MELTDOWN?! Heated Debate w/ Feminist! Men Must WORSHIP Women?! She IS The Table?! | Dating Talk #225

Date: 2025-02-03

Duration: 7h 25m

Guests

Brian Atlas

NNatasha Alandy Shaw >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Davia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Jill(guest)

SPEAKER_04Trinidad / BNA(guest)

SPEAKER_05Melena(guest)

SPEAKER_06Natasha(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Jake(guest)

SPEAKER_14Callie(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteNatasha introduces herself: personal trainer, LA Clippers girl, triple major

“my name is Natasha alandy Shaw I'm 30 from woodier in Los Angeles California I'm a personal trainer and a LA Clippers girl and I have a Bachelors and classical music uh Child Development and education triple Major”

QuoteBNA (Fifth Dimension Princess) drops a freestyle bar on the show

“I fell in love with you in the metaverse I could hold your Glock on in my fendy purse”

ControversyNatasha refuses to engage with Jake's 50-women job interview hypothetical, says she wouldn't do it

“I personally don't like that strategy at all”

QuoteCallie's quote on the decreasing value of female sexuality in hookup culture

“you know how stock the stock market is just like when something goes too much it loses value the vagina now is just like a frisbee”

ControversyAbortion debate - Natasha clashes with Jake over heartbeat definition and bodily autonomy

“I think that besides the fact that a science as scientists might say that science is so devalued in society now because men make the decision based on their emotion”

QuoteCallie reveals she was forced to have an abortion 10 years ago which broke her mentally and led to shaving her head

“I was forced to have an abortion and ruined my life like mentally emotionally I shave my head now people think I'm a lesbian”

ControversyBrian accuses Natasha of stonewalling after he 'checkmated' her on the World War II/slavery argument

“you knew I checkmated you and then you created this boundary to try to be evasive and not admit what I was talking about”

QuoteBrian rates himself 5/10 on looks, citing potential baldness, weight, dandruff, big nose

“I'm losing a little bit right here lot of stress it happens you know losing it I could lose like 30 40 pounds big nose pale dandruff”

QuoteCallie accuses Jake of being gay because he keeps defending men and praising them

“Why are you guys so into men are you gay like you're like men are the fucking”

QuoteJill reveals her father was physically violent with her as a baby, leading to police report and prosecution

“there was prosecution okay”

ControversyCallie meltdown - women are superior, they give life, she says men cannot love unconditionally

“women will always be superior women will always in which way we give you life if it wasn't for us you would be talking”

QuoteCallie jokingly claims body count of 655, says Dominicans go hard since age 14

“655 I'm Dominican we get around since we're like 14 we go hard we go hard on the paint”

ControversyMan or Bear: Callie picks man but argues 50% of men would assault, Brian compares to racial profiling

“I chose some man because even if he tries to like saay me or kill me I think I can take him over a bear”

QuoteBrian argues gender wage gap is explained entirely by female mating pressure on men to be providers

“my argument is the wage Gap is explained by the fact that women put a social and mating pressure a mating pressure on men that doesn't exist on you”

ControversyCallie demands to leave, claims 8 hours of abuse and woman-bashing on the show

“I just want to drive two hours to my home for eight hours you've talked about how bad women are”

QuoteCallie bows to Brian on camera after he says he wants women to bow to him (showing dominance)

“equality don't you love it you feel you feel good”

ControversyFinal escalation: Callie says she'd rather die alone than be with a man like Brian, says show is man-hating

“after this podcast I want to die alone like that was my biggest fear but now I want to make millions of dollars and just get a doll”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian introduces all 7 female guests and Jake. Each states name, age, location, occupation, and education. Includes Trinidad playing her music video 'Running Up Racks'.

Relationship Status & Dating History

Round-robin on relationship status, longest relationships, who initiated breakups. Includes discussion of Jill's marriage/divorce, Natasha's never having a relationship, Trinidad's international roster, Callie's marriage and engagement.

Jake's Job Interview Hypothetical

Jake poses a hypothetical: if 50 other women compete for the perfect man, how would you sell yourself? Discussion reveals most women wouldn't engage with the premise. Davia claims to be a dominant woman. Discussion of Mufasa as benevolent leadership archetype.

React: Ghosting & Long Text After 2 Dates

Panel reacts to TikTok of woman being ghosted after 2 dates and getting a long message. Discussion of ghosting etiquette, women sharing intimate details about hookups with friends, men vs women handling relationship conflicts (reputation destruction vs physical).

Deadbeat Dads & Child Support

Discussion of deadbeat dads, child support enforcement, welfare system incentives for single motherhood. Brian draws parallels to abortion choices. Multiple panelists have personal experience with absent fathers. Natasha reveals her father was prosecuted for domestic violence.

Abortion Debate

Extended heated debate on abortion rights. Natasha argues pro-choice with heartbeat caveat. Jake argues life begins at conception per biology. Brian explores legal paternal surrender. Discussion of rape exceptions, bodily autonomy, when does life begin.

Self-Ratings Round (1-10 looks)

Stiffler from chat requests ratings. Natasha=8, Trinidad=10, BNA=11, Callie=11 (naked)/6 (clothed), Jill=6, Melena=5 (then said 8), Davia=10. Brian rated himself 5/10. Brian then asks panelists to rate him: Natasha=6, Jill=5, Trinidad=7, Davia=6, Melena=5, Callie=9 (total), Jake=N/A.

Dating Apps & Hypergamy

React to TikTok women complaining about men who match them on Hinge being 'below their league'. Discussion of women's inflated self-perception on dating apps, hypergamy, alpha widow effect, women dating above their league for sex but unable to lock down commitment.

What Men Bring to the Table / Women ARE the Table

Extended debate on Natasha's position that women don't need to bring anything to the table beyond their presence. Brian challenges this. Jake argues women should demonstrate wife qualities. Discussion of what high-value men actually want.

Traditional Relationships vs Feminism

Jill's conservative Christian pre-show notes discussed: dating to marry, submission, unconditional love, marriage. Jake argues marriage is obsolete from secular perspective. Brian's anti-marriage positions challenged by Jill.

Pegging Story / Callie's Trauma

Callie shares traumatic story of walking in on a man she was dating getting pegged by another woman. Revelation about forced abortion 10 years ago that caused mental breakdown. Shaved head as result. Discussion of pegging culture in LA.

Body Count, Promiscuity & Virginity

Discussion of female body count as disqualifying factor for marriage-minded men. Jake: any one-night stands = auto disqualification. BNA/Melena reveal double-digit body counts mostly from younger years. Brian explains min-maxing approach to redemption. Callie claims 655 then backtracks.

50/50 Relationships & First Date Paying

Discussion of who should pay on first date (unanimous: the man), 50/50 relationships (mixed views), and gender wage gap as explained by female mating pressure on men.

Men's Types & Ideal Partners

Round-robin on each guest's ideal partner type (looks and values). Natasha likes big athletic foreign men (Aussies/Kiwis). Trinidad likes tall dark handsome athletes. Callie wants dominant non-intimidated man. Jill wants average conservative Christian man. Davia wants Asian men. Jake wants Christian submissive woman. Brian likes petite women, natural.

Minimum Income & Height Requirements

Brian asks minimum yearly income requirement for future husband: Natasha=$150k, Trinidad='equal or more', Callie=$200k (wants man who makes less than her), Jill=$70-80k, Melena=$80k, Davia=$80k. Height minimums discussed. Brian confirms he prefers short women.

Man or Bear in the Forest

Classic 'man or bear' question. Natasha picks bear (50% of men would assault), Callie picks bear, others mostly pick man. Heated debate about men's nature, assault statistics, and whether the fear is rational. Brian draws racism parallel with race-based fear.

Women's Oppression & Equal Rights Debate

Statement: 'women have equal rights to men in USA' - Natasha disagrees. Discussion of wage gap, presidency, abortion as oppression. Brian counters with Selective Service, circumcision, incarceration disparities, child support as male oppression. Includes voting rights history infographic presentation.

Gender Wage Gap Debate

Extended debate: Brian argues wage gap is explained by female mating pressure on men (women want men who earn, this motivates men to earn more). Natasha partially concedes. Discussion of who should pay on first dates and the contradiction of complaining about wage gap while expecting men to be providers.

Roast Session / Closing

Chat roast session with $20 TTS. Panelists take off makeup with wipes. Callie gets most heated, claims 8 hours of woman-bashing. Final thoughts, outro, raid to Peekaboo IRL on Twitch.

Transcript

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Jakethat if we cross a certain line then there's going to be physical altercations or there's going to be physical implications for that and we generally tend to have the same sort of rule with with with women as well because it's just how we're sort of

Jakewired whereas women don't actually have that boundary in terms of gossip and reputation destruction so they'll cross those boundaries like we've just seen there and it's just they're more likely to do it because they regulate their

Melenarelationships in a way that doesn't have consequences like that yeah I don't think there's the same consequences I agree I think it might have to do with women not

Melenabeing just ignore it um with women not being violent so maybe it has something to do with like feeling a lack of power and so they go for like an emotional hit more

Daviaoften not that it's okay it's oppressed yeah and I also think that like I definitely have done this in my earlier years but now would I say I would do this now no but I also think that young women I think those girlss were

Daviadefinitely really young in those that video so obviously it's purely jokes you know what I mean they don't think of it the outcome of it as you do when you're an adult like you know what I mean yeah the repercussions that it does to

Daviapeople's mindset and what it does on their livelihood reputation and everything but I think when women grow they kind of lean towards not resulting into that you know what I mean but I definitely did that in high school but

Brian Atlaswould I say I would do it now absolutely not M very high school thing to do yeah very yeah and you said I think going back to what you said Natasha you said it's normal

Natashafor women to like communicate those sorts of things right yeah I don't think like specifically blasting like what he said or showing the message I don't think that's nice but in general I do think if like you know that I'm dating someone then it would be natural to be

Brian Atlaslike he went a little bit cuckoo and sent me this really extra message something kind of related to that that I I kind of take a problem with when it comes to dating is is and I mean I don't

Brian Atlasthink all women do this but I it seems pretty common I guess going around the table I'd like to know uh do like let's say you go on a date with a guy you really like him maybe you guys hook up

Brian Atlasyou got your friend group of girls or whatever next time you see them or maybe your group text whatever do you guys share details after you hook up with a dude

Natashalike intimate details yeah like personally I don't know penis eyes you've never shared penis size you know the same thing like when I was younger I might have said something like as a joke but I would never like at this point in my life no that's an intimate thing

Natashawhere somebody's at their most vulnerable I I think that's totally inappropriate even like as a joke that's disrespectful okay um what do you do you share you share details I don't share

Trinidad / BNAdetails because you share details I don't no okay so the reason why I don't you share them in your rap songs I heard them lies on R yeah I'm talking about getting

Trinidad / BNAmoney in my songs I heard some references oh okay what you here I don't know I couldn't understand if I but no I don't think so like well not that I don't I know I don't share like

Trinidad / BNAdetails like that but it's because unless maybe it was bad and I was just like oh isn't that even worse yeah that's the worst I'm not going to give the details on like why it was bad like oh tell them if it's good not if it's

Trinidad / BNAbad no I'm not going to tell them if it's good cuz then some people ain't really your friends like that what they want to go try it there then now I got to whip your ass and his because and then it's my fault yeah and then yeah but that's what I'm saying is Well if

Trinidad / BNAhe's really good then why don't you just tell him it was really bad well because then you're going back to what I just said that tell him it's bad and then you just told me to tell him it's good well we have a chat here really quick spicy

Brian Atlaswean 89 sorry our TTS is not working the nickname dark labia equals spicy un hot so own it dark cavia has been so mad at me for weeks now because I'm the one

Daviathat started that joke on the podcast is that you yes she literally said it and I guys stop dude it's pink I'm not going to call I'm not hold on it's not dark what dark laia is matter yes dark laia's

Brian Atlasmatter I'm not going to call her it anymore because I feel like it's mean to make S like that's your name you know like it's equivalent to a dick size joke Staravia you st with beautiful name

Trinidad / BNAthank you I feel like the more upset you get though the more they're going I know you're going to point it out um and I'm just going to keep saying it's pink so okay that's fine uh what about you what do you think yeah I don't really like

Brian Atlastalk about it but like I'm still my boyfriend so you know yeah okay can't be bad sure wait what was the question like do you share like if you just like first time hooking up with a new guy if it's

Calliereally bad I have to share it like one time it was so small I had to call my aunt how can you show us so no it was a micro penis I had to take a picture myt

Callieyou took a picture I I've never seen anything like it I was in shock I couldn't believe it he was so tall that was cold or something no the guy was

Callievery tall Destiny over here taking he was like six 6 6'2 he was a tall guy not that did he consent to the picture no he did not that's ilal but it was not

Jakeonline it was just between me and my auntie you know I said she looked like a music producer before this could be Puff Daddy's Puff Daddy's uh right hand [ __ ]

Melenaokay what about you I don't do hookup culture so no okay but I mean you've like had sex with a guy no we we didn't like when me and my sisters would talk we didn't talk about that stuff okay um

MelenaI won't share size I feel like that's just [ __ ] up um but definitely I'll share with my friends like details about it the guy I'm currently seen um will

Melenamake like sex tapes and he wants me to show my friends but I am not worried about my friends like I'm not worried about my friends wanting him because they have such

Melenadifferent types like davia likes Asian man and Mexicans this is a tall white bro she hates white dudes

Daviaokay cool for me I personally wouldn't because lies I know I'm I'm so for real I'm so for real I literally want I

Daviawouldn't unless like unless one of my friends let's say I hooked up with someone and one of one of like associate someone was like hey yo I know you you know slept with him I was like if it's

Daviacool if I sleep like you know get with him whatever and I'm like yeah I mean like I don't care but you know you got to give him a heads up basically that's what I would do if they're interested in the person I hooked up with and I get I don't really care if they do it but if

Daviait's someone that I've been taking seriously no absolutely not that is that is my business she's telling the truth yeah I don't know man M uh I don't know

Brian Atlashow prevalent this is uh maybe it depends on well obviously goes without saying it depends on the individual but I would be pretty upset

Brian Atlasif I was dating a girl and her like close friend group knew like sexual details about me and I've never even met them I'd be I would be I'd probably dump the chick I'd be like because you guys

Brian Atlasmight think oh it's not that serious I'd be like this is a major breach of like something that's kind of private intimate uh when it comes to my personal relationships very private and it's like

Brian Atlasyou just don't have that level of respect where it's like like I would never with my male friends I would never go to them and be like Oh yeah this is this is the circumference of her vaginal

Brian AtlasCanal I would never share that kind of details I wouldn't show them photos if she sent me photos I wouldn't share any of that that's like for for respect for

Brian Atlasher and then our relation relationship would never share like any photos any intimate details you never went to a destiny party a what a destiny party no no no okay what if she let you try

Brian Atlassomething new and you're like hyped about it and wanted to tell your friends what what do you mean try something new that's just the weirdest thing I've head like like dude she she let me slap her

Jakebro slap her I don't know I'm just you ask for an example that's a normal Tuesday it's uh I don't know what if you walked in but that's a good point though what if you walked into a house and she took you downstairs and she had like a a

Jakedungeon with like BDSM and stuff I wouldn't I wouldn't even share that really I mean it's a little I don't know if I would date a girl I can't say I wouldn't share that I do you share

Brian Atlasintimate details did wait did did I just just make that clear or wait what do you mean like anything do you share anything okay here here I'll I'll walk you through a

Brian Atlasscenario hook up with a girl last night this is a just an ex not actually hook up with a girl last night and then uh I'm hanging out with my friends the next day they're like oh Brian you went

Brian Atlason a date with they probably wouldn't even know I was on a date with girl but whatever oh you went on a date with that whatever that girl whatever how'd it go I'd be like oh it's good that's it

Brian Atlasthat's all they get that's normally how it goes de with guys we could have done crazy [ __ ] son we could have you know The Fifth Dimension I do think that's

Brian Atlasreally respectful Fifth Dimension crazy sex it was good that's it they don't get details they don't get anything and all I want you know I'd like a little

Calliereciprocation on this from a woman but didn't didn't guys started that whole thing like oh yeah you know like talking about the girl I no that's a girl that's

Brian Atlasa look that's not Locker Room barber shop talk I think I don't think we're like sharing details details we might the

Brian Atlasconversation be like we could be talking about sex in a as a general concept but we're not like yeah I I I [ __ ] Becky

Jakeand her [ __ ] like no I it might be like the conversation of have you guys had sex and you'd be like yes I know but it wouldn't be like and then I did this it's like it's not really a conversation you have with your boys but I think the girls they get into the weeds and they

Brian Atlasto be fair there's probably some guys that do talk like that low quality it's people in general like when they're less respectful when you guys were younger

Jakedid you no no never never did it I'm not yeah okay okay you got when you're younger and when you're first exploring it and you're like you know with your other teenage friends which you shouldn't be doing but we live

Jakein a fallen world but uh yeah at that point you're like oh yeah like this happened if it's like the first time doing something tell the boys you know we have sha here I saw sexy Red's leaks

Brian Atlasand it wasn't pink either and she said it's never pink it was dark I don't if I had an only fans dude all y'all would be exposed cuz I'm telling

Brian Atlasthe truth for real I want to play this it's not oh my it's not working that's uh shria thank you for the $100 Super Chat D's in the chat for Shara let me do

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Brian Atlasshow every single month really appreciate it guys thank you guys over there on Twitch all right let's get into some of the pre-show notes Here uh audio

Brian Atlasstill scuffed I'll try to work it out so let's start with Jillian Jillian Jill Jill okay you were married uh you describe yourself as a Conservative

Brian AtlasChristian you subscribe to the belief that men and women have certain roles and that when they live in those roles they are not only fulfilling their purpose but also the happiest in those roles you think dating should be taken

Brian Atlasmore seriously than it is in today's age you date to marry MH has that always been the case or is this a new development no it's always been the case

Brian Atlasyeah always been the case um so you were married once MH uh date to marry okay and so was your body count just one no

Brian Atlasit's it's two okay was that after it was was it a rebound no rebound okay got it and then

Brian Atlasyou said you think men should pursue women and then women should contribute to the relationship in their area of G gifts and expertise I think women are buying into a lie that they can have it all the job the guy the kids but they're

Brian Atlasactually hurting Society by not having kids at all or waiting until way too late mhm okay um how's that going for you I guess yeah

Jillso I would love to um have kids and be married again I think it's contributing to society and you know if that if marriage never presents itself again

Jillbecause it's a very serious thing I still hold it to a highest esteem then I would love to Foster and adopt and and you know be a part of raising the Next Generation that way are you waiting um

Jilldo you wait until marriage when it comes to having sex but what happened to like the so there's a verse in the Bible where it says don't awaken love until it's time and that is very true when it

Jillcomes to being in intimate with someone I my first was my husband and then after we divorced there was a period of time where it was very hard to become

Jillcelibate again and so I I kind of did like a little relapse and it was kind of like a reality check to my beliefs and who I am and what marriage is and how I

Brian Atlasview men and just all of that stuff was kind of coming crashing down so wait um how soon after you div got divorced did this other guy come into the picture to

Jillbe honest I don't even know it was probably not long after my mar my divorce process was took a year like

Jillalmost a year so it was a how long after separation then oh Years Years okay yeah cuz we we said separated 9 months after

Brian Atlaswe got married like we never lived again so question yeah uh how long after meeting guy number two like you meet him and then did you like was it the one night stand what are

Jillwe talking here yeah well no it wasn't a one night stand but it was like a one time thing and then it was done like we had um we had a thing I would call it a situationship and then we that happened

Jilland then it was that was it for me I was like I can't do this anymore I'm I'm sorry like these are my beliefs I'm this is where I stand and I can't do this wait so you were were were you dating

Brian Atlashim for a while it we were seeing each other dating sure but so you meet where did you meet him dating out uh no just in person okay and then you meet him and then like first date second date third

Jilldate no I don't no way later down the road we were seeing each other maybe for a couple months and and then you guys have sex one time that was it and then

Jillyou you ended or he ends it I said I'm so sorry I cannot do this I um this is not where I want to go down this is not who I am done did you guys did you say

Brian Atlasyou love each other no it was but it was like three months in yeah

Jillmaybe but hold on you had sex with him so you hit it and quit it we so this is a lot of information I don't really

Jillfeel comfortable sharing okay was the sex bed I wouldn't even say it was a full thing I guess just a tip sure I don't know again details I don't really

Brian Atlasthese are details I don't really feel comfortable sharing did you so you were like wait the penis entered and you're like hold on not that I don't not answering

Jillthat a couple Strokes I'm not answering that okay okay that's it that's in for me I really don't want to revisit that so yeah but like your future like what

Brian Atlasabout so the next guy though he's going to like marriage he has to wait till marriage oh yeah for sure but I think what if he's like what the [ __ ] like this guy got to hit no I heard that

Jillargument from you um I I think that's entirely uh valid that argument but um that's his decision to make but I'm like you did you like the

Jillguy before the sex um to be honest I wasn't like a super fan of it a super fan of him yeah

Jillokay but then you're like ah dating this guy for three months I don't really like him I guess I could it was a no it wasn't like that and it's I don't want

Jillyou to boil it down to just like that moment because um there was a lot of emotions and healing that was happening and so it was just a lot of like um things that were coming to a head and in

Jillthat moment I realized that's not who I want to be and so that's not who I'm going to be okay all right

Jillinteresting how did he take the breakup I don't know I I think he was like a little disappointed I did explain

Jillthat like like I I'm sorry I this is not who I am he was probably more like used to hookup culture and things like that so I mean you guys were 3 months in I that's I mean we didn't like talk like

Jillthere's 3 months into a relationship but then there's 3 months into just like well how many times how many dates had you been on I don't know over 10 probably yeah

Brian Atlasokay I mean all right damn bro because it's like one thing if you know maybe you'd been on a couple dates with a girl and you hook up whatever reason she doesn't you know she's not

Jillfeeling it then like 3 months in you smack you have sex once yeah and these are not details that I want to focus on and I don't think it's respectful to me or like that man

Brian Atlasthat happened so I really don't want to focus on that and okay that's fun thank you yeah sure uh let's see the rest of your notes here you said uh um okay men

Brian Atlasshould pursue women yeah we talked about that uh while you do own and run a business your goal in life is to be married and be a mom uh your business is set up that when you meet that person settled down the business takes a back seat you want to be the primary

Brian Atlascaregiver and educator for your children to homeschool is that what you're talking about yeah okay you also think women need to be submissive and to pick a guy that's worthy of being submitted to and then let him take the lead in the

Brian Atlasrelationship yeah okay all right um guy that's worthy of being submitted to I think that's valid but

Brian Atlasthen Andrew I feel like Andrew has quals with this because he he'll be like well who are you to make the determination what is or is not leadership but I don't know if I fully agree with it I mean

Jilllike obviously it has to be you're not going to just date anybody like it has to be the right guy for you but I don't know go ahead you were going to say uh when it comes to a man being worthy to

Jillsubmit it to is someone who shares your values and who um who is you know honest and kind and has your best interest at heart so even when you don't agree with him at the end of the day he has the

Jillfinal say um because you trust that he is he's making the best decision for you guys so who here for the whole panel she says look you're you might have

Brian Atlasdisagreements but and you adhere more to a traditional relationship Dynamic if you have a disagreement somebody has to be the tiebreaker somebody has to make the final determination and she says

Brian Atlasthat that should be the man do you agree or disagree with this in any sense or like with kids everything he gets final say if it's a if if you guys just can't

Natashacome to an agreement he gets final say are you for it in an ideal world yeah I haven't met a man that I feel obligated or interested in doing that for but I

Trinidad / BNAwould love to for sure okay um no because I feel like it's circumstantial like if and under certain circumstances yes he can be the one to

Trinidad / BNAhave the final word and stuff especially if he's more educated or experience on the matter you know but if it's something like we have kids and you're telling me what to do with our daughter who's going through like her period or

Jakesomething that you've never dealt with then obviously no I'm going to have the final say so on you know do you think that he would care about having the final say on something like that maybe because when you say when you're talking about Authority and Leadership generally

Jakeif you're the CEO of a company you defer roles to people you're not wearing every single hat so with something like that that would just be an obvious thing that it's it's it's your thing about how to

Trinidad / BNAhow to deal with a period well sometimes men do feel entitled to that especially when it's their children I'll give like an example um TI if you guys know the rapper TI he was ridiculed because he

Trinidad / BNAwent to the gynecologist with one of his daughters and wanted to know if she was still a virgin or something like that so and then like in that aspect do you have a say so as a mother well that's a

Jakedifferent thing if he wants to know if his daughter's still a virgin as as a opposed to telling her how to handle a period but I mean it's still the it's kind of similar in a sense well a father definitely has like has a say in in whether or not his in his daughter's

Trinidad / BNAChastity and and instilling those values in her for sure yeah no for sure but I think it's a way to go about it like you could talk to your kids or things like that like to just go to the gynecologist with her especially like I don't think

Trinidad / BNAshe was like under 18 anymore I think she was over 18 by that time but it besides the point like I don't care either way but it's like you know some things you guys just don't know about and you shouldn't have the final say so

Trinidad / BNAlike even like with the laws about women's bodies and stuff like that like abortion laws the Plan B pill things like that like it's a man who got the final say so on that not a woman so why why you so you're you're of the opinion

Trinidad / BNAthat a man shouldn't have any say in whether a woman can have an abortion never I never said any say but I don't think they should have the final say on over whether a woman can have an abortion yeah or like yeah that's just

Trinidad / BNAanother examp um I think it should be like a dual like agreement especially if you're in a relationship if the man says no Then you can't well I don't I wouldn't say you can't so then you're

Jakesaying that it has to be two people making the decision so if it has to be two people and he says no Then he you can't no I said that I don't agree with that okay so then if you say so then you decide is what you're saying so no I don't say that I decide but I he was

Jakesaying that in every situation if you have but we're talking specifically about the abortion situation so if there's a baby in the stomach and he say it's a human being at that point if then

Trinidad / BNAhe says no and you say yes who who's right me personally um I I don't really feel like I would Return to Sender so I

Jakewould agree with him if he said no but I do feel like you would agree with him yeah okay so he gets to decide well yeah this this is the this is the problem that keeps coming up though it's like think two people can't make that sort of

Trinidad / BNAdecision well yeah you're right but that's I think what he was saying it's like if you had to let the man make a decision for you or whatever are you going to give him that okay to make the final decision I said no lots of faces

Natashacoming over here I want to see I want to hear what you have to say yeah yeah sorry I cannot control my face a man can choose to leave a pregnancy and have nothing to do about it a woman leaving a

Natashapregnancy that becoming a group decision is insane to me it's her body it's her choice she's the one that's carrying it to term or not if a man can leave a viable pregnancy because of his desire to leave a pregnancy then a woman should

Jakebe able to do the same okay so men men should definitely not be entitled to pay any child support then I don't think that's the same argument at all she if it's her decision to to to kill the baby then it's not a baby what is it then

Natashait's an embryo at that point if and when does when does Life begin after four weeks isn't that right can when no no when does Life Begin it depends where you foll that Spectrum

Natashayeah it it's a spectrum what's the Spectrum explain it to me so an embryo a zygo is very different in terms of a baby when you can hear a heartbeat and an adult is different to a baby so when does it when does life start that's the question it's the cut off of when you

Natashacan have an abortion when you can hear the heartbeat okay so whether or not you think abortion should be or should not be is a separate argument but I'm saying if a man can leave a pregnancy a woman should be able to do same just to

Jakeclarify your position is that life begins when you can hear a heartbeat so you should not be able to have an abortion after the hotbeat yeah I agree with that 100% completely illegal every

Natashastate every part of the world to have a hotbeat well I okay so I think that regardless of if it's legal or illegal people are going to do it they've been doing it since the beginning of time

Natashalegalizing it just allows it to be done safer if I personally got pregnant at any point I could not have an abortion that does more is your decision it's

Jakemore about the fact that they can safely kill that baby it's not a baby but yeah you just said it starts it at heartbeat that's what you say I'm saying you can have an abortion up to the point where you can hear a heartbeat okay so then after that you can't have an abortion am

JakeI am I correct legally or like emotionally in your world after heartbeat you can't have an abortion true I wouldn't personally no no I'm saying should it be illegal my decision is not their decision saying should Beal

JakeI'm not talking about your specific point of view I'm talking about in terms of whether it should be illegal at heartbeat do you think it should be completely legal I do yeah okay and what is the deter like how did you determine that

Natashaheartbeat is when life begins because when it's an embryo or a pach tree dish baby or however you fertilize that egg it's still an egg it's still an embryo that is still

Jakesomething that is living person if we had a scientist here a biologist who was an expert in this field the world's foremost expert when what do you think they would tell you about when life

Natashabegins I think that besides the fact that a science as scientists might say that science is so devalued in society now because men make the decision based on their emotion and not based men make

Natashathe decision based on their emotion do you think that women make this decision based on their emotion I think if it's a b if it's something that is inside you that you are going to have to carry to term that is a you decision it's your I didn't ask

Jakethat I asked do you think that women make the decision based on emotion yeah I do okay well then equalizes it but look can I tell you what the biologist would tell you if they were sitting right here you sure can they would tell you that life begins at conception sure

Jakeyeah it's when the egg is fertilized it's when the DNA is created right so but but you're subjectively going against that so you don't agree with the scientific I don't agree that like there are so many instances where a woman

Jakeshould not have to carry that to term there is instances of things that we probably shouldn't talk about on here but you should not even even in even in that instance what if it's after the heartbeat that they want to get rid of

Brian Atlasthe child I don't think a woman should have to deal with that emotional baggage so you think that they should be able to kill the child it's not a child wait what what about this though okay uh no

Brian Atlaswhat about this uh what if what if Pro uh Pro lifers are actually willing to go ahead and Grant that in the instances that you were going to mention right

Brian Atlassaay incest so forth they're like you know what that's fine but all the other ones where it's just like I'm not ready not financially capable just don't want it don't want to birth a child they have

Natashato continue with the pregnancy are you fine with that like personally or legally I what do you mean like I personally if I were to get pregnant in that scenario I could not get an

Natashaabortion emotionally but I don't think that my choice should be for the so you would get an abortion not in those circumstances okay but legally you think like other women should I think in general we should be pro-choice because it's a woman's body to do with what she

Jakewants but what if she wants to do with her body uh abort the baby after 6 months and you're saying that the man doesn't want to or just in general that everybody wants to everybody's super stoked about it we're going to do at six months yeah it's her body she should be

Jakeable to do it yeah no okay so then it's not about whether it's her body so what's the actual determining factor which I said several times at the heartbeat okay but then but what if they what if they are worded though what if

Jakewhat what if they are worded and then it's at six weeks just a week after the heartbeat is heard but the woman was our worded yeah she was graped right yeah and she wants to get rid of it should

Natashashe be able to yeah so you're arguing for murder um what you're arguing for murder I think in instances that we're not talking about I don't think a woman should ever have to take that to turn because that's emotional so you're

Jakearguing for Mur so if you say that it's a life when the heartbeat starts and you're AR you're arguing to take that life after the heartbeat starts you're arguing for murder yes because they also took something from her that was not her

Natashadecision so that then becomes her choice is it emotional baggage to carry the child or to raise the child both because I don't think that's fair to the child either because it wasn't

Jilltheir fault can I how is it emotional baggage if that's what we're designed to do is we're designed to carry you're not designed to carry your do you know that 100 do you know that 100% of babies that are given up at

Jakethe hospital get adopted I don't think that's real a true 100% of babies who are given up for adoption are adopted there's a massive massive waiting 100% there's a massive W there a lot

Natashaif if it was possible to have 100% more they would also get adopted but they have a lot of postpartum and true what's your what's your what's your there thousands of children in the Foster system that's not a true stat at all I

Jilldidn't say Foster system I said babies that get adopted from birth from the hospital 100% of them get the reason why there are thousands of children in the Foster system is because when they get older it gets harder and harder to to

Brian Atlasadopt them as they get older but from a baby they get snapped up straight away I have a couple question questions i' love to see that St um question if

Brian Atlaspregnancy only lasted one day like you get pregnant and the next 24 hours later you're popping out a kid would you be in favor of abortion personally no I am not in favor

Brian Atlasof abortion in general oh I'm well but you're pro-choice right I am but I'm saying me personally no I would not agree with an abortion but like okay but so for other women would if abortion

Brian Atlasonly lasted 24 hours would you be in favor of uh allowing women choice in that scenario I still think it's a woman's Choice what she does with her body okay it's just like I know it's a

Brian Atlastotally hypothetical scenario if like pregnancy lasts one day the pregnancy length doesn't determine that for me okay well just just curious then like so let's say 24 hours before a woman would otherwise give birth to a healthy baby

Natashawould you be fine with abortion then no of course not I said several times that the heartbeat I mean in but then after that you said that if they had been graped and then in the instance of grape absolutely never do I think a woman

Jakeshould have to be forced to do that what about if it was a week after and she was having really really bad depression and like Financial issues life was in complete chaos and she was like I just want to get you still think it's a woman's choice so then you have no you

Jakehave no standard then you've just contradicted yourself so many times I have not my stance no I have not contradicted myself at all you said it's five weeks it becomes a laugh you said that it should be illegal after that you actually said that before and then I've

Natashagiven you given you multiple situations abortion ever but I don't think it's my choice to make that determining factor for anybody else so then what Brian just said before if she wants to abort it like when she

Brian Atlaswhen it's about to be born then you have no problem with that because it's her choice I don't I okay I'm I've said the same thing several times that's what we're talking about like you you personally wouldn't but we're trying to get at okay well like your world viw

Natashalike should women be able to have an abortion like an hour before they would birth not well that's not legal or no but it is who does it is actually it's not in some states it is going into labor and they're going excuse me I'd

Natashaactually like an abortion you you can laugh about it but it has happened many many times actually they would never allow that that's absolutely not legal it's got to be pretty embarrassing when you find out an hour before they're going post birth

Brian Atlasabortions okay but found but would you be in favor of women having the choice to do that in a normal situation or in a grape

Brian Atlassituation normal no okay so it should they should be legally prevented from having an abortion a day before they would otherwise give birth I think so yeah what about what about three months

Jakebefore what about six months should the police come in and say no stays the same with the your argument is actually very very inconsistent because you're saying at one point that women shouldn't be able to do it after 5 weeks it should be

Jakeillegal you've said actually very different things many different times so you said it you can make faces all you want or you can just engage like with a logical argument if you'd like to as well but you said it 5 weeks it should be illegal you we can run back the

Natashatapable you said that before and then after that you said that it should be a woman's choice I still think in general it should be a woman's choice there's situations of essay there's situations of GRA that's so then you don't the

Daviaheartbeat thing isn't your position can I add something okay go I think that like it's more like after five weeks that the heartbeat is formed

Daviain her state that like before that like from that when it's being when it was a baby and then from week five that from that standpoint is where it should be

Natashalegal for her s a woman to have a choice to have an abortion wait post five weeks or pre five weeks like before five weeks isn't that you might even just miss one period and think that it's late at five

Melenaweeks you can't get an abortion until seven weeks I don't know I don't know four weeks um my sister did not find out she's pregnant until she was 5 months so

MelenaI think in the case of oh that's awful grape I think it doesn't matter I don't think the time period should know cuz I think especially if it's like a 12-year-old little girl how the [ __ ] are they supposed to know that's what I'm

Jakesaying what about what about what about post birth then like just just after they're born it was a victim of no what about a day before yeah they should be

Melenaable to in my opinion yeah okay so you're also arguing for mle yes okay I can say in any circumstance like

Brian Atlasbecause you huh with grape sorry okay and so but like what if she's just not

Brian Atlasready um a day before birth are you fine with that no oh what okay I guess there's some differentiation there um question for the panel going around the

Brian Atlastable would you rather have a democracy or access to abortions me again first yeah we're going around uh democra into the mic democracy okay can you say the second

Brian Atlaspart again sorry just try to pay attention would you rather have a democracy or access to abortions

Melenaall I don't know um a democracy democracy access to abortion democracy

Brian Atlasdemocracy access to abortion so so like like Trump just becomes authoritarian and it's like he becomes

Brian Atlasking he already he's already no I mean no how so no how's he an authoritarian what I'm saying is he's like okay there's not going to be elections anymore I've seized control of

Brian Atlasthe government and now it's going to be like passed down like through my firstborn son for and that's going to be the form of government like but you get to keep access to abortion

Brian Atlasis that you still pick access to a I think that's Baron he already is like pointing him out it's going to go down can't become president until he's like 35 oh

Brian AtlasI'm pretty sure and he's like what 18 19 18 does it'll be through it'll be like two decades or something and you wait dark hav you picked uh abortion over

Daviademocracy yeah cuz I don't care about are you an anarchist or something yeah no I just don't care like I'm just going to be living you just want abort all those like I just like [ __ ] just give me

Daviaabortion yeah because I I don't know what happened I can't predict the future you know like I I I just want the I want the option on the table you know what I mean so like and I don't like I don't read the news about Trump and stuff like that I I'm like I know did you vote did

Brian Atlasyou vote no I've never voted how about this how about this um free college or free abortions free college yeah free college free college free abortion what's up how many of you have yeah how

Calliehow many abortions have you had no and I'm laughing because I was forced to have an abortion and ruined my life like mentally emotionally I shave my head now people think I'm I'm a lesbian guys are

Callieafraid of me so this is new you had a no no this was 10 years ago and it [ __ ] me up grow slowly yeah I was in a room for 10 years like for 10 years no this was recently CU like catch a guy getting

Callieped that's a different story say that again A guy got ped I got traumatized I'm sorry do you Peg no I catched him like this other girl was doing it and I

Calliewas like oh my God you seeing I'm sorry that's besid yeah so we'll get into the we'll get into the pegging thing later um oh free college free college or free

Brian Atlasabortions free abortions you could be successful without college and abortions I would say free college we would have more doctors all right that's cool um and then final thing on this we we're

Brian Atlasnot going to linger on the conversation too long um what do you think about dead be death kill them hold on one at a time starting

Brian Atlaswith you go ahead um like in general what their effect is yeah like I mean so basically a dead be dad would be a guy who doesn't want to be involved in the child's life um doesn't want to

Natashafinancially support the child your thoughts like is this wrong well of course yeah I think it takes two functional parents in the most ideal sense to raise a family um and I think

Natashathat that happens more often than deadbeat moms men walk out on families a lot more often than women do and I do think that as much as women without healthy father figures like to think

Brian Atlasthat that's not a big issue I think it is and I it affects your relationship said yeah you said men walk out more on their families women initiate 80% of divorces and they destroy their families

Natashaso I mean I'm a little confused by where you came to this like men you hear a lot of people talking about mommy issues as opposed to people talk about daddy issues daddy issues is a lot bigger than issue that people talk about yeah but if

Brian Atlasthe W the woman initiates the divorce and prevents an otherwise willing father access to their children then this would indicate this wouldn't be the fault of the father necessarily in that one instance I think

Natashain a lot of instances it is the man just because a woman initiates the divorce doesn't mean that the woman is initiating the conflict well I I'd be prepared to go ahead and Grant that most

Brian Atlasdivorces uh the reason is for it is is just I'm just not happy irreconcilable differences both Financial issues but for for women it's just like

Brian AtlasI'm just vaguely unhappy there's no abuse there's no uh um no abuse there's there's no uh anything bad happening

Melenahe's not hitting the woman she's just uh want new dick I think there's no reported abuse and also I think you're not taking into consideration premarital

Brian Atlaspregnancy yeah when there's not reported abuse I can just make the same claim well 100% of men are abused but it's not reported so I can't we can't do any sort

Brian Atlasof analysised to report it as and yes Jake makes raises an EXC excellent argument in the event of actual abuse men are more likely than women to not report it

MelenaI agree are you taking into consideration premarital pregnancies though because I think in that situation it's definitely men walking out more I agree with that yeah do you think that

Jakethere's more men walking out or more women having

Daviaabortions now it's more I think that it would definitely be because you get about a million a year in America I don't think there's a million men a year walking out on pregnancy yeah but if people if we would have a that rate would be a lot different if we weren't

Natashahaving abortions so I I think I think that if the nuclear family was intact and we had any any morals in our society then there definitely would be less of that true I was going to I was going to exactly say that that I think that the nuclear your family doesn't really exist

Natashain as much as it did before and so the family structure is very different and most households aren't a twoo parent healthy household to begin with yeah um

Brian Atlasyour thought on dead be D they suck they suck is there more or no no that's fine that's it yeah whack to do that whack ruining Society ruining

JillSociety I don't know I think there's probably more to the situation that of the reason why they're maybe out of their kids' lives sure I was totally kidding about kill them I think you can

Melenastill make a beautiful child with a dead beat dad um and for them to be not involved at all but I do think there needs to be um more percussions and laws

Daviaaround child support because I think it's very it's so easy to get away with not paying it no it's not my niece's dad didn't pay the first 10 years I'm 23 and my still my dad has never p a dime so

Brian Atlastwo people you guys you guys can say that but there's a robust uh legal system and then it can also be done Civ too so they can go to the court

Brian Atlasor they can go to the there's a specific government agency I for it's evading me exactly but it's like child services or something so you cannot go go them or you can go to court but that isn't

Natashaimmediate you have to go through so so much in the court system to even get to that point yes you do no you don't there's two four seven of us at the how many who has kids who here has attempted to get child support from anybody we

Natashawere the PE the children that needed to be supported there's three out of seven that's half of your table that that needed child support that didn't get that didn't get it did did your parents did your did yeah my mom went through the court system it took her about like

Brian Atlas3 years and my it was for me and my uh twin sister okay my parents what was what what tell us exactly what happened in the court system what ex I know I was

Daviawhen it happened I was really young but like I yeah I think that's like the whole application and then they have to find out where they live or some stuff like that and they have to get their current address especially it's a lot

Daviaharder when the par when the person that left woman or dad whatever um it's also harder when they live in a different state and getting a hold of them and such and all that so like that's feel like that's how my dad got away with it

Melenabecause he moved around a lot it was a similar circumstance he moved to New Mexico and they weren't able to track him down until a year ago when he moved back to Arizona and got a

Natashajob that he was paying taxes on so they started taking it out of the paycheck mhm a job that's not like easily traceable is harder to find my dad the same thing my parents years 32 court appearance custody battle over me so

Natashathat takes years there there was an ongoing cust he wanted to get custody he did he wanted partial custody but he didn't your mom wanted him to have no custody no my mom

Natashawanted to give him partial custody but she wanted him to have evidence of like a stable job or like a stable um living situation otherwise he would have no custody or she no she didn't want him to have no custody she wanted him to have

Natashauh like monitored visitation so that I wasn't in a situation that was unsafe was he an unsafe man wait who was the bread winner my mom who earned more my

Brian Atlasmom so in What scenario if custody was going to be split would the person who's earning less money pay child support to

Brian Atlasthe parent who's making more money did your mom pay child support to him so that he could hold on okay you weren't with him because she wanted to withhold

Brian Atlascustody because he wasn't financially capable even though she was the bread winner and she could have been paying him child support so that in the same way that a lot of women face the scenario where they don't have financial

Brian Atlasresources and they seek the man to bolster their own resources so that they can raise the child your mother ought to have been paying child support to your father so that he did have that safe

Brian Atlashome and have the resources to raise you as the bread winner that would have been Justified with an unsafe man absolutely not well now you're adding another layer to it no but that's but I said that to begin with okay so he was physically

Natashaabusive okay well I mean that's goes beond she had wanted was not no visit or not no custody she just wanted him to have a safe area because he didn't have

Natashaa home that was stable and she didn't want me to be in an unsafe area he lived in a different state once they got divorced and so she wasn't going to just send me at four years old to a

Natashadifferent state to go visit him with no parameters to make it a safe situation for her child how long were they married for uh before me or like in general yeah before you uh two years before me and

Natashathen a year or two years I was two when the divorce finalized they separated when I was one and a half when did the physical violence start immediately when you when like I was a

Natashayear and a half to it started after you were born with me the physical violence with me do you remember any of this yes of course I mean when you were one or two

Natashayears old no I I remembered the court situation and all of the custody things cuz that happened you remember the court situation or this violence no the court situation you said you remembered the

Natashaviolence okay then I misspoke I said the court situation they went through a very long custody battle after they filed for divorce to get custody of me my mom wanted to have me in a safe area so that

Brian AtlasI still had a relationship with my dad but that I wasn't unsafe and so what was she asserting the bare minimum what what was she asserting about his conduct was he striking her no it was me I just said that he was

Natashahe was hitting you I don't think we need to go in the specifics of it it was a physical altercation and it was with me like he he was hitting you I just said twice I we don't have to get into I don't need but it was violence is what you're saying

Brian Atlasyes and so if you have a 2-year-old that that is happening too would you want them in that unsafe situation look I don't know the details of it what I do know that is very common

Brian Atlasin custody to disputes and this is more so something that women do is they will manufacture uh either uh claim that the

Natashamale parent is either physically if there's things showing and there's photos then obviously not maybe that's the case is true I do have friends that the man you know he

Jakegoes through custody battles all the time because his ex-wife is you know saying things that happen to I've seen it a million times as well but it doesn't mean that we don't know all of them I never said that I'm just saying

Jakeit does it does happen was was he ever physically violent towards your mom look if you don't want to talk about it I understand it does seem

Brian Atlasuncharacteristic though for physical violence to be directed at a child but not a spouse I don't know the details a lot of people in a custody

Natashadispute say things this was absolutely not a fabricated thing if that's what you're trying to inate well there's no way for us to know but yeah well I mean there is a way for us to know because there's documentation and photographs

Brian Atlasand doctors testimony so absolutely there is a way to know okay I mean it's I mean I'll take your word for it then your father was a a sick

Jakeindividual if he was physically violent with a baby and if that is the case if there is like actually stone gold evidence for it then there should not be any custody I don't know why know why want visitation I don't know why your

Natashamom would I would be like if if my that's why my mom had said that she wanted me to know he existed but she didn't want it to be in a situation where I was ever alone with him that I could have monitor visitations with an

Brian Atlasagency was there a police report yeah there's okay was he was he arrested was there a prosecution yes there was prosecution okay all right then okay um good talk that

Brian Atlasgot abortion child abuse we're really hitting all the hot button issues huh we have a couple chats here that came in I'm going to get to those apologies for the delays guys and I have

Unknownto no no donated $100 good to know women are yet more concerned about ridding themselves of babies instead of taking responsibility

Brian Atlastry closing your legs girls good to have the whatever po back very negative opinions towards deadbeat dads but I mean if you were to

Brian Atlasask a dead dead beat dad which is a spin on like a man whose circumstances might not be ideal financially what we what we mean by that though because when you say dead be dad I tend to think somebody who

Jakeis intentionally not wanting to be in the child's life somebody who was pushed out by the mother or somebody who's just run fallen on hard financially or somebody who just doesn't earn much well I think defining our terms is is

Jakeimportant here I mean it's probably a bit of an umbrella term that could cover some of those things or all of those things I think one of those guys who's got like multiple like different sort of women that he's intentionally sort of like not being there for like you know

Jakeyou see this a lot in the black community with like uh like the single mother rate stff you're cancel bro oh it's true it's a massive single mother it's like 75% but I don't think that women would intentionally push out a man

Brian Atlasso they could be a single mother no wom away hold on women push away all the time not even with children just in relationships but I don't think that like they intentionally mean like oh yeah I'm going to be a single mom now

Jakeyeah like no no one wants to be a single mom I no one wants to be a single mom if if there if there if if a woman has like a vindictive streak about her and she sees a way to get back at the man say he went and like was sleeping with a

Jakeyounger girl for example and she sees a way of getting back him as not letting him see the child that that is a very realistic situation happens regularly also incarceration is a big number in

Trinidad / BNAthe black male like in the black community so a lot of the times sometimes those men don't get a chance to be a father because and then a lot of the times it's a lot of Injustice in those situations well the biggest

Jakeproblem that you guys have got is the welfare system because since the uh welfare system came to be in the 1960s with Linda Maes Johnson the single motherhood rate has gone from 25% to 75% because they're actually incentivized to

Trinidad / BNAtell the government that they have a daddy home yeah I agree with that too so on the whole dead be dad thing though uh

Brian AtlasI it's just interesting to me because if the guy let's say he's not he doesn't want to be a father he doesn't want that responsibility he's

Brian Atlasnot financially in the place where he can take care of the kid like all you guys say these guys are are clowns but like are you prepared the same statements that you made about dead be

Brian Atlasdads will you say that about women who abort their child like you have to make the same statement like let's say the these women and most abortions are not ready just

Brian Atlasnot ready don't want to go through the pregnancy don't want to be a mom not financially capable that's like 99% of abortions you have to make that same Claim about the women who get the

Trinidad / BNAabortions well not really because they don't have a kid that's here every day for the rest of their lives that they have to take care of a human that you're raising emotionally put theid out of

Melenatheir misery yeah what are you talking about I'm saying like someone not paying innocent child has even years of like misery what do you mean what like people come from Bad situations and make

Melenasomething good of their life all the time I agree it's an absurd thing to say they're putting them out of their misery I'm saying I wouldn't say the same thing about a mom aborting yeah because they're not putting their child through

Jakesomething horrible for 18 years I think women can so you think that it's better to kill the child instead of have them overcome the situation of of having a like a not a two parent home um

Melenapersonally I wouldn't um but like I think they should he said putting them out of their misery I think that would be a name not great reason to have an abortion but if that's their choice yeah

Callieyeah you got something yeah I think if you got pregnant you would not let women decide what to do with your body you'd be like oh hell 9 months in my balls you would never be talking about this let me just tell you let me tell you this if I

Jakeif I had a baby in my balls I'd take that thing to term and I'd spit it out my pee hole yeah right I would and then if right you think that I'd kill the baby I mean you wouldn't be pregnant for

Jake9 months you guys can't even get your periods that's how fragile no we actually don't get out periods but what we do do is we work all of the most difficult jobs in the world we work all of the most dangerous jobs in the world

Jakewe do all the dying in war and we appreciate it all the time yeah just let us just let us control our bodies thank you you appreciate it but here you are saying that maybe we're not we're not Tough Enough To I think that if we can

Jakebe Ice Road Truckers and if we can go and die in ditches in war pretty sure we can have a few little mood swings from being pregnant and having an our period I think we'd be okay I think we need we need to Ry you need to get that one

Brian Atlasstimulator for the period cramps bring that on your podcast I mean this whole like pregnancy is the most painful thing ever uh there's what is it kidney stones like women who have been pregnant and

Brian Atlasthen women who have had kidney stones from women themselves report that the pain is just as if not worse than pregnancy and men get kidney stones my

Callieunderstanding is it's a little bit more painful for men than it is for women try getting trench foot see how you yeah trench foot why why you guys suffer so much poor little babies poor little baby

Jakeyou have to go through a little pregnany the and the money and the big you have to have a little baby you have to have a little blood coming out of you for a little for a few days a week but you have to real what what a baby does to a

Jakewoman's body yeah exactly it literally does you know what trench foot does to a man's body you have to cut that thing off look at World War I and World War II there look at the war in Russia and ukra

Brian Atlasthat is we're not in World War II anymore right you know what World War II was a long time ago women not being able to vote was also a long time ago so it doesn't matter also slavery was a long time ago so it doesn't matter right no

Natashano no no go ahead slavery was a long time ago so it doesn't matter say it the percentage of men who have had trench foot in the last 20 years to the amount of women who have had babies is

Brian Atlasnot statistically sign hold on I'm exploring your claim take your logic to The Logical conclusion see where it goes hold on so

Brian Atlasyou said because Jake here brought up World War I World War II C catastrophic tens of millions of male deaths very few

Brian Atlasfemale deaths so you said well World War I World War II so long ago doesn't matter tell me slavery was a long time ago it doesn't matter right that's not

Trinidad / BNAcomparable it's hold on World War I and World War II no offense to French foot vers slavery fighting in World War I and World War II comp saying here like a 100

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