NEVER Had A Boyfriend At 38/33?! VlRGlN Until 26?! Brian CONFRONTED On Marriage?! | Dating Talk #272

Date: 2025-12-08

Duration: 7h 11m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBella (Pre-Law)>

SSabrina (Diabetic)>

JJacqueline Thomas >

FFelicity Hughes >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Felicity Hughes(guest)

SPEAKER_03Haley(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jacqueline Thomas(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Sierra(guest)

SPEAKER_08Dakota(guest)

SPEAKER_10Sabrina (Diabetic)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Sativa(guest)

SPEAKER_13Bella (pre-law)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

Key MomentDakota lost virginity at 26 to Olympic snowboarder

Key MomentHaley's 15-month situationship: he dates others, she's exclusive

ControversyBrian's bow/laundry expectations spark debate

Key MomentDakota's father is trans (transitioned 2016), tore family apart

QuoteSativa: abortion was biggest regret, wanted to kill herself, year of therapy

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

7 guests + Felicity.

Dakota's Snowboarder

Lost virginity at 26 to Olympic snowboarder at X Games party.

Haley's 15-Month Situationship

Seeing a guy who dates others and refuses to commit.

Bow/Laundry Debate

Brian's ex bowing video + laundry expectations.

Haley Tinder Stories

Walked home 4 hours after hookup. Date roofied himself.

Dakota's Trans Father

Father transitioned 2016. Tore family apart.

Sativa's Abortion Regret

Biggest regret. Wanted to kill herself. Year of therapy.

Marriage Debate

Brian vs Jacqueline on benefits of marriage.

Transcript

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Jacqueline Thomaslast name is who. Then you have the baby, right? Now you decide, okay, is she going to have my hyphenated last name or going to have his last name or my last name? But it's going to make no sense if if the baby doesn't have one of

Jacqueline Thomasyour names. >> Uh, well, I mean, my my >> one of your new one if her married name or your last name because you're saying the marriage is no guarantee. Yeah, sure. It's not, but once you get married, you're going to figure it out

Brian Atlasbefore you have the baby. Look, if if uh if this is like a planned pregnancy where we're I'm dating a woman, I'm together with a woman and we've made a decision that we're going to have kids.

Brian AtlasFirst off, conversation about last name has probably already happened. Although the type of woman that I would date, uh

Brian AtlasI'm highly confident that she she there would not be any dispute over the the last name of our children. Like I

Jacqueline Thomas>> freedom is scary. You never know. She could have a baby and just I I I went through all these hours of labor and he won't give me a ring. Oh >> well, this would all be deter Yeah. But

Brian Atlasthis would all be determined well in advance. I well in advance. I mean I I'm like you can have the conversation with

Brian Atlasyour girlfriend. Hey, um we're I want the children to have my last name. Like here's how here's how the conversation would probably go. I don't even think I

Brian Atlaswould need to have it, but if I did, I'd go like, "Hey, so look, we're thinking about having children. I want the kids to have our last name." And she's going to be like, "Oh, yeah, sure." That's the conversation. Like, that's the

Jacqueline Thomasconversation I anticipate I'm going to have. Absent marriage. I mean, that's a that's a big pre presupposition, but I I think that you have to be prepared for a woman to say, "Well, I will I I want to give my

Jacqueline Thomaschild." Like, I wasn't expecting her to say that her mother that her name was hyphenated. I mean, I didn't I thought based on how she was talking, >> it wouldn't be an assumption that I'm just like blindly going into like getting a woman pregnant. First off, if

Brian Atlasany woman who I'm going to want to have kids with, we're going to probably have significant alignment on values. So I again I don't even think it's going to ever be a conversation with with whatever woman I end up having children

Brian Atlaswith. She's going to probably align with my values, my kind of relationship dynamic, and it's going to be a foregone conclusion that she's going to that the kids are going to have my last name. But even if it's not so easy to just assume

Brian Atlasthat, it'd be very easy for me to just simply say, "Hey, so um we're thinking about having kids. I want the kids to have my last name, and I'm very confident that here I [clears throat] already did it, but here's how that

Brian Atlasconversation's going to go." she's going to say, "Yeah, that sounds good." End of conversation. And then if it that's not how that

Brian Atlasconversation goes, then again, it's kind of like that's just the kind of woman I would pick. Maybe I'm mistaken. But otherwise, I'm pretty confident that

Jacqueline Thomasthe conversation is going to go in that way. I've heard many a story of men in divorce court weren't talking about the name at the at the signing of the name at the hospital or who signed whose name

Brian Atlasor whose last name somebody else has. >> No, this is not a conversation you have when the woman just popped out a baby out of her vagina. The conversation is had before she's even pregnant. >> So, you're assuming that everything goes

Jacqueline Thomasaccording to plan. You're assuming that remember you said I guess I mean sure women can lie. >> Well, you you're not married. Say you get you get you find out you're pregnant and you haven't had the conversation yet.

Brian Atlas>> We're there's so you're throwing so many curve balls here. Hypothes. >> That's not a curveball. >> Well, no. The look ultimately I I don't know how how else to reiterate this.

Brian AtlasEssentially, if I'm saying the type of woman that I would that I would just de facto default be dating,

Jacqueline Thomas>> this would it wouldn't even be [ __ ] Hold on. I don't date [ __ ] li feminist 50/50 women to begin with. But

Brian Atlasif the conversation even came up, if the conversation came up, it would come up well before we decide to have kids. It's not I don't know why you're saying, "Well, the the conversation can only

Jacqueline Thomascome up after she popped out the baby." >> Well, I don't know what type of woman you're marrying that's not even a little bit covert feminist who's not going to demand. >> That might be true. If she's not demanding that you marry her, then you

Brian Atlashave to be worried that she might be a little bit liberal somewhere >> hidden that you that you haven't. >> Not necessarily. Not necessarily. >> I mean, these are all risks you're willing to take. I'm just being I'm just being real. What? >> Well, I mean, Steven Crowder married

Brian AtlasVirgin and they were Christian and she was a covert feminist. So, this idea that Christianity, religion, marriage is going to protect you from a covert feminist is complete [ __ ] Half of

Brian Atlasthese, more than half of these even conservative women are feminists. So, this idea that, okay, go date a based conservative girl, they're all feminists.

Brian AtlasI don't care. I'm going to prioritize uh I'm going to prioritize a woman regardless of her desire or not to get married. I'm going to pri prioritize uh her lacking of feminism

Brian Atlasover her conservative or Christian values. >> Are you are you Christian? I I'm So, okay. I have pro-Christian sentiment, but I'm agnostic. >> ProChristian sentiment. >> So, like

Brian Atlas>> So, you're like you're a pragmatist, like a moral pragmatist. Are you like Donald Trump? >> Well, I I don't know Donald Trump's position on this, but I can tell you my position. I'm not an atheist. I'm an

Brian Atlasagnostic. I don't know. Um my I but I think Christianity on the individual level and the societal level is immensely beneficial. However, in fact,

Brian Atlasa doctrine of Christianity is truthtelling, being honest, not telling lies. And so, I wouldn't sit here and lie because truth be told, I don't have the the actual faith in that belief.

Brian AtlasMaybe one day I'll get there. But in terms of like my assessment and views of Christianity, I think it's again very positive on the societal level and on the individual level, it's a good thing

Brian AtlasI have pro-Christian sentiment. I'm not an anti-theist. I'm not an atheist, but I am agnostic. My belief isn't there. >> So, do you and I'm just making sure I get a further understanding. So, it's like do you you don't believe in like a

Brian Atlasheaven or a hell? >> Are you are you there? Are you in those? >> I don't know. I I don't know to be honest. I >> Okay, >> that's that's being agnostic. I faith.

Brian AtlasSomebody in the chat says faith is a gift I have yet to receive. Um, so and look, I mean, I think if there was a Christian order in this country, I think that that w that would probably be a

Brian Atlasgood thing. >> You would like that >> I either like even from governance or even just like robust uh a a robust

Brian Atlasuh I don't know what the right word is, Christendom, like a robust uptick in Christianity in this country. That would be a good thing. So, you would want Christian nationalism. You would you would call for Christian nationalism.

Brian Atlas>> I don't know what that would really entail. I don't I don't know what that is, but um like if society had uh adhered to uh Christian ethics and Christian morals, that'd probably be

Brian Atlasbetter than what we have currently. >> I completely agree with that. Yeah. >> But like if you're asking me in terms of my faith, like I it's just maybe it'll come to me, >> but I don't want to lie. It's not there. I'm a trutht teller. It's not there. Well, I I

Dakota>> It would be It'd be super beneficial for me to like grift and say I'm a Christian, but I'm not going to lie. >> I' I'm the same way and I work at a very Christianbased company, but I'm I'm agnostic and I echo exactly like to the

Brian Atlastea what you've said. >> I think Christianity is a force for good >> totally >> in the US, in the world. >> But I just there's like there's a roadblock there that that maybe it'll come to me, maybe it won't.

Jacqueline Thomas>> Say I've said that exact thing. Yeah. And I I asked that be the the first half of that I asked that because you said about uh there are Christians who are covert in their marriages and they do this and you mentioned your friend and something about his wife. Then you said there

Jacqueline Thomas>> Yeah, Stephen. >> Well, and and you're right about that statistic. There is just as much divorce in the church as there is out of the church. >> The the difference is >> I've heard it's a bit less in >> it's it's just about equal. But there

Jacqueline Thomasthis is the thing. >> It's still high though. It's still high. and and your all that to say is it should be more disproportionate based on the values of Christianity. But so I'm saying to your point, yes, I I do agree with that. The difference is what is the

Jacqueline Thomasmoral driver for for half of those marriages or the the proportion of those marriages that we're talking about. You're saying, well, well, my I'm not going to choose a wife like X, Y, and Z. And I'm saying there are people who are

Jacqueline Thomasin those marriages, they have a moral driver for why they do what they do. Well, why am I getting married? Why am I taking my husband's last name? Why am I having him lead? Why am I doing all these different things? So that's that's why I said that that last part. I wasn't trying to

Brian Atlas>> Oh, no. I'm not I'm not upset or or anything like that. >> Yeah. No, but I mean just on the marriage thing, um I

Brian Atlasit's just I don't know there there's definitely like the the way it's structured legally currently in terms of divorce. Uh now

Brian Atlasjust to be clear like monogamy good having a singular partner good having children good and I but I think you can

Jacqueline Thomashave all those things absent marriage >> but marriage is a sacrament it's I I understand what you're saying but marriage call it something else marriage is in and of itself a sacrament so when

Jacqueline Thomaswe're talking about marriage we're using God's material and saying I'm just going to do do whatever I want to do well just do what you're going going to do. But remember if and again that's why I asked you about the do you believe in heaven or hell because I didn't know exactly where

Jacqueline Thomasyou where you were. We're all whether you believe in God or not we're all going to be held to the same judgment. So it's not like well I'm not going to choose that sacment.

Brian Atlas>> Again not to be like dismissive but that's not really a compelling argument towards an agnostic person. I I guess I mean uh as far as I know when you die

Brian Atlasthat's your consciousness is >> there's no heaven or hell. It's just >> it's just the how whatever it was before you were born you return to that >> nothing which is kind of scary not going to lie. >> Yeah.

Jacqueline Thomas>> But you so you believe it was nothing before we were born. You don't believe like we were knit in our mother's womb. You don't believe God put our souls in u in our bodies. You don't believe >> I already told you I'm agnostic so I I don't know. Um,

Brian Atlas>> why do you think Christian values are good though? What why did you choose those over anything else then? >> Uh, well, I mean, I think people can I that that's the foundation of Western

Brian Atlascivilization. Um, and like I think there's a lot of truth in like I I've read some uh I've I've read biblical

Brian Atlasscripture and uh there's a lot of truth and value in in in that. But um yeah, I don't know. [laughter] >> Uh what do you want me to tell you? You're talking to somebody who's

Brian Atlasagnostic. >> You're answering my questions. You're saying what >> I don't recall consciousness pri in fact I mean even when you're young a lot of people don't remember anything from their like 1, two or three or whatever. Um I would from an

Brian Atlasagnostic perspective again I don't know what actually happens. But if if I had to guess, assuming that God doesn't exist and there's no heaven, there's no hell, there's no afterlife, I would

Brian Atlasassume that you return to the nothingness from which you uh it's just nothing. >> So, we're here. We we just are randomly here. >> Look, I'm again, I don't have an issue

Jacqueline Thomaswith I'm a fan of Christianity. >> No, no, I'm I'm not going against you. I'm I'm asking I think I even told you I'm a curious person. I'm I don't know you. I'm just asking these questions so I can better PY, I'll get to you in just

Brian Atlasa sec. Py W, by the way, Pacy said last show. Oh my god, this guy. Hold on. I'll come to you in just a sec, Pacy. I just want to finish off this con. But look, I I think that whatever the experience was

Brian Atlasprior to birth, logically that would make it would make sense to me that the non-existence, the non-conciousness

Brian Atlasthat I don't know what thing what it was before I was born. It would be in the same way as a when you fall asleep and you don't recall

Brian Atlasyour dreams. Whatever that eight hours happens in that eight hours, that's it's a dark it's darkness. It's death. It's nothing. >> I don't know.

Brian Atlas>> I just >> I could be wrong though. I don't know definitively. >> But from an agnostic perspective, it would make sense that that's a possibility. And that's a terrifying thought for me. It's absolutely

Brian Atlasterrifying because I enjoy having consciousness and when I go to sleep, I hope that I'll wake up. And the idea that one day you could I mean there's other there's various ways you could die, but one day you go to sleep

Sativaand then your consciousness is gone. That to me is terrifying. >> I guess I just think nothing like nothing can't come from nothing. like it would make everything very coincidential

Sativaand I just don't like if everything is like so particular to like like the molecule like if anything was slightly offbalance we literally wouldn't exist. So >> people are saying I'm an atheist. I

Jacqueline Thomasdon't know. >> You are not an atheist. [laughter] >> I >> that's why I was asking you lots of questions because some things you did say sounded atheist and some sounded like a moral pragmatist. So you're figuring it out. Like you said, you're just you're figuring it out as you're

Jacqueline Thomasyou know, nobody's all these labels are what they are. That's why I'm asking you questions to see how >> I don't know the chat is not happy right now. The chat [laughter] look guys, I don't know.

Haley>> I don't know. >> Isn't it true that So if you believe in the big bang, do you >> like there's nothing and then somehow you

Jacqueline Thomas>> look I don't want to go too deep in theology but like look Question. Are you Orthodox Christian or what's your >> I'm a Christian. >> What? >> I'm I'm not a pro. Are you y'all would say I'm a Protestant, but we did? I'm not.

Jacqueline Thomas>> What's your What's the church? >> I'm a Christian. Like literally. >> What church? What's Are you a Presbyterian? What do you >> No, I'm not. I'm not from a product of the Reformation. I am a Christian like a biblical. So for instance, when I go to

Jacqueline Thomasworship, I go to a our church is called if on the sign the church that meets at East Shelby, the East Shelby Church of Christ or Turning Point Church of Christ. Not Not really. I didn't mean to say Turning Point. I think I just turned

Jacqueline Thomasand saw Charlie and I said Turning Point, but whatever. If the street was called whatever, that's where we the people who are members of the Lord's body. >> We meet here. We are the church. I don't

Jacqueline Thomasgo to church. I am the church. So wherever I go with my brethren, I'm a church. I am the church. I'm a Christian. We were called Christians in Antioch in the book of Acts. So I'm a Christian. I'm not and and again you would say I'm a product of the of the re

Jacqueline Thomasof Reformation. So you'd call me Protestant. But I don't call myself a Protestant. We don't call ourselves Protestants. We call >> Do you believe in the Trinity? >> The God, the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Of course. >> Okay. I don't know. I just asking some

Brian Atlas[ __ ] question. >> Um yeah, technically. Are you I forget the terms for this but um do you believe in like evolution? >> Creation. >> Do I believe in evolution or creation?

Brian AtlasWhich one? I believe in creation. >> Well, no, but I creation can coexist with evolution. >> Do we evolve as people is what or is that what you're asking? >> Well, I think there's like some there I don't know. We're getting a little

Jacqueline Thomas>> No, I I believe that God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh. >> Same. That's that's that's what a Christian believes who reads the Bible. But I mean I don't believe in the Big Bang.

Brian Atlas>> You don't believe in the Big Bang? >> No, I don't believe but but you there are Christians that can that can reconcile create uh creation and evolution. >> Well, people can reconcile a lot of things and tickle them their ears to justify things. But what does the Bible

Brian Atlassay? >> If we look if we do a literal interpretation of Genesis, Genesis >> Let's I love that. Well, so what what was it? Um I'm trying to think. >> In the beginning was the word and the

Brian Atlasword was with God. The word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things >> the order the order of how God created uh the the order of certain things. And I'm forgetting the exact details, but

Brian Atlaslike certain things came before uh like that's just not how >> Hold on. I got to I got to Google this because this is not my will. Like I'm

Brian Atlastrying to remember exactly but um like plants became in Genesis plants came before something >> you're talking about the order of creation

Jacqueline Thomas>> and that's like that kind of conflicts with the science. >> So wait which one? Oh be you're saying that because there was light or there was no sun and then there was vegetation. >> I forgot I don't know if the maybe the

Brian Atlasvegetation came before the light. I don't remember. I for I don't know. I don't even The light or the sun? >> I forgot. >> In the beginning, there was a light. The sun didn't come until later. >> After plants.

Brian Atlas>> Day one. You know the song. I don't know. Day one. >> God made light. God made clouds and skies. >> Okay. I'm going to move off of this, but I'm going to let Sorry for the delay, Pasty George, but u message from the

SPEAKER_00government of Canada. >> You're right. Day three and day four. >> George donated $2004. Jessics proves the point on why men should avoid western women or any woman

SPEAKER_00influenced by feminism in any way and look for a traditional woman in another country that has strong cultural values. >> Me. What do I do? What do I need to do? What I think they might mean I think >> I think it's you. You're chair six.

Jacqueline Thomas>> Wait, what? How do I femin What? >> You're chair six. Pasty George says W's in the chat for Py George. My good Canadian friend. Welcome back. >> Don't Don't He's not talking about me. >> George donated $200. I don't care about pasty Georgia.

SPEAKER_00>> I'm trying to stay away so I can recover and work on my book, but sometimes I can't help myself. I was curious to see what kind of nutted panelists were on tonight. Lol. >> It's good to see you, man. I was kind of

Brian Atlassad like I was like, "Oh man, Py George is gone." But like, >> hey, he tuned in. He tuned in. He couldn't help himself. Thank you, Pacey George. Appreciate it, man. Uh, it's been a it's been an interesting convo,

Brian Atlasman. Good to see you, dude. Um Oh, wait. [ __ ] I was going to ask Pasty something. [ __ ] I forgot what I was going to ask him. I

Brian Atlasdon't know. Whatever. Um, oh. Oh, Nick, can you Google here? Wait, wait, wait. Google iBook G3. And then also a different tab. iMac G3.

Brian AtlasGoogle the chat. Chat. I'm going to ask the chat a favor. Stay tuned. I need to ask you guys a favor. Uh what is what what currency is this? R what is Rubles?

Brian AtlasRupies. >> Wait, what is R dollar sign chat? What is our dollar sign? What is that? What's that? >> Images. >> Yeah.

Brian AtlasWhat is that, chat? What? What currency is that? Chat, I'm about to be a goblin. That's not true. Chat, what the [ __ ] Do you have it?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Yo, does anybody watching now there's Hold on. How many people do we have watching? We have like 4,000 on Twitch. We got four We got like probably 8,000

Brian Atlaspeople total watching. Does anybody have one of these? It's the clamshell like n >> can if somebody has one,

Brian AtlasI need one for the show >> and I want a good quality. I want like you see some of them how they're all cracked and [ __ ] I need like a one

Brian Atlasthat's in decent condition. The blue, the orange, or the green. You don't have to. I'm not saying you buy it. If anybody has one, maybe you

Brian Atlascould gift it. Maybe a little gift to the whatever. I I need one for the show. I know it sounds stupid. And then the iMac G3. >> Okay, scroll down to the Scroll down.

Brian Atlasthe one with the the >> If anybody has >> an It doesn't need to even work. Neither of them have to work. I just need one.

Brian Atlas>> If anybody has an iMac G3 and you're willing to send it to me, I'm not going to I'm not going to sell it. It's a prop for the show. Please DM me on Instagram

Brian Atlasif you have a the the iBook G3 or the iMac G3. I'll explain it when I get one, I guess.

Brian AtlasOkay. Um, what what did what was the currency? Did anybody figure it out? Brazilian. Oh, this guy's a [ __ ]

Brian Atlasscammer. Wait, hold on. Oh, whoops. 200 Brazilian dollars. How much is that? >> Like 50 cents. >> All right. Yeah, it's below the

Brian Atlasthreshold. It's got It's USD. It's USD, but um [ __ ] you. [laughter] >> Uh Damn, bro. This Brazilian guy is [ __ ] killing me here. This [ __ ] Brazilian.

Brian AtlasYou know what? >> Hey, bro.

Brian Atlas>> Copy. >> Giani Gilliermo. [ __ ] Germo. [ __ ] >> what is that actually? You in the photo?

Brian Atlas[laughter] What? What the [ __ ] dude? Is that you?

Brian AtlasOkay. All right. All right. I see how it is. All right. Thank you. Uh to the bane. To the ben. There you go. You got a little Brazilian. Wait, Portuguese. My bad. You're a little Portuguese there. All right. Uh here. Let's blast through

Brian Atlasthe notes. We got to blast through the notes here. But uh Oh, passion not matter. Do you think your passion matter? Like uh related to body count? >> Like if body count matters?

Brian Atlas>> Uh yes. >> I feel like Like like if a guy was like you told the guy your body count and he was like h

Bella (pre-law)don't want to date you because of that. >> I mean like nah like kind of but like not really. I don't know. Feel like it shouldn't determine your like value as a

Brian Atlasperson. >> Okay. Um hold on. >> What about you going around the table? >> I don't give a rip. Don't care at all.

SativaI do think that past matters. >> I think it matters to an extent. >> Yes.

Haley>> I [laughter] I I think it matters. >> It doesn't matter to me, but I understand if it's a problem for guys.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Okay, cool. Um, so going around the table, what's your body count? mine. >> Yeah. >> Do I have to say? >> You have to. >> You don't have to say.

Sativa>> You can give like >> Do you want to do a range? >> Huh? >> You can do like a ballpark. You don't have to do like an exact number. >> Okay. >> Or you can just say whatever you want. >> One to five.

Sativa>> I'm not going to answer that question. >> Ballpark range. No, not even close. >> Okay. >> I'll give you a range. In the last 20 years, it's under 10. >> Mhm. in the last like 30 years is like 25 give or take. So

Haley>> yeah, >> my husband >> Mhm. >> I don't know. I never kept track like that, but if I had to ballpark it, I'm going to go low 20s.

Haley>> Low 20s. Did you Did you like lose track or? >> No, I never kept a list or anything like that. >> Yeah. >> Multiply it by three and that's the real number >> for for everybody. For [laughter] everybody. I'm not targeting anybody

Brian Atlasthere. Uh, all right. We're going to blast through the uh questionnaire here. Or not the questionnaire, the pre-show

Brian Atlasnotes. Okay. Uh, let's see here. Hold on one sec. Um, okay. So, uh, I

Brian Atlasguess we'll go to Haley. Um, let's see. We talked about that. Talked about that. Uh, you have a ludicrous

Haleyamount of ridiculous dating stories. >> Yeah, I really do. I I wrote them in my notes app and there's some I decided I'm

Haleynot going to share, but I do have a good one on another terrible Tinder date. Um, let's see. This might have been seven

Haleyyears agoish. And I get a guy back to my place and um, so he starts acting really weird. You know, we're hanging out, having a good time. We hadn't done it or

Haleyanything, but we're talking and we're sitting and watching uh something on the TV and suddenly he starts getting really quiet and um looking over, you know, I was kind of watching whatever was there.

HaleyI'm looking over and suddenly he's like laying down in this really weird position uh kind of eyes half open and I'm poking him and proddding him and he's not responding. So, I'm getting kind of

Haleyworried like, okay, so I don't know this guy. Is he overdosing or something? Does he do drugs? Well, so um I went into the bathroom or actually wait no first I actually I I decided you know he pro

Haleylike maybe he needs medical assistance. So the first thing I did was I did call an ambulance and while they're while I'm waiting on that I go into the bathroom and I see this little vial thing with

Haleylike drops like an eyropper type thing and it turned out uh he they were like the date rape drug the you know GH G Yeah. He dude roofied himself.

Haley>> What? >> And he didn't even share. Oh, [laughter] no, no, no, no. Like, it was so weird. It turned out, you know, I actually became friends with him after that. Um, just cuz he was such an interesting

Haleydude. Didn't date him or anything, but yeah. And it turns out he he was kind of addicted. I didn't know he could get addicted to that, >> but yeah, he was he did that on a daily

Haleybasis. He would freaking roofy himself. And then he also had all this other medication. I don't know what it was. Not prescription stuff, but >> Yep. >> That's different. [laughter] That's

Brian Atlasdifferent. >> Uh, good times. [laughter] >> Yeah, it's very interesting. Yeah. Nothing bad happened, so it's just good times. >> Mhm. Um, let's see here. Um, you say

Brian Atlasmodern dating is doomed. You've used dating apps, never resulted in a relationship. You weren't catfishing people. You don't edit your pictures? >> No. >> Um, you say these romantic connections

Haleyvia internet end up being low effort on the dude's part. >> No surprise there. >> That's why I stopped doing that. Just no more. I left internet dating behind in my 20s. It just ended up being a waste

Haleyof a freaking decade. >> My prime years right there. Um, >> uh, Sierra. >> Yes. >> Uh, you dated a pilot who had what?

SierraUh, he had a wife and kids and I had no idea. Whole whole wife and kids at home. >> Okay. Damn. You had no clue about it? >> I had no idea. No. >> You dated a guy who had a girlfriend. You didn't know about it? >> Yes. That one was quick. But yeah, had

Brian Atlasno idea. >> Uh, you dated a uh man who you for over

Brian Atlasa year who uh who you ended up finding out was what? He was having sex with transsexual

Sierramen. >> So when Wait, trans trans men. >> Trans men. It is a It was a biological male who >> Oh, so trans women. >> Trans women. Yes. Sorry. >> It's okay.

Sierra>> Don't be sorry. I had no idea. >> Very confusing. Yeah. It confuses the hell of me. >> It was someone who who was a man who became a woman. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. Okay. >> Yeah. But like still

Sierra>> So he was gay. >> Yes. Yeah. I in my opinion I think he was gay. If you ask him he would tell you differently because >> she looks like a female. But >> I mean

Brian Atlas>> you can't. So you I even granting if you can change your gender, you can't change your sex. >> Two males having sex is >> meets the definition of homosexuality.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. that gay is slaying for homosexual. >> Yeah. >> So, >> yep. >> Not not a criticism. Look, if you're gay or homosexual, whatever, whatever, whatever. Live your life, but let's not

Sativapaint >> right a picture >> something as straight if it's not. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I went on a like I don't even consider it a date but we like were smok this is a long time ago but we were like smoking and he was just

Sativatelling me like past stories and he said that essentially so dating trans women he's like I would treat their penis as if it like he's like I still consider it

Sativaa woman so I still >> like it wasn't there and I'm like how do you like >> he still like he did stuff to the penis but still viewed that or the as a male

SPEAKER_09as a woman. You get what I'm trying to say? Like, yes. So, and when when he said that in my head, I was like, "Oh, yeah. >> What about trans women who've had bottom surgery? >> It's still a man." >> Yeah. No. No. I completely agree.

Dakota[laughter] My My dad is actually trans. But I I >> Yeah. How's that? I heard you say that. >> What? >> So, [laughter] he's he's a woman. >> He's trans. >> Is your dad?

Dakota>> He's transition. He's transition. Bruce, >> really? Are you the one from >> No, I'm from Los Angeles. >> Dang. How was that? Like, how was that? >> I I hate when uh people act like they

Dakotaknow what it's like cuz they have no idea. It teared my family apart. >> Um it destroyed my little sister who was still in high school at the time. Um,

Dakotahe's still an unimaginable [ __ ] as he always was before and even more so now in my opinion. Pretends like he knows what it's like to be a woman and he does

Dakotanot at all. Never had a period, never went through puberty, never has to have children. Like, you don't get it. So, don't try to understand. And to be

Dakotahonest, you know, firstwave feminism is fine, but all these, you know, feminists today um who are standing up for trans women, it's uh your argument is kind of

Dakotacollapsing on itself because you cannot be protrans women and be a feminist at the same time. Just >> Wow. >> Yeah. So, it's it's tears tore my family apart. >> It's like kind of insulting.

Sativa>> It's absolutely insulting. Like you don't you don't understand what it's like to like accidentally bleed on yourself in public. You know what I'm saying? And >> how old were you when he did start? >> This was 2016. So

Dakota>> So recently >> almost recently. >> Yeah, recently. >> Oh, >> did he show if when you look back and like >> No, he was a misogynistic [ __ ] um a

Dakotagun wielding, woman-hating, uh cheated on all of his wives, you know, you know, never took a woman seriously, never took

Jacqueline Thomasme seriously. Um, and now, you know, all of this has happened and >> what is it called? Is it called autogyophilia where it's not really trans, but they're

Jacqueline Thomasreally just attracted to the the thought of themselves as women? >> Yeah, maybe. >> Is that what that's the terminology? Is that right? Auto. >> Uh, something like that. Guys, what we're going to do, uh, we have some pizza that just came here, so we're

Brian Atlasgoing to have a little Everybody want pizza? >> Okay. >> Pizza. Thank you. >> Oh, you don't want pizza? >> Yeah, I want pizza. >> Who? Pizza. >> More for me. Yeah. >> Just give me quick yeses, please. Yes.

Brian Atlas>> I'm good for now. >> Can pass it around. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, here, here, here. I don't want any. >> Yep. >> Thank you, though. I'm good for now.

Brian AtlasUh guys, TTS. We're going to lower the TTS to $69. $69 60, excuse me. $69 TTS, guys. Get them in. Get them in.

Brian Atlas>> I thought it was fries. >> $69 >> TT TTS. [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> Uh $69 TTS. If you want to get a message in, a roast in, get it in, boys. Get it in. All right. Uh gonna finish off continue with the notes. You had some disagreements with mo with me though.

SierraWhat were those? >> Uh the first one was on the marriage. >> Yep. We talked about that. >> Unless you had like specific >> Yeah. Well, mine's different. It's not from like a a moral standpoint. It's from a standpoint of

Sierra>> logically and having been in that experience where I actually felt the same way where I didn't believe that I needed the government to tell me that my relationship was important or valid or

Sierrawhatever. And then I lost my partner and we weren't married. And the hoops that I had to jump through because of that >> really made me look at, well, if you're going to if you're going to be in a long-term relationship with someone over

Sierrathe course of your whole life and you're going to have children, >> if you're not married, especially if she's staying home with the kids and she's not acquiring social security and she's not acquiring retirement and

Sierrapension and all those other things, >> if something happens to you, she's screwed. She's she's nobody in the eyes of the government. and takes everything from you. Um, yeah, it it was it was a

Sierramess and I had to really look into it cuz I was put into that situation. And then the other side of it is like on that social security aspect of it, you're paying into the social security for a whole life. And then you've chosen

Sierrathis partner who you're going to spend your entire life with, right, in your eyes, but not married. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> And she can't take care of herself because she had no acquired social security. >> Yeah. I >> Well, I mean, look, really quick on this. Um there I understand that marriage can confer those those sorts of

Brian Atlasbenefits uh to the beneficiary. But even if you're not married, you can have a beneficiary. you can have a fi final will and testament or whatever uh that

Brian Atlascan outline you know how the breakdown is going to be there. Um, so marriage, I guess if you're married, it does confer some

Brian Atlaseasiness there. But I don't think that's a really compelling uh I what I'm hearing when you say all that stuff. And look, some of that stuff's a valid. I

Brian Atlashear me me. Men die earlier than women. You're talking about and whoever the bread winner is, typically that's the

Brian Atlasman. Again, I I'm when I'm making a an argument about marriage, I'm looking at it from the perspective of what is the benefit to the bread winner. What is the benefit to the man?

Sierra>> You you you. >> Exactly. I was just going to say same thing. >> Well, yeah. >> You want to mitigate all your risk and you want to give it to her.

Brian Atlas>> Um it it's it's a bit different. So in this case,

Brian Atlaswomen do confer benefits from marriage or the person who's not the bread winner confers benefits from marriage. What are the benefits to men

Brian Atlas>> to be married? What do you mean? >> Yeah. What what are the benefits of men? What are the benefits to men? >> Like legally or morally? >> Like when you're Okay. If if I'm anti-marriage

Brian Atlasand you're saying, "Well, here's what I Okay, I'm anti- doing a business deal with somebody and the the person tells me, well, hold on. If you do this

Sierrabusiness deal with me, I benefit, would that be convincing to the other person ever?" >> No. And I if you have if you don't have any kids in the situation, >> I can have kids out of marriage, but go

Sierraahead. >> Yeah, you can. I'm just kidding. >> But but even if you so if you have those kids in that marriage and you're wanting her to stay home with them, right? She's forfeiting her career. She's raising the

Sierrakids for 10, 20 years of time, whatever it is. Again, she's not acquiring all of that stuff. And so if something happens to you, the social security benefits, she has no say. And not only that, if

Brian Atlasyou're unmarried, those social security benefits go to nobody. >> I'm not familiar with how social security works. So when you're married, your wife gets your social security benefits. I I don't know how it works. >> So like say you're in a relationship

Sierrawith this person for 20 years. She raises the kid, you go off to work. During that time, you're paying into social security every single paycheck, right? It's like 12% of your entire

Sierraincome. And it's it's like 500,000 to 700,000 if you're a high earnner over a long period of time. That's to take care of you guys during retirement. Okay?

SierraThat's under your name. if you pass away, she has no rights to that. So, she just spent 40 years with you and she can now not take care of herself cuz she hasn't worked at all.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, look, I don't know if on one hand I can be charitable and say that the current economic order is going to be the case

Brian Atlasin 40 years. I think there's a couple things here. I don't think honestly whether you're married or not, I think social security is going to be completely gobbled up by the boomers and

Brian Atlasmaybe by a bit of Gen Z. I don't think there's going to be anything left for millennials. Or sorry, did I say Gen Z? I might have I'm sorry, I might have meant Gen X. I might have misspoken.

Brian AtlasIt's going to get gobbled up by boomers. It's going to get gobbled up maybe by some of Gen X. As a millennial, social

Brian Atlassecurity gone. Gen Z, Gen Alpha, no social security. Uh, it's not going to be there. Secondly, I do think that with

Brian Atlasthe advent of AI, I don't know how things are going to go economically. I think there's going to be in the next 10, 20, 30 years, and I I feel maybe this is like bad faith that I'm bringing

Brian Atlasit here. There's going to be so much social upheaval. There's going to be social chaos. There's going to be disorder. Um,

Brian AtlasI don't know if we have an economic solution to the mass amounts of people who are not going to be employed. I don't know what societyy's going to look like in 20, 30, 40 years due to

Brian Atlasartificial intelligence. Because the reality is there are people who just don't have the IQ to do like the jobs that will be available. If we're going to be talking about a universal basic

Brian Atlasincome or attacks on artificial intelligence, I don't know what how things are going to look economically, truthfully, in 20, 30, 40 years. Um,

Brian AtlasI don't know. I'm a little scared, not going to lie. Um, >> but pretend nothing changes. How do you answer her question? >> A lot of like this might happen, this might happen. This is happening. Assuming assuming that there isn't a

Brian Atlascomplete overhaul of our economic system due to uh you know artificial intelligence and like getting either

Brian Atlasclose to or into a post scarcity uh uh society and world uh I mean still my point about assuming

Brian Atlasthings stay the same I I don't think that there's going to be social security for millennials or uh or Gen Z or any other future generations. But um

Brian Atlasthat I'm not an expert in economics. I I don't know. But okay, to address your thing, assuming it's the case, um taking your word for it that okay, if

Brian Atlasyou're married, then $500,000 that otherwise wouldn't go to your uh wife would just get eaten up by the state. I guess is that how it is? I

Brian Atlasdon't know. I don't know. I'll take you're unmarried. Yes, >> I'll take your word for it. Yeah, that that that's interesting. And maybe, you know, assuming I make it to old age. Um, if I'm on my deathbed

Brian Atlasand I've been with my girl for however [ __ ] 40, 50 years or whatever, uh, or, [sighs] you know, I don't know, if we we've been together for a long ass time and I'm, you know, I got a couple

Brian Atlasyears left, [ __ ] it. I'll marry her so she could get the benefits. But until it's reached a point like if I'm in my 30s

Brian Atlasthe I have to weigh the risks in this case the risk of divorce is going to gigafuck me financially. So but again I'm I'm still looking for what do I get?

Sierra>> Why why not a prenup though? Like you can essentially dictate exactly what happens in your marriage in the event >> a little bit. I mean there there's some things that you can't get around in a prenup.

Brian Atlas>> Well, like for example, even if I have a contract that somebody's my slave. >> Well, yeah. >> Like a court would find that uninforceable. So, there's certain things in a prenup that would be uninforceable. >> Um reasonable. >> What?

Brian Atlas>> Why don't you just marry somebody who would never divorce you? >> Why don't I just date somebody who would um What? >> Just >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's all good.

Brian AtlasUm, I mean, do you think, wait, wait. Do you think most people go into a marriage thinking like, "Oh, yeah. I most people think this is the love of my life. We're

Jacqueline Thomasgoing to be together forever." 50% divorce rate. >> 50% divorce rate. I mean, >> I'm just testing your logic because your argument to me was, I would never marry

Jacqueline Thomassomebody who wouldn't give my child uh my last name whether we're together or not. So, here we are. Just take somebody who'll never divorce you and that solves the problem.

Brian Atlas>> Well, I think there's a difference here. I think people can have a change of uh people can change. >> That was my argument. >> No, I think it's different though. I

Brian Atlasthink uh I think if I talk to a girl and hold on, these are this is a false equivalence.

Brian AtlasSo, if I talk to a woman and she tells me, "Oh, yeah. If uh we have kids, I want you uh or I want the kids to have our last name."

Brian AtlasThat's different. Like, okay, for example, if I tell somebody that I'm going to love them forever, am I now beholden to love them forever? >> No. >> Like, people say this all the time in

Brian Atlasrelationships. I would never leave you. I I'm going to love you forever. one year later, two year, however long, people fall out of love. Circumstances

Brian Atlaschange. So, I don't think it's a fair comparison to say, "Okay, well, the woman could change her mind about the the last name of the kids." That >> how how is that different? >> It's completely different. >> We're all agents of free will. In both

Jacqueline Thomasscenarios, you're an agent of free will and both of them are presupposed that you're going to do what the other person says that they're going to do. So I'm presupposing that when I get married to somebody and I say I'm going to love,

Jacqueline Thomashonor, obey you till as long as I live and I don't do that. Well, I've what? Broken my vows to you. If I tell you I'm going to give you your my our child's last name and I decide, you know what?

Jacqueline ThomasSince you didn't marry me, I'm not going to do that there. I'm in both scenarios, you're an agent of free will, and you're able to change your mind at the blink of an at the blink of an eye. So they literally are the exact same scenario. I

Brian AtlasI don't think it's the same scenario because there's material differences. So >> So okay. Uh >> in the in the event of of

Brian Atlas>> I I mean I I can't believe I have to even explain this. >> Yeah. >> So is it technically possible if a woman tells you I want the kids to have your last name that either right before that

Brian Atlasthe the kids are born or after the kids are born she could have a change of mind. Yes. Absolutely. This is logically possible. However, I think I think there's a differential here. I don't

Brian Atlasknow if we can do a straight comparison between that and then like the very intricate dynamics of uh of relationships and the changes that can

Jacqueline Thomasoccur in relationships. >> Can I help you? In one of the scenarios where you're taking vows and you're promising to to honor somebody and to love them, when you don't do that, then you are breaking your promise. When you are not married to somebody and you have

Jacqueline Thomasa child with them, you are not beholdened to be giving the father the last name of your child. There's no legal obligation to do so. So in in marriage, >> there isn't a legal obligation in marriage either. >> No. No. To love, honor, and obey.

Jacqueline ThomasThere's no in you don't have you when you break but you break a vow. You break a vow. If you break a vow, >> everybody breaks vows all the time. >> Yeah. But no, you can't. Nobody says you can't break a vow, but you're not breaking a vow to give somebody your

Jacqueline Thomaschild's last name. You don't have to. When you break a vow and you get a divorce, there are legal obligations that you have. You're able to do it legally. You're able to split things. You're able to get attorneys. You're able to divide things. Nobody's going to

Jacqueline Thomassend you to court for not giving your child your last name. She doesn't have to do it. >> I feel like there's a degree of overthinking here. If I'm >> And again, this conversation can well predate

Brian Atlas>> well predate when she gets pregnant, when she inevitably gives birth to the child. The conversation I could have a conversation with a girl before we even have sex for the first time. Not that it'd be I I don't think

Brian Atlasthat would be a particularly sure uh I don't think it would have much of an aphrodesiac effect, but I could I could be like, "Hey, let's I want to see before we do anything, before we date,

Brian Atlasif we share values here, and I would just say, uh, hey, just curious if uh you know, we ever end up having kids, where do you lean in terms of who takes the la uh the the as far as the kid

Brian Atlasgoes, do they have my last name? Where where do you where do you land on that? Right. >> I don't disagree with you. >> Right. [clears throat] So, I can have that conversation and I guess technically it's possible she could

Brian Atlaschange her mind, but I I really don't think it it would be. So, yes, she could change her mind, but I think if a woman just >> about the changing of the mind part, that's not the part that I'm because

Brian Atlaswe've already we both agreed on that. We both agreed that you can change your mind about anything, whether you're married or not, whether the name thing >> but there I think there's a difference here. I think if somebody tells me, "Oh,

Brian Atlasyeah. If we end up having kids, uh, I want them to have your last name." I think that that seems like a more static,

Brian Atlasuh, I I I would imagine that that's a bit more static than like the nature of an ongoing relationship. That seems a bit more dynamic. >> I think that what I'm trying to say is

Jacqueline Thomasthere's no repercussion when you say, "I'm not going to give my child the father's last name." And but there is repercussion in divorce and breaking your vows. There's repercussions in so

Jacqueline Thomasmany different ways. There's no repercussion. There's no ought to when it comes to giving your child the last name. Do you see the distinction that I'm making? >> Yeah, but he could actually like change. >> Thank you for the raid, man. Thank you.

Sativa>> He can change his child's last name like later. Like you can actually like get paternity and >> Well, she's not denying paternity. She's >> No, no, I don't. No. No. So what I'm

Sativasaying is so so say that she changes her mind and doesn't want to give their child his last name, he can go to court and still change the child's last name. >> Do you know what to to change a child's

Jacqueline Thomaslast name and it varies in different states cuz I I came from Washington by the way also. So to change a child's name first or last there's it's very very hard to go through the process and and >> I personally know someone who did it and

Jacqueline Thomasthey they succeeded. It's not that you can't do it, but they both have to agree. And if they're changing the child's last name, that means she's going to have to agree unless she contests it. >> What is the hangup, though? I I don't

Brian Atlasknow. I don't understand the hangup here with the last name thing. >> The hang up with the the marriage thing. It's like, look, um, people don't get married all the time. They have kids all

Brian Atlasthe time. I don't really want to date like a 50/50 feminist woman. I don't think it's all that crazy that whoever I end up having kids with that I'm going

Brian Atlasto that that the kid is going to have my last name. It's probably going to be something we're going to talk about. But I think I'm just going to make the assumption that of the w women I would be interested in. I think it's going to be a given, but I'm happy to have the

Brian Atlasconvo just to confirm it. I What's the hangup? What's the hangup though on this? >> And honestly, that wasn't the issue. >> But when it was the hangup with with me, >> that was a response. You remember you

Jacqueline Thomassaid I gave you a reason why a man would want to marry. I I said it wasn't progyny. I could have lots of kids. I said, "But a woman is able to say when she has a a baby with her husband

Jacqueline Thomasand she's got more of an incentive to do so. And you've got more of an incentive to put a ring on her finger so that she says, "I've got his last name, so now my baby has our last name." >> Right? that this can be

Jacqueline Thomas>> but your your your response is just I'll tell her not to or I'll had that talk or I'm telling you you have to consider that she has the choice she has the choice in the hospital or wherever she

Brian Atlashas her baby she has the choice to say I the child would get my last name >> but okay hold on two things >> and more likely >> two things so uh that can be

Brian Atlascircumvented by simply one dating the type of woman who would acquies to this request. >> So marry somebody that isn't divorced to you. >> It's the same logic. >> No, no, no. >> It's the same logic.

Sativa>> It's different. >> But I know. But no, but but there's still there's still not an answer is like what's the benefit? Especially when he says take religion. Hold on. Hold on. Especially when he says take religion out of it. And I was like listening to a

Sativalot. Hold on. No, >> there was no religion that >> I know. The last name of a child is like not necessarily a benefit or or a negative cuz I mean my name's my name is hyphenated too. It doesn't really change anything.

Brian Atlas>> Let me let me just parse let me parse this super quick. Okay, so two things. First, um whether you're married or not, the woman can make can can do this thing where she doesn't give grant the last

Brian Atlasname to the children. So that can occur regardless of the marriage status whether you're married to her or not, right? and she even if you're in marriage maybe she does take your last name maybe she doesn't so the marriage

Brian Atlasisn't like a silver bullet to getting this and then the other component is I can circumvent this simply by dating the type of woman that would acquies to this

Brian Atlasor if I'm uncertain as to her position on this I simply have a conversation with her at any point prior to getting her pregnant or even while she's pregnant I guess although the ideal time would be

Brian Atlasprior Uh, I could have it on the first date. I could have it on the third. I could have it 6 months in. I could simply have the conversation and it's completely circumvented. But I guess man, what's the other thing? >> How I just don't understand how you can

Jacqueline Thomasuse that argument. All we have to do is have a conversation and that's the end. >> And to your point, I didn't when did I bring religion up? What the last? >> No, I'm saying he said take it out of >> Let me just finish this thought. Let me

Brian Atlasfinish this thought. >> Right. So I think certain things are static and some things can be more or less static and certain things can be

Brian Atlasmore or less uh dynamic. So in this case I think that if a woman tells me uh you know if a woman tells me that she really

Brian Atlasreally doesn't like um broccoli, I think I have a fair degree of probability that this is not going to change throughout our lifetime. Right? But if a woman tells me that, "Hey,

Brian AtlasBrian, I'm going to stay with you forever and I'm never going to leave you." My confidence on that statement is much lower than my confidence on, you know, like if I'm a betting man and she tells

Brian Atlasme, "Brian, I [ __ ] hate broccoli." I have like high certainty, 99% she's not going to like broccoli at any point. Whereas like

Brian Atlasit's a little less uncertain with the the constantly shifting dynamics in a interpersonal romantic relationship which are not always smooth sailing.

Brian AtlasSo I need to move it on a little bit here though. But um really quick uh the notion that dating younger women is more beneficial than dating a little bit older. >> I disagreed with that. Yeah. >> Okay. So like you're against age gaps? >> I'm not against it at all. Like I don't

Sierrasee like a >> something that's morally wrong. I do think though that when you're getting too much of an age gap and you're say and you're doing like a 20-year-old versus a 40-year-old, >> I just think that where they are

Sierradevelopmentally is very different and it would actually be not beneficial for him. Like having been a 20-year-old at one point and had a lot of 20-year-old friends and then working with a lot of them, >> they're just still trying to figure

Sierrathemselves out. They don't know who they are. They're still pretty impulsive. They're still very like egocentric in their mindset to where it's like >> Mhm. >> I'm inflexible with my way of being and and you have to essentially

Brian Atlas>> the older person or the younger person. >> The younger person. [clears throat] >> That's what I see a lot with young girls. I almost think it's more a moral. >> I'm not sure. I I'm not sure though. I I think that I think as people get older,

Sierrawhether they're men uh men or women, I think people get more set in their ways and they dig their heels in a bit. Really? >> Oh, yeah. >> Maybe I I was the opposite when I was younger. I was like still in that

Sierramindset of like rebellion kind of when I was like in my 20s and I was just like you can't tell me what to do. Like >> I'm not going to submit to you. Whereas totally different now. >> Is that youth or is that culture? >> Culture. I think it's brain development.

Brian Atlas>> I think it's culture. >> I I don't know. I mean, look, uh, look, I think I think generally speaking, when it comes to age gaps and stuff, I think the vast majority of women, young women, they typically want to date men their

Brian Atlasown age, >> like one or two years older or their age. Maybe some a 19-year-old would date an 18-year-old. I think, although I think most like 19-year-old women probably like their age or like one or two years older. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Um, so I I'm not saying, and by the way, it's not like w young women I'm not I'm never saying young women should date older men. I'm just saying I don't see an issue with age gap relationships. If a young woman wants to date an older

Brian Atlasman, I think that's totally fine. I don't think there's like a there's no like moral argument against it. And I think from the I guess from the male

Brian Atlasperspective, uh there's probably some benefits and perhaps also from the younger woman's perspective too. like a guy who's a bit older, he's a bit more established, he can be a bit more

Brian Atlasmature, he can provide a little bit better if this woman is desirous of maybe move thing moving things along a bit quicker than her peers because I mean a lot of people I'm going to wait until I'm late 20s 30s to have children.

Brian AtlasI actually don't think that that's an opt I don't think that's really optimal although that is how people are moving nowadays. I think it's better to have children probably when you're a bit younger. That could be early to mid20s at least for women. Um

Sierra>> I don't know. I feel like those girls had to have to get out and like live their lives before they commit themselves to motherhood because it is live your life like just No, I'm not talking about but that's why that's why

SativaI feel like it's very cultural. It's I don't I I think it's just because that's just what we've grown accustomed to. I think it's normal to live your life and and I actually have had a conversation like this similar where people are like, "Well, I want to have sex. I want to do

Sativathis." I'm like, "I'm not even referring to sex." I know. I'm just like saying in general it's a very cultural norm to like want to party when you're young or want to live your life. I think it is like very cultural. I don't even think

Sativait's youth cuz I mean I had two people who are really really young and I've met like 19-year-olds who are like I want to be a husband or I want to be a wife or but they were also raised in a very biblical like they're very culturally

Sativabiblical. You know what I'm saying? And so I think on I think on average most like women even like you know your age and even when I was younger my mom was not raising me to like

Sativa>> be a biblical Proverbs 31 woman. Absolutely not. I mean my mom was also 15 when she had me. So again I think it's very very cultural and kind of like what you're shown what you're taught what you're raised with that kind of

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