Man vs. Bear DEBATE! Andrew Wilson! Genghis Khan BETA MALE? E-GIRLS! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #158

Date: 2024-05-06
Duration: 6h 49m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Madison(guest)
SPEAKER_03Natalia Taylor(guest)
SPEAKER_04Ali Hardesty(guest)
SPEAKER_05Nicole(guest)
SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Demi Hawks(guest)
SPEAKER_12Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_13Aspen(guest)

Key Moments

00:00:13
QuoteBrian Atlas opens show intro

welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape

00:04:07
OtherNatalia Taylor introduces herself as a traditional model

hi I'm Natalia Taylor I'm 27 I'm from the Coachella Valley and I'm a traditional model and a cashier at a gift shop

00:06:29
OtherDemi Hawks introduces herself as a porn star (returning guest)

uh I'm Demi Hawks I'm 24 and I live in Los Angeles and I'm a porn star welcome back

00:07:26
OtherMorgan reveals she quit OnlyFans after encountering the Whatever podcast

I will say your podcast did help solidify that decision... I was already like getting out of it but after coming into contact with the podcast it definitely solidified

00:21:27
ControversyAndrew Wilson argues pornography is semantically identical to prostitution

if you make the claim that people who have sexual intercourse for money are prostitutes and you're having sexual intercourse for money this would make you a what — that would make me a prostitute

01:33:27
ControversyBrian states he would not take a bullet for a girlfriend or wife

I would not be willing in that scenario to take a bullet for her I would not die for my girlfriend or wife

02:25:00
ControversyAndrew Wilson cites Ephesians 5:22 on wifely submission to justify Brian's position

wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands as unto the Lord for the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church

02:35:00
OtherNatalia shares she submitted to her husband before attraction developed — heard God's voice

I heard God tell me this is your husband submit to him... I knew that the way that he appeared during that time wasn't how he would always be and that he would grow into the man that he was meant to be

02:46:20
OtherMan vs Bear debate introduced — would you rather be stuck in the woods with a man or a bear?

the question is would you rather be stuck in the woods with a man or a bear

03:18:00
ControversyDemi explains bears are more predictable than unknown men; Andrew challenges her promiscuity contradiction

a man that I don't know could be very unpredictable and a bear like it can be unpredictable but if you leave Bears alone they will more likely leave you

03:48:53
OtherRatings round begins — Brian asks panel to rate own looks 1-10

Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 start with you

04:02:00
OtherNatalia discloses drug addiction, psychosis, and husband's drug dealing backstory

I was addicted to weed cocaine Molly um and hallucinogens... I went into a full-blown psychosis for over a year

04:16:00
OtherNicole's condom cup story — ex cheated in her apartment

I go back into my room my bed and there's a cup with a condom wrapper inside of it

04:35:00
ControversyAndrew Wilson's debate-book recommendations after Gerald's $600 super chat

Story of Philosophy by Will Durant... A World Without Men by Aaron Clarey... Dogmatic Theology by Losskey... Terry Goodkind fiction... Lord of the Rings

06:16:40
OtherBrian reveals Sadia Khan cancelled appearance over travel compensation dispute

she was supposed to be the guest on the show today... the big crux of it was she was already planning to be in LA we're 2 hours north she wanted to get us to pay for an Uber there and back and then hotel

06:48:00
OtherEnd-of-show body count round: Demi 100+, Ali 100-200, Natalia under 10, Aspen under 10, Morgan teens, Madison ~2-3

lost count forever ago in the hundreds no like over 100 that's the number for the day boys and girls

Topics Discussed

00:00:13
Intro & 1M Clips Channel Plaque Unboxing

Brian opens the show with announcements and unboxes YouTube 1M subscriber plaque for the Whatever Clips channel.

00:04:07
Guest introductions

All guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Includes brief discussion of traditional vs. OnlyFans modeling, Demi's porn career, Morgan quitting OnlyFans after the show, Natalia's YouTube channel, Andrew Wilson's Crucible channel and Miami beef with Wes Watson.

00:12:40
Relationship statuses

Each guest describes current relationship status. Demi discusses building first-ever roster. Ali describes meeting ex at a foursome. Natalia describes meeting husband during recovery. Nicole describes meeting current boyfriend Will (ex's former best friend). Demi's pornography vs. prostitution semantics debate with Andrew Wilson.

01:33:27
Should a man take a bullet for a woman?

Brian states he would not take a bullet for a girlfriend or wife, but would for his children. Panel goes around the table. Andrew Wilson debates from Eastern Orthodox ethics: submission must precede sacrifice. Natalia argues from Biblical equality. Discussion extends to Genghis Khan, alpha/beta framing, and ecclesiastical authority in marriage. Champagne pop when viewer Gerald sends $600.

02:25:00
Biblical submission in marriage

Andrew Wilson cites Ephesians 5:22 on wifely submission. Natalia (married) shares she submitted to her husband before attraction developed; husband grew into the role. Debate on whether submission is prerequisite for male sacrifice. Andrew argues church community/shame mechanisms prevent arbitrary divorce.

02:46:20
Man vs. Bear debate

Viral TikTok/hypothetical question: would you rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear? Most panel chose 'man'. Only Demi (and briefly Andrew) chose 'bear'. Brian argues the choice is social signaling about distrust of men. Andrew presents reframed versions (bathroom, room, 10 men vs 10 bears). Discussion of women's distrust of men, domestic violence stats, correlation of OnlyFans careers with male distrust.

03:00:00
Trust of men, promiscuity, and OnlyFans

Andrew presses Demi on contradiction: wants to be more promiscuous but chose bear over man. Demi argues she only has sex with men in the industry she knows. Discussion of sample size from sex work leading to male distrust. Ali and Demi identified as the two who said 'bear' — both in sex work.

03:48:53
Ratings round

Brian asks panel to rate their own looks 1-10. Self-ratings given: Natalia 6.9, Nicole 7, Demi 10, Ali 5.5, Morgan 7, Brian ~5 (self-stated). Andrew jokingly rated himself 4 in Demi's voice.

03:55:20
Pre-show notes & guest stories

Brian reads pre-show notes. Natalia's drug addiction/psychosis/husband backstory. Nicole's condom cup story (ex cheated in her apartment). Demi's marketable skills discussion. Ali's orgy-meeting-ex backstory. Morgan's child support negotiation. Andrew's book recommendations. Discussion on OnlyFans backup plans if EMP or ban.

06:16:40
Show wrap-up and Sadia Khan story

Brian discloses Sadia Khan (dating coach/psychologist) was originally booked for the episode but cancelled over travel compensation dispute (Uber + hotel from LA). Brian offered a carpool; she declined. He says she was the B-side. Rachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) confirmed as upcoming guest. Twitch raid to 'Grandma' (82yo World of Warcraft player). Body count round at end.

Transcript

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Brian AtlasI agree they obviously agree obviously agree okay GG well played to the panel last call hit the like button please on your way out if you're watching on YouTube uh thank you for we are going to I'll do a twitch raid then we'll wrap uh thank you for tuning in tonight you
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Brian Atlascould have been anywhere in the world but you're here with me I appreciate that thank you to everyone who super chats donates and supports the show we will be live again Tuesday 5:00 P pm. Pacific got a good guest for that one any girls who want to be on the show we're supposed to have a big guest on this show I don't know if I should
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Brian Atlasreally get into it I don't know if you guys know uh Sadia KH uh she was supposed to be the guest on the show today but I don't know if it's worth getting into it when are we getting
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Brian Atlaswhen I'm like talking about any sort of conflict I like to try to be you know give all the facts I try not to like if there's anything that paints me negatively I'll actually include that um
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Brian AtlasI won't like withhold anything that potentially makes me look bad and just or or overemphasize anything that makes them look bad essentially though the big Crux of it was uh she was already
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Brian Atlasplanning to be in La we're 2 hours North she wanted to get the uh she wanted to get have us pay for an Uber there and back and then
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Brian AtlasHotel uh I offered for like perhaps there were some girls that were going to be on the panel today I was like hey maybe one of the girls who is already driving from La they can just pick you
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Brian Atlasup and just drive you back same night didn't sound like she was interested I wasn't really prepared she's I wasn't prepared to pay for it one because we already booked her and
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Brian AtlasI already booked her and when I booked her that would have been the opportunity to have requested compensation to come on the show not granted I think she did bring it up like about two weeks two
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Brian Atlasweeks or so before but it should have been brought up initially when I booked her and I actually did make she said she didn't want for her panel she didn't want a bunch of of girls on the panel and I
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Andrew Wilsonthem out Andrew you gonna be streaming for a little bit after this or of course yep I'll be doing um probably a 40 minute after show going through all the super Chats on my end that kind of thing okay I did want to thank the entirety of
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Andrew Wilsonthe panel for coming out this evening and arguing with me I take none of this personally and I bear no grudges whatsoever I appreciate the spirited back and forth even with you it was great um I
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Nickappreciate it from all of us here at whatever podcast I really appreciate everybody coming out it was sure swell fellas that was good actually he might be better at it he might be better at
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Brian Atlasyour voice than you are seriously Andrea consider voice acting that was impressive that was good it was good thanks
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Demi Hawkswait last thing last thing everyone's body count starting with you oh God I lost count forever ago in the hundreds no like over
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Demi Hawks100 that's the number for the day boys and girls definitely your dad um a couple other
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Ali Hardestypeople so between 100 and 200 probably probably around I'm that Ally uh definitely not anywhere near that out R you want to give us a number range
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Natalia Taylorprobably like under 10 under 10 under 10 yeah me it doesn't matter cuz everyone before my husband was boring
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Natalia Taylorso do you want to give this rrange I mean I have less the mic is like I have more fingers let's just say
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Natalia Taylorthat you had what I have more fingers oh so less than 10 less than 10 okay so less than 10 less than 10 could count on she just stole my line oh she
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Brian Atlastold me she was going to say that okay two two I'm in the teens 19 no oh okay all right all right
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Brian Atlascool all right guys uh 07s in the chat thank you for tuning in good night guy oh what's that oh I'll get that yeah I'll just I'll do that right now uh while I do that let me just double check
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Brian Atlaseverything I think we're good there um hold on okay uh we will be live like I said Tuesday 500 p.m. Pacific thank you guys for tuning in 07s in the chat like the video on the way out and I hope you guys have
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Brian Atlasa good night and we'll see you guys next time good night guys bye