MELTDOWN?! Heated Debate w/ Feminist! Men Must WORSHIP Women?! She IS The Table?! | Dating Talk #225

Date: 2025-02-03

Duration: 7h 25m

Guests

Brian Atlas

NNatasha Alandy Shaw >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Davia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Jill(guest)

SPEAKER_04Trinidad / BNA(guest)

SPEAKER_05Melena(guest)

SPEAKER_06Natasha(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Jake(guest)

SPEAKER_14Callie(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteNatasha introduces herself: personal trainer, LA Clippers girl, triple major

“my name is Natasha alandy Shaw I'm 30 from woodier in Los Angeles California I'm a personal trainer and a LA Clippers girl and I have a Bachelors and classical music uh Child Development and education triple Major”

QuoteBNA (Fifth Dimension Princess) drops a freestyle bar on the show

“I fell in love with you in the metaverse I could hold your Glock on in my fendy purse”

ControversyNatasha refuses to engage with Jake's 50-women job interview hypothetical, says she wouldn't do it

“I personally don't like that strategy at all”

QuoteCallie's quote on the decreasing value of female sexuality in hookup culture

“you know how stock the stock market is just like when something goes too much it loses value the vagina now is just like a frisbee”

ControversyAbortion debate - Natasha clashes with Jake over heartbeat definition and bodily autonomy

“I think that besides the fact that a science as scientists might say that science is so devalued in society now because men make the decision based on their emotion”

QuoteCallie reveals she was forced to have an abortion 10 years ago which broke her mentally and led to shaving her head

“I was forced to have an abortion and ruined my life like mentally emotionally I shave my head now people think I'm a lesbian”

ControversyBrian accuses Natasha of stonewalling after he 'checkmated' her on the World War II/slavery argument

“you knew I checkmated you and then you created this boundary to try to be evasive and not admit what I was talking about”

QuoteBrian rates himself 5/10 on looks, citing potential baldness, weight, dandruff, big nose

“I'm losing a little bit right here lot of stress it happens you know losing it I could lose like 30 40 pounds big nose pale dandruff”

QuoteCallie accuses Jake of being gay because he keeps defending men and praising them

“Why are you guys so into men are you gay like you're like men are the fucking”

QuoteJill reveals her father was physically violent with her as a baby, leading to police report and prosecution

“there was prosecution okay”

ControversyCallie meltdown - women are superior, they give life, she says men cannot love unconditionally

“women will always be superior women will always in which way we give you life if it wasn't for us you would be talking”

QuoteCallie jokingly claims body count of 655, says Dominicans go hard since age 14

“655 I'm Dominican we get around since we're like 14 we go hard we go hard on the paint”

ControversyMan or Bear: Callie picks man but argues 50% of men would assault, Brian compares to racial profiling

“I chose some man because even if he tries to like saay me or kill me I think I can take him over a bear”

QuoteBrian argues gender wage gap is explained entirely by female mating pressure on men to be providers

“my argument is the wage Gap is explained by the fact that women put a social and mating pressure a mating pressure on men that doesn't exist on you”

ControversyCallie demands to leave, claims 8 hours of abuse and woman-bashing on the show

“I just want to drive two hours to my home for eight hours you've talked about how bad women are”

QuoteCallie bows to Brian on camera after he says he wants women to bow to him (showing dominance)

“equality don't you love it you feel you feel good”

ControversyFinal escalation: Callie says she'd rather die alone than be with a man like Brian, says show is man-hating

“after this podcast I want to die alone like that was my biggest fear but now I want to make millions of dollars and just get a doll”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian introduces all 7 female guests and Jake. Each states name, age, location, occupation, and education. Includes Trinidad playing her music video 'Running Up Racks'.

Relationship Status & Dating History

Round-robin on relationship status, longest relationships, who initiated breakups. Includes discussion of Jill's marriage/divorce, Natasha's never having a relationship, Trinidad's international roster, Callie's marriage and engagement.

Jake's Job Interview Hypothetical

Jake poses a hypothetical: if 50 other women compete for the perfect man, how would you sell yourself? Discussion reveals most women wouldn't engage with the premise. Davia claims to be a dominant woman. Discussion of Mufasa as benevolent leadership archetype.

React: Ghosting & Long Text After 2 Dates

Panel reacts to TikTok of woman being ghosted after 2 dates and getting a long message. Discussion of ghosting etiquette, women sharing intimate details about hookups with friends, men vs women handling relationship conflicts (reputation destruction vs physical).

Deadbeat Dads & Child Support

Discussion of deadbeat dads, child support enforcement, welfare system incentives for single motherhood. Brian draws parallels to abortion choices. Multiple panelists have personal experience with absent fathers. Natasha reveals her father was prosecuted for domestic violence.

Abortion Debate

Extended heated debate on abortion rights. Natasha argues pro-choice with heartbeat caveat. Jake argues life begins at conception per biology. Brian explores legal paternal surrender. Discussion of rape exceptions, bodily autonomy, when does life begin.

Self-Ratings Round (1-10 looks)

Stiffler from chat requests ratings. Natasha=8, Trinidad=10, BNA=11, Callie=11 (naked)/6 (clothed), Jill=6, Melena=5 (then said 8), Davia=10. Brian rated himself 5/10. Brian then asks panelists to rate him: Natasha=6, Jill=5, Trinidad=7, Davia=6, Melena=5, Callie=9 (total), Jake=N/A.

Dating Apps & Hypergamy

React to TikTok women complaining about men who match them on Hinge being 'below their league'. Discussion of women's inflated self-perception on dating apps, hypergamy, alpha widow effect, women dating above their league for sex but unable to lock down commitment.

What Men Bring to the Table / Women ARE the Table

Extended debate on Natasha's position that women don't need to bring anything to the table beyond their presence. Brian challenges this. Jake argues women should demonstrate wife qualities. Discussion of what high-value men actually want.

Traditional Relationships vs Feminism

Jill's conservative Christian pre-show notes discussed: dating to marry, submission, unconditional love, marriage. Jake argues marriage is obsolete from secular perspective. Brian's anti-marriage positions challenged by Jill.

Pegging Story / Callie's Trauma

Callie shares traumatic story of walking in on a man she was dating getting pegged by another woman. Revelation about forced abortion 10 years ago that caused mental breakdown. Shaved head as result. Discussion of pegging culture in LA.

Body Count, Promiscuity & Virginity

Discussion of female body count as disqualifying factor for marriage-minded men. Jake: any one-night stands = auto disqualification. BNA/Melena reveal double-digit body counts mostly from younger years. Brian explains min-maxing approach to redemption. Callie claims 655 then backtracks.

50/50 Relationships & First Date Paying

Discussion of who should pay on first date (unanimous: the man), 50/50 relationships (mixed views), and gender wage gap as explained by female mating pressure on men.

Men's Types & Ideal Partners

Round-robin on each guest's ideal partner type (looks and values). Natasha likes big athletic foreign men (Aussies/Kiwis). Trinidad likes tall dark handsome athletes. Callie wants dominant non-intimidated man. Jill wants average conservative Christian man. Davia wants Asian men. Jake wants Christian submissive woman. Brian likes petite women, natural.

Minimum Income & Height Requirements

Brian asks minimum yearly income requirement for future husband: Natasha=$150k, Trinidad='equal or more', Callie=$200k (wants man who makes less than her), Jill=$70-80k, Melena=$80k, Davia=$80k. Height minimums discussed. Brian confirms he prefers short women.

Man or Bear in the Forest

Classic 'man or bear' question. Natasha picks bear (50% of men would assault), Callie picks bear, others mostly pick man. Heated debate about men's nature, assault statistics, and whether the fear is rational. Brian draws racism parallel with race-based fear.

Women's Oppression & Equal Rights Debate

Statement: 'women have equal rights to men in USA' - Natasha disagrees. Discussion of wage gap, presidency, abortion as oppression. Brian counters with Selective Service, circumcision, incarceration disparities, child support as male oppression. Includes voting rights history infographic presentation.

Gender Wage Gap Debate

Extended debate: Brian argues wage gap is explained by female mating pressure on men (women want men who earn, this motivates men to earn more). Natasha partially concedes. Discussion of who should pay on first dates and the contradiction of complaining about wage gap while expecting men to be providers.

Roast Session / Closing

Chat roast session with $20 TTS. Panelists take off makeup with wipes. Callie gets most heated, claims 8 hours of woman-bashing. Final thoughts, outro, raid to Peekaboo IRL on Twitch.

Transcript

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Natashatell us your name age location occupation education go ahead uh my name is Natasha alandy Shaw I'm 30 from woodier in Los Angeles

NatashaCalifornia I'm a personal trainer and a LA Clippers girl and I have a Bachelors and classical music uh Child Development

Brian Atlasand education triple Major okay and uh you you're from LA right like you grew up there border of La in O in Wood okay LA Clippers girl so you

Natashalike cheerleading okay or is it dance squad or I don't it's like a hype crew so you're like getting the crowd excited passing out t-shirts I did it for the LA Kings for five years I do it for the Clippers this is my third season do you

Brian Atlashave pom poms no we do not have pom poms all right so there it's the what is it called Clippers what LA Clippers girl girl that's your what if you had to on a

Natasharesume what do you put on the resume like a hype Squad hype yeah Squad girl you would just put hype Squad hype Squad yeah hype Squad is that it's different from cheerleaders like they have cheerleaders they have like a dance team they have like a kids dance team they

Trinidad / BNAhave a drum line and then they have like the crew that gets everyone excited all right cool what about you um my name is Trinidad I'm 32 I'm from the Virgin Islands but I live here in La now almost

Trinidad / BNAlike 10 years now okay um I act and I do music all right and uh any college or anything like that oh yeah I graduated it been so long but I graduated um with

Trinidad / BNAa ba in broadcas and media journalistic writing with a minor in photography and psychology for like Child Development which university it was Evergreen State

Brian AtlasCollege in uh Washington state is that the ever is that the same Evergreen Brett wistone yeah I think it is college yeah oh okay they're pretty work over there hey it what they're pretty uh

Brian Atlasliberal yes very liberal it was like a in the nation for liberal arts school when I went there and uh you said you're a musician are you like do you sing you rap what do you do yeah I sing I rap I

Brian Atlaswrite I do reference tracks for people all right and you have like a pretty interesting piercing can you show it that into this camera right here wow okay nice cool was it painful or no and

Jakeso you rap you sing we're we're going to need some bars draw give us give us something I I you need to find a good instrumental for for when these occasions arise Brian one that's not

Brian Atlasgoing to get it demonetized what's that you need to find a good instrumental oh yeah like a royaltyfree yes uh how about drop us

Trinidad / BNAlike a rap or something like can you doy I mean yeah I could freestyle and I could I'm like I just my mind just go so fast and stuff cuz like I started thinking of my song I was about to start

Trinidad / BNAadvertising like go check out my song on YouTube well you know what should we pull it up yeah pull it up can we pull it up is that cool with you yeah that's fine it's called running up rxs I'll I'll find it running running up RX what does that mean if you had to explain it

Brian Atlasto an Australian it means like getting to the money like stacking it up running up rats yeah running up RS okay and what is a rack is it ,000 oh R I thought R I

Brian Atlasthought it was running up rack what's a band the same band yeah and the g is also a thousand there's a lot of yeah that's why you got to stack them up you know run them up okay uh I'm gonna search for your music

Trinidad / BNAvideo but I'm gonna while we're doing that we'll have you introduce yourself go ahead hello everybody my name is BNA also known as fifth dimension princess I'm 27 years old from Los Angeles and

Brian AtlasI'm a personal assistant and I also do music I'm a rapper and a singer okay oh you also have you guys collaborated

Trinidad / BNAbefore should any college anything yes I went to UCSB and I got a Bachelor's in Global Studies okay nice do you also do freestyling no I usually right oh so we

Brian Atlascouldn't get a rap battle wait sorry I missed this uh age again I'm 27 27 okay and you you're you go by fifth dimension princess yes you

Brian Atlasskipped to the fourth dimension went right to The Fifth Dimension what so what's the backstory of the name Fifth Dimension Prince

Trinidad / BNAyeah so I've always kind of like went by Princess like my username used to be 310 princess that's where I was from like that's my area code and then I grew up and kind of really got into spirituality

Trinidad / BNAand just de cited that Fifth Dimension kind of went better for me so just not with it have you have you been to the

Brian AtlasFifth Dimension always always okay and do uh have you been to the fourth yes now is there sixth Dimension there's

Brian Atlasnine I hear there's nine why did you why you stop at five why not go to the ninth it's just the one that that's the one yeah that's and you're the fifth dimension princess yes do you have like um

Brian Atlasany like Powers because of the royalty because you're a princess in the Fifth Dimension like do you have territory yeah the whole Fifth Dimension the whole Fifth Dimension but isn't there like a king and queen or did they die um like

Brian Atlasyour parents my parents you're the princess so your parents are the king and the queen um I just it's more of a name um oh sorry I'm like thinking I'm like way too okay there's not like a

Trinidad / BNAwhole like family lineage or anything like I have you can you drop a bar bars I fell in love with you in the metaverse I could hold your Glock on in my fendy

Brian Atlaspurse wait the Glock in the metaverse will be held in the fendy purse fendy P okay all right that was good I liked itk

Brian Atlasyou I liked it um you must be there agent me yeah the agent producer I wish wait um going to you it's Trend dad

Trinidad / BNAright yes I geeked or do you that that is one of them but it was running I said running up racks running up racks we should okay you could do either one though but in geek I'm going to be the

Brian Atlassecond verse for that one I I collab with my friend on that one sure um here we'll come to that in a sec what uh no hold on hold on hold on go ahead I

Calliethought that was for me I'm like way I'm not a rapper um my name is Callie with a k um I'm from New York um what part uh

CallieSpanish Harlem okay I'm 100 years old no I'm 35 and I went to thank you I went to Art School in New York NYU okay how long

Brian Atlasyouve been in California uh six years now six years okay all right and you said you went to Art School yes okay any like uh

Brian Atlasdid you get the bachelor's is is it the same like in arts or painting or uh it was mostly Film School Film School okay

Jillvery cool what about you my name is Jill I'm live in Pennsylvania I'm 25 and I for work I am self-employed with a

Jillstartup um coffee truck business that I have and I went to school for business bachelors's all right very

Melenacool um I'm Malay I'm 22 I'm a personal training trainer um a raike master and I make Indie music

Brian Atlasall right any college um for personal training yeah okay and uh raiki raiki uh can you demonstrate something um well there can you do it on the micophone

Melenacertain symbols I could show you like one of the symbols to like activate it you're supposed to do choku ray which is like s like a sex act or something and then say hey key would

Melenabe and then you do chuay again and that's supposed to like activate it and start it touch them you what do you do confused um it's like in the air and

Melenathen you would start I usually start with like forehead and then I go from like one hand on the forehead and then focus on each chakra so it's you're not actually touching them you're you're

Melenaabove them um most of the time above them some sometimes I'll touch them but only like below the knees because I find it helpful to like you're not touching them have KNE make any noises or what do

Melenayou what do you have to do um you're just like hovering above and um when you're on like the receiving end of it usually it feels like kind of hot and tingly yeah and they're not touching you nope okay yeah

Brian Atlasinteresting is the audio muted oh I don't know why it's not not triggering um sorry metromat I don't know why I didn't trigger but that's a

Brian Atlasdude but you sent it in five minutes ago so I don't is

Brian Atlassomebody somebody here like uh you know you know what I mean I don't know why it's not that

Daviadidn't trigger I'll fix it um okay davia go ahead um my name is davia I'm

Jake23 I'm a babysitter and I don't go to school all right Jake what about you good to be back Jake 29 years old still a rolling stone uh have a YouTube

Jakechannel rattlesnake TV podcast the reality based podcast Travel Channel rattlesnake travel we've just today released a video of me shooting guns at Andrews Farm which you guys might enjoy and Andrew and I have a show coming out

Brian Atlascalled not one step back so keep your eye out for it very cool very cool all right uh that's everybody's uh intro we're going to get everybody's relationship status here

Brian Atlasso what's your current relationship status if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you go ahead I am single I

Natashahave always been single I've dated in college and after um but never an official relationship so the whole time you've never had a relationship uh what's the longest period of time

Natashathat you've seen a guy the same guy like off and on for like a year and a half almost

Brian Atlastwo okay um how many times was it off and on too many like more than 10 no uh like probably four four times total and

Natashahow long were the breaks typically would they vary in length through yeah uh the first one maybe like two months and then maybe like less than that each time but still like substantial breaks and so

Brian Atlaswhen you said it was between a year and a half and two years was that uh like two calendar years or are you saying like in total that's how long in total

Natashaokay yeah got it okay so this was maybe over the course of three years then no uh like December all the way around and

Brian Atlasthen back to an October so almost two years okay and when it was off who would initiate that

Brian Atlasum both the first time him but sometimes me sometimes him okay uh and then who would be the one reaching back out trying to get back on always him okay

Brian Atlasand uh I guess when you've been single your entire life uh did you call this guy your boyfriend no and you've never called anybody your boyfriend no okay

Brian Atlashave you been proposed to no have uh have you said I love you to anybody no has anybody said I love you to you yes okay the guy several times yes the

Natashatwo-year guy or whatever okay yeah many multiple of multiple men have said I love you yes like seriously though like they they say seriously in a serious

Natashasense yeah for sure and then how do you respond uncomfortably you give them the thanks babe no like thank you for sharing that with me um you give them

Natashathe thanks bab I called it oh thank you thanks yeah and then at that point I usually do end it because if I'm not feeling it I'm not going to say it but I also don't want to lead them on to think that I think at that point you would

Brian Atlasknow if you're almost there or if you're never going to be there and I know that I'm never going to be there with those people with those people okay uh when's the last time you've been I guess not in

Brian Atlasa relationship but involved with a man in a romantic or sexual sense uh probably like two three months two to three months ago yeah okay

Brian Atlasgot it all right what about you can you ask the questions again relationship status if you're single how long have you been single and longest relationship okay so I'm single um for a

Trinidad / BNAfew years now three years four years yeah about yeah three to five somewhere around there cuz like I talk to people between time but you know nothing like where it's uh sure yeah longest

Brian Atlasrelationship like 3 years three years yes ever married no any kids no the three-year relationship who broke up with I did okay and was that the one that

Brian Atlasended like four years ago or whatever yeah all right and uh you're single currently so there's no guys in the

Brian Atlaspicture I mean there's always people in the picture but like yeah how okay what what do you have in the picture currently couple guys no not I wouldn't say like a roster like a I mean I did

Trinidad / BNAhoop but no no no I don't have like a roster I mean I got like my favorite people but like what does that mean like someone that trumps like other people so like if they're around then they're

Brian Atlasobviously going to they get priority yes exactly I there's a hierarchy yes exactly and how many uh how many total people are there like there's your you've got a main piece and some side

Trinidad / BNAside hose I I don't have no main everybody's on the same playing field thought you said there was a high there was like a priority but yeah that's when they're like in like I might like someone number side yeah there's

Trinidad / BNAcuz it's no Rel you have to have like be in a relationship cuz like when you have a main it's like you're in that relationship with them that's your main and then like you're not exclusive right

Brian Atlasis exactly yeah exactly okay and uh but so is it like of the you know some of these guys that you're in a situationship or just kind of talking to

Brian Atlasis it three guys four guys yeah it depends on where I'm at like if you're in like if I'm location here yeah like if I'm in La okay so you got hes different area

Brian Atlascoastes um something like that so how many La cuz you're you live in LA how many La pieces do you have I don't know

Trinidad / BNAmaybe like three or four three three or four okay uh Vegas uh anything in Vegas I actually yeah I probably have somebody in Vegas if I went to Vegas and I posted like you know a story and was like I'm

Trinidad / BNAhere somebody's gonna come out the cut like yo I'm here too boom easy New York New York yeah for sure for sure Miami yes Texas uh yeah actually Montana no

Brian Atlasyou got to step it up you are slacking in Montana get get with the program okay these are rookie numbers um so okay we

Trinidad / BNAgot Miami how many in Miami like Florida is different Miami like one two you're more of like a uh like a what's it called Daytona Beach

Brian Atlasgal like you don't [ __ ] with Miami no I Miami I love Miami like the Panhandle it's just like um yeah just I don't know are you International yes like you got

Trinidad / BNAokay Mexico nothing in mexic I don't have nothing in Mexico nothing in Mexico no nothing in Mexico what countries do you have anything in

Trinidad / BNAEgypt no Egyptians no I used to I used to Dubai Dubai how many in Dubai um two two in Dubai yes you got to keep Paris yeah I love Paris Paris how many in

Trinidad / BNAParis just one just one what just give us the list cuz I'm I'm guessing you know that's so many is it a Frenchman in Paris or a he Arabic in Paris the so

Brian Atlasthey're French Arabic I guess cuz they're Egyptian Moroccan but from Paris oh okay do uh do you have what about the the the different continents like anybody in Asia no I don't think so Russia well

Trinidad / BNAwait this military count they might be in Asia like in in okaba or something yeah I think like Japan or something like that yeah so that that counts they're military so that counts they're not and

Brian Atlasum what about Antarctica like a research scientist or something no but if you know one tell them call I will get you hooked up okay um oh Damian let's pull

Brian Atlasup the her rap song we're gonna skip ahead though to the best part oh you didn't find running up Rex we we'll get that going yo Gerald thank you for the gift of 20 whatever

Unknownmemberships thank you Gerald appreciate it

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Trinidad / BNAfind the racks okay so when you start running it's no g at the end it's just like a the apostrophe so that might help but it's it's just uh on her YouTube channel just click on the link yeah it is on my channel uh oh thank you thank

Brian Atlasyou Eric appreciate it man thank you Eric uh guys TTS is 100 get it in like the video also was that oh

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Trinidad / BNAthat's dope thank you thank you um cool that's awesome I was vibing yeah I was

Brian Atlasvibing I love that um I appreciate it sweet so okay uh been single for four years but you got you know you got

Trinidad / BNAcouple you know some be's you know my little my little [ __ ] uh what about you so I'm actually in a relationship we got together in November of last year and

Brian Atlasbefore that my longest relationship was four years all right and you said November of 2024 yes so it's like been 3 months or so okay

Callieand your uh longest relationship four years who broke up with who I broke up with him all right uh what about you I'm

Calliesingle probably for like two years now I was engaged and then I wasn't okay uh longest relationship uh 3 years was that

Brian Atlasthe engagement guy or no uh no I was actually married to that guy the three year oh you were married yeah you've been married just once though just once

Callieokay engaged once okay uh who initiated the divorce um I think I did but it was Mutual

Brian Atlastowards the end Mutual towards the end okay interesting huh I I don't know why it's not triggering okay um hold on I'll skip

Brian Atlasthat I'll get back to it metroad I don't know why it's not working uh and oh orientation for everybody I forgot to ask that straight by oh I'm straight I'm

Jillstraight straight straight straight straight okay what about you um I've been I'm single my longest relationship was I don't know maybe four years years and that was maybe two or two years

Brian Atlasago yeah we wait did we watch that whole thing and there was no audio how did you not

Brian Atlasokay huh oh yeah [ __ ] okay apparently the audio was not working I don't know why the whole time she were just vibing to nothing it's a shame that is very

Brian Atlasupsetting um okay uh sorry guys uh okay relationship status go ahead no you I missed it I wasn't paying attention I'm single I've

Jillbeen single for a couple years now my longest relationship was uh three four years and that ended um couple years ago

Brian Atlasalmost two I think okay uh who broke up with who we were married um I would say I initiated the divorce M okay and

Jilluh you were married for how long um H technically I guess a year and some change we lived together for nine months and then he

Jilldeployed got it okay you why did you divorce him uh there was some unfaithfulness and some other things that went on that yeah I was not safe so

Brian Atlashow many times did you cheat on him oh no not on my end oh my bad I thought because you said yeah no all right while he was

Jilldeployed some um some before some where was he deployed uh he was deployed in oh my

Jillgosh uh I or irq no it's um so long ago where whereabouts in the world is it uh

Jilloutside of turkey outside in in turkey or outside of turkey like Syria next to in between Russia and um aaban mm-

Jillit's IUD I think is the name of the the or the location where he was in the base birth control between well I always like mix up the the the letters it could have been was it the Middle East or was it

Jillyeah yeah it was the Middle East was it between Russia and Turkey I think so Georgia was it operation Iraqi Freedom no he was it was uh no he was in

Brian Atlasreserves was it operation enduring Freedom oh which one okay all right I don't know he was in Afghanistan no no no no he was close you married to him and

Jillyou didn't know about his military career no he I do know about his military career I know he was in the um the Air Force and then he he was in the reserve so he only had to do the weekend

Melenaof month and then he went overseas um for nine months okay all right uh what about you um single I've been seeing one

Melenaperson the same as the last time I was on okay uh how long have you been seeing this person

Melenaum on and off since like August um but it's been like consistent since like

MelenaOctober okay and uh longest relationship um year and a half all right when did that end

Daviaend of 2023 who broke up with who he broke up with me okay dark AIO what about you um I'm currently single I have two

Davialongest relationships only two I've ever been in um first one was 5 years second one was four years and no I'm currently not seeing or talking to anyone what

Jakeabout uh the photographer guy yeah that one uh we I just just recently cut that off okay all right uh Jake what about

Jakeyou longest one was a year and a half and currently dating to marry all right and are you you're single or if I told

Brian Atlasyou Bri I'd have to kill you okay uh so you're uh you're what do I put what do I write

Brian Atlasdown Jake I I got to write something down I'm just gonna say I'm just gonna say um currently a lot of psychos on the internet say that I'll

Brian Atlassay uh saving himself yes for Jesus perfect there we go okay all right uh so I need

Brian Atlasto deal with some very problematic audio issues we're having so we're gonna uh Jake do you have a question can

Jakeyou take over for like five minutes so if you girls were at an interview right and there was a guy there and he is he's him right he's the one but there's 50 other women and you have to go into this

Jakeinterview this audition and sell yourself to make yourself different from these 50 other women what would you do me first you're the first uh I

Jakepersonally don't like that strategy at all because I in any normal sit so the hypothetical is that this is what the situation is you have to sell yourself and this guy is everything you've ever wanted he's him and you have to compete

Jakewith these women what how would you sell yourself like The Bachelor yeah I wouldn't do that that's what I would but in the hypothetical you are going to do that so if you had to in the

Trinidad / BNAhypothetical what would you say I I I wouldn't that's what I'm no nothing to add okay good I'm like I feel

Trinidad / BNAI feel Natasha on that cuz no no you have to have to engage with hypothetic oror I'm think of something but it's

Trinidad / BNAlike I mean I'm me so and if he's perfect for me he would be mine okay next one I probably try to go in with like a

Trinidad / BNAperformance um singing a song setting the vibe cuz that's what it's all about the vibe for me so yeah so you think that the way that you would sell

Jakeyourself is is the vibe you'd have the vibe yes like cute outfit like nice song but if I if I heard that I'd probably think okay maybe The Vibes there but like who are you like what what's what's

Trinidad / BNAspecial about you um I would say I'm really really kind sweet and funny I love being able to laugh with somebody and being very respectful overall okay

Calliehow about yourself uh I would probably bring some Dominican food to seal the deal but how would you sell yourself though besides the food I think the food will do all the

Callietalking cuz it's going to be so good he's going to be like oh I need this woman in my life cuz if the you know what they say if the food is good the vagina vagina is that what they say I don't know right that's what they yeah

JakeI've seen some grandmas who cook a mean mean dish doesn't necessar doesn't necessarily carlite you didn't try it I didn't try it that's true it's

Jillunfalsifiable they Grand u i probably come with like a full resume of everything that I would be able to give him or everything that I do or can do

Jilland then um let him read over that and then um yeah I'm coming back what would be on the resume what would be some of the key points uh I would I would list

Jillthings like my beliefs my core values uh what I want in my future and uh the things that I want to see in my husband

Jilland then I would um you know kind of list out how I communicate and how I um uh yeah communicate resolve conflicts all those things and what are some of

Jillthe beliefs and core values that You' list so I am a Christian I um believe I want I would say that I um am Church

Jilllike I want to go to church I I read my Bible I would want a family um I want someone who's loyal and trustworthy and um well I would be loyal

Jilland trustworthy as well um other practical things would be like cooking cleaning um uh taking care of the housework and

Jilland then um also you know on the communication side I would um you know respect his space if he needed it I would be sure to um

Jillcommunicate if there's something on my end that I don't have that I have an issue with I'm not just like soaking around and not communicating that so cool all right and yourself um I would

Melenaagree that I think if they're like the right person for me it would just happen but if hypothetically I had to I would speak about um my accomplishments like

Melenamy goals longterm in life and definitely um the importance of faith for me and what do you mean by faith um I wouldn't necessarily call myself

JakeChristian because I also believe in like Buddha and um obviously like spirituality you believe in Buddha as in you believe that he was a man that existed or something

Melenabeyond that um his teachings were also just that he existed but I also believe in Jesus and um the Buddha is a prophet or what do

Melenayou do you believe that Buddha was just a good guy I believe that um we're all from the same Consciousness so I think um that Buddha is similar to Jesus in the sense that it was another

MelenaProphet so you don't believe that Jesus is God I believe that Jesus and Buddha are God so you believe that Evan's God

Daviayes so you're like a Hindu yeah okay um I I don't know like see like for me in

Daviathis situation I'm a dominant so I don't think I would ever try to try to impress a man in a way that I what do you mean by you're a dominant I'm a I'm a d f

Davialike I like being in control so like having the giving the in this scenario that you given it gives me saying that this man has the lot of the

Daviapower and it kind of turns me off by this scenario so I would rather be the person in the room with 50 other men and they would have to compete for me that's

Jakewhat I mean period Gil okay so what do you guys think would be the factors that he's I can I go around again m y what do you think he would be looking for Mr Mr

JakePerfect like Mr perfect for me no yeah I mean the the ideal guy he's you know 6'4 he's handsome he's got a good family he's got good values everything what's he looking for like high value I think

Natashalooks different to everybody but to me it's somebody who's very family oriented somebody who is honest and really considers you in their actions which I think includes like not cheating on you being considerate of like how you will

Natashaplay into their life in the long term I think somebody who considers you that's like the highest form of what do you think he's looking for so I mean the same thing if if we're compatible you would have to be giving the same thing

Jakethat they're giving not necessarily your your perfect guy but just in like the sort of like the the Prototype of of a perfect guy what what what are the particular things that you think he'll be looking for physical attributes

Natashaeverything consideration um I prefer a man who's bigger I like like a big hariry you keep on saying that but what what you like what what do you think he's looking for like personality wise I I think what

Natashado you think he's looking for in terms of looks in terms of values in terms of what you can bring to his life uh somebody that would be like a nurturer somebody that can bring him like a family life if he is in a position that

Natashais like more uh traditional I think that that is what they would be looking for I think it depends everybody's very different some people like Traditional Values some people don't okay next one um this a guy who's really got his

Jake[ __ ] together like what do you think he's he's a busy guy very successful what's he going to be looking for so he's a busy guy or like yeah's he's a busy guy successful on his grind he's handsome he's got a lot of women chasing him what's he going be looking for um

Trinidad / BNAprobably someone understanding cuz if you're busy usually you don't have a lot of time to like you know like someone that's good at communicating because also if you're busy you need someone that's like you have to be on like the

Trinidad / BNAsame page with your significant other maybe someone who's more serious um stable something like that I think probably somebody feminine and sweet and

Calliesubmissive kind of uh yeah someone hot you know someone that uh is going to understand them when

Jillthey get home after a busy day mhm yeah if he's got 50 women in the room he's probably going to look for the most physically attractive along with the most feminine and the most submissive

Melenaand the most respectful I would say someone that would raise his children with faith um nurturer stable um which I think is why I'm

Jakecasually dating right now because I don't think that I'm that woman yet for the perfect guy yeah okay well you want a guy who believes in Jud Jesus Buddha and Hinduism hey um I don't really care

DaviaI just want them to have faith in general I don't care which one you you he wants you to kick him in the nuts or something huh what do you think he want um I I honestly I agree with all the

Daviawomen here that I do believe that a like a genuine men men at like a whole all of them want a traditional woman basically that un like understand what men should

Daviabe because they do have more of a mindset that men are the caregivers and then women are the ones that support

Jakethem in a way and for like that's what I just like I'm just not that I think yeah I mean what like the the kind of guy you're so you saying that you like to

Daviaproject some sort of dominance a man like what kind of a dude would accept that that's that's why it's um there's I have most I have met men that are like

Daviathat but they do obviously men do have that you know very masculine where they tried to overcome you so where I've noticed in relationships or try to date

Daviathat it becomes like a battle like it's not it's kind of hard being in relationships with me because I do have that mindset yeah see I think women like you you just haven't quite realized why you do that yet the reason why I'd say

Daviathat you do that is because it's a wall that you put up and say that the most mascul guy a lot that's what a lot of Poli people believe that I have this wall up or where women have this thing but I just your nature every fiber of your being wants a man who's going to be

Jakea leader masculine protecting you provide for you so you don't essentially want to dominate a man you want to it's it's a bad strategy if I'll say so but you're going to put up this front to say I'm going to give you an attitude and you have to put me in my place and

Daviaeventually if you put me in my place maybe I'll submit to you no like thought I'm like I'm willing like I I can be very submissive to a man that will understand that like there's boundaries

Daviafor me as a a Dom fem like there is like I will totally submit to a man but there's also where you have to be submissive to me as well like it it has

Daviato be like a very understanding Arrangement that I would have with in what sense does he have to be submissive to you I would say that like in the point where it it's not he cannot be controlling in a way cuz I know I I

Daviawouldn't be controlling as a even as a dominant person I would just be like when somebody listens cuz I would listen to them it has to be like a win-win type of situation like I cannot go for men

Daviathat think oh I'm the man I can control you because this is how women should be do can can you think of any other situations in life where there are two

Natashaleaders uh two leaders I would say every team sport in a team sport every team sport has multiple captains

Jakedoesn't isn't like L the all of the NHL has multiple Co captains occasionally in team sports you will get multiple captains but there's still a hierarchy so so I mean that person is still the leader and then at the above Elizabeth

Jakeyou've got the coach then she have a king so there's not normally two coaches no right King consort that's what I was thinking anyways there's not normally two coaches though right so you've got the team sport there might be two captains there

Jakemight be a co- Captain but then above them is the coach the coach calls the shots right I mean in theory multiple teams have several coaches I mean one of them one of the back coach one of them the defensive coach whatever whatever but

Jakethen there's the coach at the top who calls the shots right and it's the same with CEOs it's the same with Kings you don't get two kings in a kingdom so the reason why we have this is because human beings naturally order themselves into

Jakehierarchies and it's the same with a relationship if you want a relationship where you guys are both the boss essentially by the way that just means that you're the boss because if you can tell a man when he when you're going to be submissive and when you're going to

Daviabe not submissive that means you're the boss but yeah it's just like it's just like I just can't like I just don't like the mindset that men have where they have to think that they have to be that

Natashaway with women and and just like I don't know I just I don't like it I might as well just be gay honestly I think if a man does it in the proper way like respectfully and makes you feel safe

Natashathen even when you are a super dominant woman then you can allow yourself to feel submissive that partner but in general your personality is more dominant that doesn't mean that you're now not a dominant person you're just not dominant

Daviawith that person yeah and I just I don't mean like being dominant by giving attitude or anything like that I just I just you really you don't give attitude I'm I'm a sassy I'm a very sassy person

DaviaI'm I'm a very sassy person but it's also that I just like I'm just in that realm like I think like a man I guess in the way but I just don't want to feel

Davialike I'm being triumphed over like men feel like they have to try to dominate me because that's what men do basically I wouldn't have the word in a relationship as well yeah it's it's something that like mod women all have

Jaketo deal with this this idea that submiss submission is oppression when it's not actually I like to use the Mufasa reference if you watch The Lion King is Mufasa an oppressive leader everyone

Jakeloves Mufasa but he's the boss everyone listens to Mufasa but he's a benevolent King it's an archetype you've got the the you then you got scar who's an evil King and aasa who's a benevolent King

Daviayeah so if you find him maasa so you know mhm maybe you wouldn't mind being being that's I'm saying I'm saying that there is someone out there for me she that that has that has the understanding

Daviathat they're okay with who I am as a as a woman and how that I'm not just because I can't be submissive I definitely can in my relationships I I had to P pull that rooll off because they were very dominant and I did it for a long time and I just knew that wasn't

Daviame like it was it was really hard for me to be that very that submissive in a way like if part of just felt like always being oppressed pretending to be someone I'm not yeah the problem is though if you went into a relationship and you

Jakewere like look I'm dominant I want to dominate you and he goes okay sweet step on my nuts or whatever whatever these guys want you to do to them I'm submissive in the bedroom that's for

Jakesure they always are but yeah so if if you if you if you wanted to go into into that sort of relationship then you would end up hating him and resenting him it it happens every single time these women

Jakethey act like they're all feminist they want to dominate a man they want to say I'm going to be the boss and then they end up hating him because every fiber of their being wants him to lead them oh that's crazy yeah cuz had the two

Jakerelationships I always been in they tried to lead me and I hated them for it so maybe maybe they just it's just not my just my not my or maybe it's an attitude problem coming into it as well though because if you come into it with

Jakethe mindset of I'm going to be the boss but then secretly you want him to be the boss which because if you're submissive in the bedroom then that's the ultimate form of like physical submission so there obviously you're you're a submissive girl mhm so I can be if you

Jakecome into it with that sort of attitude then um there's going to be all sorts of problems have you tried coming into it with the attitude of bowing for him at the door having his noodles ready I like

DaviaAsian men so I would definitely do that for you really yes what do you like about Asian men everything I feel like you're trolling me no I love Asian men I'm going to

Daviacareer for my birthday so which part I'm going to Soul North no yeah I'm going yeah I'm going to soul and I'm going to Japan are you going to have a t-shirt that says I love asan I'm actually I have a custom a shirt that says who

Jakewants a green card are you one of uh those animated girls who likes anim no these women are not only tone police spots but they clearly do not want no

TTS Donationsman they want a simp beta liberal not only do these women not bring anything to a real men they are

Brian Atlasclueless brain dead well Trump that's great thank you Trump pretty sure I just fixed it [ __ ] 300 IQ uh fixing this [ __ ] okay I'm going to

Brian Atlasget some of these going hopefully uh all right sorry for the delays guys on the ttss I'm not sure what happened there oh it's still not working that's lovely um okay I just have to read it sorry

Brian Atlasmetromat I see we went to the local me mental hospital for panelists again thank you for muting that atrocious atrocious noise they call music do you want to respond to that oh

Brian Atlasno I he just called your music atrocious he didn't even hear it and he just called it atrocious that then why would I dignify that with a response fair enough all right meet the Kaiser

Brian Atlaswhat's up Brian hope oh give me a sec here what's up Brian hope everyone is good congrats to the Clippers girl for finally hyping up something with

Brian Atlasfans C4 haven't seen you since uh I made you in GTA on line oh chair 4 that's you he made uh have fun all cheers and enjoy yo Kaiser good to

Brian Atlassee you in the chat man thank you so much all right thank you Kaiser let me see is this working nope that's not working okay I don't know what's going on all right uh we have Metro mat again

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Brian Atlasappreciate it uh yo cheeks with the 200 here in just a sec I do apologize Guys these are not coming through his TTS uh our audio scuff so I'm just gonna have to read them uh all

Brian Atlasright and we're waiting on cheeks here to come in uh while we're it's about to [ __ ] it whatever uh sha the girl s sitting beside Jake is named dark labia question mark uh my God sha thank you

Brian Atlasfor that uh we have beaten sheeks these women are not only tone police thoughts but they clearly do not want no man they want a simp ba beta liberal not only do these women not bring anything to a real man they are clueless

Brian Atlasbrain wow okay beaten cheeks good job uh thank you for that appreciate it uh do you guys want to respond to this accusation this terrible accusation their name is beaten seeds that is that

Brian Atlasis his that is his username love thank you man appreciate it I guys I do apologize I don't know why the uh TTS is not coming through properly I'm just at

Brian Atlasleast for the time being unless something uh to mind on how to fix it I'm just going to go ahead and read them instead uh and I'll try to read them as soon as they come in do apologize on

Brian Atlasthat um okay well let's get into some of the uh pre-show notes unless you wanted to finish up on your no I think we got there all right uh let's see here there

Brian Atlaswas oh we're not going to be able to do re reacts either until we get that sorted actually I think the video thing here Damen Go the video remember I told you how to fix it mine's

Brian Atlaswell do it now uh well here just put it on Twitch and then just go to video

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Brian Atlascan you let us know if you can hear us on the video tab uh put it back really quick put it one in the chat if you guys can hear us on

Brian Atlasvideo tab now is it working chat let me know one in the chat if it's working on the video tab now looks like it is why don't we do our first react let's get that get that pulled

Brian Atlasup uh the first I'm not sure the first react that I indicated

Unknownit is yeah it's the Tik Tok one all right uh oh my God what what he's going

Brian Atlaswhat so the the thing says POV you ghost a guy after two dates and get this message and as you see she's scrolling and this guy sent her a novel of freaking paragraphs on

Brian Atlasparagraphs so uh before I give my take on this uh we're going to go around the panel we're going to have you guys uh oh chat can you just one in the chat if you were hearing the audio from the clip it

Brian Atlaswas just some girls giggling or whatever uh your reaction to this I mean two dates the ghosting the like CRA like that huge wall of text your thoughts

Natashauh well I do think ghosting is a bit immature if you're giving somebody your time and they're expecting or hoping for another date I think it's just more mature to address it and say that you're not interested um but in general if I

Natashawere to get that after two dates I would be so icked out because it was not that deep it could not possibly be that deep in two dates um so that on its own would be enough not for a third date sure what

Trinidad / BNAabout you your reaction yeah that's crazy um I probably wouldn't respond mhm just and if I did my response would probably be I'm not reading all of this

Callieso okay sure yeah yeah it's giving psychopath so same I wouldn't read it either all right yeah definitely projecting something that's

Jillin him not what happened the two dates okay it depends how good the first two dates were like if they were really clicking and stuff I would that would make sense uh for her to ghost him but

Melenaum I think you just shouldn't ghost people okay um I also think ghos seems emotionally immature I've definitely been guilty of it

Melenaum but I think my reaction in that position would probably be the same like laughing about it with my friends which is kind of [ __ ] up

Daviabut oh um I would say I don't know I think ghosting yeah no absolutely not I wouldn't do it but the whole I would kind of just be curious so I wouldn't

Daviaread it I would actually call him and be like yo what is going on cuz I would be curious cuz especially if the messages were negative and he's calling her names saying like oh you're ghosting me after two dat I thought we had a good time unless he was like yo like what's

Daviahappening he wants an explanation like type of thing then yeah I I would I wouldn't read all of that no um but I would definitely give him a call if the first few sentence were polite and he just wanted like response like what do you do wrong or anything like that I

Jakewould okay Jake any thoughts yeah it's just a very interesting Peak behind the veil of what happens if you simp and what happens if you send these long stupid messages because guys think that girls will read it and he's probably

Jakebeen tricked into thinking that you know girls they like uh nice guys and he they want to read this long message from him but really what they're going to do is they're going to show it to their friends and they're going to ridicule

Brian Atlasyou so that's why you shouldn't s yeah so I mean I think ghosting is bad but he's doing like sending a long message like that even if you really liked the

Brian Atlasgirl that's way too extra it's too he's doing too much just take the L move on it sucks to get Ghost it but you just got to take the L and move on I think my

Brian Atlasbigger criticism though like he's kind of in the wrong for sending who knows what the content is of that maybe he was insulting her maybe he was like I don't know he's probably whatever it was it

Brian Atlaswas bad um even if he sent that long crazy message there's like well there's two things she went and showed it to her friend group and they were like laughing

Brian Atlasat him but not only that they recorded it and then posted it on Tik Tok and it went viral and I feel like that's too much whatever happened I

Brian Atlasdon't know you the guy already took an L he's upset yeah he sent you this like crazy long text a little inappropriate little like that's kind of

Brian Atlasweird but man now he's it's it's an even bigger L because they posted on social media and I'm I'm curious like it seems like women are more

Brian Atlasinclined to want to like resort to reputation destruction in the event of a breakup like while some guys are going to put

Brian Atlastheir put a girl on blast publicly women are way more likely and it's way more socially acceptable to put a dude on blast publicly so I wonder why that is do you think it's because women are

Jillcommunicative more like we're designed to talk with each other and and we're more socially more more more disposed to gossip yeah I'd say yeah well and also

Brian Atlaslike the way in which men would handle conflicts there there would be like physical like if if two men have a conflict There's an opportunity there

Brian Atlasfor like uh a physical Al altercation women while some women can be violent physically violent it's far less likely and what women tend to do is

Brian Atlasthey'll resort to reputation destruction uh so instead of like confronting somebody physically violently no I'm just going to like have a grudge for like multiple years and

Natasharuin their reputation yeah yeah yes the way they deal with things I I would say more than you seem to be making a face you disagree no I was going to say I do think that like in the context of if your friends know you're dating somebody

Natashaand that it was done and then he to send a long message like that it's natural to want to share that with the girls I don't think no I was going to say I don't think showing them the actual message and like making fun of it and

Natashalaughing is natural but I if you're you know that your friend is dating someone and they're like you know I wasn't really feeling it and look at he sent me this really long message is a little bit extra I think that's normal but like blasting him showing the specific

Jakemessage and like laughing at it I don't think that's kind yeah but just to say that Brian's point is that generally men wouldn't definitely wouldn't do that to another man because we we tend to regulate our relationships in the sense

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