Man vs. Bear DEBATE! Andrew Wilson! Genghis Khan BETA MALE? E-GIRLS! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #158

Date: 2024-05-06

Duration: 6h 49m

Guests

Brian Atlas

NNatalia Taylor >

AAli Hardesty >

MMadison (DT164)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_03Natalia Taylor(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ali Hardesty(guest)

SPEAKER_05Nicole(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Demi Hawks(guest)

SPEAKER_12Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_13Aspen(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian Atlas opens show intro

“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape”

OtherNatalia Taylor introduces herself as a traditional model

“hi I'm Natalia Taylor I'm 27 I'm from the Coachella Valley and I'm a traditional model and a cashier at a gift shop”

OtherDemi Hawks introduces herself as a porn star (returning guest)

“uh I'm Demi Hawks I'm 24 and I live in Los Angeles and I'm a porn star welcome back”

OtherMorgan reveals she quit OnlyFans after encountering the Whatever podcast

“I will say your podcast did help solidify that decision... I was already like getting out of it but after coming into contact with the podcast it definitely solidified”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues pornography is semantically identical to prostitution

“if you make the claim that people who have sexual intercourse for money are prostitutes and you're having sexual intercourse for money this would make you a what — that would make me a prostitute”

ControversyBrian states he would not take a bullet for a girlfriend or wife

“I would not be willing in that scenario to take a bullet for her I would not die for my girlfriend or wife”

ControversyAndrew Wilson cites Ephesians 5:22 on wifely submission to justify Brian's position

“wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands as unto the Lord for the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church”

OtherNatalia shares she submitted to her husband before attraction developed — heard God's voice

“I heard God tell me this is your husband submit to him... I knew that the way that he appeared during that time wasn't how he would always be and that he would grow into the man that he was meant to be”

OtherMan vs Bear debate introduced — would you rather be stuck in the woods with a man or a bear?

“the question is would you rather be stuck in the woods with a man or a bear”

ControversyDemi explains bears are more predictable than unknown men; Andrew challenges her promiscuity contradiction

“a man that I don't know could be very unpredictable and a bear like it can be unpredictable but if you leave Bears alone they will more likely leave you”

OtherRatings round begins — Brian asks panel to rate own looks 1-10

“Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 start with you”

OtherNatalia discloses drug addiction, psychosis, and husband's drug dealing backstory

“I was addicted to weed cocaine Molly um and hallucinogens... I went into a full-blown psychosis for over a year”

OtherNicole's condom cup story — ex cheated in her apartment

“I go back into my room my bed and there's a cup with a condom wrapper inside of it”

ControversyAndrew Wilson's debate-book recommendations after Gerald's $600 super chat

“Story of Philosophy by Will Durant... A World Without Men by Aaron Clarey... Dogmatic Theology by Losskey... Terry Goodkind fiction... Lord of the Rings”

OtherBrian reveals Sadia Khan cancelled appearance over travel compensation dispute

“she was supposed to be the guest on the show today... the big crux of it was she was already planning to be in LA we're 2 hours north she wanted to get us to pay for an Uber there and back and then hotel”

OtherEnd-of-show body count round: Demi 100+, Ali 100-200, Natalia under 10, Aspen under 10, Morgan teens, Madison ~2-3

“lost count forever ago in the hundreds no like over 100 that's the number for the day boys and girls”

Topics Discussed

Intro & 1M Clips Channel Plaque Unboxing

Brian opens the show with announcements and unboxes YouTube 1M subscriber plaque for the Whatever Clips channel.

Guest introductions

All guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Includes brief discussion of traditional vs. OnlyFans modeling, Demi's porn career, Morgan quitting OnlyFans after the show, Natalia's YouTube channel, Andrew Wilson's Crucible channel and Miami beef with Wes Watson.

Relationship statuses

Each guest describes current relationship status. Demi discusses building first-ever roster. Ali describes meeting ex at a foursome. Natalia describes meeting husband during recovery. Nicole describes meeting current boyfriend Will (ex's former best friend). Demi's pornography vs. prostitution semantics debate with Andrew Wilson.

Should a man take a bullet for a woman?

Brian states he would not take a bullet for a girlfriend or wife, but would for his children. Panel goes around the table. Andrew Wilson debates from Eastern Orthodox ethics: submission must precede sacrifice. Natalia argues from Biblical equality. Discussion extends to Genghis Khan, alpha/beta framing, and ecclesiastical authority in marriage. Champagne pop when viewer Gerald sends $600.

Biblical submission in marriage

Andrew Wilson cites Ephesians 5:22 on wifely submission. Natalia (married) shares she submitted to her husband before attraction developed; husband grew into the role. Debate on whether submission is prerequisite for male sacrifice. Andrew argues church community/shame mechanisms prevent arbitrary divorce.

Man vs. Bear debate

Viral TikTok/hypothetical question: would you rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear? Most panel chose 'man'. Only Demi (and briefly Andrew) chose 'bear'. Brian argues the choice is social signaling about distrust of men. Andrew presents reframed versions (bathroom, room, 10 men vs 10 bears). Discussion of women's distrust of men, domestic violence stats, correlation of OnlyFans careers with male distrust.

Trust of men, promiscuity, and OnlyFans

Andrew presses Demi on contradiction: wants to be more promiscuous but chose bear over man. Demi argues she only has sex with men in the industry she knows. Discussion of sample size from sex work leading to male distrust. Ali and Demi identified as the two who said 'bear' — both in sex work.

Ratings round

Brian asks panel to rate their own looks 1-10. Self-ratings given: Natalia 6.9, Nicole 7, Demi 10, Ali 5.5, Morgan 7, Brian ~5 (self-stated). Andrew jokingly rated himself 4 in Demi's voice.

Pre-show notes & guest stories

Brian reads pre-show notes. Natalia's drug addiction/psychosis/husband backstory. Nicole's condom cup story (ex cheated in her apartment). Demi's marketable skills discussion. Ali's orgy-meeting-ex backstory. Morgan's child support negotiation. Andrew's book recommendations. Discussion on OnlyFans backup plans if EMP or ban.

Show wrap-up and Sadia Khan story

Brian discloses Sadia Khan (dating coach/psychologist) was originally booked for the episode but cancelled over travel compensation dispute (Uber + hotel from LA). Brian offered a carpool; she declined. He says she was the B-side. Rachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) confirmed as upcoming guest. Twitch raid to 'Grandma' (82yo World of Warcraft player). Body count round at end.

Transcript

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Ali Hardestyone of the one of the less aggressive species it's a Umar it's a black bear okay I just feel like if it was a man maybe they had a cell phone I could call

Andrew Wilsonfor hell you know what I mean no he has nothing he has nothing you have nothing right but I understand the AR you're kind of naked and alone in the wilderness the man hot do unspeakable

Ali Hardestythings that I bear wouldn't be capable does the man have a does the man have a what's this man look like what if he's cute like what if I like you know you don't know maybe the man should be afraid to be in the I think I'm going to choose

Ali Hardestyman okay did you answer I don't think you really answered me yeah um let's say he's not hot you're an ugly man and you don't know him okay um I feel like I could outrun a man but

Ali Hardestynot a bear probably neither probably I couldn't outrun either of them but I I know the argument where people are like oh well people would believe me if I was attacked by a bear but not a man I think

Andrew Wilsonit would actually be better before he asked a question to show the video Brian yeah yeah I agree I don't oh there's a video I don't think there's a video yeah this was all based on a viral video what was the are you talking about the one where it's like that shows the

Morganpicture of the bear and then the next slide's like Chris wats and then shows the bear and the next one's like uh yeah well this the reason that all this happened women were asked this question on the

Andrew Wilsonstreet as to whether or not they would rather be secluded with a bear or a man if they were in the middle of a forest now obviously this assumes that you don't have you know Advanced Ninjutsu skills like you may have perhaps you're

Andrew Wilsona Jiu-Jitsu expert there have been many Jiu-Jitsu female experts on the panels here who break everybody's legs but assuming that you're not one of those and you're not armed to the teeth um

Andrew Wilsonthat's that's what the question is uh is pushing towards

Morgandid you answer I thought I answered already oh did you you kind of like reframe the question okay so what what is your reframing I thought you were talking about a specific video You're explaining it to Brian I can pull up the

Brian Atlasvideo I think I found the video I never saw it but I think I found it's a viral it's a double viral TI well no matter what my answer stays man Nick it's uh private check very

Nicoleconfident oh freak I don't know if we're going to get much push back on this one but okay to the argument that like at least someone would believe me if I was attacked by a bear if you your odds of survival of

Nicolebeing attacked by a man are a lot higher so I don't care who believes me or who doesn't I'm just trying to survive I could probably survive a man me and my sister got in a pretty big debate about this the other day and I had made the

Morgancomment I was like we even if hypothetically I knew he was like a bad man and I think you can put together what I mean by that by the video I explained um I still feel like I would have a

Nicoleslightly better chance it's only one Nick that's a SL chance fighting off a man than a bear it bad man I would go for the bear because I still would if it was Ted Bundy or Chris W like thing is

Demi Hawkslike a man could like stalk you through the woods whereas like a bear is not going to do that like I would maybe change my answer if it was like a hungry

Demi Hawksstarving stalk their pre that's what I'm saying literally mountain lion or I have question like for the most part they're going to leave a human being

Demi Hawksalone unless they're starving or they that YouTube the YouTube thing are we going to watch someone get

Andrew Wilsonattacked by a YouTube ODS not that yeah the W the bear before that's a fair hang on calm down there's too much woman prattle at one time just one one at a

Brian Atlastime you got it Nick you want the yeah yeah yeah no we're watch bear attacks woman and then start scrolling down

MadisonNick I don't know a bunch of women just got [ __ ] up by some bears what's going on in those I don't know they're just all [ __ ] up the Bears just [ __ ] them up anyways all the videos are like a majority of it is one person too they

Brian Atlasgot [ __ ] up by bears how that shows how low the Bears there's like three or four three or four women okay well wait so I have a question cuz you don't encounter Bears all the time so you chose the Bear right

Natalia Tayloryou were the only one at the table that chose the bear who chose bear just me I wasn't sure I don't know I'm on the fence I think I'd be more scared of the man I'm not going to lie do you think that the probability okay cuz we're assuming that like Pro for probability

Natalia Taylorsake you're not willing to risk the probability that the man you're stuck with is a bad man that could hurt you so cuz why is he in the jungle alone that's my question you guys irrelevant a little weird no but but basically what I'm

Natalia Taylortrying to say is you're assuming that if you're stuck with a he's more likely probability wise to be bad than good to help you there alone I wouldn't say like

Demi Hawksthere's a higher probability he's bad but if he is bad there is a a higher probability that he could Ted Bundy me I don't know he could do unspeakable

Demi Hawksthings a bear would not be capable of doing yeah if I did unable things would a bear not be capable the Tik Tok one um a bear wouldn't kidnap you a bear

Demi Hawkswouldn't like assault you like eat your face right you would yeah you would be dead you could die from either but [ __ ] sorry shit's all [ __ ] is that happening to you that's why

Brian AtlasI can't yeah for some reason it's not working that's why I was up like three times okay don't even click that link it's absolutely [ __ ] my computer um it was a virus oh

Madisonno um is that the bear segment a lot of the girls on social media that do answer bear and like come out and explain themselves also are just

Nicolea specific category of girls who've just had bad experien with men so it's like that's I think that's fair I mean if you ask me if I'm comfortable if I would feel like really safe if I was sitting in a room with a bunch of men that I

Nicoledidn't know I probably would feel a little bit uncomfortable like if we going to go down that road then I could argue for that point would you feel more uncomfortable than if you were in a room full of bears no that's why I answered

Brian Atlasman but I mean if we're trying to go down like who says bear I cuz I'm going to give you some Alternatives who says bear give me some Al just you that's it okay great terrible that there's only one bear

Morgananswer at the table I kind of agree with her yeah she kind of said am I bring for argument s both Bears okay so I have I'm going to give a couple different Alternatives let me try to get

Ali Hardestythrough all of them but what okay let's change it up what about a giant lesbian woman who's a professional MMA fighter or a bear the heck I mean the giant lesbian who's at MMA figh yeah you would

Brian AtlasI don't have that same fear of women at all doesn't matter if they're a lesbian isn't isn't one of the fears she is not afraid of lesbians one of the arguments I hear on

Brian Atlasthis one is that well the guy could essay you so I was like okay well what about it does it change anything if the man is homosexual if he's gay does that

Demi Hawkschange your answer at all how do I know though it's like a strange man I don't know that's the thing it's the not knowing no but you know he's a man but I don't know that he's gay or not like how would I know he's he's listening to

Demi Hawksfucking's wearing a rainbow tutu he's listening to share he's listening to [ __ ] share oh then I would have a share party in the woods with this man that sounds fun he would be no help just so scream and run away mad is about to

Brian Atlashappen you can hear through his iPads like it's like he's listening to that like I'm your Venus I'm your fire your desire like that's how you know he's

Madisongay just walking around you knew that song you hold on mic drop sus

TTSsus grid One Motorsports doned $200 the better cue is if a man would rather meet a woman or a bear in the woods the bear will simply kill and eat

TTSyou a woman will be pit and nag a man to death men if you see a woman in the woods run I got some more isn't that the thing though completely okay I got some more I

Nicolegot some more you I once witnessed a man be nagged to death before and it was not pretty actually I got to send something to Nick really quick before I ask this

Brian Atlasnext alternative if you can try to get that pulled up quick uh so what if it's a so so you're you'd prefer the gay man over the bear do I did you guys answer that gay man listen in to music yeah

Brian Atlasthat sounds like a good time yeah let's have a party okay what if it's so uh so the gay man he has an iPad does he have service hold on I'm just thinking how to

Brian Atlasget out what if it's a gay man who who is a bear or a bear you know like there's a there's like the gay gay

Madisonnotifies as a bear I I know what you mean wait I don't I don't do you know seuality a gay man that is it's not clicking just go back to the

Brian Atlasprivate chat please it's a gay look do you see what's happening you got to copy and paste the whole thing whole thing whole thing um okay so okay oh we going to

Brian Atlaslearn about bears gay bear like a Care Bear the the so the in gay culture bear is a term for men who are larts scroll down a bit Nick oh kind

Brian Atlasof like the opposite of a wait there's a better photo scroll down do we know what twink are like that's a bear oh my God I can't believe I'm looking this [ __ ] up gay yeah they're gay but so they just

Brian Atlascall themselves Bears okay how about this uh for you two uh a transom or a bear uh transwoman anything but a man

Demi Hawksyeah and then Honestly though like anytime you're in the woods like the likelihood that you're in the woods with a bear and you just have no idea is very high what about a transom or or a man

Brian Atlasthe trans woman a woman still still okay cuz there transom or a bear what about a Serial Killer Woman versus random man okay random man random man aen serial

Demi Hawkskiller finally got him okay what about lesbian serial killer versus random man okay we're going to pick that that already falls into serial killer yeah female serial killer lesbian or not no

Demi Hawksthank you what about a man who is dressed as a bear like a furry or a bear how realistic is this furry bear C is it like furry style or is it like real bear

Nicolestyle like he's wearing a furry bear does the man kind of fair first it like that's a mentally old man he's a other kinan he's other kinan

Demi Hawkshe yes he's another kin okay so he's mentally ill so see here's the thing with the bear costume is like that sounds like it would keep me warm in the night how about this though here's another alternative other alternative 10

Ali Hardestymen or 10 Bears where in the woods or oh that sounds like a recipe for disaster yeah Bears still bears bears even though there there would be enough good men in that group I think I would rather get

Brian Atlaseaten by a bear than what would happen in that scenario I'd rather be eaten by a bear on so 10 10 men or 10 Bears so you'd still prefer the Bears what about you Bears so what percentage of those 10

Demi Hawksmen do you think would cuz assum I'm assuming they're victim thing if there's one bad man then it stands for reason that the men he hangs out with and his friends they're not let's say probably let's say they're all strangers they're

Brian Atlaslike it ain't fun if the homies can't have you know what I mean what going on a hpe in the woods so what percentage of men do you think okay so there's 10 men or 10 Bears you still pick the 10 Bears

Demi Hawkswhat percentage of the 10 men are bad men then it just takes one if one of them let say they all going to protect you will they because let's say you're all in the uh the same region

Demi Hawksoften do men stand around and watch their friend or their buddy or some random man do some [ __ ] [ __ ] and not intervene I will say though I think it's actually Bri so you said that you

Demi Hawkswouldn't intervene are you saying you're not a good man because you wouldn't take a bullet for a woman from a bad man in the woods hold on hold on the [ __ ] that's a good point that's a good point that's if I if I was with

Demi Hawksokay if there was one man you wouldn't be willing yeah you wouldn't be willing to step in risk your life to step in so are you a bad man if you wouldn't do it for your wife I think a man's

Brian Atlasunwillingness to potentially intervene in a scenario where he could face uh he but you have eight other buddies oh well [ __ ] up 10 men and there's one bad man if there's yeah you

Nicoleokay if there's nine of us but if you're all hanging out if one man's a bad man two men in the woods you were one of them and the other one was like attacking her would you yeah then what I

Brian Atlaswould have to [ __ ] assess the threat there I would attempt to inter as you would as as you make intent would be to help I I think I would attempt I think I would attempt an interven thought that

Brian Atlascounts as I'm getting like Maul by the bear maybe not totally sure Bri help me like here's I'm GNA be super honest I'm

Brian Atlasgonna be super honest okay if if he's like 300 lb and like 6'5 and if I attempt to intervene I'm going to die

Nicolebut also she's a random woman a random woman so yeah and she's random exact not your wife yeah I'm out I'm out I'm out but what if he's like what if the 300 lb is just like all fat and he's just like

Brian Atlasrunning sit on basically a bare gay man would be the same equivalent of what used to be a I can't say that word but a yep that thing

Brian Atlasyep like a I don't know okay hold on so okay really 10 men that's crazy because that means you think that more than like 50% of men would like do some shady [ __ ] to you well I do think it's interesting

Andrew Wilsonthat we're the only two that do only fans and we feel this way I just have to say I don't know what I mean by that but it's just an interesting I used to oh I know I agree that is interesting

Andrew Wilsoninteret tell time when oh I'm so sorry Andrew I'm sorry what did you say yeah so I was saying tell us more about how

Ali Hardestyyou distrust of men comes from the sex industry I'd like to hear more about that I'm not saying it does but I do think there's a correlation probably we could both admit that we're terrified because I think it's just interesting

Demi Hawkswe're the only two that answered this I think I've probably seen and met and been intimate with more men than anybody at this table so is that like a badge of honor

Demi Hawksyeah honestly like thank you it is um but do you get like a I would just say I have a much larger I have a larger sample size to be drawing my information

Demi Hawksfrom but your samp larg sample size of degenerate men watch that's true and that's true it is a very different sample size however a random man I don't know and I don't know like what pool of samples or whatever the [ __ ] we're

TTSsaying like you know what kind of man he is if it's a it's a strange man I think that donated $199

TTSand is it just me or does Andrew look younger for some reason LOL thoughtful face I don't have the Gray beard that I normally have that's probably why you

Andrew Wilsonthink that but anyway appreciate the uh the 200 uh but kind of back to the conversation so the it's interesting it is interesting to me that you draw this

Andrew Wilsonparallel that the two only fans girls are who are engaged in in sex work will be as charitable to your uh language as

Andrew Wilsonwe possibly can be I guess have a Hu such a huge distrust of men that they would rather perhaps be in the wilderness with bears than women who

Demi Hawksdeal with I don't know non- degenerate porn addict men right yeah God what's that say about the degenerate porn addict men I think it says more about what do say about the women who engage

Demi Hawkswith the degenerate porn addict Men You're yeah because you're the one that's sleeping with them okay well have you met a degenerate man in your life yeah like I think everybody at this

Andrew Wilsontable probably has I also am not sleeping with them but the point here is is that how can you in the same breath say hey there's nothing wrong with this this is just um it's just a job but at

Andrew Wilsonthe same time the pool of men that you choose from have made you so distrustful of men that you might choose a bear potentially eating your face rather than trust a man because of the type of man

Ali Hardestyyou end up having to deal with isn't that kind of an insane uh perspective on life a little bit yes also it's like what came first the chicken or the egg I can't speak for you but I feel like

Ali Hardestymaybe bad experiences led me to get into sex work that I had with men prior to being a sex work no I'm not saying that version of accountability oh no I take full accountability I make my own

Ali Hardestychoices I suffer the consequences of my own how was it men how was it men accountability and like the reason the reasoning behind something is a little bit different I'm just saying like previous to doing only fans I had

Demi Hawkscertain experiences in life that maybe got me into that line of work I take accountability and I take responsibility by not going into the woods with strange men that I don't know and

Andrew Wilsonnotation a one night stand no have you ever met a guy and shortly thereafter I don't well hang on I don't understand I just if you don't mind if I interject earlier and I took a note on this you

Andrew Wilsonsaid that you want to be more promiscuous with men how is it that you can hold the position that you would prefer to be more promis promiscuous with men but at the same time not trust them over a [ __ ] Savage bear in the

Demi Hawkswilderness I I don't want to be I don't want to be promiscuous with random men that I don't know I want to be promiscuous with the guys that I already know and I already [ __ ] like I'm not

Andrew Wilsontrying to put myself in an unsafe uh situation just to get off but I am trying to get off but wait a second this would so so you're saying that you're only promiscuous with men that you know

Demi Hawksa really long time a really long time but I don't I definitely don't go home with strange men um that's just not something I hang on hang on can you

Demi Hawksanswer the question I actually asked you so the men I and as you know because last time I was on the podcast I explained this I only have sex with men in the industry who are in the talent pool you should that's not my question

Andrew Wilsonwhat can let me repeat the question one more time are you saying that you only sleep with men who you've known for a really long time what's a really long time oh I don't I don't know uh let's

Andrew Wilsonjust say more than 30 days for me yes no you know it's not even a 30day gap before you sleep with him and you're hang on and and your about is that hang on I just want to

Andrew Wilsonmake sure I get this right you don't even have a 30day barrier before you sleep with men that's the level of promiscuity you're talking about but yet you're saying I'm so distrustful of men

Andrew Wilsonthat I'd rather potentially hang out with a wild [ __ ] bear than thinking that they will be less likely to attack me you see how this rationale doesn't make much sense to me

Demi Hawksright I'll pull that back up in a sec Nickelodeon okay so I sorry I like lost my Chain of Thought a little bit there we supposed to read it um I'm in a very

Demi Hawksunique situation being in the porn industry most of the men that I meet I have sex with I met on a porn set having sex with them in a very controlled environment with like lots of other

Andrew Wilsonpeople around more promiscuous mean does that mean that you just want to [ __ ] more people in the porn industry or does that mean that you want to have sex with you know people external to that as well just people in the porn industry I don't

Andrew Wilsonwant to be super vulgar on YouTube and get into the specifics of how I want to be more promiscuous YouTube YouTube doesn't care about the

Andrew Wilsonspecifics of um of of sex work they only care if you're you know preaching for Jesus Christ then you'll get banned they don't care if you uh if you talk about whatever degenerous see that you want they don't give a [ __ ] okay I I just don't want to get you guys in trouble

Demi Hawkslike I want to do more like more gang bangs more double penetration things like that but I don't mean I want to do that with random strangers or be unsafe

Brian Atlasor you know practice UNS that's [ __ ] disgusting let me inter let me interject really quick let me read a couple of the chats here or actually Natalia if you can

Natalia Taylorread maybe it is the blank corn ad brain rot men that have experienced that make them these bad men able to see nude women whenever they want online thanks

Brian Atlasto women like you yo Nickelodeon thank you man sorry that the TTS didn't go off I think because there was uh corn in the uh TTS it anytime it has to bleep

Brian Atlasanything out it's not going to uh do the TTS voice but I tried to get it as quickly as I could could you read this one 32 years old divorcing father of

Natalia Taylorthree boys 88k a year about to go through bankruptcy cuz shiz is tough in C for a single father who is paying

Aspenchild support ladies yikes who would let me take them on a date you sure you want a date you know the single girls are did

Aspendid you say that you are interested in making por sorry is this related to the TT the message that just came in I said I do I need to answer that first well I have like five chats I got to get

Brian Atlasthrough we can honestly though I'm not really interested in the porn is bad conversation any longer to be honest it's rather it's rather huh oh I just I wanted to hear Point interested in

Ali Hardestydating this man okay yeah we'll go yeah he's bankrupt oh yeah I don't want to that person we don't know him at all so we're just basing it off like the

Brian Atlasnegative things he's telling us like he might have a lot of really positive attributes and other things that he's not highlighting so are you paying in child support thrashman I know you sent this in like 20 minutes ago but uh I

Andrew Wilsonmean what if the question is reversed if there was um there was a panel full of men instead the reverse question was hey I'm going through a brutal divorce with

Andrew Wilsonmy husband right um but um you know I'm real pretty and stuff uh do you think that the response would be the would be

Aspenthe same 88k a year in California no I mean I think that you should not date her she needs to get that stuff figured out first yeah I mean I would agree but my question is do you think the response

Nicolewould be I think men would be more willing than women would be would willing to have sex with pretty much any woman a date is different but like sex is yeah I well I don't know I don't see

Andrew Wilsonmany of them on this panel talking about how they can't wait to get double penetrated I'm just going to point that out you ask for a panel of men I mean I feel like at least one of them would uh

Demi Hawkslet's do another chat okay same question but instead of a forest you're in a women's bathroom I mean where a bear wouldn't be in a women's bathroom but what if a

Demi Hawksagitated as hell in the women's bathroom which did you pick make it even worse is the the man I guess you pick that yeah that's interesting I don't

Brian Atlasknow the bathroom the bear the bear or man in a woman's bathroom am I in the stall already like can I wait for the bear to leave what is the

Andrew Wilsonbear doing there what is the man doing either to leave like whatever whatever the particulars are that you want to attribute to the hypothetical

Andrew Wilsonyou can but just hypothetically you're in a bathroom and a man wanders in or a [ __ ] black bear wanders in which one

Ali Hardestywould you prefer I'd prefer a man a man the man Ally are you answering man or bear she did she answered man yeah yes man chea

Ali Hardestyyou don't get your answers from someone else I'm just I'm just curious I'm just curious the difference why you'd pick a man now versus before I don't really understand the question you're an encl yeah in an inclosed space it's harder with the bear like the Bears definitely

Demi Hawkshere's the thing with bears are more predictable animals than strange men and I know that in a in a in a enclosed space in a bathroom like fck is the bear

TTSdoing there it's going to freak out for sure for sure I agree with that it's not like anymore like at that point like no

TTSthat guy sling off donated $199 fun fact Bears who are vicious meat eaters spend their time in the woods searching for their next meal men spend

Demi Hawkstheir time in the woods to escape from whatever woman is currently on their nerves yeah but maybe I'm in the woods cuz I want to escape from the man that's getting on my nerves and then I don't

Andrew Wilsonwant to see another man have you ever once gone out to the Woods by yourself and camped so that you could escape a man have you been to the woods you do much Camp have I been to the

Demi Hawkswoods I go hiking sometimes it's not really like to be honest it's not really my thing is it with a man when you go hiking uh yeah yeah kind of figured but

Natalia Taylorlike it's not a strange you ever hiked with a bear I have seen a bear on a hike I have and it was really I have a question if I can ask her so if you're going on a hike with a man that you've known for less than 30 days how is that

Brian Atlasdifferent from a random man see but I I haven't gotone on a hike with a man I've known for less than 30 days here hold on I I got another scenario here let me give you another scenario and then we'll

Brian Atlaspull up some more of the chats here so okay if your question is bear over man what if we just replaced a lot of

Brian Atlasyou live in a city right do you think you would be safer in a city if we just replaced all men with bears no but all of you live in probably Metro like

Ali Hardestyeither the metro area or the you know the city itself how surrounded by men constantly I don't know where I live there's a lot of wildlife but not bears but when you're not alone with them like there's like other Witnesses like

Brian Atlasthey're less likely to do certain things I many attack squirels right you think you be more attack squirrels and attack RAB would you be more safe or less safe

Brian Atlasif we snapped our fingers and all men in your city became Bears just we replace them with bears would you be more safe or less safe and let's say you're you're even out

Brian Atlassomewhere when this happened like let's say you're at the club with your girls and it just switch all the men become Bears you're just throwing it back on a bear now you

Demi Hawksthink you're safer with the with the Bears or with the men even okay like in a city situation yeah with the men I don't know the Bears are going to R Us one time I ate bear me I'm not kidding I

Demi Hawkswas in Canada and ate bear meat and it smelled so bad I can't imagine how that City would smell yeah what is that bear like from a bear oh you ate meat it's nasty what we okay what if we change the

Brian Atlassetting Andrew kind of already asked this with the bathroom thing we eat this horse to change the a little bit we be 10 what about a 10x10 room it's like a bathroom that's like the bathro situation that's the same

Aspenquestion a little different though it's a little different different that makes me choose man but if I was you're so far away from the mic oh sorry so if it's different than the bathroom because my thing with it being a a random guy in

Brian Atlasthe bathroom is why that increases his chance of being a freak yeah that's true I just don't get like why with my other one with the city one if your choice is be why choose to live in cities which

Brian Atlasare occupied by hundreds of thousands or even millions of men why not go into the woods or forest with bears if you really genuinely feel like bears are safer than I don't leave my house much we live in

Ali Hardestylike a society into the I'm very scared of that okay I'm terrified of that so is it because you don't trust men that you choose the bear for both of you I guess

Demi Hawksyeah and I think this argument kind of proves it because a lot of men are more focused on like oh why don't you trust me like I you know instead of instead of just working on being more Trust worthy

Demi Hawkspeople okay um and then you know like I've seen all the memes of like oh this is what a bear would do like they're they're you know not everyone but there's people online who are definitely

TTSrelishing and and getting kind of excited and like very into the idea of like women being mauled by bears that guy slingshot donated

TTS$199 look up Timothy Treadwell and tell me again that you would rather trust a bear over a man I don't know if the photos are kind of uh yeah are gruesome

Demi Hawksthen we probably can't we can't look it up they would be Gore yeah or Gore yeah yeah and i' I've seen photos of of people mauled by bears and I've seen photos of people attacked by men like well in this bathroom scenario did you

Ali Hardestyguys have definitive answers to that the you prefer the man or the I guess because it's like that's not their habitat for a bear so I think I could picture it going crazier than like in a huge jungle Forest

Demi Hawkswhatever yeah and that I think Aspen right you brought up a good point that a man in the bathroom would be like the [ __ ] is he doing in the bathroom right question B plan like

Demi Hawksyou just are Rand but I think that's kind of like why you would be nervous or why you would not trust like you know somebody because you would you would you trust a man

Andrew Wilsonwearing a wig to go in the bathroom then no is it a man wearing a wig or are you getting at something else well I mean it's the same same point right they can still have all the

Andrew Wilsonplumbing but they they just say me a woman right so I mean you would would you trust them to go in the bathroom then but I do think that then in that instance like intention is important cuz

Demi HawksI've definitely been I've definitely been in the bathroom with trans women before and they have not assaulted me and it's not been an issue at all I don't know I feel like you hear a lot of stories that come out about assaulted you stuff's happening in the locker rooms and stuff so you've been in the

Demi Hawksbathroom with men before and they haven't assaulted you that's what you're saying yeah but I haven't been yeah so I don't understand well in the bathroom scenario I did say that I chose a man yeah so

Brian Atlaswhat are you getting at Andrew you listening yeah I'm listening okay okay I don't know my conclusion on the whole bear thing is I mean at least my analysis you can't really understand

Brian Atlasat least for those who pick bear you can't really understand it rationally or logically CU it's not I think the be choice is simply social signaling about how much women don't

Brian Atlaslike men agree or how they're afraid of men yeah I it's a dis how they feel unsafe around men but I mean how you feel about

Nicolea situation and the reality yeah of a situation are completely different it's just been in Theo it doesn't mean that they hate men I mean you can feel afraid

Nicoleof something and not hate it well they then they're bigoted well like I could be afraid of a lion but it doesn't mean I hate Lions well

Nicolevalid yeah so just like if you can you can replace the word hate with like afraid I guess and that would be a valid or that would be well I said I didn't use the word hate I said don't like men

Demi Hawksyou said ha you said hate you said hate no I don't I didn't say hate also in this scenario I'm picturing like a scary her Point still stands her Point still stand she can be afraid of M and not

Demi Hawksdislike them so that's did you did you say hate you did did I yes okay I could have I could have I'm pretty sure I I don't disagree though I don't hate men I

Ali Hardestythought I said don't like men but don't hate men uh they feel unsafe around men or just distrust but also the bathroom scenario as compared to the forest

Ali Hardestyscenario I'm picturing two different men in my head someone who would be isolated in a forest versus someone who's just in a bathroom which everyone goes to the restroom every day I do think it's fair to say that a lot of women are like

Andrew Wilsondistrusting and maybe a little bit afraid of strange men that they don't know okay I mean but I mean I would be

Andrew Wilsonafraid of a strange bear I didn't know right do you know a lot of bears yeah but do do I need to know a lot of bears to know that I'd be distrustful of a wild animal who was a giant bear do I

Andrew Wilsonneed to know them I don't understand I need to have an interpersonal relationship with bears to know how [ __ ] dangerous they are Bri was just bringing up the whole point of the conversation and why we were having it

Brian Atlasbasically is that a lot of women are afraid of men I think it's just like an like I said an opportunity to socially signal a lot of women just have sort of

Andrew Wilsona I don't understand why why would they be afraid of men anyway I mean most of the domestic violence happens from women to men not from men to women in fact there was a meta analysis that was done on this which I can send over Brian can

Andrew Wilsonpull it up men are three times more likely to commit a violent crime than a woman no this is absolutely well now hang on that may be true against other men but not against women when it comes to women you're looking at domestic violence

Andrew Wilsonstats it's absolutely not true there meta analysis done on this this was done here I'll pull it up for you right now domestic violence guys it's the difference in frequency of violence and reported

Andrew Wilsoninjury between relationships with reciprocal and non-reciprocal intimate partner uh dynamic inside of this it was discovered that men are just far less likely to report

Andrew Wilsonthat they were the victims of domestic violence um because it's emasculating however women are the ones who assault men far more than men assault women okay that's domestic violence but you can

Nicolestill look up you can look up the statistics if you want but I know that they're correct more likely to commit a violent crime no they're not they're not correct against women no that's not correct

Andrew Wilsondomestic for domestic violence accounts for the overwhelming amount of violence committed towards women assaults are super rare I'm not

Nicolesaying it's against men or women I mean it doesn't really matter anyway because either way the man the man is still the aggressor which is the point of the argument who's he who he's being aggressive towards isn't the argument

Andrew Wilsonbut no that's not the point of the argument the point of the argument is that women do women distrust men because they consider men because they consider men to be physical threats and what I'm

Andrew Wilsonsaying to you is that while it may be so that they do that doesn't mean it's Justified that they do because when we look at the statistics on this it does not appear that their justification is

Andrew Wilsonthere for instance have you guys been have you guys been any of you guys here let me finish the question calm down have any of you gals here have

Andrew Wilsonhad random men just show up and beat beat you has that ever happened to any of you just a random guy just shows up and beats you up do that ever happen no but assaulted yes not

Andrew Wilsonrandom that's but that's my question this is why it's phrased this way so that you can understand the question has a random guy walked over and beat you up no no has has that ever

Nicolehappened show hands if any if that's happen assaulted yes and you can be afraid listen that's not my question answer have you seen a woman go up to a random

Andrew Wilsonanswer my question don't ask me one it's answered show of hands for the women here whove had a random guy just show up and beat him up and beat beat them up specifically no other type of assault

Andrew Wilsonyou're not going to accept any other okay okay hang on just just before you go into the but this other thing happened just bear with the actual question holy [ __ ] don't divert don't ask something different just answer the

Andrew Wilsonquestion it's not that hard so since that's never happened to any of you you understand and that this actually is rare that this happens at all to any women outside of a domestic situation so

Andrew Wilsonthat's why we look at the domestic violence stats because that's going to be the overwhelming amount of these uh types of abuses and it seems that the threat of men is wildly overplayed in

Andrew Wilsonsociety towards women sexual assault not a form of violence that's that's what I'm scared of oh no let's well if you want to get into SAS then let's talk about the fact that there's so many female teachers who essay their students

TTSdo you want to get into the stats on that that's not alone in the woods though aquatic donated $200 do you think you have better chances of surviving with a polar bear or a man in the wild man in the wild

Brian Atlashere's here's the thing hold on hold on answer let's do this man in the wild let's do this answer the Polar Polar Bear one man pick the polar bear or man

Ali Hardestya man I guess to survive a man okay well polar bears are the most aggressive not what I'm scared of I'm specifically scared of getting Ed by the

Brian Atlasman in the forest alone so what what okay that's a possibility what what are the CU I don't really think a bear is capable what percentage of men do you think would do that cuz Okay so you're

Brian Atlasbeing a in the man versus be thing you're being assigned a totally random man so based on that you're go you're having to make some assumptions there about the probability of Any Given

Brian Atlasrandom man doing that what do you think that the frequency is of men doing that I'm picturing like the fact that he is in the woods alone is you're overthinking it you're overthinking it

Brian Atlaslet's just the motivations of why he he's in the woods are relevant like he's not home with his kids he's not with his wife both randomly spawn you're just yeah you randomly spawn in the woods oh okay um well then that's less of a

Brian Atlaschance for sure it randomly yeah okay it randomly selects out of the what but you get what I'm picturing right like an Axe Murderer type it could be what percentage of men are axe murderers that's the thing you

Nicolehave to just know but the thing is is if we're talking about why men are afraid of women it's because I can't speak for or why men are of or why women are afid

Nicoleafraid of men sorry I misspoke okay um I I would I could almost bet that every woman at this table or I know like at least 99% of the people the women I know

Nicolein my life have been a victim to a man in some form whether it was sexually or physically they're kind of the same thing but in somewhere yeah whether they're worker or sex

Andrew Wilsonworker not but I don't believe it so here's the thing right like I don't actually believe 100% what I think happens instead and the stats pair this out as well is that things which women

Andrew Wilsonwould consider to be sa men just simply do not so for instance unwarranted touching by women towards men men just disregard it whereas women will often

Andrew Wilsonfreak out about it so I'm not so um and by the way I also have the Cardinal Wilson Rule and here's the Cardinal Wilson rule if there was no police report I don't [ __ ] believe you

Andrew Wilsonthat's my that's my actual rule if there was no police report right then I think that the chances that it actually happened in a significant way are not true that's that's my that's my own my

Aspenown personal rule for this well and even if there's if there's no police report it's not going to get processed it just sits on a in Most states done that well okay but there's

Andrew Wilsonstill a report right yeah no I'm saying that so so that's the thing is like that's that's uh that's my rule right is that there's so many of these which end up being unfounded the women won't say

Andrew Wilsonthe name of the person and this is the reason that the women won't come forward with the names of these supposed uh sa assaulters is because then that man would have an opportunity to refute those charges and so they don't want to

Andrew Wilsondo that because it would actually be a false allegation so what they do is they say no I have this happen to me and you say ask for details you say well where when why how did that happen suddenly hang on let me finish I'm almost done

Andrew Wilsonand then suddenly the details go right out the window and they won't name who these people are they won't they won't tell you that there was a police report they won't say any of those things so I have I struggle myself to believe that a

Demi Hawkslot of women are telling the truth about these situations as a man you are more likely to be raped yourself then you are to be wrongfully accused of doing so oh

Demi HawksI'm sorry sorry our worded you are you are more likely to be assaulted yourself than you are to be wrongfully accused of doing so I don't know if there's no there's the

Andrew Wilsonevidence for this is extremely scant in fact so the thing is is that while it is I I think I could even Grant this and still destroy the argument so even if I

Andrew Wilsongranted that that was true then there's still a huge swath of women who will make the claim that they were essayed by men but not give any particulars so there's no way for us to make a determined

Andrew Wilsonverification that it's so so I'm not sure that that stat would even be valid where are you coming up with your stat of all these women who are Al like what what's the validity in that you feel

Andrew Wilsonthat way like what do do you want me to repeat what I just said yeah sure yeah so what I said is I'm not sure that we can say that

Andrew Wilsonthis stat could ever be completely true that you just reference about uh about sa either direction and the reason is is because by your logic there's tons and

Andrew Wilsontons of women right who are sa but they don't come forward with the fact that they were sa right if that is true L would not the

TTSsame be true for men I guess that's my question that guy slingshot donated $199 and to go further on what Andrew said those who wait 10 or 15 years to

TTSsay something about essay which usually is with a celebrity I think is nothing more than a money grab in most cases and agree in those cases I think it is more likely for false allegations to come but

Nicoleju I mean just because a woman doesn't report an assault doesn't mean it didn't happen and I think that's a very um dangerous mindset to have to automatically Le dangerous mindset to have just because there wasn't a police report filed and by the way there's

Andrew Wilsondifferent types of sexual assault that doesn't that isn't our wording there's other things as well so no I agree but then when we get into the particulars of those things what we find out is that

Andrew Wilsonmen often will disregard what women will consider to be sa even though the same exact thing is happening to them in Reverse by women that's point one point two is is that if it's not reported then how can we count it as being true we

Andrew Wilsonjust basically have to take people's words for it there's no real reason that we should do that absent evidence that would be the opposite of how we should conduct any type of study into the ESS

Natalia Taylorphenomenon you're not referring to children are you just women yeah I'm talking about women here okay who are adults so when we're

Andrew Wilsontalking about adult women this is just my cardinal rule that I have is that tons and tons of women who I've talked to have these essay stories but however when pressed for particulars suddenly

Andrew Wilsonthe story completely falls apart most notably the fact that they won't name The Men Who supposedly did this to them interestingly enough I think that the reason the logical reason that I came to for why they do not is because if they

Andrew Wilsonnamed that man you'd find out that he was in Kentucky while she was in Wyoming and she was full of [ __ ] that's my personal feeling on the thing um can I

Nicolesay one thing so um I guess the biggest thing is that I don't have the numbers um and it would

Nicolebe hard to find proper numbers on this anyway but a lot of now women were sexually assaulted when they were children and that's when it took place

Andrew Wilsonif we're talking about children we're not talking about no I that's child abuse I mean that's a whole different conversation so in this partic in this particular case we can

Andrew Wilsonleave that to the side right I'm talking about women who are uh making the claims of being S as adults we're we're being hypers specific here we're not talking about uh the cases of children though

Andrew WilsonI'd be happy to get into it we're not going to because it's YouTube and it's to I'm talking specifically about adult women so this is um from from from my perspective I look at this logically if somebody makes an accusation says such

Andrew Wilsonthing happened to me but there's no evidence for it um that would be a secularist would never for instance accept that from a Christian saying oh God talk to me but I can't prove it and

Andrew WilsonI can't demonstrate it and I can't show it so why is in the world should we accept the counter from women that they make these bold claims that this you

Morganknow this and that happened to them absent any evidence uh that it did I'm probably going to get a lot of woman from this but I actually agree with

MorganAndrew 100% or at least 95% um because I personally do know a lot of women who have made these claims just because they regret it afterwards and I'm like it's be almost become like this [ __ ] up

MorganTrend just like people think it's cool now to have like some type of mental disorder where it's like oh like I'm I'm a victim like it's cool to be a victim and that pisses me off I'm going to be honest pisses me off well it should and

Andrew Wilsonthe truth is is that if you follow behavior in voting by women and you follow Trends in buying by women you will note that peer pressure even towards things which are not considered

Andrew Wilsonto be great if it brings women attention they will follow Trends which are not even good for them to follow agreed this um now men do this too I'm not being biased here than saying it's only women I'm just saying that women are more

Andrew Wilsonprone to that that's why propaganda works so well on them um that's how they were able to get an entire generation of women to begin smoking was because they were so susceptible to that propaganda

Andrew Wilsonso um I would actually have to agree with you as well that as I look at this it's hard for me to believe that uh that

Andrew Wilsonthe kind of rampant stats on uh on what is considered SA or anything short of um you know lies essentially absent proof and Andrew I'm sure you could agree with

Brian Atlasme on this I think we we both think here that uh sa is an absolutely terrible thing awful thing yeah put them against the wall as they say yeah I do think

Andrew Wilsonthough that there is a uh but that's why the burden of proof should be so high the burden of proof should be so high because the punishment should be so overwhelming so the punishment for something like this should be

Andrew Wilsonoverwhelming uh towards a man who conducts this and that's why we should be very very careful about the particulars of how Justice is served up here and we should have evidence for this so that we can definitely put these

Brian Atlaspeople where they belong which is in prison for life yeah and and they have done I mean they have looked at an analysis I mean comparing this to other crimes and what they found to be

Brian Atlasprovably false where the woman either recanted the story and there was proof that he wasn't he was somewhere else or you know or you know she I think I

Brian Atlasalready said she recanted or she proved that she was lying uh in comparison to other kinds of crime reports the rate I think is 2X or even 3x the rate of like

Brian Atlasfalse accusations of other kinds of crimes um and then I specifically actually want to point out something that happens to minority men at even further disproportionate rates I don't know if you know the case of EMT till

Brian Atlasthe boy who was falsely accused by a white woman back in the I believe it was in the ' 50s or and they lynched him okay wa wait now wait okay well I'll

Andrew Wilsonjust be quiet there oh we're not exactly sure that it was there's there's it I've heard I've heard it conflicted as to my

Brian Atlasunderstanding on her my understanding on her death bed this woman on her deathbed the woman who accused it recanted and said that she made it up at least that's

Andrew Wilsonmy that's the research that I did I remember read maybe I I mean I could be wrong there I just I don't want to uh throw throw shade at anybody unless unless I know for sure that it's true so

Brian Atlasif my research serves me correct I do believe that she on her she um later in her life she said uh I either embellished I

Brian Atlasexaggerated or I just made the whole thing up um but what happened to em till this young black boy uh this he apparently flirted uh

Brian Atlassaid something you know lascivious to a white woman and her family or friends whatever I'll don't know the exact details lynched him killed him and so false accusations

Natalia Taylorhappen all the time and they actually specifically T to negativ she was jealous of some someone else he was yeah he had want happens at higher rates to

Brian Atlastypically when you see white woman black man it happens at a much higher frequency uh it happen to pre Patrice O'Neal rest in peace um happens to frequently black men because there's an

Brian Atlasadded level at least for some of these white women who uh for example have consens consensual sex with them and then they regret it for you know you

Brian Atlasknow there's perhaps racist reasons for it um but there's a lot there's a component of regret here they regret it like if you hook up somebody

Andrew Wilsonconsensually and you later regret it that's not sa no it's not but also see this we can also see this same Trend happened with the lies of paternity

Andrew WilsonWhich is far more prevalent than previously was understood with DNA testing so now we know that the amount of fraternity fraud is um I mean in some

Andrew Wilsoncases it's been estimated as high as 20% I think that that might be a wildly High estimate to be honest with you um and I think that the evidence for that is somewhat scant but it's definitely more prevalent than we thought it was there's

Andrew Wilsonno doubt that that's true we're not saying that sa against women may not be pre prevalent from men it probably is we're just disputing as to whether or not the justification for why you should

Nicolenot be around men uh based on these kind of wildly inflated numbers is Justified that's the point we're making what if we talk about biology and the fact that men are a lot stronger than women and so I

Andrew Wilsonwould let's say like if I had to choose obviously to fight a woman or a man I'm going to choose the woman because I wouldn't be able to protect myself against a man that wanted to harm yeah sure sure but nobody would dispute that this is why the question was about a

Andrew Wilsonbear or a man bear is obviously but a bear is obviously much stronger than a man right I said much stronger but yeah yeah but that's but that but we weren't making the comparison uh as to whether or not men

Andrew Wilsonare stronger than women obviously that's true generally speaking that's uh that's true um even weaker men are stronger than um even strong women in many cases

Andrew Wilsonso I mean we wouldn't dispute this but that would not lead to to the conclusion that that means that the prevalence of sa as advertised is as high as it's

Brian Atlasadvertised I don't know back to the bear thing though I feel like I don't want anything to do with that if women were truly this scared of men they love to pretend they are like they there

Brian Atlaswouldn't be such rampant casual sex occurring it wouldn't be getting drunk around men partying being alone with men having male friends all this stuff so uh

Nicoleuh I don't know it seems like logic would dictate that a men would be safer than bear but um it's sad to say but honestly like you're far more likely to be you know assaulted by someone you

Andrew Wilsonknow than someone you don't know like a strange man that's a good point yeah that's a good point it's like would you I agree that the but the predatory behavior in that regard works both ways

Andrew Wilsonfor instance I have the data here as well when you're talking about for instance women who are in positions of authority over men which would include minors inside of prison where there's

Andrew Wilsonfemale prison guards the sa skyrockets in comparison to the other way the same thing happens when you're talking about teachers for instance even when you're talking about clergy while it's true that more men conduct these things uh as

Andrew Wilsona percentage of how many are in these positions women conduct them against men far more which is interesting so I'm not so willing to just say that this is a problem which comes from men and only

Nicolemen I'm not saying it is why do you think it is that um it's more prevalent uh for women or like let's say teachers to pre on male students

Andrew WilsonI'm this is an interesting question close to child abuse I'm not so sure I'm not so sure that anybody knows exactly why but I think it's due to the fact of um of basically being able to manipulate

Andrew Wilsonand gain attention um but it's it's hard to say this is a a phenomenon which may have been going on for a long time just kind of unrecognized because um again when we're talking about sa this is one of my

Andrew Wilsonpoints when I say that men often will disregard things that women would consider sa there's a lot and and this is the truth no nobody's going to like to hear this but there are young men probably Who are 16 17 years old who

Demi Hawksbang their teacher and aren't upset about it right me that's probably just true that's though like that's not okay for those that's not that's they were

Andrew Wilson100% groomed no I'm not disputing that I'm not disputing that it is I'm saying that the way that it would be perceived by a male versus how it's perceived by women are different and that's why I'm saying that we can't hold a dualistic

Andrew Wilsonstandard when it comes to this I agree with you you see what I'm saying so I mean I don't disagree with you it's absolutely sa I mean and they're underage everything else it's horrible I'm just

Brian Atlasdistinction perception um I got to move it on we have five chats we have to get through we have Anonymous can you read it Natalia okay same question but instead that we already read this one we did

Brian Atlasthat one we did this one oh my bad hold on I'll pull up another one one sec guys all right uh is it coming through

Brian Atlasno okay well while we wait guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever twitch.tv SL whatever jobs follow oh oh no no no never mind can you read it things to do

Natalia Taylorin the Woods fishing picking mushrooms chopping trees fighting fires hiking camping dressing a bear in a costume and going hunting lone females got it sounds like a crazy weekend we'll put

Natalia TaylorKaleb cereal we have big Sarge thank you man Brian would intervene by popping a champagne cap in the Bear's ass oh Nick better be there as

Brian Atlasback yeah I had that last one I don't know I think that one was has been in the refrigerator for a minute maybe that was the problem we have David trec

Natalia Taylorcoming in here in just a sec thank you man thank you David a by bear with STDs or a Grizzly or a murder Hornet's Nest or a

Natalia Taylorstrange Mountain Man isolated from society uh squeaky toy Barbie that's me okay that's you okay is is is swe sweet

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