She Is A TEN?! BETTER Looking At 30/40+?! Young Andrew Wilson REVEAL?! (GIGACHAD) | Dating Talk #180
Date: 2024-07-22
Duration: 7h 16m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Victoria(guest)
SPEAKER_03Morgan / mixed(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Diana(guest)
SPEAKER_12Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_13Mixed guests(guest)
SPEAKER_14Madison(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:42
IntroDiana introduces herself (19, UCSB, Moscow Russia); sings Russian national anthem on request.
“my name is Diana I'm 19 years old I'm now a student here at UCSB I'm major in drama and Eon but I'm originally from Russia”
00:03:38
IntroVictoria introduces herself (26, Melbourne Australia); reveals she co-founded Australia's biggest OnlyFans agency and now speaks against it.
“my name is Victoria I'm from Melbourne Australia I'm 26 years old and I do activism and Ministry work full-time”
01:00:00
QuoteAlysa self-identifies at length during ministry debate: "my name's Alysa I'm 23 there ain't nothing special about me I'm just passionately pursuing the Lord"
“my name's Alysa I'm 23 there ain't nothing special about me I'm just passionately pursuing the Lord”
01:22:12
Key MomentBrian reads 1 Timothy 2:12 ("I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man") and debates Alysa and Victoria about women in ministry roles.
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man she must be quiet”
01:36:00
Key MomentAndrew Wilson traps Alysa with the logic that if she cannot teach or correct men, she must stay silent on theology for the rest of the podcast. Alysa maintains ministry is serving not formal teaching.
“if that is true then be quiet the rest of this podcast and never correct another thing I say about theology ever”
01:36:54
QuoteVictoria describes her work managing OnlyFans agency: 24 models, chatters in Philippines pretending to be the girls, trained with "briefs" to represent each model. Left industry ~1 year prior.
“we train them as well and we have this thing called a brief so they can best represent the girl”
01:53:48
QuoteBrian reads Cheryl Sandberg quote: "date all of them - the bad boys, the cool boys, the crazy boys - but do not marry them." Brian criticizes the advice as leading women to accumulate baggage before settling.
“when looking for life partner my advice to women is date all of them the bad boys the cool boys”
02:06:00
Key MomentBrian argues women's attraction to "bad boys" is a pathology (hybristophilia) that causes relationship failure. Panel pushes back.
“this attraction to Bad Boys jerks it's absolutely a pathology you guys should see therapists”
03:43:21
Key MomentRatings round from Stiffler chat question. Diana asks panel to rate themselves 1-10. Alysa and Victoria insist everyone is a 10. Extended debate on whether rating yourself a 10 is delusional or faith-based confidence.
“ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 can't pick seven starting with you”
04:48:00
AgreementVictoria acknowledges Brian's point that men are attracted to younger women primarily for procreation biology reasons, despite initially arguing it was about "innocence."
“I guess you could see it from that perspective absolutely yeah”
05:51:00
QuoteBrian explains "league theory": women can have casual sex with high-value men but those men won't commit, causing women to think their league is higher than it is and to bypass men who would actually commit.
“as men our league is the women we can sleep with”
06:20:00
TopicAndrew Wilson announces he will debate Destiny (Steven Bonnell) that Thursday evening, with myON as moderator.
“that's going on Thursday evening I did request a moderator for the debate”
Topics Discussed
00:02:42
Guest introductions
Brian introduces 8 female panel guests and Andrew Wilson. Guests give name/age/location/occupation. Relationship status round follows.
00:15:00
Relationship history / situationships
Panel discusses relationship history, on-off relationships, single duration, and situationships. Victoria discusses 6-year on-and-off dynamic with older man.
00:30:00
Women in ministry and Christian theology
Extended debate on whether women can/should hold ministry/teaching roles per 1 Timothy 2:12. Alysa and Victoria defend women sharing the gospel; Andrew Wilson argues scripture restricts women from teaching authority over men. Speaking in tongues, mutual submission, and feminism in church discussed.
00:30:00
Men pursuing women / dating to marry
Discussion on whether women should pursue men, signaling interest, and dating with intent to marry vs. casual dating.
00:55:00
Body bow video / female submission
Brian shows video of woman bowing to husband at home. Panel debates whether this is demeaning or respectful. Andrew Wilson endorses it; married guests disagree with the specific video but support submission in marriage.
01:10:00
OnlyFans industry / exploitation of women
Victoria details how OnlyFans agencies operate (fake chatters, psychological manipulation). Discussion of how agencies recruit young women and exploit subscriber psychology. Victoria now educates against this.
02:00:00
Chemistry / "the click" in dating
Brian argues women's requirement for instant 'chemistry/click' is a pathology that causes them to reject good men and chase bad boys. Female guests debate whether chemistry can develop. Andrew compares to men never needing 'chemistry' to be attracted.
02:30:00
Body count and born-again virginity
Debate on whether women who were previously promiscuous can authentically commit to celibacy/waiting-for-marriage. Brian argues the double standard bothers men ('why him and not me?'). Victoria defends spiritual basis for recommitment.
03:43:00
Self-rating / attractiveness round
Stiffler's chat question: rate yourself 1-10, can't pick 7. Diana: 8.5, Alysa: 10, Carly: 7, Ashley/Victoria: 10, Michaela: 6 typically/8 on good day, Madison: 8, Morgan: 8. Andrew: 10 (joking). Brian: 4. Extended debate on whether self-rating 10 is delusional or faith-based confidence.
04:53:00
Women better looking with age (30/40+)
Discussion sparked by episode title - whether some women look better at 30-40 than their 20s. Victoria claims she'll be better looking at 36 than now at 26. Brian challenges how she can rate herself 10 now if she'll be better later.
04:56:00
League theory and dating market dynamics
Brian explains why women overestimate their league by having sexual access to higher-value men who will not commit. Women mistake sexual access for relationship league. Both Andrew and Brian argue this causes women to bypass their actual match.
06:20:00
Destiny debate announcement
Andrew Wilson announces upcoming debate with Destiny (Steven Bonnell). Destiny declined in-person debate citing threats related to his takes on the political situation. myON agreed to moderate.
06:55:00
Passport Bros / international dating
Discussion on short 5'6" man asking how to improve dating odds. Panel suggests dating shorter women, going to social settings, working out. Passport Bros strategy debated (Asian/Latin women vs. American women). Andrew dislikes advice about foreign women.
Transcript
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01:53:49
Brian Atlasdate is because feminism has Mor into this I can't speak for the entirety of it because to be honest it's not something I study because I'm not
01:54:00
Brian Atlasinterested in it but I do see the side effects especially with young women I see women just normalizing man-hating and desensitizing each other to it by
01:54:11
Brian Atlasconstantly joking about it but it does actually affect people in society and I think women are starting to have no problem openly hating men men are
01:54:21
Brian Atlasgetting pissed off and men are not wanting to respond to that in a nice way and it's just causing arguments and fights I think women are meant to be more submissive and it's one of the
01:54:31
Brian Atlasreasons why feminism is cancerous because it's not submissiveness it's okay yeah it's not and you also said not really dating related but
01:54:42
Brian Atlascollege is a brainwashing predatory Financial scam yeah yeah yeah of course I I worded it in that way to be a little bit of a hot take right but I do think the way the college is set up is
01:54:54
Brian Atlasabsolutely psychotic I think I think it's about the average 25-year-old college student I think 24 25 is at least in $45,000 of debt at least and
01:55:05
Brian Atlasthat's median I believe which is crazy and then in these colleges I mean they're encouraged to um you know focus on these degrees which is costing them
01:55:15
Brian Atlasextra money they're not or Majors rather get certificates and stuff when honestly you could go to there's I think there's 24 states where there are community colleges that actually um allow you to
01:55:28
Brian Atlasget your bachelor's degree through that and you could save up to $30,000 and and going to these universities ends up being this like sheep mindset that it just puts all these people together and
01:55:38
Brian Atlasteaches them the culture just teaches these people to be to think one way and that way unfortunately I think is causing the downfall of our society it's kind of like a weird predatory Financial
01:55:51
Brian Atlasbabysitting scheme of of course you have to go to college if you need to get a degree to be a doctor and whatnot I'm not I'm not stupid I know that it's just I think in general people go there
01:56:02
Brian Atlasbecause they don't know what to do next and they're screwing their own life up and being that much in debt people don't want to marry you if you're in $50,000
01:56:12
Brian Atlasof debt that's stressful finan Financial issues is one of the huge reasons marriages break up and people divorce is stressed from that all right and then you wanted to talk about bringing it
01:56:23
Brian Atlasback to dating related uh going on dates with guys that were really nice but the chemistry wasn't there made me feel guilty when I had when I'd end things with them I never could let them pay for
01:56:36
Brian Atlasme if it was a one-off date I even agreed to be someone's girlfriend once went on a few dates over the course of a month felt so guilty when the chemistry didn't happen that I tried to offer to pay him back for the dates and flowers
01:56:47
Brian Atlashe didn't let me pay he didn't let me pay back because he was really nice mhm yeah in the in the past I've never dated a stranger in my life they've always been like a male friend that I met through school or whatnot or someone I
01:56:59
Brian Atlasknew from family friends and so I knew who they were they were nice and maybe they'd take me on a date and I just felt didn't feel the chemistry and it's not a matter of like I care so much about oh
01:57:10
Brian Atlas50/50 split the I don't care but I do feel bad like when I realize after this dinner I don't want to do anything else with you like I don't want to pursue this then I don't want to let them pay
01:57:21
Brian Atlasfor me I mean obviously this in the past I'm married now and yeah even gone to a dinner date and I didn't even end up eating because I felt so bad but I just didn't want to reject them I mean I'm
01:57:32
Brian Atlasolder now so I'm more mature now so but they were so nice and I thought you know it's potentially I'd be willing to try it out but yeah that's the thing is I don't feel like a um I don't feel
01:57:44
Brian Atlasentitled to people buying me dinner when I realize like the chemistry is not there and we're not going to do it again that's true I agree I don't feel entitled to that never felt that way so this guy that you said with guys so this has
01:57:57
Brian Atlashappened to you multiple times correct yes okay uh and were these attractive guys yes they were nice treated you well yeah but there wasn't chemistry yeah so
01:58:08
Brian Atlaswhat does that even mean chemistry yeah yeah that's the thing you know there's really no way to Simply explain chemistry I guess simp to simplify it we'll just say attraction because somebody but you said they were
01:58:21
Morgan / mixedphysically attractive and they people can be very physically attractive but for some reason it's just not clicking and you know that's true you see gorgeous one not from the male perspective not from the male
01:58:33
Brian Atlasperspective from the female perspective you hear this all the time he was the perfect package he was good-look attractive had a job good personality right but just there wasn't the
01:58:46
Brian Atlaschemistry there wasn't the vibe there wasn't the click yeah it happens yeah this is women's desire for a guy who treats them poorly essentially no actually what it was it is no actually
01:58:56
Brian Atlasit first of all no I was very young I was very young I was 17 years old 18 years old and I realized that if I was going to be in a relationship that would one day develop into marriage that's a long time to spend with somebody when
01:59:09
Brian Atlasyou're that young cuz you don't get married at 18 19 20 so I didn't want to waste their time and what did I do I paid for my meal I didn't make them pay for me so I think that's the polite thing to do I just think I
01:59:22
Brian AtlasI don't have OB I just think that's an uncommon thing because an uncommon thing is even I've noticed a lot of like hard core feminists still think that their meal should be paid for for these guys
01:59:35
Brian Atlasand they owe them nothing and I'm not talking about an exchange of carnal knowledge or anything crazy like that but I just personally think if the date doesn't work out and you know in your heart you're not you're not going you're
01:59:47
Brian Atlasnot feeling it okay it happens big deal Big W cry about it it happens I think it is polite to pay your own bill and not make them pay for you I just think that's super rude and I would never be able to let them pay okay but I don't
01:59:59
Brian Atlasreally I'm so I'm not really trying to argue the whole money component to this I'm more so interested in this whole like he's attractive mhm he's pleasant
02:00:09
Brian Atlasgood personality treats you well yes but there's just not that click the vibe the chemistry even if their personalities they're not like weird or they're just they're good people well don't you have
02:00:22
Brian Atlaspeople you're not friends with because you guys just don't Vibe what like there's a group of people that you don't talking about dating I know but it's the same thing human interaction like like you and I were not we wouldn't hang okay like I'm going do
02:00:35
Brian Atlasa girl I don't know there's you and I like I don't know okay I don't want to be pan anybody out but there's certain people you just won't you don't Vibe with you don't hang out with it's not that they're bad people or there there's something wrong about them you just
02:00:46
Brian Atlasdon't click that's why there's Clicks in school that's why there's same actually isn't true so I mean at least from the male perspective so I mean I can let you finish if I didn't mean to cut you off if you want well no I'm just I agree
02:00:58
Brian Atlaswith her I happened to me like recently where I met up with someone and I'm like oh I already know and I I ended up paying for myself cuz I you you already knew I that we just there wasn't a a a
02:01:09
Brian Atlaschemistry a click what do you do to create the click the vibe the chemistry cuz it always seems like it's the men that have to be conducting themselves in a certain way in order to elicit that obnoxious it's actually obnoxious I
02:01:22
Brian Atlasthink what's obnoxious it's obnoxious when people are just and I know it happens and I understand why people do it but that people are so formal and fake during dates now I'm all for formality and all that but I no you
02:01:35
Brian Atlasdon't need to conduct yourself in a certain way that's I'm way that's not what I'm saying I think he's asking like what do we do in order to create chemistry see because the vibe and the
02:01:44
Brian Atlaschemistry the vibe is only something that is elicited by the maale no no no no no no you make jokes with him and he doesn't get you guys it's you guys who
02:01:56
Brian Atlasfeel no no no it's because it's you guys who feel the chemistry or the click or the vibe you know when you're making eye contact with somebody when you're on a date and then there you just feel something you either do or you don't so
02:02:07
Brian Atlasyou would take a guy whose eye contact was weak then you're so you're so funny and you're really good you're really good at breaking these things you're really good at breaking these things down but the truth is if I just picked the first guy that went on a date with
02:02:21
Brian Atlascuz I've never gone on date with a weird guy ever and I didn't date a lot but they were my friends and I gave them a chance because they were interested and I didn't want you say you were in favor arranged marriage what if there's no chemistry or the click or the vibe in an
02:02:32
Brian Atlasarranged marriage this is a different subject and I actually think that but let me ask you a question on have you ever had amazing chemistry amazing Vibe
02:02:41
Brian Atlasamazing click with a guy who a week a month 3 months a year down the road was a terrible person and treated you like
02:02:52
Brian Atlasso is it I'm not arguing I'm not arguing that you should only 100% I'm not arguing that connection is what makes a healthy marriage that is a way bigger but why can't that just be something
02:03:02
Brian Atlasthat develops oh I didn't feel that in 5 minutes so I'm going to go chase the guy aru now hold on the guy the guy who's capable of eliciting the chemistry the click the vibe he can elicit that in all
02:03:16
Brian Atlasthe other women too so women will Overlook the guy who's actually good for them right match because there's not this like vague ethereal chemistry click Vibe I'm thinking also physical I think should physical attraction that's not
02:03:27
Brian Atlaswhat I'm saying okay what are you talking women will frequently say he was perfect in every way goodlook uh you know physically
02:03:36
Brian Atlasgood-look body good face good good personality nice has a job no red flags everything but despite this I still wasn't attracted to him you can't point
02:03:47
Brian Atlasme to a man who's like she's beautiful beautiful she was in me really into me really into me great personality wonderful personality big tits big ass
02:03:58
Brian Atlaswhatever it is but I just didn't she was she was a 10 out of 10 in looks and she was she she had her together and she had a pleasant personality she was submissive but I just didn't feel the
02:04:10
Andrew Wilsonthere wasn't the click I didn't feel I said no man ever and what so women and men are different okay what do we what I mean men and women are different you attracted I'm sorry were you attracted
02:04:21
Andrew Wilsonto this guy physically or no right but there's this component there is this Trope of women being attracted to like like the the bad boys the you want to bring that up that's that's interesting subject to bring up definitely yeah
02:04:34
Brian Atlasthat's that's real because nothing that's too perfect I'm just saying it's hard to be attracted to something that's too perfect you need a little bit of rough around the edges and some people don't like that because it's uh Dynamic you
02:04:47
Brian Atlasknow and life is long and you want to be with someone that's uh that's can be hot and cold and interesting I don't mean I don't want that that's okay feel like being toxic let me let me walk that back
02:04:58
Brian Atlashot and cold I don't mean uh bipolar disorder I just mean someone that you know will challenge you sometimes and I don't I don't like men yesti men you know for me that doesn't work and I know
02:05:11
Brian Atlasyou're upset about that because you're saying that's not fair because these men are so perfect and these women still don't feel it but there's a lot of women out there and there's a lot of men out there you know you can sometimes sometimes it's going to work and sometimes it's not I question and it can
02:05:24
Brian Atlasbe unfortunate I actually think this is a pathology among women this attraction to Bad Boys jerks it's absolutely a pathology you guys should see therapists just what's wrong with that what's wrong with that it's very
02:05:36
Brian Atlastoxic what's wrong with that so you spend your 20s The Jerk bad boys that's what happens and then you wait until you're 30 you you settle for a nice guy and then you ultimately resent him because he can't excite you
02:05:48
Brian Atlasin the ways that you've wired your brain to be excited in all your past relationships your pair bonding is absolutely scuffed and then uh you end up divorcing him after a couple years that's a horrible why are you telling
02:06:00
Victoriasuch a sad story this is like a really sad ROM so the it is unfortunate I don't live in LA of land but I mean what are you going to do like what are you going to do I have a question what are you
02:06:13
Brian Atlasgoing to do about it I mean we can I'm just saying I'm just so what you're saying is if I'm going if I go back in time and 18 years old 17 years old you can't do anything now and I was
02:06:24
Brian Atlason a date with a friend a male friend who asked me out and I wanted and I wanted to see you know if it could go somewhere it chose not to I paid him back for the dinner or I paid for my half or whatever and we kind of remained
02:06:38
Brian Atlasawkward friends until he drifted away cuz he didn't really like that I mean what of it like what's the big deal should I go back in time and be with him is that the right thing to do just because he's lovely I mean seriously
02:06:49
Brian Atlaswell I'm speaking in generalities here I'm noticing a trend and so you can't you obviously can't go back and go select the guy who was perfect in every way but they're just wasn't the the
02:07:01
Brian Atlaschemistry the vibe you know also frankly I don't even know what that really means further can be something that develops over time actually it's essentially do you guys believe it Love at that's essentially love at first sight no no I
02:07:14
Brian Atlasknow what you're saying and I agree and I actually do think that for a lot of people arranged marriages would be a good option and no you're not going to get into aranged marriage and immediately be attracted to someone I
02:07:24
Brian Atlasthink that it growing is healthy because that connection connection sweet like that kind of thing does not make a marriage last not even little it's not about the the emotional connection so
02:07:35
Brian Atlaslet me ask the whole panel here some questions do you think if a girl had a standard of I have to fall in love with him within 5 minutes of meeting is that a reasonable standard right okay so if
02:07:47
Brian Atlaswe're looking at the Spectrum of he's super boring he's super boring on this end and love at first sight on this
02:07:56
Brian Atlasend click chemistry Vibe within 5 minutes is somewhere maybe not precisely in the middle so you're you're getting on the spectrum of just being delusional
02:08:08
Brian Atlasin your expectations of men because you're rejecting men who would otherwise be good partners because they weren't able to trigger something in you immediately that's why you keep ending
02:08:19
Brian Atlasup with boys and jerks and asshol because the guys who are capable of eliciting look there are good guys who can elicit this too I am married this is not this is not a precise criticism of
02:08:31
Brian Atlasher it's just a I know that it's a more broad generalized statement here so yeah you guys have this expectation that there's like a click that needs to be
02:08:41
Brian Atlasinstantaneous well why why does there need to be an instantaneous I was more so thinking I was more so speaking about like us physical rtion so you were physically attracted I'm talking about
02:08:53
Brian Atlasphysical I think we should be attracted physically attracted but wom say he's good looking he's got a job he treats me well etc etc etc he's not weird or
02:09:04
Brian Atlascreepy or anything he's just like maybe a bit dull or whatever yeah yeah yeah you'll reject guy trouble with dating people that that's the thing my husband when I met him I didn't have that clian
02:09:15
Morgan / mixedattraction I knew him for a year hardly even platonically we were talking in a professional setting and well yeah but the guy's like 96 right how old are you
02:09:25
Brian AtlasAndrew I'm like 96 yeah so we're the same age so you have a problem with age capap relationships is that it no I don't have any problem with agap relationship there's nothing to make fun
02:09:36
Brian Atlasof and by the way it's not 96 not even close and you know what that would that is crazy I think people calm down Cal it was a joke to
02:09:46
Brian Atlaslighten the mood it was a joke to lighten the mood and it's okay it's okay I accept I accept your your agist joke against my husband I accept is it AG by
02:09:57
Brian Atlasby a joke it's so AG Ages was it was it off such a manh feminist joke that you just made hey hey when your friends say how's your old man they really mean how's your old man right that's what
02:10:08
Brian Atlasthey really mean don't they like how's your old man doing you're like well uh looking better and younger than most men right so back to the even in their 20s how he doing so back to the topic at
02:10:19
Brian Atlashand so I'll just like I'll do a comparison here in terms of descriptors so it's like this whole like but there wasn't the vibe but he was perfect in every way so you met a guy who checks all the boxes tall handsome fit
02:10:32
Brian Atlassuccessful kind generous nice well adjusted good personality emot emotionally available but there just wasn't the chemistry click Vibe if we reverse this it would be about as arler
02:10:43
Brian Atlasas me saying I met a girl who checks all my boxes who is beautiful great body perfect boo perfect ass feminine submissive kind nurturing pleasant but
02:10:53
Brian Atlasthere just wasn't the click I would be I would be delusional to disregard a woman who had all these qualities because there wasn't an
02:11:06
Brian Atlasimmediate have you ever gone on a date with a woman and she was gorgeous nice sweet friendly and then you didn't end up in a relationship with her because you just weren't that interested after the date has that ever
02:11:17
Brian Atlashappen it's not that complicated have you ever gone on a date with a woman that was pretty great but you didn't feel it and then you didn't Rel she was desirous of pursuing a relationship with me well if you're on a date isn't that
02:11:29
Brian Atlasnot what A datea is for okay so she was she was just constantly hitting me up and I was curving her why are you saying all this extra stuff what do you mean Brian no that's literally never happened never it's literally never happened
02:11:42
Brian Atlasevery s girl been on a date with that was pleasant and you you had a relationship with her after you actually well who said that she's not able to reject me oh is that why you're upset he
02:11:53
Brian Atlastriggered him okay well there's the typical like feminist uh shame insult need to be right kill stuff but so you asked me hold on you asked me if I've
02:12:04
Brian Atlasever been do you think every date a guy goes on he's going to close 100% of the dates do you think a guy can close 100% of the dates he's been on are you delusional what are you talking about I
02:12:16
Brian Atlasam sympathetic to the fact that sometimes girls reject guys I'll just answer your question so if the girl is interested in me and she has all those criteria yes I dated all of them yeah yeah okay that's great you
02:12:28
Brian Atlasknow I do think it is too bad but I think ultimately there should be but why didn't end up working out it just didn't end up working out something that I do is the point I like to help talk to women on my channel on my
02:12:41
Brian AtlasYouTube channel once in a while because mainly my audience is men cuz I talk about watches boring whatever but sometimes I try to talk to them about what men want in relationships and I do think rejecting someone just because you
02:12:54
Brian Atlasdon't immediately have a Vibe is silly I was 17 years old that's an old story if women in general are doing this you're using that story as an example of how women are in general yeah I mean I think women should give men more of a chance
02:13:06
Brian Atlasbut I mean what are you going to do after a Some Time dating someone and you never have that connection I mean you just don't marry everyone that you date even if they're pretty awesome I don't know what to tell you I honestly think it kind of makes sense for women to do
02:13:19
Madisonthat because if they don't feel the click or whatever attraction trigger right away what else are they going to do to like pursue you and show interest in you and actually like carry on the relationship if they're not interested
02:13:30
Madisonyou in the first place they're just going to do
02:13:37
Brian Atlasnothing right so I mean it's not a I mean women are going to act how they're going to act like this it's not going to change I'm just saying it's honestly a
02:13:48
Brian Atlaspathology it is it that's my argument it's l the this this actually that's studed there's this term called hilia where women are actually attracted to criminal
02:13:59
Brian Atlasbehavior in men you don't see this manifesting itself nearly to the same degree in men for example who are attracted to women who are drug dealers the Pagan
02:14:11
Brian Atlas$2 woman on the panel speaking of the vibe this is exactly what players do talk the game feed you The Vibes and Bam take advantage bang and go
02:14:21
Brian Atlasyou are being grifted grifted all thank you the Pagan appreciate it bro apprciate it I literally said to
02:14:30
Brian Atlaspay doesn't work how's that g there this quote by Silly Goose Cheryl Sandberg I think I don't even did you say silly goose silly goose I uh about dating bad
02:14:43
Brian Atlasboys or something did you learn that from the 96 year old your I think her name is Cher that's a pretty old say come on it's andw I was a nanny I was a nanny for many years oh yeah I love kids
02:14:55
Brian Atlasso I silly use it works dating it usually uh de escalates people too cuz it's ridiculous do you have the Pinterest thing or the a quote can I ask you
02:15:06
Morgan / mixedthough you said that um these guys were your friends before you you always knew these guys before you agreed to date so wouldn't you have already known that there wasn't that romantic Vibe well
02:15:17
Brian Atlasthat's the thing is I didn't have that immediate click connection as we were friends but I still gave it a chance because they were really nice and if sometimes you give something a chance
02:15:28
Morgan / mixedand it doesn't work I didn't say no immediately I still let it I still tried I think that's how men and women are different as men they they always all the women around them they always think like yeah I'd do her no I wouldn't do
02:15:41
Morgan / mixedher and women don't necessarily think that way where it's like for me like most of my guy friends growing up I knew no I don't want to date any of you guys you guys are my friends like I don't want to have any of that boundary
02:15:53
Morgan / mixedbreaking because I know I wouldn't click with you what do you what do you guys think the men the men what do you think do you think that men and women can just genuinely be friends yeah that's without
02:16:04
Brian Atlaswithout at least one women can be friends with men men cannot be friends with women so if you had a girlfriend would you be okay if she had male friends generally speaking what's that if you had a girlfriend and she was
02:16:17
Brian Atlasgreat everything was great between you two but she had male friends acceptable I understand that I think when you're married or you know you don't want to be married it's fine when you're committed
02:16:27
Brian Atlasto somebody I think it's okay to have a couple friends and there's like a couple and you guys can all do step together yeah but I do also agree that men and women can't really just be genuinely
02:16:39
Brian Atlasfriends without there can you pull it up please yeah I just want to make sure this is well go to here I mean you want go can
02:16:49
Brian Atlasyou go to the actual thing like go to images uh it should be a quotes when looking for life partner can you get it quick if you can while you're doing that hold
02:17:07
Brian Atlason this one that'll do uh Cheryl Samberg I guess she was the V isn't she working for Facebook or Yahoo or some in any case she wrote a book when looking for
02:17:21
Brian Atlaslife partner my advice to women is date all of them the bad boys the cool boys the commitment phobic boys the crazy boys but do not marry them the things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands when it comes time to settle down find someone who wants an
02:17:34
Brian Atlasequal partner someone who thinks women should be smart opinionated and ambitious someone who values fairness and expects or even better wants to do his share in the home these men exist and trust me over time nothing is sexier
02:17:46
Brian Atlaswow that is it's that last part over time I don't think you should date all the guys beforehand right I mean that's certainly my disagreement there I mean I
02:17:55
Brian Atlasmean that's essentially what happens so you'll you'll date these guys treat you poorly whatever get a bunch of baggage along the way and then you finally settle down with uh the guy who you
02:18:07
Brian Atlasactually think is uh below you who's out of your league but he's there he will give you commitment he'll give you uh um what's the term uh stability I guess
02:18:19
Brian Atlasfrom your previously extremely chaotic romantic and sex life and then eventually you divorce him and uh I think that's basically how that plays
02:18:31
Andrew Wilsonout that's terrible advice I would never ever take advice from someone whose life is not the type of life I would want to live I think that's safe to say in every
02:18:40
Brian Atlasscenario yeah I don't would you say that you're high maintenance oh 100% yeah but but I think not high maintenance in the sense of I need other people to maintain me I take a lot to maintain myself and
02:18:53
Brian AtlasI'm not talking about going and getting my nails done I'm talking about just a lot of mental stuff and learning and alone time to ponder things and well I've been kind of scouting through your YouTube channel here and it seems like
02:19:05
Brian Atlasyou talk a lot about having an elegant lifestyle how elegant and great the lifestyle is that you have not necessarily and then at the same time you're kind of saying that women shouldn't be brats and shouldn't be so high maintenance but you sure appear
02:19:18
Morgan / mixedlike you're kind of high maintenance to be honest with you thank you is that is that I don't know is that a compliment it's not an insult actually my most recent video is prescribing to
02:19:29
Morgan / mixedmen and women to become more high maintenance because I think it weeds out oh I thought a second ago you weren't high maintenance now I said I was I said I was you misheard me I said I was high I didn't
02:19:42
Brian Atlasmishar you because earlier in the conversation with Brian you said that women need to stop being so high mten no I didn't that I did not say those words one of the conversation was specifically
02:19:54
Brian Atlasabout this you're arguing might high maintenance is not the term I use in the verbiage is important not saying it's not the term you use but you're still alluding to the same thing well being high maintenance I'm talking about
02:20:06
Brian Atlasmaintaining yourself which I get into in that video which I'm sure you're not interested in watching it's totally fine but I'm not talking about other people having to do a lot to maintain you I'm talking about maintaining yourself
02:20:18
Brian Atlashighly I'm talking about not being a slob not being and by the way just to clarify my channel is not showing how elegant I think my lifestyle is it's actually trying to encourage other people to at least embark on a more elegant life and
02:20:30
Brian AtlasI personally think that will bring people a lot more happiness oh it's a very very long story and I think that Brian will fall asleep if what's what's the Reader's Digest version well I think that and if you don't know what the
02:20:42
Brian AtlasReader's Digest version is you can take a second to text a 96y old guy that you're with he'll tell you what a reader digest is if you don't know what it is but basically we're taking story going to cond it down so that we
02:20:54
Brian Atlasall know what it what it is very quickly I'm 28 I'm not a child I know what reader digest is okay my grandmother had it in her her house oh that's fair yeah
02:21:06
Brian Atlasmy husband is extremely intelligent and he's very he's not reading reader digest but whatever um just to summarize I think that the world has become more and more casual and I think the
02:21:18
Brian Atlascasualization of society is actually part of the downfall of society and that's why I think Elegance to me Elegance means wholesomeness it means doing things properly doing things well
02:21:30
Brian Atlascaring about the way you speak and treat others good manners making other people comfortable that's the way that Society can coexist together properly and we've
02:21:39
Morgan / mixedlost that largely I argue with a bunch of men on a podcast Andrew I'm here to help make the show right and if I'm just sitting here with my mouth shut there's no it's not entertain
02:21:51
Brian AtlasI'm here to talk yeah no I agree I agree that that's true I'm Notting just asking you about the idea of Elegance I don't think that the way that I've been um explaining myself has been inelegant in
02:22:02
Brian Atlasany way I don't think Elegance means necessarily being silent well I mean you think that Elegance means articulation or articulant cuz I don't think that those are the same
02:22:12
Brian Atlaswords so yeah you might have articulated yourself well but what does that have to do with elegance elegance it's it's basically just the entirety of who you are it's
02:22:24
Brian Atlasthe entirety of what you believe in it's like basically like good manners and good etiquette combined and then also just generally carrying carrying yourself in a way that's respectable and
02:22:36
Brian AtlasI think a lot of people are sloppy lazy disgusting gross and it's ruining our society and I think also let's be honest men don't want to be with a woman that's sloppy and gross he most men probably
02:22:49
Brian Atlaswouldn't want to be with a kind of a prissy person like myself that's fine um because I found somebody that absolutely cherishes it and nurtures that but I do think that Elegance doesn't mean having
02:23:01
Brian Atlasa bad attitude and being snotty it's about being it's about being conscientious and being kind and also saying no having boundaries cuz I think
02:23:12
Victoriabeing just someone that gets walked all over that's a low maintenance person and that's not elegant so that's it takes a long time to explain this it's not a
02:23:22
Victoriasimple concept and again I don't want to put everyone to sleep here yapping about it that be nice right yeah I tried not to but then he pursued it sorry I did ask for the Reader's Digest version
02:23:34
Morgan / mixedright and how long did I just talk 2 minutes I don't know it's a lot longer than any reader digest article I've read I don't know I haven't really like sat there and read reader digest I just know about it just like a cassette tapes I
02:23:46
Brian Atlasknow about those cassette tap they do exist I know about them uh moving things on then uh you also in your pre-show notes you said women should dress and
02:23:57
Brian Atlasbehave the way a man wants obviously within logical reason to attract a man do you uh why not do you want to be married or taken by a man then it only makes sense to be someone he wants to be
02:24:09
Brian Atlaswith some people might take that too far and pretend to be someone they're not and that's not what I'm suggesting if a man likes red lipstick wear it if he likes heels wear them it's not rocket science it's why accepted that a woman
02:24:21
Brian Atlascan change how a man dresses behaves domesticate him Etc correct mhm yeah I don't think you can yeah I I yeah
02:24:31
Brian Atlasif you say that the woman should bow I think she should agree AG I 100% agree I think it's ridiculous I think it's women and men can be this way too but we're talking about women right now women are
02:24:43
Brian Atlasvery delusional I don't know why they if you want to attract a man you have to do what he wants and sometimes you don't know but you can listen and
02:24:53
Brian Atlasthat's the thing is I do think the art of uh seduction in in a more innocent way I don't mean necessarily in a sexual way but the Art of Seduction I think does require a woman's Pursuit like
02:25:06
Brian AtlasAndrew was talking about earlier it's the signals and I think the way that you're dressing and presenting yourself to please him is one is a way that you pursue a man and it's one of the signals
02:25:17
Brian Atlasyeah why not yeah word okay cool all right uh then anyone
02:25:25
Brian Atlasobject have objections to her thing okay uh let's see uh bringing it to Ashley not really dating related I just
02:25:37
Brian Atlassaw this really quickly on your Instagram you like to talk to people in the sauna yeah the you talk to people in the sauna yeah it's actually a really good
02:25:48
Brian Atlasopportunity like you do s at the gym or well yeah yeah like after my workout I'll go sometimes or before and you know I think it's rude to talk to people in the song no I'm very aware like if I'm not going to just talk to everybody I'm
02:26:01
Brian Atlasnot that person cuz sometimes I don't want to be talked to and so I do my cues of like I'm in my zone but if people are like good morning like oh good morning and then they're still you know I'm feel like I'm I'm socially aware but yeah I I like conversations and the song all
02:26:14
Brian Atlasright anyways not going to linger on that one uh last time you were on I think what was the big thing that we got into be about was it the bullet thing was it the bullet com okay you know what
02:26:24
Brian Atlasit was about war and and victims right remember that did we hit the bolt like I watch the episode yeah you know what I after watching it and talking to some friends I want to R back and say Yes Men
02:26:36
Morgan / mixedare actually the main victim in war and I'm sorry oh I appreciate your apology deeply hurt W I know you guys were really hurting on that one but yeah
02:26:49
Brian Atlasthat was an intense show I watch that one Speaking of which I'll just ask that question really quickly since you brought it up um just going around the table who's the primary victim of war
02:26:57
Brian Atlasmen or women men men into the mics please oh sorry yeah men men men men
02:27:06
Brian Atlasokay yep all right um okay but didn't we get into the bullet stuff like sa a man sacrificing his life for his girlfriend or wife did we get into that um I don't know if we
02:27:19
Brian Atlasdid we I was I probably did I don't remember but what about it fixed please but what about I I I don't know I don't remember we probably did though what's what's the
02:27:31
Brian Atlasargument I don't know did is that do you recall us getting into that no I don't remember that no just trying to remember uh
02:27:41
Brian Atlasokay so uh H I thought we got into that but maybe that was a different show uh you said in your pre-show notes that you're conser traditional but you were
02:27:51
Brian Atlasextremely liberal in the past mhm lying manipulating getting into trouble did you say that I don't know bad girl I was a really bad girl like growing up yeah
02:28:03
Brian Atlasyou said you wanted to talk about ho phases is that correct this is like old show notes what's up with the new show notes I'll get i'll get to those did I say that were there previous ho phases
02:28:13
Brian Atlasoh yeah you had ho phases I had ho phes what did the H phas look like uh it was like After High School I got out of that four-year relationship and it was like my first dark relationship abusive
02:28:25
Brian Atlasrelationship and so I kind of went like eff it you know and I was very far from God I didn't I didn't grow up with God in my life at all so I had no sense of
02:28:33
Brian Atlasanything um and so yeah okay um you said recommitting to sex until marriage uh not in favor of sex outside of marriage although you have had yeah
02:28:45
Brian Atlasand I see the repercussions and the the the negative m consequences of that yeah okay and so um I could tell this is season about
02:28:57
Brian Atlasa huh you're about to grill me huh well not necessarily I mean so I do hear it a lot
02:29:07
Brian Atlasfrom from a lot of women some secular some religious some newly religious they had a bunch of sex now they want to wait months or even until marriage to have
02:29:16
Brian Atlassex mhm and I've always actually I know there's an argument here somewhere I just I've always struggled to actually articulate why it bothers me and why it
02:29:27
Brian Atlasseems a bit unfair and I've used analogies some fantastic analogies but I'm still trying to actually figure out put it into words why it bothers me well
02:29:39
Brian AtlasI think I've heard you say oh sorry go ahead you can finish sorry no I mean I'm can I take a stab at it yeah and actually can have a second and Andrew easier with him I know that it's not even your position I don't think it
02:29:52
Brian Atlasbothers you it bothers you at all for a woman who is previously promiscuous to actually make an immediate change and say I'm waiting till marriage I think you you're in favor I think it's like the greatest thing ever I I wish that
02:30:03
Brian Atlasfor all women and men by the way um so no it it not only doesn't bother me but that's the pathway I'd rather see him go down but I still think I understand the perspective and maybe maybe I can
02:30:14
Brian Atlasarticulate this sure yeah I think I think that uh from Brian perspective and from many men who share this view what they're actually saying
02:30:24
Brian Atlasis why him yeah why is it that I'm not good enough for you but he was good enough for you why is it that you refused to have an intimate relationship with me but would allow yourself to be
02:30:36
Brian Atlascheapened by him what sort of person are you that you would think so lowly of me but think so highly of him and I think that not only is this objection a good
02:30:48
Brian Atlasobjection uh and it's a well-reasoned objection but it's actually a difficult one to argue with it's actually to argue with it's actually pretty simple like okay I'd love to hear it yeah so I
02:31:01
Brian Atlasunderstand because like that's what I was going to bring up is that you've said um why is it that I have to wait now and kind of take the bullet but you were out you know being with other men right and it's I get that but that's the
02:31:14
Brian Atlassame reason why I wouldn't be with someone that's not Christian or not born again because we he wouldn't understand it from a spiritual sense of why I'm doing it and even go ahead well the the
02:31:26
Brian Atlasreligious justifications make a little more sense in my mind but from my point of view I would still have the same exact feelings but you'll have secular women who are atheists or not religious
02:31:37
Brian Atlasat all who will say well in my past 10 20 30 sexual encounters I slept with them instantly or within the first date yeah but then even secular women will
02:31:48
Brian Atlasmake this realiz ation arbitrarily totally arbit there's no well there's no ground my secondary objection here also is that you immediately internalized
02:31:59
Brian Atlasthis and made it about yourself so specifically I'm saying talk from hang on from the perspective of Brian from the perspective of men who share that view without internalizing it right do
02:32:11
Brian Atlasyou agree with me that you can understand why it is that they would be like look yeah I'm I'm Number two I'm second class I'm obviously worse than
02:32:23
Brian Atlaswhoever this previous person was and isn't that a reasoned position yeah and I'll give you yeah I I do and I think that that's why two people should not be unequally yolked and being together
02:32:34
Brian Atlasbecause there's two different frames I would I would say that your argument and your feelings are valid and I can't argue against that because it makes sense but if for
02:32:45
Brian Atlasexample I I dated someone that wasn't Christian um he said he was Christian but not really and he even told me when I told him I didn't want to have have intercourse with him whatever he said you know I don't really get it but I
02:32:57
Brian Atlasrespect you and like oh yeah you know but he wasn't look at it from from the same spiritual sense So eventually he got into lust and got frustrated right
02:33:09
Brian Atlasand so that's my whole point it's like you could what you're saying makes sense like I I understand that completely but that's why you can't be unequally yolked
02:33:19
Brian Atlasbecause you you guys don't have the same found a girl could be equally yolked oh you're talking about this okay let's bre out the secular you mean you mean like in an from an interest like she's interested no no no sorry so from the
02:33:30
Brian AtlasBible unequally yolked meaning does that mean no so I'm not going to date someone that's not Christian oh okay that's what that means yeah it's we we're carrying different burdens we're carrying
02:33:41
Brian Atlasdifferent things on our hearts okay uh convictions right I yeah yeah so I mean I object to it less from like if the justification for I was
02:33:53
Brian Atlaspreviously casually sleeping with a bunch of dudes but now I'm Christian the justification there seems more Justified but there are plenty of secular atheist women who have that experience of I'm
02:34:05
Brian Atlasjust going to sleep with a bunch of dudes now you've come along I'm going to make you wait 3 months well you know what that's that's Weir can I just finish real quick okay so before I gave
02:34:17
Brian Atlasmy life to Christ I was an atheist and I went 2 years after my host face I didn't want anybody touching me because I internally knew that was not okay I had no reference to Jesus no reference to
02:34:28
Brian Atlasthe Bible but I started to slowly I I had this disgust I started to get God started speaking to me now looking back I know it was him but I think secular women we're all God's word is God's word
02:34:40
Brian Atlasit's written in our hearts like we know what's between right and wrong we know that sleeping around with so many people is not good for pair bonding let's just bring that in right it's just it's not good for us and so even though people
02:34:51
Brian Atlasdon't know it's because of Jesus because of God it's it's happening because we're Spiritual Beings that we we can you help me out with um with one part of this yes
02:35:02
Brian Atlasso when you say post what you call did you call it ho phase a ho face h o e okay okay gotcha so post ho I just want to make sure that I'm not strawmanning you or insulting you I'm not trying to I'm just repeating your words back to
02:35:15
Brian Atlasyou so post ho phase and I used that term before when you were not a Christian and you were a secularist still an atheist by your own description how could you make a single
02:35:26
Brian Atlasjustification to Brian as to why you would not sleep with him if you were dating him go ahead and try I'd actually like to hear it so if I wasn't um well I don't know I
02:35:38
Brian Atlaswasn't dating in those two years I wasn't yeah I know but if you if you were and you just said I want to be celibate because I don't know what reason but you just said that what would your act ual justification to a man be
02:35:51
Brian Atlaswho said look you want to sell of it with the last guy it seems like you just maybe don't like me very much because if you did I would think you would be physically intimate with me what would the actual justification for that be
02:36:03
Brian Atlascould I add to that um no you can let her answer though and then you can add to it um I mean just a simple it's it's my body you're not my I don't know like it's I I guess I don't
02:36:15
Brian Atlashave any argument spiritually to back it up but I mean I so we're not arguing that you don't have the right whether you're religious or secular if you're a woman and you've slept with 100 men and
02:36:27
Brian Atlasyou slept with all of them within the first 30 minutes but then you land on guy number 101 and you want to wait a year not you're not even for religious reasons you're just still an atheist still secular but you're going to you
02:36:38
Brian Atlaswant to make him wait a year until having a secular marriage to sleep with him you can do that that's totally your call but but as a guy I can look at that
02:36:49
Brian Atlasand be like that's a terrible deal for me I'm not going to and remember you brought this back to you again right well but it's my body I don't have to okay so just thinking stly from the Hang
02:37:01
Brian Atlastold and you put me in my perspective how do you want not me what I said was think of it through the man's perspective how would if you were thinking of hang on let me finish sorry Andrew love you if you were
02:37:13
Brian Atlasthinking of it through just the man's perspective and you were creating a justification to show the man why he was is incorrect why he shouldn't want to desire that why he should be celibate right along with you and that that
02:37:25
Brian Atlaswasn't actually disrespectful and that that wasn't actually because you preferred other guys over him how would you craft such a justification or an argument without using the prism of my
02:37:35
Brian Atlasbody my choice which was already granted that's already granted they already know that you don't have to have sex with them the perspective here is the prism of why is it you won't have sex with me
02:37:48
Brian Atlasthough if we're dating but you would with other people absent a religious framework how would you even make that argument uh I'm going to call in a friend Alyssa go sorry I've been way no
02:37:59
Brian AtlasI call friend I got to know I I would like to know the actual answer well I'm telling you and you don't I don't know because the only answer I have is well I mean cuz to me it's like it's
02:38:11
Brian Atlaseither black and white it's you're Christian or you're secular you're away from God so it's like if you're not walking with God then the only justif is just your feelings and your emotions and that's all forever fleeing so there's no
02:38:23
Brian Atlasreal stable argument to it I think even away from okay let's get away from the Bible secular right coming back to your argument of your justification of okay I feel I feel horrible like she doesn't want to sleep with me I think that's
02:38:35
Brian Atlaswhere communication comes in hey this is why and not only that there honestly if I were a guy kind of be like okay asking that that clarification but obviously there was something that happened
02:38:46
Brian Atlasbetween from 100 to 101 there wasn't fulfillment in those first 100 probably realistically if she's saying the same thing and she's jumping from guy to guy to guy to guy maybe there's a a cycle of something that she wasn't being
02:38:59
Brian Atlasfulfilled so she's like okay I don't need to feel fulfilled in sex anymore I want to see if they could provide for me spiritually or mentally or anything besides physically cuz anyone could go in and have sex with when I when I make
02:39:11
Brian Atlasan argument to you yeah no and I'm not saying there I take my time hang on I take my time to understand your worldview so what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to take my shoes off and put
02:39:22
Brian Atlasyours on so now I'm you and think like you because I think like you this is what I think right yeah that's the the good position to make an argument to a
02:39:34
Brian Atlasperson it's called an internal critique you're adopting their skin for a moment you're uh analyzing what it is that they think and why they think it this again
02:39:44
Brian Atlasyou internalized right so instead of doing that think of it only from the perspective of Brian you're trying to step into his shoes and you're utilizing what Brian thinks in order to
02:39:56
Brian Atlasdemonstrate to Brian why it would be perfectly acceptable for you to put him as number two forget personal trauma this and that blah blah blah blah blah why from Brian's perspective would he be
02:40:07
Brian Atlasincorrect In feeling that way I mean he's not incorrect In feeling that it's it comes down to his choice too if that's not something he wants so it is logical for him to feel that way yeah it is 100% it's rational for him to feel
02:40:19
Brian Atlasfeel that way yeah it's total sense for him to feel that way yes exactly I mean people are going to be attracted to each other of course like even in me with the situations I was involved of course yeah I wanted to have sex with them and everything and then the guy was like
02:40:32
Brian Atlaswell I want to have sex with you so on and so forth and I understand exactly where you're coming from of course the man is going to we're we're humans we have that desire to be intimate with someone and yeah it it it sucks to be
02:40:44
Brian Atlasmaybe that person who's at 101 and then at that point that's where a choice is made like are you so how do you tell a non-Christian in this case Brian mhm from his perspective that he shouldn't
02:40:56
Brian Atlashave those expectations if he's dating a woman who was sleeping with her previous boyfriends how could you ever justify to them why they shouldn't have that
02:41:06
Brian Atlasexpectation that's what I'm really getting at MH I mean you can't really can't you can't really force them to have like understanding and that's why
02:41:17
Brian Atlasyou should never correct men in public do that some of us can do that and some of you can't do that this my whole point right it's like
02:41:29
Brian Atlasyou can't actually give a single justification from his worldview for why it is he shouldn't feel that way so basically do you realize what you're doing is you're actually signaling to Brian that it's actually okay for him to
02:41:41
Brian Atlashave those expectations because as long as he doesn't share your Christian worldview right why not and you can't even tell him a sing reason from his own worldview why shouldn't I can't expect
02:41:52
Brian Atlashim to not be all up in his feelings and think selfishly like well why doesn't she want to have sex with me oh but from his perspective he thinks you're selfish he thinks you you 50 other
02:42:05
Brian Atlasguys and just not him that seems like it's more selfish you don't think that like you don't think myself I won't speak for other girls but like we don't have desires like we don't have so we're
02:42:16
Brian Atlasalso sacrificing but it comes to sacrificing and and and dying and dying to our flesh dying to ourselves because we're worshiping Our God but you're
02:42:24
Brian Atlasinternalizing again I feel I feel me me me I even think but I have but I have to because that's the point that I'm in my
02:42:35
Brian AtlasI do to make my you I think too in relationships if you're pondering on your old relationship back up you you I'm I'm I'm trying to help you here you actually don't you can justce suppose
02:42:47
Brian Atlasyourself onto another human being so that you can understand their own rationale but when you do do that in this case you find yourself having zero
02:42:57
Brian Atlasjustification for why it is that Brian shouldn't feel that exact way that he's being rational hang on he's being emotionally rational he's being logical
02:43:07
Brian Atlasthere you have nothing that you can say to external of your own experience and that is what drives the guys who think like Brian crazy because they don't understand why you can't tell them
02:43:20
Brian Atlasthat it's incorrect for them to even think this way because it's rational and it's reasonable and it makes complete sense from your own perspective well I'm not saying it's not rational I'm saying
02:43:31
Brian Atlashe has he can feel what he's feeling and I understand why he's feeling that because we don't have the same framework so how am I going to justify okay let's go back to me being SEC secular and
02:43:42
Brian Atlasatheist whatever and you're telling me to go give an argument I don't have that argument because even when I and I'm I'm trying not to internalize myself I'm just putting myself back in that spot
02:43:53
Brian Atlaswhen I was living that life it's like I can't I don't know there's just there is no argument but I'm not I'm not even trying to argue that like he is you're Justified to feel that way and
02:44:05
Brian Atlasthe girl is also Justified to say I don't want to do this even though I don't know why and that's it it doesn't mean it's and let me ask you a question if you were in a host of
02:44:17
Brian Atlasa thousand people and you asked this question and you said there is no justification he's absolutely correct in feeling that way and so is she and it's totally rational it's correct hell hang
02:44:27
Brian Atlason who the hell have you convinced who the hell have you convinced of your worldview if you say he's totally rational and reasonable in this
02:44:37
Brian Atlasworldview and so am I that you've convinced nobody okay because how again how can I convince a sinner to not
02:44:47
Brian Atlassin and I'm not saying that like and I'm just saying I'm sorry don't you have a Ministry correct but okay so you want me to bring in Jesus I can bring in Jesus
02:44:57
Brian Atlasbut I'm thinking we're talking about when I'm an atheist or a secular like either way let's okay let's bring it back if I was atheist secular okay it's hard for me to think that cuz I'm thinking
02:45:10
Brian Atlasnaturally now well it's black and white I'm a Christian and I see that we shouldn't be having I chose not to have
02:45:17
Brian Atlassex because of X Y Z but then Brian who is has no desire to follow God or the Bible or anything like that he's like well that's not fair it's like well yeah
02:45:29
Brian AtlasI get that because you're not seeing it from a Biblical standpoint or from a spiritual standpoint because Brian I was there too like I get that and so so so then how in the world so what you're
02:45:41
Brian Atlasactually saying to me I just want I want you to understand this you're saying to me mhm absent you adopting my worldview I cannot convince you of
02:45:52
Brian Atlasanything what can you repeat that one more time you're saying absent Brian adopting your worldview as being true you can't actually convince Brian of anything in fact you agree with
02:46:04
Brian Atlashim that comment you can't convince anyone the Holy Spirit does I like that yeah it's true like I why how can I convince Brian okay well can the Holy
02:46:14
Brian AtlasSpirit go ahead and convince Brian right now then through you yeah I could share the gospel with well then go ahead and convince Brian through the Holy Spirit go
02:46:27
Brian Atlasahead Brian are you fulfilled right now with your life with having sex with multiple women and when did I say I was doing that I'm I'm asking you this whole time okay are you having
02:46:39
Brian Atlassex right now no in this time I'm not going to answer I'm not going to answer that question but um because here's the thing with the holy spirit it's I just have to ask questions and the Holy Spirit does
02:46:50
Brian AtlasI'm a one girl kind of guy you know a we love that but even then she's not she's a b stand okay but she's not your wife is she huh she's not your wife is she so you can't say for certain that
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Brian Atlasthat girl that you're having guy I didn't say I had a wife what the okay but that's my point so you can't that girl that you're are you with the girl right now I can't I know yes no yes I'm not I can't disclose I can't
02:47:16
Brian Atlasdisclose I can't disclose that's actually Fair he's too popular yeah it's dangerous dangerous safety concerns I'm a virgin do you do you plan on getting
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Brian Atlasmarried huh sorry that do you plan on getting married one day nope okay well then it doesn't matter like that's what I'm saying like my why am I going to try to convince right but we're we're
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Brian Atlastalking about like this whole Trope of uh women who previously were kind of uh loose sexually what do you what do you wait what do you mean how am I going to convince remember you were going to convince him through the Holy Spirit
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Brian Atlasright isn't that what you just said you were going to convince him through the Holy Spirit I'm waiting for the convincing through the Holy Spirit whenever you're ready I don't even think it's us convincing people it's their own
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Brian Atlasconviction like it's their own conv they are convinced by the belief in your worldview it doesn't have to be my worldview cuz some people I've talked to they don't have that conviction of like oh I don't I don't feel the need to wait
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Brian Atlasuntil marriage to have sex and that's their conviction I'm not going to sit there and try to convince them I could give them my point of view and then that's it but I'm not going to sit there and try to so you're not convincing can you convince Brian through the Holy
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Brian AtlasSpirit real quick or no that's not my job to do that isn't the whole point of faith for to come to the Revelation on your own not to have other people well okay let's get back let's get back well hang on hang on this is actually
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Brian Atlasimportant so the reason I bring this up is uh do I agree with you that all glory should always go to God yes do I agree with you that the Holy Spirit can move
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Brian Atlasthrough people mhm yes but the thing is is that am I convinced that it's moving through you a female minister no am I convinced by your arguments at all no
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Brian Atlascould you even make a compelling argument from the opposition's worldview no I'm I'm left logically with only two
02:49:08
Brian Atlasassumptions here either one the Holy Spirit just really hates Brian or B perhaps your assumption that the holy spirit moves through you in order to convince people and does it adequately
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Brian Atlasis incorrect well see here's the thing my words don't need to convince anybody it's my actions for example shout out to Cynthia she was supposed to be here she is now recommitted to marriage and she's
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Madisonyour words don't convince anybody huh it's my action she's seen my life before how I was and now how I am and so that in itself is what's maybe I'm not called to com to to be a witness like that when
02:49:44
Brian Atlasit comes to this situation for him and that's why well that's a wait that's super weird couldn't somebody else who was a secularist who was not religious in any way shape or form do all of the
02:49:55
Brian Atlasexact actions that you have done and not believe in God in Jesus Christ at all yes so like a okay well then I don't understand how that's an
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Brian Atlasexample that you can give to say that the you'll know you'll only know through my actions saying that what I'm saying is that you're saying that the Holy
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Brian AtlasSpirit isn't working through me what I'm saying is I beg to differ because I'm not I'm not no no no I'm not making the claim that the Holy Spirit isn't working through you I'm just asking you that if
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Brian Atlasyou if you are to say I cannot convince anybody it's the Holy Spirit who convinces people and I'm drawing on that power right but we also great now's your great now's your great chance and
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Brian Atlasopportunity draw swine we don't throw pearls to swine when someone's not open what does that me wait wait wait what do you think that that means me does it do you think that that means that if somebody is open and is willing to
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Brian Atlaslisten to your actual arguments and you're right in front of them and they're willing to be convinced that that's casting pearls to swine is that what you think that means no but he's also just very cut off and not want even
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Brian Atlascaring to to to answer my questions so oh well I guess the spirit is power can't break down this minute barrier no