MELTDOWN?! Heated Debate w/ Feminist! Men Must WORSHIP Women?! She IS The Table?! | Dating Talk #225

Date: 2025-02-03

Duration: 7h 25m

Guests

Brian Atlas

NNatasha Alandy Shaw >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Davia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Jill(guest)

SPEAKER_04Trinidad / BNA(guest)

SPEAKER_05Melena(guest)

SPEAKER_06Natasha(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Jake(guest)

SPEAKER_14Callie(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteNatasha introduces herself: personal trainer, LA Clippers girl, triple major

“my name is Natasha alandy Shaw I'm 30 from woodier in Los Angeles California I'm a personal trainer and a LA Clippers girl and I have a Bachelors and classical music uh Child Development and education triple Major”

QuoteBNA (Fifth Dimension Princess) drops a freestyle bar on the show

“I fell in love with you in the metaverse I could hold your Glock on in my fendy purse”

ControversyNatasha refuses to engage with Jake's 50-women job interview hypothetical, says she wouldn't do it

“I personally don't like that strategy at all”

QuoteCallie's quote on the decreasing value of female sexuality in hookup culture

“you know how stock the stock market is just like when something goes too much it loses value the vagina now is just like a frisbee”

ControversyAbortion debate - Natasha clashes with Jake over heartbeat definition and bodily autonomy

“I think that besides the fact that a science as scientists might say that science is so devalued in society now because men make the decision based on their emotion”

QuoteCallie reveals she was forced to have an abortion 10 years ago which broke her mentally and led to shaving her head

“I was forced to have an abortion and ruined my life like mentally emotionally I shave my head now people think I'm a lesbian”

ControversyBrian accuses Natasha of stonewalling after he 'checkmated' her on the World War II/slavery argument

“you knew I checkmated you and then you created this boundary to try to be evasive and not admit what I was talking about”

QuoteBrian rates himself 5/10 on looks, citing potential baldness, weight, dandruff, big nose

“I'm losing a little bit right here lot of stress it happens you know losing it I could lose like 30 40 pounds big nose pale dandruff”

QuoteCallie accuses Jake of being gay because he keeps defending men and praising them

“Why are you guys so into men are you gay like you're like men are the fucking”

QuoteJill reveals her father was physically violent with her as a baby, leading to police report and prosecution

“there was prosecution okay”

ControversyCallie meltdown - women are superior, they give life, she says men cannot love unconditionally

“women will always be superior women will always in which way we give you life if it wasn't for us you would be talking”

QuoteCallie jokingly claims body count of 655, says Dominicans go hard since age 14

“655 I'm Dominican we get around since we're like 14 we go hard we go hard on the paint”

ControversyMan or Bear: Callie picks man but argues 50% of men would assault, Brian compares to racial profiling

“I chose some man because even if he tries to like saay me or kill me I think I can take him over a bear”

QuoteBrian argues gender wage gap is explained entirely by female mating pressure on men to be providers

“my argument is the wage Gap is explained by the fact that women put a social and mating pressure a mating pressure on men that doesn't exist on you”

ControversyCallie demands to leave, claims 8 hours of abuse and woman-bashing on the show

“I just want to drive two hours to my home for eight hours you've talked about how bad women are”

QuoteCallie bows to Brian on camera after he says he wants women to bow to him (showing dominance)

“equality don't you love it you feel you feel good”

ControversyFinal escalation: Callie says she'd rather die alone than be with a man like Brian, says show is man-hating

“after this podcast I want to die alone like that was my biggest fear but now I want to make millions of dollars and just get a doll”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian introduces all 7 female guests and Jake. Each states name, age, location, occupation, and education. Includes Trinidad playing her music video 'Running Up Racks'.

Relationship Status & Dating History

Round-robin on relationship status, longest relationships, who initiated breakups. Includes discussion of Jill's marriage/divorce, Natasha's never having a relationship, Trinidad's international roster, Callie's marriage and engagement.

Jake's Job Interview Hypothetical

Jake poses a hypothetical: if 50 other women compete for the perfect man, how would you sell yourself? Discussion reveals most women wouldn't engage with the premise. Davia claims to be a dominant woman. Discussion of Mufasa as benevolent leadership archetype.

React: Ghosting & Long Text After 2 Dates

Panel reacts to TikTok of woman being ghosted after 2 dates and getting a long message. Discussion of ghosting etiquette, women sharing intimate details about hookups with friends, men vs women handling relationship conflicts (reputation destruction vs physical).

Deadbeat Dads & Child Support

Discussion of deadbeat dads, child support enforcement, welfare system incentives for single motherhood. Brian draws parallels to abortion choices. Multiple panelists have personal experience with absent fathers. Natasha reveals her father was prosecuted for domestic violence.

Abortion Debate

Extended heated debate on abortion rights. Natasha argues pro-choice with heartbeat caveat. Jake argues life begins at conception per biology. Brian explores legal paternal surrender. Discussion of rape exceptions, bodily autonomy, when does life begin.

Self-Ratings Round (1-10 looks)

Stiffler from chat requests ratings. Natasha=8, Trinidad=10, BNA=11, Callie=11 (naked)/6 (clothed), Jill=6, Melena=5 (then said 8), Davia=10. Brian rated himself 5/10. Brian then asks panelists to rate him: Natasha=6, Jill=5, Trinidad=7, Davia=6, Melena=5, Callie=9 (total), Jake=N/A.

Dating Apps & Hypergamy

React to TikTok women complaining about men who match them on Hinge being 'below their league'. Discussion of women's inflated self-perception on dating apps, hypergamy, alpha widow effect, women dating above their league for sex but unable to lock down commitment.

What Men Bring to the Table / Women ARE the Table

Extended debate on Natasha's position that women don't need to bring anything to the table beyond their presence. Brian challenges this. Jake argues women should demonstrate wife qualities. Discussion of what high-value men actually want.

Traditional Relationships vs Feminism

Jill's conservative Christian pre-show notes discussed: dating to marry, submission, unconditional love, marriage. Jake argues marriage is obsolete from secular perspective. Brian's anti-marriage positions challenged by Jill.

Pegging Story / Callie's Trauma

Callie shares traumatic story of walking in on a man she was dating getting pegged by another woman. Revelation about forced abortion 10 years ago that caused mental breakdown. Shaved head as result. Discussion of pegging culture in LA.

Body Count, Promiscuity & Virginity

Discussion of female body count as disqualifying factor for marriage-minded men. Jake: any one-night stands = auto disqualification. BNA/Melena reveal double-digit body counts mostly from younger years. Brian explains min-maxing approach to redemption. Callie claims 655 then backtracks.

50/50 Relationships & First Date Paying

Discussion of who should pay on first date (unanimous: the man), 50/50 relationships (mixed views), and gender wage gap as explained by female mating pressure on men.

Men's Types & Ideal Partners

Round-robin on each guest's ideal partner type (looks and values). Natasha likes big athletic foreign men (Aussies/Kiwis). Trinidad likes tall dark handsome athletes. Callie wants dominant non-intimidated man. Jill wants average conservative Christian man. Davia wants Asian men. Jake wants Christian submissive woman. Brian likes petite women, natural.

Minimum Income & Height Requirements

Brian asks minimum yearly income requirement for future husband: Natasha=$150k, Trinidad='equal or more', Callie=$200k (wants man who makes less than her), Jill=$70-80k, Melena=$80k, Davia=$80k. Height minimums discussed. Brian confirms he prefers short women.

Man or Bear in the Forest

Classic 'man or bear' question. Natasha picks bear (50% of men would assault), Callie picks bear, others mostly pick man. Heated debate about men's nature, assault statistics, and whether the fear is rational. Brian draws racism parallel with race-based fear.

Women's Oppression & Equal Rights Debate

Statement: 'women have equal rights to men in USA' - Natasha disagrees. Discussion of wage gap, presidency, abortion as oppression. Brian counters with Selective Service, circumcision, incarceration disparities, child support as male oppression. Includes voting rights history infographic presentation.

Gender Wage Gap Debate

Extended debate: Brian argues wage gap is explained by female mating pressure on men (women want men who earn, this motivates men to earn more). Natasha partially concedes. Discussion of who should pay on first dates and the contradiction of complaining about wage gap while expecting men to be providers.

Roast Session / Closing

Chat roast session with $20 TTS. Panelists take off makeup with wipes. Callie gets most heated, claims 8 hours of woman-bashing. Final thoughts, outro, raid to Peekaboo IRL on Twitch.

Transcript

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Natashaunder the bus do you think my surprised though you I think it's just just like a I think you guys have a very different view of how safe a woman feels around men than how women feel around men yeah I don't really feel too safe around Bears though that's a thing and I think

Jakeit's just total [ __ ] like if you were in the forest and then you saw the two and you saw some hungry bear grizzly bear and the [ __ ] that that bear could do to you and then you saw Gavin and you're like who do I want to be trapped in this forest with you're taking Gavin

Brian Atlasyou're not taking the bear but you can say you'll take the bear that's fine do you have that Meme Damian I really stand by my answer yeah it's just I'd rather die I mean the the statistics don't reflect

Brian Atlasthat this is the actual risk that a woman has though I mean even the greatly skewed numbers from some of these organizations like the one and

Brian Atlasfour that would put it at 25% right but if you look at like actual crime statistics FBI doj doj the actual like incidence rate of this is like fairly

Natashalow the girls at the table have you ever felt felt unsafe with a man to the point where you're you felt your safety was jeopardized how you feel how you feel doesn't mean that the guy's going to

Natashaessay you like I get you can feel feel how how safe you would feel in a forest unsupervised with a man that is also a feeling but just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean that that thing

Brian Atlasthat you fear is going to happen the bear might also not bother you I agree it might not the man could be totally benevolent and if you're lost in the

Brian Atlasforest more what do you think is more likely if you're lost in the forest do you think a man's going to be benevolent like you go up to him and ask him for help do you think he's just going to start essaying you or do you think he's

Natashagoing to help you like what's more likely I don't trust a random man in a forest that is my stance I mean like have you guys ever felt unsafe with a man to the point of your safety feel feeling jeopardized at least once in

Trinidad / BNAyour life I don't disagree I bet every single woman here has felt unsafe around a man I don't dispute that at all can I say something go ahead okay so sometimes um

Jakethey make you feel safe before they you so it's like um that part the funny part is that actually Men actually have such such a strong inclination to protect a random woman than they do to essay them

Jakeso all of these like you can make a face about it if you want um but uh I was in Columbia a few weeks ago and I was at a random gym in the in like an outdoor gym in Medan and we saw this guy sprinting

Jakeand this lady running behind him like yelping because he' just s stolen something from her and literally there was 30 men around who' literally clicked into gear and chased this dude around captured him it's all on my Instagram

Jakestory I filmed it by the way and um they they they got him and they got the girls thing back and they were walking the girl back back to the gym and back home like that is the natural inclination that men have and I'm sorry that you

Jakehave this like horrible view of men but it's just it's just simply not true no this is like what you said is like a horrendous view of men you would rather be dropped in the forest with a bear

Jakewild and you think that 50% of men are likely to do that to you you just don't understand men clearly but like most most men would just just because I don't agree with your opinion doesn't make it wrong I'm saying that you're wrong

Jakethat's my opinion so you you just don't really understand what the hyperfocus there are other people who agree why do you get so like so like snarky about everything we're just having a conversation why can't you just have a conversation it's always going to be

Jakelike making a face or it's going to be like lab in your answers and stuff like you it's just annoying anyway well like well if you're Bing me Conant I'm not Bering you we're having a conversation like it's like you've never heard like a

Natashacontrary opinion in your life at not at all there were several contrary opinions that we didn't agree on that I said oh I see your viewpoint but when you're being yeah but like it's been constant all night I'm telling you from my perspective having having talked to you

Brian Atlasall night it's like constant faces laboring hold on hold on davia so you asked a question you asked why are we kind of focusing on you Melena did pick bear you're 100% % right she picked bear

Brian Atlasshe said what 20 to 30% uh typically when you're having like a disagreement with somebody you're going to tend to like want to have that disagreement with the person who takes a

Brian Atlasmore Hardline position in this case you said 50% it seems like you have a bit more of a Hardline like a you have a stronger position on this than Melena and also melena's also been not on

Brian Atlasmelena's been on the show before and we've already kind of had like the debate with her so like that's kind of why it's been a bit more focused on you specifically related to the bear question so I mean that's an explanation

Brian Atlasit's your answer but look I don't really want to linger on the be thing for too long just um how about this clarify a couple clarifying things um if it was 10

Natashamen versus 10 Bears does that change anything yes yeah like would you prefer the 10 men then yeah because I think when there are people with each other

Natashayou have more of a responsibility to act accordingly to so social standards I think when men are alone sometimes that's where the problem men and if

Natashathey're 50% disposed to essaying you and 50% not how do you know that 50% of the m is going to overrule the rest of the guys I still don't think that they're going to take the chance to do something that's inappropriate when there's other

NatashaWitnesses whereas somebody alone so you trust the the benevolence of the I trust the group okay like there's a distribution of responsibility um oh do do you want kids yeah do you know how

Brian Atlasmany kids you want preferably three three kids if you have three sons MH you're prepared to take the position that one or even two of them are essers I didn't say it's all men some

Natashamen are great no but you said 50% it doesn't have to include my family well statistically it would have to include your family so you there's also thousands of

Brian Atlaspeople in the United States that would factor into that so well yeah but I mean if we're looking statistically at 50% like do you want me to say 40 does that make you feel better like okay so one of

Trinidad / BNAthem one and a quarter I I mean that's just my stance I don't I think when men are alone they do things that are not appropriate I know that sure that's a lot of times relatives together too I

Brian Atlaswas say relatives do essay I said a lot of times relatives do essay people so you do have to fact I just want to be clear when you're raising if you have three sons when you're raising your three sons you're going to be raising

Natashathem and think of them as like future Grapist like that's your view of your sons no because I know the the things that I'm instilling in them that doesn't go for the entire general population they didn't have the same upbringing

Brian Atlasthey don't have the same family values that's totally different everybody has a different experience so you'll be the statistical outlier then when it comes to your okay all right if

Brian Atlasthat's your position um here how about what about uh the H wait if we change this question to uh uh instead of uh it being a

Brian Atlasman like do you think that your position is sexist no no it's not if we were to change it to instead of a man or a bear

Brian Atlasit's a black person or a bear and the person picks bear the person picks bear are they racist no you're saying as like a follow-up or like just in general that's

Brian Atlasthe first question yeah so if we change the question to just be would you rather cross paths with a black person or a bear in the forest and they pick bear

Trinidad / BNAinstead of black person would that be racist no depends dep I think it would be racist I'm not going to lie if a white person said it it's racist is

Jakethere 50% chance it would be a woman yeah no let's say let's say a black man so if it was a black man or a bear what would you choose it's still a man a black man is

Trinidad / BNAstill a man so you think she's racist no because like she just said before I don't know if y'all heard it but she said like if it was a black woman there then she would still feel safe so I think it's more of a sexist thing not a

Brian Atlasracism thing how about how about um if a man a white man picks the bear yeah that's racist oh wait hold on wait hold on unless

Brian Atlasunless you said like what she just said so here here's the scenario you've had bad experiences with men 100% believe it I'm sure most of you women here have had bad experiences maybe awful terrible

Brian Atlasexperiences let's say though a white person has ter has had one two and three terrible experiences with a or multiple

Brian Atlasblack people and then they see on the news reports about these crimes that uh black people I'm not saying this is the case but just this is the hypothetical scenario that these black people are

Brian Atlascommitting um they're part of online groups they have the Tik Tok algorithm which they watch all these videos on Tik Tok and the algorithm keeps feeding them

Brian Atlasstories about black uh black onwhite crime because of their safety concerns they're scared of black people they believe all black people have the

Brian Atlaspotential or capacity for violence or assault of some kind would this person be racist um I think to the point that

Brian Atlasinstead of coming across a black person in the woods they come across a giant wild animal well I think honestly um they're

Trinidad / BNAbeing fed a certain image of black people or if they had the experience like how you said they went like one right after the other after the other and they had bad experience two let's say two or three like experiences I mean

Brian Atlasthat's their personal experience are they racist though um if they think that every black person is going to be like that just because they're black let's say 50 they think 50% of black people if

Trinidad / BNAthey're saying like 50 I think 50% of black people might act like this because their experience is this and it's not I don't think it's racist I think I think they're looking at it like as a experience like a personal view they're

Trinidad / BNAnot saying that like for instance if they met um her and then they met me and they're like oh both you guys are you know black girls or whatever so how she acts might not be like how I act or vice

Brian Atlasversa people are individuals yeah yeah so it's like okay so it's not racist is it do you think that would be racist the scenario provided I me personally I think that would be racist because the

Melenaultimate minority is the individual okay that's going to fall on deaf ears never mind um I agree about what that it's racist and I think my opinion is sexist but I can say that

Trinidad / BNAwith my test that's what I said when he gave it the example of like just based off the person being black that you're scared then okay about this that's racist let me like would you if you guys

Brian Atlascould like would you pref would you pref prer to be like uh on the subway like just with other women at night like as opposed to other men yeah yeah so then

Brian Atlasbecause of a white person's bad experiences with black people they would prefer to just have like a white segregated Subway would you guys how is that not racist no that you didn't say

Trinidad / BNAit like that that you said you said that if they were in a forest by themselves like they're alone by themselves and they're actually genuinely like deathly scared of this black person like oh this black person if I'm here with them they're gonna kill me like they do on

Trinidad / BNAthe news and stuff like they're genuinely scared of them the same way somebody is scared of the bear that's different but they're like oh because you're black I don't want to be in this thing with you because you're just a different skin code that's being racist

Brian Atlaslike it you never came across nobody black that did anything wrong final question on this uh a white person wants to live in a white only dormatory in

Trinidad / BNAcollege is that racist yeah I think having the dorat yeah I was going to say I don't think it's the white person wanting to be there because that's common it's it's the fact that

Trinidad / BNAyou have a dormatory just for white people that's where it's segregation like you got hbcus here as but white people could go to HBCU people can it's technically a

Trinidad / BNAform of sort of segregation though isn't it get black only no it's not a form of segregation because everyone is welcome if you apply to go there the only difference is it's it's emphasizing on

Jakeblack Excellence think would it be racist to have a white historically white University where go there how do you think how do you think that mainstream society would see that

Jakeif we had a a historically white University we all historically hold on a second but that's but wait wait till I finish my sentence wait till I finish my sentence and then we can you can jump you can Jump Right In you can jump right

Jakein so if it's a historically white University and they were celebrating white Excellence what what do you think that the society would think that that's a good thing that's not what Princeton

Trinidad / BNAand Harvard and those Ivy League schools do no that is what they do hard for minorities just one sec

Unknownspeaking for all men yo big scenario I know for a fact most all men would find a higher call to duty to get the woman out of the woods in this scenario no man

Calliewould think of essing you well let's be let's be fair there's glad that that's the men you surround yourself I mean it's been like 10 years ago men started asking for consent just

Calliebecause of the me too movement before that it was like bend over come on even in the90s do you want the guy to ask you for consent today yes I would like to always be asked for consent yeah of

Calliecourse what do you want him to say can I touch you here can I touch you here not like that but it's the same with you would you like well maybe you would to a woman to come and like tou you all over but if you're but if you're in a

Jakesituation where you're romantically involved with someone no woman wants that no woman wants some like dude to start saying can I do this can I do this they want they want you to take she said

Callieshe was like she hit the dude up to come and [ __ ] her yeah is that not consent that is consent but what I mean is men haven't really taken in consideration

Calliewom women's anything like the whole bear thing that's where where it's coming from it's like oh we rather because it's been so horrible it's not because you guys have been so nice to us from from for like millions of years it's been

Jakelike pretty bad we've been nice to you guys for millions of years you have is that why they passed that law where they can marry 9-year-old girls in Iraq now we're not we're not talking about those countries that's a different culture that's a totally that's a different

Brian Atlasculture we could have a different conversation so American men never like essayed anybody or graped anyone and they didn't even get like crime denialist here yes yes

Brian Atlasthis crime is an awful crime it should be punished to the fullest extent of the law and there would be some dudes who would see you in that forest and and want to you know but I think much much smaller percentage so what what's the

Brian Atlaspercentage for you guys like 20% no not even close I think it would be much much less than I would go off of whatever like the FBI and the doj statistics are like the incidence rate right that's

Brian Atlaswhat I would go off of I don't have it in front of me but it's it's not 50% it's not 20% it's not 30% but put it this way if I had a little sister I wouldn't advise her to go walking in the

Brian Atlaswoods alone right in case we we do have to move it on to the next thing we're going to go to we're not going to hit all of these just for the sake of time

Brian Atlasbut uh starting okay Natasha you said you so here's the statement and then you're disagreeing with the statement women have equal rights to men in the

Brian AtlasUnited States Natasha Trinidad beon uh beon you disagree uh C you disagree

Brian Atlasand then I think that's it um why don't we here why don't we start with c and we work our way down to Natasha just for a little change of pace uh why do you

Calliedisagree the women so the statement is women have equal rights to men in the USA you disagree honestly it doesn't feel like it and I know this is unevolved like the

Calliemost evolved country I guess where women have it you know they're independent and they're making as much money or maybe more money than men but it's such a uphill battle like every time I and it's hard for me to explain it because

Callieanything I say is going to sound like complaining to you guys or oh poor little whatever but it's truly perfect example you know I I write comedy I'm a writer and I am always

Calliearound guys and to this day there's always I always have to prove myself even though that's how I make money that's how I make a living for years now I always have to be like oh yeah comedy oh you're funny like you have to be like

Brian Atlasthat's cuz women aren't funny though well but I've be making more money than you with comedy so please well you don't know how much money I make BR men have to prove themselves too whenever you're in sort of some sort of creative Endeavor it's not you think like men

Callieit's just handed to them on the silver PL it's not handed but there's the [ __ ] the handshakes and the golf course City the the don't play the Frat

JakeHouse the the rich ones do tell us a good joke no [ __ ] you make it funny tell us a good joke you're a comedian you going to pay me you're a comedian tell us a f joke so your women aren't F I told you you're a man can you do

Brian Atlassomething okay so you're you've faced you've faced difficulties in your com comedy career but the so the statement is women have equal rights to men in the United States is there anything else

Calliethat you why do you disagree besides that the comedy stuff also because when a woman gives birth she's expected to be back at work in like six weeks or what is it six three months or something and

Calliethe guy is um this is not going to be a good because provide for his family or something the what the guy has to provide for his family of course but then we're wrecked with the is giving

Brian Atlasbirth to you means nothing you think a robot could do just just or maybe a man you can hire a man to do it just to move things along here a little bit I'm not sure this is the most compelling argument just because women have get

Brian Atlasmore maternity Le excuse me maternity leave then men get paternity leave so I don't think this is really a compelling argument when it comes to equal right it doesn't feel equal even to the dollar we don't make the the same amount okay

Trinidad / BNAthat's the wage Gap that's another thing but sure anything else um that's it okay go ahead yeah I wanted to mention that a woman has never been president in the United States and then

Trinidad / BNAmost of the CEOs are men so I just think that it's not really an even playing field in that sense but so this we can

Brian Atlasengage with those but it's about equal rights so a woman has an equal right to try to become the president right sure there's nothing there's no law that says women can't be president right right

Trinidad / BNAokay and there's no law that prevents women from being CEOs in fact there are women CEOs Yahoo Etc right but I just think Twitter has a female CEO okay so I take it back I think we do have the same

Trinidad / BNAamount of Rights same amount of Rights okay what about you um I was thinking more so like how she was saying not like like CEOs or

Trinidad / BNApresident or anything like that but just like as in the right and like how I guess you touched on it like equal pay things like that but also like to kind of piggyback off with what she was saying um about like her comedy career

Trinidad / BNAthings like that like how you asked me earlier like hey in the music industry you might get people who be like hey I'll sleep you know like things like that we don't like it is harder and I think more so what she was saying kind

Trinidad / BNAof again to piggy back off the um working harder for the respect in the room it's like when it's aale dominant field it's different for women involved who's the highest earning musical artist

Trinidad / BNAin 2024 I don't know Taylor Swift okay I mean what barriers do you have when it comes to I mean also sh if you're going to use Taylor Swift as an example what about all the issues she had with her management and the money that they were

Trinidad / BNAtaking from her and things like that and it's a whole guy who did that and literally manipulated a lot of people took money from a lot of people stole from a lot of people you know it's like poor poor Taylor Swift with her billions of dollars

Brian Atlasshe I know what I'm actually very familiar with you're talking about scooter braa bought the master recordings to her back catalog um there was nothing illegal done he legally

Brian Atlasbought them her dad was like on the uh Board of Directors for the recording company he signed off on it she knew what was happening she could have bought them herself or there could have been

Trinidad / BNAsteps taken if she really didn't want him to buy it but he there he didn't steal it there was a cont cont I mean he didn't do anything I don't really pay obviously I don't know Taylor Swift like that because I didn't

Brian Atlaseven know she was the high now what she ended up doing though uh she ended up just making up like a whole bunch of bogus claims about the whole scenario and pretty much ended up which ended up

Brian Atlasresulting in scooter braa getting death threats being harassed she's got like very vicious fans and she totally like painted this picture that wasn't at all charitable to his position so I mean

Brian Atlaswho's the worst in that position he legally bought her Masters if she didn't want that to happen she could have prevented it the record company who her dad's part of signed off on the deal but listen you just said like her dad the

Brian Atlasrecord company most people at the record companies are men to it's like I mean Michael Jackson bought the Masters for the Beatles I mean look this is just something that happens in the recording industry killed when he tried to buy his

Jakemasters from them so I don't know what the deal is with that but a lot of these industries though men are just going to be better at a lot of these sorts of things so there's going to be a gap

Jakenaturally like even with entertainment for example women are only especially when it comes to singers for example if they're not relying on their sexuality then there's really not much of an Avenue for them there's not there's not that many women who are just purely

Jakecreative I want to debate you on this J let's do it I mean Taylor Swift I don't think she's res relying on her sexuality all she she is she is an an outlier when

Jakeit comes to generally speaking women tend to rely on their sexuality whereas I think men just have a broader spectrum of things that they can rely on in terms of like you've got some like gross ugly

Trinidad / BNAdudes who are like pitpull who's a successful recording artist no and I agree s it like Cuts you off and stuff but I agree with what you're saying but I feel like that aspect comes from a lot of the women having to sleep with people

Trinidad / BNAin their career CU they feel like they have to or else they're not going to make it somewhere and they're rather going to do something for someone they're sleeping with than someone who told them no so here just just to I guess get to the bottom of this um is

Brian Atlaslike the casting couch in the entertainment industry music industry is that bad yeah absolutely uh is there a lot of shady stuff going on absolutely but like it's not clear to me because

Brian Atlasthe statement is uh women have equal rights to the men in the United States you disagree um oh casting couch is like it it yeah

Brian Atlasthe casting couch is kind of this idea of like like um a guy a man who's like a producer in Hollywood he'll give a woman a role if she sleeps with him what jav

Brian Atlasonstein did basically yeah and so this is absolutely a phenomenon in the in the music industry in the entertainment industry uh is it is it bad is it

Trinidad / BNAinappropriate absolutely but I don't know if it's evidence of a discrepancy when it comes to rights between men and women after listening to them and like what you were saying and stuff I was like I kind of was just

Jakepiggybacking off with that but now that you made that clear and like the Equal Pay and that's a whole different to show that that they still have to leverage their sexuality all of the women who progress up through the through the hierarchy it's harder especially when you don't like for instance you asked me

Jakehow many times I said like coochie in my song I said never because that's not the image that I'm portraying but it happens in in a lot of Industries and even with with comedy for example whenever you see women who are aspiring comedians often

Jaketimes they'll walk out and they'll try and act like a man you know they'll say you know something about like something something like vulgar I saw one the other day where she just started burping into the microphone it's very hard for women to capture a feminine Essence

Natashawhilst being funny yeah Natasha women have equal rights to men in the USA you disagree why is that I was going to agree I don't think I agree with the wording of that I think uh treatment is different there's discrepancy in

Brian Atlastreatment and in wage but in actual legal rights in the US I do think it's equal okay yeah all right I mean I mean I can't argue with you on the original statement then if you think

Brian Atlasthat there are so that is your position though you think there are 100% equal rights between men and women okay uh moving on to the next one then perhaps this is more uh related the

Brian Atlasstatement is women are not oppressed in the USA you disagree you disagree you disagree and then C you did not disagree so you three disagree uh how so your position is

Natashawomen are oppressed in the United States is that your position your position uh how I think even having conversations about what a woman can do with their body is oppressing a woman because that

Natashapressing woman okay in a majority of politics a lot of politicians are men so it's men making that decision for her but the people who elect the politicians are women right but that's still oppression here before we I guess before

Trinidad / BNAwe get into the weeds of it is there anything else other examples of how women are oppressed just just the abortion thing okay what about you yeah no I kind of age with that and then in I

Trinidad / BNAdon't know how is there anything else besides the like abortion stuff though well yeah there's other things but like like what well I was trying to think of it but then you keep asking they like cutting me off and then now I'm thinking think about it we'll come back to you so

Trinidad / BNAI guess I can go back to like the president thing here and I do think they are oppressed in that form because they haven't had like representation to look up to and aspire to sure well I mean it

Trinidad / BNAit hasn't happened yet but it's not clear if it's op just because something hasn't happened it's not clear if that's oppression but it is oppression because if they weren't oppressed they would

Trinidad / BNAhave gotten there by now we've had how many presidents already so well let me ask you a question um are

Trinidad / BNAuh there hasn't been an Atheist who's become president are atheists oppressed sure because we live in a predominantly Christian Society so

Trinidad / BNAI think um atheists you know they're not going to be treated as U equally as Christians are in a p predominantly Christian

Brian AtlasSociety okay um it's I I when I think of Oppression I think of like really unfair like unfair unjust treatment women can

Brian Atlasbecome president correct so just because a woman hasn't yet I mean you had a woman vice president uh Cala Harris was the nominee for the Democratic

Jakeparty she could have become president if it's put down to a vote you know if it's put down to a vote and people vote on it and they decide not to have the woman president don't you think that's equal they had the opportunity but they don't

Calliewant to listen to Kamala Harris's stupid voice for like four years that that's fair but Trump's voice is better yes much better he's got he's got I knew it I knew it from the beginning this was a

Callietrump freaking part yeah of course I mean of course of deportation and plane crashes and oh let's make American white again did Trump CR let's put black people back those

Brian Atlasanimals that's what you believe in hold on nobody on the podcast said any of that stuff I don't know what you're talking about that's what Trump said not you guys when did when did Trump say that we should he s it's been two weeks he's sending all kinds of people back

Callieand you mean illegal immigrants that illegally came into the country the animals black people just when did he say when did he say the black mexic you just say things and you don't really know what you're talking about I know what I'm talking about you're a Trumper

Brian Atlasthat's all I need to know well you you got that part he doesn't count okay you can't vote I can't I can't vote but one day I will be able to vote okay um voting for the next Trum look we could probably

Trinidad / BNAtalk about Trump all night I want to stick it to the uh so okay I do have one yeah a woman hasn't become president okay so another way a woman was appressed was in like medical studies a

Trinidad / BNAlot of uh doctors in the past have done experiments on women's bodies um for example for sterilization um and that happened here so I think that's supressive I mean this

Jakehappened to wasn't it like the there's lots of it's not gender specific though you've got MK Ultra which was a project run by the government that um that did all sorts of experiments on people and what's there

Brian Atlasthere's another one where they gave black people syphilis and that is racist and it is also oppressive to black people yeah um

Brian Atlaswait so okay there's a couple things there um so there was like the abortion thing uh I don't know we already talked about like the abortion stuff I don't know if it's really worth going back to

Brian Atlasit I don't know if that's evidence like the that's evidence terization is not evidence of women being oppressed I mean you're involuntary here

Trinidad / BNAlet's investigate a little bit how many women were uh sterilized I don't have the stats okay do you think were men were men also sterilized no um in Puerto Rico I know that when America first

Trinidad / BNAbought it they sterilized the women there because they wanted to have less uh they wanted to have less percentage of the Tho bloodline and the African descent so they did sterilize women there and it was like a huge majority of

Brian Atlasthem they didn't do it to the men though yeah I I'll just go ahead and Grant the argument that if there were specific like those specific women were like they were scientifically experimented on and

Brian Atlasit was like unethical they're sterilized yeah I think that that I don't know if it meets the definition of I'll just go ahead and say it's oppression uh but it's a like it's a

Brian Atlasvery specific group and we're talking about like we can find we can find like massive amounts of evidence of like tons of men being treated unfairly does that mean that men in general are oppressed

Brian Atlasin the United States I see what you're saying and I think you're right okay so do you think men are oppressed too sure some men are oppressed so everyone minority moon for sure what about um the

Brian Atlasfact that all men have to register for the Selective Service and potentially be subject to forced military conscription all men have this burden it seems to me like that would

Brian Atlasmean that all men are oppressed in the United States but wouldn't you want to fight for your country isn't that an honor what if you don't what if a man doesn't want to not necessarily yeah yeah wait how would you

Brian Atlasfeel if there was a draft that forced women to have to have children would you be fine with it sure it was for if there was a need if there was a need you'd be totally okay with it I'm okay with

Brian Atlaspopping out a kid five the Govern I mean you can you can have consensual sex but you would like you would I guess would it if it was the love of my life yeah it's with a guy you're dating and

Trinidad / BNAthey're like you need to have a baby today I mean if if it's if the world population depended on me having a baby I would have baby like I would I want already want one so but you'd be okay

Brian Atlaswith a government passing a law that says you and other women who maybe don't feel the same way as you they have to have kids too okay I guess the government shouldn't really be saying what women should do with their bodies they're already doing that by saying no

Callieto abortion they're like you have to have the kid in Texas down to the there's individual states and abortion is killing another human being so it's not it's not your body it's yeah but then when we have the kid you bounce and you don't help us you're like no child

Brian Atlassupport is the devil actually most most guys don't most guys just look after their families and are pretty good guys that's nice it is nice it's um it is nice I mean you could just I mean there's definitely like three bodly

Brian Atlasautonomy arguments you can make that impact men more so than even abortion I mean you have Force military conscription you have circumcision upon birth and then you have um well I mean perhaps it's even four because of

Brian Atlasdiscrepancies when it comes to criminal penalties but men are much more likely to be sent to jail versus women for the same crime this sort of thing but then you have also so uh when it comes to child support again we established 90%

Brian Atlasof child support payment goes goes from men to women so the government's prepared to take away men's body autonomy by throwing them into jail if they don't pay child support which mind you we've totally

Brian Atlasdone away with debtor prisons like if you have a debt to a company M no matter you don't if you don't pay the debt or you have student loans if you don't pay them there's no scenario where you can

Brian Atlasever be sent to prison for financial debt the only financial debt that you can ever be sent to prison or jail for is uh failed failure to pay child support we realize that deor debtor's

Brian Atlasprison is unethical except it's okay to do to men which I find kind of interesting but so men have like a lot of bodily autonomy

Brian Atlasconcern could be on child support too yes I already granted this hold on um are some men essayed yes yes for sure

Trinidad / BNAbut women are essayed more than men no I wouldn't say necessar um because you would you don't you don't really have a real statistic for men cuz men like as much as women don't report it report as much men don't report it 10 times more

Trinidad / BNAthan that so so it's a problem that's equally spread among men you don't think that that's particularly I feel like I feel like men that are Ade like especially at a younger age because I do have well I mean there's like childhood yeah well because like what I learned

Trinidad / BNAcuz I do have a minor in Psychology for Child Development and I worked in like schools with kids and stuff like that um that does stem like that that puts something on like anyone's mental for like when they grow up so like most of

Brian Atlasthe time like for instance how you're saying one and if she had three sons one and the three would be essayer NE not necessarily unless they were like impacted that way I mean sure maybe the the incident rate I mean maybe if it's

Brian Atlaseven higher for like uh when children are abused it might even be higher like boys or whatever um but I mean like let's say like adults like how about women uh people on college campuses you

Brian Atlasthink it's like 5050 when it comes to essay on college campuses um in terms of men and women yeah like but so if you're saying well like essay towards women is like this really big deal on college

Brian Atlascampuses and I was like well yeah but some men also get essayed I but you would point out like yeah but there's more women who get it doesn't take away the fact that it still

Brian Atlashappens to men sure absolutely I agree with you but I don't know it's just like the child support thing like it's what okay I mean it still happens how about

Brian Atlasthis it's it's bad it's bad when women also get thrown into jail when they don't pay child support it is but yeah but it's it's actually in addition to that just way

Trinidad / BNAless likely to happen do I think even for women because there's a bias in the court system and they're going to be more lenient towards deadbeat moms no but my thing is this too why are we paying our tax dollars on people who don't want to be in their kids life like

Trinidad / BNAthat should be something like you're we pay for people to be in too and stuff we praying for the police to watch them and like I'm really paying for somebody who didn't want to take care of their right I think we should abolish that's done we

Brian Atlasshould abolish like prison sentences for people who don't pay child support yeah do something else for them like sure um did you have anything else on this Natasha the women are not you disagree

Brian Atlaswomen are not oppressed in the USA no oh how about this men are more oppressed than women your thoughts into the mic if you can I don't think men are more oppressed in the United

NatashaStates I think that do you think they're oppressed at all men are oppressed yeah and I also think that they can be sexually assaulted I think that they have less of a propensity to say when

Natashathat happens but I think in terms of a higher number women I do still think get essayed more because a man is able to overpower them usually more physically doesn't mean it doesn't happen I'm more

Natashainterested in the oppression conversation though what was the question if men can also be oppressed yeah age so I think men are more oppressed than women I don't I think that like traditionally and historically

Natashathey have had an easier time they could have public office they could vote they could do all of these things yeah women could do those too not until the last now we can do it now we can in in

Natasharecent times but historically it's been more catered to men so I think in general men are less oppressed I mean you do realize that throughout all of human microphone came out of nowhere

Brian Atlasthroughout all of human history like 99% of men couldn't vote I wouldn't say it's 99% of men it yes there there were where is this stat

Brian Atlasfrom okay here Damen pull up some infographics here uh so if you go Daman pull up the Discord infographics tab so

Brian Atlasyou had Kings monarchs Emperors this sort of thing M Powers was centralized in a very very small amount of hands democracy is a very new thing yeah so in

Brian Atlasthe United States for example the time period where all men could vote and when all women could vote there was a 50-year difference and you might say well but prior to that it was still men voting it might not have been all men but it was

Brian Atlasstill men voting so you could say that people of color in that situation were oppressed because it was white men voting and people of affluence vo I'm not interested in the interactional conversation I'll have the conversation of like because then we just look we can

Brian Atlastalk about like well okay let's start doing intersection let's talk about like disabled people we can talk about like all these different intersections of like how different groups of people and how they intersect we're oppressed we got to keep it to just like men and

Natashawomen okay then I disagree because I think historically men have been able to do things women cannot including voting for 50 years there's a 50y year difference that's still 50 years yeah let me ask you a question so holding

Brian Atlaspublic office there was a lot of different things that men could do that women couldn't so have your own credit card you couldn't do that without a male signer yeah so going to the voting thing though Daman do you have the

Brian Atlasinfographics tab pulled up go ahead pull it up for me so I can pull get this going yeah uh percentage of popul there's a different one that I think exiled out really quick yeah this one's

Brian Atlasa bit better countries with universal right to vote uh so the green or excuse me not the green the brown no Universal right to vote so that's going back to 1789 in 1850

Brian Atlassome men started getting the right to vote and then you had in but it was very like very small uh and then oh this is universal let's you know this is a bunch

Brian Atlasof this is an amalgamation of different countries can you go back to the other one yeah so oh wait is there another one just those two okay put do that first one so I believe this is in

Brian Atlasparliamentary I believe this is in the UK then so the the pink is women blue is men so 1600 1700 1800 you did have like

Brian Atlasa small proportion of men but like that leaves 99 98% of men who couldn't vote and then what you end up seeing is there's a brief period for about 50 years there where like a bit more men

Brian Atlascould vote and then a bit more men could vote and then in just a 50 years time it just completely equalized now and that was in that happened in like the early

Brian Atlas1900s do you know when the women's right to vote when it was ratified the 19th amendment I don't remember now it was like 1920 is when it was ratified 18 or

Brian Atlas19 yeah 1920 do you know what happened right before 1920 like in general Big World big world event yeah the war you mean yeah yeah

Brian AtlasWorld War I World War I so here's a major difference I don't know about you but if I was an 18-year-old in 1914 living in Germany or France I think I

Brian Atlaswould trade my right to vote to not be sent to like Amia or like the Arden forest or some sort of like offensive in

Brian AtlasNorth Africa and just like have uh like absolutely insane uh trench foot as he

Brian Atlassaid or have shell shock and here like have permanent tentis where my ears are ringing from like the constant bombardment I think I would have rather

Brian Atlasbeen a woman at 18 in you know 1914 living in Europe then you know being a man by the way most men even then a lot of them didn't even have

Brian Atlasthe right to vote but men got the right to vote because they had more Duty they had more responsibility you women got to dodge the UL I mean the ultimate

Brian Atlassacrifice would be having to die for your country and so men got as a woman you can't be drafted to go to war the government can't force you to go to war

Brian Atlasright men should I think men should have more say if their government Representatives can say okay we're going to send you to war to go die I kind of

Brian Atlasthink that that was the Fair tradeoff how about today would you be a woman if you could would you trade being a man for being a woman since you're so oppressed and so sad I mean I'm happy to articulate ways in which men are

Brian Atlasdisadvantaged I think I'm also happy being a man but it's not I I think there are certain privileges that women have that Trump those of my supposed male privilege cuz now you can vote and you don't have to go to war you have all of

Calliethe luxuries I mean we're still guys being a woman is pure pain it just looks flashy because we you know put the makeup on and all the flashy stuff but it's mostly

Calliepainful like we're emotional beings we got to bleed every month for 35 plus years then the menopause it's like we we get like one week a month to be a human

Brian Atlasages disadvantages I mean but that's there some of the things you listed were bi biological in nature that you can't really do anything about exactly but you guys get the advantage on that I think

Brian Atlashaving a male body the fact that we don't have to have a period is an advantage I mean do you want to contend with the argument though I mean you you obviously disagree with me you think my position is untenable do you want to like

Natashaforward really I mean that's kind of disappointing that you don't want to have it back and forth I said my piece I don't don't think we're going to agree on it that's my I think you guys are also oppressed I think we're oppressed in different ways it doesn't mean that

Brian Atlasyou're more oppressed or less oppressed it's just different but so for the I what I was trying to say about the voting vast majority of human history nobody had the right to vote it was

Brian Atlasmonarchs dictators kings queens Emperors whatever then because of warfare men had to be forced to go to war men had a

Brian Atlasgreater vested interest in saying like yeah I don't want to get sent to uh passionale I don't want to go get sent to one of these like offensive

Brian Atlasfronts in some European country to fight some War because Arch Duke France Ferdinand got [ __ ] capped by some was

Brian Atlasit Serbian Serbian Serbian what's his name [ __ ] gavriel Prince or whatever a okay anyways I'm getting [ __ ] in the weeds here um but even

Jakewith the credit cards and stuff too the fact of the matter is that men had to incur all of the debt so they had to incur all of their wife's debt as well and they were responsible for that so

Natashawomen actually didn't even have to have the burden of a credit card either the the men had to incur all of the debt but you still had to have a signer for a credit card until much more recently than that standard was the case yeah but

JakeI mean but what I'm saying though is if you're in a marriage with a man and say it goes wrong the man has to incur all of the woman's debt right and even nowadays it's like women are like a burden on the on the uh welfare system

Jakeand particularly when it comes to credit cards like they are in a lot more debt than men single women not not good Spenders 80% of the consumer base or something like that look was it unfair

Jakethat women didn't have the right to vote for a period of 50 years as compared to men I sure but but even then there was a massive debate with the suffragettes and the women who didn't want to actually have the vote because they were like we don't want to do jury duty we don't want

Jaketo go to war we don't want to do all of these sorts of things that's not our job as women and they were debating it out but unfortunately there was huge financial interests that you know wanted to bring women into the workforce and

Brian Atlashave them vote I mean and then the other thing that occurs to me is that women secured the right to vote without any of the corresponding

Brian Atlasresponsibilities that men had like even to this day 225 women are not subject to military conscription you don't have to register

Brian Atlasfor the Selective Service men do if you don't it's a felony it's a 250 $250,000 fine you can be barred from certain federal jobs you can't get like uh federal student loans there's some

Brian Atlasother ramifications um you can't vote you can't vote as a man being able to vote is tied to you registering for The Selective Service which would potentially May well no matter what even

Brian Atlasif you don't register for that [ __ ] they can still draft you but uh as men you're subject to military conscription I mean you seem really big you seem really big on like bodle

Brian Atlasautonomy this is a bodly autonomy issue for men like governments every single state in the world there's like maybe I think Israel is the only one that drafts women or maybe I don't know and even then they do support roles right most of

Brian Atlasthe time God I wish I can go to war right now that's great get blown up cool so in the United States anyways just to keep it local men can be have their bodly autonomy taken away from them as

Brian Atlassomebody who's like a bodily autonomy you seem like a bodily autonomy Advocate I feel like you should be a bit more on the side of men on this issue to at least make it equal between men and women you should be advocating

Calliefor women being more than the other I said they're very different you guys have different gender roles they have each other's backs example a at the beginning everybody's phones got taken

Callieaway except for Jake's why cuz they're like oh we're bodies We're Men we're keep your phone that's right M privilege why why he gets male privilege it's not

Brian Atlaseven male privilege it's he's been on the show like a dozen times priv get no because Jake knows not to be looking at his phone and being disrespectful and rude during the conversation it felt like it was like oh only the women give

Jakeyour phones cuz you'll be taking yeah because you guys are more likely to be checking your phone and stuff whereas I have respect for Brian's show and I understand the rules and I'm going to stick to the rules and he knows that you know that's called reciprocity and it's called just having a trustful

Brian Atlasrelationship yeah like here's the reality and actually when I first started the podcast never took phones away I think I don't know first 40 50 shows maybe I don't know when we started

Brian Atlasit at least 50 plus shows never took phones away you know what ended up happening people were on their phone not paying attention to the conversation it's also just rude to begin with and I'm Natasha not trying to call you out

Brian Atlasyou've been checking your little ey it's look not a big deal whatever time have a really long that's fine but I'm saying like you know there is something to when it comes to respect and not being on your phone when you're engaged in like a

Brian Atlasconversation and listening to the person whether it's me talking when are you talking Etc it's just kind of that's why we take the phones away but you're right I am sexist I typically you know I did

Callienot take Jake's phone he's a man so I a raging sexist the respect thing I mean I wasn't going to be on my phone but uh no gender wage Gap I mean

Brian Atlasuh I'll just say you you think there's a gender wage Gap that's also evidence of Oppression and not equal rights right gender wage Gap gender wage Gap um I mean look we don't have really time to

Brian Atlaslinger too long on it so you have the controlled uncontrolled gender wage Gap um the gender wage Gap is comparing all men and all women and just doing a

Brian Atlascomparison you're not factoring hours worked type of job uh seniority in the company location like the uncontrolled

Brian Atlasgender wage Gap is like it's looking at everything right so you're going to take a um like a what's an attorney that uh a

Brian Atlasuh what's a a public defender in Idaho and you're going to compare his salary to a civil litigation lawyer in New York City who works at one of the

Brian Atlastop law firms and he went to Harvard Law School that's the uncontrolled wage Gap and then of course you're going to have males who are in Idaho and the woman who's like a high-powered attorney who went to Harvard and is working civil litigation

Brian Atlasand making like maybe even millions of dollars a year when you start controlling for all these factors ours worked type of job location

Brian Atlasgeography overtime Hazard pay willingness to relocate there's over a dozen different factors it shrinks down to one cent between men and women that's the

Brian Atlasdifference it's one cent if I seem to recall every single one of you said you want men to pay for the first date well you said yes men should pay men should pay men should pay men should pay

Brian Atlasmen should pay 5050 yeah um who here wants to be a stay-at-home mom and not have to work you

Natashayou depends into the mic it depends I think it depends on the relationship and how many kids we have I would like to be at home raising the kids but I think once they're a certain age you could go back to work but you would want to take

Brian Atlassome time off of work right and you would I assume you would hope in that scenario that your husband would be working during that time and he would continue working after that and he was working before that right ideally so

Brian Atlashe'll take less time off than you right like paternity yeah paternity leave yeah yes like so couldn't the wage Gap whether it's controlled or

Brian Atlasundercontrolled be fully explained Away by women's social and mating pressure that you guys on the individual and group level exert on men that we don't

Brian Atlasexert back on you you want a guy to pay for the first aid y'all want a guy to pay for the first aid some of you want to be stay-at home wives you don't want to work at all and you want the guy to be able to make enough money to do that

Brian Atlaswouldn't that indicate or wouldn't that lead men if in order to date you I need to make this much money I need to spend money on the date that you don't have to

Brian Atlasspend for you guys are the ones who are enforcing men's greater propensity and

Brian Atlasdesire to earn more money so that they could provide for your own wants so couldn't it just be exp the gender wage

Brian AtlasGap is just entirely explained Away by your standards for

Natashamen is there a rebuttal I don't know if you're disagreeing no I think in general I had said that I would prefer somebody who pays on the first date but I think whoever is asking whether that's the girl or guy cuz you had said that you

Brian Atlaswould ask a guy on a date sometimes I think whoever asks on the date should be the person providing sure but so pay for that do you think so if if I me personally like let's say I didn't have this podcast and girls like weren't like

Brian Atlasdming me or whatever do you think I can move through life and just wait for girls to ask me out like I'm definitely not attractive enough to do that if that's the kind of girl you like like

Brian Atlassome girls do like taking an initiative like that okay like am I going to wait for that because you could go to a bar and you could get a dude like you

Brian Atlascould get you could have 10 dudes come up to you how attractive as a guy do you need to be to get that I I don't even think really hot dudes are going to get hit on 10 times I've never asked a guy

Natashaout on a first date either but I've yeah like how many times have you approached a guy I would never cuz I I like when a man takes initiative even if he's like if I saw someone that was my ideal perfect man I still wouldn't do it and do you consider yourself like no you're

Natashafine do you consider yourself like more liberal more Progressive like politically prog uh I would say I'm pretty Middle Ground I have some liberal ideologies but I'm pretty conservative even with the like with the

Brian Atlasfamily situation oh conser but like politically are you liberal pretty liberal if Middle Ground so what if I told you conservative women they Absolut which is maybe 50% of women they don't want to be chasing a man like that they

Brian Atlasdon't want to approach a man and then even you yourself you're Lial woman you don't want to you've never approached a guy you don't ask guys out on dates so there's a lot of women there's more

Brian Atlaswomen who think like you than think like oh yeah I'm approach that guy I agree with you right so but you're you're trying to you're saying that oh well whoever ask should pay yeah but if a

Natashagirl feels obligated or like is intentional and wants to do that then sure pay for it because it does happen yeah rarely but so knowing this knowing

Brian Atlasthat the entire framework of dating is 99% or 95% whatever you want to attribute to it the guy is going to have to initiate and then by your own

Brian Atlasworldview if the person who asks has to pay that means the financial burden falls on men there's no financial burden that falls on you I don't think it necessarily has to be a financial burden you it literally I mean it literally is

Natashathough no because you could take somebody out to the park you could take them somewhere where you're not spending money but I'm still still saying the person who takes initiative is what I find attractive um so how about the first date the guy takes you to the park

Brian Atlasum when you're in a relationship with a guy like second date third date fourth date fifth date let's say he does want to go out to dinner should he pay for it then like we're in a relationship second date third date fourth date I don't know

Brian Atlasif you're in a relationship yet second date third up to the fifth sixth date should he pay for all dates uh not necessarily all days has that been your experience though that he would pay has it been your dating experience when you've gone on a second third fourth

Brian Atlasdate I'm sure you've been on first dates where he did take you to a nice dinner right yeah and second third fourth fifth dates he did he took you to dinner or he paid for something right right so of

Brian Atlasyour second third and fourth fifth dates whatever sometimes I'll try to pay yeah for sure but has it been your experience on first second third fourth fifth dates even in those subsequent dates he's

Natashastill going to pay I mean yeah but I still will try but usually the men that I date are the old the old reach for the purse like pretending like you're going to pay no I

Natashaactually like I was seeing somebody um and we had been on a date and he had gone to the bathroom and I asked for the bill when he was there because he had paid for several dates prior to that and I thought that was a nice thing to do and when he came back he had asked them

Jakefor the bill and I had already paid and he was pretty upset about it i' be so insulted but if if a if a girl I've had a experience before when girls have like planned a date they've been like oh I want you go to the movies they've gotten the tickets and

Natashayou get there and they're like already got I was like oh that's like that's thoughtful you shows I'm not at and they're planning it like the guy doesn't have to pay for every date yeah that's what I mean you're a relationship let me ask you a question you go on a first

Brian Atlasdate with a guy and he does take you to dinner uhhuh and I don't know it's maybe $100 total the waiter comes and waiter says do you guys want anything more and he says no I think we're good we're full

Brian Atlasno dessert two checks please are you going to go on the second day with them no ah thank you for proving my point even yeah so because you you offered this up as a

Brian Atlasrebuttal to my position on the wage Gap so my argument is the wage Gap is explained by the fact that women put a social and mating pressure a mating

Brian Atlaspressure on men that doesn't exist on you you guys can be motivated to succeed for your survival M but when it comes to like getting a partner getting romance

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