Crash Out Kylie LAWSUIT Update?! Chloe Roma vs. Feminists! Goth Alt E-GIRL! | Dating Talk #252

Date: 2025-07-21

Duration: 8h 19m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJade Warrick >

BBig Booty Tay >

CCrystal (Policy)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Big Booty Tay(guest)

SPEAKER_04Kate (Boat)(guest)

SPEAKER_06McKenna(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Jade Warrick(guest)

SPEAKER_09Lindsay Lee(guest)

SPEAKER_11Gemma Hex(guest)

SPEAKER_12Crystal (Policy)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Chloe Roma(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentCrash Out Kylie update: Brian plays her TikToks claiming Bell's palsy and SA comparison

Key MomentBrian reads his full legal email to Kylie rejecting $650 demand

ControversyGemma pegged a man publicly at Folsom Street Fair

Key MomentLindsay names Trevor Wallace and NFL player as past partners on air

Key MomentChloe reveals Romanian orphanage origin, fled abusive relationship at 19, was homeless with baby at train station at 2am

ControversyChloe's graphic bear mauling description to counter bear preference

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests including Chloe Roma, Gemma Hex, Lindsay Lee.

Alimony/No-Fault Divorce

Kate receives ongoing alimony from military ex. Extended debate.

Crash Out Kylie Update

Brian reads Kylie's TikToks claiming Bell's palsy, SA comparison. Reads his legal email rejecting $650 demand.

Folsom Street Fair

Gemma pegged a man publicly at Folsom. Brian reads event FAQ.

Escorting Economics

Gemma $1K/session. Lindsay $10-20K/month. Big Booty Tay $1-1.2K/session.

Lindsay Names Names

Trevor Wallace and NFL player Legar Garrett Blunt named as past partners.

Body Count Round

Gemma hundreds. Lindsay 200+. Big Booty Tay 150-200. Crystal single digits. Chloe 11.

Bear vs Man

Heated debate with graphic bear mauling description from Chloe.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasgot some updates on the whole her crashing out crash out Kylie crashing out uh lawsuit update with her. Uh so we'll do that after after the introductions.

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Brian Atlaswe're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So, please tell us your uh tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, education. Go ahead.

Gemma Hex>> Hi, I'm Jimma Hex with a J. I'm from Las Vegas and I am a model/ adult actress. >> Age? >> Oh, I'm 27. >> 27. All right. Any education? College?

Gemma Hex>> Um, I went to school for abnormal psychology and criminal justice as well as film and photography. >> Did you get like an associates degree, bachelor's degree? I got many credits but ended up >> you didn't complete it.

Gemma Hex>> I didn't complete I I did many years but unfortunately didn't get the degree. >> And you said abnormal psychology. >> Tell me like do you recall anything you learned?

Gemma Hex>> Well, I I continue studying every day. Um I actually watch this show a lot >> about how people think and and how they would like to discuss it with other people. It's very interesting to me. >> Okay.

Gemma Hex>> Yeah. >> And I noticed you have vampire teeth. I do. Yeah. >> So, are those what are they? They're uh surgically added or how does that what are they called? >> Basically, if like think of the stuff they fill your cavities with, they build

Gemma Hexthat up onto the tooth and then they create the shape that works best for your bite. I have an overbite. I get asked all the time if I bite myself. >> Do a big smile into the camera right here so they can see the vampire teeth. Do you have any other body mods or is

Gemma Hexthat it? >> Uh, I have a split tongue. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. Um, other than that, I'm >> have about lots tattoos on me. I'm working on a full body blackout right now. So,

Brian Atlas>> yeah. >> All right, rock and roll. And, uh, you said you do, uh, OAF and >> I do OAF. I have many vids as well. Um, >> so you have what? >> Uh, many vids. >> Many Oh, okay. It's like a different platform.

Gemma Hex>> It's a newer site. I I tend to like it a lot more cuz it's more new age than Only Fans is. the setup and the the way the website is made. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Like I'd say Only Fans is like analog Facebook and many vids is like Tik Tok, Twitter, you know, like it's it's new, it's fast, people want to see it.

Gemma Hex>> And you do uh you do like traditional adult content too. >> Um I mean obviously I'm in the alt sector. Um I do a lot of like split tongue content. I do a lot of doming,

Gemma Hexlike dominatrix work, >> but my main money comes from doing like girlfriend experience or uh I don't want to call it like mommy work, but it's basically just being like

Gemma Hexvery caring and and like making sure somebody knows that they can get through that stressful time with you type thing that they have somebody behind them. >> All right. >> It's I like to care.

Gemma Hex>> Okay. Have you done any other kind of like sex work? Um, yeah, I'm an escort as well, but I I don't do it on a mainstream scale. I I've had the same >> couple people for a very long time, and we've become very good friends, very

Gemma Hexclose. >> Any dancing, stripping, anything like that? >> I would like to soon. Um, after my tattoos are done, within this next month, I'll be starting to dance in Vegas.

Lindsay Lee>> Put myself out there. >> Gotcha. Okay. What about you? >> I'm Lindsay Lee. I'm 29. I'm from Arizona and

Lindsay LeeI have done some college, but I was uh working corporate and doing adult entertainment. So, I'm an adult film star right now full-time. >> All right, Cat, thank you for the gifted

Brian Atlas50 memberships. Thank you. Uh Nick, is the audio maxed? >> Yeah. >> Okay, Cat, big thank you for the gifted 50 memberships, guys. W's in the chat for Cat. Very generous of you. Thank you. Thank you. And sorry, did do you

Lindsay Leesay you did any uh college or university or anything? >> Yeah, I did, but I couldn't afford school and work, so I just had to keep working. >> All right, cool. Cool. Welcome back. What about you?

McKenna>> Uh, my name is McKenna. I go by Kenna B with content work. Um, I'm 29. I'm from Portland, Oregon, but I live in Tempe, Arizona now. Um, I'm a veterinary

McKennatechnician, a licensed esthetician, and um, I do Only Fans as well as mini vids, I don't know, adult content. Um, yeah, full-time all the time. >> You're allowed to do that and have a full-time job. >> Yeah.

McKenna>> Do they know? >> Um, the practice that I work for for the last nine and a half years, my entire team knew what I did as far as Only Fans. Um, the corporation I work for now doesn't technically know what I do as far as like the corporate head higherups

McKennabecause we're I'm just gonna say we're owned by Mars. Um, like the people that own the candy bars, um, the corporation that I work for now, but like all my inhouse management co-workers, other technicians, doctors, all of them know

McKennawhat I do. >> Do you think they watch your stuff? >> Um, not really. It's mainly straight women that I work with. Um, I've had like one gentleman that I worked with. >> Oh, weird. Um, yeah, vet clinics, like the men tend to be a veterinarian, but

McKennathe rest of the staff is mainly women. Um, so I had like one like client like that brings, you know, an owner that brought their pets to us at the general practice I worked to back in Oregon that followed me, but he like never made it a

McKennathing to like say anything in the clinic. He wouldn't try to like get me in trouble. Not that they could. My entire staff knew, they didn't care. >> And you work with pets, you said. >> I'm a veterinary technician. I've been a veterary technician nine going on 10 years. >> Nice. Yeah.

Jade Warrick>> All right then. >> All right. Uh, what about you, >> Jade Warrick? The Warrick report. I'm 27 from Wales. Um, yes, I went to Cardiff University. Business. Um, I'm a

Jade Warrickpolitical and social commentary person now. It's kind of all I do. >> All right. Uh, education. >> Yeah, Cardiff Uni. >> Oh, what did what was your degree in? >> Business and leadership.

Big Booty Tay>> We got a smart woman at the table. Look at you go. What about you? >> Uh, my name is Big Booty Tay with four Y's. As of now, I've been full Only F.

Big Booty Tay>> Like your legal name? Big Booty? >> Booty is your middle name or >> Yeah, that's my that's my last name. Um, as of now, >> that's your last name. >> Yes. As of now, I am full-blown Only

Big Booty TayFans, Camming, and hopefully stripping. >> Any college, university? >> Um, I'm a beauty school dropout. So, no. >> Beauty school dropout. Wait, is it uh Did you notice that glitch? >> Yeah, that's what I was just

Brian Atlasinvestigating. I saw it on YouTube, too. When we do our camera >> when it goes Let me see if I can Hold on. I'm going to see if I can reproduce it. I know the fix to it. It's really

Brian Atlasweird. I don't Let me see. So, usually it's three cam. No, sorry, guys. I'm trying to reproduce

Brian AtlasOBS's glitching out when going right cam. Uh here in 3cam Nick, what we're gonna do uh do you see GH5R

Brian Atlasin sources? In sources. Okay. No, no, no. The top one that's at the very top. Uh hit the Yep. Hit that. Okay. That's going to be our temporary fix for that.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> All right. That should probably fix it. Anyways, um sorry. Uh university. You said no university. No, I'm just >> uh What about you?

Crystal (Policy)>> Crystal here. Nice to meet everyone. Um from Oakland, California. I am 28, but I'll be 29 on Wednesday. >> And I currently work for the states. I have my associates in political science.

Crystal (Policy)I have my bachelor's in political science, and I'm currently a full-time graduate student at USC for my masters in public administration. You >> said you work for the state. >> Yes, sir. >> What do you do? >> I do policy work.

Brian Atlas>> What does that mean? Um, I help my senator write policy for the state of California. >> Oh, >> okay. Is there anything in particular

Crystal (Policy)you're working on right now? >> Um, yeah, we have a full bill package. Um, a bill that I've worked on that's been signed by the governor, SB67. It's called ODM MAPS.

Brian Atlas>> Are uh you who you work for, is he a Republican, Democrat? >> He's a Republican. >> Republican. Okay. Are there many Republicans in the what is it the state senate >> state of California? Uh

Brian Atlas>> what what is it the state senate or >> Yeah, there's not many at all. This is a super majority state obviously. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Huh. Well, I'm curious. Is there

Brian Atlasuh like let's say I wanted to change the law in California. How do I go about that? What would what would the process be? As an individual,

Brian Atlasit's pretty hard depending on what side, >> but you could you could appeal to somebody who is a legislator, right? >> And then they could possibly try to propose a bill,

Crystal (Policy)>> right? The bigger your coalition, depending on the subject, the more tact you'll have as far as getting things across the finish line.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Uh let's say child support reform >> in the state of California. What if you wanted to uh put caps on it? What would

Crystal (Policy)be the procedure and the process for uh capping child support? >> Well, you need to get a like a group of stakeholders obviously together and then you would lobby a certain senator depending on your district or what you

Crystal (Policy)think a senator's area of expertise would be in and then you would follow the process along that that route. But it's like grassroots is really where it's at when you're talking about making change on an individual level. >> Gotcha.

Gemma Hex>> Would that be like a petition type thing? Like if you wanted something changed or you wanted to bring up something, you'd get a petition with a bunch of signatures and then bring it to them, >> right? I mean, that's the process when you want to put something on the ballot.

Crystal (Policy)Uh but a bill, I guess it would be more directly through an actual legislate legislature, like the actual senator or assembly member. >> So you could bring like a petition to your state representative and they could bring it to somebody like you. Well, my

Crystal (Policy)senator. Yeah, >> your senator. >> Interesting. >> But, uh, it's like really like chain of command. There's a lot of steps when it comes to like changing the law. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. All right. Wait, hold on. I got my

Kate (Boat)my everything mixed up here. >> Uh, age. Did you say your age? >> Oh, 28. >> Okay. 28. All right. What about you?

Kate (Boat)>> My name is Kate and I'm 37 from Seattle and I wash boats and yachts for work. >> Wow. Love that. And I >> You have You have a rough night yesterday.

Kate (Boat)>> No, my voice is like this. The aderall dries my vocal cords out. >> Oh, okay. All right. >> So, it makes it It wasn't like this before I was taking the Add a makes me pretty mad. >> Okay. We're You were on the show a couple months ago.

Kate (Boat)>> Yes. >> Did you take Adderall before? I don't recall your voice being uh >> It It's been changing. It's changed like the last couple of months, but it was still pretty raspy the last time I was

Kate (Boat)on. Okay. >> Um, it's getting slightly less raspy now, but it's causing this weird in between of like it still makes my voice

Brian Atlasraspy, but my vocal cords aren't as dry. >> Okay, gotcha. All right. Uh, >> people like that. [Music] >> Off center.

Brian Atlas>> Brian, sorry to interrupt. By your request, reporting an issue. The center full table camera is off centered. You're talking about this one, right?

Brian AtlasFull table. Uh, you know what? It It might just be an optical illusion. >> It's a little It's a teeny bit. So, what I'm doing is right now I'm looking at the top corners. Uh, so if you're

Brian Atlaslooking at the bottom corners, you'll be like, "Wo, there's a big empty space behind her, but I'm al almost almost cut off." But if you're looking at the top corners, it is a little bit pushed in

Brian Atlasthat direction, but it's not too bad. I'll I'll adjust it in a bit. Thank you. Thank you for the looking out, though. I do appreciate it. Uh I will uh look into that. Uh any college or university or anything?

Brian Atlas>> Um I went to cosmetology school for a while, but I didn't enjoy it, so I didn't finish. >> Okay. What happened to the nose ring? Didn't you have a nose ring or something? Septum. >> Several piercings I took out. >> They're all gone now after your last

Brian Atlasappearance. Uh, yo, Natalyia, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships, guys. W's in the chat for Natalia. Thank you so much. That's very kind of you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Uh, Chloe, what about you?

Chloe Roma>> Ah, you guys already know who I am. My name is Chloe Roma. I'm an international men's rights advocate, first person on social media to ever do it. Down here all the way from Canada. I'm 28 years

Chloe Romaold and post-secary education. I'm university educated for uh funeral services and inbombing. and I have an undergrad in uh disabilities with a specialization in fetal alcohol spectrum

Chloe Romadisorder. And I'm going back to school for forensic psychology and criminal profiling. >> Wow. >> All right. Let's go. >> Thank you. >> And you said you got a degree in like

Chloe Romainbalming or >> funeral services. Yeah. From Mount Royal University >> in Canada. >> Yes, sir. >> And did you ever actually work in the funeral industry or? Uh, no. Because I'm covered in tattoos and they waited till

Chloe Romathe second last day to talk about attire before the exams. And my professor pretty much looked at me and was like, "Yeah, it's a very competitive field and you're the last person to get picked." Took all my money, waited till the last day, but it's fine cuz I do this instead. >> So messed up. >> Wow.

Chloe Roma>> Right. >> That is so >> So you never actually ended up in balming? >> No. Well, I did. >> Well, during the school, but in terms of employment >> professionally, no. You can do my funeral. >> Oh, okay.

Chloe RomaWait, so uh like the you were not granted like a diploma or >> No, I have it. I just didn't go into the field. Instead, I left and I went into

Chloe Romaaddictions and disabilities. >> But they wouldn't let you do it because of your tattoos. >> I could have, but the professor, we were talking about attire the very last day, and the professor was like, just so you know, this is a very competitive field.

Chloe RomaYou're dealing with people from many different religions. You know, some are like the last people to evolve because they're so old. So, you know, you're trusting somebody to be the last person to ever touch your loved ones. And a lot

McKennaof people would not trust someone looking like me. So, >> I would only trust someone looking like you personally. >> Well, I mean, they got turtleneck. You could have worn a turtle neck, right? >> Yeah. I don't know. Well, the hands. I'd have to >> Oh, the hands.

Chloe Roma>> But don't you wear gloves when you're actually inbombing someone? >> Funeral services and inbombing. You're not just inbombing. You could go from inbombing somebody to having to clean up and actually go and plan the funeral with the family. So it's very onetoone and Yeah. >> Have you seen Six Feet Under?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> You haven't seen Six Feet Under? >> No. That's a good show. >> It was a old very old Well, old show on HBO. I think like the early mid 2000s. It focused on a family that lived in a

Brian Atlasfuneral home. Uh kind of >> the Adams family. >> No, they ran a Okay. And basically every episode somebody dies and uh long form drama show in the same vein of like the

Brian AtlasSopranos. It was it came out right around the same time as The Sopranos. So >> premium HBO production documentary. I'll look into it. >> No, no, it was a fiction. >> A fun show. Okay. I'll binge watch it.

Kate (Boat)>> Fiction show. Yeah. They ran the funeral home and the dad passed away or something. >> Wait, don't [ __ ] spoil it. >> The first episode. That's the first episode. >> Don't spoil. Yeah, don't spoil even the,

Kate (Boat)you know, >> great. Now I know what the first episode of a six season show. I don't think I ruined it. >> It came out like 20 plus years ago. So I guess >> isn't the guy from Dexter on there? >> Yes. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh what's his name? The guy who played Dexter is >> Michael Seahol. >> Michael Seahhol. So he's pretty good. >> Yeah. So I don't know if you're into funeral home stuff, but recommend the show. Uh

Brian Atlas>> would you let me in and bomb you, Brian? Uh, I plan I'm going to I'm going to >> cremation. >> Yes, I'll just Yeah, I'll say I'm going to remember that. You can >> It's a legally binding contract.

Brian Atlas>> All right, we're going to go around the table once more. What's everybody's relationship status? So, are you single? Uh, relationship, married, whatever. How long have you been single if you're single? And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in,

Gemma Hexstarting with you? >> Um, I am currently engaged. >> Congratulations. I thank you so much. Um me and my partner are both in the film

Gemma Hexand photography and adult industry scene. Um um we we discussed I'm not allowed to talk a lot about him, but he has a big boy job. So he's mainly focusing on that, but our goals are to

Gemma Hexcreate like a production company in Las Vegas together in which we can bring people to a safe environment in order to uh to work. So those that's our goals

Gemma Hextogether. Um, but my longest relationship was probably about 6 years. And that was a it was pretty toxic. Um, until I got into this relationship. I

Gemma Hexfeel I was in this like cycle of going through the same types of men and the same types of relationships that just left me downtrodden and and in a bad place. And I'm very lucky to have the

Gemma Hexperson I have now. >> How long have you guys been together? >> We've been together for uh a year now. What's the longest relationship you've ever been in? >> Uh, the one I just spoke of is like six years. >> Oh, six years ago. >> Um, I was back in Charleston, South Carolina.

Gemma Hex>> Got it. >> Where? I'm from I am from the South. >> Who broke up with who for the six-year one? >> Um, it's it's one of those situations where we we just realized like it it wasn't going to work between us. We we

Gemma Hexhad broken up. We spent a couple months apart. tried again and it was great for a month and then after that we realized that neither of us had grown in the ways that we thought that

Gemma Hexwe had and so we split up and I literally moved across the country and came to Las Vegas to start my life. >> That was about four years ago.

Lindsay Lee>> Okay, cool. Cool. What about you? >> I am happily single and uh my longest relationship was probably about five

Lindsay Leeyears. my high school sweetheart. And um technically like his mom broke it off by telling me because he just blocked me on everything. So >> yeah.

Lindsay Lee>> How long you been single for? >> Oh god, I don't know. I don't know if I count my last one even. >> Don't count. >> Maybe maybe two years then.

McKenna>> Okay. What about you? >> Um I've been single since I think 2022 now. So, we're pushing 3 years. Yeah, we're almost at 3 years.

McKennaUm, my longest relationship that I was ever in was 5 and a half years long from the time I was 15 to almost 21. It was like my high school sweetheart relationship as well. It was very toxic and messed up and I don't know, it was

McKennaemotionally toxic. >> What did you do that was toxic? >> I didn't actually do anything. Um, he just assume it was her. >> Yeah, he he was also 3 years older than me. Um, but he just cheated on me pretty much the whole time and it was like my

McKennafirst love. I was madly in love with him and so I accepted everything that you should not accept being in a relationship as a young woman and yeah, it kind of wrecked my whole view on love

McKennaand everything moving forward. And then I was single for a year and a half and then I got into a relationship with somebody else who was very toxic and overbearing and like tried to kidnap me

McKennaand not let me leave his apartment when I tried to break up with him. Um, and I have been single since then and that's why I've been single for 3 years. >> Good times. >> Good reason. >> And then you said, uh, so that was the one that ended 3 years ago. >> Um, yeah.

McKenna>> How long was that one? >> Um, it was like almost a year. >> Okay. >> Yeah, it was like right on the 12 month mark and then I found out that he'd had another girlfriend for 10 months of the 12 months we were together. >> Gotcha. What about you?

Jade Warrick>> My god. Um, in a relationship. We talked about it last time. And then my longest relationship was four years. >> All right. in Seattle actually where you're from. >> What about you?

Big Booty Tay>> Um it will be 4 years single. Last relationship was 4 and a half years. I want to say that was my longest one. >> And that was also your last relationship. Four and a half. Okay.

Big Booty TayEnded four years ago. >> Uh you've been single for four years. Have there been any like, you know, couple months? Friends with benefits? >> I guess situations, but you don't really count I don't really count them cuz we're not really getting to know each other. Just >> What is the situation? What do you

Big Booty Tayclassify that as? >> Just like just like pretend like pretend boyfriend and girlfriend >> friends with benefits. >> Yeah. Yeah, I would have to say that. >> Okay. >> Boyfriend experience. But >> we don't talk >> being monogamous or actually in a

Crystal (Policy)relationship. >> Talk every like what month? Two months. >> Yeah. >> See each other and never talk again. >> What about you? >> I'm newly single. Coming up on three months. That relationship lasted for

Crystal (Policy)about 3 years. I keep maxing out at three years cuz my ex before him was also three years. >> I hope you're doing okay. >> Like two years. >> I'm doing great. I'm here. >> Two or three. >> Say it again. >> You've had two or three?

Crystal (Policy)>> Uh I've had like three serious relationships and all of them have kind of maxed out at 3 years. >> Okay. >> Uh the most recent one who broke up with who? >> I broke up with them. >> The previous one who broke up with who?

Crystal (Policy)>> Me also. >> The previous one who broke up with who? >> Me also. >> Okay. Uh any reoccurring reasons, different reasons? >> Uh the first breakup never takes. So I have a way of coming back around, but at

Crystal (Policy)the end of the day, it never works out because we have different we're just in different places usually is what I've come to find. >> Okay. All right. What about you? >> I am single. I've been single for

Kate (Boat)I don't know about a year and a half or so. Um I was kind of seeing a guy a little bit, but we weren't really official. Um, and >> longest relationship. >> My longest relationship was nine years.

Brian Atlas>> And were you married? >> Yes. >> Just one time? >> Yes. >> All right. No kids, right? >> Nope. >> Okay. Married nine years. Who initiated the divorce? >> He did.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Uh, any alimony in any direction? >> Um, he sends he pays me a little bit but not much. >> When did the when did that end the

Kate (Boat)marriage relationship? Um, We split up about nine years ago and then the divorce was final a few years ago. I can't remember the exact date.

Kate (Boat)>> Wait, you've been separated for 9 years? >> No, we split up at that time, but the divorce wasn't final for a few years. >> But you guys were broken up 9 years ago. >> Yes, that was my longest relationship.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, you dated him maybe what from like 20 to 29? >> Yes, about that. Yeah. >> Okay. And then but it took time for you guys to actually get divorced. Yeah. And he's is he still paying you alimony

Brian Atlas>> a little bit? >> Uh wait. And sorry you initiated it. He initiated. >> He initiated it. >> He initiated the divorce. Okay. Um

Brian Atlasand during that time you guys were separated, was he providing you support financially? >> Um a small amount. >> Okay. >> When we're separated because of >> Wait, how long were you guys married? Uh

Kate (Boat)nine years. >> Oh, you were together nine years and married nine years. >> We were together just over nine years. We got married very quickly. We were both >> like how how quick into meeting? >> Three months.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, three months. Okay. >> Got married. Uh what is the um is the alimony going to expire or is that in perpetuity? Um, it's he has to pay me a little bit

Chloe Romafor a while because of the length of time that we were together. >> What state were you married in? >> Washington state. >> Washington state. >> Wait, what? Hold on a second. Cuz I don't know if we have this in Canada. If you guys break up,

Chloe Roma>> one person. I assume it's whoever makes more money. Correct. >> It has. >> Or is it always the man? >> It has to do with how long you're married, how long you're together. >> But who's the one most commonly playing? Like, who has to pay? Is the one who makes the most money or the dude? It's usually the one who makes the most

Chloe Romamoney. >> So here, say you and I are married for nine years. Say you're awful and you like I'm not saying you are, but say you like beat me every day, >> screwed my brother, my dad, and my

Chloe Romagrandpa and now we have to break up and I got to pay you money just because we broke up. >> Because if you're married, yes. But that has to do with whether or not it's a no fault state.

Kate (Boat)>> What the hell does that mean? A no fault state means that there is if you're not in a no fault state, somebody can come and say like if a guy is divorcing a woman because she cheated on him. Yeah. >> He can say she cheated on me. She ruined

Kate (Boat)our marriage. She's at fault. I shouldn't have to pay her. >> Okay. >> When you are in a no fault state, they don't look at any of that stuff. It doesn't matter who did what in your relationship. >> The person who was making the majority

Chloe Romaof the money still usually needs to provide. >> And was that the case with you? It was no fault. >> Yeah, it's a no fault state. >> That sounds crazy. So, how how do you protect against like cases of like abuse or something cuz often times you can't

Chloe Romanot saying you were abusive. I'm not suggesting you in any way, but people in those situations I just don't understand because a lot of times you can't prove abuse. >> That's part of why a lot of people want to get rid of no fault. >> Okay. Because correct.

Kate (Boat)>> Thank you for saying that. I appreciate that >> because >> nothing against you personally. I'm just, you know, I'm not from here. I I agree with you that it's not fair most of the time what they do when it's like, hey, a guy has to pay half of his money

Brian Atlasto a woman. >> Um, so yeah, I mean I have a few more questions on this. So, uh, when was the divorce finalized? >> I don't remember the exact time. It was

Brian Atlasa few years after we separated. >> Okay. So, was it before or after CO? >> Before. >> Before CO. >> Yes. >> Okay. And do you know the length of time

Kate (Boat)he has to pay you alimony? >> I'm not entirely sure. It's partly because of his job and I don't really want to get into that a whole lot. It has to do with the length of time that we were legally married. >> Sure.

Kate (Boat)>> Uh so you when you say it has to do with his job, so he he was or is a high earner. >> Um no, not necessarily. I don't want to get into what he does for work because

Brian Atlasthis is not about him and his information doesn't need to be out there. Oh, we don't need to know like where he works or his specific thing. Do are you able to share like the field that he's in? Is he >> like finance or >> I can't really share it without giving

Kate (Boat)it away. >> That's fine. Um it's like a famous >> and it has to do with um us being because we were legally married for more than 10 years that makes a difference with it.

Kate (Boat)>> How were you legally married from >> because we split up. We were together for 9 years and then the divorce took a while. All right. So, you uh you each had lawyers? >> No.

Kate (Boat)>> Oh, okay. So, neither of you had lawyers. >> The paperwork? >> Yeah. Did you guys have a prenuptual agreement? >> No, there's >> Okay. >> You know, we don't argue over anything.

Brian AtlasThere's not really like a ton of hard feelings over it. It's just, >> you know, we sign the paperwork and >> Yeah. I guess what I'm getting at is you guys didn't have kids. Uh what during

Brian Atlasthe course of the relationship was he financially taking care of everything? >> Mostly. Yes. >> Okay. Did you not pursue certain job opportunities because you were with him?

Kate (Boat)>> Uh yeah. >> Like were you working while you were with him? >> His job moved us around. >> Okay. And then prior to meeting him, uh like what were you doing for work? >> I was 19. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> I didn't really work a whole lot. And was were you guys about the same age or was he a bit older? >> He was three and a half years older. >> Three and a half years older. Okay. Um

Brian Atlasand was the divorce contentious? >> Not really. >> Okay. Uh if you wanted to, could you go to the court and say, you know what, I don't want alimony. Could you do that?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, probably. >> Is there any reason you don't? Like is he is he just like would he voluntarily just pay you the money if there was no

Kate (Boat)uh legal court whatever? >> I'm not entirely sure. It's honestly it's hard to answer it because it all

Brian Atlashas to do with stuff with his job that I can't really get into. >> Okay. Um >> is he with the CIA? >> No.

Brian Atlas>> Couldn't tell us. Like, but but I guess my question is what I'm getting at here. Y'all have been separated for 9 years. Why? And you don't have kids.

Brian Atlas>> When's the last time you Okay. Well, I'll just say, "When's the last time you had sex with him?" >> Why would I have sex with him when we're not together? >> Yeah, exactly. Why should he give you money if you're not together? It's [ __ ] crazy. In any case, look, there's perhaps some instances where I

Brian Atlasthink alimony could be argued as justified, but you're both single. Uh, you've been separated for nine nine years. Why is this guy paying you [ __ ] money?

Kate (Boat)>> He's also not paying me a lot of money. And a big part of it has to do with the fact that I moved around for his career and was not able to establish one of my own. >> So, for many years after we split up, I

Kate (Boat)was in a pretty tough situation trying to get my life sorted out so that I could afford to take care of myself more. And over those years, he has paid me less and less. Well, for the period of time that you guys were together,

Brian Atlas>> what he was paying all the rent? >> Yes. >> Okay. Was he paying for food? >> Yes. >> He was paying your expenses. >> Did he give you like a allowance or something? >> No. >> No allowance. Okay. So, like if you

Kate (Boat)needed to buy something for you, how would you >> I would ask him. >> Oh. So, okay. You didn't get an allowance, but anything you needed, he would pay for it. >> No, not if I needed it. Yes. I didn't go

Kate (Boat)out and just go on shopping sprees with his money. If I was spending anything >> more than $50, it was, "Hey, can I get this?" And if he said no, it was, "Okay, I won't."

Brian Atlas>> I want to ask the chat chat, do you think that uh given the fact they don't have kids? Uh they were married for uh

Brian Atlastechnically over 10 years, but they were together for nine years, separated, but he delayed his divor start of the divorce. You think this guy should be paying her

Brian Atlas9 years? It's been a nearly a decade since they've had sex. I'm sorry. I don't know. Like what about what if the courts were like, "You know what?

Brian AtlasWhat about sexual alimony?" Oh, >> why is it that men? >> Hold on. Look, I'm not I'm not advocating for this. I don't I'm not I'm not saying that prescriptively that this

Brian Atlasshould be the case, but you guys would be like, "That's ridiculous. Why like why should the woman have to continue having sex with the man after they've broken up? Why should the man then have to continue paying the woman after

Chloe Romathey've broken up?" >> Okay, I hear what you're saying. I think the better question is, is he happy to pay this money? Number one, like is does he have an issue? Number two, if it's

Kate (Boat)not a lot of money, what's the reason you continue to take it? >> I am still in a position where I'm getting to the point where I'm not going to need it anymore. >> You're almost there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. But kind of like with a car

Lindsay Leeagreement, you can't just be like, "Oh, I got a red car and I signed this lease. Now I want a blue one." then you know they should just uh disregard the agreement. Like

Lindsay Lee>> marriage is a legal legal binding between men and women. So I mean >> also we don't know what they went through. Like maybe she has some like emotional distress or something like that. >> Emotional distress.

Lindsay Lee>> Yeah. I mean men are like a lot to handle especially if we don't know the in and outs of somebody's relationship. >> Wait, hold on. He divorced her. >> Yeah. >> You don't think that caused emotional trauma? >> Like you know what? I want a blue BMW.

Kate (Boat)>> Yeah, she's moved her whole life. >> Are you alleging Are you alleging that there was emotional trauma? >> I moved my entire life for >> That's not emotal trauma. >> That's emotional stress. Moving is a lot. Moving is a lot of work. >> Hold on. No, no, no. Hold on. Y'all are

Brian Atlascrazy. >> Moving in my my perspective when she's saying, "Well, my my life, you know, I was moving around." What I hear is she

Brian Atlaslived for free for 9 years. If I could get with a girl and she took care of [ __ ] everything for 9 years, I wouldn't be trying to shake her down for

Brian Atlasmoney a [ __ ] decade after the last time we even been together. >> Some men do. Some men will take from women like that. >> Okay. The legal system is literally a

Chloe Roma[ __ ] shakeddown. It's wealth transfer from men to women. That's the legal system. >> Okay. I my other question is if the positions were reversed, obviously you're the only one that knows the full

Chloe Romain-n-outs of your relationship. I'm not here to judge you. I'm not here to judge anybody. Well, I kind of am a little bit, but I'm not I'm not going to judge you. >> Judge, Chloe, >> my question is, don't you're like, do

Kate (Boat)it, do it. Um, if the positions were exactly reversed, would you be happy to pay him as well? I don't know if I would be happy about it, but if I had married somebody that was a lifetime commitment

Kate (Boat)and they moved their entire life for my career so that I could do what I wanted to do and live my life how I want to, then I would probably understand that if that's how the courts are set up, that's just something I have to deal with. Or if that's whatever it is that has to do

Brian Atlasthat, then >> um >> I But here's what I don't understand, right? So I I think there there is I hear the other side when it comes to alimony and divorce where it's like a woman uh let's say a you you meet a girl

Brian Atlasand she was in college at the time and she was pursuing software engineering and had she gone on to get that degree she would end up making you know upon

Brian Atlasgraduation in some cases immediately they start making $100,000 a year. they a lot of these software engineers can make into like the 200 $300,000 a year eventually. But I guess my question is

Brian Atlaswhat if a woman prior to meeting her, she was a uh a hairdresser and that was what she was going to be for the rest of her life.

Brian AtlasSome hairdressers make really like you don't really I mean you can raise your prices over time, but if you're a hair if you're a hairdresser uh >> you keep the skills that you got prior

Brian Atlasto entering the relationship. Why should a man then basically uh what's what's the term for it? Uh subsidize your life. >> Mhm. when once that relationship ends,

Brian Atlasyou can just go back to the career you were doing and basically make what you I mean adjusted for inflation or whatever make what you were doing at the uh start

Brian Atlasof the relationship. I realize not all people are hairdressers but also not all people are software engineers. So >> most people after they've not been working for a while have a very hard time going back to whatever career they

Brian Atlaswere doing and making the same amount. for one that is makes it very difficult. >> Okay. But I also there's this lack of acknowledgement like the way I'm viewing it is if he was supporting you during

Brian Atlasthis entire time. I view that as a windfall where you didn't have any actual expenses like you didn't pay for rent, you didn't pay for food, you didn't pay for XYZ expense for a period

Brian Atlasof you know nine the nine years you were together. I view that as a windfall and I don't know that's >> But would you have been happy to have paid the bills? >> Did you put Did you put aside your

Chloe Romadreams and your goals and your education to support him in his endeavors? >> Yes. >> So I don't see what the issue is. I think that there should be a time cap. 9 years. I think that's a little long.

Chloe RomaHowever, Brian, if you are, you know, if you're, say you're with a woman and, you know, she's like, "I'm a rock star and I want to go travel the world, but you have to be with me, so you have to give

Chloe Romaup your podcast, everything you're doing, and all the money you're making and come, come, I'll take care of you." But then she's just one day she's like, "Yeah, like I'm going to divorce you." Whatever reason, whatever. Would you not feel kind of slighted? You'd be like, "I had my own stuff."

Chloe Roma>> But then on the other side of it, it's like that's your choice. So I I'm kind of 50/50. I think 9 years is a long time, but I also think if you've put your whole life aside for somebody to support them in their endeavors, which

Chloe Romaoften happens in relationships, then I get it for 9 years. No, but I get it. like 2 3 years after >> or perhaps like at a minimum when the relationship's ended if you've been the

McKennasole provider of all the finances of everything just like a grace period when the relationship's over of supporting them to the point where they get financially you know stable enough to support everything themselves and then

McKennatake it away versus like we were together for 25 years now I'm going to have to pay you every month a certain amount you know for the 25 years even though we just split up for the rest of our lives.

Brian AtlasThere are definitely a whole bunch of different scenarios that can either >> uh make it make more sense for there to be alimony, but you know, in this case, I I think that I I think yes, I'm not

Brian Atlasgoing to be super hardline where it's like, all right, you're a woman, you met young, you've been with the guy for 40 years, and then he dumps you. I think

Brian Atlasit'd be fair to say that there should be some component of ongoing support. uh perhaps not for the rest of the life but for a period of time but in this

Brian Atlasspecific example uh and even in this specific example I'd be willing to grant perhaps a year of alimony would be warranted just to get somebody back on

Brian Atlastheir feet but I mean like what nine year a decade's a long period of time so what like you know

Gemma Hex>> if I may add um >> I mean to me uh the The way that I'm like hearing the whole alimony situation is it sounds like you were promised a

Gemma Hexcertain lifestyle and you were promised a certain financial freedom or a certain dream or or you know like home, family, whatever. And because that promise was broken

Gemma Hexlike like during that promise you were like oh I don't I don't need to go do all these other things because I'm taken care of. But once that promise is broken, you were expect expectant of those things for the next coming years.

Gemma HexLike you were comfortable in the knowing that that would be your like future. And so if that future or that promise is broken or taken away, I understand like like you said like a year of

Gemma Hexhelping you get back on your feet if like they were literally the only one paying the bills. if they're the breadwinners, all that, I would understand like helping them get back on their feet or helping them get into a

Gemma Hexsafe place or position. But after that, I mean, I feel like it has to be up to the person to create their own future after that. >> I just thought of something too. Okay,

Chloe Romayou don't there was no abuse. You're not claiming any >> no >> abuse in the relationship. You mentioned he left you. Can I ask why? Because if you like say if you like

Kate (Boat)cheated on the dude and then you're collecting >> can I know why you guys why he decided to end it? >> We weren't not we're not a good fit for each other. >> Okay. >> We got married very very young. I didn't

Kate (Boat)know entirely who I was. I didn't know what I wanted. He didn't know what he wanted. Um there was an issue with kids. You know in the beginning he said he wanted kids. Then as it went on it was like nope that's not really happening.

Kate (Boat)He wasn't sure if he wanted kids anymore. So, it just it's one of those things where both of us were young when we got married and um because of the situation, you know, his career moved us

Kate (Boat)around. So, I moved around with him and then when we split up, I pretty much was homeless. Like, we were living in another we were living in Hawaii. I don't have any friends there. I don't have any family there.

Kate (Boat)>> I didn't hardly have anywhere to go. I had to go sleep on a friend's couch. I didn't have a car. I moved with two suitcases and a couple of boxes and that was it. And I pretty much had to figure

Chloe Romaout how to get, you know, how to work on getting my life back together. And so, >> but why has it taken like what's your educational background? Cuz it's been nine years. >> I don't have a whole lot of education.

Kate (Boat)>> Okay. >> And I've had some trouble with finding jobs that I like and I enjoy. And now that I have a job that I like that pays me decent money and stuff like that, I'm working on making it so that I don't

Lindsay Leedon't have to get money from him. >> Well, she said she was 19 when she married him, so it wasn't like she had a whole lot of experience to even like be comfortable after. >> Yeah, I don't hate you. I I think I think the system is flawed, but um

Brian Atlas>> and I can I can agree with you. >> There's nothing wrong with you, but I understand. But what what is the difference I guess between >> let's say you were just dating somebody for this period of time. Do you think that there should be boyfriend or

Kate (Boat)girlfriend alimony? >> If I was dating somebody I would not expect them to pay for everything after having >> been in a marriage and things like that. I wouldn't um give up anything. I've I've

Brian Atlas>> Right. But what so all the actions that occurred in your relationship, you agree they could have happened in just a boyfriend, girlfriend? >> No, because I don't think it's necessarily great to spend years and

Jade Warrickyears living with somebody and having sex with them if you're never going to get married. >> Sorry, can I just interject here? In Washington state, if you're with someone for longer than I think 2 years and you're living with them, it's considered a committed intimate relationship and it

Jade Warrickis actually treated in the >> I think it's seven years. I think it's eight months in Canada. It's actually eight months. >> It used to be seven. >> If you own a house with someone and you

Jade Warricklive with them, technically you can be um given 50% of their assets, >> salary, everything. I'm allowed to say that as a member as a member of the

Brian Atlas>> Are you on the spectrum? So, >> but one sec here. Um >> but again you you'd agree though that it's logically possible that >> somebody could be and you know assuming

Brian Atlasa state where there isn't common law marriage. Somebody could be in this exact same situation where they've just been in a relationship boyfriend girlfriend with somebody. Do you think

Brian Atlasthen that there should be a law passed that makes a boyfriend in a similar situation have to pay a girlfriend for 9 years after they've broken up? >> It does work like that. It's whoever

Brian Atlasmakes most money. >> Well, in common law marriage states, >> it does work with people. >> No, but in California, if I was dating a girl for 5 years and we break up and I was taking care of everything during the

Crystal (Policy)course of the relationship, I break up. >> Goodbye. It's over. M >> well I think marriage is in the context of like a contract. You're actually signing something that goes up higher as far as what's taken seriously.

Brian Atlas>> Compelling argumentation for why men or at least the bread winner >> should not get married. >> Well, I have a question though. Do you do you want a traditional woman? >> Do I do I want a traditional woman? >> Yeah. Like if you're going to be with

Brian Atlassomebody long term, if you were looking at being with somebody for the rest of your life, would that woman be a traditional woman? >> Yeah. I know the argument you're about to make. If you're like, "Well, Brian, you tend to prefer dating younger or not." >> Sure. Okay. Younger traditional women.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, is that right? >> I don't know why I brought I don't know why I brought it to age gap right away. >> I was I was including the age gap argument. I guess that was coming too. Ryan, if you preferred to date a traditional woman, she's going to have

Kate (Boat)an expectation of marriage. >> No, not necessarily that. Just if you is that is that what you would want if you were with somebody long term, would it be a traditional woman? Well, I believe

Brian Atlasbeing traditional to some degree is it's not completely binary. There's spectrum to being traditional or not. >> So, in this case, while I do enjoy a bit

Kate (Boat)more of a traditional dynamic in a relationship, uh I I personally don't want to get married. So, the woman that I'm going to be with >> Even if you're not married though, are you going to be with the person that you would be with long term? Is it more of a traditional woman?

Kate (Boat)>> Do you mean like is she making money or no money? is like would you prefer somebody who stays home, cooks for you, takes care of the house, does all of those things? >> Uh, is that what you >> I would say I would say that would be a

Kate (Boat)a leaning preference towards that. >> So the reason that you have alimony is because in the past there were people who would be married for 20, 30, 40

Kate (Boat)years and the woman has never had a career, has never had a job. She has been a homemaker. >> Yeah. But this isn't the 1960s where any >> but my point is if you want a

Kate (Boat)traditional woman and if you find that traditional woman and you're with her for 15 years and she's doing nothing to further her career and her status at making money. She's not gaining any

Kate (Boat)skills because she's taking care of the house. The only job you can get with house taking care of skills is being a house cleaner. >> That doesn't pay you great. >> Yeah, but hold on. So if you're with her for 15 20 years and then if

Kate (Boat)>> let's use your example 9 years but go ahead >> either way. >> Well also by the way this is a bit of a technical finish. Go ahead. >> If you're with somebody for 15 or 20 years and then they get a divorce.

Kate (Boat)>> There was a lot of women in the past that could not support themselves. They had nothing. They had no job to go get. They hadn't built any of that. I'm not saying it's that way now. But if you

Kate (Boat)want a traditional woman, what you are asking a woman to do is to forgo earn gaining skills that would make her a lot of money in the future. >> Sure. Question for you. Um, are you currently in school right now?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Okay. So, are you pursuing a career where your skills are leveling up or whatever? >> Yes. >> And uh, during the course of your marriage, were you working at all? >> A little bit.

Kate (Boat)>> Oh, you were working. So, you were >> not a lot though. It was here and there >> sometimes. Yeah. But part of it was >> Were you moving around a lot or >> um every few years? >> So I think it's safe to assume the milit

Brian AtlasYeah. I was just going to say I think it's probably safe to assume they have a lot of policies with divorce too. >> Yeah. So let me ask you. So uh right now you're not pursuing like advancement in terms of your education. So, if you and

Brian Atlasme were to get married and we were together for 10 years, uh, I you could just pick right back up where you left off. >> No, >> not necessarily. That's not how it

Kate (Boat)works. >> You clean boats with that job. Yes. But >> go back to cleaning boats. >> It took me a long time to even get a job when I was looking for jobs because I didn't have to being an adult. It's Yes.

Chloe RomaSometimes it takes time to >> Brian, you're not considering something when you have and like not um not saying anything about you again, but age is a factor. As you get older, whether you're

Chloe Romaa man or a woman, the higher your age is, the less likely to get hired. So, I see it's not I hear what you're saying. I'm not saying you're wrong, >> but I'm just saying. Yeah, but is that that's not like leveling up to the career that you're talking about,

Brian Atlasthough? So, it's a double >> award living in today's society on that money. >> Okay. But again, but I think we're diminishing the degree to which yes, there's perhaps lack of career

Brian Atlasadvancement. But I see it as a windfall where women are subsidized for 5, 10, 15, 20 years of your life where you don't have to you don't have any in her

Brian Atlascase, she didn't have expenses. Uh he paid for her stuff. He paid paid for food, rent, everything. So I view that as that's a windfall. M >> sorry, can I ask a really quick

Jade Warrickquestion? You said that you wanted children, he did in the beginning and then he changed his mind. >> Yes. >> I'm sorry. Was that part of the divorce? And do you feel like your payments after the alimony is sort of to make up for

Jade Warricknot having children cuz you gave so much of your life or fertile to him? >> No, it's not. >> That's awful. Um, so is is the alimony that

Gemma Hexhe's giving her now um to make up for kind of dragging her along >> child that was never there. >> You shouldn't be paying for the idea of a child. That's crazy. >> But you know, think about how you know

Gemma Hexwomen do have a time limit for children. >> No, no, we don't. We I mean we kind of logical. It's 100% you have a time limit. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I was just wondering if that was

Gemma Hex>> Some people have more trouble with infert infertility or in making a baby, but a man should not pay for the promise or the idea of a baby. He didn't put one in you. You didn't make one together. That's crazy.

Gemma Hex>> But when they first got together and they got married, he did say he wanted it and then changed his mind. >> And then they both changed as people as they grew and aged together. >> She didn't change her mind. >> Wait. In addition to alimony, was there a community proper property division?

Brian Atlas>> This kid, she can go. >> Hold on. We don't really have a ton of item, you know, we never bought a house or anything. There wasn't really any big financial items to split. >> But in addition to the the ongoing

Brian Atlasmonthly alimony he pays you, was there like a one-time payment that he had to like a >> cuz I I don't know if it's called community property or >> and that would include like funds or

Kate (Boat)whatever earned during the course >> usually if if both people have paid into something. So that usually has to do with like a house or a car that both people have paid into. >> Then when you split up, whoever's keeping that thing has to pay out the other person.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, pull it up, Nick. Just we had I I wanted to look into this. Scroll down >> asset or anything like that. >> Interesting. >> Scroll down. Keep going. Keep going. All right. Wait, wait, wait,

Brian Atlaswait, wait. Back up. >> Okay. Uh, just scroll up a little bit more. Uh, summary of maintenance norms. practitioners often say judges award al alimony for a time period equal to about

Brian Atlas25% of the marriage's length. This is this is in for Washington state. Perhaps the best one sentence summary blah blah blah uh short marriage uh 0 to 5 or 03 years of marriage maintenance of enough

Brian Atlasto help meet the lesser earning spouse's basic everyday needs for a few months while he or she gets back on his or her feet financially. uh mid-length marriage. So 5 to 25 or 3

Brian Atlasto 20 years of a marriage maintenance to the lesser earning spouse for for 20 to 33% of the length of the marriage. The initial monthly amount might be enough to equal wait 20 to 33. So he should

Brian Atlashave only been paying alimony for >> like a year and three years. >> 20 to 30% of what he earns for the length of the marriage. >> 33% of the length of the marriage. So he should have been So if it was a 10-year marriage, it would have been like three

Brian Atlasyears. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Two to three years. >> Uh the initial monthly amount might not Okay. And then long-term marriage maintenance of enough to equalize the part party's economic positions for many

Chloe Romayears if not for life. But al although I assume the judges have some discretion as to whatever. >> Can I ask you a question? >> And you may not like it and I don't mean it in a like a rude way whatsoever. A

Chloe Romalot of people know this about me, but some of them don't. I actually pay child support myself. I have 50/50 custody of my kids. >> Great mom. But for some reason, I pay 3,000 a month.

Chloe Roma>> So, I feel particularly bitter about that because he has full capability to work. I I have my kids 50% of the time, but I feel like in his situation, if you give somebody a fish every single day

Chloe Romaand they don't have to teach themselves how to catch one, they're just going to keep taking your fish. Mhm. >> Do you feel like >> no disrespect, but do you feel like that might be a part of the situation here where you're just like, well, the

Chloe Romagovernment's saying I can get it, so I'm just going to take it. Cuz even by your own admission, you say it's not very much. So I when you say that, I don't know. I think maybe like 80 to 100 bucks a month. Am I >> um It's a little bit more than that, but

Kate (Boat)it's not a ton. It's, you know, >> so if it's not necessarily making an impact or a difference, >> why continue to take it? I'm still working on getting my financial stuff

Kate (Boat)sorted out with like how I'm going to pay for insurance and different things like that. I live in a very very very expensive area. >> So, how long have you guys been divorced again? >> I don't remember the exact date.

Brian Atlas>> Like how many years? >> Probably five or six. >> Girl, you've had five or six years. >> No, but they've been separated. They've been separated for years. >> They relate to your situation.

Gemma HexObviously, I wasn't married and I didn't have kids, but I did spend around 10 years being around the same person and six years of it thinking that we were going to get married and start a family. We owned a business together. We

Gemma Hextraveled and ran our business together. We lived in a home together. We had a dog. All this stuff. But when we broke up, we broke up. We we split our stuff and

Gemma Hexsplit whatever we had of the business. decided to just um kind of get rid of the business and run our separate own things. >> But I gave up a lot. But the entire time, sorry, the entire time we were

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