NEVER Had A Boyfriend At 38/33?! VlRGlN Until 26?! Brian CONFRONTED On Marriage?! | Dating Talk #272

Date: 2025-12-08

Duration: 7h 11m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBella (Pre-Law)>

SSabrina (Diabetic)>

JJacqueline Thomas >

FFelicity Hughes >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Felicity Hughes(guest)

SPEAKER_03Haley(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jacqueline Thomas(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Sierra(guest)

SPEAKER_08Dakota(guest)

SPEAKER_10Sabrina (Diabetic)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Sativa(guest)

SPEAKER_13Bella (pre-law)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

Key MomentDakota lost virginity at 26 to Olympic snowboarder

Key MomentHaley's 15-month situationship: he dates others, she's exclusive

ControversyBrian's bow/laundry expectations spark debate

Key MomentDakota's father is trans (transitioned 2016), tore family apart

QuoteSativa: abortion was biggest regret, wanted to kill herself, year of therapy

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

7 guests + Felicity.

Dakota's Snowboarder

Lost virginity at 26 to Olympic snowboarder at X Games party.

Haley's 15-Month Situationship

Seeing a guy who dates others and refuses to commit.

Bow/Laundry Debate

Brian's ex bowing video + laundry expectations.

Haley Tinder Stories

Walked home 4 hours after hookup. Date roofied himself.

Dakota's Trans Father

Father transitioned 2016. Tore family apart.

Sativa's Abortion Regret

Biggest regret. Wanted to kill herself. Year of therapy.

Marriage Debate

Brian vs Jacqueline on benefits of marriage.

Transcript

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Bella (pre-law)doing the laundry together and then when it gets to that point like I could I would do the laundry feminist. >> No, I' I'd say like not like extreme but like you should >> you want equality. You want you want I

Jacqueline Thomasmean I'm just hearing I didn't want to label you feminist but a lot of what you're saying is it needs to be equal. It needs to be equal. But I don't think you're understanding how you're describing it isn't as equal as you're thinking it is in your mind.

Bella (pre-law)>> No, I understand. So yeah, I'm just trying to like get my like I would do those actions if he would work with me on them. Like so we laundry we do like laundry together at first and then like

Sativaif I enjoyed doing the laundry and stuff and even if he asked me he's like, "Hey, can you do the laundry this time?" Obviously I would. >> Yeah. And then it'll and then all the time things will be 50/50. Just 50/50 is going to be the basis of y'all's relationship. >> It doesn't have to be 5050.

Sativa>> No, no, no, but that's what you're But that's the But that's what I'm trying to say. So, it's like, so that means like the 50/50 laundry, 50/50 dates. So, that's just that's going to be the Okay. >> I mean, I've been in relationships like that that before and it's totally fine

Brian Atlaswith me, you know? >> I I guess here's my perspective. Like, do you want a guy to lead in the relationship? >> I mean,

Brian Atlas>> well, here here's a super [laughter] I mean, here here's here's a bit of a super quick test, though. Um, and leading in a relationship is a bit different than the initiative taker, but I think these are somewhat related and

Brian Atlasinterconnected. So, do you want a guy to make the first move? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, I mean, you said you've never asked a guy out. So, I mean, it occurs

Bella (pre-law)to me that because of this de facto, you do want a guy to >> Well, yeah, but like I'm like, do you mean like asking them to like or like pushing them to make the first move or just like naturally like cuz like

Brian Atlas>> what? Well, I mean, how would So, you would walk up to a guy and be like, "Hey, you should hit on me." Like, that would be you making the first move. >> No, but like giving them the intention to make the first move. >> Well, that would be you taking

Brian Atlas>> Okay. First move. That would be you making the first move. But I mean, has that been the case for you? You're like, "Hey, buddy." >> No. >> Can you? >> No. >> Yeah. So, okay, you want a guy to make the first move. Do you want a guy? So, that could be like, "Have you ever been

Brian Atlaslike approached after a class or on school or at a party or something like this?" >> Yeah. >> Right. Um or maybe they slide into a DM or Have you had a dating app before? >> No. >> Okay. No dating apps, but you've maybe had a guy slide into your DMs. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Has that gone anywhere or No. >> Uh I I usually don't respond. >> Okay. So, you meet people organically in person. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, from there, I'm assuming, okay, let's say a guy who you do think

Brian Atlasis cute comes up to you. You want him to initiate beyond just hi. Like, you probably want him to carry the conversation a little bit. Fair. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Then I'm assuming you want him to ask for your number. >> Yeah. >> Get social media, whatever. And then he

Bella (pre-law)probably has to make the first move, text you first. >> I mean, it depends on who gets the number cuz some like I mean, the girl can the girl can ask, too. doesn't like >> do you though? >> Most of the time the guy asks for the number. >> Most of the time. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. And then from there he's most of the time the guy is going to be like, "Hey, we should hang out this day." >> Mhm. >> So something like that to that effect. Okay. From there then you meet up with him and then from there I'm assuming

Brian Atlashe's going to maybe he sets the plan. Meet me here this time. Blah blah blah. Um from there moving things forward. Um whether it's the first sec and you can watch rinse repeat the step until you're

Brian Atlascomfortable enough or whatever but moving things forward. Do you want him to initiate the first kiss? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Prefer like have you been the one who goes in or does >> I mean I feel like it's like they like have both you know.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. Girls say that but >> I don't know. It's too like >> girls like to process it. I feel like >> usually the guy is >> usually the guy going I get that you meet Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> you go into but the guy is going to initiate it. So um >> uh and then moving things forward from there physically. I'm assuming you have some expectation that the guy move things forward from there >> like phys like

Brian Atlas>> yeah physically like you know whatever you're looking up whatever. Um, okay. So, in at least in that dynamic, you do want that. I mean, that's a major component

Brian Atlasof traditional gender roles that often gets like overlooked because that's actually I personally think the burden of initiative is kind of a massive component and massive bur I don't want

Brian Atlasto frame it like a burden, but it is something that kind of uniquely typically falls on men. >> Yeah. >> Um, now for the most part. So,

Brian AtlasMy perspective is is as women if you want men to be leaders and take initiative. I think that one that ought to continue into the throughout the course of the relationship and I think most women do

Brian Atlaswant that to continue through the course of the relationship. But if you want a guy to be a leader, you need to be a follower. Like I can't lead somebody who like in a if I compare it to a dance,

Brian Atlasthere's a leader and a follower. >> You can't have two people leading in the dance. you're going to trip over each other's toes. Uh, in a relationship, I feel it's the same way. I'm not saying the man's a dictator. I'm not saying

Brian Atlashe's a tyrant. Not saying you're you can't give uh you can't, you know, I'm going to completely ignore all your opinions and etc. But I don't like in order for me to have

Brian Atlasresponsibility in a relationship, I need some level of authority >> in that relationship. So if I'm and also if like men's traditional roles are protecting and that's not just like if

Brian AtlasI'm going to protect it's not just like some guy's going to mug us. It's not just physical protection. It's protecting the relationship. It's protect protecting you in spirit protecting you in mind. And I do think

Brian Atlastalking about like people have bad habits and [ __ ] I do think it's the case sometimes women have dated guys who either were uh doormats or they dated

Brian Atlasguys who were a bit weak and women might have might be a bit lippy or might be a little sassy or might be xyz with with a guy and you got to tell her like that's

Brian Atlasnot how it's going to be with me. >> But in addition to that there's certain like you and I think you're you're probably going to disagree with me on this and look I think it's a perhaps an age difference here too because I think

Brian Atlaswhen you're in college people like to party and drink and whatever but if you're in a relationship with a guy say you really liked him. you've been dating him for a year and you're do you you're in a sority so you go to parties I'm imagining

Brian Atlasif your boyfriend was like you're asking him hey um what do you think about this outfit and he's like too revealing don't want you to wear it >> would you would you be afronted affronted is that a [ __ ] word

Brian Atlasaffronted would be >> not a front but would you be take a front to your boyfriend saying hey I don't want you to wear that >> I'd be a little like upset >> would it be controlling Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> What about if he was like, "Hey, um, it's hard because I I want to be charitable with the the age difference when people are 18, 19, 20, 21, whatever. They're partying. Although there's women that age who don't party

Brian Atlasand drink or whatever. But if your boyfriend was like, "Hey, look, maybe you can envision yourself when you're a bit older in your mid to late 20s, and your boyfriend who you really like and you think he's a great guy, maybe he's even the one, he's like,

Bella (pre-law)"Hey, I don't want you going out to bars. I don't want you going out to clubs. What's your response? >> Feel like I'd have to have like I tried to understand his point of view,

Bella (pre-law)>> but also I like I feel like that's like a lack of trust on his part cuz >> lack of trust. >> I mean like obviously I'm going to be loyal to him when I go out and stuff. But I do want to have like I'm going to go out with my girlfriends obviously, but I want >> Yeah. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> But he doesn't want you to do that though. You can go get brunch with your girlfriends. You want to go a

Sativa>> You don't like it, do you? >> It's like I don't prefer it. >> You [laughter] don't prefer it. >> I don't prefer it. >> Right. >> What does a bar and a club have for you there? >> Mhm.

Sativa>> That like brunch or a nice dinner or like on there's like Christmas like like what is it about a bar and a club that

Sativamakes it like like for you that like what what is that like how does that add to your life? Like what's the benefit of a bar? >> Just having fun with my friends like you know like

Sativa>> but why does it have to be that? And like how does that allow you guys to be like progre like progress in life? Like you can have brunch with your girlfriends where you guys are discussing your potential law school or

Sativathings like that. Like isn't that more like beneficial to you as like a whole individual? It could be beneficial, but it's like it's not for the benefit. It's I I just want to have fun.

Brian Atlas>> Let me ask you this. So, you're dating a guy. You're in your mid20s, late 20s, >> uh, and he wants to go to the strip club with his boys. >> Do you have an issue with it? [laughter] >> Here we go. The cognitive dissonance.

Jacqueline ThomasYou're struggling with that thought cuz you're like, why would he dare go to the strip club? But why would you go? >> Wait. Well, let's get the answer first. But would you have an issue with it? >> He wants to go, then he wants to go. I trust him. But it's not ideal though.

Brian Atlas>> It's not ideal, but like I'm not going to be like, "No, you can't go." [laughter] You know what I mean? Like >> Well, I think in in relationships there are instances where you can say, "I don't want you to do that." >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Like, "I don't want you to [ __ ] that person, obviously." Right. Don't have sex with that person, you know? Um otherwise, I won't be here. But um >> and what if he said no, then I break up

Sativawith him? But look and >> or not break up like what do you mean like like no to the CL like no you're like not going. >> Yeah. No. No. So say like how he was saying like there's going to be things that you're not going to want your

Sativasignificant other to do. And what if he looked at you in your face and was like well that makes me uncomfortable. I like to look at ass on the pole. I want to go cuz my boys are going. I don't care how

Bella (pre-law)you feel. This is just what you're going to like this is what I'm doing. Like it doesn't it that doesn't sound good, does it? >> No it doesn't. And like obviously we'd have like a conversation about it, but it's like okay like if he's if he wants

Bella (pre-law)to go then I I can't stop him. Like you know he's going to make his own decisions. He's grown at all >> and you're you're you're going to be okay with that. And I'm just asking just to understand. >> No. Yeah. I mean obviously like it's

Sativagoing to make me a little bit uncomfortable. But like I can't stop a person doing something that they want to do, >> right? Just like he I guess he wouldn't be able to stop you from going to the club or the bar. So, you guys are just going to we're just going to go to the club and bar and strip clubs. That's

Bella (pre-law)just >> healthy. So healthy. So fun. So loving. >> I mean, we're in our we're in our 20s. I mean, like I don't want to like >> You could be serious in your 20s as well. >> I don't know if I want to be though. Like fair, >> you know? Like

Sativa>> I don't I don't even know if I like want a like relationship. I mean, even besides like a relationship, I think that the things that you do in your free time are going to benefit or set you back on the things that you want to do,

Sativayou know? So, I just don't think there's any benefit to the club and and the bar. And honestly, if I could go back in time, I would take a lot of party in a way. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> So, that's fair. I I guess um I don't know that we we've been like kind of jumping around from different topic to different topic, but

Brian Atlastrying to think here. I was going to tie it back into the like for the perfect man would you not work or whatever. I guess when it relates to we were talking about being submissive and traditional

Brian Atlasgender roles and all this stuff. I do think that like you wouldn't be submissive it sounds like to your boyfriend or future husband like you'd want a more 50/50

Brian Atlasequality dynamic. Is that fair to say? >> I'm just not that type of sub like I'm not as I don't think I'm a submissive person really. I guess here's when I was asking earlier though, like for a perfect guy and he's rich and you never

Brian Atlashave to work. >> And I I understand that career can meet more than just a financial need. It can meet a fulfillment need. You can feel like you're you're doing something. It

Brian Atlascan keep you busy. It can sometimes it can be fun, exciting, whatever. But also, a lot of times it's a lot of work. Especially as an a lawyer, there's a lot of, you know, a lot of paperwork. It can

Brian Atlasbe stressful, long hours, etc., etc. Uh, and some of it might be undesirable work, right? But in totality, you would say, well, in totality, I I want to do it, right?

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> But even looking at other jobs, you're working in some corporation, whatever. The reason I asked that question of would you give up career and college for

Brian Atlasthe perfect man who's rich is I think that women have traded because they don't want well I mean there's other components here women you you have traded being

Brian Atlassubmissive to a husband to being submissive to an employer to a boss to a corporation right >> and it's it's interesting to me though

Brian AtlasBecause on one hand I I think that a husband typically and I think a lot of men are especially today are not at all

Brian Atlasdemanding and many men are doormats and I think a lot of women [ __ ] run their relationships not going to lie. But even then if you were to come across

Brian Atlasa guy who was wanted a more uh traditional dynamic were you more sub submissive women still wouldn't make the trade. But it's I'm trying to think the best way to

Brian Atlasphrase this. I think a corporation is going to be more cold than the husband. I think a corporation is going to ask you for more than your husband. The corporation, your

Brian Atlasboss is going to say, "Show up at 6:00 a.m. at 7:00 a.m. 8:00 a.m. wear this." >> Lit. >> I mean, that's that's literally work. Wear a uniform. >> We say yes. >> Wear a uniform. Like most men, maybe if

Brian Atlasthe guy's like, "Hey, just don't wear revealing, but wear whatever the [ __ ] you want." Like he's not going to be like, "Okay, you have to wear a blouse today. You have to wear what?" Like most men, you have kind of freedom in terms of selection. But if a guy's like, "Hey,

Brian AtlasI don't I don't want you to wear like go out in public with your ass hanging out." Um, which a lot of women do. Uh, that's somehow an issue. But of course, that would never fly in the workplace. Like if your job was like, "Look, we

Brian Atlasdon't want you to, you know, we need you to dress modestly in the workplace." >> Yeah. >> Yes, sir. >> Yes, boss. Even like super liberal women, they're going to be like, "Oh, of course, like in a professional workplace setting, I'm going to wear like a suit

Brian Atlasor whatever. Whatever women wear, like a dress, skirt, whatever." Um, but like your boyfriend doesn't want you to go to the club with your titties popping out and you're [ __ ] wearing a miniskirt.

Brian AtlasWhoa. Okay, that's controlling. You've traded submission from your husband, your boyfriend to your employer. Your employer says, "Clean that mess up." If you work, if you're a you work in a restaurant, clean that up

Brian Atlas>> first day. >> Go deal with them. Clean that up. Scrub the dishes or, you know, doing whatever. Um, clean up the mess. Uh, you know, do this, do that, do that, do that. I think a husband, a boyfriend is going to ask

Sativayou for a lot less. And, uh, I don't know. You guys have traded it. You've traded it. Honestly, that's such a great perspective. I never actually thought about it in that way, but honestly, like everything that you

Sativasaid that you're willing to do and what you're not willing to do is literally submitting to a job and subitting to professionals. >> But but the the job doesn't love you. The job is not going to care about you like that. The job is not going to care

Sativaif you're sick. The job is not going to care if your mom gets cancer. Yeah. But you know who or you're you're

Sativahaving bad period cramps. Your job does not care. But your husband would. >> Sorry. >> Your cold corporation. The cold

Brian Atlascorporation that you know they'll look and look I I'll be charitable here. Yeah. You could marry a guy who whatever he >> divorces you. That could happen too. You could lose the marriage. Um but just

Brian Atlaslike with a job you can like women will say in response to well okay but your husband could leave you. Okay well your job could fire you. Well you can find a new job. Well, you can find a new husband. >> Yeah. >> Um,

Brian Atlas>> but it's like I think this idea of like a rejection of a more submissive dynamic in a relationship, >> it's like, well, okay, you've great. So,

Brian Atlasokay, you won't date the millionaire guy who, in this hypothetical scenario, you won't do it for the the millionaire guy who treats you perfectly, perfectly loyal, will never leave you. You never

Brian Atlashave to work a day in your life. You never have to lift lift a finger. Or you'll be like a

Brian AtlasI mean I'm thinking of like the the waitress who makes like $15 an hour and she's like busting tables and taking order taking order like meal orders, not

Brian Atlasorderers orders. Uh they're she's cleaning [ __ ] up, [ __ ] busting her ass. And like that girl, she'll do that. But like a a guy comes along, hey, I'm

Brian Atlasdoing well. You don't have to work. Let me take care of you. It's like an affront. Oh my god, my feminist brain can't comprehend. [laughter] >> I don't know. It's interesting. >> It's backwards. I just want

Sabrina (Diabetic)>> It is backwards. >> So, it's so anti-family as well. >> Absolutely. >> Anti-tradition. >> It's like you take both parents out of the home, you know? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um I don't know.

Brian Atlas>> [ __ ] Okay. Well, uh food for thought. Food for thought. Look, I'm not saying uh it's it's been a massive trade though in society. I'm not saying that we should that I think it's that I'm not

Brian Atlassaying that women shouldn't be allowed to work or anything like that. I'm just saying I'm speaking descriptively. So, descriptively it is the case that

Brian Atlasalthough look uh this idea that women were 100% procluded from working in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s, that's [ __ ]

Brian AtlasUm that that's that's BS. This idea that women couldn't work complete [ __ ] Now there were some components of the economy where but like socially it was

Brian Atlasless expected of women. There was an expectation for family and children but it's it's this interesting trade. It's this interesting trade where it's

Brian Atlaslike okay well uh now there's a economic reality where I mean corporations love it. The US

Brian Atlasgovernment tax system loves it. Now the the the cat's out of the bag. You I don't think we can ever really fix this. But I'm not saying women should

Brian Atlasshould be prevented from working. But it's like okay now it takes two incomes to raise a house to to have a household to to have a family. >> And people are even even if you have two

Brian Atlasincomes people are like economically looking at it like man this is [ __ ] up. Like you got two incomes and you can't even pay rent. You can't buy a house.

Brian Atlas>> Shit's expensive. It's all [ __ ] It's gigafucked. And look, I'm I'm just saying it's uh descriptively it is the case that when you double the labor pool that's going to uh corporations [ __ ]

Sativalove that. >> Oh yeah. And >> the tax system loves that. >> Yeah. Even the Airbnb I'm in like I can see the family. It's like a husband and a wife and they still actually have to like rent out a part of they built a

Sativatiny home in their backyard. You know what I'm saying? So it's like even with at this point even with two incomes is still not enough. They're having to have a stranger sleep in their backyard, you know, cuz I am a stranger. though.

Brian Atlas[laughter] >> And so it it is this it is this dilemma because obviously obviously um you know I people should have freedom and should

Brian Atlashave choice but like the old order of things where there was uh where there was a sort of like okay the man's the bread winner the woman is

Brian Atlastaken care of she takes care of the kids stays at home the man goes out to work uh I think there's something there where it's like

Brian Atlaswhat have been the economic manifestations of like opening the floodgates of we're going to try this experiment where uh women are going to

Brian Atlasput off having family having children until their late 20s early 30s and we're going to uh double the labor pool. So then cor

Brian Atlaswhich corporations love because you basically effectively cut the wage that you have to pay people in half. I'm not saying we shouldn't have done

Sativait, but I'm saying here are the perhaps unintended consequences of doubling the labor pool. >> Yeah, there's like almost it just exactly there's like a surplus of

Sativaworkers at this point and like not enough actual like quality jobs to where one income is okay. I don't know if that makes sense, but it's like now like employ like like being an employee isn't

Brian Atlasas valuable anymore. And I well I think the other thing is uh it was something about um

Brian Atlaslike on one hand yes you've given women more choice but you've also taken the choice away from women who wanted or who want a traditional dynamic because that's really rare now for a guy to be

Brian Atlasable to make enough money >> to just be like nah you don't have to work now it's like a necessity. It's no longer women have a choice of pursuing career, but there's no longer this other

Brian Atlaschoice that women used to have, which was like you had a choice as a woman in the 50s, in the 60s. Oh, I'll you know what? Um, I'll find a guy and we'll get

Sativamarried and have kids and >> I want to stay at home. That choice has almost entirely been taken away from women. >> Yeah. And even now, like even some stay-at-home moms actually still have to

Sativacome up with like a a passive income from home just to be able to still help. Like I'm talking about even if it's baking sourdough bread, they're not just doing it for their family. They're actually having to like sell it and bake

Sativa300 loaves a week. Like I follow these creators. I like sourdough. But [laughter] like the point is is even being a stay-at-home mom, it's like because of

Sativathe way the economy is, it still require like that means as a stay-at-home mom, I still actually have to make passive income somehow. I have to become innovative. I got diapers or I got this.

SativaI have a Yeah. 11year-old. So yeah, I was a young mom. But >> um so and even that with me, like my son's father is dead and I've had to take over. So I understood when I heard

Sativathat. Yeah. So I've had to take over in ways and let me tell you some mama tired. Okay, I'm tired, you know. I don't I don't want to do this. I don't,

Sativayou know, and you are young. So I think there's some naivity and and ignorance is bliss, which is why I think you're so like you feel so strongly about having things a specific way, but I promise you

Bella (pre-law)as you get older, you are going to be humbled in ways that you wish you weren't, you know? So >> yeah, that's fair to say. Like I'm definitely like I don't know everything in the world. Like I'm in college. Like some of the stuff that like I'm learning

Sativaright now like I don't even know if it's 100% true. And stuff. >> I just I just want you to be very open and not be so stuck in the circled reasoning of I want what I want. But and

Sativathat's just it. like you're going to get stuck in a circle and happiness is never going to be able to be attained because you're going to be trying to fulfill yourself constantly and it's just not going to be it's you're not going to be

Sativacap capable to fulfill yourself. It's just there's always going to be some sort of unhappiness or something you're looking for >> in some shape or form, you know? >> Yeah, I definitely like hear you like I I am taking it from a different

Bella (pre-law)perspective now and like obviously like I'm trying to understand it from all perspective. Like obviously I know my my opinion is not going to be everyone's opinion and also my opinion might always be the right opinion. So >> and honestly I love that that the fact

Sativathat you're even willing to at least being open is is going to help set you apart in the long run. It might not take you 10 years. It might take you two if that makes sense. >> No, I don't think we're going to change her mind. But um [laughter] she she's

Brian Atlasshe's probably pretty firm in her her position. But um I I think that uh [ __ ] What were we going to do? The Twitch. Yeah, there's something else I needed to

Brian Atlasfinish up on this topic here. I'm trying to remember. Um, oh [ __ ] I mean, even from the male perspective though, um,

Brian Atlasthis idea that like career, and I think it this would apply more so to the men than it can to women, but this idea that career is like some ultimate fulfillment in life. I don't think that's the case. I think when people are on their

Brian Atlasdeathbeds, I don't think they're going to think about, wow, I really closed that deal or I don't know, [laughter] I oh my god, you're going to look back and um on your deathbed, I assuming you one day have kids or have a family or

Brian Atlaswhatever. I think most people, man or woman, they look they look back on their life, it's going to be family. It's going to be kids. I don't think you're going to be thinking, "Oh man, I that

Brian Atlasone time I was on the prosecu prosecution and I uh that trial. Oh my god." I don't think people think like that. >> So I think like ultimate fulfillment in life I think is family. >> Yeah. >> And kids.

Sativa>> Think about your parents too. Like I'm sure when your parents are on their deathbed, they're not going to be saying, "Oh yeah, like I worked really hard at this job." They're going to be like, "No, I had a beautiful daughter and she grew and and learned and that's

Sativawhat [clears throat] they're that's what they're going to be very proud of at that moment." It's not going to be even the financial status that they're passing at, you know. So >> No. Yeah, for sure. I just think well in obviously I'm in college so my entire

Bella (pre-law)life right now is the workforce and like trying to get a job trying to get that degree and stuff. So obviously I feel like when I'm older I'm definitely going to think something else of it cuz I don't even know if I'm not even thinking of like marriage or kids right now or anything like that. It's by design.

Jacqueline Thomas>> Yeah. >> And that's what sort of make you think. >> Yeah. >> Career, money, but we have to remember in the back of your mind know that that's by design to get you >> off the course.

Brian Atlas>> It's to break the family unit. >> Absolutely. Yeah. [laughter] >> Anyways, we're I'm not trying to, you know, just hyperfocus in on you, but that that was where the conversation was going. Let's do Twitch, guys. Pull up Twitch, guys. We got Oh my god. We're I

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Brian Atlasthrough our uh, show notes here. Ah, [ __ ] I closed it. Whoops. One sec. Let me get that going. Uh, let's just do here. We just uh, let's You're good. Uh, we have our good friend Stifler. Ask

Brian Atlaseveryone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10. You can't pick seven. Uh, rate your own looks on a scale of 1 to 10. You can't pick seven. Starting with you, >> a six. >> Six. Okay. >> Eight. Six.

Dakota>> Eight. This question four. I don't know. >> Is it Are you just okay? Is that that's your answer? >> Sure. Yeah. I mean, how I mean, it's subjective, right? Like I I >> Yeah, it is subjective. What's your

Jacqueline Thomassubjective rating? >> Five. >> Okay. What about you? >> Eight. >> Eight. Can I pass? >> And you can't. You got to answer. >> Why can't I You're beautiful, by the

Jacqueline Thomasway. So, >> Mike, I And I don't know. I just This is how I think, Brian. I think I I You have to hear me out. Okay. >> I don't think it makes it doesn't make

Jacqueline Thomassense for me to judge myself. What What What does it matter what I think of how I look except for how I look to myself is how the I think

Jacqueline Thomasthe world sees how I look to me. Like that's how I look. I could say I love how I look. I'm confident. My mother weighs a beautiful child. But if I'm going to rate it on a scale, I I'd have to say how do I think others see me? Not

Jacqueline Thomashow I see myself. >> Well, how do you see yourself? >> I think I look just fine. I think I look great. Give yourself an eight. [laughter] >> That's from your personal perspective. >> So, I think I am an above average. So, I'd say six. >> Okay. Sure.

Brian Atlas>> Own it. >> Okay. What about you? >> 6.5. >> 6.5. Okay. Okay. I give myself a What did I say? Oh, no. I I used to say uh Okay, I give myself a 4.75.

HaleyOkay, that's it. Yeah. I mean, >> I think that's low. That seems low. >> That seems low. >> Rate you better than that. Oh, yeah. >> Oh, thank you. What do you rate me then? >> Well, including your personality. Well, I'll do with and without. With your

Haleypersonality, I'm going to go an eight. You got a great personality. >> Oh, [ __ ] Okay, there you go. >> Without Without, I would still say seven. >> All right. There you [laughter] go. It's

Brian AtlasIt's a match made in heaven. >> Uh I am gonna make you walk four hours back at after we have sex though. So just let you just a heads up. >> Just heads up. >> Not again. >> Send you Wait, where do you live? Where do you live again?

Brian Atlas>> Oklahoma. >> I'm going to make you walk back to Oklahoma from Santa Barbara. >> That's going to be a lot longer than 4 hours. I'm going to tell you right now. >> I'll provide you with um some hot hands, hand warmers or something. [laughter] >> You'll be fine. It's only winter time,

Sabrina (Diabetic)December. Um, >> I'll just get her an Uber. [laughter] It's an easy Uber from Pierce, Oklahoma. >> A couple thous a couple G's on an Uber. >> Yeah. Hell [laughter] yeah. >> Um, okay. Well, I don't really have much

Sativapush back on the looks rating thing. What did you rate yourself again? >> A eight. >> Huh. Okay. [laughter] >> Um, >> last time I gave myself a seven. You said I can't pay.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, you upgraded? >> Yeah. You said it can't be seven. >> Uh, okay. Um, do we I guess we can rapid fire the the Okay. Do we have the age stuff, Nick?

Brian Atlas>> No gender swaps yet. >> I just checked. >> Oh, yeah. Do we have for chair one? Do we have age?

Brian Atlas>> Just chair two and Okay. >> Oh, there's not even age progression. Yeah. Okay, that's fine. Um, >> those are fine. >> Yeah, that's not a big deal. We'll skip that. Um,

Brian Atlas>> okay. Uh, blasting through. Okay, we did looks, we did that. Uh, here I'm going to blast through the questionnaire. I know you weren't here for it, but I'll just ask you the question then directly. Um, [laughter] >> oh god.

Brian Atlas>> Let's see. Starting here. We're going to start with one sec. Uh, do you prefer Jackie or Jacqueline? >> Jacqueline. >> Jacqueline. Am I saying it right? >> You're French. You should be saying it like the best.

Brian Atlas>> Jacqueline. >> Jacqueline. Uh, okay. So, you circled you agree with the following statement. Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA. >> They don't. >> Uh, how so? >> Oh,

Brian Atlas>> we have more rights. >> Oh, [laughter] >> okay. All right. Yeah, you got me there. You got me there. [laughter] >> I thought that was went without saying. >> No, that was >> You bamboozled me there. You did. You

Brian Atlasthought he was doing >> What do you think? Do you think men and women have equal rights in the USA? >> Oh god. Um, >> go ahead. Lay it on. Don't worry. No one's going to bully you. Don't worry. You're fine. >> Um,

Bella (pre-law)I mean, all I can think of it is just like the equal like pay thing. Like, don't Isn't it right? No. Yes. >> Well, is there anything else besides that? >> Not that I can think of on the top of my head. >> Okay. So, you would you be confident

Brian Atlassaying let's assume uh I'm not going to get into like a wage gap debate, but let's assume that um >> putting that aside, >> y >> uh would you be prepared to say that men

Brian Atlasand women in the USA have equal rights? >> Say so. Yeah. Like I >> you don't know like what are you leaning towards? No. Or I'm assuming that's the case. >> Like a little

Brian Atlas>> women have more rights than than men. Is that like her you agree with her? No, I don't. I'm sorry. >> Uh, so aside from the wage gap thing, is there anything else that you can think of that might

Brian Atlas>> not that I can like actually like genuinely off the top of your head? No. >> Okay. All right. Um, how about this one? Um, >> do you think um you said you're a feminist? I wouldn't say I'm like a feminist, but

Brian Atlas>> look, I I feel I feel a little bad because I feel like maybe the other people on the panel might lean a bit more less liberal or less feminist or whatever, but look, we're >> nobody's going to attack you. Nobody's

Brian Atlasgoing to [laughter] hate you or whatever. We're open to having differing opinions and that's 100% okay on the show for people to have different perspectives. Um, we're not going to dogpile you. I've just been surrounded

Bella (pre-law)by people that have way more extreme views than me. So, >> like in terms of being more liberal, >> yeah, liberal feminist and stuff. So, like I don't know. I try and keep an open mind. Obviously, I'm going to believe what I believe, but like in these conversations like I try I really

Brian Atlasdo try and like get >> No, you seem open-minded. You seem pretty reasonable. Wait, you said you're in an authority, right? >> Yeah. >> Can you say which one? >> Uh, >> you don't have No, no, you don't have to. >> I think I'm in Theta. Kappa Alpha. >> Oh, yeah. Theta. They're pretty based. They're

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. No, they are. >> They're cool. I feel I don't know. I feel like people in sorities are >> It's okay. Or >> reasonable. Anyways, whatever. >> No, there's there's >> Can I Do you know the Is there a handshake? Like she has the DG wave. Is

Brian Atlasthere >> Can I do it? >> Yeah. >> Is that offensive to like theta or whatever? >> Uh, >> am I doing it? >> No. >> Okay, you're going to have to screenshot this and send this to all your sisters. >> Wait, [laughter] am I doing it wrong?

Bella (pre-law)Are we doing gang signs right now? [ __ ] No. No. That's the K and then A and then O. Uh, sure. >> I feel like I'm gonna get jumped after this. [laughter] Sure. >> Either theas or some gang or something. Um, >> I don't even know that I'm on this, so

Brian Atlas>> Okay, >> I guess it's all good. Um, I guess really rapid fire. Uh, do you think that uh do you think that there's a patriarchy? >> A patriarchy? >> Evil patriarchy?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Okay. Uh, do you think women are oppressed in the USA >> in like like a political way or like >> uh just whatever your sense of the term oppressed is?

Brian Atlas>> In some sort of way, but not like in an like insane insane like extreme kind of way. >> Okay, that's fair. I I won't I'm not going to linger on uh those topics. I

Brian Atlaswill get it back more to some more dating questions though. Um let's see. Uh, actually, Sab, let me I'm going to do your uh Hold on. >> Okay, >> I'm going to do some of your notes here. >> Oh my god.

Sabrina (Diabetic)>> Can we just like have you have like diabetic coma on stream? Is that [laughter] Is that cool or are you down to like push it a little bit? >> I go such a goblin. >> It's such a I'm joking, by the way. [laughter]

Sabrina (Diabetic)>> I'm joking. >> Maybe I'll be back one day. >> You were pretty nice to me. You're like super nice. I don't know what all the like people that say bad things about the podcast, they're haters. Like I feel like the girls >> people have a perception

Sabrina (Diabetic)>> because they're stupid girls saying stupid things kind of. I mean, >> wow, you're the misogynist. You're such a misog sometimes, but like you're a fem. >> No, I'm like red. I'm a bit red pill,

Sabrina (Diabetic)but I would say like the girls that don't know when World War I started. And of course, they're going to get the piss taken out of them. Come on. We get taught that for like a like every single year. >> I'm not going to lie, I got it wrong when I was on here. I did. >> Wait, [laughter] where state did you

Sabrina (Diabetic)grow up going to elementary school? California. >> Oh, good. That's you. I mean, they probably have like a good system. I don't know if I [laughter] wrong. California. L USD is not Oh, is it not?

Brian Atlas>> So, but uh Okay, really quick, your notes. Uh you say you're Latina with gamer rage. >> Hell yeah. >> And a fat ass. LOL's. >> Yeah. >> And big boobies. [laughter] >> Yeah. Well, I lost weight, so that's not

Brian Atlasso true anymore. >> The fat ass or the boobies or both? >> Yeah, both. >> You lost. Okay. >> Um have you done any BG content? >> No. No. No. Just so >> not even like private. I've never >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Gotcha. You said you've been to 30 countries,

Sabrina (Diabetic)>> correct? >> And you've dated in these countries? >> Yeah. >> Like guys have flown you out. Is that what you're saying? No. No. >> Like Dubai? >> No, I've never The only place in the Middle East I've been in is Israel. >> But I The only place I've been in the

Sabrina (Diabetic)Middle East is Israel. So none of the Arab countries actually. But no, I just since I do OF, I have a lot of money and time. So I just travel. And while I'm there, sometimes I'll meet someone. I'd

Sabrina (Diabetic)say I've maybe like dated like 10 different nationalities. >> Yeah. [clears throat] >> Okay. Um I'm trying to see here.

Brian AtlasYou're talking about how >> Wait, you how you met your boyfriend. You gave him a paper with your name and number on it as his job. What does he do? >> I don't want to say.

Sabrina (Diabetic)>> Is he a waiter? >> He is in something like similar to this field where there's no college. >> He's a podcaster. No, no, not not your field. I'm sorry. I mean like uh >> Are you dating Steven Crowder? >> I don't know who this is. >> Wait, are you Latina? What? Yeah, you're

Sabrina (Diabetic)Latina. >> I'm American though. But yes. Okay. [laughter] >> Yeah, I'm American first, but >> um yeah. >> Okay. Well, um I'm going to come back to the questionnaire and there's maybe a

Brian Atlasfew more things in your notes, but uh Okay. So, going around the table, um let's just do show of hands just to be quick. Uh, raise your hand if you agree.

HaleyUh, should men pay on first dates? Raise them high. Raise them high. No, >> I'm okay either way. 50/50 or if the offers protest too much.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, men should provide and protect. Raise your hand if you agree. Okay. Men should be chivalous. Okay. Husband should be willing to die

Brian Atlasprotecting me. Oh. >> Oh, wait. I changed this one up. I had a different So, on the questionnaire it says take the bullet, but I actually came up with a different scenario.

Brian Atlas[ __ ] Wait. Ah, okay. Here it is. Here it is. Um, wait. First, let me just, should your husband be willing to take a bullet for you? >> Like die protecting you essentially?

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Well, because there's there's an expectation like men should be protectors, whatever. I came up with a better one than the bullet though because I think the bullet one

Brian Atlasthere. There's a third party perpetrator. I'm changing it to a better one. Here it is. Consider a scenario. A ship is

Brian Atlassinking and only one functioning life preserver remains. You're married. This life preserver can save only one

Brian Atlasperson. There's no workaround. There's no loopholes. There's no additional options. You can't be like, "I'm going to tread water for 12 hours." You can't hang on to them. You can't find some

Brian Atlasdebris from the ship wreckage. There's one life preserver and you one person essentially has to die. Given that one person, either the

Brian Atlashusband or the wife, you in this instance, must die, who should volunteer to sacrifice themselves?

Bella (pre-law)Starting with you. [laughter] >> Uh, the husband. >> The husband. Okay. >> Myself. >> You You would

Sierra>> Yeah, >> that's a tough one. I think him. >> Him. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Also the husband, >> right? Chivalry, right? Yeah. >> I'm going to say the husband, too.

Haley>> Husband would. Yes. >> Into the mic. Um, >> husband. >> What about you? That's a toughy. I mean, he better, you know, be offering, but I'd also, you know, be willing to if if, you know, this is my husband loving my

Sierralife, I'd be offering to We're going to have to rock paper scissors it. I think that's fair. >> Okay. Um, >> yeah, like in that moment, I feel like I couldn't live with myself though. Like, if I had to watch him die, like I just

Brian Atlas>> That's why I chose >> That's a tough one. >> It's gonna It's going to suck no matter what. >> Now, here's a question. Here's like

Brian Atlasanother one. Let's say you're witnessing the

Brian Atlasyou you were on the ship and you have a life preserver, but you see the ship, the the boat, there's a couple on the boat,

Brian Atlasand there's only one life preserver left. Who would you judge more harshly? So this doesn't impact your your life at all.

Brian AtlasWould you have a harsher judgment towards one or the other if one of them opted to take the life preserver? Would you? So if the woman if they make a

Brian Atlasdetermination that the the woman gets the life preserver or the man gets the life preserver, would you more harshly judge the man for taking the life preserver over the woman? >> Yes.

Haley>> Than the reverse? Yes. >> Yes. Damn, that's crazy. [laughter] Um, I mean, I get it. >> I think I kind of would just because, you know, like he's [ __ ] Well,

Brian Atlas>> you should die for your [laughter] >> Also, a guy could swim longer, too, just cuz of >> Well, in this scenario, like, let's say the water's really cold and he's like, you know, no one's going to survive, right?

Haley>> I don't freaking know. That's tough. Well, I'm not I'm not going to judge judge either one like just on their gender in that situation. Okay. >> I mean, that it's just your two lives

Brian Atlasright there. >> Shit's [ __ ] up. >> Me personally, even in the Well, no, I'm not going to I'm not going to get into the bullet discussion, but >> hypothetical. [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> I'm taking the life jacket. >> I feel like women would judge you harshly on that. [laughter] Like, I'm just like, you know, she can die. >> Women are going to be like, yo, what the [ __ ]

Brian AtlasWhat if it was your kid? >> That's a tough one. My kid. Damn. [ __ ] [laughter] My son or my daughter? >> Oh, damn. >> Oh,

Sativa>> [ __ ] I don't know. [ __ ] Chat, what do you do? >> Oh, like if you had to pick between your son or your daughter getting the life jacket. >> I'm an honest person to a fault. >> Damn, this is really [ __ ] up question.

HaleyI got to be honest. [ __ ] That's crazy. I mean, if you have your same wife, you could just make another one. >> This is so such a hard [ __ ] question. >> How is it so hard?

Brian Atlas>> Well, okay, hold on. So, I would do almost anything to protect my children. Like, I will go through pain and suffering and I will sacrifice dearly

Brian Atlasfor for my children. >> But presented, oh my god, this is so [ __ ] up, but it's like one of those This sounds [laughter] so [ __ ] up to say. my life. Say it.

Sierra>> I feel like some people would virtue signal on this and be like, "Of course I would like let my kid live." >> I got to be honest. >> I'm taking the [ __ ] life jacket. I'm [ __ ] taking the life jacket, bro. >> You don't have a kid, though, right? >> Do you have kids? >> No.

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Yeah. I feel like it would change. >> I know that sounds so [ __ ] bad. [laughter] It's >> It does. >> I don't know. It's like It's like would you rather your mom or your dad die? I don't know. It's like some It's so >> No, [laughter] it's different. When you

Haleyhave kids, your sons are going to change. I'm sure. >> Hopefully. >> I'm surviving. I'm sure. >> I think I think logically, okay, if it's uh if it was between like you can you can't make another you, but you and your

Brian Atlaswife could make another one of your kids. >> That That is my thinking. I could have more kids, you know? I know it sounds so [ __ ] bad, but [laughter] I kind of like being alive and not drowning. >> So, I know it's not Damn. live with

Haleyyourself. >> Yeah, I promise you. You >> I would be >> Yes, I would. I would be a piece of [ __ ] but >> um >> Oh, wait. But you you would live, but

Sativayou're also going to hell. I mean, that's pretty much guaranteed to believe in that. >> And I'm going to say this, like, if if that happened and I took the life jacket and I watched my son drown, I'd probably end up killing myself anyway. I'm going

Sierrato be honest. >> I would knock myself off. >> I feel like it's cuz he doesn't know. going to get laid ever again. >> Um >> like she was found her kid was found with a life vest on the boat and >> yeah,

SPEAKER_09>> I heard about that. >> I haven't heard about that. I'm not sure. >> She drowned and saved her kid. >> That's the assumption. >> That's like the That's really powerful

Sativaactually. I just know I couldn't especially cuz I said this last time. My son had like a stroke and a brain aneurysm when he was eight and um so

Sativathat showed me that I know I wouldn't make it without him. Like since it was that close I was like there's just no there's no way. >> So >> yeah, that's scary. He's doing really good though, by the way. He's doing

Brian Atlasgreat. Yeah. >> Uh okay, where were we? Um we were >> you were going to kill off your kid on a boat. >> Yeah, [laughter] you're keeping the life jacket. >> Oh no, man. Um

Brian Atlas>> yeah anyways uh we we were talking about that. Oh uh oh will you keep your like let's say you get married will you keep your last name or uh hyphenate in marriage?

Bella (pre-law)>> I think I'll keep my last name. >> You'll keep your last name girl >> just cuz my mom did so I was like >> oh wow >> yeah she she kept her last name. So I kind of want to like >> she didn't hyphenate. >> Nope. >> What about for the kids? Do you have hyphenated? >> I have my dad's. >> You have your Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. All right. >> But she kept hers. So I don't know. >> So what what was the point of that? >> I don't know. >> That's just Anyways, >> but but so you did say you raised your hand to all of my previous questions.

Brian AtlasWhat men should pay on first aids, men should provide, protect, men should be chivalous. Husband should be willing to die, protect. I don't know. If you're you want your husband to die for you, you got to take his last name. >> Yeah. And at minimum at you don't got to

Brian Atlasbow. >> You got [laughter] to bow. What what do men get? They women don't want to take the last name. They don't want to be submissive. They don't want to cook. They don't want to clean. What are men getting for all the traditional things that men do?

Sierra>> Nothing. >> Yeah. Like why won't you take the last name? >> Huh? >> Like why wouldn't you want to take his last name? >> I like my last name. >> So it's just like the sound of it. I >> I mean my my argument here is even if

Brian Atlasthe guy has a really bad last name and your last name is the dopest last name ever. Sorry. >> You got to wear that [ __ ] proud. >> That was my life. I had the dopest [laughter]

Jacqueline Thomas>> without without question the best last name ever. And I struggled >> to to rid myself of that name because my new last name is so basic. >> It's incredibly basic. I was struggling

Jacqueline Thomaswith that. But uh Brian, this brings up a good point and it's not leaving the conversation, but didn't you say I tried to cram all the episodes that I could this past week since I don't really I'm

Jacqueline Thomasnot a regular viewer of this show, but I but you said there's no >> reason for a man to want to get married >> or there's no benefit to a man getting married or

Brian Atlas>> uh there there's a religious benefit if you're religious, but absent religion, I don't really think there Well, I mean the the the better framing is for the bread winner there's no benefit really in totality.

Jacqueline Thomas>> So there's money >> which is typically the man. >> I get what you're saying. >> But did did you want to >> well >> provide push back or >> Well, it's tied to what she was saying. I I thought about it because I was like,

Jacqueline Thomas"Yeah, I can see where he's coming from." But what about your your your your lineage? >> Oh, I can have kids outside of marriage.

Jacqueline ThomasSure, you can. But in the case of like her family, if if it's my if if it's me and and you and you have not given me the benefit of

Brian Atlasmarriage, why would I give you the benefit of giving my child your last name? >> That's true. >> Well, I think there's there is an argument to be made. If you're not married to the person, then you don't

Brian Atlashave to take the last name. However, as it relates to the children, uh whether married or not, there is a tradition that exists there that the woman that the children regardless of the marriage status, uh the children take the

Jacqueline Thomasfather's last name. >> But you know, in every state legally, hospitals prefer when parents are not married to take the the name of the wife of the mother, her last name. It's

Jacqueline Thomasusually just her suggesting that the the dad gets it that they give the child the last name. But I easily could just say, "Well, I'll >> Well, I mean, I I could just say she's I'm just saying she's well within her

Jacqueline Thomasrights to say, "Oh, well, I'm gonna give the child my last name." >> And then you you might have progyny, but you won't have any legacy. >> Well, hold on. Um,

Brian Atlasyes, a woman could do that, but >> And she should? >> I mean, what do you mean she should? She should do that if we're not married, but she's my woman. >> Well, if you're not married, then she's not your

Brian Atlas>> No, she shouldn't. No. Well, well, hold on. She is my woman whether we're married or not. But >> yeah, she's my she she is and I'm her man, but >> yeah. So,

Brian Atlas>> if you However, regardless of our marriage status, um at least any woman I would choose to have children with, again, regardless of if we're married or not,

Jacqueline Thomasuh our kids have my last name. >> Yeah. But you can't she can like you you were saying saying she could flip on you and then she can divorce you and she can a prenap doesn't mean anything. She can easily have the baby and be like I went through all this and this man won't give

Jacqueline Thomasme a ring. He's not getting lineage. I'm going to keep this baby with my last name and she's well within her rights to do so. >> Well, I mean I don't know if we're uh have a dispute over what lineage means, but I mean >> like legacy

Brian Atlas>> blood Well, yeah, but blood lineage would exist regardless. >> No, that's progeny. No, lineage would relate to blood regardless what their actual last name is. >> Well, when you trace the family tree, you go by the father.

Jacqueline Thomas>> Unless I'm misunderstanding lineage, which I mean, I'm going to just Google it. Um, >> like legacy, like my la your last name being carried into perpetuity. >> Lineage.

Jacqueline Thomas>> So, your son will not have your last name. His child will now have have his grandfather's last name, which is his mother's last name. So I think that that

Brian Atlascan be a component of lineage but I think lineage uh I I think lineage would be just the name that that relates to blood and ancestry.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. But you don't see blood on family histories. You see you you they track your history based unless >> my lineage. Well wait hold on. This doesn't even make sense. So if my lineage then if I married a woman who

Jacqueline Thomashad children from another man or I get cucked but the kid has my last name. Is that my lineage? >> If she take So >> that's an L. >> No. So if so if you adopt her children

Brian Atlasand the the judge gives you that child's last name, >> right? Is that what you're saying? >> By the way, just to be clear, that's not um when I was saying it's an L. It's an L to be cocked. I don't think it's an L to be a stepfather. Oh, that's amazing. just wanted

Brian Atlas>> but it's like if she gets pregnant by another another man and I think it's my kid and the kid has my last name that's not my lineage >> but you're so you're so but it is now

Jacqueline Thomasyou have now robbed that child's b not you robbed it the child's biological father has been robbed of his legacy by the court and it's been bestowed upon

Jacqueline Thomasthe new father legally to now have every accomplishment everything that goes with this child now will have Brian's last name with this child going further.

Jacqueline ThomasThat's why it's such a big deal to adopt somebody or to take somebody's last name because you now have all the ownership and rights or whatever that go with this person into the future onto their child

Brian Atlasonto their son's child onto their son's son's child. Um, I I mean I don't know if we're having just a kind of a dispute over the definition of lineage,

Jacqueline Thomas>> but where am I? But I I understand what you're saying, but are you understanding what I'm saying? If if a wife you're you assumed that whoever you impregnate, whether you marry her or not, she is

Jacqueline Thomasgoing to give her your child, your biological child, your last name. >> Yeah. But she is well within her legal rights and most states, >> especially when the parent the couple

Brian Atlasthe parents are not married. >> Whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Even if I'm married to her, she's well within her legal rights. >> Absolutely. >> To to dispute the name of the child and want the the last name. So, I don't see

Brian Atlaswhy marriage is related to this. Regard regardless of our marriage status, even if we're married, the woman could be a [ __ ] or whatever it is, or she could just have a difference of opinion. Like even if it okay, we get married, here's

Brian Atlashow we're going to do it with the children. Oh, now that I've had a kid, no, we're going to name we're going to hyphenate. Nah, the kid I want the kid to have my last name. And ultimately, I I don't know exactly the legal framework of what would happen if under a marriage

Brian Atlasthere was a dispute as to the last name of the child. I don't know what would happen. I'm assuming the hospital would probably defer to the to the mother probably. >> Yeah, >> probably. So, so marriage wouldn't even

Brian Atlasprotect me in that situation. In this case, the lineage is blood. But >> I can have a I can date a woman and we can agree, hey, we're not going to get married and she can defer to me. She can

Brian Atlasacquies to me and she can be like, the kid's going to have your last name, Brian. Marriage would not protect me in this circumstance. >> But why would she have to defer to you for the child's last name? >> Why would a woman have to acquies even in a marriage? >> Because typically a woman who gets

Brian Atlasmarried and takes her husband's last name will give her child her husband's last name. It's her last name. Trust me, a lot of women run their [ __ ] even in marriage. In fact, I think men get more cucked. I think men get more cucked in

Brian Atlasmarriage because there's a bunch of women use marriage as leverage. Like women will use marriage as leverage to get their will. So I actually think it's a more in terms if we're talking about

Brian Atlaswho has more leverage in a relationship. I actually think the leverage rem it's it's not so much I have more leverage, she has more leverage, but in marriage women or well the woman the person who's not the bread winner has the leverage in

Brian Atlasthe marriage. >> The person who's not the bread winner has the leverage in the marriage and this is typically the woman >> diabetic shock stay >> for how much longer?

Sabrina (Diabetic)>> Uh I don't know. How about can you can you pump out another 30 40 minutes? What do you think? >> I it's already been over that it should be. >> It's like life over here. Life death over here. >> Hey, look. I'm I'm not >> It's a long

Sabrina (Diabetic)>> opposed to just having somebody die on the whatever. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Go ahead. We'll we'll have you back again when you have your meds or whatever. >> Thank you. And it's awesome to see a picture of Charlie here. Keep that up for piss off the lip tarts. Keep doing

Sabrina (Diabetic)your thing. You're all lovely. I'm glad that we all got to talk. Have a good night. >> Drive safe. Drive safe. >> Thank you. Uh here, can you take her seat? We'll just move over a little bit. Um >> uh so

Jacqueline Thomaswhat was your point? Sorry. >> Oh, my point was when a woman gets married and takes her husband's name, cuz you were your point was even if you get married, there's no uh >> yeah, >> guarantee. But if she takes your name

Jacqueline Thomasand when she gets married and y'all have a baby, >> why would she not give her child her last name, which is now which is also your name? >> I see. So, you're saying, well, in a

Brian Atlasscenario where uh she she's gone ahead prior to having children gone ahead and taken your last name and you guys are married. Well, obviously, duh, the children are going to have her last name, too. >> Her last name, which it happens to be

Brian Atlasyour last name. >> Yeah, that makes total sense for me. But I I don't see why marriage is necessary for this. Well, you I'm just saying

Brian Atlas>> you you you acknowledge that when somebody gets married, there's nothing that legally compels the woman to take the hus the the husband's last name even in marriage.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, right. Absolutely. >> Right. So, the same the same standard would apply whether we're married or not. If the woman is disinterested in

Brian Atlashaving either her last name being my last name or having the children take on my last name, they're within whether married or not, they're within their legal rights to prevent that.

Jacqueline Thomas>> But once you get married, you decide whose last name is whose. Whether she keeps her last name, whether she hyphenates, once you get married, y'all make a decision, right? >> So whatever you decide, you decide whose

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