"YOU ARE FAT!" He KICKS OUT Ghetto 304 Who ATTACKED Him! $20,000,000 To Date Her?! | Dating Talk 292
Date: 2026-04-27
Duration: 10h 17m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_03Leana(guest)
SPEAKER_04Ashlin Sky(guest)
SPEAKER_05Jez(guest)
SPEAKER_06Naobi Neil(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_08Kiko(guest)
SPEAKER_13Christina(guest)
SPEAKER_14Chloe Yummy(guest)
Key Moments
00:06:59
IntroGuest introductions - 11 guests introduce themselves with name, age, occupation, education
00:23:42
RelationshipRelationship status round-table
00:41:23
ControversyNaobi calls Brian a virgin on air, accuses him of degrading and profiting off sex workers
“I just wanted to call you a virgin.”
00:47:32
Key MomentSteey Sammy reveals she was shot at a house party at age 17
00:49:43
Key MomentChloe's Coachella hookup - snuck into artist's VIP van
00:54:29
ControversySteey Sammy says she would kill herself rather than choose sides in US-Philippines war
“No, I would kill myself.”
00:56:55
ControversyKiko says under current president her allegiance would be with China
“Under this current president my allegiance will lie with China.”
01:07:43
Key MomentLeana reveals body count of potentially 1000+ (quadruple digits)
“It might have three digits, it might have four.”
01:18:56
Key MomentBrian kicks Steey Sammy off the show after persistent trolling. She Ubered 4 hours from San Diego.
01:19:35
QuoteSteey Sammy's parting insults to Brian
“You're fat as f--- and you're a DL twink. Pop that big ass pimple on your nose.”
01:43:34
Key MomentAshlin Sky emotional about wanting marriage over OnlyFans
“I'd be way more fulfilled being someone's wife.”
01:50:10
QuoteNaobi on being trapped in OnlyFans
“You get into it and you feel trapped.”
01:58:12
Key MomentKiko challenges Brian about show portraying women negatively, extended red pill label discussion
03:01:15
Key MomentChristina: men only want sex from women. Brian: maybe that is all you have to give.
“There's only one thing we need to provide for men.”
03:19:07
Key MomentJez reveals major depressive disorder. Admits never been in a healthy relationship.
03:51:33
Key MomentJez's ex was on meth, broke into her parents' house, shook her 5-year-old sister. She punched him.
03:58:59
Key MomentNaobi's golden shower first date story
“Can I just pee on you really quick?”
04:16:04
ControversyBrian cuts off Chloe crying about leaked underage video. 'This is not your therapist's office.'
“I don't have one [a therapist].”
04:22:38
Key MomentNaobi's political transformation from communist/feminist to Trump voter
05:15:15
ControversyChristina demands $15-20M minimum husband income. Brian roasts her extensively.
05:33:14
ControversyChristina says 'I hate f---ing Chinese' about men despite being Chinese herself
05:45:10
ControversyNaobi states women should not vote. Zakiyia agrees.
“I believe women shouldn't vote.”
06:03:06
Key MomentBrian rates guests looks 4-5.5 against their self-ratings of 5-8
06:27:23
ControversyChristina: women can't be rejected for weight but can reject men for height. Nobody agrees.
06:54:43
Key MomentBrian reveals 100-question girlfriend application and NDA. Panel: 'That sounds like autism.'
07:22:36
Key MomentKiko reveals marriage was open 3-4 times. She was with 4 men during open periods.
08:03:09
Key MomentNaobi sent to stand in corner as 'punishment' for OnlyFans. She complies.
08:49:33
ControversyChristina cannot name a single continent despite being from China
09:33:37
Key MomentChristina admits to preemptive cheating
“I have a feeling he will cheat on me. So I choose to cheat first.”
09:59:40
QuoteOn Steey Sammy: She came 8 hour round trip to call me fat.
10:05:44
OtherShow ends ~4 AM after 10 hours. Brian gives backhanded compliments. Accidentally stays live after outro.
Topics Discussed
00:07:00
Guest Introductions
Brian introduces 11 guests: Leana (rent-a-girlfriend), Christina (UCLA student from China), Naobi Neil (OnlyFans), Steey Sammy (Philippines), Ashlin Sky, Chloe Yummy (streamer), Jez (retail), Kiko (tech startup), Zakiyia (stay-at-home wife), Courtney King (pregnant), and Lexi (late arrival made water girl).
00:30:00
Relationship Status Round-Table
Each guest shares status. Leana permanently single. Christina has 10+ situationships. Naobi single. Chloe seeing two guys. Jez ended 3-year situationship a week ago. Kiko married 11 years. Zakiyia married 6 years. Courtney engaged, pregnant with baby #4.
00:41:34
Steey Sammy Confrontation & Kick-Off
Steey Sammy antagonizes Brian throughout, calling him a virgin, accusing him of degrading sex workers. Reveals she was shot at 17. After persistent trolling, Brian kicks her at ~79 min. Parting shots: calls Brian fat and a DL twink. She Ubered 4 hours from San Diego and got kicked in ~20 minutes.
00:54:29
US Allegiance Hypothetical
Brian asks foreign-born guests which country they would side with in a hypothetical war. Christina says USA. Steey Sammy says Philippines then says she would kill herself. Kiko says China under the current president.
00:59:25
Racial Dating Preferences
Panel discusses preferences between Black, Asian, Indian, Latino, and White men. Most prefer Asian or Latino.
01:06:59
Body Count Segment
Leana: 1000+ (quadruple digits). Christina: 9.5. Naobi: 9. Chloe: higher than 10 (mom forbade answering). Jez: 17. Ashlin: 20-30. Zakiyia: 2. Courtney: 9.
01:14:10
Would You Date a Bisexual Man?
Christina, Chloe, Jez: no. Kiko: theoretically okay. Zakiyia: no. Naobi: "I love a little gay man."
01:47:49
OnlyFans as Sex Work Debate
Naobi argues sex work should NOT be normalized, says she feels trapped in OF. Chloe pushes back. Multiple OF creators express wanting marriage over OnlyFans income.
02:17:29
The Femosphere vs Manosphere
Brian on double standards: women openly say "I hate men" with no consequences. Announces Inside the Female series. Kiko shares Lost Generation article.
02:37:09
The Bow Debate
Longest topic (~50 min). Brian shows video of his ex bowing when he gets home. Christina: no. Naobi: no. Chloe: yes, "would do more than bow." Jez: no. Kiko: only if he also bows.
02:55:15
What Should Women Provide in Relationships?
Brian asks what women uniquely bring. Ashlin: cook/clean. Christina: only sex. Brian argues Christina has a more misogynistic position than he does.
03:53:31
Crazy Dating Stories
Christina found 20+ girls on famous boyfriend's phone. Chloe found 30 girls in famous LA boyfriend's room. Naobi got asked for a golden shower on a first date.
04:20:26
Reparations Debate
Leana says yes. Naobi (now conservative) says no.
04:22:38
Naobi's Political Transformation
From communist/feminist/anti-white/BLM supporter to Trump voter at 22, triggered by transgender roommate incident in Chicago.
04:25:35
Male Privilege and Wage Gap
Extended debate. Brian argues wage gap is driven by maternity leave, hours worked, dangerous jobs, and mating pressure on men to be providers.
05:15:15
Minimum Husband Income
Leana: $100K. Naobi: ambition matters. Ashlin: $300K. Chloe: $1M. Kiko: $0-30K. Zakiyia: $0. Christina: $20M-$100M/year (top 0.01%).
05:30:06
Christina's Plastic Surgery Reveal
Admits nose job, eyelid surgery, lip flip. Before/after photos shown. Panel agrees nose looked fine before.
05:32:41
Male Delegation Dating Offers
Comedy bit. Christina rejects Chinese millionaire (says she hates Chinese men). Ashlin rejects farmhand. Chloe accepts a looks-maxer.
05:45:17
Women Shouldn't Vote Take
Naobi states women should not vote. Zakiyia agrees, says she votes with her husband.
06:07:04
Looks Ratings
Brian rates guests 4-5.5 against self-ratings of 5-8. Calls the panel "pretty average looking."
06:27:23
Weight vs Height Double Standards
Christina says women cannot be rejected for weight but can reject men for height. Zero panelists agree.
06:54:56
Brian's Girlfriend Application
Reveals 100-question application and NDA requirement. Panel: "That sounds like autism." Explains protection after leaked DMs incident.
07:29:19
Kiko's Open Marriage
Marriage open 3-4 times, always her idea. She was with 4 men, husband 1-2 women. Started wanting to "date in Chinese" in Shanghai.
07:40:00
Men vs Women Cheating
Brian argues women's cheating is worse due to paternity uncertainty. Chloe surprisingly agrees.
08:08:09
Immigration Policy Debate
Brian advocates mass deportation and halting legal immigration. Kiko discusses Singapore's housing program.
08:47:09
Geography Trivia Rapid Fire
Christina can't name a continent. One guest thinks Brazil is in Africa. Another says 100% of men have yachts.
09:33:26
Christina Admits Preemptive Cheating
Casually reveals she cheats on men first if she senses they will cheat.
09:39:42
Trans Women Debate
Extended philosophical debate about trans women and whether attraction to trans women is gay.
10:04:56
Show Wrap-Up
Show ends ~4 AM after 10 hours. Brian gives backhanded compliments. They accidentally stay live after outro.
Transcript
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02:55:28
Ashlin Sky>> Cook, clean. >> Wait, wait, wait. Let's hear from the others for now. >> I know. I feel like women should respect the person they're with. They should be loyal. I feel like >> Okay, but hold on. Men should do the same.
02:55:41
Brian Atlas>> Yeah, >> men should be respect women. Obviously, >> men should be loyal. >> Yeah, >> obviously. Bare minimum. Yeah, >> these things these things are well Yeah,
02:55:52
Brian Atlasbut I mean okay for some for some men they don't do this. Okay. So, um well that would also apply to women like some women are not respectful, some women are not loyal too. >> Totally. >> Um so I think that would be bare minimum
02:56:05
Brian Atlasfor both men and women. But now we're getting into gender roles. >> Men should pay on first dates. So the implication of men should pay on first dates means the woman does not pay on
02:56:16
Brian Atlasthe date. Men should provide protect. Ergo, the woman does not provide and protect. Men should be chauvous. You never hear ever women should be chauous.
02:56:26
Brian Atlas>> What should women uniquely do? >> Give birth. >> That's a partial answer. However,
02:56:38
Brian Atlasyou would agree with me that that's something that happens way down the line and women have ex these expectations on men uh without any intention of like giving birth anytime soon.
02:56:51
Naobi Neil>> Like all these women, >> the only people who have kids here and who who any who else has a kid? >> These two only. >> No, you have a kid, >> right? No, it's just one.
02:57:04
Brian Atlas>> Oh, I'm sorry. So every woman at this table >> says men should pay on first dates, men should provide, protect, men should be chivalous. >> She's the only one with kids. >> Yeah. >> No other. So this idea that well because
02:57:16
Brian Atlaskids like how many first dates have you been on? How many first dates have you been on? How many kids did you pop out? Zero. >> Okay. Useful. >> How do you know? What if I popped one out the first date?
02:57:29
Brian Atlas>> No. What I'm saying is is like women will go on first aids with an expectation that like if okay I pay if okay >> I was just >> here's your argument. Here's your
02:57:40
Brian Atlasargument. Men should do these things because women bear children. Okay. So if I go on a date with a woman and I pay for the date and I'm pro chivalous and I
02:57:49
Brian Atlaspro provide and protect blah blah blah and she doesn't provide me children then you can't use but women give men children as justification for why men
02:58:01
Leanashould do these things. >> I didn't you asked what do women do? >> No I said what should women do? >> Oh okay my bad. Um I think women should show up equally just not more than um
02:58:15
Leanayou know I don't think they should show up and like be a man in the relationship you know but I think they should show up equally and like in terms of like the providing and protecting I think there's a level of that that women can do. Um,
02:58:26
Brian Atlas>> you literally Wait, wait, hold on. You make men pay you to go on dates with you. >> They call me. >> Well, okay. A condition of you going on a date with a man is that he has to pay
02:58:39
Brian Atlasfor it. >> Yeah. Well, when >> not just the not just pay for the date, right? He also just has to give you money just to go on the date. Like, he's giving you cash. >> Okay. Well, when toilet paper is free,
02:58:51
Brian Atlasthings will be different. I don't see how that'd be relevant because men also have to buy toilet paper. However, uh you said women also provide. How do
02:59:01
Leanawomen provide or how do you provide? >> Well, just in in terms of like um like providing uh like safety and security. I think there's a level of women don't provide physical are you talking
02:59:14
Leanaphysical security? >> I mean like in in general like you know say um like hypothetically, right? like say they were in a we're in a social setting, right? And somebody starts badmouththing about your partner, right?
02:59:26
LeanaThere's a level in which I think a female should show up just as equally as a man to provide that level of protection and safety for their partner. >> I I don't think that it it would be
02:59:38
Leanaequivalent. Um truthfully, I >> not beyond like the like it shouldn't be like masculine, you know what I mean? There's like a, you know, men are bigger and so they >> Let me ask you this. You're out on a
02:59:50
Brian Atlasdate with your boyfriend and some drunk guy comes up to you and gropes your butt. >> You expect your boyfriend to beat that guy up. >> I'd probably clock him.
03:00:01
Brian Atlas>> You would cl That's fair enough. Uh, and look, if you get groped by a guy, I think fair game. Smack him. Uh, men should not do that. But I personally if
03:00:12
Brian Atlasmy girlfriend like if that happened to me um that'd be quite a peculiar scenario. But uh I wouldn't want my girlfriend to start whooping that girl's
03:00:23
Brian Atlasass. I don't like I'd just be like that's completely inappropriate. Like if it was really bad maybe it's tech technically like form of essay like okay do we get
03:00:34
Brian Atlasthe police involved? I don't I I'd probably just not want to [ __ ] be bothered by it, but maybe if it's really bad. If she grabbed my dick, yeah, you're we're calling the cops. If she spanked me or something, I'd be like,
03:00:45
Brian Atlas"That's completely inappropriate." But I don't have the I don't want to waste my time [ __ ] talking to the police or whatever. I don't think I'd want my uh girlfriend to like go and whoop her ass,
03:00:58
Leanathough. Anyways, >> there's different types of case scenarios. It doesn't have to necessarily be like a physical one. It could also just be like in terms of what I was talking about is like socially. >> Sure. >> Um, you know, just somebody, you know,
03:01:11
Leanatalking talking to your significant other about you and kind of putting you down or sharing information without you being present, you know. >> All right. Uh, what should women do?
03:01:22
Christina>> Like for me, in my opinion, there's only one thing we need to provide for men because I believe that of the men, they only want sex from women.
03:01:33
Brian AtlasSo >> I disagree. I So you you say that uh men only want sex from women. >> Yes. >> So the only time that I for me anyways
03:01:43
Brian Atlasand I think for a lot of men, the only time that's true, if sex is all you're offering, then sex is all I want, you need to offer more to me than just
03:01:55
Brian Atlassex. If [ __ ] is all you got, [ __ ] is all I want. But if you bring more, if you bring more and you you offer value in other ways,
03:02:08
Brian Atlasthen men are going to value those other things. So I kind of reject this idea that men just want sex. >> Maybe that's just all you have to give.
03:02:23
Brian Atlas>> Now men do want sex, but I don't think they just want sex. But at least they want sex first, right?
03:02:34
Brian Atlas>> Sure. Maybe they want sex quickly, too. Yeah. I mean, that certainly can be the case. But I think a woman can still bring value, especially early on beyond just sex.
03:02:45
Brian Atlas>> Like what kind of volume? >> The bow to begin with. She can I mean, but this gets into something that might be more tenable is she can help you with
03:02:56
Brian Atlasthings. She can make herself uh helpful. She can acquies to you. She can be submissive. She can she can make it easy to be with her. And when I say easy, I
03:03:08
Brian Atlasdon't mean having like she's easy to to bed. I'm not saying that. I mean make the experience of being with you seamless and simple and easy and not a
03:03:20
Brian Atlasheadache. uh make it make don't make it uh and this could be just like your availability, but it could also just be your personality. Are you just a pain in the ass? Are you argumentative? Are you
03:03:31
Brian Atlascombative? Are you masculine? Are you difficult? Are you a high friction, high uh friction is not well, friction is the
03:03:40
Brian Atlasword, but I'm looking uh h what's high conflict individual. Don't be high conflict. Make it make it like a
03:03:51
Brian Atlaspeaceful experience to be with you. Don't get on his case. Don't give him uh attitude. Show him respect. But um [ __ ]
03:04:03
Brian AtlasI lost track where I was going with that. Um the other things that women can give. Um yeah. >> Yeah. Um, I think that like the bow thing like it's kind of like equivalent
03:04:15
Naobi Neilto like when a guy opens your door like you know we like actually [ __ ] on men for that. We're like you never open my door. Look at him. He's opening that girl's door right now. See how easy it is? Yeah. But like it's so easy to do a
03:04:26
Naobi Neilbow too. But we're like easy. >> Yeah. It's so easy. You know, it's kind of like it's almost like the same like this guy is going outside of the car like he's like in the cold, you know? You're leaving his ass in the cold so he can do that for you. But you wouldn't do
03:04:39
Brian Atlasthat inside the warmth of your own house. Like, come on. So easy. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah. I mean, ultimately, um, uh, I actually lost track where I was going, but why why no to the bow or
03:04:51
Naobi Neilwait, was that the question we were at? >> Yeah, I think so. >> Why women? Uh, >> oh, what should women do? >> What should women do? Okay. So, in this scenario, most of the time for me, when I'm in a relationship and I am talking
03:05:03
Naobi Neilto a guy, I am usually providing financially. I'm providing home. I'm providing cooking. I'm cleaning. I'm working. I'm doing all of that. And for
03:05:12
Naobi Neilme, that is okay. I'm fine with doing that. But I feel like as a woman, a lot of men, especially younger men, don't learn a lot of life lessons very early on in age. And I feel like a lot of that
03:05:25
Naobi Neilresponsibility falls onto me to teach said certain man what to do. I've met men who don't know how to use a dishwasher, who don't know how to fold clothes, etc. But we as women learn that from a very young age because we're
03:05:36
Naobi Neilsupposed to be doing that. >> Men don't know how to load a dishwasher. >> I actually met a guy who loaded it. He just didn't know. Uh soap was supposed to >> I'm sure it happens. >> Yeah.
03:05:49
Brian Atlas>> Uh >> soap is supposed to go in there. But uh is there anything else for you though? What should women do besides sex? >> I have a question like if a man like
03:05:59
Christinathey want to find someone who personality good and do the cleaning and also cook for them. Why just don't pay for a housekeeper? Uh
03:06:13
Christina>> I mean I will not do like cleaning and cooking for for a man because I think um he can find like a housekeeper or a
03:06:23
Brian Atlasnanny to do that kind of things. I mean, on the long term, I would say that if you're dating a woman, uh, I'm
03:06:33
Brian Atlasnot sure if all men have the necessary income to pay for all those services. Also, it's like >> then everyone >> there's a level there's different
03:06:45
Brian Atlasthresholds, right? There's different levels. So, like there's a level where the woman doesn't have to work, but if she's not working, so the man's paying
03:06:54
Brian Atlaseverything. if she's not working, what is she supposed to do with her time? Right? So, it's like, okay, take care of the household. Also, I don't want to necessarily invite like it can
03:07:07
Brian Atlasbe a liability to invite total strangers into your house. >> Like, I think she's going to uh not always. I was going to say she can clean better, but um sometimes the professionals Well, the professionals
03:07:19
Brian Atlascan either do a better job or they can do a sloppy job, right? But it's like, okay, if I'm taking care of all the bills then and you're just staying at home, you should cook, you should clean, you
03:07:32
Christinashould do the laundry, you should do all these things. >> No, I don't agree with you. So for me, >> okay, so yeah, for you, go ahead. >> If I So if my husband like wants me to do all that kind of things,
03:07:44
Christina>> yeah, >> I will not stay with him anymore because I can do my better life when I'm single. I don't need someone like pay all of the bill for me.
03:07:55
Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, you're saying that you you are successful on your own >> and you don't have to do those things? >> No. >> I mean, look, it is realistic if you date a guy, if you're with a guy who is
03:08:06
Brian Atlashigh income enough, then yeah, you he can uh pay for the the maid and the professional private chef and all those things, the laundry service, whatever it
03:08:16
Brian Atlasis. Um, so yeah, but uh I guess then it's like, okay, well
03:08:28
Brian AtlasI don't know what what are you uniquely doing as a woman to provide value outside of sex? But I mean, it seemed like it was your position that from your perspective, and I don't this isn't my
03:08:40
Brian Atlasperspective, so you guys are going to have to juggle this idea that she actually has a more misogynistic position than I do. I think women can bring value beyond sex. It's your
03:08:51
Brian Atlasposition seemingly that the the value women bring is sex and that's it. >> Sex. Yeah.
03:09:01
Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, what about the kids though? So, when you have kids, uh are you going to be raising the kids or are you going to have a nanny? >> I don't want to have kids. Are you like infertile or
03:09:15
Christina>> I mean >> can you have kids? >> No, I don't want because if I pregnant it's really damage for my body, you know. >> Wait, wait, wait. Damage for your body? >> Oh yeah. So you mean Well, hold on. But
03:09:26
Brian Atlashold on. >> So the the there's a tilos thing here when it comes to purpose. This idea that damage like women are built to give
03:09:37
Brian Atlasbirth. Like it is of the nature of women to give birth. So when you say damage to the body, okay, yes, loose skin, stretch marks, uh perhaps I'm not going to get into detail about like potential impacts
03:09:48
Brian Atlaslike vaginally or whatever, but so yes, that is true, but women give birth and recover from it. But you're saying aesthetically damages
03:09:58
Christinathe body. Is that what you're saying? >> No, it's really hard to recover it. Well, I mean I you know recover what do you mean like the >> recover from after you have a child the
03:10:10
Christinabody is just different completely different you know from inside to outside >> so that's why you don't want to have children for strictly vanity reasons >> no I don't want to >> but you don't want to have children
03:10:23
Brian Atlasbecause it's going to change your body or are there other reasons >> like change my body >> that's it? >> Yeah. not like they're annoying or it's a lot of work or they're stressful. >> Also, also
03:10:35
Brian Atlas>> I understand like the babies, you know, they're really loud and >> babies. Well, yeah, they can be loud, but I mean, when they grow up, they're like dope and they're >> continuing your legacy.
03:10:47
Christina>> Oh my god, I can have a pet like dog or something >> more better. >> Okay, so what uh do you want to get married though? >> I don't know. Okay. You're just a
03:10:59
Brian Atlasbachelorette for your whole life. Okay. I mean, hey, some people want to live like that. Um, okay. So, you don't want to have kids. Um, are you on birth control? >> You're not on birth control?
03:11:10
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> So, what rubbers pull out method? >> I mean, I think >> plan B. >> Plan B. No, never. Uh, >> oh, >> okay. So they're just like busting nuts
03:11:23
Brian Atlasand you're just >> I think I just um have some issue to >> pregnant. I went to see do doctor before. So >> Okay. Sure. Uh all right. Um I forgot
03:11:35
Brian Atlaswhere we were. Uh what do uh what should or No, wait. >> What should women do? I think was the question. >> Yeah, it was. >> Uh here, let's go to you cuz you're against the bow.
03:11:46
Jez>> Um like just like housework, cooking, cleaning, laundry, like >> cooking, cleaning. I want to be with a man that can make me feel like I want to be like very feminine and be a woman. Like I want to be with a man that will take control if that makes sense.
03:11:58
Brian Atlas>> Okay. Uh what about Well, I guess we kind of dived into it with you, I guess. Uh yeah. >> Yeah. Do you still want me to say something? I'm happy to.
03:12:09
Kiko>> Yeah, I guess. What? Yeah, sure. >> Yeah. I I guess cooking, cleaning, housework, I I think we traditionally label them as feminine, but they don't have to be.
03:12:21
KikoThey're just like things people provide in a relationship. Like I I cook and my husband cleans and does laundry and like he takes care of so many things. Um, and
03:12:32
KikoI I think he's really good at those things. So, and I'm shitty at it. actually for our sixmonth anniversary, he gave me this like handwritten book to teach me how to do how to clean like using how to use certain cleaning
03:12:46
Kikoproducts because I didn't know how to do them. Um, yeah. I I I don't think it needs to be like a woman must cook, a woman must
03:12:55
Kikoclean. I think two people just need to both provide value in in a relationship. And I Yeah, I don't think it's super
03:13:03
Brian Atlasgender coded to me. Okay. Um, it's not gender coded. Okay. Uh,
03:13:14
Kikowhat about in the context where a man is he's the sole bread winner? >> Are you fine with a woman doing taking on those? Okay. >> Yes. So, they need to both provide value in in a relationship.
03:13:24
Brian Atlas>> They need to both provide value uh in that circumstance. Okay. Um, I'm trying to think if there's anything else. Uh here we'll do Wait, I have uh
03:13:36
Brian AtlasOh, perfect. Oh, what the heck? My pen is shitty. Um I had a followup on this. Um
03:13:48
Brian Atlaswait, [ __ ] where was I going? Uh those of you who would not bow, would you bow for the perfect man?
03:13:59
ChristinaYeah, if he's perfect, >> you would for the perfect man. >> Yeah. Perfect for what? Like pain. >> Okay. So, when I say perfect here, I'll I'll give a descriptor. So, you might say, well, look, the normal, not to say
03:14:12
Brian Atlasthat you guys are uh you'll still date guys who you obviously like and who are you're attracted to and who you think have positive traits, but we are maximizing every single trait that you
03:14:23
Brian Atlascare about. So, and obviously there's trade-offs when it comes to dating. Okay, well, he's a supermodel, but he's broke. He's super rich, but he's not attractive. He's great in bed, but he
03:14:35
Brian Atlashas no ambition. Like, um, and sometimes the guys will have multiple of these positive or negative characteristics, right? So, when we say perfect, we max out every single posit positive trait
03:14:46
Brian Atlasyou care about. not just like, okay, well, he's like, um, his looks, his personality, his kindness, he he he's really successful, um, best in bed at
03:14:57
Brian Atlasall these things that you might care about maximized. So, this guy, I would assume, really good-looking, really rich, uh, treats
03:15:06
Brian Atlasyou amazingly, perfectly loyal, perfect like all the things you care about, top tier, perfect. That's what I'm talking about.
03:15:18
Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> So, for the perfect man, would you bow? >> No, I won't change myself a lot for a man. >> You won't change yourself for a men. Should men change for you?
03:15:29
Brian Atlas>> Of course. Yes. >> Wow, that's crazy. So, men should uh men should change for women. >> Mhm. >> This isn't uh Does anyone agree with her? Does anyone agree with her? It's okay if you do. >> Um
03:15:42
Naobi Neil>> sort of. >> Well, not with both parts. Is it like can both people like change as a whole
03:15:50
Brian Atlasduring their relationship to be better? >> Well, the idea here would be um doing
03:15:58
Brian Atlassomething that is so minimal, so benign, so effortless, she won't even do that for the guy, for the man, for the
03:16:09
Brian Atlasperfect man, which doesn't exist. Realistically for you, uh, you're going to jump from, to put it bluntly, from dick to dick to dick. This guy's going to cheat on you. One guy's going to be abusive. One guy's going to be violent.
03:16:22
Brian AtlasOne guy's going to be boring. One guy's going to be broke. And it's, you're really never going to find the perfect man. Truth be told, nobody gets the perfect person. Even the people we marry. Now, we might like virtue signal and be like, "Oh, well, my husband's the
03:16:35
Brian Atlasperfect guy." Well, there's probably something about him that annoys you. There's probably, and look, I think in relationships, there's going to be little small things like, okay, she I don't know, she chews with her mouth open or something. It's like, well, do I
03:16:46
Brian Atlasstill love her? Yes. Uh, she [ __ ] slightly snores. Do I still love her? Yes. Like, there's going to be things about your partner that are going to slightly annoy you. And we accept them. Of course, there's stupid people who
03:16:56
Brian Atlasthink that okay, the moment there's like one thing that's just slightly that's just and then people I mean it's because of social media and dating apps. It's like uh we've encountered a slight
03:17:09
Brian Atlasroadblock. I'm out. Some people do that. That's stupid. But I think in relationships there are going to be certain things you'll have to like sometimes tolerate or sometimes uh you
03:17:20
Brian Atlasknow accept or that sometimes will get under your skin. Now, if it's something super serious, then that's a different conversation. But smaller, minor things, you're going to have to accept certain
03:17:31
Brian Atlasthings when it comes to dating. So, for the perfect man though, you don't do even that takes 3 seconds to do it. Okay. Um, what about you, perfect man? >> Yes, but he would not have to be
03:17:45
Brian Atlasperfect. He would just have to be good enough for my standards. >> Fair, fair answer. Uh, for the perfect man, do you do it? >> No. Really? Why? Okay, that's interesting. I'll engage there. Uh why
03:17:56
Brian Atlasnot? >> I don't know why he would want me to. >> Okay. Well, how about this scenario? You have uh in front of you a magic lantern. A magic. And when you rub it, a genie
03:18:07
Brian Atlascomes out. And the genie says uh you don't get a wish, but he's like, "I will give you you the perfect man for you." And it is the perfect man. My condition,
03:18:19
Brian Atlasnot the man's condition. So, it's not the man telling you to do it. The genie tells you you need to bow in order to get the perfect man. Do you do it then? >> No, because I don't want a perfect man.
03:18:30
Brian Atlas>> Why would you not want a perfect man? >> Because I'm not a perfect woman. >> I don't see how that uh I I don't see how that would correspond. So,
03:18:43
Jezhow are what are the ways in which you're not perfect? >> I mean, I have a lot of issues. I have like mental issues. I have issues with past relationships. Um, I'm still like healing even though
03:18:56
Brian AtlasI've been single for like almost four years. Like, so I have a lot of >> you Hold on. You've been in an on again offagain situationship for 3 years that just ended a week ago. >> Yeah. >> Right. Okay. So, when you say you have
03:19:07
Brian Atlasmental issues, what are those? >> Uh, I have major depressive disorder. >> Okay. Do you have BPD, bipolar? >> Uh, no. >> NPD. >> You don't have a cluster B? >> Cluster B. Cluster B, personality disorder.
03:19:20
Brian Atlas>> No, I don't have a personality disorder. >> That'd be like bipolar, borderline personality disorder, narcissistic. >> I haven't been diagnosed with anything. Any >> Okay. Just what was it? Massive major depressive. >> Major depressive disorder. Okay. So, do
03:19:33
Brian Atlasyou take uh SSRIs? >> I do not. >> Do you take any medication for it? >> I do not. >> So, uh how does your mental health, the major depressive disorder, how does it manifest itself? You're just depressed.
03:19:46
Jez>> Um >> anxiety. What? I do have a lot of anxiety and then sometimes I do have like um depressive episodes that can last for long periods of time. Um >> so what does that look like when you
03:19:58
Jezhave a depressive episode? >> Like it's hard for me to even just like get out of bed, do normal things, go to work. Like I don't feel good about myself physically. Um >> okay.
03:20:09
Brian Atlas>> And I just kind of like isolate. >> So you want to also date a guy then who has major depression? Would I want to?
03:20:19
Brian Atlas>> Well, you said I'm not perfect, therefore I don't want the perfect men. >> Would I date somebody that has that? I mean,
03:20:29
Jezif I really like them, then yes. I mean, it would be hard having, you know, me having that and then them having that as well. >> So, why wouldn't you date the perfect man then?
03:20:40
Brian Atlas>> I don't know. I There's a thing. >> Well, I know, but it's a hypothetical. Um, >> that's true. So, but I I I'm confused. So, on one hand, you acknowledge that it would be suboptimal for your situation
03:20:52
Brian Atlasto date somebody who has mental health issues. You have mental health issues. So, wouldn't the ideal be to date a guy who tolerates uh well, and the perfect man wouldn't just tolerate, he would be
03:21:03
Brian Atlasextremely supportive and understanding and patient with you and perhaps even be able to help you uh with your depression or whatever. So, I understand why you wouldn't date the perfect guy. Well, I don't want to have to put them through
03:21:16
Brian Atlasthat, though. Like, that's not fair to like rely on somebody to help you get through that. >> Well, so, are you just going to become a nun and never date anybody? Because whether you date the perfect guy or whether you date a terrible man, they're going to have to deal with your [ __ ]
03:21:28
Brian Atlasregardless. >> That's true. So, might as well be the perfect guy who uh who knows how to navigate your depression and is supportive and like
03:21:40
Brian Atlasmakes it as easy for you uh in the moment when you are going through an episode instead of like I'm sure you could you maybe dated guys who are like, "Wow, you're being a [ __ ] [ __ ] Like, you're annoying as [ __ ] because you're depressed." Like, I'm dumping
03:21:52
Brian Atlasyou. Goodbye. You're [ __ ] depressed. Like, wouldn't it be optimal for you to date the perfect guy? Like, I don't understand. Uh, sorry. Go ahead. >> Okay. Well, when you word it like that,
03:22:05
Jezlike it would be nice to be with somebody who can help me get through that, but like at the same time, I would feel bad, I guess. You know what I mean? >> Because I have mood swings and, you know, dealing with my depression. Like, who wants to deal with that at the end
03:22:18
Brian Atlasof the day? Most people don't. >> Well, are you just going to remain celibate for the rest of your life? >> I don't know. Oh, I am so sorry. >> It's all good. >> My bad. >> It's all good. You're fine. I'll get a I have a paper towel here. But I mean, so >> sorry, I don't know whose drink that
03:22:32
Brian Atlaswas. My bad. >> It's my coconut water. It's all right. >> Uh, so you're going to uh, so what? You're you're obviously going to continue dating. So, I mean, we'll
03:22:42
Brian Atlasget into your show notes in a bit, but I mean, from my recollection, you've not had a great track record with the men you've dated. Like, they've not they've not been like >> upstanding, high virtue, like healthy
03:22:56
Jezrelationships. >> Yeah. I' I've never been in any kind of healthy relationship at all. >> Is that because of you? >> Um, probably cuz in the past I feel like I used to be very very toxic and then I
03:23:06
Brian Atlaswould also uh date people that were also toxic. So yes. >> Okay. So what's that? The definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing
03:23:20
Brian Atlas>> over and over >> over and over again hoping for a different result. So in this case, I've presented to you a hypothetical scenario where you could get the perfect man. The only thing you have to do is once per day, 3 seconds,
03:23:34
Brian Atlasback up, and you won't do it. Interesting. Cuz I'll tell you what, I don't think men should battle women cuz that's a gendered it's a bit of a gendered thing. Uh
03:23:46
Brian Atlasmore not all relationships are like this, but typically men are the leaders in relationships. men are more dominant in the relationship. I'm not even talking about BDSM or anything. Uh, and
03:23:58
Brian Atlasthe woman's more submissive. So, it'd be a man bowing to a woman would be like sort of contradictory to the natural order of the roles between men and
03:24:08
Brian Atlaswomen. For the perfect woman, I'm [ __ ] bowing. Now, I'm not going to be submissive. I'm not going to be I don't know. [ __ ] I have to think about that cuz the cuz I think the perfect
03:24:20
Brian Atlaswoman >> is so exceedingly rare. So rare is a diamond. Actually, [ __ ] diamonds. Is a I don't know what's a [ __ ] more what's what's a more
03:24:30
Brian Atlassoughta [ __ ] precious stone or whatever the [ __ ] they're called. I don't know. A ruby. What what's more what's better than cuz diamonds? >> Sapphire. >> Sapphire. I don't know. She's a [ __ ] jewel.
03:24:43
Brian Atlas>> She's a jewel. A perfect woman would be a jewel. And like the reality is in in reality people are definitely not perfect. Uh and then you also have to
03:24:52
Brian Atlasconsider not just that uh not just the external people are not perfect but you also have to think who am I and then
03:25:02
Brian Atlaswhat can I get cuz I think like there's there's lots of beautiful women and um some of them like fantastic personalities and they meet my threshold but then you have to think and this
03:25:13
Brian Atlasapplies not just to me but to other men and then to women. Are you the type of person that they want to be with? And realistically
03:25:22
Brian Atlasspeaking, like [ __ ] 36 going on 37 now. I'm a little chubby. Like I'm average at
03:25:30
Brian Atlasbest. Average looking. Um like I'm not I don't have the leverage. Like, okay, if you tell me what a
03:25:39
Brian Atlasperfect woman is, okay, she Well, realistic perfect would be like, I'm not going to tell you what, but um I don't know. She Okay, fine. It just it
03:25:50
Brian Atlasjust comes across as superficial. Like insanely hot, very attractive. Um in terms of personalitywise, submissive, basically does everything I want. Um slave, I guess you could say. Slave would be good.
03:26:03
Brian Atlas>> Indentured servant. >> Uh basically, no, I'm kidding. I'm getting there a little bit, but like what guy? What? Yes, big. Yes, giant labia. The biggest labia you've ever seen. Um, let's see. And I guess technically for her to be perfect, she
03:26:15
Brian Atlasalso has to be a a trillionaire, billionaire, and then I'd be very happy. But, um, but, uh, it's like, yo, I'm not I'm 37. I'm not going to be like smashing through I'm not going to be
03:26:26
Brian Atlaslike running through Victoria Secret models anytime soon. like I'm realistic about my standing and like the type of woman I can get. Uh so
03:26:38
Brian Atlasuh I don't know. So to be offered the perfect person, it's like the perfect person is necessarily going to be out of your league. If you can get the person out of your
03:26:49
Brian Atlasleague, then [ __ ] man. [ __ ] Hit a bow. [ __ ] Hit a bow. >> Hit a bow. >> Hit a bow. No, >> go ahead. You can respond. >> Do you want me to say yes? Will that
03:27:01
Brian Atlasmake you happy? >> No. Well, I mean, I I don't want to just bulldoze over somebody and they just say yes just cuz. If I've changed your mind, then say yes. But if I haven't convinced you, then no. Don't lie.
03:27:14
Brian Atlas>> Well, okay. If they were like 100% perfect, then sure, why not? But again, >> I mean, yeah. >> Yeah. >> But what about like uh how about not
03:27:23
Jezperfect, but your realistic dream guy? So, he's not perfect, but he's like the dream guy. >> Like, if I was bowing in like kind of a silly way, like not like a weird way, if
03:27:36
Brian Atlasthat makes sense. Like, is that what you mean? >> Well, to get the dream guy, realistic dream guy. So, okay, he's not going to be a billionaire, but he's going to have a good job and he treats you really well
03:27:46
Brian Atlasand he's loyal and he, you know, he's he's not like a gigachad supermodel, but he's like he's good-looking. and you think he's handsome. You find him attractive. He's got a he's he's fun.
03:27:57
Brian AtlasAnd I mean, he's not like some like [ __ ] once in a thousand year charisma level thing, but you know, like he's fun and you enjoy his presence. >> Do you bow for him?
03:28:09
Jez>> I may consider it. I guess if I really really liked them. >> Why is it so bad to bow? >> Like why are you so against it? Like even for the perfect guy? >> I don't know. Maybe just cuz I feel like it's just like a weird thing to do. Like
03:28:22
Brian AtlasI don't know. >> Why is it weird? It like takes like 1 second to do. >> Go off, Chloe. >> I don't know. It's just something about it. It's just to me. >> It's culturally weird for a white person. Like it's not it's not something that men
03:28:36
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> ask for even in like Asian countries. Like I assume even like Korea or Japan or China, uh, Vietnam, Philippine, like it >> they probably wouldn't be cool with it
03:28:48
Brian Atlaseven there where it's somewhat more culturally relevant to bow. Um, but it's also to Khloe's point, it is effortless.
03:28:58
Brian Atlas>> It's completely benign. It takes 3 seconds. Anyone can do it. And they still won't even do that for like the perfect guy. I find that somewhat interesting. Perhaps I can make it more relevant. Um, would you do a guy's laundry?
03:29:11
Jez>> Yes, I have. >> Like first time going over to his house, would you do his laundry? >> If I really like them and I planned on like pursuing them more and like maybe like being with them then yeah.
03:29:22
Brian Atlas>> Okay. I think a woman should do that's my other thing. A woman should do laundry first time at the guy's house
03:29:33
Brian Atlas>> unprompted. I shouldn't even have to ask for it. She should just be like, "Brian, where's your laundry room?" I got you. >> Yeah. >> You seem to be grimacing. Or maybe
03:29:46
Naobi Neilthat's how your face naturally is. >> No, it's just how I naturally am. Yeah. >> Okay. >> What is grimacing? >> Yeah. >> I thought that's the purple guy. >> I guess it's this.
03:29:58
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, uh, here for the perfect guy. No, wait. I don't want to say perfect guy. Let's say marriageable man. So,
03:30:09
Brian Atlasmarriageable man is a guy who meets your standards for like long-term like this is the person you want to spend your life with, right? So, okay, he's not going to be 6'6 billionaire. Let's be
03:30:22
Brian Atlasrealistic. But he's going to you're attracted to him. You like him. He treats you well. This is going to be your your boyfriend, long-term boyfriend, husband, whatever.
03:30:31
LeanaFor marriageable men, do you delete your Instagram? >> Uh, sure. If they had asked me to, I only just made it a year ago anyway. >> No. >> No.
03:30:44
Brian Atlas>> Say, yeah, verbalize. No. >> No. >> Why is that? >> I mean, why I deleted my Instagram for then? >> Well, I'm I'm going to come back to that. What about you? Perfect man or not
03:30:57
Brian Atlasperfect, marriageable man? >> Yeah, if you wanted me to. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'd consider it. >> Consider it. Okay. >> Yes. I like Instagram. >> That's amazing. You like Instagram?
03:31:10
Brian Atlas>> That's like really all I have. Like I would totally delete Facebook and like Snapchat. Like >> Tik Tok. What about Tik Tok? >> I don't even have Tik Tok. >> So you use Instagram for reals? >> Um no. I mean yeah I do watch a lot. I have a problem. I do watch for reals. I
03:31:22
Kikodon't post a whole lot, but >> So, what is your uh attachment to Instagram? >> I think reals. Like watching >> you watch the reals. Okay. What about you, Kiko? >> Um, I guess it depends on why he would ask me that. My husband will never ask
03:31:34
Naobi Neilme that, but if he's he has a valid reason and it's not like insecurities, then I would do it. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> I make most of my money on Instagram cuz I'm a UGC creator. So, like if he's making a good amount of money, I'd delete it. >> Yes. Let's say he was soul bread winner
03:31:48
Naobi Neiland he was >> Oh, yeah. For sure. then. But like my husband or my fiance is not, so I'm not deleting that Instagram. >> Throwing a little shade at your husband here. >> Love you, Jordan. >> The way you said that had like a little
03:31:59
Naobi Neilresentment in your voice, you know? Was a little a little like step it up. >> What's his name? Jordan, you said. >> Yeah. >> Step. It sounded like step it up, Jordan. What the [ __ ] >> Well, I'm teaching him how to be a UGC
03:32:11
Brian Atlascreator. So, he started making a little money. >> Okay. Um, so you are addicted to reals. Why wouldn't you delete it again?
03:32:22
Brian Atlas>> I I just don't know what's the reason I need to delete for them. Why? >> Uh, he is really traditional and he doesn't want uh he doesn't want you
03:32:33
Brian Atlasposting your little thirst trap bikini photos on there. >> He is so ridiculous. >> He's ridiculous. >> Yeah, >> he he's ridiculous for that ask. You
03:32:43
Brian Atlasknow, I was actually thinking about this and um I my issue with it is uh there well there's two there's two components.
03:32:51
Brian AtlasThere's the posts on it and then there's the consumption angle. So I think social media short form content even though I mean I don't know if this is going to
03:33:02
Brian Atlasget me labeled as a hypocrite. Obviously we produce short form content here on the whatever. Well I mean we also do the live podcast too. The short form content
03:33:11
Brian Atlasis secondary to a degree, but uh I think short form content does have some damages that it does on attention span. And then also the algorithms can be
03:33:24
Brian Atlasproblematic because it'll start feeding you propaganda. It'll feed you like things that'll make you upset. Sometimes it depends. Sometimes the feeds like I
03:33:35
Brian Atlasdon't know if you like maybe if you're into makeup it'll just send you makeup videos which well that's a separate topic but like makeup videos are not inherently like they're not espousing
03:33:46
Brian Atlasanything harmful. Well I could probably come up with an argument anti makeup argument but I don't know if you're watching gym videos and you're just getting f that's a better example you're
03:33:57
Brian Atlasjust getting fitness content that's your algorithm that's pretty harmless. In fact, it's probably good. But a lot of these algorithms tend to it's like a race to the bottom
03:34:10
Brian Atlasbecause people engage with things that are upsetting to them. People engage with things that get them angry, that get them enraged. People engage with those things. It's a race to the bottom.
03:34:21
Brian AtlasSo then you engage with something. Oh my god, misogyny. Racism. Oh my god, Republicans are so bad. Blah blah blah. Conservatives are terrible. We should assassinate people. Like, what the [ __ ]
03:34:34
Brian AtlasSo, >> assassination is okay. He's a fascist. It's okay to assassinate people. >> Yeah. >> Punch a Nazi. Okay. So, anyways, so
03:34:44
Brian Atlasthat's the algorithm. That's the algorithm slippery slope. And I do think um honestly long term, I don't know if
03:34:55
Brian AtlasI've revealed this on the show, I think if a girl wants to be my girlfriend, but this is me being a protector. This is me being a protector because I think men, when we talk about protecting, it's not
03:35:07
Brian Atlasjust like, okay, there's a home invasion, there's a burglar, some, you know, we got to [ __ ] a guy up, we got to shoot a guy. It's not just that. I think men to have a duty to their family, to
03:35:19
Brian Atlastheir girlfriend, to their children to not just protect them physically, but to protect them of threats of spirit and of
03:35:29
Brian Atlasheart and of mind. And I believe Tik Tok and Instagram and all these things are threats of mind and of spirit.
03:35:39
Brian AtlasIt's it's I believe these are damaging thing. These are damaging platforms. Uh, it [ __ ] your uh attention span. It [ __ ] your attention span. You get fed
03:35:51
Brian Atlaspropaganda. It takes one video for a woman to decide that she wants to trans her kids. No. So, I think
03:35:59
Brian AtlasI think I have a duty as a boyfriend to tell my girlfriend, you know what? Look, I don't want you on Instagram. I don't want you on TikTok. You shouldn't be.
03:36:12
Brian AtlasNo, it was it would actually like look I don't know if if she wasn't consuming the reels and she was just like once a [ __ ] month I don't know posting like photos of her food or something I would
03:36:23
Brian Atlasbe I don't really care. That's fine I guess. Um I actually think if you want to girlfriend Max, you got to get her off the [ __ ] apps. Like you got to
03:36:36
Brian Atlasget her off the doom scrolling cuz I got to protect her mind. Doom scrolling is bad for your mental health. She's going to be exposed to propaganda.
03:36:48
Brian AtlasAs a man, I have a duty to protect my girlfriend. Obviously, she has free will. She can do what she want. But I hope that my girlfriend would defer to my better
03:36:59
Brian Atlasjudgment and realize the damage that social media does. And if I say, "Look, babe, I don't want you doom scrolling on [ __ ] TikTok. I know I'm taking care
03:37:10
Brian Atlasof everything. You know, I'm door dashing. You know, you're not even [ __ ] cooking. I'm door dashing all our [ __ ] So, what are you even doing? You're just [ __ ] doom. You know what? I'm not door dashing anymore. You're going to [ __ ] cook. You're going to
03:37:22
Brian Atlasspend three hours cooking per day. That's right. You're d You're doom scrolling too much. I got to fill her time with something else, right? Any response from the women?
03:37:33
Naobi Neil>> Yes. Yes. Yes. I agree wholeheartedly. Sorry. Just wanted to jump in a little. Do you ever doom scroll? >> Um,
03:37:45
Naobi Neil>> do I doom scroll? >> How long do you have to be scrolling to be doom scrolling? Like more than an hour? >> Um, no. >> 30 minutes. >> Like 30 minutes probably. And then you like forget your entire life and what you're doing because you're like so
03:37:58
Brian Atlasattached to whatever you're watching. >> The thing is is I'm because I'm in the social media space, I'm kind of and I'm a social commentator. Um, I like post things and commentate on them on my ex
03:38:10
Brian Atlasand Facebook account and sometimes I'm like looking for like the trending topics. Sometimes we react to clips. >> It's within the purview of my business.
03:38:21
Brian Atlas>> But honestly, the moment I retire from this [ __ ] Tik Tok off my phone, >> it's all gone. It It's all gone. If it
03:38:30
Naobi Neilwasn't for my job, I No, but like I'm more so doing it for research. It's not like entertainment, I guess. I don't know. >> No, I get that cuz for UGC, you got to
03:38:42
Brian Atlasscroll through like your niche to warm the account up. >> Yeah. So, I mean, I suppose I do it, but it's for the like I'm literally looking
03:38:51
Brian Atlasfor clips or dating topics or trending topics for me to react to. Like I'm on X and I'm seeing all this stuff. Like Caller Daddy's been on X for like three
03:39:02
Brian Atlasseparate things recently. Maybe I can bring make them topical for the show. Um, one of the things I saw recently on Caller Daddy was Gwennneth Paltro. Alex, what what's her [ __ ] I can't believe I know her [ __ ] name.
03:39:16
Brian Atlas>> Cooper. >> Alex Cooper, the host of Caller Daddy, asked Gwenneth Paltro something like, >> "Who was better in bed, Ben Affleck or Brad Pitt?" and she actually responds
03:39:27
Brian Atlasand I was like this is a topic we've talked about on the show but like there's a difference between men and women. Wait, I don't Am I just moving off the Hold on. >> I just moved off the topic. Hold on,
03:39:39
Naobi Neilwe'll come to that. [ __ ] Gwennneth. Oh my what? This pen's dog [ __ ] >> Did anyone want to weigh in on my Tik Tok thing? Like my girlfriend should not have Tik Tok. >> Yes. I think like seriously like it is
03:39:51
Naobi Neilreally like a form of protection and like if like that's like you want a man that's going to protect you, lead you, guide you, all these things like I think that's like 100% valid and like that's like that's actually like um desirable in a man like you would want your man to
03:40:05
Naobi Neildo that for you. You know, you can tell that he cares about you. >> Like he he tells you like which friends are good friends. Like oh this girl's married, she has all these goals in life. That's a girl you should be hanging out with. Like you shouldn't be
03:40:15
Brian Atlashanging out with these girls that have no goals that want to be a hoe. Like >> so >> yeah, you shouldn't you probably shouldn't be friends with people like that. It's not going to bring you anyway. >> Well, here's here's the interesting thing. I think when as I was saying this, I think some of the women were
03:40:29
Brian Atlaslike, >> "Brian, that's super controlling. That's super toxic. Who are you to tell your girlfriend what she should do on her phone?" Right? And I I I would anticipate women feeling that way. Like, whoa, that's really controlling. Like
03:40:41
Brian Atlaslike I wouldn't literally like go up to her phone and like I'm [ __ ] deleting this [ __ ] No, I would want her to voluntarily do it. Like I'd have a conversation with her like hey look I
03:40:52
Brian Atlasthink it's not good for you. like I want you like I don't know maybe maybe this sounds crazy like let me add some context here like in social media can be there was
03:41:05
Brian Atlasactually phenomenon before social media got big where people who watched the news constantly there this is a phenomenon that predates social media if you were constantly
03:41:16
Brian Atlaswatching the news what would you see robberies murders killings because that was the most interesting thing for the news that bump bumped the ratings. And so people started getting like stressed
03:41:28
Brian Atlasout. Spikes are cortisol. >> Spikes are cortisol. Uh they they'd be watching the news cycle and like getting paranoid and thinking, "Oh my god, things are more dangerous than they
03:41:38
Brian Atlasactually are because all you're seeing is murder, murder, rape, car theft, carjacking, uh abduction, sex trafficking. That's the news. That's the news. That that's what they're reporting on. And similarly with social media
03:41:52
Brian Atlascertain things get amplified in the algorithm. And so like I guess I'd frame it like this. Who here thinks on a balance of things that overall for society
03:42:03
Brian Atlasdo you think that social media is harmful? >> This is yes. >> Now we might benefit from it in ways like I think for example like I'm not saying across the board it's just
03:42:15
Brian Atlas[ __ ] terrible. Like for example, this ability to instantaneously communicate with somebody in a different country or different continent, keep up with your
03:42:24
Brian Atlasfriends. Um, you know, uh, entertainment that to a degree, the entertainment component is cool. Like, oh my god, 30
03:42:35
Brian Atlasyears ago, you wanted to, well, I guess [ __ ] phones, I guess, but like it was more difficult to communicate, you know? I mean, think before telephones, think before all this [ __ ] Like letters,
03:42:47
Brian Atlas[ __ ] Letters you would say even even you could live with in the same state as somebody before [ __ ] phones.
03:42:57
Brian AtlasYou would hear back three weeks later, >> some [ __ ] They send a letter [ __ ] then they got to respond to you. So that's cool. That's a benefit of the internet and technology that we have
03:43:08
Brian Atlasinstantaneous communication, right? But like social media though I think while it has some positives overall I think has been negative even I say this even
03:43:19
Brian Atlasas somebody who profits off of social media right uh so then the my perhaps my framing of if social media is harmful
03:43:30
Brian Atlasand you guys agree with me am I really such a monster to suggest that my girlfriend should not consume the thing that is harmful Nope. >> Thoughts? >> Um,
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Chloe Yummy>> no. You guys be >> Yeah, I have something actually. Um, in my longest relationship in high school, um, my ex-boyfriend like he would just
03:43:53
Chloe Yummylike literally brain rot all day on like Tik Tok and like just like watch like really stupid videos. So, and like I told I had a conversation with him and I
03:44:05
Chloe Yummywas like, "Dude, like this is like not helping you like at all. Like you should watch like motivational shit." Because at the time I was like super into like watching gym videos and like motivational stuff.
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Chloe Yummy>> And I was like, "Why are you like consuming this [ __ ] like for hours? Like I don't understand like why that's like helpful." and we like got into this
03:44:27
Kikomassive argument about it and like he's probably still watches brain. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um I do have some thoughts on social media. I do think it's um I think
03:44:39
Kikoit's pretty polarizing. It's creating two types of content like your your algorithm is feeding you into two directions. One is things that you agree with. it just keeps feeding you things you like and you agree with and then the other one is like fear- driven content
03:44:51
Kikobecause both of those things like spend more time allow you to spend more time on platform but that's like an incentive problem because like the more time you spend on platform the more these creators will get paid and the more the
03:45:02
Kikoplatform gets advertising dollars so I I think today's social media is very problematic and everyone has to like go to the comment section and scroll down to like see what people is really
03:45:12
Kikothinking but like I mean I pretty much built That's the thesis around my startup is like what if we can create a more honest internet? What if we can share what people are really thinking instead of just like the performance
03:45:25
Kikoperformative information out there like I I do believe internet can be better and we can create better incentive alignment for people to be more honest and like not just so performative on the internet and maybe that will change how
03:45:37
Kikowe think about social media. But going back to like what you said, which is like protecting your girlfriend from certain brain raw, you know, like just watching things repeatedly. Um, I I I
03:45:49
Kikothink that's valid. Um, I also only just downloaded TikTok for like my my my business. Um, and I think the fact that there's like no way to train your own algorithm is is kind of problematic
03:46:02
Naobi Neilbecause like we are just passively consuming and just letting the platforms tell us what to think. >> I think that's problematic. >> I agree with this point. I do agree that social media is damaging. I think that
03:46:15
Naobi Neilit's fine if your partner wants you to delete a certain social media. However, I do not think that it is okay for your partner to pick and choose your friends. I think that if you are a grown-up, if you're an adult, you should be able to
03:46:27
Naobi Neilpick and choose who, you know, who's good for you and who's not. >> Disagree. >> Um, okay. Well, I think that if you're like social, mentally stable, you should be able to decide if this person is a
03:46:39
Naobi Neilgood person. Like, why would I let my boyfriend choose one of my best friends from childhood years just because men lead, men are leading you. You want a man? They might lead you. >> Lexi, Lexi, you are so pandering right
03:46:52
Naobi Neilnow, Lexi. >> But they're not meeting you. Men are supposed to tell you what. >> Lexi, you are pandering. Lexi, you're pandering. >> A man leading you right now, >> huh? >> Does your boyfriend lead you? >> Is a man leading you right now?
03:47:05
Naobi Neil>> I would. Yeah, I do. He does. He does a great job, too. Shout out to him. Big shout out to him. >> Pandering. But uh Well, okay. So, what if um what if your boyfriend makes a
03:47:17
Naobi Neildetermination that this person is uh not good? How about it's your husband? How about then? >> Yes. And it depends on the person as well. >> Okay. >> I think that if I I would hear my
03:47:29
Naobi Neilhusband out. Absolutely. I would hear every side that he has out and I would talk to my friend about it and ultimately it's my decision. >> Okay. >> I kind of trust myself enough to know who I should and shouldn't hang out
03:47:41
Brian Atlaswith. I feel like we learned that in elementary school. >> So, you wouldn't defer to your husband on it? >> No, I just said I would. >> No, but you said you would like take it into considerate. Let's say here, how about this?
03:47:53
Brian AtlasLet's say your husband is being unreasonable. >> Yes. >> Like, let's say there really isn't a threat or anything from this friendship. >> Yeah. >> And he's maybe being irrational. >> Yeah.
03:48:04
Brian Atlas>> But it's still really important to him. >> Yeah. Would you yield to him then or would you be like, "No, you're wrong." Like, let's say he's genuinely just like he is factually wrong. >> Yeah. I think
03:48:18
Naobi Neil>> Do you get rid of the friend or do you tell your husband to >> [ __ ] off? Not like that, but >> No, I think that it's important that I would stand my ground and I would tell my husband stand your ground. Yeah, that
03:48:29
Brian Atlas>> so in all situations where my girlfriend is being irr Well, I would say I would say for the man I should stand my ground if she's being irrational. Well, I don't know. What if my girlfriend doesn't want
03:48:40
Naobi Neilto kill a spider? I think that's irrational to have a a apprehension to killing spiders. >> To not kill a spider. >> Yeah, >> I love killing spiders. >> Okay, psycho. Cool. >> I think there are solutions to every
03:48:53
Brian Atlasproblem. I think that compromise can be made on any point of time. But so what if she's like there's a little mouse and she jumps up on the stool in the kitchen. >> Yeah, Tom and Jerry. Um I think that >> that's a rational behavior.
03:49:07
Naobi Neil>> I think for you that might be irrational. I think if she has a genuine fear of rodents, I think getting away from the rodent might be the rational decision to make. >> Well, women will like jump up on a chair even if the rodent isn't coming for
03:49:19
Brian Atlasthem. Yeah. >> So like the rodent is like going in the opposite direction. Oh my god. Uh, >> and I don't mean to say this in a like general point of view, but I've genuinely seen some men do that, too. >> And >> yeah, sometimes a man might get surprised.
03:49:31
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> In a context. Yeah. >> I don't know. Like, look, if you walk into a spiderweb, that's going to be alarming. Like, oh, [ __ ] >> Yeah, that's going to suck. >> You You're going to [ __ ] flinch if you walk through a spiderweb and your
03:49:45
Brian Atlasface gets >> if it's [ __ ] on you or something. But, um, I don't know. >> I think I think I don't know where I'm going with my argument on this one. I actually >> you forgot. >> I'm not sure where I'm going. I mean, I
03:49:57
Brian Atlaswas just going to say even if the the man's desire is irrational actually. Hm. I don't know. Do I want to defend I don't know if I want to defend like that position.
03:50:08
Brian AtlasUh well, it's like okay, if it's such a big deal to them and it's like it depends how important it is to you. >> Yeah, I agree. I'm trying to say the
03:50:19
Brian Atlassame thing, I think. >> So, it's like Let's say like think maybe it maybe this is a thing. I don't know if this is maps
03:50:30
Brian Atlason your husband has a preference for you wearing purple socks. >> Yep. >> And it makes no sense. >> Yeah. >> And you prefer orange socks or something. I don't know. But it's like
03:50:42
Brian Atlasyou want to make him happy and it's like this makes no sense. Why the [ __ ] would you want me to just wear purple socks? He's like I don't know. I like when you wear purple socks. It it gives me a boner. Whatever. I don't know. And and you're like, "Okay, well, I don't
03:50:55
Brian Atlasnormally want to only wear purple socks. It's not really in style." >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And then you [ __ ] wear the purple socks though cuz you want to make your husband happy. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's irrational. It's completely irrational. I don't know. >> Yeah. >> I need to get up for a moment. You guys
03:51:08
Kikocan I don't know. Talk about something interesting. >> Don't make it boring. I know it's difficult when the male presence leaves the table to >> Wow. I am plenty male presents. >> Will you bow when you get up?
03:51:21
Brian AtlasNo, no, no, no. >> I know it's difficult. Maybe I need to give you guys a prompt so not to bore the audience before I leave here for a few minutes. Um, >> what should you guys What should you I should What should you guys talk about
03:51:33
Brian Atlaswhile I'm gone? Um, well, maybe you seem to disagree with some of the things said. >> Um, you know what? here. If anybody can re uh recollect one of the like crazy
03:51:45
Brian Atlasdating stories that you've sent me, maybe without me prompting it, you can just go into that. I think you have one. Maybe you could share like one or two of your crazy You punched a dude in a dick in the dick.
03:51:58
Brian Atlas>> Oh, I did. Yeah. When you All right, so I'm going to get up. Uh you can share one of your stories. If anybody else has a story, you can share it. Uh go ahead.
03:52:08
Jez>> Tell us more. Okay. So when I was with my ex, we were together for over 5 years. And kind of towards like the end of our relationship, he started smoking meth.
03:52:19
Jez>> Oh. >> So he became pretty like psychotic and like scary. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Girl,
03:52:29
Jez>> make a mess, you know. That's >> Yeah. I don't know. And um so I moved in with my parents to try to kind of slowly break it off, which it still took a while, but um at night I would put my
03:52:42
Jezphone on do not disturb because there are times where he would just blow my phone up like for no reason. Like always thought I was cheating even though I I wasn't. Um, so he showed up at my house like in the middle of the night and
03:52:55
Jezwalked into my room and my little sister, she was five at the time, was sleeping in bed with me and he like went up to her and like shook her like really hard. >> Oh my god. >> And like woke her up and like scared her and it woke me up. So I just punched him
03:53:08
Jezright in the dick. I don't know. It was just my first reaction. >> Honestly, he deserved it. I thought >> you're a hero. >> So >> that's crazy. Why? Why is it so easy to
03:53:18
Naobi Neilget drugs in America? Like, >> how did he even How did he even start doing this? Girl, I have >> What did you not get in America? >> Oh my god. >> I don't know why or how he started doing it, but yeah.