She Is A TEN?! BETTER Looking At 30/40+?! Young Andrew Wilson REVEAL?! (GIGACHAD) | Dating Talk #180
Date: 2024-07-22
Duration: 7h 16m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Victoria(guest)
SPEAKER_03Morgan / mixed(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Diana(guest)
SPEAKER_12Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_13Mixed guests(guest)
SPEAKER_14Madison(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:42
IntroDiana introduces herself (19, UCSB, Moscow Russia); sings Russian national anthem on request.
“my name is Diana I'm 19 years old I'm now a student here at UCSB I'm major in drama and Eon but I'm originally from Russia”
00:03:38
IntroVictoria introduces herself (26, Melbourne Australia); reveals she co-founded Australia's biggest OnlyFans agency and now speaks against it.
“my name is Victoria I'm from Melbourne Australia I'm 26 years old and I do activism and Ministry work full-time”
01:00:00
QuoteAlysa self-identifies at length during ministry debate: "my name's Alysa I'm 23 there ain't nothing special about me I'm just passionately pursuing the Lord"
“my name's Alysa I'm 23 there ain't nothing special about me I'm just passionately pursuing the Lord”
01:22:12
Key MomentBrian reads 1 Timothy 2:12 ("I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man") and debates Alysa and Victoria about women in ministry roles.
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man she must be quiet”
01:36:00
Key MomentAndrew Wilson traps Alysa with the logic that if she cannot teach or correct men, she must stay silent on theology for the rest of the podcast. Alysa maintains ministry is serving not formal teaching.
“if that is true then be quiet the rest of this podcast and never correct another thing I say about theology ever”
01:36:54
QuoteVictoria describes her work managing OnlyFans agency: 24 models, chatters in Philippines pretending to be the girls, trained with "briefs" to represent each model. Left industry ~1 year prior.
“we train them as well and we have this thing called a brief so they can best represent the girl”
01:53:48
QuoteBrian reads Cheryl Sandberg quote: "date all of them - the bad boys, the cool boys, the crazy boys - but do not marry them." Brian criticizes the advice as leading women to accumulate baggage before settling.
“when looking for life partner my advice to women is date all of them the bad boys the cool boys”
02:06:00
Key MomentBrian argues women's attraction to "bad boys" is a pathology (hybristophilia) that causes relationship failure. Panel pushes back.
“this attraction to Bad Boys jerks it's absolutely a pathology you guys should see therapists”
03:43:21
Key MomentRatings round from Stiffler chat question. Diana asks panel to rate themselves 1-10. Alysa and Victoria insist everyone is a 10. Extended debate on whether rating yourself a 10 is delusional or faith-based confidence.
“ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 can't pick seven starting with you”
04:48:00
AgreementVictoria acknowledges Brian's point that men are attracted to younger women primarily for procreation biology reasons, despite initially arguing it was about "innocence."
“I guess you could see it from that perspective absolutely yeah”
05:51:00
QuoteBrian explains "league theory": women can have casual sex with high-value men but those men won't commit, causing women to think their league is higher than it is and to bypass men who would actually commit.
“as men our league is the women we can sleep with”
06:20:00
TopicAndrew Wilson announces he will debate Destiny (Steven Bonnell) that Thursday evening, with myON as moderator.
“that's going on Thursday evening I did request a moderator for the debate”
Topics Discussed
00:02:42
Guest introductions
Brian introduces 8 female panel guests and Andrew Wilson. Guests give name/age/location/occupation. Relationship status round follows.
00:15:00
Relationship history / situationships
Panel discusses relationship history, on-off relationships, single duration, and situationships. Victoria discusses 6-year on-and-off dynamic with older man.
00:30:00
Women in ministry and Christian theology
Extended debate on whether women can/should hold ministry/teaching roles per 1 Timothy 2:12. Alysa and Victoria defend women sharing the gospel; Andrew Wilson argues scripture restricts women from teaching authority over men. Speaking in tongues, mutual submission, and feminism in church discussed.
00:30:00
Men pursuing women / dating to marry
Discussion on whether women should pursue men, signaling interest, and dating with intent to marry vs. casual dating.
00:55:00
Body bow video / female submission
Brian shows video of woman bowing to husband at home. Panel debates whether this is demeaning or respectful. Andrew Wilson endorses it; married guests disagree with the specific video but support submission in marriage.
01:10:00
OnlyFans industry / exploitation of women
Victoria details how OnlyFans agencies operate (fake chatters, psychological manipulation). Discussion of how agencies recruit young women and exploit subscriber psychology. Victoria now educates against this.
02:00:00
Chemistry / "the click" in dating
Brian argues women's requirement for instant 'chemistry/click' is a pathology that causes them to reject good men and chase bad boys. Female guests debate whether chemistry can develop. Andrew compares to men never needing 'chemistry' to be attracted.
02:30:00
Body count and born-again virginity
Debate on whether women who were previously promiscuous can authentically commit to celibacy/waiting-for-marriage. Brian argues the double standard bothers men ('why him and not me?'). Victoria defends spiritual basis for recommitment.
03:43:00
Self-rating / attractiveness round
Stiffler's chat question: rate yourself 1-10, can't pick 7. Diana: 8.5, Alysa: 10, Carly: 7, Ashley/Victoria: 10, Michaela: 6 typically/8 on good day, Madison: 8, Morgan: 8. Andrew: 10 (joking). Brian: 4. Extended debate on whether self-rating 10 is delusional or faith-based confidence.
04:53:00
Women better looking with age (30/40+)
Discussion sparked by episode title - whether some women look better at 30-40 than their 20s. Victoria claims she'll be better looking at 36 than now at 26. Brian challenges how she can rate herself 10 now if she'll be better later.
04:56:00
League theory and dating market dynamics
Brian explains why women overestimate their league by having sexual access to higher-value men who will not commit. Women mistake sexual access for relationship league. Both Andrew and Brian argue this causes women to bypass their actual match.
06:20:00
Destiny debate announcement
Andrew Wilson announces upcoming debate with Destiny (Steven Bonnell). Destiny declined in-person debate citing threats related to his takes on the political situation. myON agreed to moderate.
06:55:00
Passport Bros / international dating
Discussion on short 5'6" man asking how to improve dating odds. Panel suggests dating shorter women, going to social settings, working out. Passport Bros strategy debated (Asian/Latin women vs. American women). Andrew dislikes advice about foreign women.
Transcript
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03:48:22
Brian Atlasif I were to not and I think from My Flesh and be hard on myself and listen to the devil I'll give myself a really low number for what what does that do for anybody and if we're looking at like the average but what is what does that do cuz I've had I had people that tell
03:48:35
Brian Atlasme that I'm ugly but I've had men that tell me I'm super beautiful and they sure yeah what about the girl next to you what is she what is what is the girl next to you she's a 10 well and the girl and the girl next to you on
03:48:47
Brian Atlasyour aspect is like hang and the girl next to you on your on your left what is she Alysa I'm sorry the red dress the girl in the red dress what is she she's
03:48:58
Brian Atlasshe's a 10 as well wait hold on is in fact let me just ask you I'm not going to give is any girl at the table you wouldn't rate as a 10 no I'm not I'm not
03:49:07
Brian Atlasgoing to do that yeah so and you're an honest person right yeah yeah so you don't lie telling me that the way God's God isn't God looks at us oh that yeah she's not ugly oh she's ugly she's ugly
03:49:20
Brian Atlasjust asking you for societal Beauty standard from your own perspective that's always changing though the culture is always changing even though it's always changing Curr is whatever it currently is that's not changed your
03:49:32
Brian Atlasmind SCH it was po poofy hair now it's like I don't even know I can't keep up with all the culture standards it's like so beauty standards is whatever it's just so is there any woman on planet Earth who's not a
03:49:42
Brian Atlas10 this girl right here no let her answer the question is there any woman on planet Earth who isn't a 10
03:49:52
Brian Atlasno ah wait wait wait so then yeah there we go I thing is hang on is there any woman on planet Earth who's a Satanist
03:50:01
Brian Atlasno thank you how over back no there's no I didn't say no that was her he didn't even listen to the question last second I was reading the comment I was reading the comment
03:50:19
Brian Atlasshe's the one that said yes to Satanist you dork you said no there's no woman did that was
03:50:29
Brian Atlasnot laughing at yourself elepant in the room SEC since Biden is out if carel and are you voting for her and if neither Trump or her who would you like the Democratic nominee to be hold on we're we're going to have to come back to this
03:50:42
Brian Atlasthank for the TTS we're just in the middle of the rating things so I will write this down I said is there any woman on planet who's who's not a Satanist you said no that was her wait hold on oh what did you say I was
03:50:53
Brian Atlaslistening to the comment I wasn't even listening to your to your question yeah I know you weren't listening well the comment had my problem that you have you don't the comment had my name all right hold on let me me so let me so let me
03:51:04
Brian Atlasask if every woman on planet Earth is a 10 then what does 10 mean it's different to everybody wait wa wait do it my no no what does it mean for objective beauty
03:51:16
Brian Atlasstandards so for instance if a woman if a woman was 800 lb and her arms and legs were lopped off and half of her face was burned off do you think objectively most men would find her attractive she'd be
03:51:28
Brian Atlasunhealthy and and she'd have some type of um disability yes but tell me she's a 10 lie to me lie to me and tell me she's a 10 she's a 10 in her own way in God in God's eyes I'm not going to do so
03:51:40
Brian AtlasSociety I don't know I don't know what I what else I can say to show how delusional you are how are you going to have a Ministry when all you do is lie how are you going to have a Ministry when all you do is lie how why
03:51:52
Brian Atlaswould I okay so if I told her you're a one how is that not degrading how is that beneficial to anybody gentle how believe in the truth do you believe in the truth okay the fruit of the spirit is kind loving
03:52:05
Brian Atlasthat's not loving why would I why would I tell it's not loving to tell me that I'm a 10 when I'm not but you but you you should you should look at yourself at your 10 as a 10 as I do too and I when when I do I'm going to go work out more I'm going to go eat better I'm going to do that because I'm going to I
03:52:18
Brian Atlaswant to be I'm already perfect why do I need to make myself look better well that's your mindset I'm thinking I'm a 10 so I'm going to try even harder to to to you improve yourself to nothing cuz you're already always improve yourself then you're not a 10 that's okay but you
03:52:30
Brian Atlassaying that that's just a cop out of course there's it there there's always room to grow but I'm saying I'm not going to sit here and degrade someone and and put a number on them I'm just not but saying that you're a 10 out of a
03:52:41
Brian Atlas10 means you're a perfect scale between 10 and one let me ask you a different question are there some people are there some people who are prettier
03:52:52
Brian Atlasor better looking than other people in other people's eyes yes 100% no even hold on hold on let me jump in let me jump in oh gosh so I asked a question that says have you ever
03:53:03
Brian Atlasseen a beautiful woman with a mid guy yeah so just by you answering that question you've already conceded that you can make determinations as to physical attractive
03:53:15
Brian Atlasand you said well it's equ I've seen both mid men with beautiful wom and I've seen beautiful men with mid women yes so you can you yourself can make analysis
03:53:27
Madisonon people's physical attrac but but even then I've had this conversation with with my friend as a Christian we should all look at everybody as beautiful and as perfect right as Christian yes they're we're made in the image of God
03:53:40
Brian Atlasyes we can it doesn't mean we're perfect doesn't mean okay but but what I'm saying is is okay if I see someone that is 100 lb I mean 400 lb of course it's it breaks my heart cuz it's like okay they're unhealthy and they don't see
03:53:52
Brian Atlasthemselves at a 10 that's why they're at that level hold on where hang on you know what I just want to ask this one one quick question we should see everybody as a 10 I think we everyone should see
03:54:04
Brian Atlasthemselves as a 10 and think themselves as a encourage each other to as a Christian we should see everybody as a 10 yeah and and like in God through God's
03:54:17
Brian Atlaseyes but if we look at it through society and let me ask you something do you think that chomos are tens I don't even know what that is it's a person who diddles kids do you think they're tens what the
03:54:28
Brian Atlaswhat does that to do with their I just want to make sure through God's eyes we're we're seeing it the same way are they T that is God's child and he's heartbroken and lost and needs Jesus they're perfect they're perfect
03:54:40
Brian Atlastoo right I don't think God sees us as perfect though he okay he sees as in His image and of course the whole killer thing we're not that's a whole another conversation though now we're talking
03:54:50
Brian Atlasabout characteristics and values and and all that yeah because you brought all that in and said that that is part of what makes you a 10 or not a 10 so I'm asking you if that is a part of what
03:55:01
Brian Atlasmakes you a 10 or not a 10 is a person who diddles kids a 10 because you see them through God's eyes physically he could be superhero you see them I see them through God's
03:55:12
Madisoneyes and God just loved them any any way even though they did no mentally no but I feel like yeah he could be born again he could be a tent and and change his ways of thinking of course he can and no one's unredeemable even people that are
03:55:25
Brian Atlasextremely overweight oh my god let's keep it on to the looks thing let's keep it on to the looks I think that's what makes somebody see somebody else they can't engage with the looks they ref 10 is you love them for their imperfections so no to the world they are not a 10 but
03:55:37
Brian Atlasin your eyes they are a 10 yeah exactly which you have to admit that not everyone is a 10 in your eyes there are a 10 you can look at everybody and and look at them as a 10 and look at them for their best selves why not let me okay let me ask you a question so uh why
03:55:51
Brian AtlasI got to wait until your friends back for this um do well I'll ask one in the interum do people go to hell yes of course did God see him his tens no
03:56:00
Brian Atlasbecause they rejected him oh sorry well that's weird so you're saying that wait talk everybody wait you're saying God doesn't see everybody well no you said it wasn't just physical you said I can't
03:56:12
Brian Atlasmake this distinguishment between the physical it's a whole package right I'm just not going to sit here and degrade someone I don't think my God is going to want me to if God was sitting right here
03:56:22
Brian Atlasyou see it as degrading though yeah I think it's degrading why yeah I know because you think that lying is preferable to telling the truth lying
03:56:33
Brian Atlasit's not lying but it's I'm just ity because yeah you just said every woman on planet Earth physically is a 10 and you're going to tell me that you're not lying goad tell and put insecurities
03:56:45
Brian Atlasinto in my own perspective and put insecurities on women how why just because of my perspective that why would I sit here and do that I'm not going to do that because it's what's true do you
03:56:56
Brian Atlaswear makeup okay yes I do why do you wear makeup because it's my way of expressing myself just the same way I do braids but I also for people that know me I go without makeup and bareface a lot of times as well it just depends on
03:57:08
Brian Atlaswith well well can we finish let us finish our discussion almost done and then I'll turn it over right but I would like to finish says I I would like to know isn't it so that for you to condemn
03:57:20
Brian Atlaspeople who are Heretics and to condemn non-christians for the activities that they do you're going to have to be degrading I'm sorry I was reading the
03:57:30
Brian Atlascomments again I'm sorry I'm so sorry I'll ask again go ahead isn't it true that in order for
03:57:39
Brian Atlasyou to condemn Heretics and condemn people who go against the word of God that you're going to have to be
03:57:51
Brian Atlasdegrading um no degrading have to so if somebody tells you that their mother made them into a secularist and that their mother physically abused them and this is the
03:58:03
Brian Atlasway that they are and you say that their mother is wrong would that be degrading their mother I don't know but this is like a word salad you word salad yeah it is
03:58:15
Brian Atlasbecause I'm just how can you how can you have conversations with people without risking offense and degradation how is that even possible if you're going to try to convince them of a worldview how is it possible that you can make it
03:58:27
Madisonevery single time so that they take no offense and no degradation how is that even possible yeah but when it comes to looks it's different it's not we're not talking about something that's so deep It's like because at the end of the day
03:58:39
MadisonI know there's a man that looks at her and he's like she's a 10 a man's going to look at her she's a 10 man's going to look at me at so who am I to put that my perception or of beauty standards that are going to constantly be changing
03:58:52
Brian Atlasthat's what but that's what we're asking you we're not asking you for that man's Beauty perception we're not asking you for that woman's Beauty perception we're asking for your beauty perception yours
03:59:03
Brian Atlasno it's everchanging so I don't I'm not going to rely on my everchanging perception just same thing sometimes okay I went through a phase where I thought braids were were really ugly now I'm wearing it's like standards are
03:59:15
Brian Atlasalways changing so why am I going to sit here and and point and and give numbers to girls like that's just funny that's that's actually not really
03:59:24
Brian Atlaseven what the conversation is about yeah it is we're we're we're grading with we're asking you from your subjective viewpoint on subjective
03:59:36
Brian Atlasbeauty standards from your subjective Viewpoint of what you consider beautiful and not beautiful to be to give yourself an a rating based on that that it's uh really fascinating for
03:59:48
Morgan / mixedsomebody who's Christian who has such cuz Christians have such a very set worldview of this is how you should live your life but yet you're so unwilling to say yes there is a beauty standard it's
04:00:00
Morgan / mixedjust I don't I can't sit here and say that even that's biblical like we're in the Bible is saying that some people are ugly some people are saying it's biblical I'm saying you have such a hard life structure of I have to do these
04:00:11
Morgan / mixedthings to be a good Christian but I'm not willing to to say that there's such thing as a beauty standard the beauty standard is always changing though so I'm not going to sit here and and and
04:00:22
Brian Atlaswell then that means that there was one at some point so whenever the standard before the standard changed to whatever the standard is to the standard to the standard there was a standard So based on whatever you think that standard is
04:00:34
Brian Atlasright now can you tell us what yours is no I'm just not this is the only one I just I even the last time it's just it just doesn't it goes in circles and it never makes sense but like the comment
04:00:45
Brian Atlassaid you should grade your your wife and put a picture of your wife up yeah my wife's a six I think Rachel's beautiful I think she's a now now is there is there any chance now that I've answered
04:00:55
Brian Atlasyour question honestly that you'll answer mine no no no Andrew I can't do that cuz I'm a lying heretic and I just preach a false gospel constantly
04:01:06
Brian AtlasI can't answer a single question you ask me honestly it's impossible Andrew you could just go ahead and say that that would be okay too yeah like that comment is good too yeah beauty is always is fleeting there's no
04:01:18
Madisonconstant in it so it's just I'm not going to sit here and just I'm just not I'm just not going to Yeah question going to ever engage with an actual you
04:01:26
Brian Atlasknow uh question that might risk offence to somebody else even if it was true from your Viewpoint which is exactly why women shouldn't be ministers cuz you
04:01:37
Brian Atlassuck at it you refuse to engage in what's actually being asked that's why you're a bunch of a a IST factories you people are atheist factories you make atheists out of people you don't make
04:01:50
Brian AtlasChristians out of them yes I'll b a different well I have a couple oh he needs a smoke break okay uh I have a couple questions
04:02:00
Brian Atlasso uh 10 108 if I recall for the two 10 here at the table uh so then you guys do think comparatively speaking that you're
04:02:12
Brian Atlasthe most attractive girls at the table no I think we're all are cuz I think all you're just all equally attractive yeah I'm I'm not going to engage in this conversation anymore like so we can just
04:02:22
Madisonnot answer well I mean Andrew had his go and I didn't answer it because I'm just not when it comes to this is this is the only question I won't I just do not I just don't want to it's it's degrading
04:02:34
Madisonit's just I'm not going to here how's it degrading personally okay that's how I feel so a lot of people haven't said a lot on the PO in in the original problem so I'm going to sit this well there's two there's two women who said that
04:02:44
Brian Atlasthey're tens yeah that's that's in my eyes I mean I don't so I'm asking though some of the some of the women here rated themselves lower are you saying that they're wrong in their own self
04:02:56
Brian Atlasassessment no if that's how they feel I mean that's how they feel but at the same time I feel like they are right so but okay uh since you guys did rate
04:03:06
Brian Atlasyourself the highest are you guys prepared to sit here and say that you guys are the most attractive women at the table both of you no and I'm not going to answer anymore when it comes to
04:03:17
Brian Atlasthis you're not going to I mean I have more questions on this so I'm going to keep asking you I mean doesn't God tell you to be humble so um yeah that's why I'm not going to
04:03:29
Madisonanswer these questions what does that have to do with anything I don't need to answer all the questions like I really don't I don't know why if I don't want to talk about this specific question if it's that much
04:03:41
Madisonof a problem then it's a problem but I just don't not want to engage in this specific question why it
04:03:52
Brian Atlaswhy can you say why I've already said it I'm just not going to say anything are you not going to say anything say I I answered my part are you not going to
04:04:02
Brian Atlasengage in the conversation I I can't speak for her I'm asking you I'm not asking you to speak for her I'm asking if you'll engage engage I going to be a
04:04:13
Brian Atlassheep and follow your friend No I gave you an answer to what I I asked if you're going to engage in the conversation oh yeah I can if I feel comfortable but it's like I already gave you an answer to the last question so if
04:04:23
Brian Atlasyou're looking to ask more questions I will then answer yeah great okay well then answer okay is there is there a
04:04:31
Brian Atlasbeauty standard which you hold a beauty standard that I hold yeah are you going to lie to me you going to tell me the truth
04:04:44
Brian Atlasare you going to finish that sentence are you going to lie to me or are you going to tell me the truth is there a beauty standard that you hold do you hold a standard for what you consider to be
04:04:55
Brian Atlasbeautiful I mean from my perspective my views of beauty is going to look different for everyone else just just your perspective
04:05:06
Brian Atlassure that's all I'm asking for do you hold one for myself I mean for for everybody who you encounter I mean I'm not going around just rating people or saying like oh they look like this they look well sure no I understand
04:05:19
Brian Atlasthat everybody you meet you may not think whether not they're beautiful but certainly there's many people you meet who you think are less attractive than other people right yeah maybe people's uh physcal attributes look different or
04:05:31
Brian Atlasthey look more enhanced than others and yeah I agree yeah yeah I agree so there are some people from your standard who you think are less attractive than others right in my perspective yeah okay
04:05:43
Brian Atlasokay that's totally reasonable and completely Fair can you tell me based on those standards if we were to go around the table can you go ahead and tell me based on those standards and rate each one of those
04:05:58
Brian Atlaswomen um I don't feel comfortable doing that you're right yeah I mean it's it's valid that if I don't feel like comfortable doing
04:06:09
Brian Atlasthat they're doing every single every sing single time every single time okay well let me ask you this can you rape
04:06:21
Brian AtlasBrian um according to my standards like we said I have my own standards and everything
04:06:31
Brian Atlasum thing 10 according to what I like and what I'm attracted to a seven a what a seven that's Prett good right okay great I'm
04:06:42
Brian Atlasglad that you could do that for Brian no but now do it for the now do it for the girl to your right oh okay go ahead do you want to do it to Maddie or you want to great she say she yeah go ahead and now that you've done it with Brian why
04:06:55
Brian Atlaswhat would be the distinguishment for why you feel comfortable doing it to a man but not to a woman because me as a female I'm attracted to men I'm not attracted to woman I mean it's easier for me to you have a subjective standard
04:07:08
Brian Atlasfor what is attractive in women as well yeah but like I said I don't feel comfortable doing that only for the men wait I have a question you're totally not a feminist right you're totally not a feminist but you feel fine judging men
04:07:21
Brian Atlastelling them to their face what you think the standard is but when it comes to women well well I just couldn't do that I couldn't that's that's a you're
04:07:30
Brian Atlasthat's a bridge too far Andrew right sure women need to be cuddled 100% right so okay uh I found it interesting though because you are able to make these
04:07:42
Brian Atlasdeterminations you gave yourself a 10 yet I'm a seven so your assessment of my physical attractiveness is three points below yours MH I found that interesting
04:07:52
Brian Atlasyeah interesting I found that interesting I would actually say that uh I mean trying to be as objective as I can uh I would actually say that in terms of our of our physical appearance
04:08:03
Brian Atlaswe're probably fairly comparable but you might even be one point below me I'm not saying that to insult you just objectively I'm trying to be as objective as possible but you're a is
04:08:14
Brian AtlasI'm three points below you but you also rated me two points below my own rating which I also find interesting yeah like I said like we like we discuss like we have what we are attracted to what we're
04:08:25
Brian Atlasnot attracted to and chat chat be super Fair don't just like dunk on her just because she thinks she's a 10 be super
04:08:34
Brian Atlasfair when it comes just to looks who would be settling here go ahead
04:08:41
Brian Atlaschat just looks be fair you realize so as you guys and this is what I call Extreme virtue signaling the reason that we're kind of harping on this I want to
04:08:53
Brian Atlasgive you the rationale so that you now understand why we're harping on this one of the reasons that dating at least in modernity seems so messed up is because
04:09:02
Brian Atlasit seems to be impossible for for men and women to have honest conversations without what I would call female narcissism or women literally just lying
04:09:13
Brian Atlasand it's because they actually follow the book of be nice not the book of the Bible which says nowhere to be nice when you say kindness kindness is not the
04:09:23
Brian Atlassame as nice and I think that this is often conflated and so I think that what ends up happening is there's no honesty left in these conversations because a
04:09:34
Brian Atlasman is asking a question we know for sure you're fullish when we're asking you do you have a beauty standard and you say now we know you're lying through your teeth we know all of
04:09:44
Brian Atlasus know it not some of us said every single one of us know that that's total and so if you were to ask this
04:09:54
Brian Atlasquestion and a woman uh kind of engages with it and says no I actually believe everyone's ATT 10 you realize that we all know you're lying all of us know
04:10:04
Brian Atlasthat not some of us not a few of us all of us know that and so how in the world can you have this reconciliation when it comes to dating when it comes to these conversations when it comes to being open and honest
04:10:17
Brian Atlaswith each other if you can't even tell the truth about what you think about a beauty standard why would I assume then that if I were dating you you wouldn't lie to me why would I assume then that if I were dating you you wouldn't lie about what my
04:10:30
Brian Atlaspreferences were in order to make myself or yourself happy how's that equally yolked how's that biblical how does that even make sense from a secularist
04:10:38
Brian Atlasperspective it just seems absurd to me are you done okay so like I said I did say that there is a Beauty Center
04:10:48
Brian Atlasfrom what I like and maybe what I think but like you said like if you're say you're in a relationship and you're talking about me lying I mean if I'm going out with you obviously there's an
04:11:00
Brian Atlasattraction there or I find you attractive like I said like the rating I gave him was based on what I like I don't need to like know what everyone
04:11:10
Brian Atlaselse is liking like for me the but even too when I gave my answer like rating my looks like for me like I said like I wouldn't want like if I'm confident myself like that's just my conf so let
04:11:21
Brian Atlasme let me take over here for a bit okay so you're a 10 I'm a seven assuming we you know I met your other standards you would not date me based off of this
04:11:33
Brian Atlascorrect because I'm below you in terms of physical appearance right it's not I won't be offended I won't be offended it's not just in physical appearance there's a lot of other yeah but assuming like I met your other things like I was
04:11:44
Brian Atlasa good guy whatever Christian Etc um you just would date me based on looks right no no if you had if say you your someone was a Christian and they had all the
04:11:56
Brian Atlascheck boxes like the standards like we have the same standards or whatever it is and you're a seven I'm not going to be so hung up on the physical looks but would you be settling you feel like you'd be settling on the looks
04:12:08
Brian Atlasthing you're three points above me in your physical no because I believe as we grow in the relationship like God will give me even more of a like an attraction to whoever my spouse will be
04:12:19
Brian Atlaslike no but you said I'm a seven and you're a 10 so you you would be settling regardless of your growing attraction for me I mean I guess if you put it that way
04:12:31
Brian Atlasand I understand what you're saying like I rated you a seven I rated myself a 10 that's just how I like for me I would not want to rate myself anything below a 10 because I wouldn't want to seem like
04:12:41
Brian AtlasI'm not secure in myself or not why would you rating your so do you think because I rate myself a five I'm not secure in myself no not that I'm saying for myself I'm not talking about
04:12:51
Brian Atlasanybody else you need to put on a facade of a projected belief about your physical attractiveness to be secure no it's not a faade I I find it believable
04:13:03
Brian Atlasin my book like so it's not just about being confident you genuinely aside from your confidence you genuinely have your own self your own assessment of your own physical attractive
04:13:13
Brian Atlasis genuinely that you are a 10 you are among the most beautiful women in the world I think it's not just I cuz I'm going to get into a little bit more I'm not just basing it off of my physical
04:13:25
Brian Atlaslooks I'm looking at it in my do you the the question was looks yeah break looks no that's that's super insecure I don't know why you guys are all so insecure I don't know why there's so much
04:13:38
Brian Atlasinsecurity that if we ask you your looks you can't just be honest about it but instead have to bring in other qualia that you think you need to introduce in order to make yourself more appealing to
04:13:48
Brian Atlaspeople why can't you just be honest why are you all so insecure I'm not in you you can't be honest I it sounds like insecurity to me
04:13:58
Brian Atlaslike if I were if if if I were for instance to walk around and be a braggadocious um you know kind of over the toop saying that I was I was a 10 I'm 11 I'm the most beautiful man in the world wouldn't you say I was arrogant
04:14:11
Brian Atlaswouldn't you say I was e statistical right wouldn't you say that was a sign of insecurity and yet here it seems like it's a sign of insecurity from you why not just tell the truth about the actual question which is what
04:14:23
Brian Atlasdo you rate yourself physically rather than introducing other quality it sounds just like uh insecurity to me sounds like you're super insecure I well first of all I'm not insecure and second of all I don't know
04:14:36
Brian Atlasit sounds like you're inse then answer the question what do you actually rate yourself by physical beauty standards by physical beauty standards on what people think the world possibly like is considered beautiful probably I'm going
04:14:47
Brian Atlasto be seen as a seven or even lower what about the girls what about the girl to your right don't be insecure the girl we're talking about me don't be don't be
04:14:58
Brian Atlasinsecure I'm not insecure you sound like you're pretty insecure right now I sounds like confident in your position inure and that's it period oh okay so you're
04:15:10
Brian Atlasinsecure believe what you want to believe okay it sounds like insecurity I'm just saying not insecure well I have a question for you um can you tell us a public figure celebrity who you feel as
04:15:21
Brian Atlasyour male looks match or looks equivalent for the two [Music] t who do you want to actually engage in
04:15:31
Brian Atlasgood faith obviously it's not Hasa no not this not this one you you can't think of a guy who you think yeah we're in the same league you can't think I just want to engage in this why not don't Brian I really don't why because
04:15:44
Brian Atlasit's going to reveal that you're wrong no it's just it's just I don't I did it last time and I just don't I don't like the I don't like the question just don't even watching it from other other podcast I don't like I don't like seeing
04:15:57
Brian Atlaswhat I just don't yeah so I mean I'll give you what about you do you want to engage uh do you have a public figure celebrity who you feel is your male looks match or
04:16:10
Brian Atlasequivalent um I would say I never really thought about that that someone be equivalent to me so I I really don't like in your league like a someone we can Google who you think is in your league looks wise you know we'd
04:16:23
Brian Atlasobviously have to think of someone who has perhaps a bit of fame or celebrity we can who's also a seven we're going to Discount the status we're going to Discount the status the success the money just looks that way we can
04:16:35
Brian Atlasactually Google a person who you think is like your looks equivalent I don't even know I know well you said you're a seven or a
04:16:45
Brian Atlas10 I'm a little confused as to what the actual thing is so I just would not like to compare myself to right so who's okay then who is a guy that you think is in your
04:16:59
Brian Atlasleague I don't I think Brian you said right well you said you're no no no you said you were seven so he said you're seven so he's so
04:17:08
Brian AtlasBrian's he's famous right okay I'm trying to maybe get somebody else but yeah a [Laughter]
04:17:22
Morgan / mixedcelebrity I I I don't know there's not a person in any movie that you've seen that you're like he's my comparison or he's like a
04:17:32
Brian Atlas[Music] seven I I don't know all right I'll ask a different question for the whole panel going around the table do you think
04:17:42
Brian Atlasyou'll be better looking in 10 years as compared to how you look now starting with you yes okay so you're 19 you'll be better looking at 29 yeah uh what about
04:17:51
Brian Atlas39 compared to 19 I hope so you hope you better I hope I will look better so but will you be more physically attractive at 39 than you are now at
04:18:07
Diana19 so abstracting all other qualities and talking about physical appearance yeah yeah okay probably I am more interactive now than I would be but I'm
04:18:19
Brian Atlaswould saying I'm going to be at Babushka 39 a choice it's a choice all right but so more attractive at 29 but not more attractive at
04:18:29
Brian Atlas39 yes okay okay so we're talking about objective I don't know people's associal kind of standard here of yeah so let's
04:18:39
Brian Atlaslet's assume you're in the uh I'm sorry is it the motherland let's assume you're in the
04:18:47
Brian Atlasmotherland think Russ on the standards of the motherland father they are judging your beauty standards right
04:18:58
Brian Atlasthey're judging you currently versus you at 29 years old which would all of the men in the motherland prefer my younger version yeah that
04:19:10
Brian Atlasseems fair so then there's no way you're going to be more attractive then let let's get all the answers let's get all the answers uh would I be more attractive yeah you're 23 do you think you'll be
04:19:22
Brian Atlasmore attractive at 33 I mean I would I would hope so I just think it plays a factor I mean I'm still do you think you'll be more physically attractive at 33 than you are
04:19:34
Brian Atlasnow at 23 possibly I don't I think so yeah what about 43 well we're getting as you older I mean age just catches up to you maybe
04:19:45
Brian Atlasmaybe not to other people but you think you will Peak at 33 as compared to now at 23
04:19:53
Brian Atlasmaybe I don't know maybe you don't know so can I just get a yes or no um do you will you be more physically attractive in 10 years
04:20:09
Brian Atlastime it just depends I mean on what what because it could be a whole different standard in in 10 years of what people think is beautiful in my eyes I'm going to still be confident
04:20:21
Brian Atlasthat yeah I am beautiful maybe I'm going to have kids and maybe my body is going to look a little bit different um in that sense we're not saying that you won't be beautiful in 10 years we're asking if you'll be more beautiful in 10
04:20:33
Brian Atlasyears than you are now no I think I'll be the same you'll be the same no difference what about 43 same yeah so you will be just as physically
04:20:44
Brian Atlasattractive at 43 years old than you are like um what did you think I was talking about I mean just I don't know just I think I'm going to be okay you're saying looks I keep on
04:20:56
Brian Atlaswanting to pull into like emotions and all that stuff so may no I'm not at
04:21:02
Brian Atlas43 okay so then 33 no just say no okay um but
04:21:13
Brian AtlasI'll actually engage with you on this incorporating other things so if we just look at the totality of everything your personality etc
04:21:24
Brian Atlasetc do you think you will overall be more attractive to all men at 33 looks personality everything you'll
04:21:36
Brian Atlasbe more attractive at 33 than you are now at 23 allowing you to incorporate everything allowing me to incorporate everything if I'm still going down the same route that I am like improving myself and growing myself then yeah I will be but I mean I don't need the
04:21:49
Brian Atlasapproval of like all man is just going to be whoever my husband is right but so the question is like to be attractive to other men to men then yes if I like I said if I continue going
04:22:01
Brian Atlasthe path which hopefully God will I about 43 then yeah same 53 continuing on 53 yeah 63 yes if we're incorporate
04:22:12
Brian Atlasemotionally yes everything more but you acknowledge that physical attractiveness is a component of it I'm not asking just but you would you would acknowledge that
04:22:23
Brian Atlasit's yeah a component yeah but you're like even saying like it's to all men like it's just one person I don't need yeah maybe we're both going to be getting older together maybe our physical attraction for each other is
04:22:35
Brian Atlasgoing to be like oh you're getting like crinkly and stuff and so on like so be it okay so in this is probably going to drop hopefully the emotional Rises up in this scenario let's assume you get
04:22:46
Brian Atlasdivorced but you've made all the progress that you claim you will make in 20 years time you get divorced at 43 will you have a better time attracting men at 43 than you will now at
04:23:02
Brian Atlas23 that one man you talk about is gone and now you're back in the dating Marketplace I mean if that guy wasn't for me hopefully there would be one who's going to want to be with me that I
04:23:13
Brian Atlashave I have all that so I'm asking I'm setting up a hypothetical here you get divorced you did have the one guy the one guy's gone you're now back on Tinder and hint and dating apps and you're
04:23:26
Brian Atlasbeing P there's multiple men who are going to be pursuing you uh do you think that you will be more attractive in totality at 43 to these men than you are
04:23:38
Brian Atlasnow at 23 um no because like you said it for total total whatever that word was the physical probably will drop just it and like I said it depends on like what I
04:23:49
Brian Atlasgranted in totality yeah but it's like it depends what the guy is looking for as well I mean okay all right um you're 26 better
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Victorialooking at 30 will you be better looking at 36 than you are now at 26 I absolutely plan on being that and I have it oh I absolutely I said I absolutely plan on being
04:24:10
Victoriathat plan on being more pH physically 10 years of extra training 10 years of extra Heth 10 years of understanding your style better everything I think I
04:24:21
Brian Atlasknow I have a lot of friends that are almost 40 and they're bad e okay hold on so I'm already going to grant that women can absolutely be beautiful and attractive into their 30s and 40s and
04:24:31
VictoriaBeyond it's not the question it's a comparative thing so ah okay between now and 36 mhm yeah definitely as I said because of those reasons I think that I'll have
04:24:43
Victoriaan extra 10 years of training extra 10 years of Maintenance and looking after myself so from 26 till now I mean 26 till 36 I would make the assumption that I would look better than what I do now absolutely okay and then with about
04:24:56
Victoria46 um I think that it would start to decline a little bit the closer I got to 50 but you would Peak so you'd be more attractive physically attractive at 46 than you are now at 26 no I'd be more
04:25:08
Victoriaattractive at 36 and 26 and then more attractive at 26 and 46 wait hold on does that not make sense wait so yeah that makes sense I think so I think that that's when you Peak yeah
04:25:20
Victoriayou'll be more attractive at 36 than at 26 but will you be more attractive at 46 than at 36 um probably not no I think that you like a women like generally it can
04:25:31
Brian Atlasreally Peak like from that 32 to 40 yeah when so when do women Peak what age I just said 32 to 40 I think is like a peak for 36 is the Peak Physical attractiveness of I think so yeah okay and then going back to you what do you
04:25:44
Brian Atlasthink is the Peak Physical attractiveness age of women if you had to say uh between the 30s and 40s between 30s and 40s with 30s and 40s okay uh going to you uh you're 29 do you
04:25:55
Brian Atlasthink you'll be better looking at 39 than you are now yes into the mic please yes okay will you be better looking at 49 than you are now probably not no I'll
04:26:07
Brian Atlasstart declining like she said okay when is when do you think is the peak for uh physical Beauty in women 30s 30s okay and do you think you're more physically attractive now at 29
04:26:18
Brian Atlasthan you were at 19 in some ways but no no other ways no cuz I didn't I didn't do certain things what do you mean like I just think that like you
04:26:29
Brian Atlassaid like I never I didn't work out in my when I was younger so I was chubbier um when you were younger mhm so things that I I wanted to do okay so you're better looking now at 29 than you were at
04:26:40
Brian Atlas19 I just took took care of myself more right now I I take care of myself now than I did when I was 19 all right going to you 28 better looking at 38 or better looking now better looking now and were
04:26:53
Morgan / mixedyou better looking at 18 or better looking now I would say I'm better looking now for sure I had an awkward phase I think
04:27:02
Morgan / mixedwomen Peak usually in their mid 20s like 23 24 25 I think usually that's the peak all right what about you you're uh 27
04:27:14
Brian Atlasyeah i' definitely think I'd be more attractive now than 10 years so you're more uh more attractive now at 27 than you are at 37 okay all right uh going
04:27:26
Brian Atlasback to you really quick you said that uh if you get work done that you'll be better looking no no no no no uh like just by process of time I've been
04:27:38
Victoriatraining for 10 years imagine when I'm in the gym for an extra 10 years your physical fitness how you look aesthetically will be so much more better in 10 years than what it is now
04:27:47
Victoriaso that's why what about what about face you can't really work out your face um I think that that would then come down to how you look after yourself are you like drinking plenty of water are you doing skin care are you staying out of the Sun
04:28:00
Victoriawhat are you doing to mitigate like wrinkles all of that so you could have another extra 10 years of looking after yourself um as kind of what you alluded to I feel like women well people in general go through like awkward phases I
04:28:13
Victoriakind of feel like your 20s is an awkward phase and then when you get into your 30s you kind of yeah know your style you've been probably working out you know what to eat and so that's kind of
04:28:23
Brian Atlasmy theory behind why I think at 20 I mean 36 I'd be better than 26 so so can I uh just briefly interject I sent over this is some new Andrew lore uh the
04:28:34
Brian Atlasfirst ever dropped uh in a long time and I'll drop it right here in the whatever podcast so via Discord I sent over a picture picture of me at 19 when I was a
04:28:44
Brian Atlasmodel you may not know this but me Andrew Wilson I was a model I was a hair model not kidding hang on not kidding I
04:28:52
Brian Atlaswas a model at 19 years old I was a hair model some some some actual lore for you now I'm going to have Brian pull this up so you can see how delusional
04:29:03
Brian Atlasyou are Andrew Wilson at 19 years old versus Andrew Wilson at 40 years old so that you can see the
04:29:13
Morgan / mixeddifference hey some of us like send it over via Discord by the way you got it I think men look better when they're a little older when're old I like older I do I
04:29:25
Brian Atlashave a feeling that you're look better now I just have a feeling just saying there's just something about this is my point people have different tastes I mean it just is what it is people my theory though comes from personal
04:29:37
Brian Atlasfriends that I have that are almost 40 and I've seen photos of them at my age and I think they look better not almost 40 and we're about to show the pick and then you can just see for yourself okay ni because I got to tell you you guys
04:29:49
Brian Atlasare living off in dulu land you think 39 years old you're going to be as good-looking as you were 22 that's Insanity repeat it I just said but you drink and smoke so wouldn't you assume that you're more
04:30:01
Brian Atlasaged now think that I always drink and smoke or what and by the way do you think that men can't drink and smoke and still maintain their attractiveness level age comes for us all sweetheart all right regardless of whether you
04:30:13
Brian Atlasthink it's not going to come for you it's coming it's coming and guess what oh yeah way better now the wall is undefeated looks like a baby that was so quick that was so quick I didn't get a
04:30:26
Brian Atlasone more time okay can that's a great jaw line it is it's a rip a jeel line you do have a good hairline I can see where you're going handsome but I'm not even kidding I
04:30:37
Brian Atlasthink you look he was so great he looks so great yeah because I wasn't
04:30:46
Brian Atlas40 we're saying the opposite think you look better now all of us that whole g face gigachad okay all right whatever I just think males are more attracted to a
04:30:57
Brian Atlasyounger looking female where females are attracted generally speaking very generally to an older looking man not a baby face like you were gorgeous but you had a baby face wait so then how can you
04:31:07
Victoriabe more attractive as time goes on you like specifically do do I think that from 26 to 36 by Logic you would make the assumption that if I have an extra
04:31:19
Brian Atlas10 years of training and looking after myself I would therefore look better than what I do now by let me ask question let me ask you a question all else all else being equal so assuming
04:31:32
Brian Atlasthat I mean you're training now right yeah aren't you yeah okay so you'll what what are you gaining in 10 years more muscle yeah absolutely from 10 years ago now muscle is a primary attraction
04:31:44
Victoriatrigger in men but it's not necessarily about that if you want to get into the complexities of training you can get more muscle you can reduce fat you can get leaner if you want to get into powerlifting you can put on weight like it depends on what you think so in my
04:31:57
Victoriaassumption if you're training and you're being fit and healthy for an extra 10 years wouldn't your body by default look better so let me ask you a question so assuming you don't train at all but
04:32:08
Brian Atlasyou eat healthy and your body fat percentage doesn't change at all although for most people as they age they tend to gain weight but I'll disregard that and I'll just grant that
04:32:19
Brian Atlasyour body fat percentage stays the same but your actual um uh how what's the word for it uh composition your body composition no changes from 30 to 40
04:32:30
Victoriathere's you're saying that there's no difference no negative difference between those years well I never said that what I said is from 26 to 36 I think I'd look better
04:32:41
Brian Atlasbut from 26 to 46 I think there would be a decline so I agreed with you right but so you're saying that currently so looking better looking better looking better 36 looking worse looking worse looking
04:32:54
Victoriaworse essentially well essentially yeah because then women start to go through menop and all of that so then you totally change your body and then you do start to age so so people there's no like physical signs of aging in one's
04:33:04
Brian Atlasface in 10 year period yeah of course there is but you ask how important is face when it comes to physical attractiveness yeah pretty important pretty important so you're not going to
04:33:16
Brian Atlashave any changes to your face you going to hit the gym for your face don't you have gym goals huh pardon don't you have gym goals yeah so like what if you have
04:33:27
Victoriaa gym goal now how is it going to get better after 10 years well if you have a look atet your goal before 10 years well the beauty in the gym is it's ever it's always changing so just say when I started at the gym um my goal was to put on weight and then I got into
04:33:41
Brian Atlasbodybuilding and I had a bodybuilding goal then I got into powerlifting and then I had powerlifting goals now I'm out of powerlifting and I have different goals now so it's a forever Evolution so you actually never reach a final
04:33:50
Morgan / mixeddestination in the gym gross sounds terrible working out is terrible what well no just having that constantly moving goalpost do you out terrible I do
04:34:01
Brian Atlasyeah what do you do for working out I go to the gym but do you have goals there my goal is to lose weight how do you how do you maintain that how do you hit that goal
04:34:12
Morgan / mixedhave you hit that goal no I've not hit my goal but so how is that so my goal is a desired weight that I want to get to all I'm saying like if that's works for
04:34:23
Brian Atlasher that's great but I hate the moving goal poost I I like to have when you what is your goal like a specific number or like like a you look so when you get there what's going to
04:34:34
Brian Atlashappen I hopefully I will maintain that weight you got to it's not it's not just maintain you got to like body's always going to be changing that there's always going to be a goal it's just not just
04:34:45
Brian Atlashit it and then but my body is changing therefore I have to change to keep my goal where it is yeah that's what we're saying that the goal is what we there's always going to be but the goal is still the same
04:34:56
Brian Atlasplace I'm just shooting the ball at a different angle okay you guys okay so I guess yes you could be morbidly
04:35:08
Brian Atlasobese at 26 and in the worst shape of your life and then you die it and then you would have a more physically attractive Body by the time you're
04:35:18
Brian Atlas36 but again all else being equal assuming that you were already in like fairly Peak Physical shape at
04:35:27
Brian Atlas26 do you still think if you were also in Peak Physical shape at 36 that you're going to be more physically
04:35:39
Victoriaattractive great question um total transparency I hope so but I don't know maybe maybe not depends on how I look after to myself in the next 10 years if you're asking about me
04:35:51
Brian Atlasspecifically you're in Peak Physical shape I'm granting that you're in Peak Physical shape now yeah and then in 10 years time you're also in Peak Physical shape yeah in terms of your Fitness whatever
04:36:03
Brian Atlasphysique but that's not going to undo the fact that there's changes to your skin that occur there's changes to your face wrinkling Etc yeah that's that are just Unstoppable they are inevitable and
04:36:17
Brian Atlasthey're undeniable yeah I never denied that I don't care how much in fact I don't care how good you the cream you use or what
04:36:27
Brian Atlasyou do or the minimizing of sun exposure over a 10-year period of time there are going to be such changes to your face that regardless of all the
04:36:39
Brian Atlasterrible treatment you did to your skin at 20 it's not going to be I don't think it can be substantially reversed it's just going to progressively get worse
04:36:51
Brian Atlasoxidation and if facial if facial attractiveness is a huge part of physical attractiveness then how can it possibly be that you would end up better looking
04:37:02
Victoriaat 36 than at 26 H that's a well do you want like a hypothetical or do you want like because hypothetically
04:37:15
VictoriaI'm again I'm taking personal anecdotes from close personal friends that are in that age bracket and I think about what their faces looked like at 26 and sometimes you still have a little bit of chub or you have a baby face and then now as they've matured as women they've
04:37:27
Victoriagot these great jawlines structures cheekbones and stuff because they've matured more and so it depends I guess what you like I think that that's great I love looking at I actually think softer faces in women are more
04:37:38
Brian Atlasattractive see so it's up personal op men find softer faces more attrative I love a ja line and I love in addition to fine if I even grant that men find super
04:37:49
Victoriaoh you find you find that more attractive in men or in women oh in both like think about like a young Johnny Deb with like he's a rip a jawline I think it's great and so I love when I
04:38:01
Victoriasee he looks the same he's older now he's not as physically attractive now yeah that's true I think I don't understand why this is such a complex
04:38:10
Brian Atlasquestion for you uh okay so okay I'll just fine even for men that are inclined to find super sharp
04:38:20
Brian Atlasfeatures attractive in women the uh I don't know what the term is what you said the the cheeks cheekbones and jeel L yeah yeah whatever I don't I don't like
04:38:31
Victoriathat but fine if they're into that whatever uh what about wrinkles what about aging what about eye bags it's I don't know know like I don't think at 36 like I feel like you're
04:38:43
Brian Atlaspainting a picture of like at 36 you look like decrepit and old and like again I'm just thinking that's not what I'm saying but you start getting some of those things but I'm not arguing that
04:38:55
Brian Atlasyou don't she said it we going to start declining right that's what you said that's what I'm so like perplexed about you asked me specifically from 26 to 36 do I think let me ask you this if God made you perfect how come you have a
04:39:06
Brian Atlasnose job I don't have a nose job but thank you I have my lips D that's it y you don't have a nose job no I don't have a nose job really I have fake lips but that's it oh well if you got me
04:39:18
Victoriaperfect why do you have fake lips um I used to get my lips done from about 18 until 2022 um and then that was the last time I got my lips done before you thought there was some imperfection that needed
04:39:29
Victoriato be uh healed or taken yeah absolutely and that was before I was in faith um but yeah I used to love getting my lips some because I was insecure about them do you don't let them get done anymore ever again no I haven't had my lips done
04:39:40
Victoriasince yeah 22 in July so there will be no more cosmetic surgery for you ever no the only thing I would love to get done is probably get this scar on my head removed but at some point that's it
04:39:51
Brian Atlasthere's never going to be anything else no I don't think so no so right now objectively without any sort of cosmetic
04:40:00
Brian Atlassurgery whatsoever without any sort of lip filler butt lift anything else you objectively believe at 39 you're going to be as attractive as you are right this second
04:40:17
Victoriaignore no no no sorry um yeah that's a great question to be honest with you I didn't think about it that way I was more focusing on uh physical appearance and thinking about in 10 years what my
04:40:29
Victoriabody would look like um but when you put that argument there of what your face will look like I have to agree with you but that's not the measure I was kind of
04:40:39
Brian Atlasusing isn't your physical attractiveness also based on your face yeah so I'm totally agreeing with you guys I'm just saying like if somebody went and splashed acid in your face you would be
04:40:48
Brian Atlasless physically attractive than you are right now probably right yeah yeah so if if somebody's asking you about your physical attractiveness aren't they taking the totality of your physical
04:41:00
Brian Atlasappearance this would include your weight your height your facial features all of that and it would be combining them into this I don't know if we could give it something like let's say a
04:41:10
Brian Atlasnumber for instance um where we said if we took all of those physical features and we were to put it between 1 and 10
04:41:20
Brian Atlasyou could come up with blank at 39 if you had 1 to 10 to choose from right now you're a seven what are you at 39 why do I feel like I'm getting boxed
04:41:33
Brian Atlasin with like the uncomfortability of writing people um you are getting boxed in good your logic is dumb you deserve to get boxed in now answer the question um I didn't think anyways um you don't
04:41:45
Brian Atlasthink what answer the question if I said that I'm an eight right now at 26 and then if we're looking at 36 and if we're going now by the alternative factors of Aging um I guess you could make the analysis that
04:41:58
Victoriayou would probably be a six by that point what do you think you would be then by that analysis man I'd hope not but you never know no probably what do you think
04:42:09
Brian Atlasobjectively you think at 39 years old absent any sort of cosmetic surgery whatsoever no lip fillers no nose job no whatever it is none of that if you want
04:42:21
Brian Atlasto be super I'm even get a grant you work out every single day you try to keep the yourself in the best shape you possibly can at 39 years old does the number go down or does it go up well if
04:42:34
Victoriayou as I said if you want to be super nuanced you could probably have an increase in your body and a decrease in your face um which would then probably even it out if you're an eight now and you're saying hypothetically you'd be a six you'd probably just land at a seven
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Brian Atlasis that where you think you're going to be I'd hope so is that where you think you're going to be not what you hope um I'd make the assum I hope I'm going to be a millionaire tomorrow that's great that I hope that but I don't think that
04:42:58
Brian Atlasthat's probably going to be true so whether you hope that or not I'm asking you do you think that yeah why not yeah so you think you'll be an eight at 39 no
04:43:08
Brian AtlasI said a seven a seven and you think you're a what right now I said an eight an eight so you're going to go down 1 point at 39 let's what about a 42 that's only a
04:43:20
Brian Atlascouple of years away from 39 H well we said 36 not 39 um okay 36 so
04:43:30
Brian Atlas42 who do I know that's 42 um for some reason that Big 4 Z for women for I know that this is going to be really hit 40
04:43:41
Brian Atlasman it's done right it's done CLE up till they're 39 and2 years old they're gorgeous but the second they hit that 40 it's over I know what I'm getting myself into by saying this and I totally
04:43:54
Brian Atlasunderstand but the only people that I know that are in their 40s are literally the Kardashians and I'm like I know they have so much work done but they don't
04:44:02
Brian Atlaslook horri 40 like they're not ugly I'm literally 40 wait hold on literally 40 showed you a picture of me at 19 years old the standard for men at their 40s
04:44:15
Brian Atlasright I'm probably one of the better looking ones out there and I'm a four why do you think that age for men when they have testosterone for instance which is the Fountain of Youth and women
04:44:27
Brian Atlashave estrogen which is the Fountain of age literally why would you ever think for a second that even though men if they keep their testosterone High which again like I said Fountain of Youth why
04:44:40
Brian Atlasdo you think that you would appear younger or better looking at that age than right now underscore theore patriarchy donated
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Brian Atlas$199.99 to the former pimp if you would look the same in 10 or 20 years did you recruit 40y olds to join your stable um we actually did have some people at the agency that were not 40
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Victoriabut we had people that were in their mid to late 30s definitely um but as we all know the highest paid people um and the most looked up porn is teen and um barely legal and fresh teen so I think that's just a basic obvious thing that