) and Crystal (Netherlands, first US visit).

Warren Fired After Elon Musk Tweet

Viral JK Rowling classroom Socratic discussion. Met Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan.

Titanic/Male Disposability Debate

Brian: would take the lifeboat. Warren: would stay. Extended philosophical debate.

Age Gap Relationships

Crystal (32) dating 24yo but critiques older men dating younger women. Brian points out hypocrisy.

Oral Sex Debate

Brian's refusal. Throat cancer risk. Dealbreaker discussion.

Felicity Arrest Story

115mph police chase, hit patrol car, jailed 3 days, charges dropped.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswithout further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So, please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, and education. Go ahead. Hi, my name is Lyanna. I am in event management and I

Crystal (Netherlands)teach group fitness. I'm from Los Angeles and I'm 28 years old. All right, welcome. What about you? My name is Crystal. I'm from the Netherlands. This is my first time in the USA and I really

Crystal (Netherlands)love it here already. Uh I work in the fitness industry and uh I post on social media actually make content and I'm 32 years old. 32. You're from the

Brian AtlasNetherlands. You said what part? Uh it's on the west coast. Deh. How do you say Den? Denha. Denha. Correct. Uh, I've been to I've been there

Brian Atlasactually. It's nice. You've been to the H as well. Uh, yeah. It was There's like a beach nearby, right? Yeah, exactly. Yes. I was there. It was It was lovely. I've been to Amsterdam like three times.

Brian AtlasOkay. I It's one of my f I don't typically like big cities, but I really actually quite like it. So, beautiful. All right. Um, and you're you're from there, like you were born there. Okay, gotcha. What

Casey Riveraabout you? Um, my name is Casey Rivera. I'm 26 years old. I'm a server and bartender and I currently live in Los Angeles. All right. And you're Are you from LA or? I'm born and raised in LA.

Casey RiveraYeah. Gotcha. Um, actually, really quick, going back, uh, any education like college or university? Yeah, I went to Pasadena City College, got my AA um associates of arts to transfer and then

Casey RiveraI transferred to Sea Sun um which is Cal State Northridge. Yeah. Didn't didn't finish. What What were you uh studying? Communications. Comm. Okay, gotcha. Any college or

Crystal (Netherlands)anything? Uh yeah, I did um Yeah, it's called University of Applied Sciences and afterwards I did university but I didn't finish it. What were you studying

Lyannawhen you were at university? Um, anthrop social anthropology and sociology. Got it. And then any school for you? Yeah, I had started actually at Santa Barbara City College and then transferred to Sea

ChelseaSun for communications and journalism. Gotcha. Okay. Uh, your intro, please. Uh, Chelsea, I'm originally from Nebraska, currently residing in Virginia. Um, I work in transportation.

ChelseaWe specialize in agricultural hauling. Um, and I'm 32. Education, some college, never completed. Gotcha. 32. What were you studying when you were in college?

Alina (Russia)Um, I bounced around. I didn't really know what I wanted to do. So, all right. My name is Alina. I'm 20 years old. I'm from the city of Panza in Russia. I

Alina (Russia)currently live in Philadelphia. Uh, and I am a student. All right. What are you studying? Business. business and information systems. All right, welcome back. What

Katrina (Greek)about you? Hello, my name is Katrina. I'm 19 years old. I am born, raised, and currently located in South Florida. I am a full-time college student studying for my bachelor's degree in marketing. And I

Katrina (Greek)also currently just started uh building up a brand on social media for political and pop culture commentary. All right, welcome. My name is Felicity. I'm 19

Warren Smithfrom Santa Barbara and I study business. All right. What about you? Warren Smith, 38 today. It's my birthday. Hold on. Let

Brian Atlasme I got to play something over that. All right, guys. It's It's Warren's birthday. You got You guys got to show him a little bit of love in the chat. Maybe we'll get him. We can do a

Brian Atlasbirthday some sort of birthday pop. We'll do champagne. Maybe a cake pop. You like pizza? What do you like? Sure, man. We're going to All right. We're going to do it all. We're going to do it all. Uh, happy birthday. Uh, so you just

Brian Atlasturned 38, right? Just turned 38. And, uh, where you from? I'm from Massachusetts. All right. Boston. Just outside Boston. Just outside Boston. And, uh, education. M's degree. Uh,

Brian Atlaswhat, uh, what university? And, uh, what? Emerson College. Video field production. You said uh, film production. Video field production. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. And what's your current occupation? I do content

Brian Atlascreation now full-time on YouTube. All right, rock and roll. And uh your the name of your channel is just Warren Smith Secret Scholars Society. Okay. And

Warren Smithuh what can you explain that? What is the Secret Scholars Society? Like what's the name? That came from my thesis project. It's kind of a long story. It's during World War II, the role that

Brian AtlasHarvard played in smuggling over technology from England during Blitz. So kind of inspired the name. Got it. Rock and roll. Well, welcome everybody. We're going to go around the table once more.

Brian AtlasWhat is your current relationship status? If you're single, how long have you been single? And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in? Go ahead. I am currently single. I've been

Lyannasingle for almost a year now. My longest serious relationship was just about two years with my last my most recent ex. Gotcha. So, the one that ended a year ago was the two-year relationship. Also,

Lyannayour longest. Who broke up with who? It was actually, I know people hate when people say this, but it was mutual. It was mutual. Um, we decided that we worked better as friends. We started as friends. I think just the romance kind of died a little bit and it just became

Lyannamore of like a friendly relationship. So, we just decided that it was probably for the best, but we still get along and we're still friends. When's the last time you you still hang out with him or Yeah. When's the last time you saw him

Brian Atlasin person? Yesterday. Question for you though. From from the point of when the relationship ended, there's a clear cut, right? Yeah. It wasn't like sometimes people do these

Brian Atlasbreakups and there's like a a lingering, you know, like a trail of continuity, but you're broken up. But uh you have not hooked up with him in the past year.

LyannaOne month after we broke up, we hooked up, but since then, no. Okay. So, that would that be the clean that's the clean break then? I would say so. Maybe one month after. Yeah, I would say one month after and then I think it's just I feel like everyone just needs to get out of

Brian Atlastheir system like one more time and then you're like, "Okay, I'm good." At least maybe not a breakup. A breakup encounter. Um you've been single for one year. Are you uh are there any guys in the picture currently? Not currently.

LyannaNo. Um I've definitely been on the dating websites trying. I don't know. I I'm a little too picky. I think I think I need to You've been on dating apps? Yeah. Currently on them. Don't love

Lyannathem. You're currently on them? Yeah. Which apps are you on? Rya and Hinge. Ryan and Hinge. And have you been on them since the breakup or? I think I I signed up like three months after. I just wanted to give myself some space

Brian Atlasand then I was like, let me just see what's out there. So, so there's no guys in the picture. No. Not seriously. No. Uh, have you uh has there been any guys you've dated

Lyannauh like situationship or anything in the past year? Not in the past year. No. Nothing. No. No. I'm like, no. I swear nothing. I'm I'm busy. I have like two jobs. I just been a little bit a little

Lyannabit busy. Gotcha. And so you've been celibate for a year? Yeah. Okay. I'm celibate. Gotcha. Um Okay. Ever had a roster? I think in

Crystal (Netherlands)college like max three people maybe. Uh relationship status. Yeah, I'm currently in a relationship and my longest relationship was four years. All right. How long is your current relationship?

Brian AtlasUh going to two years. Two years. The four-year relationship. Who broke up with who? I would say me. You broke up with him? Yeah. Okay. All right. And so you've

Brian Atlasbeen seeing this guy for 2 years. Uh what was the reason for the breakup of the four-year relationship? Uh I found it a very controlling relationship and I couldn't continue it.

Crystal (Netherlands)He was controlling. Yeah. Uh how so? Um well uh he started making all the decisions for me in my life and I think yeah that's feels like controlling to me. Was uh that towards because you were

Brian Atlasdating him for four years. How soon into the relationship did he start making all the decisions or some of the decisions after a half year or a year or so? Okay. Yeah. What what were some of the things

Crystal (Netherlands)that he was doing that was controlling? Uh checking my bank account. Uh yeah having all my pass. It's um pretty much okay to have each other's uh passwords. You say if you want to log into your

Brian Atlassocial media accounts. Okay. But basically, yeah, controlling it everything. Got it. Controlling everything. Okay. And uh would he also maybe say you can't hang out with this

Brian Atlascertain person or you can't and I would listen. You can't wear this, you can't go there. That sort of stuff or Okay. You said

Brian Atlasyou're uh are you religious at all? Uh yeah. Are you Christian or Yeah, I would call myself that. Was he Christian? Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. Uh what denomination? Catholic. Both of you were

Casey RiveraCatholic or Okay. Got all right. What about you? Um I'm currently in a relationship and uh my longest relationship was three years I think.

Casey RiveraHow long have you been in your current relationship? Six months. Six months. a three-year relationship. Who broke up with who? So, he was breaking up with me, but then I found out he was cheating on me and he

Casey Riverawas trying to keep it mutual, like a mutual breakup and stay in contact. So, yeah. And then I kind of just cut that off immediately. Well, he broke up with

Casey Riverame, I guess. Okay. Plain and simple. So then he could not cheat on you, I guess. Well, no, he he was cheating on me. So, it was so funny. we were breaking up and then um for some reason cuz I was at his

Casey Riveraparents house at the time and I had my stuff over. So then I started packing my stuff and I was like let me just go through the iPad. I went through the iPad and then it turns out that he was texting another girl in the same house that I was like sleeping with his family

Brian Atlasin. So yeah, good good times. Fun fun. Three years. Nice. All right. And uh how old were you when you were in the three-year

Casey Riverarelationship? Um so we started 2019. How old am I? 26. How How old are you?

Casey Rivera26. Okay. Um so 20 I think I was No, I was 21. Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. Got it. All right. What about you? Uh I'm in a

Brian Atlasrelationship. My longest relationship was 5 years. Um, I think that covers both of those questions. Am I missing something? Your current relationship, you've been in it for five years. No. Oh, okay. Longest

Brian Atlasrelationship, 5 years. Yeah. How long have you The current one? A year. Oh, one year. Okay, gotcha. All right. Five-year relationship. Who broke up with who? Uh, I broke up with him. You broke up with him. Okay. Why is that?

ChelseaUh, we started dating when we were in high school and we moved in together and I was paying all of our bills and he just kind of refused to get a job. So, I had kind of had enough and I found an

Chelseaengagement ring and I was like, I can't live like this for the rest of my life. Okay. Uh, got it. What about you? I'm in a relationship. It's my longest and I

Brian Atlaslove him. How long have you uh been dating him? Four years. Four. Four years. Okay. Four years. You guys engaged yet or what's

Alina (Russia)going on? No, not yet. I'm fighting for it, though. You're You're fighting for it? What is What does that mean? I'm fighting for that ring. You're fighting for the ring. Uh, what does that mean?

Alina (Russia)I'm trying to prove myself to him that I can be a good wife and good mother to his children and um that it's worth the commitment. Has that not been

Alina (Russia)established yet? Um, again, I'm fighting for it. So, the fight is ongoing. Yes, there's an

Alina (Russia)ongoing. So, he has doubts about your ability to do those things. Well, that's not a question for me. That's more of a question for him, but all I know is that I'm trying. Guy you've been dating for

Alina (Russia)four years. You haven't had the conversation with him or Oh, yeah. We've had the conversation. Yeah. Okay. He wants me to prove myself to him, which So, like two weeks ago, he was like, I'm not sure about you.

Alina (Russia)Uh, not two weeks ago. I wouldn't say that. So maybe he has something in the works and you just don't know it yet. Exactly.

Alina (Russia)Okay. Um All right, that's cool. Four years. So he's not sold on you or I mean but he's with you. That's not a question for me. I don't know the answer to that.

Katrina (Greek)Yeah. Well, you guys you guys are both still finishing up college, right? Yeah. Yeah. All right. What about you? Um I'm currently single. I have been for about five months now. And my longest relationship was just over a year. Was

Katrina (Greek)that the one that ended 5 months ago? No, that was back in high school. That year-long relationship. How long was the uh one that ended 5 months ago? It was just two months. Two months. Who broke

Katrina (Greek)up with who? Uh in this recent one, he broke up with me. Okay. And uh the one-year relationship, who broke up with who? I broke up with him. Broke up with him. Why did you

Katrina (Greek)break up with him? It became very toxic and we were very codependent on each other and there was a lot of pressure on me to be somebody that I could not be somebody that he wanted me to be that I

Brian Atlascouldn't be. And then uh the this other relationship who it was him who broke up with you? Yes. In the recent one. Why is that? Uh

Felicityloss of feelings. Loss of feelings. Okay. Good times. Uh what about you? I'm single. I've been single for like two weeks. My longest relationship was

Warren Smithalmost two years. All right. Uh Warren, what about you? I am engaged, off the market, settled. Congrats. Nice. As the old man here, I'm

Brian Atlashappy to speak honestly although about my experiences if I can provide him. Sure. Male perspective. Sure. Uh how long have you been uh dating your

Warren Smithcurrent? Two years. Two years. Gotcha. And how long have you guys been engaged? We were talking about it for a while. It's that's one of the conversations we can have around whether or not to get the government involved in marriage. I

Warren Smiththink there's an interesting sure dialogue there that I that's one of the things that's been holding me up. It's like how do we go about do we need to get the government involved? Why? You know. So So you're thinking of

Warren Smithjust getting a or having a ceremony or something? Yeah. But not going to the courthouse and getting a marriage license and all that. No, it's the most legally significant thing you can do

Warren Smithexcept for dying. You You're entering a massive contract that I don't think most people understand the impacts of and these past experience I'm referring to.

Warren SmithI came close once before younger and I learned a lot from that experience. So there are lessons to be learned and that goes to prenups and things

Brian Atlasthat I have an interesting perspective on that. It all ties into I guess the legality conversation. Sure. But and uh you said you've been with your current uh partner for two years. Yes. Uh what's

Warren Smiththe longest relationship you've ever had? Oh man, I don't I don't know. Don't know. There's been too many. There's just been too many. Um, I'm I'm going to try and be I don't This is a new environment for me.

Warren SmithYeah. I don't usually do, let's just say. So, I'm going to speak honestly as best I can still. So, I don't know like

Brian Atlasfive years maybe. I Yeah. Yeah. Sounds good. We have a chat coming in here from Desert Joe. Desert Joe donated $200. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Been a

SPEAKER_00fan of Warren for a few years before he got cancelled. Love his takes on various topics. based. Glad to see him live and expanding his reach. Happy birthday,

Brian AtlasWarren. Thank you, Desert Joe. Thanks for the message, man. Appreciate it. He says you got uh cancelled, I guess. What What's is is that true? Is what's the

Warren Smithstory there? I just in a way um I was teaching at a high school and a video of me about after I met that girl actually, which is interesting. I met your

Warren Smithcurrent. Yes. The one I've settled with. Correct. About a month later, a video of me teaching I had uploaded to my teaching portfolio on YouTube and Elon Musk

Warren Smithtweeted it out on X and it went kind of went crazy and literally changed my life like overnight in this very strange way. And I saw this door open. I was like, this is once in a lifetime opportunity. I'm making very little money as a

Warren Smithteacher. My whole life I was describing how my whole background is wanting to connect with an audience through video. Suddenly, I had that opportunity. So I was like I'm just going to run as far as I can see how far I can get and that the school didn't like that which I in

Warren Smithcertain ways I can understand they viewed it as a liability fired me that became a story within itself and it's led me to meet and sit down with like Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, some some of the people that I most respect. So it's

Brian Atlasbeen quite an adventure and now I'm here with you. There you go. There you go. And uh it I think I saw the video in question. You were like having a

Warren Smithconversation with a student. Yeah. And just your Socratic method kind of asking questions. Yeah, that's my favorite thing to do. It was about JK Rowling. A student asked if my view of Harry Potter has

Warren Smithchanged given JK Rowling's bigoted opinion and we just had a five minute exchange and I didn't really think it was that stand out or anything, but you can't explain these. I don't know why it

Brian Atlasdid what it did, but Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Cool. And maybe for like the panelists and the viewers who aren't familiar, it was about like JK Rowling and some of the like trans comments she's made. Is

Warren Smiththat Yes. Yeah. The claim was she's transphobic and I just asked for evidence as you described with the Socratic method which I wasn't consciously doing the Socratic method. That's my favorite thing to do is just have conversations like this and rock

Brian Atlasand roll. And were you like let go from your job or what? I was fired. Oh, you were fired because of the video. Because of the video and the conversation you had. Yeah, a few months after that.

Brian AtlasYeah. Yeah. Crazy. Wild, wild stuff. Um, we have another chat coming in here from H one sec here. We got just Gerald and

Brian Atlashe writes, "Warren better keep it G or chat's going to regul regulate." Okay. You know this, you know the song reference here. Uh, thank you, man. Uh,

Brian AtlasWarren G regul regulate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Here we go. We got uh well done just just Gerald. I loved it. Thank you, man. Appreciate Thank you so much for the uh super chat. Really

Brian Atlasappreciate it. All right, we're going to just dive right into uh some of my pre-show notes here. Uh we're going to start

Brian Atlaswith one sec, guys. We have uh is it Lyanna? Yes. Or Okay, I got it. Lyanna. Yeah. You said after dating

Brian Atlassomeone for two months, you guys went on a trip to Bali together and he got your name tattooed on him. Correct. Did you get matching or was it just I got SA.

LyannaAnd how long did you uh how long were you dating him after? So that was my most recent relationship. That was the uh we ended up dating for two years. The two-year guy, but we were only dating

Lyannafor two months and decided to go to Bali. I told I was like, "You do not have to get my name tattooed." I actually advise you probably don't. Um, but I kind of liked it. I was definitely

Lyannalike, "Sure." I didn't get his back. So, I mean, it's He still has it. He still has it? Oh, yeah. Oh, the guy you you you still hang out with him? Yeah, he still has the tattoo. Do you think he

Lyannastill has feelings for you? No. But he's got your tattoo. I mean, I mean, he'll never forget me until he gets it covered up. So, I was just going to say, is he talked about getting it covered up? Oh, he said he has to. Cuz I always say I'm like, "Oh, you're definitely seeing other people." And he's like, "I

Alina (Russia)literally have your name on my thigh." So now I don't. Wait, how how long ago you broke up? About a year ago. And he still has the name. Wow. Maybe he does

Lyannastill love me. You guys do you guys talk still like regularly or you guys regular? Yeah. You guys hung out yesterday? Yeah, we hung out yesterday. Oh, that's the one from yesterday. But I always roast him for it. I'm like, "Yeah, you still have my name tatted."

Brian AtlasOh my goodness. I mean, he made that. I told him not to get it. That's Is there like a heart around it or is it just the name? It's just my name in person. Yeah, just Lyanna. Has he I mean, you guys

Brian Atlasbeen separated for a year. Has he dated other women? Um, yeah, definitely. Like, seriously. And like, has he told you, okay, I was on this date with this girl

Brian Atlasand she saw the tattoo? Like, has he relayed to you stories about the tattoo as it relates to dating new and other women? I haven't really asked. It is on

Lyannahis thigh. So maybe as long as his pants stay on, like he doesn't have to tell people. But yeah, I don't know. I haven't asked. That's a good question that maybe I should ask. Well, I would give my I'll give my

Brian Atlasperspective on this. If I'm going to be dating a girl and she has another man's name tattooed on her, I don't think I could date her. Like I She could be

Brian Atlaslike, "He's dead. I haven't talked to him in 10 years." I'd be like, eh, you got to get I can't I can't do it. Where where it's on the thigh? Yeah, it's like

Brian Atlasin front like in his like on his thigh. I suppose like the the location would also impact it too. Like if it was like on the pubic like like on the hip on the hip or on the butt. Oh, no way. I should

Lyannahave told him to get it on his butt. That would have been funny. Oh, you Wait, would he have done it? I mean, yeah, he was pretty in love with me at that time. So maybe two months Wait, two months in? It's a red flag. Yeah. I don't know, guys. We're not together

Warren Smithanymore. How many uh Do you have Do you have a tattoo of your any tattoos? I have one tattoo and it's North Carolina. North North Carolina. Yeah, North Carolina right there. Okay, there you go. Rock and roll. My home state. Uh Warren, when you were single, do you

Brian Atlasthink would it have been a red flag for you if you were going on a date with a girl or interested in pursuing something with a girl and she had a tattoo of another dude's name? Any name. No

Warren Smithoffense to anyone if anyone has a tattoo with a name, but I I just think it's tacky because like how what arrived what caused you to arrive at that thought process? You're not thinking like ahead to where this could potentially go

Warren Smithsideways and this is a tattoo. So, it just causes you to question the wisdom of the person. Hence why I got sea. Well, you were the you were the smart one. The smart one. We were getting tattoos and I was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna

Lyannaget SA's like I'm going to get your tattoo." What does that mean? say like it's like that's life. Something like that. Like who who here has tattoos? Show of hand. Show of hands.

Brian AtlasSo Warren, boom, boom. No tattoos. No. Okay. All right. Rock and roll. Um, would you find it objectionable, those of you who do have tattoos, if a guy

Chelseadidn't want to date you because of your tattoo or tattoos? No. my current relationship, he doesn't like the fact that I have tattoos, so I haven't gotten any more since we've been

Brian Atlastogether. Okay. And you guys have been together for you said what? One year. Yeah. Officially a year. Yeah. Um,

Brian Atlasgentlemen, do not uh after two months in Bali or whatever, do not tattoo. Don't don't tattoo. I I imagine that would be an issue though for any women who are uh

Brian Atlaslike dating him. I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe not. I would run for the hill. I do not like that. And to double down on that though, it's not just that he

Brian Atlashas the tattoo. He still hangs out with you. I think that'll be the bigger like I could see a girl. Okay, whatever. It was in the past, but like he has the tattoo and he's like kicking it with her all the time. Now, I believe you that

Lyannait's just platonic or whatever, but like from the girl's perspective, she could be like jealousy thing for sure. I 100 Yeah, I 100% agree. Like if I if the roles were reversed and I was the girl

Brian Atlasthat he was dating and he had, you know, I probably wouldn't be interested, but Sure. none of my business. I don't know. Well, moving on. You said that you refuse to date a man who hasn't moved

Brian Atlasout of his parents or slash lived on his own or with roommates before. Yeah. Uh, okay. Who here agrees with that? Like would you would any of any of you here if you so I know a lot of you are in

Brian Atlasrelationships. If you're single though, would you date a guy who is currently living with his parents, mom, dad, whatever? Yes. Would we? It depends on how old he is because I mean any age.

Brian AtlasHold on. My brother lived with our family throughout college and then now he has his own condo like and he's relatively young. So Well, I suppose you're uh 19, right? It's not at 19. It's defin es especially during college,

Brian Atlasit's not uncommon to still be living with your parents. So, let's say when you're uh 25. No, by that point, I would expect some more independence, I would say. So, it'd be a complete deal breaker. It would be

Katrina (Greek)it would Yeah, I would hope that he's on the right track to uh getting his own place, moving out, becoming independent in that sense and make sure of it like like I would want it to be made sure of.

Crystal (Netherlands)Sure. So, anybody would know, wouldn't I? Oh, you would? Absolutely. Is that more common in the uh Netherlands? Not sure. But if he shows he's a productive person, he's working hard for his

Brian Atlasfuture, and it has plans to move out, then absolutely. Got it. Okay. I heard an interesting quote the other day. It went something along the lines of, uh, a woman is more likely to date a guy who

Alina (Russia)lives with his wife than who lives with his mom. So terrible. Any thoughts on that? That's definitely true because when sometimes a lot of the time when women

Alina (Russia)see a man who's already married, they think like what is so special about him that he is already married? And so they will kind of want him. I'm not saying

Alina (Russia)that for myself, but for others for some other people. Uh and some women if they see a man living with his parents, they think like he's not established enough

Alina (Russia)to be in a relationship with her. like she wants him to have her move in and have her um like join a part of his life and uh not be with someone who still lives with his parents. But I think it's

Lyannafine before marriage to live with your parents. It also depends on age, too. Okay, there you go. Can I jump in real fast? I personally just don't feel like you can marry someone without living

Lyannawith them first. coming from somebody who's personally I know cultures and different people believe in different things but personally for me I've lived with two previous boyfriends and you don't really know somebody until you've

Lyannalived with them and see their living habits like you may think that you spend every day with them but there's going to be little things that bother you and it's whether that's livable for you or not. I mean, there's obviously things to

Lyannalook past, but I don't think you truly know someone until you like you see how they handle bills. They you see how they pick up around the house. Like, it's just little things, you know, like them

Lyannaliving in a space cuz that that's when the walls really break down. And yeah, I don't know. That's just my take is I just I could never I would definitely live with somebody before marrying them as well. What were the deal breakers for

Lyannayou then that you experienced? Financial responsibility. Um, understanding that I mean that also goes back on like I can't really date somebody or live with somebody unless they've lived on their own before and

Lyannaunderstand the importance of paying your bills on time and like having good credit and these things do matter and it's, you know, if you're going out to an expensive dinner but you're like six days late on rent and you can't pay for like it's it's priorities. I think it

Katrina (Greek)shows a lot of responsibility, independence and priorities. May I jump in? I totally agree with you as well because there are individuals that just they spend their money irresponsibly. They might spend it on like a new fancy

Katrina (Greek)sports car when they could have spent put that towards uh their own place of living, right? It just depends on how you allocate your money and I understand, you know, economically. It's still kind of challenging with how

Katrina (Greek)things are. Um but and I do think it is a cultural difference as well here and in other countries as well, but I think it really depends. It tells you a lot like if somebody lives on their own, how how smart they are with their money, how

Chelseaconsiderate they are with what they have and how they allocate their money uh appropriately. I'm going to go ahead and add to that, too, because my 5-year relationship, that was the biggest issue is, you know, he's going out and he wants to spend money on X, Y, and Z, and then buys an

Chelseaengagement ring, and I come home and I'm like, well, where's the money for rent? Why am I sitting here busting my ass and you can't even afford that? Going back to your notes, you also wrote that uh you need someone who's somewhat

Brian Atlasfinancially stable, responsible, and independent. You said you've been stuck paying an ex's rent and bills in the past, and you'll never four hours.

Brian AtlasDo that. Do that again. Uh was that the two-year guy who you're paying his rent? There was a period of time where I was helping him pay his rent. um we get along now and things have been smooshed,

Lyannabut I think that that's a big thing where it's I understand like losing a job and things get tough, but I just think that moving forward, I've realized

Lyannanow that I need to um put my foot down a little bit better about that. I tend to just want to help people, but like paying someone's bills and rent is not

Lyannafun. And how much was his rent? His portion was like,5,600. Oh, you guys were living together. Mhm. I see. Okay. Okay. So, living together. Yeah. Living together. So, that's what

Lyannait was is like we were under the same lease. So, it's not like I was just paying his rent at his separate apartment. Like we lived together and unfortunately like he lost his job so I was helping pick that up. Um but I think

Lyannasometimes people can I don't know. I just think that that moving forward I just need to make sure that like I'm not getting taken advantage of. I'm not saying that he necessarily did, but I

Lyannajust think in the future like I don't know. I just need somebody who's who's used to the financial burden and has a savings for when situations like that happen. Like obviously things happen, people lose jobs and you know, life

Lyannaisn't always predictable, but maybe just having a backup plan so that you're not always just leaning on the person. Was he employed? What was that? Was he employed? So he he lost his job and

Lyannathat's when I started Yeah. So supporting him. But I just think as I get older and I'm looking for somebody to be with forever, like of course you're going to help each other out, but it can not become a habit or something like that. What was the period of time

Lyannauh that you were, I guess, fully supporting him by paying for rent and stuff? I'd say like three or four months. Okay. And were you frustrated by that? I think yeah it gets a little

Lyannafrustrating after a couple months in because you know he's of course looking for jobs and I understand it's not that easy but so you want to be supportive as a as a girlfriend and as a support

Lyannasystem but I'm not the richest person in the world too. So like it definitely just takes like what's the word I'm looking for? It just it weighs heavily a little bit after a while and you can't help but to feel a little frustrated

Casey Riveraeven if they're trying their best. It's just something that I can't Sure. I'm not your mom. Sure. Yeah. Sorry. Definitely puts pressure on a person when you have to feel like you have to take care of another. Um, so yeah, I can

Lyannaagree on that. But I also probably feel like maybe he also felt frustrated because as a man, you want to feel like you can support and be, you know, the bread winner and stuff. So I'm sure like it probably didn't help his own personal

Lyannamasculinity as well to feel like I had to support. Was he looking for a job? Yeah. No, I know that for a fact because I saw him going to interviews and he did a lot of like at home interviews, but it's just I can't help but to be

Lyannafrustrated when like I have to like money is such a touchy subject. So, it's it's difficult, but it's also like you can't help but eventually feel annoyed like please. How long did it take before you guys started to move in together?

Crystal (Netherlands)After a year. A year. Yeah. So, after a year we moved into Weren't there already kind of signs maybe that he wasn't good with his money or anything? Not off the

Lyannabat, not necessarily. Um, we would go on really nice dates and really nice restaurants, but I just felt like maybe he had it like that. Like maybe he was just, you know, did he used to pay for

Lyannaall of the dates? At the beginning, yes, for the first few months. Um, I always feel like eventually like I'm going to want to pitch into like I'm always or there's there's been dates that I've fully taken care of. He But at the beginning, he

Lyannatook care of all of them. And then obviously once we moved in together, it was a lot of split finances of course until I needed to help. But um yeah, no, I've paid for dates. He's paid for

Brian Atlasdates, but I'd say the majority he paid for to answer your question. All right, we're going to move on to the rest of the notes here. We you know, we're going

Brian Atlasto go to Alina here for for a bit. Uh Alina, uh you said fem cells exist. We I think we debated on that a little bit last show. Is your position still the

Alina (Russia)same? Um, you know, I've done some growing, some maturing. You know, my frontal lobe developed a little bit. And

Alina (Russia)I think now the term in like incel and female, it doesn't make sense because anyone can just if they're so desperate, you can pay someone a lot of money to

Alina (Russia)sleep with you. So, can incel or female even exist at all? Because you can pay someone, you can save up the money if you're so desperate and pay someone. Well, I wouldn't even as it relates to

Brian Atlasfem cell, but I wouldn't even grant that to incels. What do you mean like grant that? Like I wouldn't say Okay, so yes, incelss could purchase a prostitute, but I don't think that's really getting at

Alina (Russia)what they mean when they say they're involuntarily celibate. Like you wouldn't count uh prostitution, like paying for for a prostitute as an exception to that. No, I I wouldn't I

Brian Atlaswouldn't allow that as like an exception either for female or or incel, but it seems like it would apply more to incel, but uh I it it it kind of relates more

Brian Atlasso to a nontransactional, although some people might argue that any sort of, you know, relationship dynamic could has

Brian Atlastransactional components to them. But in this case, it's it's just like uh explicitly transactional. Um I think

Brian Atlasthis more so applies to just the degree to which you can get sex absent like a transactional nature of the relationship. So like a genuine

Brian Atlasuh a genuine sexual desire and I would say prostitutes don't have a genuine sexual desire to sleep with their paid clients. I suppose it's it's logically

Brian Atlaspossible that they a prostitute could enjoy the transactional sexual encounter, but um I think it's you have to remove the

Brian Atlastransactional component from it. So, but in this case though, what what I think we disagreed on before um well, I guess removing whether incels or fem cells could just hire a prostitute, which they

Alina (Russia)can. um removing that argument. Do you think fem cells can exist? I think that even if you try so hard and after a certain time you find someone

Alina (Russia)you find that guy who is willing to sleep with you that up until that point you would be a fem cell. Even if it takes you a few years or a few months for those for that time you would

Alina (Russia)consider yourself a fem cell, right? Because you're struggling to find someone to sleep with. Whereas a woman who would not consider herself that could just would be confident that she

Alina (Russia)can find someone right away. I mean it's kind of a brain rot discussion anyway but it's I think fem cells could exist for that time. Wait, it was your prompt or something? It was

Brian Atlasliterally your prompt like six months ago. Uh the the what the prefrontal cortex developed you said. So back then six months ago you were just brain rot. Yeah. 6 months ago I was pretty brain

Brian Atlasrot but okay what's a non-brain rot convo you want to have then oh I don't know it'll come up I'm sure it'll come up well then I'll quickly address this then move it on yeah I mean I just think ultimately like you could take like a

Brian Atlasreally unattractive woman and a really unattractive man and you throw both of them on the dating app and I think that really unattractive guy is going to struggle like substantially to get anything and I think the really

Alina (Russia)unattractive woman if she makes herself sexually available she can get sexual access within in a couple days a day. Yeah, absolutely. I never disagreed with that. Like I never said that uh the idea

Alina (Russia)of a fem cell or the concept of a fem cell is as common as a male incel. That wasn't my point. I'm just I was just saying that they could exist. Like you're saying logically it's possible

Alina (Russia)that a fem cell could like she would be just even if it's for a temporary timeor. even if it's for a temporary time, she would consider herself a fem cell in that time cuz she's like, "Oh,

Alina (Russia)damn." Like, I'm struggling to find someone. I'm a female. And then she's like, "Oh, boom. I found this guy. I'm no longer a fem cell." But I I think there's a like

Brian Atlasfemale I think it means they can't find a man of the appropriate standard to have sex with. Whereas like incels

Brian Atlasliterally cannot like they can't even get anybody even if they lower their standards. Yeah. So I think women struggle to get relationships sometimes but like I don't think that this

Brian Atlasnecessarily means they're like they have trouble procuring like a one night stand or something. You can be really attractive and still struggle to get a relationship. Right. But this would make you uh not a

Brian Atlasfemale. I'm not saying yeah I wouldn't make you cuz female cel it relates to celibacy strictly sex. Anyways, you say it's brain rot. So, I mean, if you're not if there's nothing to push back on, I'm not going to linger on it, but um

Alina (Russia)Warren, what do you think about Do you feel like you're struggling to find Oh, me? No. Me? No. Do you know girls that are? I knew a girl who um she was

Alina (Russia)struggling to like she was going out to places where she could meet guys and she was struggling to get those guys to stick around, not just for a relationship, but also for like possible

Alina (Russia)hookups as well. like she was down for something like a one night stand or um like a friends with benefits and um I was with her the one time she met a guy and then later on a

Alina (Russia)few days later they were going to meet and he flaked on her and he said that he was homosexual and so it it she said it's not the first time that she had an experience like that. So is there a

Alina (Russia)pattern there? What do you think is causing that? uh for her. I honestly have not maybe I don't know her well enough to know that there could be some type of underlying

Alina (Russia)problem that could be causing that. I think you know women can get laid easier than men much easier. I agree with that. even if she's unattractive. But there can be cases where a woman is just

Alina (Russia)really struggling to keep a guy around even for something like a friends with benefits or um even just for hookups for maybe like something was wrong with her

Alina (Russia)personality or like how she is um with him when they're hanging out together like something just strikes like a red flag in him and he doesn't want to see her anymore. Could be something like that. Yeah.

Brian AtlasDo you want to tell you actually were a fem cell though? Me at one point, right? Is that I wasn't? No. Never. Never. Never. Oh, okay. Anybody here ever identified as a female? First time

Brian Atlashearing this word. First time hearing the word thing. Welcome to Brain Raw America. Uh, has anybody here like I guess I could ask this. Uh, does any It's one of

Brian Atlasthe questionnaires. I don't know if anybody Well, I'll just ask it. Uh, does anybody here think it's more difficult for women to get laid? No. No. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's pretty much it on that. Cat, thank for the gifted 50

Brian Atlasmemberships. Really appreciate it. Let me pull up. There is one chat coming in here, so I'll just uh get it going. We have Lucas. Yo, Lucas, thank you so much, man. Call it a hunch, but Warren

Warren Smithhas been watching a bunch of James Ston. Am I right? You know who that is? James Saxon. Oh, yes. That's Yes, I have. the the New York New York City attorney, like family attorney, divorce attorney.

Warren SmithYeah, he has some interesting takes and he's the one who made a very compelling argument around why get the government involved. It's going so well. It's like we're so happy. You know what we should do? Let's make it draw this up in a

Brian Atlascontract with the government because they do so Yeah. so well. So, are you getting you said you're uh you're engaged. Are you going to get a prenup or I I don't think anyone should get

Warren Smithmarried without a prenup. Honestly, and this could be an interesting conversation. I know a lot of people it's a controversial idea. I that saved me in the sense of when I almost got

Warren Smithmarried, she came from a very wealthy family. I was a school teacher and her parents were pushing for and I didn't care about a I was like, "Oh, sure.

Warren SmithWe'll sign it." And there was all these family lawyers and pushed the process. But I realized having to have that conversation is

Warren Smithwhat revealed what I would have been putting up with for the duration of being married. And I think it can lead to having because if

Warren Smithyou can't have a conversation like that, it's just simply you should be able to have a conversation like that and be like, we don't expect this to go bad, but this will simplify both of our lives. And I

Warren Smithcan understand, I guess, from a a woman's perspective, if you're marrying for the a certain reason, you might not want to prenup. I can understand that, but I don't think you should scowl at a

Brian Atlasguy if he wants to have that conversation. I guess everybody here at the table, uh, there's quite a few of you who are in relationships. Uh, let's say you were dating a guy, you guys were engaged, and

Brian Atlasthen shortly after, you know, you guys get engaged, whatever. He's like, ETW, want you to sign a prenup. Does it introduce a conflict into your relationship? Are you totally fine with

Felicityit? Would you object to the prenup? Going around the table, starting with Felicity Gut. Um, one of the first times I was actually on the show, there was a woman

Felicitynamed Alexa and she was talking about what she thought of prenups and she changed my mind about it. I think I would like a prenup. You would like a prenup? Okay. Yeah. I don't think a

Katrina (Greek)prenup is a bad idea. I think it actually reveals a lot about a true person's colors depending on how they react if you bring it up to them. Right. And for me, it wouldn't I wouldn't mind

Katrina (Greek)because I wouldn't be marrying somebody with only intentions of just, you know, of their money or taking their money, right? You have to have pure intentions. Sure. Can I have you tilt your mic down just a little bit? What about you, Alina? I think I need to be more

Warren Smithfamiliar of what's a prenup like, what is the details exactly of a prenup? just it's an agreement so that if the marriage goes bad, which over 50% of marriages do, it's just rather than

Warren Smithhaving the government come in and drag this out through a legal process and screw one of the two people over in the end most likely and lose cost you a lot more money, you can it just by having

Warren Smiththis document, it's a bas. It's not even having you sign it. It's just having an agreement between the two of you. It's just this is how it'll it's often this is my resources going into it, your

Warren Smithresources going into it and this will be our resources during the marriage and this is how we'll divy it up. It can be as simple as that. And James Sexon does a great job of articulating what that can look like and it's so simple. It doesn't have to we have this idea of

Alina (Russia)what it is in our minds. It doesn't have to be that. Is there different rules for someone who's not planning to work? Like let's say a woman is trying to be a stay at home mom or something and she doesn't

Alina (Russia)really have resources going into the marriage but her resource her resources are going to be what the husband builds up throughout the marriage. A good question and this conversation allows

Warren Smithyou to figure that out before making this legally binding contract that is marriage. People go to Vegas or whatnot metaphorically and enter into this thing without realizing what they've just

Warren Smithdone. There's no handbook is James Ston's like description of this. It doesn't come with a handbook. And this just allows you to figure that out before doing it. Are you going to am I

Warren Smithgoing to provide? Can we do this? Is that the expectation? And then if it if we do split in the worst case scenario, what would be fair to you? And you come to an agreement before rather than trying to

Chelseacome to an agreement now when you hate each other. Okay, I guess I'm down for that. What about you? Prenuts thoughts. I agree. I think I think they're a good

Chelseathing. It's beneficial for both people. You go into it with your own resources. You leave with your own resources, your own debts, whatever it may be. It's not somebody else's problem. You brought all that into the relationship yourself. So,

Casey RiveraI agree as well. Um, just because it protects both of our assets. on whatever we grow into. Like if we if let's say I boom up in my business and they boom up

Casey Riverain their brand, then I think it's fine to protect both of our businesses. Um so yeah, I would definitely do the prenup. Yeah, me too. For the same reasons they mentioned as well. And you can really

Warren Smithtell uh tell something about the other person. You can get to know them probably better through that way. Yeah, I'm 100% signing a prenup. One more. What was interesting for the thing that went wrong for me though it

Warren Smithwasn't even so it did reveal a lot about her but I kind of had already gone through this with her and other we had broken up three times. It revealed her family dynamic and this team of lawyers and what her parents were expecting

Warren Smithwhich would have dragged on and dragged on as well. So you broke up three times. Yeah. How does that work? Like that's just break up one time. do stupid things when we when we have a dream in our

Warren Smithminds and we think and on some level you're in love. It's faster and more complicated and you want you you fall in love with the idea especially when you get to an

Warren Smithage and that biology clock is ticking for all of us especially you guys as well like and it just you come back and you learn to I learned to deal with

Warren SmithI don't want to throw around the term narcissist lightly but you can encounter like a clinical level narcissist and that is a pattern that they enacted hoovering bringing the person back And and even after when this happened, I was

Warren Smithlike, "This is if if you bail on this and blow this up, like it's it's done. This is the third time. And I know you're going to try and do it again." And sure enough, I articulated that

Warren Smithplain and simple, but they just can't. So, learn to recognize that it's Yeah, they're out there. Okay, cool. Uh let's

Brian Atlassee. We're going to get into uh where is it? Chelsea. Chelsea, you mentioned in your notes one of the dating topics you wanted to speak on.

ChelseaIt's body counts. So, what's your position there? Um, I would have to say that I think women should have a lower

Chelseabody count. Do I think that's always the case? No. And I know that men judge women based on their body count. So, I guess my question is is like how do females feel about a man judging them

Chelseafor their body count? How do you feel about your own body count? And do you like regret what your body count is? I'll open that up to the panel, but why don't you give us your position on that

Chelseafirst? Which part? Just my thoughts on it. Yeah. Uh, well, I mean, like I said, I think that women should have a lower body count. I mean any man's desire is

Brian Atlasto have someone who has a lower body count. So, right. But do you object to men for example uh having a preference for for women who have low body count? No. No. You're

Crystal (Netherlands)okay. Anybody want to? Yeah. I think it's the business of the men of course if they want it or not. But I also will judge a man if he has a high body kind as well. You'll judge him too. Yeah. Because I find that disgusting as well.

Katrina (Greek)So yeah. Yeah. I don't believe in the double like the double standard where men can go and do whatever they want and women can like are set to a certain standard. And I don't I don't agree with people sleeping around no matter what

Katrina (Greek)what gender you are, what sex you are. I I think you should be like as close to like a low as close to zero as you possibly can because I think that shows a lot about how much you respect and how much you you value yourself and you

Brian Atlasvalue the person that you plan if you plan to settle down with person that you plan to share your life with and how you're going to set an example for uh other people around you. Yeah. Well, we do have a question here

Brian Atlason the questionnaire is uh or well a statement rather a woman's passion not matter. Uh the only person who agreed with that was uh Lyanna. Really? Yeah. You're the only one who circled that.

Brian AtlasAll the other women here seem to uh seem to uh think that a woman's past does matter. Uh why why do you think or why do you agree that a woman's past should

Lyannanot matter? I don't know. I think if you're say 35 years old and you had a college phase where you dated a lot of people and you experimented. If I'm like

Lyannaif it's like 15 years down the line and you're like settling down and you're not that person anymore and someone's like, "Well, 15 years ago you had a roster and you slept with all these guys in college, so I don't want to be with

Lyannayou." I would just think that would be a little bit ridiculous. Um I don't know. I just think like that's just like one example, but I just think that I mean also it depends like how severe I guess the past is and and everyone's entitled

Lyannato their own opinion. If a man doesn't want to be with somebody because they've slept with so many people, then that's totally fine. You're entitled to your own opinion. But I just think it's I think a lot of the time too men men do

Lyannaexpect a lot from women, but if you were to turn around and ask the same question, it'd be like, "Well, it doesn't apply to me. It only applies to you cuz you're a woman." I mean, I've heard I I had this one saying um someone

Lyannain college told me and they were like, "A key that opens many locks is a good key, but a lock that many keys can open is a bad lock or something along those

Brian Atlaslines." And I just thought it was funny, but something something along that I'm like that wasn't exactly almost got it. But you mentioned there was a college phase. Uh did you have a what does that mean? What's a college? I mean I didn't I mean

Lyannaa lot of people in college like will sleep around or they'll date a lot of people. Not everyone but I feel like people have phases people high school I mean what whatever it may be but high school phase I don't know high school hey yeah it goes down in high school 20s

Lyannalike I feel like there's there's times I mean I know people I know somebody who was in a relationship for 10 years all through high school and college and then they broke up and they were like well I never slept with anyone else so like I'm going to go date around and see what I

Lyannalike and I think that's totally fine whatever you want. Did you have a college phase? I wouldn't say so. I I'm unfortunately like a serial relationship dater.

Brian AtlasUm or situationshiper, which is horrible. Okay. Um uh has anybody here had a college phase, party phase? Some people call it the hoe phase. I've had a

Casey Riveraparty phase, but I wasn't sleeping with people. They're like, "Anybody no hoe phases?" No. I went more on a dating phase because like trying to get to know myself on what I like and uh what I

Casey Riverawould want in like a future partner or just a distraction in that moment. So I'll be honest if I I would find a no

Warren Smithoffense like a situationship serial person more alarming probably than a college face. I'm sorry. Like a serial a serial anonymous would make you more worried than someone who's had a bunch

Warren Smithof relationships relation what how' you situationship like you're only sleeping with this person but you don't have an official title. If you're bouncing from like short relationship to short relationship rather than someone who's like yeah I you know had some fun in

Warren Smithcollege. I'm not saying that. What if they're not short? I had a situationship of four years and that was a situationship. But you had a fouryear situation. Yeah that was horrible. Four year that's not a situation. Well, I mean, if I try to tell him, if you've

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