Crash Out Kylie LAWSUIT Update?! Chloe Roma vs. Feminists! Goth Alt E-GIRL! | Dating Talk #252

Date: 2025-07-21

Duration: 8h 19m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJade Warrick >

BBig Booty Tay >

CCrystal (Policy)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Big Booty Tay(guest)

SPEAKER_04Kate (Boat)(guest)

SPEAKER_06McKenna(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Jade Warrick(guest)

SPEAKER_09Lindsay Lee(guest)

SPEAKER_11Gemma Hex(guest)

SPEAKER_12Crystal (Policy)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Chloe Roma(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentCrash Out Kylie update: Brian plays her TikToks claiming Bell's palsy and SA comparison

Key MomentBrian reads his full legal email to Kylie rejecting $650 demand

ControversyGemma pegged a man publicly at Folsom Street Fair

Key MomentLindsay names Trevor Wallace and NFL player as past partners on air

Key MomentChloe reveals Romanian orphanage origin, fled abusive relationship at 19, was homeless with baby at train station at 2am

ControversyChloe's graphic bear mauling description to counter bear preference

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests including Chloe Roma, Gemma Hex, Lindsay Lee.

Alimony/No-Fault Divorce

Kate receives ongoing alimony from military ex. Extended debate.

Crash Out Kylie Update

Brian reads Kylie's TikToks claiming Bell's palsy, SA comparison. Reads his legal email rejecting $650 demand.

Folsom Street Fair

Gemma pegged a man publicly at Folsom. Brian reads event FAQ.

Escorting Economics

Gemma $1K/session. Lindsay $10-20K/month. Big Booty Tay $1-1.2K/session.

Lindsay Names Names

Trevor Wallace and NFL player Legar Garrett Blunt named as past partners.

Body Count Round

Gemma hundreds. Lindsay 200+. Big Booty Tay 150-200. Crystal single digits. Chloe 11.

Bear vs Man

Heated debate with graphic bear mauling description from Chloe.

Transcript

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Gemma Hex>> She sounds like she was actually hurt the way that she's speaking. >> Oh yeah. Crying that nobody Oh no, girl. What happened? >> Nobody even thinks twice. That's that's that's a thing, right? Or like situations.

Chloe Roma>> She compared it to essay as well, which is like you need to chill the [ __ ] out. >> I just feel like everybody's a girl's girl until they're not like you. Like you're probably would you describe yourself as a girls girl?

Lindsay Lee>> Well, you weren't here for my last time I was here on this podcast, but I was speaking up about femicide and essay and all the other things that affect women. >> Girls, are you a girls girl? >> Yeah, I was getting there.

Chloe Roma>> Okay. So, yes, you are. Okay. So, you're a girl yet you will take money from other wives husbands just to pay your own bills. And you were kind of like, well, that's their fault for paying for sex. So there's this like double

Chloe Romastandard where we're like, "Oh yeah, we're girls, girls." Until it just like no longer benefits us, until we can weaponize it against each other, against men. And I find it absolutely moronic.

Chloe RomaIt's supposed to be equality. Equality means accepting equal responsibility. And I see a hell of a lot of women in 2025 demanding a man from the 1960s that's going to pay their bills and do this and

Lindsay Leedo that. Meanwhile, they want to disrespect men like a 20-25 woman and just like they just don't act it. They don't have the decorum to demand that kind of respect. >> But then what about women like me who have been a bread winner in every single

Lindsay Leerelationship and I prefer to pray pay for myself and pay for them because then it's all on me. >> You prefer to pay for your partner. >> I do in all instances. >> I do. >> Yeah. But what's your point? >> Everything. >> Yeah. That you can't just generalize all

Chloe Romawomen like that. >> How did I please be specific? >> You just did. No, I used a very specific >> modern feminist. >> I used a specific example for you, which was claiming you're a girl's girl, yet knowingly taking money and taking

Chloe Romahusbands away from wives because they're paying you. And I said that a lot. Obviously, not all women. That's kind of a a given, but um yeah, a lot of them you see it. And it's it's not nec you.

Chloe RomaIt's not necessarily them. It's the reaction to them that speaks higher to the issues with feminism. cuz that girl can go on here and be like, "I was a victim and there's people starting GoFundMes." Or the brick lady. Do you

Chloe Romaall remember the brick lady? You remember that woman that popped up on social media and she's like, "I rejected these two black men and they hit me in the face with the brick." You remember that? She had this big swollen cheek. Everybody, she garnered $40,000. And I

Chloe Romaknew something was up with that woman. So, I researched her and she has a history of being a victim of like random, not necessarily hate crimes, just like, you know, some woman like ran

Chloe Romaher cart into her in the parking lot and she's like, "Oh, it's, you know, because I'm black." And she would get all of these different donations. And so, I noticed that. I called it out and I got called a racist for an entire year.

Chloe RomaShe's like not looking at me. She's like, "Okay." Anyway, I don't care to interact with you. So, okay. But you you asked me a question. >> It's a victim. >> You've been rude this whole time to me, so I don't want to interact with you.

Chloe Roma>> She garnered $40,000. Nobody looked into her. I looked into her. Got called a racist by the entire internet for a year until the authorities actually did the research into this woman. Um, and I was

Chloe Romaright. She had an allergic reaction to Botox. They took CTV footage. There was no men that hit her in the face with a brick. She's now being charged, forced to pay all of that money back. And nobody thought twice. And I got

Chloe Romavillainized and demonized for just being honest, right? And it happens all the time. Even in this conversation, you're checked out because I'm calling you on something that you don't like. So, you'll be abrasive. You'll be like, "This is my opinion." But then the

Chloe Romamoment somebody challenges that, you're like, >> "No, I >> That's feminism, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much." >> I've never even called myself a feminist. If >> you said you were a girls girl, and then you said you are a feminist because you said last time you were on here that you

Chloe Romawere talking about femicide and all these things. So this is what I'm talking about is mental gymnastics >> because it means standing up for women's health and safety which I think is important just as much as men's. >> Am I tripping?

Crystal (Policy)>> Well, I mean just because you real feminism, not the new age one. Just because you stand for women's you want women to be safe and things like that. I mean that's that's necessarily just like a human experience. You want that for

Crystal (Policy)humans. But when you weaponize your sexuality for a certain means to an end, then maybe that's where the new age feminism is coming in, right? You can scream, "I've been, you know, raped," or something like that. When in reality, maybe there's a scenario like this where

Lindsay Leenobody was even around you. Like that, that's more often than not. >> Let me give you a scenario. Let's say we have a PDF file, right, who assaults their child and then the mother does

Lindsay Leenothing about it. And then that child grows up and like uses their sexuality to then make ends meet and also like provide for the people they care about. >> Mhm. >> Are you going to say it's completely the girl's fault? No.

Lindsay Lee>> What? >> We said that earlier. No. >> Well, but that's what you're telling me. That's my scenario. >> I think I think that I think >> that's how you've been coming at me the entire time. >> Gymnastics has anything to do with what she's talking about.

Chloe Roma>> Execute it. Ladies, take notes from her. She's I mean, I just want to give you a round of applause because I'll say one thing and you'll be like, >> I think that I think that you need to >> It's not something to be proud of. It's

Lindsay Leeactually shows very low intelligence. >> I think you need to >> How do you feel about that, Lindsay? She just said you had low intelligence. >> I don't give to say anything. >> Both my sisters are doctors. I don't care. >> But are you? >> No, I'm Thank you. I don't you know I

Lindsay Leeappreciate you. >> My dad's a police officer, so you can't arrest me. >> I did not say I said my dad was something else. >> Uh can you read this for Lucy? >> I think you need to be reminded. >> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Go ahead. Read it.

Jade Warrick>> The only one being abrasive right now is you. Seat eight. >> Thank you. >> I think you need to know the definition of abrasive. I can't remember. What's your name? >> Thank you, Lucy. Oh my gosh.

Kate (Boat)>> I think you need to be reminded >> that you Lucy. >> I love Lucy Goosey. >> Lucy, you know what? Lucy, you know, she she she did [ __ ] 150 guys

Brian Atlas>> before freshman year of college together. I'm not surprised. >> Lucy, I give I give her respect because Lucy Goosey, she's honest. She's honest

Brian Atlasand uh she's kind of chill. She's kind of chill. She's a chill gal. She probably [ __ ] hates me. She probably hates my guts. >> Not at all. Not at all. >> I give her the respect. I give her the uh credit where credit is due. She's

Brian Atlashonest. >> She ad she's totally open book. >> Absolutely >> very open book. >> Everything's open. >> She's a thesaurus. Anyway,

Kate (Boat)>> yeah. Go ahead. I think Lindsay, I think you need to be reminded that you are loved and you are worthy of real love >> and you don't need to use your body to

Kate (Boat)get that you are worth so much more. I'm not >> I know but saying what you said where you say I tra Can I finish really traumatized >> because I have a psychiatrist. >> I'm not trying to tell you because

Brian Atlasyou're holding up to me. >> I would never guessed you of all people would be in therapy. >> I'm saying this right. >> 3 years in don't get that from >> I'm on 200 milligrams of Zolaf man. And

Kate (Boat)that's why I was saying that she is because you mentioned that if there's a child that is treated awfully in a way that no child should ever be treated, >> that tends to scar people in ways that

Kate (Boat)people that haven't had that done to them don't understand. >> And it tends to make you think that your worth and your value stems from that.

Kate (Boat)that that is and and that's why I just say I think you need to be reminded that you are worth so much more than that >> and you are loved so much more than that. You are a beautiful person and

Kate (Boat)that all of that stuff is not going to make you >> worthy. It's not going to make you whole. It's not going to complete you. >> And in the long run, it might actually do more harm than good.

Lindsay Lee>> Yeah. >> Look, I love all you guys on here >> except for me to be honest. But at the same time, you're looking at it from a perspective and not realizing like how my life actually is. Like, and I put my mom

Lindsay Leethrough school. Like, I'm very proud of that. I'm very proud of setting her up. >> You should be proud of that. >> I'm proud because I'm using myself. And you know what? I'm okay with that. >> I'm okay with that. And on top of that, >> anyways. Wow. Great. You guys can have a

Brian AtlasYou guys can have a therapy session after the show. >> No, I was going to say >> I think many would agree that people in Monopoly >> Wait, let her read it. Let her read it. >> Oh, sorry. I don't want to hear you monogamous. >> Monogamous.

Brian Atlas>> I think many people would agree that people in monogamous relationships >> What? There is a word monogous. >> No, but there is another word. It's like >> magnimus. Magnanimous. Sorry. Go ahead.

Jade Warrick>> Relationships shouldn't be learing at other people. Should you dress differently after you get into a relationship than when you were single? Are there any behaviors that should change after you get into a relationship? Thank you, Christopher.

Jade Warrickdon't go to the club anymore >> or like bar scene. >> Uh, okay. >> I want to dress like modest in public for my husband, but then in private I would want to be like really sexy for

Crystal (Policy)him. >> Sweet. >> Sweet. What? >> I think that's a fair like you should want that for your partner cuz then that shows that they're being considerate.

Crystal (Policy)>> Sorry. Go ahead. they're inconsiderate and they're actually caring about how you view them because in a relationship you guys are giving up things and adding things at the same time. So, that's a fair expectation

Brian Atlas>> to be changing how you dress and like things like that. >> Natalyia, thank you for the membership. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, all right. Where are we going? You know what? We're going to do the questionnaire. We're pretty much all

Brian Atlasdone with the uh the notes here. So, why don't we do this? Any disagreements? Uh, Gemma, you said you disagree with some of the language used, but mostly agree.

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. I think y'all are honestly pretty respectful. Um, I think >> I You guys were having Hold on. You guys were just having this really sweet,

Brian Atlaswholesome moment, and I just obnoxiously boring. Wow. I'm I'm a huge dick. What the [ __ ] Really? No, >> you're respectful. >> Very respectful. Just such a respectful

Gemma Hexperson. I think I'm going to take back what I said about the lady. >> Now you're Now you're homies. Are you a Caucasian, >> Bob? >> Sorry. Sorry. Are you my Caucasian is what I meant to say. >> She's my Caucasian. All right.

McKenna>> I think that resp >> Are you Italian or what are you? >> I'm French Canadian Portuguese and Tatani Native American. >> Dang. >> Can I Is she my Canadian chat?

Brian Atlas>> French Canadian Portuguese and >> Jade is definitely my Caucasian. Definitely. Uh, are you white? >> Latina. >> I'm French Canadian. >> That's white. >> So many Canadians, right? >> Uh, my Caucasian.

Brian Atlas>> 51st. >> You can't say that, Brian. You can't say that, Brian. >> Well, I can't say the other word, but you're my Caucasian. >> Is that more offensive like to call a black person a white person? >> No, it's hilarious.

Brian Atlas>> Take this back to my community and tell them >> I have a pass now. >> But what am I to you? You're my Caucasian. >> Okay. I thought you were about to say the other one. >> Nah, Brian.

Brian Atlas>> Not here. >> But if a black person says that to a white person, it's a compliment. >> That's right. >> Like that's a big Not the Caucasian one. The other one. >> We didn't know African-American people were walking around saying, "You're my

Brian AtlasCaucasian." >> I will be now. That was the most Caucasian. >> I'm too much of a Caucasian to do that. >> Let's see here. We have, what do we have? What do we have? Oh, we got Let's do Twitch really quick. Barry Gooseman,

Brian Atlasthank for the tier one. Appreciate it, guys. Twitch.tv/ whatever. Drop us a follow. Drop us a prime sub, guys. I think the follow button is bugged. I think the prime button is bugged. It's been broken all night. Can you guys just

Brian Atlasdo a little test? Test out if the follow button works. Test out if the prime the Twitch Prime button works. Test it out, guys. All right, we're going to blast through the questionnaire and uh fingers

Brian Atlascrossed not too late of a show, but um any disagreements though from anybody with me >> or Chloe or Chloe? >> Not stuff we talked about previously, but

Chloe Roma>> I think you're great. >> And to answer your question, I don't have anything against hoes. I have everything against delusional hoes. You can be I used to be a hoe. I'm not I'm in no different boat. I'm just real about it. That's the difference. Well,

SPEAKER_05you just seem to have like a small hatred in your heart for hoes >> like that. Where do you come up with these? >> You're so funny. >> Oh, we have Dan here. Uh-oh. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_00>> Dan donated. >> I think this is your hater. >> Nobody has to believe my claims. But ladies, don't take any crap from Chloe. >> She's the last person who needs to be running her mouth.

SPEAKER_05>> Yeah, >> she's deceitful to say the least. That's right, Dan. >> I'm done taking your crap. Chloe, >> is this like one of your exes? They found you online. >> No idea. >> He's He's spent a lot of money. >> Yeah.

SPEAKER_05>> Where's the champagne pop to prove that you really hate her? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's what we need. Yep. A champagne pop will really prove the hate. >> Champagne pop if you truly hate Chloe. >> Literally right now. >> Yeah. I don't know what that problem is.

Brian Atlas>> Appreciate it. We have a TTS coming through here, guys. $100 TTS. Streamlabs.com/ whatever. $100 TTS. Get him in, boys. If you have a question, get them in. >> There it is. Oh, no. >> Vector donated $100. >> Vector the OG.

SPEAKER_00>> Sex peddlers aren't working. It's not a job. Earning money by manipulating others into intimacy. What? Poppyccock. >> What? Poppyccock. >> Got garbage. Yet Brian has dominated

Brian Atlas$100 of my network. >> Wow. >> Right. >> Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy. By the way, I've noticed some of you girls have

Brian Atlasgotten up during the show and still haven't paid me my tribute. >> Chloe here and Kate have been the only

Gemma Hexones so far to pay me a tribute. >> I'll later $5.

Big Booty TayYou know, you don't really >> I asked for a feet clap. We haven't heard no clapping on camera any

Brian Atlas>> I my just to get a response from me just to even get a response >> 20 bucks. >> How much for feed class?

Brian Atlas>> Uh oh. That's I need a Bitcoin for that. >> I'm a I'm expensive. I'm expensive. All right. Uh okay. Let's get into the the questionnaire here. What would you want

Gemma Hexthe minimum yearly income to be for your future husband? Starting with you. >> Um, I I honestly don't really know how to answer this, but I >> Well, you wouldn't date like a guy who works at McDonald's, right?

Gemma Hex>> I mean, if he has enough money to pay for the bills, as long as we can pay for the bills, as long as we aren't like struggling. >> Huh? >> What uh where do you live? >> I live in uh Las Vegas. Can people pay

Gemma Hexthe bills in >> Las Vegas working at making deeds? >> Um, I mean, I wouldn't say that's the easiest, but >> I would want him to make at least over 50 grand.

Gemma Hex>> Okay, sure. >> Minimum wage is 20 bucks out here. It's >> That's pretty low to some standards. I feel >> y'all can survive off McDonald's. >> Go ahead. >> It could be zero. I don't care.

McKenna>> Oh my. You want a stay at home husband? >> I do. with you. You can be with my ex girl. >> Bam. Matchmaker. >> He'll be my assistant. He's black, too.

McKennaHe might, you know. >> Um, just the same amount as me or more. Like minimum same amount as me. Preferably, not less cuz I've done that quite a lot. And it's not legit.

Jade Warrick>> Not great. >> Um, it was like in the UK 120k a year and then in America like 160k cuz healthcare is not free here, right? >> No. No, it's not. >> Taylor, what about you?

Kate (Boat)M I think I said like 120. >> Okay, next. >> Yeah, I'd feel comfortable 85 to 100K. >> All right, next. >> Probably somewhere around that. I think it depends on where we live. I just want

Chloe Romaa a comfortable, decent life so they don't have to make an extravagant amount, but I'd like to be comfortable. >> Chloe, what about you? >> I don't have a specific number. For me, it's about goals. So, my partner is building a successful business. It's

Chloe RomaIt's gotten there, and I'm proud of them. So, I don't really care as long as you're working towards something and not just sitting on your ass. >> Chloe, you've been successful for a long time. So, have a lot of guys that you've dated, have you been the bread winner in

Chloe Romayour relationships? Typically, >> I've only been in uh oh my gosh, I think two relationships since blowing up and one of them I dated beforehand. So, what

Chloe Romawhat was the question? Say that again. >> Have you been the bread winner? You been the bread winner in your uh relationships >> historically? Yeah. But not since um actually making money. No. >> Gotcha. >> Uh next question. How tall are you and

Gemma Hexwhat's the minimum height of a man you would date? >> Uh I'm 5'6. I would probably six foot I think. >> Six foot. Okay. M That's the minimum. >> I I've dated short. Most of the people I've dated, they've been probably my

Lindsay Leeheight, actually. >> Lindsy Lee, what about you? I'm 53, but I anything over or at 5'9 because I'm like mentally 5'8. >> Okay. Um, Monster, thank you for the $50

Brian Atlassoup chat. Uh, what about you? >> Um, I'm 5'2 and anybody taller than me? >> Okay. Uh, last boyfriend, how tall was he? >> 6'3. >> Uhhuh. Oh, >> damn. >> See, this is always a I always should

McKennaask. >> Okay. Okay. Well, you'll date a guy who's your height, but how tall was your last boyfriend? >> One of the guys that I was with for a long time was he was like 5'4, like barely taller than me.

Jade Warrick>> Okay, Jade. >> Uh, I'm 5'9 and I would like someone who's 6 foot or over cuz in heels I'm like 6'1, 6'2. >> Sure. What about uh what about you?

Crystal (Policy)>> Uh, I think I'm 53 and I would like someone at least 6 foot. >> Okay. What about you? I'm 5'10 and a half. Uh, so anything taller. I love

Crystal (Policy)short kings, but no. And then my ex was like 61. Short kings are cool. I mean, you know, >> Kate, >> I am 5'7 and pretty much 5'6 and above if I >> Sure.

Chloe Roma>> Chloe, >> I'm 5'9 and a half. The half counts. And my fiance is like what? 56, 5'7. So I dated someone that was 5'2. I don't give a [ __ ] >> Okay. >> I just can't wear heels. I forfeited them. That's right.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, by the way, Nick, is the uh the focus okay on >> this camera? Is it okay? >> Yeah, >> I'm you're the focus on me.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Okay. Uh would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike? >> Man. >> Okay. Lindsay Lee, >> I said man last time, but I'm gonna say

Brian Atlasbear this time. I thought, didn't you say bear last time? >> Okay, but you're saying bear this time. Okay, what about you? >> Bear. >> All right, Jade. >> Man. >> Bear. >> Bear. Okay. >> A man. >> All right,

Chloe Roma>> man. I love how everyone who accused me of not liking them because they're sex workers are the ones that like chose bear. That's why I don't like y'all cuz I can see right through y'all. That's why. Obviously a man. I go hiking all

Chloe Romathe time and running and I pass by many men and none of them have didd me. So, is it Smokey the Bear? because he seems pretty nice. >> Smokey, sure. >> Just some random bear. Sure. Actual bear. >> So, Chloe, what's your take on the man

Chloe Romaversus bear thing? Do you have a response to the women who uh picked the bear? >> I think the same women that picked the bear, not just you guys, but everybody who picks the bear is going to be the same one that's going to be like, "Don't generalize me. Don't say all women are

Chloe Romathis and that." But yet, they're like the first ones to just be like, "All men are bad. All men are [ __ ] All men are You're just [ __ ] hypocrites." and your idiots because bears, first of all,

Chloe Romadon't just kill you. They kill you. They keep you alive. They rip you open. They [ __ ] in your wounds to mark their territory. And y'all think you're safer with a [ __ ] bear. You're delusional. Bears don't want y'all either.

McKenna>> Most women would just rather have that horrific scenario that you just verbally described happen to them than being >> so terrible. So, not every man. Not every man. Just >> pardon. There was a woman who was

Gemma Hexcamping and she was on her period and woke up to the bear literally like eating her >> from that area. So, I don't think you want a bear. >> Yeah.

Lindsay LeeBut there's been less than 10. >> There's been less than 10 deaths a year from a bear and that is not the same. Where did you come from that statist? >> You pass by millions of men every single

Chloe Romaday and none of them look twice at you. I promise. So it's we're just we're not going to do the fear. It is it's fearongering. It's about women selecting randoming. Why are you talking so loud? >> Oh, am I loud? I apologize. I am hard of

Brian Atlashearing. >> I think it's just her volume. I think it's just her volume in general. >> My fiance hates it. >> Really quick to your point though, Lindsay. Uh while if we're looking in totality, yes, there are fewer bear

Brian Atlasattacks than there are like for example men who murder women. However, this is we have to look at per capita or per encounter. So, the vast majority of women

Brian Atlas>> never encounter a bear in their entire lives. Whereas, almost all women will pass by thousands, if not tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of men in their entire lives. >> Not to mention the actual statistic in

Chloe RomaAmerica, I'm quite familiar with American statistics even though I'm Canadian just cuz my audience is American. 0.00 000 02% of the male

McKennapopulation will ever and have ever committed a violent crime, whereas 100% of the bears you pass will definitely eat you. So, >> I mean, I've never had any aggression shown towards me by any bear that I've

Gemma Hexpassed in the woods. >> Have you passed any bears in the wood? >> Yeah. >> How many? >> I'm from the Pacific [ __ ] Northwest. Remember there was a girl on on here who was like

Gemma HexRussian or something and she was like, "Oh, I used to cuddle bears in the woods and I used to like play with the bears in the woods. I'd choose the bear." She was on this podcast. >> Okay. Sleeping bear. >> What? >> Really? >> Yeah. So, you used to play with bears.

McKenna>> Let's Let's be realistic. >> No. The likelihood is that you're not going to have any interaction with the bear. You don't have a small fear in the back of your mind. Maybe nobody that knows anything about wildlife or has ever been anywhere near a bear. [ __ ]

Kate (Boat)Can I can I just finish? >> The likelihood of the man seeing you is really low as well, though. >> Yeah, it's very low. But with a bear at zero, you could die. >> Zero with a bear. >> They might SA. Yeah, but they might just kill you instead. Would you rather be S8

McKennaor dead? >> Bold of you to assume I'm enthused to live, sweetheart. Yeah, it would be dead. I would choose death over being great. >> We would. >> I would choose still being alive, honestly, than being dead.

Chloe Roma>> And that is your prerogative, babe. >> That's good. So, we'll say you you're from the Pacific, you said. So, you've probably, let's be honest, you've probably passed like four bears and none of them have mauled you. That's amazing.

Chloe RomaYou sure you've passed millions of men your entire life and 99 I'm not going to assume. You may have trauma. You may have bad experiences.

McKenna99% of the ones you've passed have done. >> The question is always, what would you rather pass alone in the woods? A bear or a random man?

Gemma Hexa man that can help me make a fire, catch some food. I can do all that. So maybe that's why I'm not worried about that. >> Like who would you rather? >> Yes, I can. >> If you're alone on an island, it would be much easier if a man was with you than if you were on an island alone with

Gemma Hexa bear. >> My issue with this argument, >> we're talking about walking past. >> No, we're talking about being alone in a forest, aka you have you're stuck there by yourself. You're stuck there by yourself with a man or or

McKenna>> I don't necessarily I don't think the question necessarily implies that you're stuck in the forest or >> exactly it's in passing. It's which would you rather pick to go in passing question for somebody that's terrified

Chloe Romaof men. You sure take money from them all the time. >> I never said I was terrified of men. >> Don't you escort? Did you say that you escort? So, you put yourself in situations where you're actually more

Chloe Romalikely to come in contact with a man who is sexually violent, who is aggressive, who is going to sexually assault you, who is going to view you as an option. >> So, you can keep talking, but I don't escort it. >> But you just nodded. I asked you if you escort it. >> No, I didn't. I said I'll let you

Chloe Romafinish. >> Wait, didn't you say Well, you said you do. >> I said I had a I was a sugar baby for 2 years. So, escort. >> You are a hoe of any sort. So, you thereby have put yourself in a position

Chloe Romawhere you are far more likely to come across a man who is like sexually violent and weird. >> What? I I'm not understanding. It's not even like we're using If you were to ask me would I rather be alone in a forest

Chloe Romawith a bear or diddy. I'm picking I'm picking the bear. But we're talking about every single like average man here and I'm just You're so deathly afraid of men. >> I never said I was deathly afraid of men. >> Oh my god.

Crystal (Policy)>> I said I'd rather be killed than raped. Hun, that's a different statement. >> Yes. Next. I want to pass Matt cuz he keeps a Glock on him. Matt, I'm trying to find you. >> Question. So,

Brian Atlas>> can you acknowledge though that in both instances you could have a completely un uneventful happening? >> No, you could you could cross a bear. No, you absolutely could have nothing happen,

Brian Atlas>> right? You could cross a bear, nothing happens. But you could also cross a man, nothing happens. >> You have a higher chance of having nothing happen. Yeah. And the bear. >> I agree with that. >> But we're being delusional. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Question like that. >> Let's Would you rather walk up to a random bear and pat it on the head or walk up to a random man and pat him on the head? >> She's going to say the bear cuz she's the bear cuddler. >> No, I'm not a bear cuddler. I'm not the

McKennacrazy dude that lived with bears in the woods and got >> Which of the two would you rather do? >> Obviously the guy. >> Okay. You So you'd want >> to choose up to walk and make a connection and interact with it. Yes. Why would I walk past a bear and try and go pet it?

McKenna>> Do tap tap tap. >> It's a wild bear. Why would you walk up and tap tap tap it? >> I don't know. >> Walking past something is different than going up and forcing an interaction with it. >> Brian, you got to get smarter people on

Chloe Romathese podcasts. >> I'm not stupid because I have a differing opinion than you. >> It's hurting. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Next question. Brian, >> well, a couple clarifying a couple

Brian Atlasclarifying things here really quick on the bear thing. Uh, so I understand when women respond answer this, they're typically thinking, okay, >> it's about essay. That's what it boils

Brian Atlasdown to. Uh, can you tell me then what do you think? Like we're talking about a random man here. So, what percentage of the adult male population do you think in this circumstance where let's say

Brian Atlasthei situation is this? You're you're hitting a button and this button you're in the forest, you instantly spawn into the forest and you can instantly spawn

Brian Atlasin a random man or you instantly spawn in a random bear. What percentage of adult ma men do you think would essay you in this circumstance? I mean, obviously they're not all just going to

Brian Atlasbe like rapists. >> Just Okay, just say track. It's okay. I think we might actually chat. We might actually just for a month just try to like

Brian Atlas>> say whatever to all the [ __ ] lame ass YouTube >> stuff. It doesn't matter. >> It might not matter. So, we might just be like, you know what? Let's just whatever you So, maybe next episode I

Brian Atlasmight just be like, it's a free-for-all. [ __ ] it. Whatever. Um, so yes, I Yeah, sure. What's the percentage though? >> I don't know. >> 10. Well, yeah. 10. It doesn't have to be precise. 10% 20% 30% 40% 50%.

Chloe Roma>> I mean, probably >> closer to the mic. >> Less than 20%. Maybe >> less than 20%. >> 30%. >> 30%. Okay. >> Now, what percentage of the Barretts that you pass do you think is going to attack you?

Brian Atlas>> I mean, I don't know. Zero. >> So, and I'm not or >> what what do you think? What percentage of men? >> Google it. It's literally up there. >> You tell me.

Chloe Roma>> It's 0.002% of men are going to commit a violent crime in their life. >> I have to say, >> thank you. My Caucasian >> as he raises a glass to his Caucasian.

McKenna>> Basically, when I think about the question, I think about the way people answer it. Anyways, the way that I answer it is a lot of the times, I mean, I don't know. I guess everyone's like scared

McKennashitless of bears. Most of the time you don't even know they're there. But when I think about it, it's kind of like the thought of the possibility and like you said, yes, I guess it's fear-mongering. It could be whatever. The possibility of

McKennabeing raped versus the possibility of nothing versus the possibility of like nothing versus rape or like nothing versus death. >> Use please. >> Oh yeah, sorry. >> Sorry. Um, but nobody said, "Would you rather be killed by a bear or raped by a

Chloe Romaman?" So this is disingenuous. Oh, sorry. Essay. So, it's just a disingenuous argument to avoid saying my argument is based off of a logical

Chloe Romafallacy. >> We could just say what it is. It's fine.

Lindsay Lee>> Oh, girl. >> Yeah. I was like, you lost me. Honestly, I was like, I was still going to continue. And then she started talking and I was >> I feel like you have a lot of opinions for somebody who has experience with

Chloe Romaonly 11 men versus the women who have experience with a lot of men. That doesn't mean >> that doesn't make sense. What does that mean? Okay. So, just so you're saying I don't have experiences with men.

Chloe Roma>> No, she's saying I think that you're saying was enough to get enough to have an opinion on this. >> No, no, no. Wait, Brian, I I grew up on the streets. Okay.

Lindsay Lee>> The mean streets of Canada. >> The mean streets of white from the street. >> Why here giving your opinion when you're not even a US citizen? >> What the hell? >> Because what? What the kind of like

Lindsay Leenationalism is that? Because like we're not going to Canada and telling our opinions. >> Mental gymnastics. >> You're digging yourself into a deeper hole right now. >> You said I She keeps just feeding into

Chloe Roma>> No, ma'am. You said I've taken more dicks than you, so I have more experience with men. I'm telling you, I not only grew up in social services, but I grew up on the streets. And where I'm

Chloe Romafrom, if you're a woman on the streets, you either man the [ __ ] up or you get pimped out. I chose not to get pimped out. So, I have plenty of experience with men. I have been sexually assaulted. I've actually been sexually

Chloe Romaassaulted twice by women. And I was molested by my older brother as a child. So, don't think for a second that I'm coming here with some naivity to men because I have plenty of experiences

Chloe Romawith negative men. Does that mean that I'm going to look at those men and say, "Brian's going to do the same thing. This gentleman over here is going to do the same thing. 90% of the population is going to do that." No. because I'd be

Chloe Romadoing myself a disservice. And as women, we should not be living in this constant fear where we think that men are just going to come like rape us and we should be living in the forest with bears. It's a disservice.

Chloe Roma>> Nobody said we wanted to live in the forest with bears. I'm paraphrasing. I have plenty of experience and whether I'm American or not, it doesn't matter. I'm right above you guys. This isn't Romania versus the USA. Give me a

Chloe Roma[ __ ] break. >> Think it should be a fight. like give me a break. >> I don't think it should be a fight of approvement essays in Canada too >> bears in Canada square up the second

Crystal (Policy)they see you in >> Rocky Mountain like we got some >> I guess I think that is a little bit of mental gymnastics to say you rather take an encounter with a bear over over a man just a little bit like it's a bit of a stretch.

Kate (Boat)>> It's not to say all men are going to do that. It's that we don't know who we're going to have that encounter with, so we don't want to take that risk. But when you're doing that, you're you're implying that it's a high percentage of men that that might do that to you.

Lindsay LeeYou're implying that there's a good percentage of men, >> whereas it's actually a very it's the number one reason for unaliving pregnant women is their partner. >> No, that doesn't mean they were a statistic. But I'm saying like, >> what does the percentage give us the

Brian Atlaspercentage? >> I don't have my phone. just what you think. Look, I'm not asking for like >> if you're wrong, it's okay. What do you just generally think >> of? What percentage?

Brian Atlas>> The the likelihood of just that you plop the average random man. Sorry, not average. You plop a random man, adult man in the forest. What is the percentage of these men that you think

Lindsay Leeare going to take this opportunity to essay a woman? I'd have to deduct it from the statistics of women who are being essayed or harassed or whatever, which it's one in two women for harassment and

Brian Atlasit's one in three for assault. >> What? You know what's weird though? You know what's strange? >> Most assaults is that they collapse all these

Brian Atlas>> uh lesser forms of harassment under this sort of umbrella term of SA. For example, I think it'd be unfair to collapse like full-on violent stranger

Brian Atlasgrape and like put that under an umbrella term of essay and and that includes like cat calling or street harassment. These are bad things. These are bad things. Cat calling bad, etc.

Brian AtlasBut it's like kind of disingenuous when it's like >> one in two women have been raped or one time a guy made eye contact. >> I'll give you a better example. Like if it was like, "Oh, if you rather be in

Chloe Romathe woods with a bear or Brian, I'm going to choose Brian." Okay, so obviously choosing the bear. Brian's very scary. >> You're saying women would pick the bear because men most often commit violent

Chloe Romacrimes, which is true. Okay, so if Brian were to sit here and say women are the number one killers of their children in America every year, they are the most to abuse their children and the most to

Chloe Romakill them. And then Brian were to say, "Who would you rather leave your child with? A woman or a cougar?" >> Oh, that's a good one. >> Are you going to sit there and be like, "Oh, it's the cougar." Because no, you're going to say, "Give it to the

Lindsay Leewoman." >> That 97% of all perpetrators of child sexual abuse is men. >> That is unequivocally false. And I actually go look it up. It's literally on the National Coalition Against

Lindsay LeeDomestic Violence. But you're from Canada, so you wouldn't know for sexual abuse. >> 97%. Can you look that up? Can you fact check that? >> I think she said specific to sexual abuse. >> Yeah. >> Abuse in general though is perpetrated

Lindsay Leeby more women. >> Your mental gymnastics. I'm saying abuse and murder. Can we stick on that? >> Yeah. And my little sister works for social services. >> Mental gymnastics. Great. I >> literally has had every single case has been

Lindsay Lee>> cougar or a woman. >> I don't even have a kid. I don't think I should speak on it since I don't have a child. >> There you go. See what I mean? It's mental. But you said that you're a mother so that you can speak on things with mother and I was also extremely

Chloe Romaabused by my mother horrifically. Like I was locked in a room that's >> for a long time. Oh yeah. You think I have like some issues with women because no it's called having a brain. It's called being educated to fly to America

SPEAKER_13and tell us how we should be. >> Why does it matter? It doesn't matter her being from Canada >> because it's mental gymnastics. Well, she doesn't have an argument. >> This is about dating a lifestyle in

Kate (Boat)America, not Canada. >> They're not even a fifth of our population. >> It's modern dating. It's not American dating. It's modern dating. >> We're not talking about dating. We were talking about whether or not this

Gemma Hexpodcast is about dating lifestyle. And literally earlier you said, "You're not even a US citizen. Why do you get an opinion >> in America about our dating lifestyle?" Because it's not about American dating.

Chloe RomaIt's dating. Am I allowed to have an opinion even though I'm British? >> Absolutely. >> That's what you're saying. >> But I I don't understand this complaint about her being Canadian. Like, >> yeah, but notice notice how she completely avoided answering my question on whether or not she would leave her

Lindsay Leechild alone with a cougar or a woman. >> I don't have a child. So, >> which would you think that my opinion is going to be valid either way? >> It's a hypothetical. >> Okay. So, >> yeah, but none of our hypotheticals have worked for her, so it's a double standard.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, we could we could just all agree. No children left in the babysitting company of cougars. >> Chloe Chloe is right next this statistic. So women are much more likely

Brian Atlasto commit infanticide. So women are more likely to kill their born children >> at an alarmingly high rate. >> And if you want to talk about abortion >> talking about abort Yeah. No, he's not.

Kate (Boat)He's talking about he's talking about he's talking about born children. Women are much more likely to kill them type. >> Yes. I'm talking about infanticide. I'm not bolstering the statistics by

Chloe Romaincluding abortions. I'm speaking specifically about born already born uh like out of the womb children. >> So, you can't answer whether or not a child would be safer with a woman or a cougar because you don't have the

Chloe Romaspecific child to look at like is there is there a grading system that we're going to pick on? something that I don't have the information about right now. >> You know that a baby should not be left

Brian Atlaswith a cougar. Why are you being weird? Just >> wait. We're not because she doesn't want me to be right. I'm used to it. >> It's okay. >> But we're not asking you to give us >> You just don't want to agree with her.

Brian Atlas>> We're not asking you to give us a super specific uh breakdown with statistics. We're not asking you for a dissertation. Just your gut. Just your gut instinct on this.

SPEAKER_05>> Oh, so we could just talk about anything and specifically whether it's right or not. >> Leave your baby with a woman or a cougar. >> I don't have child that. >> What if it was like your but you didn't

Lindsay Leeanswer your body count? You don't have to answer anything else. Deflection their own medicine. If I gave you so different,

Brian Atlas>> how does it [ __ ] feel? No, you're just being mean for being here from Big Booty. This whole heard enough from our friend Big Booty

Brian Atlasasking about a button. >> When did Taylor say that's about Let me press a button. >> Press what button >> on your little thingy about. >> Wait. >> Oh, on this thing. >> No, about the bear. So, okay. You pick

Big Booty Taythe bear. What percentage of men do you think would essay you >> in this situation? >> You picked the bear. I thought you picked the man. >> No. I don't know. I'm thinking over here like I'm Snow White. Like me and this bear are going to get

Brian Atlas>> She's like a >> You're not going to snuggle with the bear at night. >> I don't know. >> It's going to eat you like that scene with Robert. What's his name? Leonard. >> She's saying closer to the mic. No. Okay. Anyways, whatever. >> She's taking deflection tips from her

Brian Atlasfriend >> Christopher. I think that many women choose the bear because it's an emotional response, not a logical one. I think that many women way more often react more emotionally to things rather than react logically. From Christopher,

Brian Atlasthank you, man. He follows this up by saying, >> "By the way, great beard, Christopher." I think that many women feel like they might be in more danger with a man, >> even though they actually might not be. Even in the worst case scenario, it

Brian Atlaswould be far easier to escape from a bad man than a hungry bear. >> Choosing the man seems like common sense from Christopher. When has a bear ever protected a woman? Whereas like I can think to a few cases where a man has

Gemma Hexprotected me. >> Um in in reference to that comment the and the the whole lady crashing out. >> Um I feel like that is what might have happened is that she

Gemma Hex>> reacted emotionally and then immediately put herself into a panic state in which she, you know, couldn't get out of. I think that's something that women do often. >> Uh Nick, pull up the Discord, please. All right, guys. is we have some things

Brian Atlaswe have to react to. >> Uh there >> did you did you get mine in there? >> Did you get mine? >> Which one? >> Did you send something?

Brian Atlas>> No. Let me just show you pictures. Uh so >> wait, where? Also, the topic is skewed from Vermilion. He says, "Women pass hundreds of men hiking, but people

Brian Atlasrarely encounter bears. If they passed hundreds of bears, the reality would be far different. Hundreds of men pose more of a risk to women, but hundreds of bears would result in a lot more incidents. You said, "I don't want to be stuck in the forest with all that

Brian Atlasestrogen." >> I know, buddy. I tried to tell him. >> Uh, so, uh, scroll up, Nick. We're going to react to a couple memes here. Uh, okay. Click on the blue one there. Blue one. We don't trust men, so we

Brian Atlaschoose bear. So, you understand why I don't want a man in the bathroom with my daughter. Okay. >> Damn. >> Next one. We're going to play this video here. Go full screen and with it. >> I don't

Brian Atlas>> It doesn't need to be video tab. >> All right. So, this is how tall bears be. >> Brown bear. Grizzly bear. I'm not sure. >> Yeah, I think that's a grizzly. >> Skip it forward so we can see this. Oh,

McKennais it going to >> That might be a brown bear. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, here we go. >> Brown and that's a grizzly grizzly. >> That's like she twice her height. >> That guy's from Canada. If you got

Brian Atlasmarshmallows, you'll be fine. >> Are known for being like, too. >> Uh, X out of that. Then the next one here, we have uh >> Kyle. Not Kyle.

Brian Atlas>> Wow. Uh, okay. >> They pick the bear over Kyle. Okay. X out that. >> Whoa. >> And then this one's crazy. Full screen it. >> Full screen. Quick. >> We're not going to see someone get

McKennamauled. Are we dead? >> Brian, I don't want to see. >> She's not dead. And it had a muzzle on. >> Exile that. >> Exhale that. >> Rocking around. >> Next. There's one more, I think. Right.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Pull that one up.

Gemma Hex>> Just saying. Damn, that's huge, son. >> Big ass boat. Anyway, >> it's like you don't you don't want to watch what actually happens, but then you'll sit here and infant like what's

Gemma Hexthe word? Infantilize like a bear. like you're make it seem like cute and stuff, but you can't even look at like what actually happens if you sit in a room with a bear. Even if you've trained that bear your entire life,

Gemma Hex>> like that bear will >> we didn't duck. >> It it has happened so many times. I mean, think about like the the tiger king, >> right? >> And and and the the the lady that he might have >> Mhm. >> with a lion, but you know what I mean? Like

Chloe Roma>> talking about the tiger >> tiger. Did I miss something? Oh, >> I don't think I've ever watched Tiger King. >> I'm never going to financially recover from this. >> I'll watch it tonight. I'm going to watch Tiger King.

Brian Atlas>> Speaking of which, we're lowering the TTS. So, I am indeed >> never going to financially recover from this. >> TTS is now $69. If you want to get a TTS in, $69 TTS, that's streamlabs.com

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SPEAKER_00listen. We Oh, boy. This is >> Clay donated $69. We listen and don't judge. Only one of you has any rational thought. The rest of you, my donation is more than your

Chloe RomaIQ's together. >> There's a few intelligent ladies at this table. Let's not Come on. >> Thank you for the donation. >> She's like, "Thank you. Thanks for your time. You're entitled to your opinion. >> Final question on this bear thing

Brian Atlasthough. >> Oh god. Brian. >> Final question on the bear. >> If we change this question to be instead

Brian Atlasof a man, we just say black person. >> Black person or bear. >> No, I say this all the time. >> If you pick the bear over a black

Chloe Romaperson, do you become a racist? I was just thinking if a bunch of men were sitting here debating whether or not they felt, you know, safe around women and we're generalizing all women, we'd have a [ __ ] fit and we'd be like, "These

Chloe Romamen are so underdeveloped." But because we can just sit there and like, it's crazy if you change most of the [ __ ] that we say about men. If you change the word men to any different race,

Chloe Roma>> ethnicity, it's no longer acceptable. But because it's men, we're just empowered. Empowered queens. >> It is true.

Gemma HexWell, sexism sexism towards men is uh is tolerated. >> They they did this question and it's always sunny in Philadelphia where they wanted to eat somebody but they couldn't

Brian Atlaspick they were like are we racist if we don't eat the black guy? >> But do you think do you think that they would be racist if somebody said I want

Chloe RomaI'll pick the bear over a black person? Yeah, cuz black people commit more crimes in America. >> You don't like that one. >> Putting in a retention. >> Not the Invisalign.

Brian AtlasNot the Invisalign. >> My teeth in. My bad. Casual. >> They're not dentures. It's okay. >> You guys just going to sit there silently or do you want >> I would choose a black guy.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. But the question is, if somebody picked the bear over the black person, would you deem this to be like a racist position to hold?

Lindsay Lee>> I don't know. But I don't think that's even fair for me to answer >> she does that would be you might do things that she would consider racist, but then like you don't consider racist

Chloe Romajust because you're a white guy. So like you're notware in the dictionary, your name would be right. It doesn't answer the question, but it's mental just your questions are not even >> They're very valid. They don't even apply.

Lindsay Lee>> They do. >> What is your opinion? >> I'm talking to you. I'm talking to Brian. >> I'm I'm simply asking you. >> It's I don't understand why you can't answer the question. >> Because I wouldn't view it that way. But

Brian Atlaslike >> you wouldn't depending on who you ask, you're going to have a different opinion. >> You would not think it's racist. No, I think that's a I think that's a preference. >> Why?

Lindsay Lee>> Because we just said we'd rather a bear than a man. >> I guess you're logically >> Well, because you're still saying it's logically consistent. >> Oh, you're not saying a black man. >> But so what I would tell you consistent with my question. You wanted to be like,

Chloe Romawell, my sister works for social services, so why? I'm just so confused. >> What does it have to do with this conversation? >> Has everything to do with it? Girl, I can't. girl who >> uh going to I heard was Oh, sorry. Go

Brian Atlasahead. >> With the So, the question is if if the question changes uh black person versus bear, >> do you think it would be racist for somebody to pick the bear over a black person?

Brian Atlas>> I mean, technically, you said person, which means it doesn't have to be a man. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. which is >> right. No, but they're they're not picking the black person, even though

Brian Atlasthere's a chance it could be a woman. >> See, you said person. I'd pick the black person. >> Yeah. >> I'm not asking you what you would pick. I'm saying if somebody picked the bear over the black p person,

Brian Atlaswould it then be racist? >> Then technically you could classify it as racist. >> No. Is it technically racist or is it racist? >> It would could technically be >> Wait, why are you doing that voice? Um,

Brian Atlaswhat about you? You picked the bear. Do you think it would be racist for somebody to pick a bear over a black person? Get to the mic, please. >> Um, I'm just not going to comment on that one.

Brian Atlas>> Why? Why not? >> Okay, I'm okay. >> Just answer the questions, guys. Come on. >> Makes you sound racist. >> This is getting so tiring. >> It does. Actually, you not answering it

Chloe Romadoes point more towards you being a racist. If you can't say racism bad, you might be a racist. >> But I'm just like I just don't >> Can you speak into the mic, please? Even if you're pissed off by the question.

Big Booty TaySpeak into the microphone. >> Question. Okay. I just don't want to answer the question. I feel like it's kind of maybe a little racist, but >> I I don't even understand. Like, is racism bad? Can you answer that question? >> Feel there's racism not just in the

Big Booty Tayblack community. I feel like there's a lot of racism in every community, but >> Okay. >> Bad or racism good? bad. >> Are we really like

Chloe Roma>> shying away from saying racism is bad just so I like just so we don't think racism >> are men that bad that we don't want to >> the reason all of them didn't want to

Brian Atlasanswer the question is because the entailment then of the position is if it would be racist to pick the bear over the black person then their position is

Brian Atlassexist and I assume they're against isms they're against sexism so you guys are sexist ists. It's okay. You guys are sexist against men. >> Yeah, you're bigots. I mean, >> you're bigots.

McKenna>> Round of applause for the >> I think, >> you know, never mind. I don't know. This convers this question about the man bear thing is just like circling the drain. I was going to say one more thing, but >> go ahead, say one more thing.

McKenna>> I just think that immediately like your mind jumps to when I think of it anyways when the whole man versus bear subject came up and became a really big thing >> is like I know everybody's going to hate me for this, but like just walking past

McKennasomething automatically, selfishly, you're going to think of your own experience and what reaction you're going to have to walk past a man versus a bear.

McKenna>> When you walk past a man dayto day, are you >> We're not talking about daytoday. We're not talking in the middle of the city. We're not talking about all these places. We're talking about alone in the woods, >> right? Now, I got beat up and this is a

Chloe Romatrue story. I got my [ __ ] rocked by a black chick when I was in high school. I deserved it. I was being a [ __ ] I deserved it. Okay. But now racist. No,

Chloe Romano, girl. No. No. I was just being a [ __ ] So now, if our experiences are a good excuse, >> is it okay for me to be like, "Well, I prefer not to be around black people."

Chloe Roma>> I don't prefer not to be around men. >> And you do. You just picked the bear. Meaning you're preferring not to be around men. >> I didn't say I prefer not to be around men. >> Oh my god. I need a minute. This is

Brian Atlas>> Take one, please. >> My brain is hurting. I guess the idea here is because a lot of you will cite to well you know there's certain statistics and you'll

Brian Atlassite to well your own experiences which are valid like you I'm not doubting that you've had negative experiences with men

Brian Atlasbut then when it becomes this sort of creating a social stigma and saying men are are this and then it opens the door

Brian Atlasfor your to remain logically consistent. If you're able to say because of my past experiences, I have justification for my

Brian Atlasgeneralized negative attitudes towards men. In order to remain consistent, if somebody has had a negative experience with a black person, that would then be

McKennajustification and pretext for racism towards black people. But me saying that I would rather walk past a bear in the

McKennawoods doesn't change the way I am acting towards or interacting with men in my day-to-day life. I don't flinch every time I walked past a man. I would smile and wave if I walked past a

McKennarandom guy in the woods. Like, >> right. But having a Oh, go ahead, Kate. >> Well, then why would you be worried and not pick the random man if the if it's most likely >> in the back of my mind? I'm automatically gonna be thinking, "Okay,

Gemma Hexdid he keep going down the trail? Is he far enough away? Is he gonna turn around? Is he gonna start following me?" Is that a trauma response? Sure. >> Earlier, >> see, I don't think that about wildlife. I just >> Sorry, but earlier, weren't both of you

Gemma Hexguys saying not all women don't generalize all women? And what you're doing right now that all men have the the uh what is it? The ability to cause

Lindsay Leeharm to all women. I mean that all anyone can cause harm to any other person. What do you mean? But it's all harm to anyone. >> A bear's going to rip you apart.

Crystal (Policy)>> I think yeah to appeal to an earlier chatter. I think what another chat said, especially given your like context and like your background. Obviously, we don't know everybody's trauma here. So that's something that you emotionally

Crystal (Policy)kind of viscerally align with immediately when you come into such a drastic but blatantly logical question like this. Obviously, you really should not be around bears. I think that's like

Brian Atlasthe logical conclusion immediately. >> So, I'm like I I just answered the question, >> but I just want to be clear. So, for you three, >> you three,

Brian Atlas>> would you be okay with somebody who's had a bad experience with a black person having prejudgments?

Brian Atlas>> Nothing. >> We're back. >> What? >> Nothing. Was it you? >> No. >> No, >> nothing happened. >> We're good. >> Yes. >> Good. Okay. Uh, can somebody jump start where where I was?

Brian Atlas>> Black people racism. >> Uh, okay. I got it. I got it. I got it. So, somebody has a bad experience with a black person.

Brian Atlas>> They then use that as justification for generalized racism towards black people. you guys. It's I believe it's an entailment of your logical position that

Brian Atlasyou would be okay with that racism so long as this individual had a prior bad experience with a black person. >> I mean, I wouldn't be

Lindsay Lee>> Why can you guys not give me the [ __ ] Jenzi stare and [ __ ] answer the [ __ ] question? Holy >> that. It's a matter of you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Because at the same time what you're describing

Lindsay Leelike that's a trauma response like that's not even >> okay but so is it racist? Is it bad? >> Okay. But for instance, just because

Lindsay LeeI've had trauma involving men doesn't mean that I'm now like lesbian and only want to be with women. I'm still seeing men. I still love men. I still love pleasing men. Like I'm still going to

Lindsay Leefeel that way towards it. However, am I going to have that trauma response because I have had bad experiences? Yes. But I don't have to treat all men like that because I know it's not all men.

Lindsay LeeBut I am saying men have that ability and men are biologically stronger than us, especially in their upper body. That's just a fact. So, no, we don't. Your question doesn't apply to me. >> Trauma,

Chloe Roma>> I was responding to him, not you. >> I see people use trauma a lot. And trauma although it's not our fault. It becomes our responsibility to heal from your trauma to say that

Chloe Roma>> it's not our fault and it sucks but it becomes our responsibility. And if we don't take responsibility for our trauma again not our fault but it's our lives. If we don't we're going to go around

Chloe Romathis world hurting people, dehumanizing them, devaluing them, stigmatizing them and fearmongering them. whether you're black, whether you're brown, whether you're a gypsy, whether you're white,

Gemma Hexwhether a man, a woman, whatever. So, you can't use like, oh, well, it's kind of okay cuz of trauma. No, >> it's it's the same thing as I I have bipolar one. If I decide to just stop

Gemma Hextaking my medication, I will become a terrible person who just doesn't even think properly about how I'm treating other people. It is my duty to take my medication to make sure that I don't

Gemma Hexaffect other people in that bad way. >> Right. Same with BPD. BPD. >> Same with BPD. >> Comes from trauma. >> And a lot of people think it's manic pixie dream girl [ __ ] and it's very annoying. >> Some aesthetic. Yeah. >> A lot of the girls in the industry have

Gemma HexI think I wrote that on one of the notes. I said uh talk about it on a later date, but BPD in the sex industry and why it's so prevalent. >> Sure. Um, I guess finishing off on this, if we say

Brian Atlasthat it's understandable or even acceptable for women to harbor resentment or express prejudice against men because of negative past experiences.

Brian AtlasBy that same logic, we'd have to accept that someone who had a bad experience with a black person is justified in being racist. And most of us here would

Brian Atlasrightly reject that. But when it comes to these prejudices or bigotry towards men, there seems to be quite a bit of handwaving

Brian Atlas>> when it comes to that. Food for thought. >> Thanks. >> Uh, okay. All right. We have some chats coming through here. >> Oh, is it going to come? Thank you,

SPEAKER_00Chaw. Sorry for the delay on this. >> Your XD donated $69. >> Appreciate it, man. >> I typically roast the sex workers because, well, they deserve it. Tonight, I found the covered feminists on the

SPEAKER_00left side of the table far more obnoxious. Andrew would have ripped them to shreds. >> Nobody gives a [ __ ] about Andrew Tate, bro. >> I think he's talking about Andrew Wilson. >> They're talking about Andrew Wilson.

SPEAKER_00>> Oh, well. Oh, okay. Well, >> he thinks we're >> Mhm. I love that. >> Griggles donated $69. >> Thank you. >> The only one Bra is talking about is

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