Man vs. Bear DEBATE! Andrew Wilson! Genghis Khan BETA MALE? E-GIRLS! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #158

Date: 2024-05-06

Duration: 6h 49m

Guests

Brian Atlas

NNatalia Taylor >

AAli Hardesty >

MMadison (DT164)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_03Natalia Taylor(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ali Hardesty(guest)

SPEAKER_05Nicole(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Demi Hawks(guest)

SPEAKER_12Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_13Aspen(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian Atlas opens show intro

“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape”

OtherNatalia Taylor introduces herself as a traditional model

“hi I'm Natalia Taylor I'm 27 I'm from the Coachella Valley and I'm a traditional model and a cashier at a gift shop”

OtherDemi Hawks introduces herself as a porn star (returning guest)

“uh I'm Demi Hawks I'm 24 and I live in Los Angeles and I'm a porn star welcome back”

OtherMorgan reveals she quit OnlyFans after encountering the Whatever podcast

“I will say your podcast did help solidify that decision... I was already like getting out of it but after coming into contact with the podcast it definitely solidified”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues pornography is semantically identical to prostitution

“if you make the claim that people who have sexual intercourse for money are prostitutes and you're having sexual intercourse for money this would make you a what — that would make me a prostitute”

ControversyBrian states he would not take a bullet for a girlfriend or wife

“I would not be willing in that scenario to take a bullet for her I would not die for my girlfriend or wife”

ControversyAndrew Wilson cites Ephesians 5:22 on wifely submission to justify Brian's position

“wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands as unto the Lord for the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church”

OtherNatalia shares she submitted to her husband before attraction developed — heard God's voice

“I heard God tell me this is your husband submit to him... I knew that the way that he appeared during that time wasn't how he would always be and that he would grow into the man that he was meant to be”

OtherMan vs Bear debate introduced — would you rather be stuck in the woods with a man or a bear?

“the question is would you rather be stuck in the woods with a man or a bear”

ControversyDemi explains bears are more predictable than unknown men; Andrew challenges her promiscuity contradiction

“a man that I don't know could be very unpredictable and a bear like it can be unpredictable but if you leave Bears alone they will more likely leave you”

OtherRatings round begins — Brian asks panel to rate own looks 1-10

“Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 start with you”

OtherNatalia discloses drug addiction, psychosis, and husband's drug dealing backstory

“I was addicted to weed cocaine Molly um and hallucinogens... I went into a full-blown psychosis for over a year”

OtherNicole's condom cup story — ex cheated in her apartment

“I go back into my room my bed and there's a cup with a condom wrapper inside of it”

ControversyAndrew Wilson's debate-book recommendations after Gerald's $600 super chat

“Story of Philosophy by Will Durant... A World Without Men by Aaron Clarey... Dogmatic Theology by Losskey... Terry Goodkind fiction... Lord of the Rings”

OtherBrian reveals Sadia Khan cancelled appearance over travel compensation dispute

“she was supposed to be the guest on the show today... the big crux of it was she was already planning to be in LA we're 2 hours north she wanted to get us to pay for an Uber there and back and then hotel”

OtherEnd-of-show body count round: Demi 100+, Ali 100-200, Natalia under 10, Aspen under 10, Morgan teens, Madison ~2-3

“lost count forever ago in the hundreds no like over 100 that's the number for the day boys and girls”

Topics Discussed

Intro & 1M Clips Channel Plaque Unboxing

Brian opens the show with announcements and unboxes YouTube 1M subscriber plaque for the Whatever Clips channel.

Guest introductions

All guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Includes brief discussion of traditional vs. OnlyFans modeling, Demi's porn career, Morgan quitting OnlyFans after the show, Natalia's YouTube channel, Andrew Wilson's Crucible channel and Miami beef with Wes Watson.

Relationship statuses

Each guest describes current relationship status. Demi discusses building first-ever roster. Ali describes meeting ex at a foursome. Natalia describes meeting husband during recovery. Nicole describes meeting current boyfriend Will (ex's former best friend). Demi's pornography vs. prostitution semantics debate with Andrew Wilson.

Should a man take a bullet for a woman?

Brian states he would not take a bullet for a girlfriend or wife, but would for his children. Panel goes around the table. Andrew Wilson debates from Eastern Orthodox ethics: submission must precede sacrifice. Natalia argues from Biblical equality. Discussion extends to Genghis Khan, alpha/beta framing, and ecclesiastical authority in marriage. Champagne pop when viewer Gerald sends $600.

Biblical submission in marriage

Andrew Wilson cites Ephesians 5:22 on wifely submission. Natalia (married) shares she submitted to her husband before attraction developed; husband grew into the role. Debate on whether submission is prerequisite for male sacrifice. Andrew argues church community/shame mechanisms prevent arbitrary divorce.

Man vs. Bear debate

Viral TikTok/hypothetical question: would you rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear? Most panel chose 'man'. Only Demi (and briefly Andrew) chose 'bear'. Brian argues the choice is social signaling about distrust of men. Andrew presents reframed versions (bathroom, room, 10 men vs 10 bears). Discussion of women's distrust of men, domestic violence stats, correlation of OnlyFans careers with male distrust.

Trust of men, promiscuity, and OnlyFans

Andrew presses Demi on contradiction: wants to be more promiscuous but chose bear over man. Demi argues she only has sex with men in the industry she knows. Discussion of sample size from sex work leading to male distrust. Ali and Demi identified as the two who said 'bear' — both in sex work.

Ratings round

Brian asks panel to rate their own looks 1-10. Self-ratings given: Natalia 6.9, Nicole 7, Demi 10, Ali 5.5, Morgan 7, Brian ~5 (self-stated). Andrew jokingly rated himself 4 in Demi's voice.

Pre-show notes & guest stories

Brian reads pre-show notes. Natalia's drug addiction/psychosis/husband backstory. Nicole's condom cup story (ex cheated in her apartment). Demi's marketable skills discussion. Ali's orgy-meeting-ex backstory. Morgan's child support negotiation. Andrew's book recommendations. Discussion on OnlyFans backup plans if EMP or ban.

Show wrap-up and Sadia Khan story

Brian discloses Sadia Khan (dating coach/psychologist) was originally booked for the episode but cancelled over travel compensation dispute (Uber + hotel from LA). Brian offered a carpool; she declined. He says she was the B-side. Rachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) confirmed as upcoming guest. Twitch raid to 'Grandma' (82yo World of Warcraft player). Body count round at end.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasso women seem very upset by this idea of men not falling into this disposable role of they ought to sacrifice their

Brian Atlaslife for a woman um but so ultimately at the end of the day would you what would you want me yeah I mean I like I said I

Morganwould sure it would be nice if I I would like I like the idea of a man I'm with caring enough to want to protect me like that but like I said

MorganI I don't think if I don't think if a man um like if for whatever reason that conversation somehow got brought up um I I wouldn't say that yeah he's low value

Morganor not a real man or anything of that nature just because he wouldn't want to take a bullet okay here's the scenario let me change this up a little bit you've been dating a guy for two

TTSyears just Gerald donated $200 for the panel what about you specifically is worth dying for okay we'll go around on that in just a second

Brian Atlashere but so the question is you've been dating a guy for two years this conversation comes up cuz you watch the whatever podcast and you're like that host is a [ __ ] I wouldn't that and and then

Brian Atlasyou're like what would you do for me babe would you take a bullet for me and he's like nah he doesn't say like whatever he says it in the most diplomatic way possible he just says I love you babe but no I wouldn't do it would you break up with him is it the end of the relationship ship no end of

Aspenthe relationship causes serious issues in the relationship no no I don't think it would end the relationship no no if that's the case if the guy really says

TTSthat there's probably other things going on in that relationship that donated $200 the delusion being in the real situation none of you would expecting the man to do it isn't realistic only

Brian Atlastime a man would dive in front of a bullet and die would be for his children yeah that's one scenario where I'd be more inclined to do it would be for the

Brian Atlaskids but not for the lady friend it is what it is um going back to Gerald Gerald he asks for the panel what about what about

Brian Atlasyou specifically is Worth Dying For You can give short answers if you'd like we'll start with you go ahead my faith

Andrew Wilsonwait your what Your Faith wait your faith in your husb husband my faith in God I would die for my would no no the question isn't what you would die for

Andrew Wilsonthe question is what about you makes it worth someone else dying on your behalf that's the question I think there's she just answer no I don't I don't know to be honest what about you I don't think

Demi Hawksthat there's anything yeah yeah I think to like a random stranger nothing but to somebody that I had like a very close personal intimate relationship I'm sure they could find many reasons many things

Ali Hardestythey like about me I agree with that I think if I'm the love of someone's life and they were worth they were willing to make that sacrifice then it would be important to them and they would see things well what are the um so so the

Ali Hardestywhat are the specifics though what would you say the specifics are that would make you a person who's worth dying for I'm not specifically saying that I am but I also think that I'm awesome and whoever ends up with me should probably

Aspenthink that too what sorry all right what about you that's awesome yeah I think this is what the problem or one of the problems with Society is is

Aspenthat uh I think and I and tell me like why this is wrong if it's wrong but I really think that can you not it's just distracts me

Aspenmore I think that it's because I'm a woman so a man a man should be huh

TTSH yeah that's my answer sorry actually I'm happy to go down this line with G one sports Don $200 of course these girls expect a man to take a bullet for them so they can

TTSstep over his corpse and move on to the next swinging deck do not expect a man to be a bullet magnet when you are a Deen who hurt you and are you an incel

Brian Atlaswho hurt you and are you a prostitute no she she's not the no that's me that's that's Demi that's Demi um yo GD you you

Brian Atlasdon't want to you don't want to invoke his you don't want to invoke Grid's he'll be sending in Jets all night now don't you want that more money by the way he's got he's he's married

Andrew Wilsonand he has kids he's definitely not a definitely not an Insel uh thank you good one appreciate it I wouldn't mind going down this line with you real quick because I kind of enjoy where it's going so you're talking about the ontology or

Aspenthe being you're saying that by nature of being a woman there's possibly some kind of entitlement in soci for that you think um I think that there is an aspect in

Aspensociety where women should be protected so if you if if it means entitlement which actually I think it probably would actually be I don't like the word entitlement but I don't know what other word to choose well let's go with

Andrew Wilsonentitlement I think that's a good word and I think that that kind of encapsulates what you're saying if such a thing is true and you have this type of entitlement this would give you

Andrew Wilsonfeminine privilege wouldn't it um yeah I think men do have it worse yeah if that's the case shouldn't men get additional privileges that perhaps

Andrew Wilsonwomen don't get what what privilege are you thinking of like what's an idea of that privilege the expectation is that they die on behalf of women just because of the ontology of women being women well they do that they go to war and

Andrew Wilsonthey do that I understand but but we're not talking about what they do do we're talking about what they should do and you're saying they should do it just by via the nature of you being a woman okay fair enough I can Grant hang on I can grant that that's true but if it is true

Andrew Wilsonthen shouldn't they get some kind of additional privileges on top of that shouldn't they be kind of heralded in society I do think that yeah I think and I think that's part of the problem is that we're not looking up to men we're

Aspennot respecting men we're not um you can show it keep going keep going don't worry um I think that that is part part of the problem and and it's like a a

Aspencause and effect type thing where women are being devalued because men are not being valued like they should be I also think it's like The Sassy men Apocalypse out here and that's why women are doing

Ali Hardestythings like only fans these days wait it's men's fault no I'm not saying that I'm not saying that I can take ownership I make my own decisions but I do think that go girl is it is it sassy man

Ali Hardestyapocalypse to not want to die for your girlfriend no not necessarily I don't really have a strong opinion on that either way sassy man for not wanting to some people might think that I don't really I think something's wrong you're

Andrew Wilsonsassy for I think I think that something is wrong when you say um sassy you just being doesn't put up with your [ __ ] I think that that's what that means no I think it's like the men who want be doesn't put your [ __ ] that makes him

Brian Atlassass no it probably should be that um here let's let's get everybody's answer to this because I do want to get into the main thing we will come back to the bullet conversation though I'm kind of confused on what the new question is now but wait I no we went around on this

MadisonMadison I think you we're just he said he wanted to engage on we we'll come back to that just so we can get to the be thing I actually like oddly agree with your position on this

Madisonand I can like explain myself why so Frankie and I have actually had this conversation like before the question was even proposed on the show but personally obviously we'd want to have a

Madisonfuture together and children so I would take the bullet personally because I think that he would be mentally stronger to take care of the children afterwards

MadisonI think I'm a lot weaker so after he died it'd be harder me harder for me to just like live without him and this is if you have kids correct yeah okay and

Madisonjust like even about the honorable question like I do think I am honorable but I think he's more honorable yeah I mean so this is actually one yeah this is actually one of the arguments I make

Brian Atlaseven in the scenario let's say we have two kids together you could if we look to men to be providers and protectors well then if we're looking at this from this

Brian Atlasnew angle of what's best for the children then I think and we know the outcomes of comparing single father households as compared to single mother households children raised in single

Brian Atlasfather households tend to farare far better than the reverse uh there's actually a very compiling argument to be made that actually it's better if the father survives in these circumstances but if his role is to to be a protector

Nicolewouldn't he have already failed at that role and therefore not be a suitable protector for the children well you could that's a good point I you're you're making some assumptions there I

Morganmean who who's to say that he he would fail at protecting the children I don't think necessarily I get what you what you mean but I feel like if the Father

Morganwhich I do feel in most not all cases are usually more of the provider for the family in general that they're going to be a ble to continue still providing for

Andrew Wilsontheir children whereas let's say it was a stay-at-home mom now what well I me we can do L to provide a little to provide a little push back on the other end of the table to the question the question

Andrew Wilsonwhich is asked of Brian is and forgive me um I'll steal man the position you can tell me if I got this question wrong but you asked wouldn't the man already have failed in his position as a protector if this happens but that's

Andrew Wilsonactually a straw man to Brian's position because Brian already laid down that have no obligation to protect women he said that he would lay down his life maybe for his children so it actually

Andrew Wilsonlogically follows what he's saying when he says no I'm not going to lay down my life for a woman so how would he fail at his job as a protector when he doesn't believe that that's his his obligation do you believe your role as a father is

Brian Atlasto be a provider and a protector but not as to your wife not to the mother of your children there's two different things here I think you can absolutely

Brian Atlasstill be a protector but if there's some scenario where the calculus is well if my role as protector would it's not even necessarily the role is protect her like you could still protect her

Brian Atlaswith the uh hoped or anticipated outcome that you both still survive but in some scenario where one of you has to die I don't think it has anything really to do

Nicolewith uh protection necessarily if she's the one who has to die um yeah I mean I think it's also on a case- toase basis because there are a

Nicolelot of situations where the man is more financially you know makes more money but then there's also the opposite so if you want to really sit down and talk to your partner about that that's maybe one thing but well men are typically the

Nicolebread winner typically not always though certainly there are women who who are uh breadwinners too but yeah well like I said it's a case- toase basis because like for example my dad made more money but I would have been way better off

Nicolejust being raised by my mom because money wasn't as important as were you raised by your father um I was raised by well my parents are div divorced but I was mostly raised by my mom but my dad

Natalia Taylorwould not have been able to Sure emotionally I'm not now I'm not saying that more money there's more important things you're taking love out of the equation are fathers incapable of loving

Natalia Taylortheir children no it's just your argument doesn't take love into account it just talks about how you're the provider and the protector for the children first and foremost how I'm generalities here outcome would be you

Natalia Taylorknow if if you needed to provide for the children and I think like you're taking providing and looking at that as like like monetarily is equal to love basically but it's that sounds like

Nicoleyou're making an argument that the man is far more disposable than the woman no I'm saying that it's a case- toase basis because money is not the most important

Andrew Wilsonthing in a child's life um sure so if it's a case-by casee basis then Brian would be right in saying that he should not immediately move towards the self-sacrifice because in his particular case especially it may be the case that

Nicolethat would not be in the best interest of the children who he would make the sacrifice for right he I'm not saying he's wrong for feeling that way about himself like that's his being willing to take the

Brian Atlasbullet yeah you can have that oh I think we can all agree that you all think I'm entitled to have that position but I think you all object to the position no

Andrew Wilsoncome on you guys you guys all object not Tak what as a man there's been there's been a lot of subtle objection whether you see it or not the the push back to to Brian has definitely been seemingly

Andrew Wilsonnow this is seeming so this would be inductive logic not deductive for those of you on that side of the table um but it does seem like you are pushing back on his uh on his worldview here a little

Andrew Wilsonbit so I think that that's fine right that's what the show is for but uh but i' I mean I'd like to hear it yeah I object to that world view that I

Aspenwouldn't be willing to yeah sacrifice my life for yeah I think that there's probably um not not the right value maybe that

Brian Atlasyou're going to put on your marriage that's fine one last thing on this I we will get to the be vers man thing as soon as I as soon as we get past this do you think because one of the criticisms

Brian AtlasI receive when I bring up this argument quite a bit sometimes from the but often times from the chat they're like Brian you're a beta male for not being willing to sacrifice your life

Brian Atlasthat is so rude for your woman I don't give a [ __ ] I don't care I disagree with that look what he's done people um do you guys think it's it's less and I don't like the beta Alpha thing I don't

Brian AtlasI don't use that kind of language really but just for simpl Simplicity sake do you think that it would be so-called

Brian Atlasless Alpha to be unwilling to die for your wife or girlfriend would it be would it be a you'd be a beta male yeah starting with

Natalia Tayloryou it's hard to say because like Alpha is so like animal kingdom and animal kingdom is all about survival we are and so if you want to survive as an alpha

Aspenmale then you would not want to take the bullet and that's that is kind of a good point well that's that's kind of a little bit my argument Lions the that's what the male lion is for is to like

Brian Atlasdefend the girls no the female lions F HT the females hunt but the it's when another male lion comes in the right well and actually just just one

Brian Atlasthing on the whole Alpha Beta thing this originated in a like someone who did a study on wolves but it actually was totally debunked um there's there's more Nuance

Brian Atlasto this whole the the um categorization in wolf packs for example than Alpha yeah it's not so easily broken down into

Brian Atlasjust Alpha and betas but it is somewhat helpful a little bit but so do you think it's beta beta or less Alpha to totally

Brian Atlasnot want to take a bullet for your girl um quick answers if you can yes no just call me a beta Brian

Ali Hardestyjust do it I don't care okay yeah I do think a little bit okay beta Brian beta Brian I kind of see your point just because if you're an alpha then you might have like more to lose per se you've accomplished more in your life

Nicolelike you have this podcast you're successful I'm not calling I'm not calling myself just to be clear not calling myself an alpha I'm just saying like I could see your point of view on that I'm not saying I agree or disagree but but one could argue because he's

Nicoledone all that you know he's already accomplished it so that's true that is true huh beta beta I I honestly wouldn't say say

Brian Atlaseither or okay yeah I I I all right not my preference but I don't think you're a beta for having that decision so cuz this occurred to me right like CU a lot of people in the chat and maybe it's not your position that this would make

Brian Atlassomebody less alpha or beta but like let's think of some conquerors throughout history do you guys know genas Khan no okay genas Khan he was

TTSlike in the 12th century or something he had 14 wives of high rank I I I got these notes oh my God God damn it

TTS$200 father brings home 250k plus a year and the mother is unemployed without any educational background who should really take the bullet for the future of the children alphab

Brian AtlasBrian right I mean if you've already had kid I mean in no scenario do I do I think the man takes the bullet uh but if the guy's the bread winner he's more

Nicolecapable of protecting the children he's more capable of providing for the children assuming he's the bread winner so well okay but let's say it's the opposite and the rules were reversed and it was the male who was unemployed and the wife was bringing that money would

Andrew Wilsonyou would have a stronger argument for the at least one argument for still not willing to say that it's a stronger argument because then we're deferring away from outcomes which is what Brian's

Andrew Wilsonposition is initially anyway is that the outcome for single parent homes generally speaking for men is better than it is for women so even then even with that push back he would still have

Brian Atlasto take that in consideration so I still wouldn't consider that to be a great counterargument yeah anyways hold on hold on I I'm going to bring it back going to bring it back

Brian Atlashere so genas Khan he had 14 wives of higher rank I googled this he had many lesser wives it's estimated he had

Brian Atlasanother 500 concubines who also bore him children wow um genas Khan you know founder and con of the largest contigous

Brian AtlasEmpire in history um I suspect if he had this dilemma of he had to sacrifice his life for one of his

Brian Atlasdozens of wives right do you think would he be a beta male because he didn't want to die for one of his many many wives I think we all know that he didn't care

Andrew Wilsonabout those exactly but does that so I mean you could argue gang is KH I'm not so sure that Andrew do like a presupposition here for me I'm not sure that I'm willing to he didn't care about

Brian Atlasthem yeah yeah he probably did not willing to conce well put Andrew he probably yeah he probably cared about them would he sacrifice his life for one of

Brian Atlasthem probably he'd just be like I got like 50 let me just get another one I don't think that that is right on gas KH part wait hold on we're upset about genas Khan

Nicolebecause I think there's other things there might have been other things this a moral man could have other things you know the Conquering huh sorry what I was basically just saying like is this a

Brian Atlasmoral man like you know he his yeah I mean if depend is Mike was he moral mik makes prob not yeah that's what I'm saying I I don't know gang ish I don't

Nicolewant to be how sex worker going to talk about who's moral like what she is not a raise your hand if you're a sex worker be clear feel like you just kind of Z

Andrew Wilsonout and then come back don't smoke another cigarette can't call anybody else cigarettes are going head but I got to ask like when you ask this question of morality I not there's

Andrew Wilsona Christian I see there is a Christian I see so she's she's not a relativist she probably has some standard justification for morals but like you guys are probably relativists right so why would

Nicoleyou say is a moral man or not so I what's that I'm also a Christian so my morals are based on biblical values fism okay that's where that's where you

Andrew Wilsonjustify your morality then on God yeah okay got you so um moving over though to the next gal when you said is this moral or this

TTSnotal is grid One Motorsports donated $200 blood the bloodline must be preserved girls like the who in the second seat are not worthy evending the bloodline of a man willing to take a

Demi Hawksbullet for others do the right thing and step in front of of it why was the man's bloodline be preserved but not the one like aren't I

Brian AtlasRichard Dawkins wrote a book called The Selfish Jean oh my go and I think there is something look it would be selfish but if you could argue the most out thing gangas Khan

Brian Atlas[ __ ] she takes the bullet I can just find another wife have seven children with her if she dies seven children with the next woman seven children with the next woman that works for think a woman

Demi Hawksis going to want though continuously moving on to the next woman like that's kind of a ho ass mentality to be honest with you call a ho I'mma live I'mma survive so like going to back to the

TTScomment that was previous or whatever where um like if were to move on right away donated $200 you've invoked inv grind hold on before I have you make is

Andrew Wilsonthat the one I called an incel you called GD one you did call him an incel let me read some of these chats you did call this happily married man with many children an Insel well he clearly hates women so I just I think you well I think

Andrew Wilsonyou hate men and you're a misandrist we'll just make generalities back and forth why would you why would you think I hate men why would you think that he hates women he just made it up right

Andrew Wilsonwell he's calling a [ __ ] for Lord knows what I mean just started there's not no reason you started by attacking him personally so he attacks you back personally you can't cry

Andrew Wilsonfoul did he attack her person he did attack us knows started uh he's the really what did he say that actually was a personal attack to you in his first Super Chat he made a comment and I

TTSresponded to the comment you don't even remember what he said do you there's been mle you don't remember what he said so so what happened is One Motorsports donated

TTS$200 of course these girls expect a man to take a bullet for them so they can step over his corpse and move on to the next swinging deck do not expect a man to be a bullet magnet when you are a

Andrew WilsonDeen a little he did not he not personally attack you hang on so he did not personally attack you at all that's a replay of his of his comment he did not you personally attacked him and so

Brian Atlashe responded in kind now you're crying foul you did make a bit of an escalation it was his comments a bit abrasive but you did escalate it by calling him an incel okay it's okay though we're all

Andrew Wilsonfriends we're all friends here it's all good yeah I mean I don't take any of his it doesn't bother me I'm just pointing out I'm just pointing this out so that you understand let's let's move away from The Meta conversation let me get

Natalia Taylorthrough a couple chats here uh what is wrong with you girls actually Natalia what is wrong with you girls I have two and I think your fathers are

Natalia Taylordisengaged Andrew help me Paulie question mark WTF you idiot ACC good it's good now we have another one that's about to come up if I could have you read this one thank you

Natalia Taylorpicco Stein great to see you back Andrew congrats on the plaque Brian why do why do women say they aren't sex objects but the number one profitable occupation is

Brian Atlasbeing a sex object bad po ban porn and save Society B porn Okay uh thank you Dylan loly for that appreciate it man we have

Natalia Tayloranother one coming through if you can read this one I would jump in front of a bullet to save a child I don't even know I certainly would do the same for my gal I

Natalia Taylorexchange for I exchange for my assigned risk she has to defer to me in reducing risk so I don't have to very well said I agree with that thank you big thank you

Aspenfor the message big can you talk about that can you like what's your opinion on if you should jump in front of a bullet for your wife or not well so I have a different worldview than Brian does I'm

Andrew Wilsonan Eastern Orthodox Christian I follow Christian ethics so an ethical system I was enjoying the initial answer by the gal with the ginormous Blue Cross on her

Andrew Wilsonchest where she said that there is a representation of how men and women are supposed to act as representations of the church not only in marriage but also in Greater Society but I also enjoyed

Andrew Wilsonyour answer when you were talking about the ontological differences and that there's greater duties between men and women the reason I'm testing your guys' logic is because I seem to note that you understand that the men have higher

Andrew Wilsonduties but I'm I'm not so sure that you understand what yours are so my take on this is of course for my wife I would absolutely uh lay down my life and I already have essentially right I've spent most of my adult life taking care

Andrew Wilsonof her and I've spent my entire adult life taking care of my children as well so uh I would say that that's already laying down the time of my life to take care of that but yeah I would also

Natalia Taylorphysically do this but I follow a different ethical system and um so that's May I I know the the verse that I quoted earlier about the husband's role

Natalia Taylorin the marriage the women's role I think it's important to talk about as well because it says the husbands must love their wives but women respect your husbands and so that's like um well that's not that's not what it says it

Andrew Wilsonsays that you need to submit to your husband yeah it says respect and that's not respect that submission is different that's that's an overage right there so there's more to it than just respecting

Andrew Wilsonsubmission does not just mean respect that means submission and that's something which is absent in society and that's why guys like Brian refuse to take a bullet for women because they

Andrew Wilsonrefuse to submit to patriarchal Authority and if they did he would be far more inclined to do so that's why by the way he would do it for his children he would do it for his children because they see him as an authority a

Andrew Wilsonpatriarchal Authority in the household and so he knows that that's his greater duty but why would he have a greater duty to women who don't submit that well I agree well I completely agree and you're right it

Natalia Taylordoes say that and and I think that's a huge reason why a lot of women nowadays you know like there are issues with women not or not submitting to their significant other or their husband or

Natalia Taylorsubmitting to the wrong people and I think that's how a lot of women get to where they are today is because they've submitted to the wrong the wrong person and they've been hurt and so there's been a response to okay well that must

Andrew Wilsonbe what where I went wrong when well I'm not confident that I believe your framework that the reason that there's so many of these women who are damaged is because they refused to submit I would actually counter that the reason

Andrew Wilsonso many of them are damaged is because uh they wouldn't do it right they wouldn't actually submit that's what I think is going on I don't think that they embraced submission and had a bad time I think that the opposite is true they refused to embrace submission and

Andrew Wilsonthat's what gave them the bad time for instance when we go around this table the reason we got all the lifetime stories from everybody and made sure that we could get down why it is that you guys uh you know what your occupations are and the different things

Andrew Wilsonthat you believe do you think for instance that the G in the blue the only fans worker do you think that she's going to be submitting to a man anytime soon cuz I don't think she is in fact she pretty confidently said no she doesn't even she's not even interested

Andrew Wilsonin marriage not interested in children she not interested in any of that there's no interest in submission so I don't think it's a submission issue I think it's a will issue it's they're willful and they're disobedient and they're disobedient in so

Andrew Wilsonhang on I'm almost done they reject patriarchy and I think that that is the kind of fundamental cause of these flaws you're interested in being submissive yeah I would quit only fans oh that was going to be my question so for example

Brian Atlashypothetical if me and you were dating and I said don't like that you're doing only fans I want you to delete it right now would you do it and you were like totally in love with them I mean I would need to survive so I couldn't you know

Brian AtlasI'd have to figure it out but in theory yes I would do that I would have no problem doing that all right let me read one chat and then we're going to get into finally we'll get into the man verse bear the main topic of

Natalia Taylortonight Natalia can you read this for us pleas why do women think who hurt you is an intelligent comeback of course it was a woman many me women these days are

Natalia Taylorselfish narcissistic scrumpets don't care about their actions should should embarrass you thank you Nickelodeon I think this was maybe directed at you because you said who hurt you was that

Andrew Wilsonit should embarrass me but it just doesn't I like I wanted to uh to just interject I I looked this up just to make sure that you were um you were clear on this it's Ephesians 22 wives

Andrew Wilsonsubmit yourselves unto your own husbands as unto the Lord for the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church and he is the savior of the body

Andrew Wilsonmeaning that submission in all ways to the husband you're supposed to liken it as you do unto the Lord which means the same way that you submit to God is the same way you're supposed to submit to your

Andrew Wilsonhusband rest have a Godly husband I just want to ask this question real quick Y what would be the restrictions that you would put on a submission to God nothing nothing and and it even said

Natalia Taylorand it even says later in that verse that even if your husband is not a Godly Man your submission will prompt him to become a godly man because he'll he'll he'll take heart and and want to be a

Natalia Taylorgood leader to your relationship want to be a good leader to your family and so I think what you're the point you're getting at is why does it not start with the woman why should the woman not be the first one to submit and then the husband follows I think that I

Andrew Wilsoncompletely agree with you if that is your point well no I guess my overarching point would be the first thing that you said which is if you want to see the kind of flaw in the logic um

TTSthe submission if you want the man to do the best they possibly can for you take a things like this you $200 Andrew out here spit in Hot Fire

TTSLord of The Crucible what books should I read that would bolster my skills in debate and further my understanding of logic and reason pen ready do you want Andrew do you want to finish your point

Andrew Wilsonand then answer this so so um so so yeah back to this I guess my overarching point instead is that if you really wanted to see a reflection of the uh

Andrew Wilsonchurch as the man is the head and the representation of Christ and the woman the body is the representation of the church then submitting to him like you would unto the Lord if they if you if you make the Bold claim there's no

Andrew Wilsonrestriction to the submission you would give to the Lord God isn't it telling you to do the exact same thing here and wouldn't you say that that's why you have such societal decadence how can you look at a man like Brian for instance

Andrew Wilsonand be angry with him if he says there's no possible way I would ever lay my life down for a woman unless I had what Ephesians 22 is talking about about how could you even blame him you know what I

Natalia Taylormean how could you even blame him I don't I don't yeah but I also but I but I also say what what if what if Brian found a woman I still kind of blame him

AspenI do because I think he should still choose to take responsibility wait when you say responsibility what do you mean like it doesn't matter how the girl is acting you should still be taking responsibility holy [ __ ] just to be

Aspenclear doesn't matter it doesn't matter how my husband is acting if I had one doesn't matter how my husband is acting I should still be submitting what yeah but the point but actually this is

Andrew Wilsoncounterintuitive to your own logic right so what if you're not submitting what if you're not submitting what if who's not you you well I should

Andrew Wilsonbe yeah but if you're not though then he should still take responsibility right okay so do you see the whole the gaping hole in your logic here I see G in your logic is that you do not have hang on

Andrew Wilsonhang on let me finish the point and then you can you can respond I promise the whole in the logic though is to say that wait he should still be acting as though you are a submissive wife when you're

Andrew Wilsonnot being a submissive wife that is insane to me that's counterintuitive well I guess I didn't really mean that watch I

Aspenguess yes I would like to reframe please okay I would I think that uh that doesn't change his role in how he should be leading somebody how do

Andrew Wilsonyou lead somebody doesn't submit to your leadership how do you submit to somebody who's not leading properly exactly well I mean the problem is is that you don't let's say for a second uh that you join

Andrew Wilsonthe military okay uh you have an expectation that you're going to do what it is that you're expected to do and if you don't there's consequences to that that is part of leadership so if the

Andrew Wilsonconsequence to this is to say for instance hey if you're a disobedient and non-s submissive woman non-s submissive wife the last thing I'm going to do is put myself In Harm's Way because my children are still going to need me

Andrew Wilsonthat's actually extremely reasonable and a rational response to that isn't it so who goes first yeah can you tell me what the writing well women so the thing is is you're supposed to take the plunge

Andrew Wilsontogether right that's point but as a relationship progresses what we see more more often than not is that women initiate divorce and they initiate for theid re and they initiate leaving

Andrew Wilsonrelation for some of the stest reasons possible that's the opposite of submission so if they're looking at it we can make a good determination that women may start out submitting and then decide arbit based on arbitrary means

Andrew Wilsonthat they don't want to anymore that's the whole point right so what is a man supposed to do when he has a woman that's not being submissive well that's what the protestantism generally doesn't give you this but that's what the ecclesiastical

Andrew Wilsonauthority of the church is for the authority of the church you're not supposed to have a the marriage of the state doesn't mean anything it's totally irrelevant it's nonsensical there's no support for it that's why yeah there's

Andrew Wilsonno groundwell Community Support the ecclesiastical authority of your church is supposed to be that groundwell and Community Support which helps prevent that from happening but within a secular framework they don't have that and so

Andrew Wilsonwhat ends up happening is these relationships basically get iced the second a woman sees that hey this guy over here makes a little bit more money he's more handsome and he's into me they tend to leave their husbands for that

Andrew Wilsonguy or for other arbitrary reasons whereas the church would provide massive quantities of Shame from the community that they grew up in and that's why that stuff the church would provide shame is that what you said yeah of course like

Andrew Wilsonthey would shame her into staying in a marriage no they would shame they would shame her from stepping out for arbitrary reasons I see holding her accountable like you're not her exactly holding her accountable saying listen how can you

Aspenhave these expectations that your husband makes these grandio sacrifices for you including taking a bullet when you won't even submit to him so what what would you say to a couple that is married where the wife's not submitting

Andrew Wilsonto the guy what like what advice would you give that man that that that [ __ ] chick needs to behave and submit what do you mean that's exactly what I you need to behave or what or she should take a

Andrew Wilsonyou need to follow what your what Your Role is probably already told now if you don't have that if you don't have a Christian marri my advice for you is why even get married it's the stupidest thing on planet Earth that's my I mean that's my

Andrew Wilsonquestion but I still think that people should get married because it's it's a the right thing to do if it's why is it a right thing to do out absent a religious marriage Well I this is a

Aspenquestion that I have for myself can you make can you make a single reason why a secular person should actually get married because there's a design behind

Aspengetting getting married and I don't but I I'm asking because I genuinely question like if people don't have a real relationship with God what is the point in getting married because

Aspenthe entire point is that's what I that's my point to you no I'm okay but I'm saying that I still think that it's the right thing to do is to get married yeah

Aspenbut why um because the wrong thing to do is to continue to have sex outside of marriage yeah but I mean both both are

Andrew Wilsonwrong the thing is is from a secular a sec from a secularist perspective right they're not doing anything immoral they're not Christians so from their perspective why in the world would it

Andrew Wilsonwhat would be the advantage to a state marriage for a secularist there there isn't any there's no advantage to a male in a secary marriage can you name one taxes no not even cuz if you get if you yeah I I don't think that that's a good

Andrew Wilsonreason and I don't think that that really benefits you at all but no uh it doesn't well we need to fix this yeah but we can't fix it unless

Andrew Wilsonpeople submit to antical Authority and people will refuse to submit to an ecclesiastical Authority especially women seemingly consequences for women are not a thing that they like to see

Andrew Wilsonhappen and so they prefer to go through the state rather than a church ecclesiastical marriage because then they have some kind of safety net and so what's happened in in is inverted right

Andrew Wilsonnow Society gives incentives to women to leave men which is crazy the opposite should be true they should give them disincentives for leaving yeah I

Nicoleagree can I ask just for conversation sake I'm not putting an argument forward but what is a benefit that and I know you're going to say like alimony or

Andrew Wilsonwhatever but men can also receive alimony well men are typically the bread win what we find what we find is if if you were say for instance in Secor

Andrew Wilsonmarriage that 50 there was a 5050 percentile of the time that um you know men were awarded uh custody and that men were awarded alimony men were awarded these things you might have a good point

Andrew Wilsonthere but that's not what we see what we see is that the court system is very biased towards women it has been for years it's starting to get a little bit better due to men's rights advocacy groups being out there and due to

Andrew Wilsonprobably the red pill sphere in general has been helpful towards that but that is not what you see and so from a secular perspective if you're a secular man you're a non-Christian man what in the hell would be your incentive to get

Aspenmarried when you can uh just shack up with a chick and have all the same benefit yeah and that's part of the problem is that sex is so available to guys why would they get married well put

Andrew Wilsonthere's no need good well put so then so then Brian stance again I guess bringing it all the way back tying it all the way back is completely reasoned and rational

Andrew Wilsonhe says there's no value in marriage therefore it can't really even be his wife even if they are married so he doesn't value putting his life on the line there is no submission which can possibly happen because there is no

Andrew Wilsonecclesiastical Authority from a secular ethic I I don't know how you fight against that because it's just objectively true yeah yeah we got to fix that I think it's very real and honest

Brian Atlasuh couple quick things we'll finally we got we got to get into this bear [ __ ] the man vers bear we're getting there Andrew really quick Gerald did ask you he was asking about what book should I

Andrew Wilsonread that would bolster my skills in debate and further my understanding ofic I need to ask him fiction or non-fiction and I know that that's kind of a cheap low blow because I'm basically telling you to send in another Super Chat but

Andrew WilsonI'm going to be elitist Andrew tonight and I expect you to send in another Super Chat so I can tell you fiction or non-fiction do you want uh just should we do just three for both or are we

Andrew Wilsongonna be go should we be gobl no no no no I'm being elitist Andrew tonight sending in another Super Chat and then I'll answer fiction or nonfiction Jer I've been trying I've been trying that lately

Brian Atlasyeah fiction or non-fiction and then when you send in the next one I'll be even more hyp specific should we just to be do we do a champagne pop if he sends in the TTS yes

Brian Atlasdo we do we should we should because it is I feel like it's a little goblino a little Goblin to be like send in another TTS and we'll answer but uh really quick

Andrew Wilsonon your thing I mean you didn't ask him to and I'm a guest I can you know gu true wipe the mud off on the floor right because guess I if it was directed at me Gerald I would have I would have answered um we can't unfortunately we

Brian Atlascan't force we can't force Andrew answer those are the circumstances though there's the all right um really quick you said that you

TTSdisagreed with me because the responsibility I should still uh take the bullet what was your what did you say like oh oh my God General donated

Brian Atlas$200 both both but I like your style is it a I don't know if it's is that a champagne pop think got to do a champagne Pop I mean he played he played

Andrew Wilsonalong pretty well right like all right he played should we do it uh Andrew you want look how excited

Andrew Wilsonthey are by the way book book Rex okay so uh surprisingly one of the non some of the non-fiction books that I would recommend I would

Andrew Wilsonstart with um so you get a good understanding of libertarian arguments and then you can reject them all um or from a fiction standpoint I would go

Andrew Wilsonwith Terry Goodkind um it's those are excellent books um also on the fiction side of course um you may not believe this but Lord of the Rings will help you because trying to understand is

Andrew Wilsonnarrative building you're trying to understand how to frame worldviews and frame narratives uh then on the

Andrew Wilsonnon what's that we're all scared we're popping bottles don't the cameras then on the on the nonfiction oh my god um I would actually I would recommend that you go over to the

Andrew Wilsonpatristic faith uh there's some books there by father Deacon ananas that will help you immensely when it comes to argumentation I would also read all of the books that you possibly can by a gentleman named Aaron Clary I don't know

Andrew Wilsonif he's ever been on the whatever podcast but if he hasn't he definitely needs to be because um he's been a Powerhouse in the red pill Community uh for a long time or what is considered

Andrew Wilsonthe manosphere I'd highly recommend that he go on manosphere um he has great books including the book of numbers and books which are in regard to what would happen if men disappeared from the economy tomorrow

Andrew Wilsonuh those are fantastic and then Jay Dyer also has several books which will help you with arguments as well from the Christian Perspective if we're going to get into detailed philosophy we can get into that too but it's going to cost you

Aspenanother $200 no $600 you know you can do this yo this one's [ __ ] I swear to God

Brian Atlasbro I believe in you I'm really you did so good last time what do you mean it's fued it's not coming off bro I'm doing I'm doing the thing it's just GNA explod

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Demi HawksNick can you do we need an alpha an alpha male an alha Nick Nick Nick Nick I swear covering his face oh God don't point it

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Brian Atlasthat and [Music] just oh it was so easy for I loosened it I loosened it Nick right I loosened it it was like almost

Brian Atlasit was ready to go I just that was weird I got these dainty gamer hands bro it's [ __ ] genetics [ __ ] all right uh everybody want to little champen wait so what did Gerald

Demi Hawkswhat was it he wanted something more he wanted me to get a little bit more hypers specific oh did generous yeah with particulars son of a [ __ ] in so I actually had my wife bring him down this is one of my favorite

Andrew Wilsonit's the story of Philosophy by Will Durant sh and this goes into a complete overview of some of the greatest philosophers on planet Earth and their main stat for their arguments but also tells you a little bit about their

Andrew Wilsonpersonality so that you can understand why it is that they came at those worldviews the way that they did uh this one from Aaron Clary was another one that I highly recommend a world without

Andrew Wilsonmen highly recommend that and then dogmatic theology this one is by by uh Vladimir Losi so I don't know if I was allowed to actually show those because of like

Andrew Wilsonmaybe brand stuff but he he did ask for the questions that okay Brian oh to show to show the book covers yeah oh like and then also for arguments against feminism

Andrew WilsonI would highly recommend of course Rachel Wilson's book ult feminism her new upcoming book which will be released at near the end of the year or I think even she may have said at late summer is

Andrew Wilsonliterally going to be called argument against feminism so highly recommend I think she's going to put that out for pre-order soon nice good times good times does everybody have some cheers

Andrew Wilsonfolks also thank you for the great 600 and supporting whatever they've often had me on as a continued guest I think I'm the longest lasting male guest onever most Andrew where's your liquor

Ali HardestyAndrew where's your liquor you got some right here man I got vodka we're ready to go uh let's cheers to to Gerald polar bears oh okay never mind to polar bears

Brian Atlaskoala bears too koala bears cheers and to Gerald bear to Geral cheers thank you for the champagne thank you pop tasty you got like a two for one you

Brian Atlasgot you got a two for one combo there you got a discounted heavily discounted shame champagne pop so Salo okay on to almost on

Brian Atlastwo guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drops a follow in the prime sub do you shave your arms Brian stop no actually one time when I was in high school were you on the swim team I was in the I was on

Brian Atlasthe wrestling team and the all the other wrestlers would like I did I did the legs too and [ __ ] I think swimmers shave their legs we get a picture no because I was everybody on my

Nickteam everybody on my wrestling team in high school they would be they would literally like intentionally like rip your hair out on your legs so I was like shave that [ __ ] off so you you shaved

Brian Atlasyour legs for the wrestling team and and I did I did all body hair bro all body hair dude they was dude the [ __ ] the what what's it called The Hazing The

Brian AtlasHazing on the wrestling team was so [ __ ] intense I was like bro I got to get rid of huh what was it no they would when youest they' like rip your like the like when you were wrestling the people well

Andrew Wilsonthat would happen naturally they just like they'll just mess with you right so go out you'd be you could just be in the in you know the locker room they might reach over and rip some leg hair out just for fun right yeah the leg hair

Andrew Wilsonthat you can just like what men's men are brutal like they're brutal especially when it comes to team building like that they do [ __ ] like that all the time yeah well the [ __ ] the [ __ ] that went down in when I was in

Brian Atlashigh school would never [ __ ] fly they used to leave on each other with Twizzlers oh we did and like would not be allowed guy things anyways um so yes

Brian AtlasI did I did shave my legs one time it was the weirdest feeling ever how about growing back did that suck was a super itchy it was pretty weird are you weird never anyways twitch guys go to twitch.tv whatever drop us a follow in

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Natalia Taylorchat uh hold on let me pull that up Natalia can you read these read this the greatest Saint

Natalia Tayloraier is not feeling it is a very aape Agape Agape what does that mean it's a type of uh like isn't it submission

Natalia Taylorsubmission is a is a higher form of love being thrown away a marriage should a throwing away a marriage to feel in love submission is a higher form of love been

Andrew Wilsonthrowing away a marriage to feel in love thank you thank you realistic heart appreciate it uh so just to um that's a longtime supporter of The Crucible if

Andrew Wilsonyou don't mind Brian I can I can explain what he was saying there is he's saying that submission is the ultimate form of love it transcends a feeling so there can be times where in marriages and you

Andrew Wilsonknow this you're married and if you don't know it yet you will that there can be years where things can be Rocky and tough due to maybe work schedules or um you know children's needs or things

Andrew Wilsonlike that and sometimes you have to literally go through hell yeah and the remembering that the feeling the butterfly feeling of love can come and go you can transcend that with

Andrew Wilsonsubmission understanding that understanding that you can move back to that and that um and that that's that's kind of the ultimate form of love is what he's saying if I may I know we're

Andrew Wilsongoing to talk about the Bears I'm sorry but if I may say one last thing um when you may not you may not okay go ahead just Kidd when when I

Natalia Taylormet my husband or like when we started dating I was not attracted to him I literally just heard I I heard God tell me this is your

Backgroundhusband submit to him I know that sounds that sounds crazy did you hear the voice did he come down he said you will marry him is that how

Natalia Taylorit went came in a burning no no not at all it was it was a feeling it was a it was a still Small Voice in inside my mind inside my heart and I knew that there that we had a

Natalia Taylorfuture together and I knew that the way that he appeared during that time wasn't how he would always be and that he would grow into the man that he was meant to be so when I submitted to him and I showed him you know even though I'm not

Natalia Taylorattracted to you right now I know you're going to transform later on and I know that both of us like we had a glow up together did you tell that it was really beautiful I I say to his face would you say that you him into what it was that

Natalia Tayloryou I know I'm not attracted to you right now yeah he knows but sorry what was you you molded him into what it was that she wanted no no are you sure it sounds sounds like a little bit of

Natalia Taylormolding going I invented him no I'm kidding but yeah so I agree with you when you say like submitting is the highest form of love because it denies

Natalia Taylorfeelings it denies the fleshly desires that we have as humans to to submit to our feelings and feeling are real but

Brian Atlasoften they lie so Fishel beautiful it was good it was good okay bears bear bears beats battar

Brian AtlasGalactica all right so guys this has been going viral we did touch on it wait what beats Battlestar Galactica no bears beats battar

Brian AtlasGalactic guys nothing beats battle store Galactica but anyway the vegetables so yeah talking talking about the vegetables beats uh so

Brian Atlasguys this has been going viral we talked about it a little bit last show but I think we got to bring it back up we got to bring it back up so there's all these stories Nick scroll down just a tad yeah

Brian Atlasso and you all these It's Been Everywhere other tab Nick other next Tab and scroll down get to the third page on this get to the look at all these articles about man or

Brian Atlasbear viral HP hypothetical question blah blah blah oh my God it's the people are making tick toks it's just gone insane all this bear and man talk so going

Brian Atlasaround the table going around the table the question is would you rather be stuck in the woods with a man or a bear

Brian Atlasgo ahead that's attacking you just oh my God just sorry answer the question starting with you go ahead a

Demi Hawksman I think a man a man oh [ __ ] yeah well I have a reason why just like do I have all my regular stuff on me what do

Demi HawksI have pepper like if I was in the woods and I had pepper spray on me I think that's going to be more effective against a man than a whole bear spray no no no you just oh it's just me by myself

Andrew Wilsonyou don't you don't you don't have you don't have guns and you're not John Rambo I would take the bear it's just you against the elements and that [ __ ] I

Ali Hardestywould take the bear the bear okay what about you I guess the man you you guess the man I mean both don't sound very fun but um I understand people's argument I

Aspenknow where you're going with this okay what about you I pick the man it depends what kind of why the hesitation because I have a billion things running through my

Aspenbrain okay if it's a koal bear 100% the man no questions asked apparently oh [ __ ] what I can change mine I can change mine to the bear I was going either way I said the bear I said the

Andrew Wilsonbear reframe the question so we can go around the table again if you don't mind humoring me here Brian yeah if you had if you were if you knew that you were going to be in a in a

Andrew Wilsonplane accident somehow you had a crystal ball and you were in the middle of a forest you had essentially no supplies would you rather be stuck in the forest

Andrew Wilsonwith a bear or a man who you did not know are we going around again yeah oh a

Demi Hawksman a man a bear because a man that I don't know could be very unpredictable in a bear like it can be unpredictable

Demi Hawksbut if you leave Bears alone they will more likely leave you like the man's not necessarily going to

Aspenattack me but he could do what type of bear is it you don't know the worst kind but look let's assume let's assume it's

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