MELTDOWN?! Heated Debate w/ Feminist! Men Must WORSHIP Women?! She IS The Table?! | Dating Talk #225

Date: 2025-02-03

Duration: 7h 25m

Guests

Brian Atlas

NNatasha Alandy Shaw >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Davia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Jill(guest)

SPEAKER_04Trinidad / BNA(guest)

SPEAKER_05Melena(guest)

SPEAKER_06Natasha(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Jake(guest)

SPEAKER_14Callie(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteNatasha introduces herself: personal trainer, LA Clippers girl, triple major

“my name is Natasha alandy Shaw I'm 30 from woodier in Los Angeles California I'm a personal trainer and a LA Clippers girl and I have a Bachelors and classical music uh Child Development and education triple Major”

QuoteBNA (Fifth Dimension Princess) drops a freestyle bar on the show

“I fell in love with you in the metaverse I could hold your Glock on in my fendy purse”

ControversyNatasha refuses to engage with Jake's 50-women job interview hypothetical, says she wouldn't do it

“I personally don't like that strategy at all”

QuoteCallie's quote on the decreasing value of female sexuality in hookup culture

“you know how stock the stock market is just like when something goes too much it loses value the vagina now is just like a frisbee”

ControversyAbortion debate - Natasha clashes with Jake over heartbeat definition and bodily autonomy

“I think that besides the fact that a science as scientists might say that science is so devalued in society now because men make the decision based on their emotion”

QuoteCallie reveals she was forced to have an abortion 10 years ago which broke her mentally and led to shaving her head

“I was forced to have an abortion and ruined my life like mentally emotionally I shave my head now people think I'm a lesbian”

ControversyBrian accuses Natasha of stonewalling after he 'checkmated' her on the World War II/slavery argument

“you knew I checkmated you and then you created this boundary to try to be evasive and not admit what I was talking about”

QuoteBrian rates himself 5/10 on looks, citing potential baldness, weight, dandruff, big nose

“I'm losing a little bit right here lot of stress it happens you know losing it I could lose like 30 40 pounds big nose pale dandruff”

QuoteCallie accuses Jake of being gay because he keeps defending men and praising them

“Why are you guys so into men are you gay like you're like men are the fucking”

QuoteJill reveals her father was physically violent with her as a baby, leading to police report and prosecution

“there was prosecution okay”

ControversyCallie meltdown - women are superior, they give life, she says men cannot love unconditionally

“women will always be superior women will always in which way we give you life if it wasn't for us you would be talking”

QuoteCallie jokingly claims body count of 655, says Dominicans go hard since age 14

“655 I'm Dominican we get around since we're like 14 we go hard we go hard on the paint”

ControversyMan or Bear: Callie picks man but argues 50% of men would assault, Brian compares to racial profiling

“I chose some man because even if he tries to like saay me or kill me I think I can take him over a bear”

QuoteBrian argues gender wage gap is explained entirely by female mating pressure on men to be providers

“my argument is the wage Gap is explained by the fact that women put a social and mating pressure a mating pressure on men that doesn't exist on you”

ControversyCallie demands to leave, claims 8 hours of abuse and woman-bashing on the show

“I just want to drive two hours to my home for eight hours you've talked about how bad women are”

QuoteCallie bows to Brian on camera after he says he wants women to bow to him (showing dominance)

“equality don't you love it you feel you feel good”

ControversyFinal escalation: Callie says she'd rather die alone than be with a man like Brian, says show is man-hating

“after this podcast I want to die alone like that was my biggest fear but now I want to make millions of dollars and just get a doll”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian introduces all 7 female guests and Jake. Each states name, age, location, occupation, and education. Includes Trinidad playing her music video 'Running Up Racks'.

Relationship Status & Dating History

Round-robin on relationship status, longest relationships, who initiated breakups. Includes discussion of Jill's marriage/divorce, Natasha's never having a relationship, Trinidad's international roster, Callie's marriage and engagement.

Jake's Job Interview Hypothetical

Jake poses a hypothetical: if 50 other women compete for the perfect man, how would you sell yourself? Discussion reveals most women wouldn't engage with the premise. Davia claims to be a dominant woman. Discussion of Mufasa as benevolent leadership archetype.

React: Ghosting & Long Text After 2 Dates

Panel reacts to TikTok of woman being ghosted after 2 dates and getting a long message. Discussion of ghosting etiquette, women sharing intimate details about hookups with friends, men vs women handling relationship conflicts (reputation destruction vs physical).

Deadbeat Dads & Child Support

Discussion of deadbeat dads, child support enforcement, welfare system incentives for single motherhood. Brian draws parallels to abortion choices. Multiple panelists have personal experience with absent fathers. Natasha reveals her father was prosecuted for domestic violence.

Abortion Debate

Extended heated debate on abortion rights. Natasha argues pro-choice with heartbeat caveat. Jake argues life begins at conception per biology. Brian explores legal paternal surrender. Discussion of rape exceptions, bodily autonomy, when does life begin.

Self-Ratings Round (1-10 looks)

Stiffler from chat requests ratings. Natasha=8, Trinidad=10, BNA=11, Callie=11 (naked)/6 (clothed), Jill=6, Melena=5 (then said 8), Davia=10. Brian rated himself 5/10. Brian then asks panelists to rate him: Natasha=6, Jill=5, Trinidad=7, Davia=6, Melena=5, Callie=9 (total), Jake=N/A.

Dating Apps & Hypergamy

React to TikTok women complaining about men who match them on Hinge being 'below their league'. Discussion of women's inflated self-perception on dating apps, hypergamy, alpha widow effect, women dating above their league for sex but unable to lock down commitment.

What Men Bring to the Table / Women ARE the Table

Extended debate on Natasha's position that women don't need to bring anything to the table beyond their presence. Brian challenges this. Jake argues women should demonstrate wife qualities. Discussion of what high-value men actually want.

Traditional Relationships vs Feminism

Jill's conservative Christian pre-show notes discussed: dating to marry, submission, unconditional love, marriage. Jake argues marriage is obsolete from secular perspective. Brian's anti-marriage positions challenged by Jill.

Pegging Story / Callie's Trauma

Callie shares traumatic story of walking in on a man she was dating getting pegged by another woman. Revelation about forced abortion 10 years ago that caused mental breakdown. Shaved head as result. Discussion of pegging culture in LA.

Body Count, Promiscuity & Virginity

Discussion of female body count as disqualifying factor for marriage-minded men. Jake: any one-night stands = auto disqualification. BNA/Melena reveal double-digit body counts mostly from younger years. Brian explains min-maxing approach to redemption. Callie claims 655 then backtracks.

50/50 Relationships & First Date Paying

Discussion of who should pay on first date (unanimous: the man), 50/50 relationships (mixed views), and gender wage gap as explained by female mating pressure on men.

Men's Types & Ideal Partners

Round-robin on each guest's ideal partner type (looks and values). Natasha likes big athletic foreign men (Aussies/Kiwis). Trinidad likes tall dark handsome athletes. Callie wants dominant non-intimidated man. Jill wants average conservative Christian man. Davia wants Asian men. Jake wants Christian submissive woman. Brian likes petite women, natural.

Minimum Income & Height Requirements

Brian asks minimum yearly income requirement for future husband: Natasha=$150k, Trinidad='equal or more', Callie=$200k (wants man who makes less than her), Jill=$70-80k, Melena=$80k, Davia=$80k. Height minimums discussed. Brian confirms he prefers short women.

Man or Bear in the Forest

Classic 'man or bear' question. Natasha picks bear (50% of men would assault), Callie picks bear, others mostly pick man. Heated debate about men's nature, assault statistics, and whether the fear is rational. Brian draws racism parallel with race-based fear.

Women's Oppression & Equal Rights Debate

Statement: 'women have equal rights to men in USA' - Natasha disagrees. Discussion of wage gap, presidency, abortion as oppression. Brian counters with Selective Service, circumcision, incarceration disparities, child support as male oppression. Includes voting rights history infographic presentation.

Gender Wage Gap Debate

Extended debate: Brian argues wage gap is explained by female mating pressure on men (women want men who earn, this motivates men to earn more). Natasha partially concedes. Discussion of who should pay on first dates and the contradiction of complaining about wage gap while expecting men to be providers.

Roast Session / Closing

Chat roast session with $20 TTS. Panelists take off makeup with wipes. Callie gets most heated, claims 8 hours of woman-bashing. Final thoughts, outro, raid to Peekaboo IRL on Twitch.

Transcript

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Trinidad / BNAmillion people died I I understand that but how many out of that that fought were actually women cuz if 100%

Brian Atlaswere just to be clear you think us slavery is like a has had a bigger impact on society than World War II here

Brian Atlastry to listen World War II trench foot is one component of World War II and World War I all of World War II which is worse everything that was is

Brian Atlasinvolved with World War II or just us-based slavery go ahead which one's worse that's not what we were discussing it's literally yes it is no we were comparing pregnancies and trench foot we

Jakeare not comparing slavery here's what happened I said that trench foot was something that was exclusively I use it as an example right because I tell you what's worse than trench foot getting blown in half by those World War II bullets that would actually a fair bit worse because you actually did so we

Jakewere comparing that and saying that and she was saying oh poor little men have to get trench foot and go and die war and then we said oh well poor women you guys have to just have a little period for a few months and be in a bad mood when you probably don't even need to to

Daviabe honest but how do you know that oh there it is how do you know you build your whole personality around you don't know Jacob you do not literally have like Okay so let's say example women

Daviahave periods but let's say also that women that take birth control to maintain the periods and their hormones that they process to their bodies have you ever read the side effects on a birth control package and how many side effects there are and literally just to

Daviacon of a women's hormones because of their period for me I I take birth control because I have my literally I have an iron problem so if I Contin my period like it literally I my blood flow let me literally let me literally tell you something literally let me literally tell you something literally literally

Daviaif you don't have sex you literally won't have to take the birth control no I know I literally I just stated the fact that I take work control because of my actually true I literally just before

Brian AtlasI lost I'm not going to listen I'm not going to let you weasel so there are so many other reason that's cool so you said these are the

Brian Atlaswords you said so I'm contending stop be quiet so you look I was very clear at the beginning of the show not to be doing like cross talk one microphone at a time we got to have good discipline

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to the microphones anyways back to this I heard I was listening to you very closely you said you didn't say trenchfoot was a long time ago you said World War I and yes you did you said World War I World War II was a long time

Natashaago that's literally what came out of your mouth and then I followed It Up by saying the amount of men who have had trench foot in the last 20 years compared to the amount of women who have been pregnant in the last 20 years is not statistically significant enough to

Natashacompare which was the original argument but hold on the first half of that sentence was about World War I the entire sentence included what we were

Brian Atlasdiscussing okay you realize trenchfoot while there is to some degrees like in the Ukraine war there is some degree of like Tren trench warfare trench warfare was like predominantly a World War I uh

Brian Atlasscenario and to some degree in World War II so you said well what about the trench foot the past 20 years uh not really a major concern when it when it

Brian Atlascomes to global conflict you said World War I World War II long time ago okay so just because something happened a long time ago doesn't M mean that it doesn't have like lingering

Brian Atlasimpacts the whole world is completely different because of World War I and World War II great I agree okay that was were discing you were

Brian Atlastrying to like say oh well these things happened a long time ago doesn't matter that was your position no that wasn't my position at all I mean then why then why bring up oh because you're trying to

Brian Atlasdownplay it why bring up that it happened so long ago because that's do you want a more recent example sure okay the Ukrainian War which is currently ongoing all the women could leave the

Brian Atlascountry all the men had to stay that seems like an injustice doesn't it from A system that men set up a what do you mean a system that men

Brian Atlasset up who made rules of war men humans what does it have to do with men wait hold on just to be clear so if if most people in power are men but that only

Brian Atlasrepresents 0.00001% of the population then men Des 1% of the population the men in power the kind of power that you're talking about how many how many Russian males are there versus how many putins

Natashaare there right but the system is still set up by men and so you're complaining about a system how do you know it has to do with the because they're men because that is the they happen to be men if

Jakethere was can I just ask one question if there was a system that was set up by men and exclusively by men that made men walk into a hole that was going to be to bury them and kill them right and they just were walking into there all day

Natashamillion of them died but it was set up by men would it be unfair I okay is that unfair to men versus men women is that AR would would it would it be unfair to the men who that was happening to I mean if they're

Natashadying sure it's unfair to anybody who dies so it doesn't necessarily about if there's a guy in Power who who set it up no I'm saying if you're complaining about rules that affect men but the rules were set up by

Natashamen what do you expect that's who set up the it's not not women being unfair to men and saying let me make these rules to disqualify you know what the funny thing is that men are actually so uh

Jakebenevolent when it comes to this sort of thing because if they wanted to they could conscript women and send them off to the front lines to die but instead you know what they send off other young men other 18 19 20y old young men to go

Jakedie hundred about the system but then you're justifying it what do you mean I'm justifying it how am I justifying it you're saying that men do this no I'm just talking about from the female perview from the Fe female perview you can say that it's all it's all men who set it up but also it's men who take all

Natashaof the responsibility and it's all men who are dying in it as well they take all of the resp they have all the judies when it comes to war right but that's the system that you're were complaining about two minutes ago and I said how are you complaining about

Brian Atlasit if men are the ones that set up the system wait do you just to be clear do you think infinitely complex geopolitical conflicts it all just boils down to oh a man like a man happened to

Brian Atlasbe in position of power like if a if if a bad thing happens if a bad thing happens and it happens to be a man who was in a position of

Brian Atlaspower it's like somehow the men who are negatively impacted by that is it's not as severe because a man in position of power no that's not what I'm saying why

Natashawhy don't we also like why do we look at it in that way like what are you trying to communicate by saying well who set that system up well because you are you victim blaming no you're complaining

Natashaabout the system but I'm saying that men set up that system so if you're complaining about the system that's what was set up by men I mean this seems like to be a bit of a logical fallacy uh what's your

Brian Atlaspoint like I just said my point are you saying this is just I mean but are you saying that the grievance is of less concern somebody else something oh

Brian Atlasyou're just going to disengage I mean I said it several times but you keep ask asking me the same questioning that I'm getting a different response I'm not asking you I've literally asked you a different question are you trying to

Brian Atlassuggest by pointing out well it happens to be a very small minority of men who had some degree of power supposedly set the system up of course ignoring well of

Brian Atlascourse ignoring certain biological and evolutionary realities uh what are you ultimately trying to get to that any grievance so the if the grievance this

Brian Atlasindividual or group of people shares a gender shares a sex with the individual or individuals that set that system up their grievance should not be taken as

Natashaseriously is that what you're getting at I've said several times that I mean I'm asking you a different question is but on the same topic that if it's a man

Brian Atlasmaking a decision for men then it shouldn't matter is what you're saying I'm asking Maybe it doesn't matter as much what what are you trying to communicate by saying but

Brian AtlasMen set that system because men complain about the system that they themselves set up so if they didn't like the system then why wouldn't they have changed it hold on so just to be clear you think like 18-year-olds who are drafted into

Brian Atlasthe military have like the political Capital to change the system no but the system was still set up by men so what did they not complain they can complain

Jakemen can complain yeah of course okay do you think that Warfare and conflict and tribalism is a part of human nature or do you think that it's something that men do Warfare in general warfare and tribalism I think it's a I think it's

Jakehuman nature right so do you think that if there were women in power if we were just all of a sudden run by Queens even though they wouldn't be able to enforce anything if we were run by Queens then do you think that there would be no war

Natashait would be sort of John lenon no I don't think there would be no war but I do think that the way that men handle conflict versus the way that women handle conflict is very different so I think if women were quote unquote

Jakerunning the road there would be more communication and probably less casualty you think there you think that there would be less war if if it was uh up to women yes I don't think War would be non-existent but you think the girls would just have a chai latte and just

Natashatalk it out no I didn't say that at all there's a two ends of the spectrum but I do think women are more communicative and Men technically usually are more physical so they handle conflicts more physically

Natashawomen usually handle conflicts with emotion and

Brian Atlascommunication you don't have to agree I mean that's just so I mean what's your prescription though so you're saying okay uh men complain about war well

Brian Atlastough because Men set that system up like what is your actual prescription exactly what I

Jakesaid I I mean I didn't really hear a prescription she's that women should run things we should have a matriarchy and that all get together with the girls and have a child out day and they' why this like so hyper focused on me for every

Jakequestion though it's a little bit strange it's because when we ask you to actually State your position you just go you like look around give like weird face and and say I I I already said that you can just say it again maybe in a more maybe we're too stupid to understand so just said that's not true

NatashaI've said the same thing on abortion several times and it was just a runaround I've said the same thing on this topic and it's just a runaround so we I'm exploring your worldview I'm not repeating questions no you're speaking

Brian Atlasdown on it is what you're speaking down on what it seems like you're speaking down on us you're you're dismissing genuine male grievances by simply saying by using the Apex fallacy oh this

Brian Atlas0.001% of men who do have power meanwhile the average man has absolutely no power in fact the average man tends to Faire worse than the average woman and then if you look at the bottom rungs

Brian Atlasof society most men occupy the absolute worst outcomes in society whereas women in general tend to have like a a higher standard of living the average

Brian Atlaswoman does than the average man so you might look at the the man and the uh the CEO or the executive or the really rich guy and you think that that's the

Brian Atlasexperience of most men or all men but it's an apex fallacy it's a very very small percentage of men that enjoy any

Brian Atlassort of supposed or alleged privilege most men live unremarkable lives most most women have average women compared to average men have far more privilege

Brian Atlasin a myriad of different ways you can agree to disagree I'm not going to agree to disagree explain to me the worst outcomes that women face as compared to the worst outcomes that men

Brian Atlasface for example exhausting I mean it's just on me like this is very strange there are six other people at the table if any of the other girls want to jump in with a like coherent argument I'm happy to hear it but so far you're the only one that's biting so that's what I

Brian Atlashave to go off of when it comes to homelessness for example do you care to take a guess at the percentage breakdown of homelessness between men and women I think somebody else can take a guess okay well I'll just tell you then 80% of

Brian Atlashomeless are men this to me seems like it would be a worst life outcome so how do we reconcile this amazing privilege that is bestowed upon men I assume you believe

Brian Atlasin the patriarchy how could it be the case that there's this patriarchy that exalts and raises men up and they have this Fantastical privilege and their

Brian Atlaslives just go splendidly without any issue but all of the worse negative life outcomes drastically disproportionately impact

Natashamen I mean just are you you just want to concede the argument I'll move it on if you just want to concede but I've said this now the fourth time somebody else can talk this is like the hyperfocus is strange somebody else can

Brian Atlasbite okay what if they're not willing I mean I'm literally going off of your own positions because okay we are exploring your your statement of of who set that system up so I'm

Brian Atlasexploring that worldview that's why I'm talking to you none of the other panelists forwarded that

Brian Atlasworldview is this is this the like healthy you you know what stonewalling is is this what you do in a relationship no oh okay all right I mean you're doing it live on stream like this is a boundary that I've said several times

Brian Atlasfocus on somebody else I'm literally you've agreed to come on like a discussion show right and I've explained my stance several times and you're asking I'm not I'm not asking you to repeat it I've literally forwarded

Brian Atlasdifferent questions and positions for you to like either try to rebut or contend with can I add something I'd love that all right she's going to I'm just going to say she concedes the argument then go ahead okay well so my

Trinidad / BNAum I wanted to add something cuz uh I you can correct me too if you know I'm totally off or whatever but I think where she was getting at with that

Trinidad / BNAcomment was going back to a earlier discussion about the abortions and how men shouldn't have a say so on women's body even though Men passed that law to

Trinidad / BNAhave a say so on women's bodies like them being able to have abortions so moving like forward into this conversation she's basically just like going back to that like well men made those laws the same way like we don't

Brian Atlasfeel men should have a say so on women's bodies and what women do wait hold on something like that women are there's a massive amount of conservative women who are part of the electorate and you have women on the Supreme Court you have

Brian Atlasfemale politicians Senators Etc like would you guys be okay like let's assume and actually I think the majority there's more Women Voters than there are male voters so if the majority of women

Brian Atlasvoted to ban abortion and and if I if I said uh you guys who are choice if I was like oh well who set up that system there's a majority of female voters okay

Trinidad / BNAand that's exactly where she was like going with the like War thing and that's completely okay if you said that like my standpoint is I'm a very different woman compared to the women that are on that panel like I'm a minority I'm younger

Trinidad / BNAlike these are like really old like you said like conservative white women who are making like he said there's a lot of um not two parent home in the black

Trinidad / BNAcommunity is more known in that Community than y'all's and stuff so like for us if we don't if we know this man is not going to stick around or do this like and we're like oh okay I want to

Trinidad / BNAhave an abortion so I don't raise my kid in a one person you know household maybe that's their standpoint I'm just I'm not speaking for myself but

Callieyeah I don't know if you get that but can I just say can I add if if it was the sadistic was was 50% men 50% women homeless would you guys be happy with

Daviathat no you probably won the the men lower and then the women higher I don't want anybody homeless okay good it just feels like but homelessness is their by their choice there's like jobs literally

Daviathere's homeless people like what do you mean like it's like men be like [ __ ] be a man and go get a job like what the freak men are homeless why the hell are they sitting on their ass voting sign put big fat l in the chat for dark if

Daviayou have saying you literally you literally homelessness is different too because wait so if if a woman's homeless it's also her choice yes no no it's literally any homeless person bro they literally chose that lifestyle like we just saw a

Jakehomeless person at a gas station I laughed at them like get up bro you're sitting in front of a gas station that has a hired sign in the window homelessness is you understand that if there are certain societal conditions there is going to be homelessness like if you have a certain unemployment rate

Jakeand if you have these mental health epidemics that you're having in the United States where there's so much prescription drugs every where and if you close down all of your mental institutions like they've done in California which is just an absolute [ __ ] hole by the way um then you're

Jakegoing to have a bunch of homelessness so there's conditions that actually but how do you get out of homelessness like I don't know why we're talking about homelessness I don't know why we're talking talking about a 60-year-old War veteran who's schizophrenic and

Davialiterally can't get hired anywhere and then they're just on the street then no unfortunately like I said they chose that lifestyle people struggle with schizophrenia all the time and still have a manageable job and still keep it

Jakekeep have a good lifestyle just to just to be clear you're saying that they chose to be schizophrenic they chose to be homeless and not to do anything about it so if someone has such a severe case of schizophrenia that they cannot get a job because in order to have a job you have to be somewhat functional at least

Jakeyou're saying that they still chose that because there are people who are have PTSD is a very serious thing and there there are people who have very very serious forms of PTSD who are homeless on the street this like literally

Jakethere's probably 100,000 of them in California in La alone these people have very very serious conditions and they get no help from their government that they went to war to try and to try and defend their country from and you're

Daviayou're saying that you like you laugh at these people and say get up bro yeah I mean it's like yeah I mean it's like make your you can make you have every option to make your life better bro yeah look you cannot you cannot say I'm wrong you cannot say you cannot Bri you cannot

Natashasit there and say I'm wrong about that a lot of the homelessness in La a lot of the homelessness in La spiked when Ronald Reagan was in pres was the president because I don't know about president shut down so many mental

Daviainstitutions and programs that helped people who needed it and that's what did they result to instead of literally going somewhere where they can provide help they resort to taking drugs and make their life a little bit more harder than it has to be that's how I see homelessness like and I don't see why we

Brian Atlasbrought up homelessness when we're talking about abortions and comparing it to trenchfoot where that like where was that taking a how people get trench foot it's about negative life outcomes but um I mean look look to some degree people

Brian Atlashave agency over their lives but typically the C circumstances which lead to homelessness I don't know if it's so much about I mean look people do make choices and it can lead to certain life

Brian Atlasoutcomes but a lot of these people you know there's like Jake said there's there's um it could be PTSD there could be drug use there could be uh mental illnesses that have led them to certain

Jakeunfavorable life outc I worked for the Salvation Army for two years in a homeless shelter and there was one lady that I remember that when she was a little kid her dad locked her in her house for her whole entire life and then like you know did you can imagine all

Jakekinds of terrible things to her and then she got out and then it was sort of still happening and then she had a child that was a product of the father and her and then this child was like seriously deformed and they were both homeless and I was like some people it's like yeah

Jakeyou have agency in there are a lot of success stories out there but I mean some people are just [ __ ] from from the get-go so all right we have two chats here oh oh is it working chomo

UnknownJones donated $100 the easy way to not have to worry about child support to make sure the guy who knocks you up doesn't leave wow Chromo

Brian AtlasJones yeah I just think it's interesting like y'all would say to the guy who like knocks up a girl and he's got to paid child support for 18 years you'd say oh

Trinidad / BNAyou shouldn't have done that tough luck should have not had sex but like you never say that to a woman who who's like considering an abortion they just say keep your legs closed for women like

Trinidad / BNAabout abortions and stuff like that I know but y'all you guys would take issue with it no they just said it and we didn't have no issue with it we just we laughed about the comment when it popped up M when it said issue with it when it said

Trinidad / BNAkeep your legs close [ __ ] you're right we should have kept our legs closed but hey now yo Chad is there an echo is there an echo on the TTS what's that

Unknownokay cool it's fixed Darkman 42 donated $100 thank States represent women for free for child support collection you go to jail for not paying if you're dodging

Brian Atlasit you're effectively living like you're on the run or only having cash jobs all cope I mean yeah there's there are men who do that they're like evasive with it

Brian Atlasbut if you're like a a normal guy who's getting like a check like you're not working under the table you can evade it you can try to like this guy said you know you work under the table job just

Brian Atlascash jobs like if you're guy who's making 100K a year as a software engineer like good luck evading the inevitable 18 years of child support you're going to have to pay because you hooked up with some girl and she got

Brian Atlasknocked up and you didn't want like you just thought you were having a one night casual encounter she wants to keep the kid she's got you for 18 years okay so what you want her to abort the kid no

Brian Atlasthat's not what I'm here's here's what I think is fair in any state or country where abortion is legal men should be able to say it's called Legal paternal

Brian Atlassurrender you can kill the kid I should be able to abandon it that seems fair yeah I agree in a world if a woman can't get an abortion the men can't opt out

Brian Atlasand they got to pay child support but the current state of affairs is no matter what as the guy what regardless of the abortion laws whether

Brian Atlasthe woman can nuke your kid whatever it is you got PID you making money she goes to the state you're paying child support 18 years if you don't they're there's going to be

Trinidad / BNApenalties and eventually they're going to put you in jail so so go it goes for women too though if women were if like say the man took the child or whatever like say you had a son and you decide to raise the

Trinidad / BNAson and you get granted full custody whatever the woman still has to pay child support in that instance so true I don't see sure I I agree with you that is true however there's two things here

Brian Atlasone men are uh women are much actually three things women are much more likely to uh get a greater degree of custody uh and then in addition to that just based off

Brian Atlasthe data that we have I think it's like 90% of child support payments go from men to women so it's a small minority of women who are paying child support actually four things there's a bias in the court system that's going to more I

Brian Atlasdon't know why you're laughing there's a bias in the court system that more favorably looks towards women versus men in these sort of situations and then the fourth thing is even if the guy is fully within his right to go after the

Brian Atlasbreadwinner woman and get child support men are just naturally less likely to seek it and that's the same with alimony too in the event of a divorce she's the bread winner there is a greater

Brian Atlasproportion of men who are just going to throw their hands up and be like I just want out I don't want your money whereas women are going to have a much greater sense of entitlement women are going to

Trinidad / BNAbe like I feel entitled to this money well you still have the same position or the same entitlement you just don't feel like you need to take um action into it that's not a woman's fault if a man

Brian Atlasdoesn't want to take it he still has I agree with you it's not a woman's fault but it's to the woman's benefit if men are less likely to seek the child support or alimony yeah that's fine but

Trinidad / BNAit's not I'm not I'm not playing a blame game here I'm just looking at the real I agree with you and you're right even though those are the statistics that it still shows that a man can get child or he can I'm not arguing that do that you

Trinidad / BNAknow like it's like it's mama's baby daddy's maybe so that's usually why the court you know goes with the mom because the mom carried the baby you know so you know it belongs to them and stuff sometimes fathers can be like oh well how do I know it's mine then you have to

Trinidad / BNAgo through the paternity test and then you once you discover like okay you are the father now it's going through the court system to you know what what do you want to do as a father do you want you know C custody do you want to give

Trinidad / BNAup your parental rights do you want like what do you want to do in that aspect and then you can move forward from there but I mean that's kind of why they favor the mom over the dad because you know the mom you know it's their baby okay I

Trinidad / BNAmean you're just arguing my position that there's a bias in the court system yeah I didn't say that there wasn't I actually agree with you sure I agree with you but I also you also were saying it like men don't have the option that

Trinidad / BNAwomen have and they do have you said that men throw up their hands and don't go for alimony or don't go for like they're less likely that's not our fault that they're less likely that's that's a that's not my position that I'm not

Brian Atlassaying that it's women's fault what are you saying that's the case what are you saying then I'm just looking at outcomes here

Brian Atlasright cuz you were like well in 10% of cases uh the woman's the bread winner and the guy can get child support and I was like yeah sure of course but it's like we're talk we're looking at

Brian Atlasdisproportionality and differences right mhm yeah but you also said that with the court system no but the original convers the conversation here stemms from like

Brian Atlasso a guy who doesn't want to have a kid for financial reasons or he doesn't want to be a parent he doesn't have a say in the matter doesn't have a choice I okay you have a position on this you're

Trinidad / BNAlaughing so okay I said that I agree with you on that though like that was kind of what going back to mine and his initial discussion about abortion or about like when a man cuz that's what started that

Trinidad / BNAwhole conversation was I said that I wouldn't uh let a man have a final say in every single thing but I will like abortion right yeah like abortion oh you would have let them have a say no I I

Trinidad / BNAsaid I would definitely discuss it with them because I do he can have input yeah so he cuz I do agree with what you said like if a dad told me like if I got pregnant and the father told me like hey look I don't want to have a baby with you I'm not going to be in this kid's

Trinidad / BNAlife and blah blah blah I have all the information I need to say if I want to continue having this baby with him now if he said that and said he's not going to be in the baby's life but me personally I don't agree in abortions then I'm still going to have the baby

Trinidad / BNAbut he's not legally we can set up a legal documentation that says you're legally not responsible financially or anything matter it doesn't matter you can first off that wouldn't be legally

Brian Atlasuh the court would throw that out what you change a year later you change your mind you're like [ __ ] this is hard I need money he's making money whatever

Brian Atlaslegal agreement you have the Court's going to be like we're looking out for the best interest of the child this document you have is unenforceable unenforceable it would not be enforceable and then secondly even if

Brian Atlasyou did have this document if you in some sort of situation let's say you you don't want to enforce it you're like well it's unenforcable but like we agreed to it I'm not going to go to the court if you

Brian Atlasever try to get any sort of government subsidy like like uh welfare welfare EBT EBT food they're going to they're going to be like do you have a kid you're going to say yes and they're going to be

Brian Atlaslike okay we're automatically going to go after the father now and you can't tell them no no no please don't I have an agreement they're like doesn't matter if we're going if we're going after welfare if uh you're filing for welfare

Brian Atlaswe have to go after the dad and get some sort of money from him so even if you have that agreement in place which by the way wouldn't be enforcable at any point maybe it pisses you off you're like [ __ ] you I'm I'mma

Brian Atlasget you're going to pay money to me from now on if you ever have to file for like any sort of uh welfare Healthcare that sort of thing uh government healthare they're going after the

Unknowndad so there's risk there to the man no matter what anyways I do have to move it on uh we have a chat here wrongful rage wrongful rage donated $100 Brian I see you got the big brains

Unknownon panel tonight if skin Hue is important you're a shallow person if that makes you qualified that make your employer an idiot good day ladies I said

Brian Atlasgood day thank you rage appreciate it man uh that's an interesting one we have uh thank you rage though good to see you back man pelagic back in the chat thank

Brian Atlasyou dude zero accountability to who pelagic davia here zero accountability just talking [ __ ] about

Brian Atlashomeless people what the [ __ ] totally rude all right guys $100 TTS like the video guys also go to twitch.tv whatever drop us a follow and a prime sub if you

Brian Atlashave one that's twitch.tv slash whatever and then I do want to give a shout out to uh David champagne dude thank you for the 50 on where is it I think that's

Brian Atlasvenmo thank you for the 50 on venmo man really appreciate it and um keep up the good work thank you so much man appreciate it and then we have a chat here from Stiffler ask everyone to rate

Brian Atlastheir looks on a scale of 1 to 10 you can't pick seven starting with you go ahead eight 10

Melena10 11 period

Brian Atlassix we really can't pick seven nope time baby girl eight davia 10

Brian Atlasadjustable six I give myself a five wow we've got some very we've got 10 10 11 of there uh so you gave yourself the highest rating at the table off the scale um so you are you prepared to say is the

Brian Atlashighest rating that you're the most attractive woman in the room um to me I am maybe not to you guys well don't forget about us we're not going to go there but do you think you're like I

Brian Atlaswant you to say I'm hotter than every other girl in this room say it to me yes I'm hotter than every girl in this room even to you okay yeah even to me the

Brian Atlasonly person that matters really okay how do the girls she's saying she's hot how do you girls feel about that you know look I've been we've been going out at the the men and the women been going at it maybe the women and the women got to

Brian Atlasgo at it for a bit she's saying she's hotter than all of you uggos that's what she's she's like you guys are so she called you all a foot

Brian Atlasall of you you all look like a foot uh is are you girls going to stand for this insult I you stand for this I love that

Trinidad / BNAyeah okay all right I love that insult it's not insulting me it's not insulting what was an insult did she thought she wish I was that confident maybe one of you I think the same about

Jakemyself they'd only be upset if a real 10 said it if a real 10 said it then you guys would be she's a real 10 is she she's a real 11 oh period you think

Jakeobjectively I think everybody different she's absolutely perfect gorgeous amongst the hottest women that have ever lived on plan Earth that's different to everybody mhm but you think so if you if

Natashayou had you and then there has to be women at the bottom as well I don't I mean the most beautiful woman in the world like to me I don't think is any of us no offense including myself so you

Daviathink that she just lied to your face but she literally stated for in her eyes she's 11 yeah for myself she did not claim that we think that yes let's

Brian Atlasput that out there wait question if 10 is perfect for those of you who said 10 or 11 do you still give give yourself a

Brian Atlas10 yes yes perfect perfect more than perfect dark cave is perfect over here yes okay um why you give yourself a

Brian Atlasfive I'm like why you want me to like break it down here it's not higher than five I'm probably going to start balding within a couple years you know I'm losing I'm losing a little bit right here lot of stress it happens to you

Brian Atlasknow losing it I got I lose a bit of weight I could lose like 30 40 pounds um big nose pale

Brian Atlasdandruff but I I I'm tall I'm 6' one so I got that going for me blue eyes but I'm like an average guy I'm an average looking guy I got an average

Brian Atlasface average face when you looked your best what would you have rated you know I saw a video the other day instam oh Daman pull up that old photo of me with I was going to send you the other I saw an old video of you that popped up

Jakeon my Instagram if you walking around pretending you had a boner to girl it was on my you were skinny and you looked like you were going surfing fit yes yeah dude pull it up and then pull up my Instagram after that all right let's see

Brian Atlasyoung Brian show us Young Brian you got that photo I so it's like the I'm in a blue

Brian Atlasshirt yeah pull it up pull it up the what the dog the dog it's a woman

Brian AtlasI'm in the blue shirt no it's not on my Instagram it's in the tabs oh oh yeah yeah okay you I I think I've I've showed it and then we'll go to Instagram then

Melenawe'll go to Instagram afterwards all right is this meaningful this is Young no no freaking way how old are you in this that's you I think I was 21 here there's no way that's

Brian Atlasyou dark lady stop it that's Young Brian we start talking about bling uh wait let's go I think yeah I was like 20 I think I was

Brian Atlas21 pull up the Instagram pull up the Instagram while he's doing that we got Michael Jones ask them what they think 1,000 random men would rate them on average 1 to 10 Camp ex7 okay that's a good idea uh here get the Instagram

Brian Atlasthough real quick and then we'll come right back to it all right this is Young Brian Young Brian you were Surfer yes look at that karate look at yeah pull up

Daviathe karate [ __ ] scroll up Scroll up look at that I was a kid there I was a kid all right you know the red background all right there you go uh

Brian Atlasokay um does that answer so you wear higher and then oh yes I I've just like 25 just

Brian Atlasdownhill downhill but you know what 35 I'm going to go up to a six I'm going to stay there for 5 years and then just every it's it's just going to be downhill at 40 you should take up old

Brian Atlasmate from last show on his offer to get you a program dude I'm working I'm working on it what was his name again Brandon Brandon Brandon um let's oh this this thing here uh okay going around the

Brian Atlastable once more so if if men had to rate you a thousand men what do they what's the average Michael Jones W's in the chat for MJ

Brian Atlasthat's a good question starting with Natasha maybe a still an eight

Trinidad / BNAokay am I these men's type or is like these just you know literally like random men you just if you had to sort of think about the global average like average the global just what men

Calliegenerally tend to lock I'm still going to say a 10 I'll be humble and say nine oh it's so humble so humble that's big of you I don't even want to say I feel

Callielike honestly it's the different if I'm naked I think if I'm naked it's definitely an 11 I'm just saying wait it's what it's 11 it's an 11 but when I have the glasses in the jacket I look a

Callielittle like Betty Betty the ugly or whatever what was what was that soap opera hey I'm hot all right back off wait so um so what do they okay with

Callieclothes on what do they give you I would say like a six okay but closeth off yeah it's nice I'm just close off a little little wig maybe

Callieyou know a little lipstick what so what's the I'm just curious what's what makes it an 11 like is your it's the it's the whole concept of like oh she's wearing a she's cover and she's wearing

Callieglasses and she has a shaved head if I you know put on the wig and the heels and my ass and you know it's nice what's

Brian Atlasnice it yes what is it you the package all together the package of the package yes yeah the whole thing the package yep

Brian Atlasyep the package pack okay so like you're saying like so basically they'll give me a six but then when you have sex with them then they'll give me an 11 it goes

Callieup to an 11 is it because you had sex with them or because they saw me again they saw me naked they saw me without my thing my what do you call this like my

Callieis it Persona I was about okay it's tight yes it's very I thought you oh I was I'm sorry I didn't know what you were going to Big ladyy Manor okay all

Brian Atlasright good talk um all right and then final thing on this thing I guess um oh wait we were going around uh a thousand men probably still six I think they

Daviaagree with eight um I'm like probably I would say I'm not like men's person like based on my personal

Daviapersonality I would say just licks I would say probably like a six oh okay all right so a little downg

Brian AtlasI'm just like you know would it be that hard to just be like you know what I'm average

Melenalooking you know you know what I mean I think I am average looking I said that but you said you were an I think I'm like right above average so I would do seven or wait but I can't do seven so I said

Jakeeight but right above average would be six like five is average oh five six six is I like generally if you look at it t it will operate in a bell curve so at the

Jakevery bottom if you see ones and twos it ruins your day ruins your whole entire week probably and then if you get towards three you get a few more you'd still you wouldn't want to go near them but you wouldn't want to you know but then if you go to like four five and six

Jakethat's where like 80% of people sort of tend to reside and then seven and then 8 n 10 is like where you get to m you know shi's kiss oh by the way Jake I have a I've got beef with you dude okay let's

Brian Atlasgo let's have it out so two three days ago we're gonna come back to this topic though I was on Netflix and I saw um Love on the Spectrum oh my favorite show

Brian Atlasdude I love that show which was first invented by the Australians yes you how dare you that is the best show ever I want you to apologize on behalf of Australians the Australians we've

Brian Atlasliterally invented the boomerang and love on the Spectrum it's so we have we have nothing else my insult you don't like that show it's really frustrating why because I feel like they could cast

Jakeme and I would do really good I would [ __ ] kill it on love is on the Spectrum you would dude I would [ __ ] kill that you would would put you with like a Down syndrome girl and

Brian Atlasyou guys would be sitting there like don't no hey hi I would get along with that that girl who's like oh the animation I didn't watch the Australian

Brian Atlasone the whatever anyways um that was crazy it um we have two tweets two Tik toks to react to that's related to this conversation that I think is important

Brian AtlasDamien can you pull up the uh the next Tik Tok

Unknownreact out and meet new I think I'm finally ready to go out and meet new people I says with Immaculate confidence I was then hit by a plane and pulverized instantaneously sees my matches so pause

Brian Atlasit so she created her Hing hinge account and then she sees her matches uh and so I think what she's trying to communicate here is she's like

Brian Atlaswhoa I have this standard of like what I think I deserve when it comes to a guy's appearance or whatever and but but then the guys who are actively matching her she's like these guys are below my

Brian Atlasleague can you pull it back up really quick because I read the comments and then there's another video on this then the first comment reads it's actually

Brian Atlasput it on window tab really quick for the commentary window tab it's actually traumatic and uh I just want to make sure the audio is okay yo chat can you

Brian Atlashear us in the audio but Ashlin says it's actually traumatic ATP where does their confidence where does their confidence come from how dare a man match with a woman on the dating app uh

Brian Atlasor send a like on a dating app uh es I created an account on a random Sunday night saw my matches and deleted that

Brian Atlasnight I don't have it in me um scroll down uh quite literally the most humbling experience Christina says we think you two should meet I think not

Brian Atlasindicating that she thinks that the matches that she's getting are below her uh let's see the matches I get on the matches I get on him scare

Brian Atlasme uh this other girl says or Haley says dude like where are the hot ones uh scroll down I feel insulted uh scroll down a little

Brian Atlasbit I don't think I'm that shallow but like dang that's from another woman um and then there's another Tik Tok that's related to this if we can pull it

Unknownup and then uh started from started at just 30 because I think she Rambles to say and I know that this is

Unknownawful to say but getting likes and being shown people who are clearly like below your league will give you

Unknownself-confidence issues it really will okay um and vice versa like not getting any matches at all or not getting any likes it all like that is also a

Unknownself-confidence issue that I feel like people shouldn't have to go through oh and for me personally the only time I ever download dating apps is when I feel

Brian Atlaslonely okay PA this last time so she said uh what did she say she said that it's like a a hit to her self-esteem

Brian Atlasseeing like the start from 30 again and while you're doing that um Mary says dating ABA made me so insecure start started at 30 like but

Unknownit's a self-confidence issue too right like and I know that this is awful to say but getting likes and being shown people who are

Brian Atlasclearly like below your league will give you self-confidence issues it really will okay and then I'm going to just read one or two of these chats uh scroll

Brian Atlasdown a little bit here uh let's see um I don't know if there's any really it was mostly I think the comments I think it was the comments in

Brian Atlasthe other one that I thought I thought were interesting but anyways so do you think that these women are actually getting liked by people who are

Brian Atlasway outside their league or are these women delusional as to their standing in the dating Marketplace and they think that they're more attractive than they actually are

Brian Atlasand then they're looking at people who are their who are actually their looks match their looks equivalent and zeroing them out what do you think is happening there I have a question I thought on dating apps you both had to like each

Brian Atlasother yeah that's what I was confused about as well well so on hinge for example if I recall and I haven't been on it in like a year and a half on hinge you can see your incoming likes so you

Brian Atlascan look at their profile before you send a like so it'll show you there's like a like if you're just swiping through the feed M uh I guess you could like at the same time or they've already

Natashaliked you but you can actually look at people who've already picked you so that's what they're talking about okay I've never had that experience like with the app that I was on in order for you to be a match you had to say yes they had to say yes so if somebody was surprised by that that would be strange

Brian Atlasto me you know what I mean because you both had but they're so what they're specifically talking about is there's a feed in the dating apps that they have that it already you haven't necessarily

Brian Atlasswiped yes on them you're they're showing you the people who have swiped yes on on you and I'm pretty sure they're talking about I think she said hinge they're talking about hinge so you

Brian Atlascan see before you like them who's liked you and they're dissatisfied with the people who've liked them because they want to pick they don't want to send a like out first they want to pick amongst

Brian Atlasthe men who've already picked them but they're dissatisfied with those

Trinidad / BNAmen but they can have their preference right if they don't like them they don't think they're cute because I I had Tinder and when I was scrolling it would take me like 500 Scrolls to find like

Natashaone person that I thought was cute like L and sometimes your type might not be their type like the type that you like might not like what you look like

Brian Atlasit goes both ways also women don't dat for looks that much as men do yeah they do they care way women care way more about looks than men y' think y'all

Brian Atlasthink y'all think men are these superal super shallow y'all care way more about you invented the number system we didn't come up with we invented math no the whole who all great inventions of course

Jakethat is true good job oh my God if you treat us good like here get the [ __ ] oh snap some people like that no I think that when it comes to this conversation though it's like if you look at it from the guys who are like up the very top

JakeEchelon they're going to be able to pick apart women a lot more as opposed to women will I think will pick the men apart a a lot more in general but if you get a guy who's like sort of bottom 60%

Jakeof of men in terms of that see look how domestic she is no it's terrible job more awful job spilled a whole bunch I know I'm sorry guys but if you yeah like I was saying that if you get a guy who's

Jakelike like bottom sort of 50% he's generally just going to want a girl who's cute you know and then there are other things and then with the guys who are who are even in the top percentile they're going to look at very different

Jakethings than just looks you'll often see very successful guys who with an adjustable SE right yeah because if if if a woman is is like and this is bad but like if a woman is above an eight generally they just tend to be completely [ __ ] insufferable with

Jakewith the with the world that they're raised in if they're above an eight like a genuinely above an eight then um yeah the the like the world is just going to reinforced to them constantly their whole entire lives about how pretty they are doors are going to get open for them they're going

Callieto get a lot of free [ __ ] they're going to get offer to be flown all around the world and pretty guys get that too no I mean if you're a successful guy you get that the the hot felon remember that guy that was a convict a murderer and then

Brian Atlasgot hot and like have you ever had an offer for a guy to like fly you out or anything uh when in my 20s yeah I did okay are you

Brian Atlasat when you were in your 20s were you as attractive as the hot felon dude like would you have been able to land the hot felon dude in your 20s mm I don't Oh I thought you were 11 though I mean maybe

Calliein my 20s yeah any I think any guy how can I put this in a PG-13 would [ __ ] you yeah guys don't say no to me

Brian Atlaslike no but here's the thing getting sex from a guy that's not a W for women the W the W is the Ring The W is a long-term relationship Rel right any you can [ __ ]

Callieany guy that's not like a but what I mean is the the Felon guy got pretty boy treatment you know and it's like you guys get it too like average women can

Jakeget that kind of treatment an average girl can get flown out an average girl she puts the right set of filters on her Instagram and she posts the right like bum photos or whatever they post dude I'm going to leave this podcast be like

Jakepoor man I'm going to really tomorrow I'm going to give out [ __ ] to no that's that's too much I'm not going to give them out but if you leave the podcast thinking more about men then I'll I'll consider the position about periods being painful I'm not look at

Calliethat that's that's a good commitment I'm not convinced about it but I think that we can we can come to know what it's like giving have you seen these Tik Tok videos where the girls like after motherhood and they're like wrecked like they show them three months before and

Jakethen 3 months after have you guys seen this like new trend and I'm not sure if like I don't think motherhood does that to you but it seems brutal actually though like the hormones that are released when you're pregnant

Jakeand and everything actually tend to keep a woman young right when she when she has children keep keeps them young you know they're designed to do that designed to have children young so they

Callieare argument is never had have an abortion and it doesn't matter like how old you are who did it just have babies well I would say yes definitely never have an

Brian Atlasabortion I look I'm just the reason I brought those up is those were two examples like that first girl I'm not saying this to be mean she's an average looking girl the second girl a little

Brian Atlasbetter looking than the first one average looking girl I think y'all are gassed up when it comes to how attractive y'all think you are and then the guy who's actually your

Brian Atlaslooks equivalent you're passing him up and it's to me it's just like it's crazy to get up get on Tik Tok and be like oh these men who are

Brian Atlasinterested in dating me I wouldn't even give them a shot when they're your equivalent if you're passing up men who are your equivalent you're just chasing

Brian Atlasafter because here's the thing right remember how I was saying it's easy for women to get sex like you could be an average chick and [ __ ] a really attractive dude he's

Brian Atlasnever going to commit to you he's just going to use you for sex maybe some of you have had that experience you're sleeping with a dude who you want commitment from why isn't he giving it to

Brian Atlasyou probably not like you're you're [ __ ] outside of your league no offense am I wrong I don't know I don't know if you're making the face I don't

Trinidad / BNAknow if you disagree no it was good me but what about how you guys said a man is more commonly going to be with a average six it's like a really attractive D than a woman but that's the

Jakething that women will will tend to be able to look outside of their league and that's the way that women date their hypergamous daters which means that they look above in terms of the social hierarchy because they want a guy who earns more than them is obviously bigger

Jakestronger more competent can look after them can protect them and women and men sorry we tend to be okay with looking down a little bit as long as she respects us and there's a lot that is that is that comes with respect but just

Jaketo to for the short answer as long as they respect us is it like a dominance thing for you guys like you feel like more dominantly you feel like you could lead somebody that's well yeah if you're a woman you definitely should try and

Jakemake a man feel dominant absolutely and even if it's even if it's just in everyday life oh I can't get this from the top even you can get it if you really want to can you come get it for me oh you're so strong all of that sort

Jakeof stuff makes men feel respected and yeah but but this is the thing like dominance can be obviously associated with with negative connotations because you know if you're dominant in a negative way then you're going to be

Jakesort of really horrible and really mean to someone but if you're dominant in a way that you can still have the person's best interests in mind what's wrong with that would you do you want a dominant man oh yeah I do I want a man that can

Trinidad / BNAlead me and so you know like when you were saying that I'm like I think that is why women do tend to look for someone like you said that is in a higher Archy than you know other men or maybe if they see a man that's on their level that's

Trinidad / BNAwhy they're looking like oh he's not really on my level that Mak sense say it again sorry like if they're looking at a man like who they're saying statistically like lookwise Financial

Trinidad / BNAwise whatever y'all are compatible like yall on the same level but women are looking at them like looking down it's because that aspect of wanting someone that's smarter or more financially stable or something like that's going to teach me something to lead the problem

Jakethat it highlights though is that with dating apps this has changed the way that men and in men and women interact in the intersexual Dynamics completely because if you're a woman in the olden days what you would have to do is you

Jakewould have to find a man who's in your town so you would have a much smaller pool of options right but nowadays if you log on to a dating app or if you're on Instagram and you have a an open profile and you post cute photos and you

Jakedo some sort of cursory marketing of yourself then you can have guys from all around the world sort of sliding into your DMs and then automatically that opens up this massive pool and then what are you going to do you're going to look to the very top of that pool to the guys

Jakethat you like the most and be like this is where I stand right this is the guys that I want to date and then anything below that is not going to interest you and then what's worse is that when you get older and you date a guy who you

Jakeconsider below you'll end up thinking you know Kevin's nice but jichael the quarterback he was really good back in back in the day when I was in my 20s you

Jakeknow and it's called being heha widowed you know prob being what Alpha widowed it's when you've experienced the alpha male in the in the past and then you're with another guy and he doesn't have those same sort of traits whether it be

Jakelike sexually or his Charisma or whatever and then you Pine for that guy I think that's honestly a massive reason why a lot of marriages don't work these days is because of the experiences that

Jillpeople have and then they end up pining for somebody in their past or aspect disagree well I think that when it comes to divorces it comes down to the way that men and women are designed and the

Jillway they communicate with each other because women and men they they tend to give what they want to receive and so there there tends to be a lot of like conflict and struggle because men are

Jillexpecting women to and women are expecting men to be a certain way that they're not and they don't try and understand men and then women and men wait hold on can you make it relevant to

Brian Atlashis point yeah because we're just we're having a vague conversation about marriage now he's talking about phenomenon where if a woman because you've only been with two men right so I

Brian Atlasdon't know if you were Alpha I mean the guy you married you were a virgin so you were not in a situation in your marriage to have been Alpha

Brian Atlaswidowed that doesn't make sense to me like as in let me break it down really simply at some point in your past you date a remarkable man maybe he's outside

Brian Atlasof your league he's really good-looking really good in bed he's Rich what whatever the metric is he doesn't give you commitment but you date him for three months any he

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