"YOU ARE FAT!" He KICKS OUT Ghetto 304 Who ATTACKED Him! $20,000,000 To Date Her?! | Dating Talk 292
Date: 2026-04-27
Duration: 10h 17m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_03Leana(guest)
SPEAKER_04Ashlin Sky(guest)
SPEAKER_05Jez(guest)
SPEAKER_06Naobi Neil(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_08Kiko(guest)
SPEAKER_13Christina(guest)
SPEAKER_14Chloe Yummy(guest)
Key Moments
00:06:59
IntroGuest introductions - 11 guests introduce themselves with name, age, occupation, education
00:23:42
RelationshipRelationship status round-table
00:41:23
ControversyNaobi calls Brian a virgin on air, accuses him of degrading and profiting off sex workers
“I just wanted to call you a virgin.”
00:47:32
Key MomentSteey Sammy reveals she was shot at a house party at age 17
00:49:43
Key MomentChloe's Coachella hookup - snuck into artist's VIP van
00:54:29
ControversySteey Sammy says she would kill herself rather than choose sides in US-Philippines war
“No, I would kill myself.”
00:56:55
ControversyKiko says under current president her allegiance would be with China
“Under this current president my allegiance will lie with China.”
01:07:43
Key MomentLeana reveals body count of potentially 1000+ (quadruple digits)
“It might have three digits, it might have four.”
01:18:56
Key MomentBrian kicks Steey Sammy off the show after persistent trolling. She Ubered 4 hours from San Diego.
01:19:35
QuoteSteey Sammy's parting insults to Brian
“You're fat as f--- and you're a DL twink. Pop that big ass pimple on your nose.”
01:43:34
Key MomentAshlin Sky emotional about wanting marriage over OnlyFans
“I'd be way more fulfilled being someone's wife.”
01:50:10
QuoteNaobi on being trapped in OnlyFans
“You get into it and you feel trapped.”
01:58:12
Key MomentKiko challenges Brian about show portraying women negatively, extended red pill label discussion
03:01:15
Key MomentChristina: men only want sex from women. Brian: maybe that is all you have to give.
“There's only one thing we need to provide for men.”
03:19:07
Key MomentJez reveals major depressive disorder. Admits never been in a healthy relationship.
03:51:33
Key MomentJez's ex was on meth, broke into her parents' house, shook her 5-year-old sister. She punched him.
03:58:59
Key MomentNaobi's golden shower first date story
“Can I just pee on you really quick?”
04:16:04
ControversyBrian cuts off Chloe crying about leaked underage video. 'This is not your therapist's office.'
“I don't have one [a therapist].”
04:22:38
Key MomentNaobi's political transformation from communist/feminist to Trump voter
05:15:15
ControversyChristina demands $15-20M minimum husband income. Brian roasts her extensively.
05:33:14
ControversyChristina says 'I hate f---ing Chinese' about men despite being Chinese herself
05:45:10
ControversyNaobi states women should not vote. Zakiyia agrees.
“I believe women shouldn't vote.”
06:03:06
Key MomentBrian rates guests looks 4-5.5 against their self-ratings of 5-8
06:27:23
ControversyChristina: women can't be rejected for weight but can reject men for height. Nobody agrees.
06:54:43
Key MomentBrian reveals 100-question girlfriend application and NDA. Panel: 'That sounds like autism.'
07:22:36
Key MomentKiko reveals marriage was open 3-4 times. She was with 4 men during open periods.
08:03:09
Key MomentNaobi sent to stand in corner as 'punishment' for OnlyFans. She complies.
08:49:33
ControversyChristina cannot name a single continent despite being from China
09:33:37
Key MomentChristina admits to preemptive cheating
“I have a feeling he will cheat on me. So I choose to cheat first.”
09:59:40
QuoteOn Steey Sammy: She came 8 hour round trip to call me fat.
10:05:44
OtherShow ends ~4 AM after 10 hours. Brian gives backhanded compliments. Accidentally stays live after outro.
Topics Discussed
00:07:00
Guest Introductions
Brian introduces 11 guests: Leana (rent-a-girlfriend), Christina (UCLA student from China), Naobi Neil (OnlyFans), Steey Sammy (Philippines), Ashlin Sky, Chloe Yummy (streamer), Jez (retail), Kiko (tech startup), Zakiyia (stay-at-home wife), Courtney King (pregnant), and Lexi (late arrival made water girl).
00:30:00
Relationship Status Round-Table
Each guest shares status. Leana permanently single. Christina has 10+ situationships. Naobi single. Chloe seeing two guys. Jez ended 3-year situationship a week ago. Kiko married 11 years. Zakiyia married 6 years. Courtney engaged, pregnant with baby #4.
00:41:34
Steey Sammy Confrontation & Kick-Off
Steey Sammy antagonizes Brian throughout, calling him a virgin, accusing him of degrading sex workers. Reveals she was shot at 17. After persistent trolling, Brian kicks her at ~79 min. Parting shots: calls Brian fat and a DL twink. She Ubered 4 hours from San Diego and got kicked in ~20 minutes.
00:54:29
US Allegiance Hypothetical
Brian asks foreign-born guests which country they would side with in a hypothetical war. Christina says USA. Steey Sammy says Philippines then says she would kill herself. Kiko says China under the current president.
00:59:25
Racial Dating Preferences
Panel discusses preferences between Black, Asian, Indian, Latino, and White men. Most prefer Asian or Latino.
01:06:59
Body Count Segment
Leana: 1000+ (quadruple digits). Christina: 9.5. Naobi: 9. Chloe: higher than 10 (mom forbade answering). Jez: 17. Ashlin: 20-30. Zakiyia: 2. Courtney: 9.
01:14:10
Would You Date a Bisexual Man?
Christina, Chloe, Jez: no. Kiko: theoretically okay. Zakiyia: no. Naobi: "I love a little gay man."
01:47:49
OnlyFans as Sex Work Debate
Naobi argues sex work should NOT be normalized, says she feels trapped in OF. Chloe pushes back. Multiple OF creators express wanting marriage over OnlyFans income.
02:17:29
The Femosphere vs Manosphere
Brian on double standards: women openly say "I hate men" with no consequences. Announces Inside the Female series. Kiko shares Lost Generation article.
02:37:09
The Bow Debate
Longest topic (~50 min). Brian shows video of his ex bowing when he gets home. Christina: no. Naobi: no. Chloe: yes, "would do more than bow." Jez: no. Kiko: only if he also bows.
02:55:15
What Should Women Provide in Relationships?
Brian asks what women uniquely bring. Ashlin: cook/clean. Christina: only sex. Brian argues Christina has a more misogynistic position than he does.
03:53:31
Crazy Dating Stories
Christina found 20+ girls on famous boyfriend's phone. Chloe found 30 girls in famous LA boyfriend's room. Naobi got asked for a golden shower on a first date.
04:20:26
Reparations Debate
Leana says yes. Naobi (now conservative) says no.
04:22:38
Naobi's Political Transformation
From communist/feminist/anti-white/BLM supporter to Trump voter at 22, triggered by transgender roommate incident in Chicago.
04:25:35
Male Privilege and Wage Gap
Extended debate. Brian argues wage gap is driven by maternity leave, hours worked, dangerous jobs, and mating pressure on men to be providers.
05:15:15
Minimum Husband Income
Leana: $100K. Naobi: ambition matters. Ashlin: $300K. Chloe: $1M. Kiko: $0-30K. Zakiyia: $0. Christina: $20M-$100M/year (top 0.01%).
05:30:06
Christina's Plastic Surgery Reveal
Admits nose job, eyelid surgery, lip flip. Before/after photos shown. Panel agrees nose looked fine before.
05:32:41
Male Delegation Dating Offers
Comedy bit. Christina rejects Chinese millionaire (says she hates Chinese men). Ashlin rejects farmhand. Chloe accepts a looks-maxer.
05:45:17
Women Shouldn't Vote Take
Naobi states women should not vote. Zakiyia agrees, says she votes with her husband.
06:07:04
Looks Ratings
Brian rates guests 4-5.5 against self-ratings of 5-8. Calls the panel "pretty average looking."
06:27:23
Weight vs Height Double Standards
Christina says women cannot be rejected for weight but can reject men for height. Zero panelists agree.
06:54:56
Brian's Girlfriend Application
Reveals 100-question application and NDA requirement. Panel: "That sounds like autism." Explains protection after leaked DMs incident.
07:29:19
Kiko's Open Marriage
Marriage open 3-4 times, always her idea. She was with 4 men, husband 1-2 women. Started wanting to "date in Chinese" in Shanghai.
07:40:00
Men vs Women Cheating
Brian argues women's cheating is worse due to paternity uncertainty. Chloe surprisingly agrees.
08:08:09
Immigration Policy Debate
Brian advocates mass deportation and halting legal immigration. Kiko discusses Singapore's housing program.
08:47:09
Geography Trivia Rapid Fire
Christina can't name a continent. One guest thinks Brazil is in Africa. Another says 100% of men have yachts.
09:33:26
Christina Admits Preemptive Cheating
Casually reveals she cheats on men first if she senses they will cheat.
09:39:42
Trans Women Debate
Extended philosophical debate about trans women and whether attraction to trans women is gay.
10:04:56
Show Wrap-Up
Show ends ~4 AM after 10 hours. Brian gives backhanded compliments. They accidentally stay live after outro.
Transcript
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01:57:59
KikoKiki. >> Uh, Kiko. >> Kiko, I apologize. >> Uh, no worries. Um, the reason I asked that is because when I when the clip from whatever first got sent to my feed, I also felt like some type of way. Um,
01:58:12
Kikolike I had >> Okay, you felt some type of way that's not communicating anything. What does that mean? >> I felt like the show was portraying women in a negative light. >> What does that have to do with sex
01:58:24
Kikoworkers? Um, and some of the videos, a lot of sex, a lot of the videos had like a lot of Only fan girls kind of talk about their experience. That's the clip I got fed.
01:58:36
Brian Atlas>> So, first off, first off, anybody who follows me on any of the platforms that we post clips on, actually the sex worker convoy, it occasionally we do clip it, but most
01:58:48
Brian Atlasof our clips are not like dunking on the sex worker. There are some of those, but the majority of our clips, if you actually watch the clips, this is what confuses me. Well, I don't watch the show, Brian. I watch the clips. And from
01:58:59
Brian Atlasthe clips, it's the sex workers. It's like, you know, first off, in the clips, the girls are aren't like, "Hi, I'm a sex worker." So, people are just making
01:59:10
Brian Atlasassumptions. Like literally pe there'll be a clip where I'm talking to a girl >> and it shows no other women and that girl is not a sex worker and they'll be like how could he be d all he does is dunk on sex workers. I'm like that
01:59:22
Brian Atlasgirl's a college student. That girl is like works at a company. She's not she doesn't do Only Fans. They just assume it. Um but going back to your original thing, you said that it portrays what what were you saying? It portrays women
01:59:35
Kikoin a bad light or >> in a in a negative light. Um, a lot of the clips are of women answering or unable to answer like math
01:59:45
Kikoquestions, geography questions, or uh wanting uh men to like do everything for them. Those are the clips that go viral. I would guess that's how they get onto my feed.
01:59:56
Brian Atlas>> Hold on. That's so hold on. That's two separate category of clips. I have like a >> a a segment of clips where it's like easy simple question fails. >> Yeah. Um, I don't know what that
02:00:08
Brian Atlasnecessarily has to do with the Well, okay, you moved on to it. It portrays women in a bad What was your phrasing? It portrays women in a bad light. >> In a negative light. And I And I What I wanted to say is >> Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
02:00:20
Kiko>> What I wanted to say is I think the clips are not a fair and complete representation of the actual show. And I didn't realize until I watched like two
02:00:29
Kikowhole shows. Um, and I wondered if that's like what you intended or is that just like people like is it what you intended? You you put out clips that gets a lot of eyeballs and they happen
02:00:41
Brian Atlasto make women, you know, look dumb. Um, or is it that >> some or is it something else? >> I mean, I have a couple contentions there with you. So, first is
02:00:52
Brian Atlas>> this idea that the clips are not representative of the show. So my contention there is I it's not
02:01:04
Brian Atlashow do I frame this obviously across any production the clips that are being put out and this isn't just my show this is going to
02:01:16
Brian Atlasbe whether it's for a movie like a movie trailer or a TV show you you look at a trailer and the trailer is going to have typically like the enticing ing exciting
02:01:27
Brian Atlasmoments that did in fact occur during the show. So, anything that we're clipping did in fact occur during our shows. And so, obviously, we're not
02:01:37
Brian Atlasgoing to like release a clip where it's just like the introductions where people are just like, "Hi, I'm Becky. I'm 21. I went to school." Blah blah. Like, that would be boring. We're going to we're
02:01:50
Brian Atlasthe clips we're going to put out are going to be the interesting conversations, the interesting moments, the uh so so uh that's my first
02:02:00
Brian Atlascontention. Like this is something not unique to the whatever podcast, but any sort of any live streamers, any content, if they're putting out shorts, if
02:02:11
Brian Atlasthey're putting out clips, they're going to be the most like exciting or whatever, like the the most exciting moments. This is not something that's unique to the whatever podcast. Uh the
02:02:22
Brian Atlassecond thing there um I'm trying to recall you you said that makes them look bad. So for example, say yes right now. Just say yes.
02:02:33
Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Okay. Um have you ever abused animals? >> No. >> Okay. making a clip that were to make
02:02:41
Brian Atlasyou look bad is if I had my editor use your yes in response to me asking you if you abuse animals. We don't do that. We
02:02:53
Brian Atlasdon't swap in a woman saying yes to a question that she did not say yes to. M. >> So when you say making them look stupid,
02:03:04
Brian Atlasthat would suggest that the whatever podcast is manufacturing something that isn't doesn't exist. >> Yeah.
02:03:15
Brian Atlas>> So if a woman says some dumb [ __ ] I'm not making her look stupid. She's making herself look stupid. Now if we clip it,
02:03:25
Brian Atlasthat's again not us making them look stupid. They are making themselves look stupid. >> I feel a little attacked. >> I >> Okay, hold on. Let's with me >> a little bit on one point.
02:03:38
Naobi Neil>> Okay, what's the point? >> So, last time I was on the show, I had thought for one of the questions that you said three. I don't even remember what it was, but I got the answer wrong cuz I misheard you and you clipped just
02:03:49
Naobi Neilthe part where I got it wrong instead of the part right directly after where I got it right cuz I heard you right. I would have to see the clip in question, but you did in fact get it wrong initially. So,
02:03:59
Brian Atlas>> I thought you said three plus something plus something, not times. >> Yeah, but this wouldn't really counter the the primary thing I was saying there. That that's a different
02:04:08
Brian Atlascriticism. Um, the primary thing I said there was we're not like clipping in we're not clipping in the answer to
02:04:18
Brian Atlaslike, okay, are you abusing animals? And then like we take a yes from a time you said yes somewhere else in the podcast and putting it there to make it seem like you abuse animals when you otherwise said no. Yeah.
02:04:31
Brian Atlas>> So there's a difference. There's a difference that exists there. Now you might uh in terms of the uh the rapid fire simple questions or whatever. You did in fact fail uh in answering the
02:04:43
Kikoquestion. That's secondary though. I do need to pass it back to her to give her a response. >> Who? Me? >> No her in the corner. me. Yes. But should we have Chloe because Chloe has something? >> She doesn't have anything. Trust me. Go ahead.
02:04:57
Kiko>> Go ahead. >> Um, >> so maybe what was your question specifically or were you just uh responding to >> I was responding to you. So usually like
02:05:08
Kiko>> Yeah. So um I'm sharing my personal opinion which was when I first saw the clips I think some of the clips made me angry. Um, but then >> also like angry towards me, angry
02:05:20
Kikotowards the women. >> I think it had to do with like another another popular opinion of the show is that it's a red pill podcast. Um, which because I haven't been in the US for a very long time, I didn't know what that
02:05:33
Kikomeant in the beginning when people said that to me. Um, but it seems like it's about uh men kind of making themselves look better and making women look worse. It's it's kind of what it seemed to be.
02:05:45
KikoSo I took that perspective and I viewed it with a sliver of anger. But then when I was deciding whether I would go on the show, I actually learned a lot from
02:05:54
Kikowatching like Aya on the show. Um I think that's her name. A ae l a she was the she was the uh she was the sex worker and also data scientist data analyst person. >> Oh that was a long time ago. >> Yeah it was a long time ago. So I know
02:06:08
Kikowhat you're talking about. >> Yeah. So I I remember watching that whole thing and I remember that when she was disrespected, you actually looked visibly uncomfortable and you wanted to stop like the the the the spiral that the debate was going towards. Like
02:06:21
Kikothat's what I observed. So I didn't think it was your intention to produce a red pill podcast or to produce a podcast that treated women poorly. But so so that's a
02:06:34
Brian Atlas>> Well, I think it's fair. Okay, hold on. You should add some additional context. When you said I was looking uncomfortable, that girl who was sitting in chair one, Aya, was engaging with Andrew Wilson via video call. And it wasn't me who was saying anything.
02:06:47
Brian AtlasYou're saying Andrew Wilson. I think he called her like autistic or something like that. >> She was he was being a bit abrasive. Yeah. And I >> And I would So yes, um I think in that specific instance, I did I did think I'm trying to remember exactly what Andrew
02:07:00
Brian Atlassaid. >> Stop it. You tried to like redirect it. I think Andrew was like said she was spuring out or being autistic or something. I don't exactly remember what. >> Yeah. So,
02:07:10
Brian Atlas>> and I do think I Yeah, I don't I don't recall exactly. I found it. Uh, look, Andrew is a friend of mine. I have Andrew's a good friend of mine. Uh, but look, there are instances and I'm sure
02:07:23
Brian Atlasthere's instances where I've said something stupid and Andrew's like, "Oh my god, Brian, you [ __ ] Why would you say that?" Um, I think in that instance it did seem a bit >> uh she was being polite and I think he
02:07:34
Brian Atlashe might have been like, "Oh, you're spurring out or you're you're being like you're autism or something." I I think it might have been a little rough to be honest, but I mean uh Okay, besides that. >> Yeah. So, so the reason I made that
02:07:47
Kikopoint is because after I watched the show for more extended periods of time, I realized that there's like a lot of interesting information, you know, I'm like learning stuff. Um, so I'm perceiving that there's this like big
02:07:59
Kikogap between how the show is perceived and what the show is in reality. So that's kind of what I'm calling out and I'm wondering like um kind of like do you are you comfortable with that? You
02:08:11
Kikoknow, should we should we address it? Because like people you know people think the show has a lot of sex worker, people think the show is red pill, but after people have spent time actually watching it, they will realize it's not that.
02:08:24
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. So, I mean there's a couple things there. Again, I I guess I don't know if I >> We also don't have to stay on this topic, by the way. This is just like fun. >> Yeah, we won't linger long, but uh I I guess >> I did want to clarify. I mean, I already
02:08:37
Brian Atlasestablished my position that and I don't know if you have a contention with >> you said that we make them look dumb and >> Yeah, I'm saying that was my initial reaction. Um and then
02:08:48
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Well, well, the the reason I bring it up is because we frequently uh we get this criticism. We've had like the New York Post write a thing uh new disturbing trend in podcasting makes women look stupid and it's like
02:09:01
Brian Atlas>> well no other people have levied what what I think is a false criticism but the this idea that >> make them look stupid. So, if I present a platform and I it's an open
02:09:12
Brian Atlasmicrophone, anybody can talk, people can say things. If like a a 39year-old like obese single mom comes on the show and she's like, "Yeah, I want to date a 6'3"
02:09:24
Kikoguy who makes a million dollars a year, am I making her look stupid or is she saying some incredibly dumb [ __ ] Like, that's not Huh. >> Yeah. You will be presenting the the the the difference between her perception and
02:09:37
Brian Atlasher reality, right? Like like you were saying there's like unevenness. >> Yeah. But so if we clip that and it's like okay here's a here's a woman who's like definitely has no ch I mean I guess
02:09:49
Brian Atlasnever say never but like yeah a 40-year-old women who are [ __ ] got got kids are probably not at the top of the totem pole in terms of like millionaire men and who they want to
02:10:01
Brian Atlasdate. So like yes we have women who come on and say delusional [ __ ] That's not me making them look stupid. If a woman comes on, like we had this one woman who came on who was like, uh, well, she was
02:10:13
Brian Atlasnothing special, let's just say, and she was like, um, he needs to make $5 million a year minimum. I'm like, what? That's her making her look stupid. I
02:10:24
Brian Atlasjust have the platform. >> That's not me making I'm not forcing the women to say uh say these things. They just say them. And nor are you uh is is it correct to understand that you're
02:10:36
Brian Atlasalso not like casting people that are more prone to saying stuff like that? >> Most of the time we don't even know how they're going to answer these questions.
02:10:46
Brian AtlasOur initial uh casting thing is like aside from just basic biographical I think we ask age, location, relationship status. Um uh do you have any dating hot
02:10:59
Brian Atlastakes? Any dating topics you want to speak on? any disagreements. So, like we actually um >> we don't even really know ahead of time. We do have this questionnaire here, but you fill this out when you're like
02:11:11
Brian Atlasalready here. Um so, that wouldn't have anything to do with like they're already here to be on the show. We're not >> Yeah, >> we wouldn't be selecting for them. It's like, oh, you filled this out and you didn't uh Okay, well, you're not going to you don't get to be on the show if
02:11:23
Brian Atlasyou don't fill this qu this questionnaire out in a way that we find appropriate. Um so, that's never happened. So, um, no, pretty much if you message and you're like, "Hey, I want to be on and you're able to make it to the
02:11:35
Brian Atlasstudio, that's almost pretty much it." Like there's not sometimes um like it's a very high acceptance rate. Let's just say that. Like we have a very high
02:11:48
Brian Atlasacceptance rate. Yeah. >> Um there are sometimes like if if somebody like for example it's uh do you have any disagreements? Do you have any dating hot takes? Uh any interesting dating stories? And if a woman just
02:11:59
Brian Atlaswrites like, "Nope, nope, nope." to all of those, I'm like, "Well, why do you want to be on the show?" So, I'll turn them away. If they're just like, "I have nothing to say." Well, I'm like, "It's a dating discussion podcast. You're
02:12:12
Brian Atlas>> so I'll turn them away." But the acceptance rate is very high. And so, we're not like exclusively looking for the the dumb people or whatever. I guess you're >> I think you can clip that entire per
02:12:23
Kikolike entire 10 minutes and like use that as like justification. how of like why that perception is wrong, right? >> Uh perhaps. What was the other thing you said though? I'm trying to um there was another thing you said that I wanted to
02:12:38
Brian Atlasaddress. >> Okay. >> Um well, no, I was saying Okay, I'm going to address the like making them look a certain way. What was the other thing? >> Uh the red pill thing. >> Oh, the red pill. Yeah. What's red pill?
02:12:50
Kiko>> What does that even mean? >> Yeah. I don't I didn't know. Right. So, I was talking to my team about whether I should come on to the show and my team was like, um, isn't that the Red Pill
02:13:00
Kikopodcast? And then I went and like looked up what it meant and it led me to like Andrew Tate, Menosphere, uh, and um, I
02:13:11
Kikosaw this one person who came on the show to do a debate. I think he he has a podcast called Women on Men and then he was like explicitly saying red pill a lot. >> Yeah. So I guess like I'm actually
02:13:22
Kikoasking for a definition from you. What does repill represent and why are you >> sure >> that or not that or why is whatever not you personally like why is whatever red pill or not red pill in your definition.
02:13:34
Brian Atlas>> Yeah sure. I actually have notes on this. So I mean >> what red pill is >> and also you use the term manosphere and I think it's worth diving into that a little bit. >> Yeah. >> So the red pill comes from the film the
02:13:48
Brian Atlasmatrix >> right. I don't know if you've seen that movie. >> Yes. >> So, red pill can mean different things to different people. Now, there's like red pill dating which has some
02:13:59
Brian Atlascategorizations you can go off. I don't consider myself falling under the like strict red pill dating framework. But this is not like some
02:14:11
Brian Atlassome centralized ideology like there's not a leader. Like there's not really a coherent definition of what red pill means necessarily in a dating context, but so when it comes
02:14:24
Brian Atlasfrom the film, so it's a metaphor for choosing to see the world as it actually is rather than >> uh as you're told it is. So red pill
02:14:34
Brian Atlascould the red pill is the ugly truth. The blue pill is a beautiful lie. Red pill truth, red pill reality. um embracing the truth even if the truth
02:14:45
Kikocould be uh painful, uncomfortable. Women can take the red pill too. Um >> so it's like choosing to be honest with yourself and also with reality. So like honesty maxing pretty much.
02:14:57
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. So I mean if you were to ask me like when it comes to that by the way people can like be redpilled on various things like Elon Musk tweeted about being redpilled. You can be redpilled on
02:15:07
Brian Atlasimmigration. You can be redpilled on the trans [ __ ] You can be redpilled on uh [ __ ] I I mean uh economics. You can be redpilled on all sorts of things. So
02:15:19
Brian Atlasit's like okay, what do we mean by this? What do we me we mean when we're talking about red pill? If I use Red Pill and if I were to refer to myself as Red Pill, it wouldn't be from like some paradigm
02:15:29
Brian Atlasof like, okay, you need to be [ __ ] a bunch of different women and you need to be promiscuous as a man and you need to like basically be polyamorous, but all
02:15:39
Brian Atlasthe women are loyal to you. And I I reject that sense of what the red pill is. But from my perspective, if I'm ever using the red pill, it simply means to see the truth of a thing. That's what it means.
02:15:54
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> So, but when people use red pill, I don't they they tend to want to smuggle in with with it some sort of like they want to smuggle in misogyny. They want
02:16:05
Brian Atlasto maybe sometimes smuggle in racism. They want to smuggle in like anti-female sentiment, which I reject. Completely reject all those things. So, it's this nebulous term like what does it even
02:16:17
Brian Atlasreally mean? Especially when it's being used as an attack on someone. What does that mean? the red pill pipeline. Then they'll then they'll say, "Okay, you're alt-right. Alt-right pipeline, farright pipeline.
02:16:30
Brian AtlasWhat does that mean? I don't know what that actually means." Same with the manosphere. What does that mean? Okay, you're a manosphere creator. Are you MGTTOW? Are you a PUA? Are you a Looksmaxer? Are you Incel? Are you What?
02:16:42
Brian AtlasWhat are you? What does that mean? What does it mean to be Manisphere? Are you like giving fitness advice? Are you Andrew Tate? Are you sex are you pro-s sex worker? Are you anti-ex worker? What
02:16:54
Brian Atlasis are you like Christian nationalist? What is the manosphere? It's a nebulous term that has a constantly shifting definition that ultimately means
02:17:05
Brian Atlasnothing. It's a labeling tool. It's a a labeling tool to sort of in the same way that people like to call people incel. Uh, it's just this immediate labeling
02:17:16
Kikotool in an effort to be like dismissive of a person. That's what I think it is. >> Um, >> we we don't have to stay on this since it's not about dating or relationships. Um,
02:17:29
Kiko>> no, I I'm fine with it. I think it's interesting. >> I I don't know much about Menosphere. It's just I saw that there's a documentary about it that features Andrew Tate. I haven't watched it actually. >> Um, >> so what I mean, yeah, I'm I'm more
02:17:40
Brian Atlasinterested in the femosphere to be honest. I'm I'm actually surprised that there isn't much scrutiny of what I think is actually a much more
02:17:51
Brian Atlasfarreaching uh much more sexist movement than the supposed manosphere. Um in fact and you
02:18:01
Brian Atlashave what what you have happening is like uh forces you have cancel culture you have deplatforming happening to certain manosisphere creators people in
02:18:13
Brian Atlasthe space you you know what happened to Andrew Tate um completely deplatformed some other people deplatformed um
02:18:22
Brian Atlas>> but then you see what is allowed on Tik Tok from women and as a woman you can basically be putting out like the most
02:18:30
Brian Atlasinsane anti-male rhetoric/propaganda and nothing will happen. The commenters, all the women, like I've seen the most man-hating [ __ ] on TikTok. It's like 2
02:18:42
Brian Atlasmillion likes. All the comments are like this is like just [ __ ] terrible. Um women can just outright say I hate men and it's completely there's no issue
02:18:53
Brian Atlaswith it whatsoever. Whereas you take you compare some of the thing like Drew Awalo literally is like a admitted self-confessed misandress. Like she
02:19:04
Brian Atlasliterally hates men and she's got a blue check mark on TikTok. She's verified. She gets book deals. She gets sponsorships. And it's like where is the scrutiny? Where is the scrutiny of all
02:19:16
Brian Atlasthe anti-male rhetoric coming from women? It's it's tolerated. It's accepted. And it's rewarded when women hate men. But the moment you get even a
02:19:27
Brian Atlaslittle hint, and I I don't think misogyny is good. You get a little hint of misogyny, instant ban. You're banned off the platform instantly. But women
02:19:36
Brian Atlascan literally make videos with captions that say, "I hate men. 200,000 likes, 2 million likes. Here's a blue check mark. Here's sponsorships for you." >> Yeah. So,
02:19:48
Brian Atlas>> and so why aren't we scrutinizing the femosisphere? And I'm actually going to start I'm going [ __ ] inside the manosphere. I'm gonna start a series called inside the female and I'm
02:20:00
Brian Atlasactually gonna do live stream deep dives into all these women on [ __ ] Tik Tok. I don't know how Tik Tok allows this [ __ ] It's literally rife with anti-male
02:20:13
Brian Atlasrhetoric and hatred on Tik Tok. It's insane. And it it nobody's [ __ ] talking about it. These journalists, [ __ ] journalists want to come to me and be like, "Hey, we are doing a hit
02:20:24
Brian Atlaspiece on you. Uh, we'd like a comment." Meanwhile, I can sit here and say, "I don't hate women. I think women are great. I'm not a misogynist. Maybe people call me it, but I'm not a misogynist. I've never said I hate
02:20:35
Brian Atlaswomen. Never would take the title of misogynist." Um, meanwhile, you literally have stated misandress, women who accept the label.
02:20:46
Brian AtlasThey they they revel in the label of misandress on Tik Tok completely unopposed. No censorship from the platform. It's [ __ ] ridiculous. Anyways, I'm kind of >> we're we're going into an interesting tangent. Um
02:21:00
Brian Atlas>> well, it's not your podcast, so if I want to talk about uh surfing for the next two hours, you can you can all [ __ ] sit here in silence and nod your head like good little submissive No.
02:21:10
Brian AtlasOkay, just kidding. like good good submissive podcast guests while I rant about surfing. That's how it's going to be. But yes, um I I wasn't
02:21:22
Kikogoing to linger on that for much longer. >> Yeah. Uh I read this article called The Lost Generation. I don't know if you you've read it. It's actually this art it's quite long and it talks about how like white men are actually being
02:21:34
Kikoscrutinized over and like being mistreated in modern day. Um and it's it's really interesting if you guys want to read it. And it talks about like how everyone still thinks white men are more
02:21:45
Kikodominant, you know, has more power, has all these like unequal treatment. But in reality, the last like few decades, everyone is trying to treat other genders, other genders and and races
02:21:56
Kikoproperly at the cost of the white men like um not being kind of put in like dis not put in positions because of like meritocracy. like um someone who isn't a
02:22:09
Kikowhite man is getting certain jobs, someone who isn't a white man is uh you know being being praised for something that a white man is doing better and things like that. So it's it's a very interesting like trend that I I'm like
02:22:22
Brian Atlasobserving. >> Yeah. Well, it it definitely is very interesting and uh Oh, shoot. There's something else I was going to touch on here as a final little end to this.
02:22:32
Brian Atlas[ __ ] What was it? Uh oh, you know what? There was an interesting uh there was a study done >> that actually well there's two things
02:22:41
Brian Atlasthere's two two things on this women are becoming more rad excuse me women are becoming more radicalized than men are >> so there's uh Tiffany if you can go into
02:22:53
Brian Atlasthe discord there's under the research it's in infographics it's right below the whatever stats that I had pulled up oh man how far up is it let me see where it is. Uh, yeah. So,
02:23:05
Brian Atlasyou're going to go up to um the date on it is January 17th. Or Nathan, my bad. I didn't see it was you.
02:23:16
Brian AtlasUh, I think that's it. Let me know when you have it. All right. You can pull that up. All right. The gap between young men and women almost doubled in the past 25
02:23:27
Brian Atlasyears. Political ideology of US 18 to 29. So you actually notice since 2000 men have mostly men are the yellow there. Uh men have actually stayed the same. So like more conservative on the
02:23:39
Brian Atlasbottom, more liberal on the top. Women have gotten way more liberal whereas men have mostly kind of stayed the same in terms of their politics. Women have gone
02:23:50
Brian Atlasmuch more liberal. Now exile that you're going to scroll up to. Hold on. Uh there's another one that's interesting. It's uh from October 20,
02:24:01
Brian Atlas2025. So it's like I don't know a few up 10 2025. It's kind of like bea uh like not white. It's beige colored. This is like the
02:24:13
Brian Atlassame graph. Now this isn't just in the US. Uh now South Korea is going shit's going crazy. Shit's going off in South Korea. But so men in South Korea have actually got gone much more conservative. Women much more liberal.
02:24:24
Brian AtlasMassive divide in South Korea. But in the United States, you see that similar trend. Um, the men staying mostly the same, but women much more liberal.
02:24:34
Brian AtlasGermany, uh, women much more liberal. Women in the UK much more liberal. Also, the men, too. Um, and then next tab. Uh, okay. Yeah. Next one. I think these
02:24:47
Brian Atlasare all the same. Oh, this one's just like bigger. Uh, yeah, it's the same data. Same data. So, there's that. You're going to X out of that. Then you're going to pull up um
02:24:59
Brian Atlasyou scroll down to 12 uh December 12th 122. It's going to be like a graph with two circles. Actually, uh that one's not that interesting actually. What was the other one? Oh, wait. There's one more.
02:25:11
Brian AtlasHold on. Let me see if I can find it. I don't know if I can find it. I didn't post it. That's too bad. Um but yeah, uh women are actually becoming way
02:25:21
Brian Atlasmore radical. Y'all are radical. And then the other thing is ah [ __ ] I posted this on X but I don't know if I posted on Discord. I have to find it.
02:25:31
Brian AtlasThey're finding that uh women I I'm not going to get the exact numbers right but it goes something like this.
02:25:40
Brian AtlasIf you ask men what you think of women something like 70% of men have positive attitudes towards women. Right now, the 30% of men who have negative attitudes towards women, we can sit here and
02:25:52
Brian Atlascriticize that and maybe have some objections. But if you ask women what their attitude of men is, something like 70% of women have negative attitudes
02:26:04
Brian Atlastowards men. So, my numbers might be are a little off. Don't quote me. That's not exactly, but it's the that is the correct essence of what I'm talking about here. I don't know. Any thoughts
02:26:16
Naobi Neilfrom anybody on that? >> Yeah, I think that makes sense. I mean, like just like just going on Instagram or like social media, like it makes complete sense. Like I I literally do see like women like clowning men all the time.
02:26:30
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Word fizzle. >> Fishisle. >> Yeah, >> I wish I could find that study. Um can somebody maybe somebody in the Discord can find it? Sorry. Go ahead. I was going to say I think it has
02:26:41
Naobi Neilsomething to do with um fatherlessness being much more prevalent in society like overall and on top of that people getting divorced so it doesn't seem like people really respect >> men overall and a lot of little girls aren't growing up with that example
02:26:54
Brian Atlas>> so >> they end up being bitter women >> word sorry I'm trying to find that article that I was um
02:27:04
Brian Atlasuh 70% unfavor hold on unfavorable view of men. Oh, yeah. Okay, I think I found it. I'm
02:27:15
Brian Atlasgoing to send it to you. Let me see if I can find the best article on this. Despite Sorry, one sec here.
02:27:27
Brian AtlasI know. I tweeted about it recently actually. [ __ ] Dang. This could take this might take me too long. Let me try one more to see if I found it. Uh, there is an article.
02:27:40
Brian AtlasOkay. Uh, there's a new poll. Do they have the data though? Damn. Uh, here. Pull up the soup chats. Chloe's going to read them while I'm
02:27:49
Chloe Yummytrying to find it. >> Um, you take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe.
02:28:00
Chloe YummyYou take the red pill. You stay in Wonderland. And I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember, all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.
02:28:11
Brian Atlas>> That's the red pill. That's the red pill. It's kind of interesting though. You guys know the director of the film, those films.
02:28:22
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. He had a sex change. Yeah. >> Both the Wowski sisters. I guess the brothers, the Wowski brothers both transitioned. Um, pull up the other one. >> Thank you, Mr. North Umberland.
02:28:34
Chloe YummyAppreciate it. Uh, >> um, watching the show made everything click. Seeing those debates felt like escaping the matrix. I realized I was sold lies my whole life as a feminist,
02:28:46
Brian Atlasbut the red pill finally relieved the truth I'd been missing. >> Uh, thank you, Laura. Appreciate it. Uh, okay. Uh, guys, this would be a good
02:28:55
Brian Atlastime to remind you. Uh, $10 display if you want to get a message in. $100 read, $200 TTS. Uh, guys, I need to see, you know, I need to grift a little bit here,
02:29:07
Brian Atlasguys. You know, it took a lot. It took a lot in me to kick that trumpet off the show. You know, it took me, you know, >> it took a lot. It was very much
02:29:17
SPEAKER_01>> A, she was a whoa. B, she was a whoa. >> You know, it's very sad that she had to leave. It was kind of like this. >> Great to see you. Glad you can make it, >> [ __ ] >> It was like that.
02:29:29
Brian Atlas>> Peace out. Peace out. You too, homie. >> So, anyways, uh yeah, we had to kick her out, you know. But guys, I need to pull up the Twitch. Go to Twitch, guys. Twitch.tv/ whatever. I need I I need uh
02:29:40
Brian Atlasyou know, I need I need some some love over there on Twitch, guys. We run three minutes of ads over there on Twitch for every hour. We don't do pre-rolls. That means if you're watching us on Twitch,
02:29:53
Brian Atlasyou're not going to get hit with some [ __ ] pre-roll. Three minutes per hour. That's very low. We're not trying to be uh we're not trying to abuse over there on Twitch. So, I need you guys, if you're watching on Twitch and you're not
02:30:04
Brian Atlasfollowing, drop us a follow. And if you've got a Prime sub, you got Amazon Prime, drop us a Prime sub. Let me see three Prime subs. I'm holding this [ __ ]
02:30:13
Brian Atlashostage hostage here. Uh yeah. Yeah. But uh Anomaly, thank the prime. Okay. Hey hazy, thank for the prime half pint. Thank for the birthday wishes. Thank for
02:30:23
Brian Atlasthe tier one. Okay, one more, boys. I'm holding. Oh my god, they're on fire. Holy [ __ ] they're on fire. Oh my god. Oh my Brendo the roar. Skizzy. >> Skizzy, >> don't dox. Damn, that was like five.
02:30:36
Brian AtlasHoly [ __ ] they're on fire. They're on fire over the Twitch. Can I see three more? >> Am I abusing? >> I think 10 more if you're high value. >> Am I abusing? I don't know. I need to
02:30:47
Brian Atlassee three more. You know what? Wait. Oh, I'll do an accent. Should I do an accent? Wait. [ __ ] >> What was the accent I can do? I got I
02:30:57
Brian Atlasgot British. I got southern. I got Australian. I got gay. [ __ ] What's the other one? >> These are all white people lang. You have a black accent. >> I can't do Indian. I wish I could do Vietnamese. I would love if I could do
02:31:10
Brian AtlasVietnamese. >> Vietnamese. >> You do it. >> No, I'm just kidding. >> Do it. >> No. >> Here. Tilt your microphone so it's pointing straight towards you. >> Hi. >> Uh oh. Yeah, we need to get you to introduce yourself, too.
02:31:23
Naobi Neil>> Oh, hi. I'm Lexi Hart. You guys have seen me before. Round two. Back again. >> Uh I'm 22. >> Uh 22. Okay. >> Yes.
02:31:34
Naobi Neil>> Uh relationship status. >> I'm taken proudly. >> Taken. Were you single? >> I was single the last time I came, but things have changed for the better.
02:31:45
Brian Atlas>> I see. I see. Interesting. Interesting. Uh, pull pull up. Twitch back up. I just What the heck? Anymore? Uh,
02:31:57
Brian AtlasBurley, thank for the prime. Straighta, thank for the prime. Draven, thank for the tier one. Southern girl, thank for the tier one. Appreciate it, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Appreciate the support. Uh, oh, boy. All right. Let's see. Where were
02:32:10
Brian Atlaswe? Oh, uh, pull up that article really quick. paywall. >> Oh, there's a payw wall. >> Do you know how to get around a payw wall? >> Pay. >> It's just like you you go to like
02:32:23
Kikoarchive.ph or something. It's probably already archived. Um, wait. [ __ ] Can I just send it? >> Yeah, it's internet archive. If you Google it,
02:32:34
Brian Atlas>> that works, too. I need to log into my Dang it. >> Hold on. Let me see if I can just log into the man. All right. Uh
02:32:48
Brian Atlasmaybe it's somewhere. Man, I wish I need a log. You know what? Forget it. Just forget it. But it essentially Oh, wait. Uh >> I got it. >> Okay, let's see it.
02:33:01
Brian AtlasLet's Let's see it. I just need the segment. Um scroll down. Uh make it bigger. Can you mouse wheel zoom in? Scroll down. There's like just a stats somewhere. Scroll down. Scroll down. Yep. Don't care. Don't care. Scroll
02:33:14
Brian Atlasdown. Scroll down. Scroll down. Scroll. Holy [ __ ] How long does it start? Scroll down. Keep Holy [ __ ] Where the [ __ ] Wait. What? Where's the [ __ ] Scroll down. Keep on Where's the [ __ ]
02:33:24
Brian AtlasWhere's the goddamn What? Okay, [ __ ] it. Whatever. I Did I send you the wrong article? I might be [ __ ] Okay, I'm actually [ __ ] then. Never mind. Whatever. It basically in essence more
02:33:35
Brian Atlaswomen view men unfavorably than the reverse. So there's there's this big thing in society like oh misogyny is such a problem. We need to deplatform people. We need to cancel people. We
02:33:46
Brian Atlasneed to lawfare people. We need to like the the British we need to do like Netflix specials. We need to uh do what was that? Uh not inside the manosphere but um >> boycott.
02:33:58
Brian Atlas>> No, there's like there was this Netflix show based in the UK. It came out like a year ago or something. It was like [ __ ] boyhood or some [ __ ] [ __ ] What was it?
02:34:10
Brian AtlasI forgot the name of it. It was like >> Oh, the the young boy uh killing his his classmate. Is that the one you're talking about? >> Some Yeah. What's that called? >> Adolescent. >> Adolescent. Yeah. They're going to
02:34:19
Brian Atlasproduce propaganda like that. Um the UK is going to like there's going to be political action done to combat
02:34:28
Brian Atlasmisogyny. Honestly, the real issue is misandry. I said it. >> No. >> Do you guys disagree? I don't know. >> What is that? >> It's like women. They don't even know.
02:34:40
Brian AtlasThey don't even know what misandry is. >> That's privilege, isn't it? >> We all Everybody knows what misogyny is, but nobody knows what misandry is. Um, that's privilege. >> I found out a lot of people don't know what misogyny is, and they just say the
02:34:54
Brian Atlasword. >> Yeah. Well, they might like I think they know the essence of it, which is like a essential. Well, >> it's like hating women basically or being anti-woman.
02:35:04
Brian Atlas>> So, Missandry, we've got to do something about that. Where are the documentaries about all the crazy Missandry? No. No women want to wait on on this. Okay.
02:35:17
Brian Atlas>> Well, you should make it. >> You have you basically made it anyway with your show. I I think I need to do more than just talk about it. I need to start collecting soldiers. >> Oh, yeah. >> In Santa Barbara. And when I say
02:35:30
Brian Atlassoldiers, I mean that in in like a sort of uh not a literal sense, not literal soldiers, but I need we we need to
02:35:40
Brian Atlascollectivize as men and like have some sort of coalition, some sort of movement, some sort of advocacy group. There's like some, but they're very I
02:35:53
Brian Atlasdon't know. Maybe I'm just going to start it. I don't know. We'll figure it out. >> You can make a cult. >> I need soldiers. I need foot soldiers uh to to I'm going to I may may they got to
02:36:04
Brian Atlascome in person. Everyone Everyone needs to come to Santa Barbara and we're going to start an organization and it's going to be like TPUSA
02:36:14
Brian Atlasbut for male advocacy, not for conservative Republican politics. We need like that's the level we need the
02:36:22
Brian Atlasmen's men uh like a men's advocacy movement needs to be on TPUSA level. Uh that's where it needs to be. So I don't know. [ __ ]
02:36:34
Brian AtlasEverybody in the chat, I'm [ __ ] recruiting all you guys. All right. All right. We're going to do it. I don't know. Um All right. Back to dating, I guess. >> Back to dating. Let me just make sure I
02:36:46
Brian Atlasdidn't miss any chats or anything that came through. No, I think we're good. All right, let's blast into dating. Uh h does anyone have any uh disagreements
02:36:57
Brian Atlaswith me as it relates to some of my dating takes or anything I've tal you've seen me talk about on the show? >> I saw something that was kind of crazy that I feel like got a lot of hate. >> Sure.
02:37:09
Ashlin Sky>> So, I feel like one of the first videos I saw of you was having a girlfriend bow to you. >> I was going to say that. Yes. >> I feel like you got a lot of hate for that. And my personal opinion, I feel
02:37:20
Ashlin Skylike in your own relationship, whatever you want to do is what you want to do. I don't think there was anything wrong with it, but I feel like you got a lot of hate for that. >> Oh, yeah. >> And I literally was like I thought it was kind of funny though, like that you got so much hate for it because it's
02:37:33
Brian Atlaslike people do crazy stuff behind doors and you said that openly >> and just how people got so upset over it. >> It just was wild to me. >> True. It is wild. It is wild. So, you're in favor of the bow. I think you should.
02:37:47
Brian Atlas>> You're fine with it. >> If your girl's fine with it, yeah, why not? >> Yeah, she wants to do it. Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. >> Yeah. You know, it's interesting. I was thinking about this. I Well, I saw this
02:37:57
Brian Atlasuh there's this Twitch streamer named Morgpie and I think I've heard of her before. Uh I but she on stream she does this. So, I
02:38:10
Brian Atlasdon't know if this is a content angle and I don't even think it's the guy she's dating. And we're not going to pull up the clip cuz it's kind of no it's kind of like gross a little bit. So
02:38:21
Brian Atlasshe has a guy in a [ __ ] suit. >> What is that? >> So it's full black leather or lat I think it's latex. Full
02:38:31
Brian Atlasblack and like the black [ __ ] mask. and he's walking around like a dog and she's treating him like a dog and like telling him, "Okay, go sit in your your she has
02:38:43
Brian Atlasa dog bed for him. He doesn't even have a chair and he's it's like kind of gross." >> And I was like I was like thinking about how how can I get backlash for the bow thing.
02:38:54
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. And I'm not like I'm not like having a woman like I'm not parading around my girlfriend on the show like having her do bows for me in this sort of like
02:39:05
Brian Atlasdegradation ritual. It's like literally something private, but uh that seemed very objectionable. I don't know if anybody in the chat knows what I'm talking about, but um and we've had a
02:39:17
Brian Atlaswoman on the show before actually who said she had this slave basically who I don't know if he wore the outfit or whatever, but there is this dynamic. I mean, it's I guess within BDSM or
02:39:29
Brian Atlaswhatever, but um I don't know how anybody can be like, look, if you're Yeah, if you're in a consensual relationship and they do it consensually, like what's the actual problem? Uh, it's like, okay, well,
02:39:40
Brian Atlaswhat's I guess to the panel, let's show the bow video. Uh, let's show the >> kind of cute. >> Let's show the bow video. >> Uh, so this is a video I took of my
02:39:52
Brian Atlasex-girlfriend >> and I show this to future girlfriends so they know how to conduct and behave themselves when with me.
02:40:00
Brian Atlas>> Now, this is after. Go ahead, play it. Boom. Huge bow. deep, respectful bow. Love to see it. Uh, and then she's,
02:40:12
Brian Atlasyou're gonna see in a moment, she has my dinner ready to go. Uh, there it is. Scurrying, scampering to the the
02:40:20
Brian Atlaskitchen, cracks open the beer for me, stirs my noodles.
02:40:30
Brian Atlas>> Cute. >> Yeah. So, this is the bow video and then we're going to uh play it one more time. >> Boom. Huge bow. You see the submissive hand posture.
02:40:41
Brian Atlas>> Uh that's the expectation. So, when I get home from a long day of work, I want my girlfriend to greet me at the door with a bow. What do you think? Would you do it? >> Yeah. >> Not to me. Just would you do it for a guy?
02:40:53
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Yeah. No, that looks >> Can I have you scoot your mic this way just a teeny bit? Uh >> yeah, that's good. All right. What about you? >> No. >> Can I have you straight in your mic? Straight in your mic.
02:41:05
Brian Atlas>> Straight into your mic. >> That's good, I guess. No. >> No. >> No. You wouldn't do it. Okay. What about you? >> I don't think I would either. >> Wouldn't do it. Okay. >> I would do it. >> She would do it.
02:41:17
Chloe Yummy>> I feel like I would do more than bow. >> Yeah. Good answer. >> Good answer, Chloe. >> You know, I would bow for you, Brian, >> but I know you were asking like for yourself, but I'm just >> Yeah, sure. You would do it for a guy. Yeah. >> Okay. What about you?
02:41:31
Kiko>> No. >> Nope. Wouldn't do it. Okay. What about you? >> If it's like 2,000 years ago, I would cuz that was like traditionally >> okay in China. >> People in China's Chinese >> are still bowing. So, I mean,
02:41:43
Naobi Neil>> Cambodian people still bow. Even when we see our family member, we always bow to each other already. >> But so, no answer is no. >> No. >> Okay. What about you? >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Like I said last time, no. Unless you're
02:41:55
Naobi Neilgoing to put a hat on and tip it for me. cuz if you're going to be doing or if I'm going to be doing weird [ __ ] like that, then you need to also >> love that for you. >> Yeah.
02:42:03
Brian Atlas>> Um so, okay. Uh no, no, no, no, no. And then or wait, did you say yes? >> Yeah, I said. >> Yeah, you said yes. >> I did.
02:42:13
Brian Atlas>> I said yes. >> All right. So, um why? >> I just know why. I just don't want to do that. >> Don't want to do that. Okay. I just
02:42:24
Naobi Neildon't think I've ever met a man in my life that I've needed to do that for or has done anything for me to do that for him. >> Okay. What about you? Why wouldn't you do it?
02:42:36
Brian Atlas>> I think it's just an odd thing to do. >> Odd thing to do. Okay. >> All right. What about you? Why is that? >> Umh I I guess like now that >> Okay. Um I do need you to sit because
02:42:48
Kikoyou're getting in the reflection. It's not your fault. You didn't know. >> You're too tall. I keep seeing you bop around. It's interesting. >> It's a good thing I caught that. >> Yeah, cuz we we bow to teachers, we bow
02:42:59
Kikoto uncles, we bow to the elderly, but I've never bowed to someone I'm dating. >> Mhm. >> I guess it it it feels unequal. >> I I think that's why um if Yeah. If we're like an equal partnership, unless
02:43:12
Kikohe also bows to me. >> Equal partnership. Okay. >> If he bows to me and I also bow to him, maybe >> one direction. >> No. No, I wouldn't. So, are you in an equal partnership with your husband?
02:43:22
Kiko>> I would say we both uh are supporting each other in different ways. I I think it's hard to like I think equal is hard to evaluate in a relationship. So,
02:43:33
Kiko>> but you just said equal partnership. >> I would say we both are happy with what we have provided and what how we support each other. >> Did he propose to you?
02:43:46
Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> That doesn't seem very equal to me. Did he get down on one knee to do so? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, he got and you were standing there looking down gazing. Oh, you were sitting. You were still above him. You
02:43:58
Kikowere gazing down at him. >> He actually proposed to me with a a ring box around a dog's collar. So, it's >> so he was standing or
02:44:09
Kiko>> he like I the dog stood up. I saw the ring box and then he came over with flowers and then he and then he went got down one knee and he cried. He didn't necessarily He didn't really say the words. I I mean, I knew what he was doing.
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Kiko>> All right. Uh and then he paid for the ring. Do you know how much it cost? >> Yes. And I've I've bought him gifts of similar value or higher. >> How much was the ring?
02:44:30
Kiko>> Uh it was around I think two to five thou between $2 to $5,000. It was in China. I don't remember exactly. >> Um and you both are working correct. >> Yes. >> Would you do you guys make about
02:44:42
Brian Atlasequivalent income? I make more. >> You make more. Okay. And then uh when it came to the initial courtship, did he approach you? >> We met on Tinder. >> Met on Tinder. Okay.
02:44:55
Brian Atlas>> Tinder marriage. Okay. >> Yeah. It's it happens, guys. >> Okay. He uh he was he taking the burden of initiative? >> I I think in the in the beginning maybe
02:45:07
Kikolike in the first month >> who asked who to go out on the date? Um, he asked me
02:45:15
Kikoand then I moved it up sooner because I had a free day like earlier than the day he >> Okay. So, he did he asked for your number? >> Yes. >> And he set up the date.
02:45:27
Brian Atlas>> Uh, no. I suggested where to go. >> Well, you suggested where to go, but he was like, "Let's you what? >> I booked it." >> Oh, it was like a reservation. What is that noise? >> Oh, sorry. I was um it might have been my nail.
02:45:41
Kiko>> Okay. >> And and he actually paid but I did not ask him to pay. I went to the bathroom and then I came back and he paid. >> Um >> Okay. So he paid for the date. What about the second date? Did he pay for it? >> I don't remember. It was like 11 years
02:45:54
Brian Atlasago. >> I know. It's a long time ago. Third date. Did he pay for it? Well, I mean, I understand like you might not remember specifics like that, but you could like for example, um I can think back to I couldn't tell you like on the specific date like what exactly happened, but I
02:46:08
Kikocould be like, "Oh yeah, the first 10 dates I paid for." >> No, he did not pay for the first 10 days. I would say he probably paid for the first few dates. Uh and then like whenever we go travel, we share
02:46:18
Kiko>> partnership. that was. But when you when you use that as a as a as a evidence, it would be saying that money is the only thing that contributes to value in a relationship. If we only talk about who paid for what, right?
02:46:32
Brian Atlas>> Well, technically that would have to be your position. Your position would have to be like >> I see your position. Your position would be more defensible if you like what you just said. If there's more you can bring
02:46:44
Brian Atlasthan money. Well, if that was the case, then surely he would bring other things besides money, and you guys should equalize on that front by going 50/50 on
02:46:53
Kikothe date >> if you're an equal partnership, right? I think if we go
02:47:02
Kikoback the the entire 10 years or 11 years of us together, I would say um the monetary value that we both provided into the relationship was maybe I provided more
02:47:14
Kiko>> in terms of monetary value. Sure. >> But that doesn't mean I don't see it as an unequal partnership because he provided a lot of emotional value and encouragement. >> Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, that might
02:47:23
Brian Atlasbe a fair uh sort of asterisk to put like, okay, well, yes, he paid those first few dates. Of course, you could have cho uh decided you weren't into him and then the financial contribution in
02:47:37
Brian Atlasthat circumstance would have just been exclusively on him. But yes, over the course of the 101 years, you guys have, according to you, have both sort of equally contributed financially to the
02:47:47
Brian Atlasrelationship. How long have you been living living together? >> Nine. I think eight or nine years. >> Okay. And you guys split split the rent 50/50.
02:47:57
Kiko>> Um, no. We actually both put how much we get paid into like a joint account. Um, >> joint. >> It's not It's not exactly 50/50. Like when I get paid more, uh, I would contribute more and when he get paid
02:48:12
Brian Atlasmore. >> Well, you guys are married now, so it's like just going it's all going into one account and it's just >> Yeah. Do you guys maintain like separate accounts or
02:48:22
Kiko>> Yeah, but like like I I would use it to buy makeup and stuff like any any >> Well, before you were married, before the joint account, were you guys living together? >> We were living together and then we had a fund that we will put money into as well.
02:48:35
Kiko>> A little closer to the mic, please. >> Uh we were living together and then we uh had a fund that we put together on like Alipe that would like go towards together spending. Even before marriage
02:48:47
Brian Atlasthough, you guys were going basically 5050 on rent. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Understood. Okay. So, um, in terms of the financial, aside
02:48:58
Kikofrom the beginning of the relationship, it sounds like it's been pretty equal >> between the both of you. >> I actually bought him a really expensive gift recently and then I thought about
02:49:08
Kikohow it would make him feel. Mhm. >> I was like, cuz I I went on a trip for two weeks and I didn't see him and I bought him this really expensive watch. The caveat is we got robbed. Someone broke into our house a few months
02:49:20
Kikoearlier. So, he he lost his watch. So, I bought him this watch and it's very expensive. >> And then I wondered if he felt belittled like I wonder if he felt like, >> you know, cuz usually usually a man
02:49:32
Brian Atlaswould buy women gifts. Um. >> Right. >> Yeah. So, I I asked him and he felt he was okay with it. >> Okay. Um now in terms of initiative burden at the beginning of the relationship I was asking you who asked
02:49:45
Brian Atlasfor the dates etc etc. >> Uh women typically look for men even if women are like liberal and they're okay with 50/50 financial arrangements >> which I think a minority it's the minority of women who are okay with
02:49:57
Brian Atlasthat. >> Um I'm I suspect the initiative burden still fell on him. Um who went for the first kiss? Uh, I said at the end of the first date, when are you going to kiss
02:50:11
Brian Atlasme? >> So, >> okay. So, you're forward then. >> So, I would guess that's me initiating by asking that question. >> That would be Yep. I guess I would that would be you initiating to a degree to a
02:50:21
Brian Atlasdegree. It wouldn't be like quite to the same level as you just going for it. Um, but that's definitely leaning heavily on the uh initiative. >> And I think more women should do that.
02:50:34
Brian AtlasYeah, I suppose I'm fine with it. Although, I think a lot of women don't do that. And if the guy didn't go for the kiss, that kiss is never happening unless the girl really likes the guy,
02:50:46
Brian Atlas>> she'll eventually be frustrated and be like, "Why haven't you kissed me yet, pussy?" Like, >> that's crazy. >> Uh, but I think a lot of women, if the guy doesn't make the initiative, it's
02:50:57
Brian Atlasjust never going to happen. Like, women aren't gonna uh really go for it. Um, generally speaking, uh, what about sex? Were you the initiator? >> I don't remember. Sorry, I'm like trying
02:51:11
Brian Atlasto think. >> Yeah, I mean, usually there's steps that lead up to it. So, like taking clothes off, moving things forward sexually. Usually, >> I think we like we like plan for it. >> Uh, we're like we're like, "Okay, you
02:51:23
Brian Atlasknow, like I was like, I'm I'm like ready to do this." So, then we like arranged to be at his apartment. >> Okay. >> So, >> sure. So I would say uh on the initiative front you're perhaps slightly an outlier. Nothing like too crazy in
02:51:37
Brian Atlasterms of being >> I'm not jumping I'm not like taking off his clothes in public or anything >> right. Yeah. But um I would say majority of the time across like all these steps
02:51:46
Brian Atlasof initiative it almost always almost always most of the time falls on men and that starts from approaching you or sending the first
02:51:56
Brian Atlasmessage set asking for your number uh planning the date navigating you flaking once twice three times uh rescheduling okay we're on the date picking the picking the location paying for the date
02:52:08
Brian Atlasmoving things forward okay do I bring her back to my is do I go for the first kiss? Moving like navigating all that. Okay. Moving things forward physically, moving things forward sexually, all that
02:52:19
Brian Atlasburden that women just kind of glance over. Um that is almost never 50/50 that almost always falls on men, the initiative burden. Uh and women aren't even really aware of this because you're
02:52:32
Brian Atlasvery a lot of women are very passive when it comes to uh dating. Men take the initiative generally speaking. Uh, and so not all the time.
02:52:42
Brian AtlasI'm of course, oh, this one time I went for the first kiss. Okay, great. Um, it's not your preference though. Uh, >> I I think women are uh kind of giving
02:52:53
Kikothemselves less options by doing that because like if you wait for men to approach you, you only get to pick from the men who approach you or you like hint real hard and hope they approach
02:53:03
Kikoyou. But if you'll go after what you want, then you get to take like make more of a choice for yourself, I think. >> Right. But this idea that then getting back to the bow,
02:53:16
Brian Atlas>> yeah, >> is that you're equal 50/50. It's like, okay, well, what are the ways in which women expect men to be
02:53:26
Brian Atlastraditional and to act like men? Now I can cite to the questionnaire here for all of you starting with chair one uh and I'll I'll go one by one through each
02:53:37
Brian Atlasof you. You agree with the following statements all of you. Men should pay on first dates. Men should provide protect. Men should be chivalous. Husbands should
02:53:45
Brian Atlasbe willing to die protecting you. Take the bullet. Uh first you for Christina you agree men should pay on first dates. Men should provide protect. Men should
02:53:56
Brian Atlasbe chivalous. Uh, for you, Naobi. Wait, is that actually your real name? >> Yes. >> I'm not gonna like if you have like a fake OF name or what? I'm not gonna ask your real name, but it's you're legit.
02:54:08
Brian Atlas>> That's my real name. Yeah. >> Isn't that Matrix character? >> Yeah, it's cool. >> That's cool. Okay. >> Uh, all right. You say men should provide, protect, men should be
02:54:17
Brian Atlaschivalous. Samantha, men should pay Oh, wait. [ __ ] her, I guess. >> Oh, Sam. >> Damn. She She should have stayed. What a [ __ ] [ __ ] Maybe maybe I'll invite her back and tell her she has to pay a
02:54:30
Brian Atlasdeposit >> and if she acts [ __ ] then I keep the deposit. I guess that's unfortunate though. She had a lot of [ __ ] [ __ ] on there. I got I got I should have kept her. >> Oh yeah, >> I should have gone through the
02:54:41
Brian Atlasquestionnaire then kicked her. Oh well. >> Unfortunate. Ashlin, uh, men should pay on first a dates. Men should provide protect. Men should be show for us. Khloe, men should pay on first aids. Men
02:54:51
Brian Atlasshould provide protect. Uh, Jay, men should provide protect. Kik Kiko, men should provide, protect, so should women. Okay. Well, I have a qual with that, but we'll get into uh maybe later.
02:55:03
Brian AtlasMen should be chivalous. Uh Zakiyia, did I sorry, did I say your name right? You did. >> Men should provide protect. Men should be chivalous. Husband should be willing to die protecting you. >> I didn't mean the first Courtney. Well, you Okay. Men should provide protect.
02:55:15
Brian AtlasMen should be chivalous. Husband should be willing to die protecting you. Almost all of you basically circled all of those things, right? What should women do?