Man vs. Bear DEBATE! Andrew Wilson! Genghis Khan BETA MALE? E-GIRLS! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #158

Date: 2024-05-06

Duration: 6h 49m

Guests

Brian Atlas

NNatalia Taylor >

AAli Hardesty >

MMadison (DT164)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_03Natalia Taylor(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ali Hardesty(guest)

SPEAKER_05Nicole(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Demi Hawks(guest)

SPEAKER_12Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_13Aspen(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian Atlas opens show intro

“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape”

OtherNatalia Taylor introduces herself as a traditional model

“hi I'm Natalia Taylor I'm 27 I'm from the Coachella Valley and I'm a traditional model and a cashier at a gift shop”

OtherDemi Hawks introduces herself as a porn star (returning guest)

“uh I'm Demi Hawks I'm 24 and I live in Los Angeles and I'm a porn star welcome back”

OtherMorgan reveals she quit OnlyFans after encountering the Whatever podcast

“I will say your podcast did help solidify that decision... I was already like getting out of it but after coming into contact with the podcast it definitely solidified”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues pornography is semantically identical to prostitution

“if you make the claim that people who have sexual intercourse for money are prostitutes and you're having sexual intercourse for money this would make you a what — that would make me a prostitute”

ControversyBrian states he would not take a bullet for a girlfriend or wife

“I would not be willing in that scenario to take a bullet for her I would not die for my girlfriend or wife”

ControversyAndrew Wilson cites Ephesians 5:22 on wifely submission to justify Brian's position

“wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands as unto the Lord for the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church”

OtherNatalia shares she submitted to her husband before attraction developed — heard God's voice

“I heard God tell me this is your husband submit to him... I knew that the way that he appeared during that time wasn't how he would always be and that he would grow into the man that he was meant to be”

OtherMan vs Bear debate introduced — would you rather be stuck in the woods with a man or a bear?

“the question is would you rather be stuck in the woods with a man or a bear”

ControversyDemi explains bears are more predictable than unknown men; Andrew challenges her promiscuity contradiction

“a man that I don't know could be very unpredictable and a bear like it can be unpredictable but if you leave Bears alone they will more likely leave you”

OtherRatings round begins — Brian asks panel to rate own looks 1-10

“Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 start with you”

OtherNatalia discloses drug addiction, psychosis, and husband's drug dealing backstory

“I was addicted to weed cocaine Molly um and hallucinogens... I went into a full-blown psychosis for over a year”

OtherNicole's condom cup story — ex cheated in her apartment

“I go back into my room my bed and there's a cup with a condom wrapper inside of it”

ControversyAndrew Wilson's debate-book recommendations after Gerald's $600 super chat

“Story of Philosophy by Will Durant... A World Without Men by Aaron Clarey... Dogmatic Theology by Losskey... Terry Goodkind fiction... Lord of the Rings”

OtherBrian reveals Sadia Khan cancelled appearance over travel compensation dispute

“she was supposed to be the guest on the show today... the big crux of it was she was already planning to be in LA we're 2 hours north she wanted to get us to pay for an Uber there and back and then hotel”

OtherEnd-of-show body count round: Demi 100+, Ali 100-200, Natalia under 10, Aspen under 10, Morgan teens, Madison ~2-3

“lost count forever ago in the hundreds no like over 100 that's the number for the day boys and girls”

Topics Discussed

Intro & 1M Clips Channel Plaque Unboxing

Brian opens the show with announcements and unboxes YouTube 1M subscriber plaque for the Whatever Clips channel.

Guest introductions

All guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Includes brief discussion of traditional vs. OnlyFans modeling, Demi's porn career, Morgan quitting OnlyFans after the show, Natalia's YouTube channel, Andrew Wilson's Crucible channel and Miami beef with Wes Watson.

Relationship statuses

Each guest describes current relationship status. Demi discusses building first-ever roster. Ali describes meeting ex at a foursome. Natalia describes meeting husband during recovery. Nicole describes meeting current boyfriend Will (ex's former best friend). Demi's pornography vs. prostitution semantics debate with Andrew Wilson.

Should a man take a bullet for a woman?

Brian states he would not take a bullet for a girlfriend or wife, but would for his children. Panel goes around the table. Andrew Wilson debates from Eastern Orthodox ethics: submission must precede sacrifice. Natalia argues from Biblical equality. Discussion extends to Genghis Khan, alpha/beta framing, and ecclesiastical authority in marriage. Champagne pop when viewer Gerald sends $600.

Biblical submission in marriage

Andrew Wilson cites Ephesians 5:22 on wifely submission. Natalia (married) shares she submitted to her husband before attraction developed; husband grew into the role. Debate on whether submission is prerequisite for male sacrifice. Andrew argues church community/shame mechanisms prevent arbitrary divorce.

Man vs. Bear debate

Viral TikTok/hypothetical question: would you rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear? Most panel chose 'man'. Only Demi (and briefly Andrew) chose 'bear'. Brian argues the choice is social signaling about distrust of men. Andrew presents reframed versions (bathroom, room, 10 men vs 10 bears). Discussion of women's distrust of men, domestic violence stats, correlation of OnlyFans careers with male distrust.

Trust of men, promiscuity, and OnlyFans

Andrew presses Demi on contradiction: wants to be more promiscuous but chose bear over man. Demi argues she only has sex with men in the industry she knows. Discussion of sample size from sex work leading to male distrust. Ali and Demi identified as the two who said 'bear' — both in sex work.

Ratings round

Brian asks panel to rate their own looks 1-10. Self-ratings given: Natalia 6.9, Nicole 7, Demi 10, Ali 5.5, Morgan 7, Brian ~5 (self-stated). Andrew jokingly rated himself 4 in Demi's voice.

Pre-show notes & guest stories

Brian reads pre-show notes. Natalia's drug addiction/psychosis/husband backstory. Nicole's condom cup story (ex cheated in her apartment). Demi's marketable skills discussion. Ali's orgy-meeting-ex backstory. Morgan's child support negotiation. Andrew's book recommendations. Discussion on OnlyFans backup plans if EMP or ban.

Show wrap-up and Sadia Khan story

Brian discloses Sadia Khan (dating coach/psychologist) was originally booked for the episode but cancelled over travel compensation dispute (Uber + hotel from LA). Brian offered a carpool; she declined. He says she was the B-side. Rachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) confirmed as upcoming guest. Twitch raid to 'Grandma' (82yo World of Warcraft player). Body count round at end.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasbriyan to pick a bear for the debate is sweet briyan to pick she'd pick a man wait what what H sweet bran to pick a

Brian Atlasbear pick a bear for the debate okay she'd pick a man okay uh B so uh do you guys would you so a bisexual bear with stts or

MorganGrizzly wait oh the the bear bear though right no he put bear in quotes so that's like a man so you got to tell her to speak into oh you're talking about like the gay men we were talking about earlier

Morganthat are consider yeah you're talking when you say when he said he said bisexual so they're also interested in women that's what he meant by that oh but he's referring to a human not actual okay okay just making sure I'm understanding that correctly all right thank you David would you guys rather be

Andrew Wilsonon the whatever podcast with men you don't know or a [Laughter] bear I want to be on a podcast with a bear that'd be quite interesting you'd

Nickrather be on it with a [Laughter] bear what the hell that was scarier than a bear

Brian Atlasokay okay we have

Natalia TaylorNickelodeon perpetrators of essay 59% were acquaintances 34% were family members and 7% Were Strangers why do you expect saving in expect saving in the

Andrew Wilsoncity but assume that men will join in the assault in the woods yeah we to extrapolate on this he's saying also acquaintances the reason the reason that know this is because that 7% by

Andrew Wilsonstrangers are reported and there's evidence and things like this that's why we're able to get those numbers so firmed up uh whereas these other ones are often anecdotal and things like this so it's uh it's an astute observation

Brian Atlasfrom that chatter all right uh also what happened to the British the British oh I forgot I miss it I miss it um all right guys go

Brian Atlasto twitch.tv whatever drops follow drops a prime sub if you have one twitch.tv/ Whatever drops follow in the prime sub if you have one thank you guys we are going

Brian Atlasto pull up Stiffler really quick Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 start with you and we'll go around the table go ahead my own looks yeah your own looks

Brian Atlason the scale of 1 to 10 6.9

Brian Atlasdon't do that what about you um I think on a good day like eight or n on a bad day ab check thank you for the gifted 20 membership sorry repeat repeat like on a

Nicolegood day like an eight or nine but on a bad day like a three what are you right now we say a seven today okay 10 10 okay

Brian Atlascan you scoot your mic to the edge of the table please yeah seven uh I'm a seven today I say

TTS5.5 78 okay we'll come back to kill of cereal donated $200 women don't want to run into a man currently hiding a body in the woods but

TTSwould only want to be in the woods with a Care Bear got it would you get into a zoo enclosure full of bears or men that's a good yeah that's a good one okay going

Brian Atlasaround the table would you rather get into a zoom closure full of bears or men men men men I assume there would be people there at a zoo so

Brian Atlasmen okay men oh me uh almost always going to be men okay yeah sweet thank you Killa of Serial appreciate it it's a good

Brian Atlasargument um so unfortunately the thing is is that Mo the table's not really leaning very much towards bear to begin with I think these would be much more compelling arguments if there was

Brian Atlasactually a bit more of a majority on the bare side of this uh argument so like the last show we could we can still argue for our Dem so uh yeah um let's

Demi Hawkssee here where were we oh the rating thing so you're you're a 10 yeah I explained this last time you want me to explain yeah what was the explanation on that so because I make my living off my looks as long as I'm making my this is

Demi Hawkskind of how in my mind I relate to my own physical appearance and attractiveness um to enough people I'm a 10 out of 10 that I'm making plenty of

Demi Hawksmoney so you know and beauty is in the that you're 10 out of 10 for them cuz they tell me all the time my fans freaking love me aren't they couldn't they just be

Demi Hawkstrying to flatter you I guess I mean they can be rude to me too I'll still you know do my thing okay but if they were rude to you and didn't send you money

Demi Hawkswell then they'll they'll get blacked then they're not a fan right they're a troll is there anything about your looks that you would change um hang on we didn't even answer

Brian Atlasthe question what what I did answer it oh you didn't answer BR no we I'm just going to I mean we can but I give myself a five go ahead Andrew would I change anything about

Andrew Wilsonmyself okay so well hang on hang on calm down now it's my turn so I'm going to you know what I'll answer this I'm going to try to use your voice to answer this ready I'm ready by everybody how do I

Nickthink that I'm a four huh I think it's great that I'm a four I don't even take shave my arms sounds like Elmo that was good 10 out of 10 impression if you ever

Brian Atlasneed a new job you would be perfect for Disneyland y can can you actually try to like have can you try to speak normally like how's that sound can we hear that um well this is how I speak normally but

Brian Atlaslike try to like adjust your voice so like for example I could go high pitch I could go low pitch so I think up uh lower the pitch a bit uh okay hold on

Demi Hawkslet me kind of like get into it it's really hard for me to talk low I guess this is kind of as low as I can talk and it's it's uncomfortable you can probably hear my voice is like that

Demi Hawkssounds more no this is like not I feel like it just sounds like she's almost Whispering a little bit but sounds the same okay I feel a lot more comfortable a lot more like support behind my voice

Demi Hawksquestion for you uh do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years than you do now um to some people I will be and to

Demi Hawkssome people I won't be I think to myself I will be I think like all things being equal do you think you'll be more physically attractive in 10

Demi Hawksyears to myself possibly yeah I think you know like even with the whole aging thing yeah but I'll be I'll be

Demi Hawks34 aging I mean I'll I'll obviously I'll be a decade older when I'm 44 I'm going to be a hot ass mil it's going to be

Demi Hawksawesome I took some mil okay so you're going to have babies I'll I'll be a mil and [Laughter]

Brian Atlasspirit okay I don't even want it a little delusional little delusional I'll wear that like a bad of okay all right all right well you can't

Brian Atlasfix them all right all right uh did we do go to Twitch did we go to Twitch okay let's get into some of the pre-show notes here we got to get into oh wait actually you

Brian Atlasknow what yeah I'm going to drop it all right guys we're GNA we're getting into the semi chaos section of the show here in just a moment in a few moments not until I

Brian Atlasreally tell you we're going to be lowering the TTS to 69 it's going to be absolute [ __ ] chaos so hold on

Brian Atlasboys um all right it should be boom I'm gonna hide that and then boom all right

Brian Atlasboys if you want TTS has been lowered $69 TTS rest of the show uh any does anybody here have any disagreements with either maybe you've

Brian Atlasseen the show Maybe you've seen Andrew clips from Andrew any disagreements with either Andrew or myself on on any topics you've maybe heard for those of you who've seen the

Aspenshow um I think I've heard you say that um you that abortion you're okay with abortion um you're okay with abortion if uh under the circumstances of someone's

Brian Atlasbeen essayed I don't agree with that I don't even hold on hold on I don't think I've actually even really made that argument I think have I I don't think

Andrew WilsonI've ever even made that argument so so to clarify this point he has granted the argument that even if true for the purpose of moving the

Andrew Wilsonconversation forward because most abortions do not occur as a result of sa almost none of them do in fact um so I've heard Brian Grant the argument but

Andrew WilsonI've never heard him actually state that as one of his positions wait so you want to you you're not in favor of that in the event of an essay no oh okay well

Brian AtlasI'm not really inclined to have an abortion argument right now but I've not I've not actually said that any other disagreements though from anybody you're

Brian Atlaslooking at me like I'm so disagreeable I don't know I haven't watched enough the show I'm sorry I don't know come on Demi

Demi HawksDemi is it Demi or de Demi Demi Demi but you can call me whatever you want

NickGod shut your [ __ ] mouth okay that was interesting what's that what um you do a lot of the you said you've been single for four months

Brian Atlasand this is like the longest period of time you've been single yeah do you think there's any correlation with like you doing all this like the aiga the

Brian Atlashego AO AO a heo yeah to do with my dating life do you want me to do it right now question is

Nickthat oh you don't got to do oh I thought that's what you were telling me to did not the spit thumbnail my mouth gross you're spitting out of your mouth

Natalia Taylor[ __ ] does that have to I can call you whatever you are [ __ ] disg you guys are offended that she just did that but you put it in the thumbnail no I'm not offended I don't give a [ __ ] no I'm

Natalia Tayloroffended I'm so sorry deeply hurt I have a question I have a question why are there two different pictures of me in the thumbnail that look completely different like one of them is when I

Natalia Taylorlike photosho my face like to out of proportion 5 years ago and then one of them is more current I was just confused did someone think they were two different people you photos cuz I wouldn't blame you I wouldn't blame you if you thought it was two different

Brian Atlasgirls I don't even recognize one of them but I've known her like I just wanted to yeah we did a deep dive we did the Deep dive into the Instagram yeah [ __ ] gotta go far down to find the good photos you

Demi Hawksknow what I mean it's a very scary photo of me what the one with the beanie yeah that's a good photo you look cute honestly over photogra it doesn't look like you I got to be honest I'm partial

Brian Atlasto the dark hair I think the dark hair is a good look thanks but we're well as and Confused um you said you had like a glow up right yeah but come on I mean

Brian Atlasyou were always glowed up you're always glowing someone farted Nick Nick just I was posting something in the chat and Nick just WR also wrote someone farted

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TTSinore Britain donated $69 Mena Mana do Mena Mana D do do menaa

Brian Atlasyou know what this is actually a really good quality in a woman a really good quality in a woman a woman who's easily amused great quality great quality to have in a moment okay amused in what way

Natalia Taylorthough cuz like I just thought that was funny I'm not easily impressed I thought like fullblown full-blown laughter over the most like pretty tamear to me it's

Ali Hardestygood your sense of humor maybe it's cuz I was an only child do we do

TTSNicole Never donated $69 first time donating love the podcast Andrew keeping it real nice to see him on the

Andrew Wilsonpodcast I would bow for Brian all day every day hey thank you um ni Nava for supporting whatever we appreciate

Brian Atlasit thank you I like your name Nicole appreciate it uh so really quick actually we're going to I want to maybe let's do the bow ladies would you bow

Brian Atlasfor let me show you the video first then we'll we'll see where you guys are at all right let's uh let's see this this my this is like ideal boom did you

Brian Atlasguys see the [ __ ] technique on that [ __ ] Pi God damn she's well practiced a sock she's got I think it was a shoe and look you know she's she's getting the dirty laundry the dinner is ready I'm

Brian Atlascoming home to my penthouse apartment is this a after after a long day at the podcast I have a she's got my noodles ready I'm not I don't like the tomatoes

Brian AtlasI had to you know I I had a rebuke her for the [ __ ] Tomatoes what are those are those even Tomatoes I don't know one more time look at this bow boom look at

Brian Atlasthe depth holy [ __ ] she's on fire almost a full she is on fire so going around around the table would you bow for your

Brian Atlasboyfriend husband whatever if I lived in a country where bowing was traditionally no no no no no no you're in the uni you're in Alabama okay no you're in the Deep South and your boyfriend who's

Brian Atlasnever even watched anime before he's back you realize that's a sign of respect in Japan to Bow it's also sign of respect in in Tuscaloosa Alabama my dear so here's what's going to happen to

Andrew WilsonTalia but I mean what about what about submission don't you bow your head to God precisely that's a good point now you're in so and aren't you supposed to if you're

Andrew Wilsonsubmitting uh submit unto your husband as you do unto the Lord and do you not bow your head when you pray I guess that's a good point I mean so so then so

Natalia Taylorthen you would bow it doesn't matter to me either way so yeah me bowing doesn't make me feel lesser than my husband if it's a sign of respect hit them with a bow

Natalia Taylorafter is he uh you should you should go listen I curtsy I list can we see cury curtsy right now let me see your Technique let's see this pull that imaginary skirt out oh yeah

Nicoleyeah oh wow you are where she she's going to the middle there it is wow very nice job beautiful uh that was very

Brian Atlasgraceful she actually came in with a ukulele she's gone she's going to do a bow to her husband uh okay what about you would you

Nicolebow to your she's coming back don't worry guys um would you bow If he if it was that meaningful to him yeah but I do think there's other more there's other ways that I could show respect what's can you tell us your boyfriend's name or

Brian Atlasis it kind of all the D yo Will what's up dude you're watching this [ __ ] listen bro you got a submissive girlfriend right here you got to ask her for a bow man you're ask for a bow I'm just saying

Nicoletry give it a chot try it out okay so you would do it like if it was coming from a sincere place and it was that meaningful to him then yeah but I also think that there's other tral ways to show respect various crazy people

TTSdonated $69 I'd call her loud annoying insufferable figure like a 12-year-old boy no one would essay her in the

Demi Hawkswoods mean h thank you various crazy people crazy people

Brian Atlas[Laughter] [Music] sorry Andrew Tate just joined the panel um okay no response Okay cool so uh

Demi Hawkswould you bow um to your I'm going to say something vulgar you wouldn't bow there's only one position I would bow my head

TTSoh that's [ __ ] disgusting just kidding oh David donated

TTS$100 intensive care bear or man in a haunted house or shint oil at paper bear or man in restroom 20 logical fallacies Andrew what's your favorite I meant

Brian Atlassqueakers was nice to Brian I think she like Demi kind of like has a crush on me to be honest a little

Nicolebit I think she secretly wants me oh is the feelings reciprocated no no okay I love you

Brian Atlaslike like you're my Caucasian oh yeah you're my Caucasian I'm cool with that Andrew which is your favorite logical

Andrew Wilsonfallacy uh well I mean you you have to at least make some kind of coherent argument for me to point out a fallacy

Andrew Wilsonhonestly okay or at least something that I can I can understand most of it's just honestly it's just giberish wait Nick there's actually I try to fil I try to filter it through but I'm like that's so

Andrew Wilsonwhat I always try to do I always try to steal man a position so I understand that I I get what you're saying correct before I respond to it but yeah just not much coherency at all so Nick on the

Brian Atlasbooks bookmark bar I think there's actually like something with to do with fallacies do you see it is it no I think it's actually on the

Brian Atlasbookmark Mar bar huh it could be on web check the web one do do you see it the like 20 yeah

Brian Atlaspull it up get excuse me you Joon dude uh it's through you got to do it through uh TTS brother or sorry through streamlabs.com whatever otherwise that it won't come

Brian Atlasthrough as TTS we'll read it though go ahead uh make it bigger um make it bigger yeah that's good uh What what are just

Brian Atlashover over you got the straw man there go start at the top very top you NOP you got a mouse scroll up oh no scroll up

Brian Atlasbut yep okay you got straw man what's the next one you got false CAU next one

Brian Atlasa f now you got the slippery slope ad hom two quot two quot way personal

Brian Atlasincred special pleading I like the wait hold on hold on I have this in the in my memory I think it's the uh fallacy of

Brian Atlasrelative privation what is that that's like there's or it's a appeal to a larger

Brian Atlasproblem so basically well we shouldn't talk about this perceived smaller problem because somewhere else in the world there's starving children in Africa okay so that's like when people

Brian Atlascomment on like but what about Palestine I know that just died but what about Palestine Brian why do you why are we concerned with body count when there's a conflict in the Middle East right now

Brian Atlasthat's that would be I believe fallacy of relative provation had that [ __ ] okay anyways that's a good one would you

Ali Hardestybow I would bark like a dog if he told me to W I'm very submissive I'll do whatever daddy says yes I did it that's

Madisonawesome what you barked for Frankie oh no I I bowed but I don't think he got it you hit him with a bow that's really not that crazy like I don't think he understood like he I would do a lot of

Madisonunspeakable things he B back he thought we were going to play like ninja or something he was confused maybe I should retry it he could have been confused for another reason

Aspenwhat you know like maybe he just never mind okay anyways would you bow yeah I had a hard time with this at first and then I did some thinking about it and I

Aspenwas like oh I I yeah that makes sense and I that's the level of submissive that we should be yeah so if we were like if we were dating it was like third date or whatever I was

Aspenlike can I see a bound would you do it oh God that's so difficult third date third date why are you against it why am I against it I'm I'mma ask on the first

Natalia Taylordate I was being I was being generous I have a genuine question what what what you got I guess like the question would be what is it that you're seeking that the bow gives you is it a just a

Natalia Taylorreminder of submission is it a reminder of respect in that moment is it a ritual that you're relying on because then if it's a ritual that isn't even

Brian Atlasnecessarily like it's done at a half yeah like it's is it meaning yeah I I guess honestly she doesn't even have to hit it she just has to be willing to do

Brian Atlasit like I'm not just like ask like if I'm hanging out with a chick she doesn't have to be hitting that every time we're hanging out she has to be willing to though I think it's Nob brainer yeah I think what she's coming from is kind of

Natalia Taylorlike what you're and it's also mostly the just it's honestly mostly just like trigger the F action of submission an action of respect but I think so many other actions that show that it's so

Natalia Taylorit's like if if my husband were to ask me will you bow I would say okay oh you think all I want is a bow whatever you want but also at all I'm high maintenance I am high maintenance I need

Brian Atlasway more than the bow let's talk she's got to do the laundry she's got to yeah come over first date boom Oh laundry can

Brian Atlasyou fold it for me you know immediately immediate I don't trust her with that okay I'll just do I think a lot of women don't they they have the response against the bow

Natalia Taylorbecause it like there's something in them that feels resistant because they think it's Le making themselves lesser than but honestly like if you if you know your identity and you're truly

Natalia Taylorconfident in if you're confident in yourself and then you know your place like in in a marriage and submission then that that is the the place of

Andrew Wilsonhumbleness is lesser than oh humbleness is to state right that you feel lesser than whatever this thing is which is in front of you that is what humility is

Andrew Wilsonyou don't go to somebody who's great at something and be humble to them because you think you're better than they are right that would abree I disagree completely in what way well then let's uh let's get into it then who do you go

Andrew Wilsonto who is super talented that you have humility towards because you think that you're better than they are don't you think that you're lesser to them in some regard doesn't mean I'm saying that your

TTSlesser is a isn't a like don't equivocate and say Jess loed donated $69 we get it Brian you want a woman to

TTSsubmit to you just become a passport bro already gosh and go to Thailand for the lady boys hold on but that's what I mean that's what humility is if you're if

Brian Atlasyou're being humble in front of God you're on par with god listen up Jessica I'm finding the bow I found the bow the Bow's just fine in the United States okay I'm doing good I'm doing fine okay

Natalia TaylorJesus was a humble man Jesus said the Bible said well Jesus's words are the greatest among you will will be the least of of you so it's like if you really want to be the greatest amongst your peers or amongst your your group

Natalia Tayloryou would be the one to serve them and you lower yourself that is humility that is being humble and it's not me saying I think I'm above my husband because I submit to him I don't lesser than if you're H if you're humble in front of

Andrew WilsonGod is it because you think that you're on par with God could you repeat that if you're humble to God is it because you think you're on par with God or you think you're lesser

Andrew WilsonI'm a Child of God I'm I am seated that's not my question I didn't ask you to redefine it I asked you a specific question the specific question again is you humble yourself in front of God is that because you think you're on par with God or lesser than

Natalia TaylorGod on par what does that mean like at the same level equal equal with God no I don't I don't believe her husband is God so you would be you would consider yourself lesser than God yeah I would

Andrew Wilsonand so you need to have humility right yeah and so back to Ephesians Ephesians says you would have to respect your husband not respect but your

TTShusband unated $69 how to catch a polar bear first you cut a hole in the ice then you grab a can of peas and sprinkle them around the

TTShole when a polar bear bends down to eat the peas you kick him in the ice hole what kind of Looney Tunes nonsense is that I don't think that works but yeah back so back to this um back to

Andrew WilsonEphesians it says submit to your husband as you would submit unto the Lord so if you're submitting unto the Lord and you that that form of submission is I'm lesser than you that's why I'm humble then wouldn't the same thing apply to

Natalia Tayloryour husband her husband isn't God though I I see where what you're trying to say and I think you're putting the husband in

Andrew WilsonGod's position and even though what is unto what is what is submit to him the same way that you would unto the Lord mean to you it means that well I mean I guess

Natalia Tayloreveryone has to Define what they believe submiss submission is submission what does that mean I don't I'm not asking what you think submission is I think I know what you think submission is I'm

Andrew Wilsonasking you what does it mean that you're supposed to submit to your husband as you would on unto the Lord what does that

TTSmean I think that Yovan Valencia donated $69 Christ is King great work Andrew fighting on the front line God bless you and your family to the ladies you should

TTSacknowledge a bit more when points are proven giving other ladies inspiration thank you Javon okay um

Natalia TaylorI think the the answer that I the best answer I can give you because I don't fully understand your question I guess um Ephesians 22 wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands as unto the Lord

Andrew Wilsonif you're telling me that submission unto the Lord and humbleness unto the Lord means that you think you're lesser than him then wouldn't it mean the same thing to your

Andrew Wilsonhusband sure yeah that's the question when you say that you're humble to your husband you are making the admission that you are lesser than that's what humbleness is I'm lesser

Andrew Wilsonthan you in some but lesser than in what way cuz lesser than talking about lesser than as far as your Humanity that does mean less lesser human I'm answering your question hang on let me answer the

Andrew Wilsonquestion I'm not saying that you're lesser than in form of humanity you still have the same kinds of moral givings that you would give to any human being but that doesn't mean you're making the acknowledgement that he is

Andrew Wilsonthe head if he's the head and you're the body then you operate and role lesser than him yeah so I mean lesser than isn't something that I'm a like I'm afraid of I'm not afraid of being lesser

Natalia Taylorthan because I think what you're trying to say is just that like he's the one that makes more decisions operates is the head the leader whatever you want to call it like more than I feel like

Andrew Wilsonthat's just I guess you're just using terminology that's polarizing but yeah not polarizing I'm using terminology which is with within the purview of the Orthodox Church which is the original

Andrew WilsonChurch of Christ when you say lesser than like in what way in value no he said no in many ways in value yes but not in moral value but perhaps material

Andrew Wilsonvalue and also perhaps your role in regards to your children you have a lesser role than your husband and that's why the humility is there the humility is there because you know that he has a greater Duty than you do which is why

Andrew Wilsonyou have the expectation in Christian role he takes the bullet that's why he gets the big piece of chicken and you have to [ __ ] bow that's why right isn't that the whole point

Natalia Taylorabsolutely okay am I I mean am I wrong from your purview are you asking me to be honest I don't know because I

Natalia Taylorhaven't studied that so I can't really speak on that but if that's your if that's your you haven't studied Ephesians in and you're a submissive Christian wife really I haven't studied

Natalia Taylorit and had that Revelation personally so if that's your Revelation that you've gotten from that then that's fine but for for me I don't view myself as lesser

Natalia Taylorthan I guess than my husband because lesser than I I I see wait it needs to be revealed to you yeah if it if it can be revealed to me revealed to you in a

Andrew Wilsonway where I hear it from God and not in a podcast where you know and how do you clarify if it's coming from God or not how do I clarify yeah like for instance

Andrew Wilsonhow do you know it's not Satan talking to you would you would you maybe go to ver discernment if you have the Holy Spirit well wait a second wait a second wouldn't you go to the Bible to make a verification to well I truly believe

Natalia Taylorthat the devil knows the Bible more than we do he knows the Bible he quotes the Bible all the time so to say that the devil wouldn't speak to you through script that that I just it's happened to me before listen I don't disagree that

Andrew Wilsonthat's true but I'm asking you how do you verify these things if you have no ecclesiastical Authority you appeal to and you have the Bible you don't appeal to how do you know that it's God talking to you it usually I just check with my

Natalia Taylorspirit but if it if I have to go even further than that I'll run it by a leader in the church sometimes I'll even ask my pastor if this aligns with scripture cuz I'm still learning I I

Andrew Wilsondon't know what happens if talk what happens if you think that God's talking to you and you go to your pastor and he tells you no The Voice you're hearing is wrong that's not what you should be doing well good you ad to the pastor or

Andrew Wilsondo you hang on let me finish the question I'll let you respond sorry do you adhere to the pastor or do you adhere to your own internalization of whatever this voice is well let me be honest with you I would go to my husband

Natalia Taylorfirst before my pastor so I would go to my husband and I would review this Revelation with him this Revelation I would either get through studying scripture or through through sometimes

Natalia Taylorjust having visions or dreams or things like that things of the spirit but how do you verify that that's that that's God but I well it it it it's like it's

Andrew Wilsonlike saying like how do you know God is real like no it's not like I can't describe I'm asking if you're getting acted $69 would you rather run into the devil

Andrew Wilsonor a bear in the woods yeah we can get back to these I'm sure Brian will read them all off but um I'm I'm sorry I'm not quite ready to let you escape the question um so so tell me how do you my

Andrew Wilsonabity how do you how do you create a verification that this is actually the voice of God how do you know how do I know because it'll bring you peace it won't bring you anxiety well the devil

Nicolecan bring you peace and and uh non- anxiety as well so how do you know how did the how did the people who wrote the Bible know that it was God's words that $400 million question I have

Andrew Wilsonthe answer but before I get into it I'd like to have the answer from her as the question I asked well I just check with my spirit

Natalia Taylorand see if if the Revelation or the words that I'm getting are giving me the feeling of peace and comfort because ultimately that's the feeling that comes from the father everything truth is

Andrew Wilsongoing to ultimately give your spirit peace and but wouldn't that make you the ultimate Arbiter of God's word then because after all he can just give you Revelation and if you checked with your spirit it's verified that way could

Natalia Tayloranybody convince you different aren't you the ultimate Arbiter than of God's word no because my conscience is very personal to me and the conscience is a huge part of this argument because the

Natalia Taylorconscience is you know that is a very individual thing on an individual level so like what the Lord puts on my conscience or convicts me of could be very different from your convictions well then let's put this to the test and

Andrew Wilsonfind out if this is true okay let us assume for a moment that you're you're uh a vote is coming up okay and uh you have one of these revelatory dreams where you feel and you've checked with

Andrew Wilsonyour spirit that God has told you to vote for ex-political candidate and your husband goes to you and he says no you need to vote for this political candidate instead what do you

Andrew Wilsondo um I would listen to my husband over my own dreams so then you're saying then that this Divine re ation that you get you're not actually sure it comes from

Natalia TaylorGod like I said I would check it with my husband if it was trying to call me into some sort of action like making a decision or something like that then yes yeah so I would check it with my

Andrew Wilsonhusband yeah so this is really weird then I don't understand so is your husband the ultimate Arbiter of God's word or is the Revelation which you feel like you've received I've since I've been married yes since I've been married

Natalia Tayloryour husband's the ultimate Arbiter of God's word do you yeah I I guess that's I I haven't even really realized it until now but yes so then what Authority does he appeal

Natalia Taylorto like how do you know your husband's giving you God's word because I just have faith that that he is because you just have faith yeah I just have I just have faith at some point like you just

Natalia Taylorhave to have faith like faith is is what you hope for it's it's what you hope to to be true and Al honestly like it's the reason why our marriage works so well is

Andrew Wilsonbecause like I have so much faith in him and you should look into Orthodoxy it' be good for both of you because this is um that you you I mean you can see how incoherent this is right this is why

Andrew Wilsonprotestantism is an atheist Factory so you say you claim that you have divine revelation but you can't verify it and then you say no I can verify it but just with my husband but how do you know that your husband's giving you actual divine revelation you say because you just have

Natalia Taylorfaith that he does that doesn't seem circular to you and kind of insane just a little bit okay so what made Mak what makes like someone worthy of interpreting God's word then if not me you don't interpret it you just read

Andrew Wilsonwell you you don't well wait a second you don't interpret it right you just said that you have divine revelation have to check with your husband to know if it's true so he's The Interpreter what I'm saying is what is

TTSthe alternative so you're talking about Orthodox the alternative is an ecclesiastical auor donated $69 okay I've purchased the books any

TTSother recomend mendations for $69 a poultry sum I know but perhaps it's enough for a Sci-Fi title sorry for the pause keep cooking sir yeah so I go

Andrew Wilsonfor Ender Game man and you know what go for Ender Shadow that's even better than Enders Game um do Ender Shadow if you want a good Sci-Fi recommendation you can also do um I don't remember what

Andrew Wilsonit's called I think it's called red but it's a it's a really good one too so I don't remember exactly where we were oh yeah we're talking about Revelation how you confirm which Revelation is correct and which one is not correct and I was

Andrew Wilsonjust kind of explaining to you that you should you should try to think of this as a circle in a circular argument so you can know if it's coherent or not but if you say if you make the claim I get divine revelation directly from God but

Andrew Wilsonthe way I verify that I got divine revelation from God Is by checking with my husband then what you've done is put divine revelation to your husband and say that all of your divine revelation comes from him right so how do you verify that that's true that's the

Natalia Taylorquestion I guess yeah that I mean I I don't really know so is are you saying that you need to have like like a system of authority in place with the church is that what you're is that what you're Su

Natalia Tayloranias Authority doesn't make any sense because like if let's just say it was a circumstance where I felt like my husband and I we needed to check you know something that we felt like God was telling us we would run it through our

Natalia Taylorpastor or through our church because we are where does he get his authority the pastors yeah exactly I mean that's like the big question right it's like what that's the question I'm asking

Nicoleyou that keep going you keep going back to the ecclesiastic uh Ecclesiastes submission toal Authority yeah so submission to your husband and she's saying that that's what she does

Nicolebut then you're also saying that that's wrong but you're also pointing towards the argument so I guess ien I haven't even said anything as wrong I just explain there's a circuit argument well you're telling okay well

Andrew Wilsonso shall we move it on yeah we can but I was just saying that it's a circular argument that you should look at um I would I would look into Orthodoxy honestly because you seem bright right like you can see the problem here I'm

Natalia Taylorsure if your husband watches later he'll see the problem too the problem but it's you're not so who who are you suggesting that my husband be submitted to what the church but just the just the Orthodox

Andrew Wilsonchurch so where does the Orthodox Church get their Authority versus a regular nomination Apostolic through Apostolic succession so they can trace the lineage back of all the Bishops to the original Apostles of Jesus Christ and they have

Andrew Wilsonan unchanging unchanging sacramental chain that's how you know and you can verify what is true and what is not there something which doesn't exist in protestantism which was only invented 400 years

Natalia Taylorago well it sounds like you know more about church history than I do but I person I personally disagree with you I personally disagree with you because I think anyone that's received the Holy

Andrew WilsonSpirit can can be a child of God and have the authority to walk well that's that's strange so what happens if two people who claim that they have the Holy

Andrew WilsonSpirit disagree on what scripture says which one should I go with as the Observer whichever feels right to your conscience and you might disagree with me so then so then it's just really the

Andrew Wilsonmajority of people who say X that means that X is true right well don't you don't you take the authority to the Bible to the word of God no because the Bible was the Bible was written by the

Andrew Wilsonchurch Jesus didn't come to give us the Bible he came to give us the church that's what he came to give us and that's what he gave us the church wrote the Bible Jesus followed the Bible also Church wrote the Bible Jesus followed

Andrew Wilsonthe Bible is that so the Old Testament yeah you would quote scriptures no listen they were talking about the new test no Jesus didn't follow the New Testament this was most of the New

AspenTestament is written by Apostles in their letters and the church put all of that together the church yeah the church put the Bible together but you're saying that the church wrote the Bible Well no I didn't say that I said they put it

Andrew Wilsontogether how how is it that you think that they worship before there was a Bible you realize that there were Christians long before there was a Bible right yeah yeah yeah so so what did they do well well they had a system in place

Brian Atlaswhere they would go to the the temple and offer their sacrifices and go to the priests I do have to move it along folks I do have to move it along um going back

Andrew Wilsonto thanks for your tidbit but I disagree with you completely yeah I know but you would would put to the question as to what happens if two if two of these people disagree and they're both filled with the Holy Spirit which one do we go

Andrew Wilsonwith you just say whatever the majority of people think that's not really that I mean that's literally an argument at popul an appealed majority that's not what she said boom I guess it's up to interpretation at that point uh I do want to just

Brian Atlasrespond to some of the messages here I do need to retrigger one since we kind of overlooked it to Gerald just Gerald you're asking for book recommendations I must certainly co-sign Andrew's

Andrew Wilsonrecommendation of Ender Game did you also recommend was it Ender Shadow too Ender Shadow is actually quite quite good it's better from the perspective of

Brian Atlasbeing instead of end yes being I'd also like you you should continue though on the Enders game so I believe there's uh after that there's

Brian Atlasxenocide speaker of the wait speaker of the Dead speaker of the dead children of the mind if I recall I read these 10 20 years ago

Brian Atlasabsolutely they were just as good then fantastic recommendation from uh Andrew I think the film adaptation of endre game that was an absolute

Andrew Wilsoncatastrophe total catastrophe um but Enders Game fantastic book uh you could also consider a wizard of Earth seed it's not bad yeah look at the other one I've been reading lately

Andrew Wilsonuh the Red Rising series I would take a look at that it's quite good it was recommended to me by a chatter named peacecraft and uh he he didn't steer me wrong it's an excellent it's an excellent book series uh in the Sci-Fi

TTSgenre then we had this one killer of cereal donated $69 would you rather run into the devil or a bear in the woods so we'll ask him

Ali Hardestyuh which one the devil really why oh what wait what cuz you're not afraid cuz

Ali Hardestyyou're Sav i' beat his ass oh oh okay uh okay the devil I

Demi Hawksguess you'd rather run into the devil I am the devil oh my gosh do not even say that did you just say that you are the I meant that in a jokey way

Ali Hardestysorry I don't mean to offend H does the devil wear Prada the devil does yes he does maybe the devil for the

Morganplot but otherwise the bear I'm going to go with bear excuse me okay on this one I too I'm going to go

Natalia Taylorwith Bear all right cool cool cool and then we do have this one Natalia can I have you read this thank you thank you Christ is King great work Andrew for fighting on the front line God bless

Natalia Taylorbless you and your family to the ladies you should acknowledge a bit more when points are proven giving other ladies inspiration to be strong against this crazy world we read that one I think so

Brian Atlasas a TTS oh he also sent it as a TTS okay all right thank you Jo appreciate that appreciate it let's get to some of the pre-show notes Here got some pre-show notes we got to get through yeah really quick guys go to twitch.tv/

Brian Atlaswhatever drop us a follow drop us primes Hub if you have one twitch.tv/ whatever actually really quick on the bullet thing last thing on the bullet

TTSthing right oh God okay what's crazy to me is yall want oh up aquatic donated $69 why do you post on on Lans if you're

TTSscared of being sa by men what wouldn't you more likely to be sa to random men that pay for your content that's online wanting to have sex with you fantastic

Demi Hawksquestion fantastic question why do I have a risky job essentially I mean so many people have risky jobs uh I think yeah but

Andrew Wilsonthat's like me saying I'm terrified of falling off of a building and then getting a job as a person who cleans windows on a skyscraper right the question the question is is like if you're really that concerned about it

Ali Hardestywhy would you enter into a job in a field where the risk exponentially becomes higher I think I was already being sexualized against my will for free so now I'm just monetizing it yeah

Andrew Wilsonbut that that actually makes no sense either because if you say do men random men were sexualizing me and I wasn't charging them I can agree that that could be true it's like taking back

Andrew Wilsonpower but the men are you're not poignantly giving those men a target of uh of you specifically just by you like existing it's true that maybe random men could still look at you and sexualize

Andrew Wilsonyou in some way I guess but you're not giving them a pointed Target like your only fans or something like this which would bring the worst the worst to you people were literally uploading my YouTube videos to Pornhub and they had millions of views so and like they were

Ali Hardestyputting what were your YouTube videos about it I was sponsored by zaul and I was trying on bikinis but they were just clipping the parts where I tried sex same sh sexualization but they were uploading moaning of other people in the background and had over a million views

Ali HardestyI had to get taken down I was like 20 years old so this is before I had an only fans things like that were were happening constantly yeah but it's the same concept deep F of my Instagram photos nudes that same concept same it's

Andrew Wilsonthe same concept applied across the boarding content which is hypersexualizing of yourself of course that's going to attract that graphic of

Andrew Wilsoncourse yeah I'm just saying it was happening anyways well the no it no no that's [ __ ] it wasn't happening anyways what was happening is you were releasing content which highly

Andrew Wilsonsexualized yourself and was bringing bringing that crowd in there it wasn't happen you weren't like walking down the street and being targeted um you know in a in a a sexual way by random strangers who were

Andrew Wilsontargeting you that's that's insane right you were you were putting out sexual content of yourself here at this table has posted a bikini pick oh

Andrew Wilsonyeah okay so we're all asking for it cuz we put sexualized cont that's able to be sexualized you say asking when you say asking for

Andrew Wilsonhang on I'll answer your question let me just clarification when you say when you say asking for it do you mean asking for negative male attention

Nickyes oh so women women cannot exist wom so women who put on a bikini and then go online and say look at me look at me what they mean is [ __ ] look at me

Andrew Wilsonthat's what they mean you're not assault me God damn no I didn't say assault you but how stupid can you be that you're going to put out sexualized content of yourself and say but but don't look at me don't

Andrew Wilsonsexualize I'm not putting out sexualized content and saying don't sexualize me yeah but that's my whole point is that that's going to draw in that crowd of men if you sexualize yourself put that content out there whereas ordinarily

Andrew Wilsonwomen do not have to deal with that if they're not doing that there's in other words women who have Instagrams full of them with sundresses and they don't have any type of sexually provocative content out there not going to be targeted by those same types of men you can see at

Ali Hardestyleast not with the same how many your Instagram photos and even photos where you're wearing a sundress to get saved and we all know what they're doing with those photos right yeah maybe maybe so but the additional frequency is not

Andrew Wilsongoing to be there like it would with people who are sexually provocative how could they be how could they you don't you don't

Andrew Wilsonhear these stories from other women who have these clean Instagrams that Creos are just targeting them non-stop you just don't hear them you hear them from Mostly only fans and women who release sexually provocative photos of themselves that's where you hear it the

Ali Hardestymost I mean fish I hear what you're saying but I don't really think any Moving On Moving On Let's get into some of the pre-show notes Here we have I'm sorry

Brian AtlasNoir horrible Noir wait that's your name right who's who's Noir W no oh that's her Instagram that's your Instagram that's what I have you here okay you said craziest being your first

Morganrelationship um won't mention that but he was a drug dealer who's gang affiliated yes wait is that the one who you Alpha widowed no no

Morganno okay but you you were dating a drug dealer who was yes was it the Italian mafia which which gang I don't know if I

Morganshould say that but um I was 16 and he was 20 and

Morganthat ultimately led me down a not so great path cuz I was basically had a

Andrew Wilsonfree supply of what he was dealing what was he dealing drugs hard stuff no no really drugs I didn't know what kind of

Aspendrugs specifically um I'll say opioids oh heroin okay yeah heroin was it she trying not

Morganshe's trying not to share no this is a safe space Oh yeah yes yes and then uh my family ended up my family ended up getting a restraining order

Brian Atlasagainst him so oh [ __ ] yeah sorry you had to Dam no no I mean I'm not like hurt by by it or anything but it was

Brian Atlaslike okay that sus all right uh you you wanted to hit on uh the career-based topic that gets brought up on why women

Brian Atlaswho oh okay and we'll skip that one oh actually well you maybe really quick so you're saying how uh women who do

Brian Atlasspecifically who specifically do sex work not finding their career red flag but they find men who are police officers military or in politics that type of a career is a red flag to them

Morganyou want talk did you want to talk more on that I mean I don't know if there's really too much to talk on that it was just I had noticed on a few of your podcasts previously that had got brought up and that women would say that they

Morgandidn't view their job as a red flag but then you would kind of counteract that with asking if they would date those type of men and they said no because they found it to be a red flag and I

Andrew Wilsonjust find that fairly hypocritical H okay now you also wait um I'm sorry can you say say that again I just want to make sure I got it correct

Morganhere on my notes which part uh so which part did you find hypocritical basically just the fact that they think what they do wouldn't be considered a red flag to a man wanting

Morganto how do I word it like that they don't that they think they don't think their job is a red flag and that they basically don't understand why men would

Morganfind it a red flag but yet they think that men in those jobs are a red flag I find that hypocritical I see okay you also um mentioned anytime you've attempted to

Nicoleuse dating apps in the past it's been a horrible weird experience one guy asked me to wax his back the first day maybe he just needed help and didn't have

Morgananyone else to go to I can't read it so tell us the back waxing story first um okay I mean also there's not too too

Morganmuch to Deep dive into that one basically met him on Tinder and we planned a like we were it was basically a barbecue at his house with like his roommates and stuff and that was fine

Morganand then he asked me if I would be willing to wax and pluck his back pluck did you do it I did do it that's the biggest how hairy was he

Brian Atlaswas he a bear that's a ride or die BR like I give you props for that first date she's already in the did you hang out with him again wait you waxed I waed and plucked

Morganit and was that the deal breaker or was there other [ __ ] no um ultimately he really just wasn't my type he's kind of a meathead uh oh so he's like he was jacked yeah he was he

Demi Hawkswas like one of those like no neckers oh he was a no Necker once you go no neck you never go you you know when they're so buff like they barely have a neck it's their like trap muscles like get

Brian Atlaslike really big and they kind of like connect just a head coming out of the Torso yeah so okay um it's pretty r or die though I mean she's [ __ ] first day she's going if like if

Brian Atlaseverything else was chill but the only like kind of odd thing was he wanted you to wax and pluck like it would have it would have been on right possibly like that wasn't the deal breaker no that was not the deal I just found it really

Morganweird to ask somebody that on a first date She's Got Confidence did y' all uh after the wax no no no there wasn't any

Brian Atlasno before the wa no not at all ever that okay okay all right uh that's interesting did you uh was it like that scene in The 40-Year-Old Virgin where he's laid out on a table and like or is

Morganhe like he was a pro no he was standing up and like he took that [ __ ] like a man we just I started with the like the waxing strips you know that you like put on did that and then the little stray

Brian Atlasways that I didn't get I plucked out beautiful ladies would you you know you meet a new guy you like him he's he's good would you do a little plucking waxing for him

Morganfirst sure why not if I liked him maybe not a random gu Tinder but I would wax his eyebrows I'm also a little weird with stuff like that though because I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily do what I'm about to say on a first date but like when I've dated guys if they

Morganever have like pimples and stuff like that I love to pop them interesting I dated a girl who had trick was his name Wes by chance what H honestly I don't even remember what his

Morganname was this was a while ago and I never I wasn't very have it on dating apps ever I would like randomly like hop on and i' be like yeah this this is why I'm not on gotta okay thank you good

Brian Atlastimes uh okay and then you also said you dated a guy who was batchet crazy he started emailing you when you blocked him and then showed up at your work yes but I mean we weren't dating either he

Morganwas this like he went on one date yeah we went on one date um and the date was actually pretty good but I wasn't like

Morganreally sure if I saw any potential there and he kept blowing me up like nonstop and I tried to as nicely as I could be like you are kind of doing too much and

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