Charlie Kirk Debate: Charlie Compared To ADOLF H?! ALL Girls RAGE QUIT?! (FERAL) | Dating Talk #260

Date: 2025-09-15

Duration: 7h 37m

Guests

Brian Atlas

PPamela (Violatrix)>

SShantel (WNBA)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Pamela (Violatrix)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Olive(guest)

SPEAKER_04Javon(guest)

SPEAKER_05Ally (Snow)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Shantel (WNBA)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Harper(guest)

SPEAKER_11Lola (DT44)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Kiana(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian opens with Charlie Kirk tribute

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves. Shantel: 6'6", WNBA 2003-2009, abstinent 12 years.

Key MomentPamela reveals mafia-connected father deported her daughter's biological father

ControversyLola invokes Hitler comparison to ask about threshold of justified rejoicing at Kirk's death

Key Moment'What is a woman?' debate. Shantel provides WNBA perspective on trans athletes.

ControversyShantel says Kirk's DEI 'brain capacity' comments were racist

Key MomentBrian admits he is agnostic despite ~80% Christian audience — refuses to grift religious identity

ControversyBeauty standards debate. Brian reveals he only dates Black women.

OtherShantel rage-quits after viciously targeted viewer roast message

Topics Discussed

Charlie Kirk Tribute

Brian opens with Kirk tribute.

Guest Introductions

All 8 guests introduced. Shantel reveals 6'6", WNBA career.

Charlie Kirk Reactions

Lola invokes Hitler comparison. Shantel says Kirk DEI comments were racist.

What Is a Woman / Trans Sports

Lola: anyone who identifies. Others: adult human female. Trans sports debate with WNBA perspective.

Brian Rant About No-Show Guest

Angry rant about guest who cancelled citing safety concerns.

Colorism and Beauty Standards

Heated debate. Brian reveals he only dates Black women.

AI Photos and Roast Session

AI aging/gender swap. Shantel rage-quits after viewer roast. Pamela leaves for mammogram.

Transcript

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Brian Atlas>> 48. >> Yes. >> 58. >> Yes. >> 68. >> Yes. >> 78. >> Yes. Uh, wait. Just try to Hold on. Scoot the

Brian Atlasmic a little closer. Uh, 108. Better looking at 108. >> Probably not. Probably. >> When's your peak?

Brian Atlas>> I don't know cuz I'm not in the future. >> Okay. Uh, well, >> we we have put all of you through >> We've put all of you through AI. >> Brian, you 10 years from now, 20 years from now, 30 years.

SPEAKER_09>> Worst looking in 10 years. I was better looking. I was better looking when I was younger, too. Um, >> did we do >> Sorry. You've done what? >> Push through an age filter. He's going to show our age filter. >> Oh, yeah.

Harper>> All right. Go ahead, Nick. >> Oh, great. >> I've seen his, too. I've seen that. Yeah. It's bad. >> Oh, I'm excited. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> That is not accurate. >> That is not accurate.

Lola (DT44)>> That is not [ __ ] old lady. Hold on. >> Yeah, you are. >> Hold on. Oh, >> like why did your nose grow? That doesn't make any sense. >> The Sims are about a double in the chat. >> No, wait. This is pretty good, guys. I'm

SPEAKER_12pretty satisfied. I'm pretty satisfied with this. Okay. How How old is it supposed to be picture by picture? >> Not sure. Next.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Brutal. >> So rude. >> It's so rude. Ryan, can >> can you scoot into the table, please? It's >> so rude.

SPEAKER_12Next. >> Oh, I'm adorable. >> You are that cute. >> Yes. >> Yo, y'all wild.

Kiana>> All right. >> Super cute. >> Oh my god. This is like the be most beautiful senior club ever. >> This is so cute. >> Absolutely stunning. >> I like this segment. Stop. No.

SPEAKER_12>> No. That's stunning. >> Stop. Put it away. >> Stop. >> Oh my gosh. This is next. >> Oh my god. [Applause]

SPEAKER_12>> Olivia, I don't get the point of this one. This is just sweet. >> It is. >> Wow. Got me [ __ ] >> Olivia, you look gorgeous. >> Next. >> This is Sisterhood of the Traveling

Pamela (Violatrix)Grandma Pants. >> Oh my god, you look so cute. Such a cute little smile. >> Y'all are lying. >> Y'all lying for real. >> Your your smile, your teeth is the most

Pamela (Violatrix)outstanding I've ever seen. No. And and then that that sculpted nose. >> I want it. >> Next. >> You're cute, too. You're hardly even

Harperdifferent. No, serious. Like, that's crazy. >> Lucky you. >> Oh, god. I don't like Did you do yours? Well, >> Yep. Next.

SPEAKER_12[Laughter] >> You look happier and happier in each one. Right. >> We're going to be adorable old women around bingo tables. This is awesome. >> We like we like >> you look like uh the oracle from the Matrix.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Thank you. Take it. You can never go wrong with an oracle. >> I appreciate it. >> All right. Next. >> Brian's next. Oh,

SPEAKER_07>> so cute. >> Next. >> Next. >> Do we have it? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, sure. Why not? >> All right. You got it? >> Y. >> All right. >> Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_12>> Actually awesome. >> This is so awesome. >> So cute. >> Took some milk. >> I like that it didn't gray your hair. >> Girl is safe from graying. >> Um, next.

Pamela (Violatrix)You're gonna be a cute old man. Come on, >> Brian. That's adorable. >> I want to hear the monologue from Jaws with a bottle of whiskey. >> Did we put Nick through there? >> I am Santa Claus. >> Santa Claus.

SPEAKER_12>> I'm Santa Claus. Uh, let's see here. Uh, oh, we also changed all of you to men. >> Oh my god, this >> I like that the lights being drained from his eyes. Is this not fun for you

Brian Atlasanymore? >> No. Usually this is kind of fun, but >> because we're not arguing. No, no. I'm >> We dream. >> I actually I need a breather from the [ __ ] arguing from before. >> Little break of wholesome family podcast

Brian Atlastime. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. Exactly. Um all right. Uh let's see here. Uh oh, we have it. We got it. Okay.

SPEAKER_12>> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, holy [ __ ] >> Holy [ __ ] >> Put me in eight mile right now. Oh my. You look like you look like a boxer.

Brian Atlas>> Like Zane. >> Oh my god. I do look like a boxer. >> So the question is, would you date the male version of you? >> I'm sorry, Aiden, but yes, >> I want to date the male version of you >> if you were single. Yeah, if you were single. All right.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Next. >> Yes. >> Why? >> What? I did mean things to you. >> Listen, I was supposed to be born a man. There is no question.

Pamela (Violatrix)Zero question. Would I date him? No. Would I [ __ ] him? Yes. >> We'll just skip. >> All right. Okay. Uh, next.

SPEAKER_12>> Oh, wait. You look good. >> He He looks a little too much like my cousins. >> You and me are going out to pick up chicks. >> Guy, Daisy, can you imagine?

SPEAKER_12>> He looks too much like my cousins. I can't do it. Sorry. >> Yeah. >> So, no. No. No. Go. >> He's cute though. He's a cutie pie. >> You can date him.

Brian Atlas>> He would remind me of my cousins. >> All right. Okay. Uh, next. >> What the [ __ ]

SPEAKER_12>> Wait, >> they keep taking it away. >> Can I see it again? >> Oh, no. >> It's It's giving It's giving CEO. >> Not date him. >> It did weird things to you. >> It's giving CEO. >> That was giving sea level executive. I

SPEAKER_12don't know >> next. >> Oh,

Olive>> go me personally. >> I want his number. >> I would not. >> I'm I'm getting that number. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Right. >> Wait. >> You wouldn't date him. >> Oh, no. It's not my type. >> Did you? >> He's You >> put on an accent there.

Brian Atlas>> What? >> You put on like an accent or something. You're like Canadian. Oh, no. He's on my >> She said an accent the whole time. What? All right. Uh, hold on. >> Olivia, you're so hot.

SPEAKER_07>> Yeah, I'll pass. >> Second daughter, you guys. >> It makes everyone's eyes so small. >> You're so cute. >> No, it's absolutely not. You wouldn't date the male version of you. >> Nah,

Brian Atlas>> he's so cute. >> Wait, I don't get it, though. >> His teeth aren't as good as yours. You wouldn't date uh because of his looks like a normal guy, but I get flack because I wouldn't date like a 99% burns

Shantel (WNBA)on the body. >> No, no, no, no. That that was reinvigorated. >> Fell in love with your wife soulmate. She was your wife. >> She was your wife and she bured your children. >> An affair to remember Carrie Grant and

Brian AtlasDeborah Kerr. >> You need to watch that. >> That was a thing. Was it like >> I don't know. I think it's possible that material conditions could change to such

Brian Atlasa point that you would just no longer >> I don't know. Attraction's important, but I don't know. You You'd have to give me a specific. Anyways, next >> watching a fair to remember. >> Oh. >> Oh, okay.

Brian Atlas>> Would you >> go back? That was quick. >> All right. Just skip this one. She's not on the mic. >> No, thank you. >> Would you date the male version of you? >> He's cute. >> What? What's Is it Is it cuz he's black? It's a little red.

Kiana>> Oh my god. >> You wouldn't date a black guy. Wow. >> That is crazy. >> Oh, he got his energy back. >> All right. That's a tough sitting here. >> I know that there is a really good guy

Kianasomewhere in there. What the [ __ ] I really do. I got black gave me a nice flow for 6 and 12 years. >> I really like you, man.

Kiana>> I just I just feel like being this way has made you coin. So you have to be. But like I really believe you are a good deal. >> Somewhere deep dive into all there.

Brian Atlas>> I got to be careful because like I don't want the smoke from a like from a black woman. W woman women. Sorry. I don't want the cuz like black women they'll roast the [ __ ] out of you. So I got to be careful. I got to be careful with what I

Brian Atlas>> You're cry like right. >> No. Like a black women. A Why do I Oh my god. Woman. W woman. Holy [ __ ] I am cooked.

Brian AtlasA black See, I talk [ __ ] about myself, too. A black woman will verbally dismantle you in a way that on your deathbed >> you'll cry later. >> You'll be like,

Kiana>> "Damn, she [ __ ] got me." >> Literally, >> like I don't know. Black women. >> Yeah. >> As a high school teacher, I had to learn to like the in the most respectful way humble my kids and they'll think about it later. It's like, oh my. But I

Brian Atlassupported them. and they going to know I love them. But you going to get >> anyways. Anyways, uh Oh, we have more, right? We have me as a woman. >> Uhhuh. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. Uh boom.

SPEAKER_12>> Yo, it's actually kind of good this time. >> He's hot. >> Not bad. >> Would you smash slash date? >> My gay friend, but sure. >> So, you would be definitely gay.

Brian Atlas>> You would be a gay man >> if you were a man. >> Kind of looks like my injector. All right, next. >> He's definitely gay. >> She looks so innocent. He has innocent eyes.

SPEAKER_12>> All right, there you go. >> Uh, next. >> There we go. Yes. Thank you. >> She's pretty. >> She's gorge. >> Okay.

Kiana>> You're way prettier as a woman. >> Would you date her? >> Yeah. I would >> is what her name is. >> Scale of 1 to 10, what would you rate her? Is she a virgin or has she been

Olivewith a 100 men? >> What's her body? What is her body count? >> Is she a perfect 10? >> Is she a Christian? >> Perfect 10. >> As a guy, I'm a five. But as a woman, I'm a 10.

Brian Atlas>> See, as long as you believe that. That's all that matters. >> Look, if I if I became a woman, [ __ ] it. I'll just be delusional, too. >> No. >> What? I didn't say anything. >> Okay. Back to Vegas.

Kiana>> No, girl. Let's be delusional together and not a good night. All right. Let's all love each other. >> Snow Bay Alley. Follow me on Instagram. >> Show's not over. >> It's not. >> No, we're still going.

Harper>> Oh, we got to get back to >> So, we need to >> I still got to go. I still have a long drive ahead of me now. >> I have a mimography in the morning >> and I was committed to 11. I was committed.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> All right, just leave. That's fine. That's fine. Just go ahead. Just go ahead. >> I'm glad that was easy. >> Okay. >> Okay. Bye. >> Bye. Hi. Have a good night. >> As a man, >> I don't know what you said. >> You looked hot as a man.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, thank you. >> You're welcome, honey. >> Uh, okay. Let me see if she Did she have any notes, though? Did you have any notes or >> hardly nothing? >> Love it. Love it. >> Okay, let me blast through everything so

Brian AtlasI can get try to get people out of here as soon as possible. Uh oh, there's probably Are there any chats that came through? No, I think we're good on chats. Uh what are we gonna do? Um okay, here's what we're going to do. We have a few

Brian Atlasother things to get through. >> Yeah, we don't need to announce it. Thank you. >> Just >> uh Nick, just uh

Brian Atlas>> you're okay. Uh okay, Kiana, you said we're not going to be able to hit everybody's notes, but I'll like try to do like one or two for

Brian Atlaseach of you. Uh let's see here. Uh, and you know, we had a good back and forth. I I got to be conservative time

Brian Atlashere, but uh, Dalton. Dalton. >> Oh, she's okay. Lola, >> hello. >> Okay. You once dated a man with uh, foot fetish, but did we already talk about

Lola (DT44)this? >> Yeah, I got on that. >> And he w he made you watch the 2-hour documentary. Okay. >> It really haunts me. Sorry. I bring it up all the time. >> Did he make you give him foot massages? Oh, he tried real hard >> with the

Brian Atlas>> Let's just get rid of Sienna. >> No Sienna. That was the no show. Uh Olivia. >> Yeah, >> we already did yours. Giovon, uh plenty of stories. You've been in the Hollywood industry for years. Many things to tell.

Brian AtlasUh it makes you uncomfortable watching some of the episodes because you feel the host is coming in with some sort of prejudice towards women. What's that? Well, I I did tell you earlier I I just feel the I feel like there's like a

Javonspecific angle like you're you're taking these from like um like there's a specific way you come about things and I know that that's your audience and I'm not judging but yeah for sure there's absolutely a specific way you come come out about things against women. Absolutely.

Javon>> Like what? >> Um generally the like your opinions you know how uh >> yeah which ones? >> Let me give me a second. I'm really tired. Hold on. Um well most of the things from today uh

Javon>> yeah which which ones like just one thing >> like the probably everything to do like every opinion you had pretty much about marriage like dating so far I just feel like

Javon>> marriage I didn't really talk much about >> dating but I feel like everything's like come at a very specific angle to the point where like I don't know like it's it's just it like

Javon>> it cherry picks you know what I mean like oh things cherry pick Like the photo from earlier, like the photo of the really pretty white one woman versus

Javonthe black woman. Like I felt like that was very like I don't know. It just it felt rooted in misogyn like misogyny. Like all of it just kind of feels very misogynistically rooted. >> Okay. >> Like that's how it feels.

Brian Atlas>> Sure. Um so just I I think it's important when we're using certain words that we share like an understanding of what that word means. So you what is misogyny? How do you define misogyny?

Brian Atlas>> Um, oppress oppressing women and uplifting men. >> Oppressing women, uplifting men is misogyny >> in my opinion. Yes. >> Okay. So, that photo, what about that

Brian Atlasphoto would be I I disagree with your definition, but that's kind of uh secondary. What would be oppressive about that photo?

Brian Atlas>> Would you have done it to a man? >> Sure. I've shown pictures of Brad Pitt, compared him to I I showed we h we have men in that or pictures of men in that

Brian Atlassame Discord channel. Tom Welling, we've we'll compare them to uh Jonah Hill or you know, whatever it is. I can think uh we we've done it to Luis Guzman. So

Javonyeah, >> then I >> So So am I also a misand? >> I mean, I could be wrong, but that's just personally how I feel. That's just kind of my angle, the way I look at things. >> Well, I think we need to define another

Javonterm then. Oppression. What is oppression? >> Oppression like >> Yeah. What is How do you define oppression? >> Um

Javonputting someone down like putting viewing things as below you and you know not allowing >> putting somebody down. >> Yeah. Putting somebody down as below. >> So if I called somebody stupid, is that

Javonputting them down? So, yes. >> Would that be oppression? Just calling somebody stupid? >> Well, no. Okay. A better way to look at things as like stopping them from

SPEAKER_14expressing their opinion or like like >> GI, I don't think I don't think you want to be here to be debating this. >> Yeah. Not really. But I mean, >> I wrote it in the note, but I'm being polite engaging in this. Go ahead.

Javon>> Yeah. And I I agree with you, but I'm saying like um just it's not even like it doesn't even have to go past like just the fact the way the way that you like like the angles that they're filmed at like the like the conversations like the debates themselves.

Javon>> The angle. Wait, sorry. The angles. What was that first? >> The angles like of the conversations that you are constantly bringing up, the topics, like all of it feels very like to me like that's just how it feels. It's just to me personally.

Javon>> It feels like oppression and misogyny. >> Not necessarily oppression, but I'd say more like it just feels like Can I get Can I get a definition on oppression, though?

Brian Atlas>> Give me a second. I'm really tired. >> As her mother, may I take a pass for her? >> May I take a pass? >> Your daughter's a superstar boxer. She can This is like milktoast push back.

Pamela (Violatrix)I'm >> It's not for her. >> How How is it? What? How is it not? Well, I think when you sent out the questionnaire about we we felt that we

Lola (DT44)had to say something, so she is trying to back up that stance. >> Yeah, that's what she believes though. So, >> I also would like to say I I do understand where you're coming from with this. Like it is an open dialogue and you you are being like understanding and

Lola (DT44)trying to get there. Um, but I do think that it's like very understandable for it to be difficult to be put on the spot, especially when like you're in a circumstance where like obviously a big point of this podcast is we're we're all picking apart each other's wordings.

Brian AtlasWe're all calling each other out on stuff and there's a lot of pressure on that circumstance. I think if she wants to pass, just pass. >> I'm also >> Well, I mean, if you want to pass, like, you know, do you like pineapple on your

Brian Atlaspizza? Okay, well, whatever. But when you've accu if you've accused somebody of misogyny, essentially sexism, of being oppressive, I think it's fair to at least get receive an explanation

Lola (DT44)for these assertions. >> Sure. Yeah, absolutely. But I also do think that she has come to a middle ground specifically on the what she brought up about the pictures when you said that we do have pictures of men in there. She she said like I didn't know

Brian Atlasthat. I understand that as far as I'm aware of that was your take. I don't want to speak on your behalf. >> You are absolutely correct. >> Yeah. So I I do think that it could have just been rooted in a misunderstanding. >> Well, I mean this was provided even

Brian Atlasbefore we got to that segment. If you've seen the show before, you would know that we will challenge, you know, I'm open to hearing criticisms of myself, of my show, but they won't go

Brian Atlaswithout challenge. >> Yeah. So, especially if these criticisms relate to uh >> misogyny, >> accusations of sexism or misogyny or whatever.

Javon>> So, >> do you want to, I guess, back up your claim with anything palpable? just um challenging women and a lot of like uh it might be clickbait. It might be

Javonclickbait um because I didn't like I went through just like a lot of people here I'm sure I went through your Instagram and I went through viral clips on Tik Tok and a lot of like the questions that it seems like you ask

Javonwomen are challenging but like they're specifically targeted to like a like they're targeted to a specific demographic of audience. Like you ask them like you ask women what we think about like money and like um the beauty

Javonstandards and like you know how we feel about you know men being breadwinners and if we're traditional like that feels very like um >> baited very bait very baited I don't

Brian Atlasbelieve >> how would it be baiting to ask a woman wouldn't it actually be sort of an evidence to the contrary that my willingness to actually

Brian Atlas>> basically give an open mic to a woman and say, "Tell me what you think about all these things." Wouldn't that actually indicate that something to the contrary? >> That that's not a privilege. That's that's just equality. Like we're having

Brian Atlasa conversation. >> So if I ask men like if if a somebody's asking men these questions, it would be evidence of like

Brian Atlasanti-male sexism. >> Okay. So as as her mom, allow me to step in. >> Hold on. your your daughter, she's 20 years old, she's an adult. Uh I I get the the want and desire to generally

Pamela (Violatrix)protect your >> It's not that is that I forced her to answer that questionnaire and she wasn't exactly on the same wavelength. >> Well, I mean, she's a she has agency. She has autonomy. She has her own thoughts.

Brian Atlas>> You're 100% correct. >> She probably believes I mean, I don't think you force her to believe. >> She has very different beliefs than I. >> Well, no, but I believe that she believes that I'm a misogynist. So, I think it's fair to investigate that. >> I do think it's fair to say that her

Javongeneration throws around that term a lot more loosely than >> Hold on. I I would like >> Go ahead. >> I I didn't I don't believe you are a

Javonlike deeprooted misogynist, but I do think that yes, some of your takes are definitely misogynistic. Yes. >> Mhm. >> Yes. >> Uh Okay. Which which takes are

Javonmisogynistic? So, I I did answer this like um a lot of like like the things like genuinely. Can anyone back me up on the

Javonfact that like today a lot of the questions seemed like they were kind of >> kind of wait what that they were what >> a lot of the questions today felt like they were kind of aimed like to like

Kianaaimed to a certain demographic to look at women who view women. >> Are you able to run it down? >> Okay, >> I won't say that. But what I will say is that even in clips I've watched before and even the way he's questioning you

Kianaright now, I think the ultimate goal is to kind of make you stumble upon what you're saying. Even though you know what you meant and you know how you feel, but it's to kind of make you stumble upon it because we've been sitting here for 6

Kianahours. Who's going to remember every point you say, but we've listened to you collectively for six hours in making points that affirm what she's saying. So, I think the goal is not really to

Kianaget specific points or hear her out. I think it's just to make her stumble over her words and then you're going to clip it, make a real later and be like, "Haha, I she couldn't even I slammed her, checked her out." Like, we've seen the reals.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. So, I think it's perfectly acceptable if somebody has accused you of something. >> It's not like some sort of clickbait thing to ask them to provide evidence for their claim. Like for example, I

Brian Atlasagree with you. >> Like if I called you if I called you a racist and you were like, well, how am I a racist? And I'd be like, I just I don't know, just the vibes. You'd be like, no, that's not acceptable. >> I think there's a big difference between

Pamela (Violatrix)calling you a misogynist and actually she answered the questions on is there anything you disagree with? So I made her answer the questions. Was there anything you disagree with? Saying that there was misogyny and calling you a misogynist. I think those are two

Brian Atlasdifferent things. >> Yeah. So I'm not at like to her point I'm not looking for like tell me verbatim word for word precisely you can't get one word wrong give me the essence of what I've said that is

Brian Atlasmisogynistic >> it was in previous clips no >> yes >> sure you can cite you're welcome to say Brian in this clip over here you said this >> and it doesn't have to be verbatim it can be in essence it can be >> it's not going to be in verbatim because

Brian Atlasto be fair I mean I've been sitting here for >> I'm not asking I'm not asking for verbatim Yes. >> I'm simply asking >> the essence of what I said.

Javon>> The essence of what? So your like i.e. um your opinions on your opinions on certain things uh like regarding I'm trying to think back to

Javonyou know I want to think back to today. I want to I want to think about the topics we said today but my mind is totally going blank. Um let me think. Can you remind me of some

Brian Atlasof the topics we talked about today? I mean, it's your claim. It's not my job to make your argument for you. >> You think I should cut it off? >> Sisterhood here. This is what fe This is

Kianafeminism. >> It's not feminism, but I'm going to support her because we can all clearly see what your ultimate goal is. So, it's not that you It's not It's okay for you to want somebody to explain why they

Brian Atlasmade a claim about you. >> You're pro-life, right? >> Yes. Okay. So, um would you do the sort same

Brian Atlassort of uh you know giving like an little alleyoop an an alleyoop or not alioop that's not the right word. Would

Brian Atlasyou do this same sort of handholding with somebody who's uh pro-choice? >> I'm not here to be the judge of their choices. That's my own. >> But she's a grown woman.

Brian Atlas>> Absolutely. >> I'm not like 20 years old. If I wanted to put the pressure on, I have the kid gloves on. >> That's between years old and barely an adult. >> I have the kid gloves on. I have the kid

Brian Atlasgloves on right now. I'm I'm exerting minimal rhetorical pressure on her. >> Yes. >> I'm not Trust me, if I wanted to step up

Brian Atlasthe temperature, I could. I'm simply just asking if you if you make a claim, the burden is on you to prove the claim, provide evidence for the claim. I'm asking >> just asking you to go over the topics we

Ally (Snow)talked about tonight. >> What's the definition of misogyny? >> Why can't you just go because I don't remember the entire >> I sure don't. >> How long has it been? 6 hours. What's >> the definition of misogyny? Could somebody tell me? >> Well, her definition is

Shantel (WNBA)>> No, no, not her definition. The definition I don't think >> hatred or pre my definition would be like hatred or prejudice towards women because they're women. >> Okay, great. So when you went off on

Brian Atlasthat girl for like 30 minutes because >> that wouldn't be evidence of misogyny. >> Because because she cancelled because because she canled. That's the key word. Not because she's a woman. If it was

SPEAKER_07some dude who did the exact same thing. I Yes. It would be What's that? >> You probably be harsher. >> Are you I'm I'm sorry. Are you Were you going to let me finish or No. >> Well, hold on. Well, I'm going to Cuz I

Shantel (WNBA)know where your argument is leading to. because the things that you said was specifically personal to her beyond just her character and cancelling, but you

Shantel (WNBA)went in on her personal character which came across as extremely hateful. >> What? What specifically? >> Uh I can't say honestly I can't say that.

Brian Atlas>> The words Oh, okay. So So can women be scumbags? >> No, no, no, no, >> no. Answer my question before you answer my question first.

Shantel (WNBA)>> Again, you said it means hateful. Your your whole rant was hateful and personal towards her. >> But here here's the defeater. Men can also be scumbags, >> right? I I agree. >> Holy [ __ ] So, I'm not sexist then. Great.

Brian Atlas>> Nobody said you were sexist. >> You were saying it was evidence of >> Nobody said you were sexist. >> Okay. Misogyny and sexism are like this. But okay. So, you said it was evidence of misogyny. No, you you hated her and

Brian Atlasyou were very directly personal to her. >> Can you hate a woman and not be sexist? Like do you are there any women you hate? >> No, I don't hate anybody. But >> are there any dislike? >> Yes.

Shantel (WNBA)>> Okay. Does because you dislike a woman, does that mean you're a misogynist? >> No. And I didn't say that. And do not put words in my mouth. I'm just saying that that is an example where you came

Brian Atlasoff as extremely hateful and personal. But that would then be evidence of misogyny. I agree with you that I was using strong words. But just because

Shantel (WNBA)you're >> which preceded a rant about horrible women like her. >> A woman. Okay. So if you >> horrible women like her only fans and

Shantel (WNBA)and all these things and then the divorce rant >> and the divorce rant woman extremely woman. panel is going to bury you. >> You know what? At the end of the day,

Shantel (WNBA)listen, I ain't trying to fight no more. It's late. I don't let the girl get move on from her. >> We got to go to Vegas. We got to get on the road to Vegas. We got to get back home. >> I mean, I look, I would just say this. So, unless there's some clear-cut

Brian Atlasevidence. So, just because >> the retract statement, >> you got to stop interrupting for the sake of ending this show. Sooner when you interrupt, it's disruptive. Then I have to correct you for the

Brian Atlasinterrupting. Now I'm here 10, 15, 20 seconds later having to tell you to stop interrupting for the 20th time. So just because, for example, just because

Brian Atlassomebody says something negative about a woman, that's not evidence that there's it's because of misogyny or because she's a woman. We all acknowledge that there's bad men and bad women and we can

Brian Atlascriticize these bad characteristics and traits and it's it can be absent some sort of sexism. Like for example, are women immune to criticism? Like women,

Brian Atlasif you if you ever levy any sort of criticism towards a woman default, you're a sexist. >> No. >> So, >> okay. So, I was levying criticisms

Brian Atlastowards a woman for her specific behavior. And this behavior I find objectionable not just in women, but also in men. You cannot point to my

Brian Atlasobjection to her behavior as evidence of sexism or misogyny because I object to this behavior also in men. And it had to do with her behavior, not the fact that

Brian Atlasshe's a woman. If I said, for example, she's a piece of [ __ ] because she's a woman. That would clearly be misogynistic and wrong. But that's

Javonclearly not what I did. I said her behavior was bad because this reason. >> I'm going to stand on my opinion about, you know, some of your misogynistic

Brian Atlastakes. I'm just going to stand on that. But I do not want to debate anymore. I am >> Well, can you give me one at least just one thing that I've said >> that's misogynistic? >> I'm going to be so honest with you. I'm clocking out. >> I'm sorry. I would also like to I'm

Lola (DT44)going to add in here again. I mean, I did say this earlier, but I want to reiterate I get where you're coming from. Like it's very understandable to want someone to back a claim that they're making about you. I get that. But I also do think that at the same

Lola (DT44)time we have to understand that misogyny is a a very complex thing. Like I'm not making claims about whether or not you are misogynistic. But also I do not think that you had to have explicitly

Lola (DT44)said something horrible about women to be a misogynist. Right? And I think that it is very understandable for someone who's very tired, someone who, you know, has spent the whole day debating um all these things. also is very young and has her has had her words picked apart

Lola (DT44)throughout this whole podcast. Like, if she can't articulate explicitly what it was that rubbed her the wrong way, I understand how that is frustrating to you. Trust me, I get that, right? But I also think that at a certain point, maybe we just drop it. We agree to

Lola (DT44)disagree. You don't have to take that claim seriously because she didn't back it. You don't have to take that as like a dig at you. No one else has to either. >> She can think what she would like to think. It doesn't have to affect you. >> I mean, beautiful. She's expressed that

Brian Atlasshe no longer wants to uh she doesn't want to engage with it. But I mean to be fair, I've already iterated this. So I guess I'll reiteration.

Brian Atlas>> It is a bit like okay then I look I'll I'll just defer to Hitchens razor then that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. So,

Brian Atlasif you're unwilling to provide the evidence, then you're not making a compelling case to any of the other panelists or to the audience that I'm that I'm a misogynist. And I'm just going to outright reject and dismiss your assertions because you didn't back

Brian Atlasit up with any sort of evidence. Moving on with that moving on with the rest of the notes,

Brian Atlasthough. Uh, okay. Uh, Snow, we did your stuff. uh Violatrix, the Findum stuff. There's definitely

Brian Atlassome stuff in here. Uh you've you've written that I've not been playing fair with these young women who are no match for your mouth, wit, and experience. Oh, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Brian AtlasAppreciate the compliment. Thanks for the endorsement. You said you will go head-to-head with you on a more level playing field. And if you feel that I'm outdated, my 20-year-old daughter will

Pamela (Violatrix)level that out as well. Okay, she didn't. So, I have clearly interrupted far too many times after we

Brian Atlaswere encouraged to jump in. So, I'm out as well. >> We were encouraged to >> Well, you can contribute. I just don't want people interrupting. That That's my

Pamela (Violatrix)>> What was interrupting versus jumping in when we were told to to >> Okay, that's fine. Now I'm speaking directly to you and >> and and and it's it's all every one of my opinions has been expressed. I just

Pamela (Violatrix)thought that based on some of the clips we were asked a questionnaire. Do I feel this about you? I don't really know because I wasn't really familiar with your stuff. What the the general cursory

Pamela (Violatrix)look over your stuff seemed that you had some pretty unlevel unequ in inequality inequity playing field with some of the women that you went headtohead with. I

Pamela (Violatrix)thought that I might be a good match for you. We're trying to sell ourselves in this thing, right? We're trying to get on the podcast to talk to you, to debate with you. So, that's what I said.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Well, I mean, I actually think that um I don't think there's actually anybody here on the panel who's actually like on my side or on my team. So, this

Brian Atlasidea that I'm like unfair, that there's some like unfairness, I'm like 1v8ing right now. So like the collective brain power of all the women at the table. This idea that I'm like looking for an

Pamela (Violatrix)easy dunk, I'm like every single show I do, it's like a 1v8. >> You're you are sitting you have tens of thousands, millions of men watching you, supporting you, and you have a live

Pamela (Violatrix)stream. We're all sitting here asking what's the definition of misogyny? You've got an assistant and Google right there giving you definitions while we have no phones, no nothing. I know the definition off the top of >> inequity. Is that a level playing field?

Pamela (Violatrix)I don't think so, Brian. And and Brian, I'm just talking facts. >> Well, there's certain technical components of running a stream. So, >> uh, it's gaslighting, Brian. Technically, that's gaslighting. >> How How would that be gaslighting? >> Cuz we don't have the tools at our

Pamela (Violatrix)disposal to Google [ __ ] to combat you with facts. >> What do you want to Google? >> Any single thing that you have gas lit us on or anything you >> computers run the show? Yeah, that has

Brian Atlasnothing to do with >> Well, I control the stream from here. And I I didn't aside from the only thing I Googled tonight. Only thing I Googled you Googled a bunch. >> No, the only thing I Googled tonight was the NBA conversation.

Brian Atlas>> Uhuh. >> About Yeah, I googled the the shortest. What is the shortest NBA player? That's the only thing I Googled. >> We also Googled the DEI. >> It's just irrelevant. M I Nick was looking it up but I wasn't looking at it

Pamela (Violatrix)at all. >> Find it. We couldn't we didn't pull it up some of the college statistics cuz I remember saying this is college not. >> Okay. We pulled up the boy versus >> You're not You're not going to

Brian Atlas>> We pulled up the boy versus women thing. >> But it's like it's relevant to the conversation. >> I mean that's a singular resource. Okay.

Pamela (Violatrix)So there was the the shortest NBA player and then that boy versus women thing. really enjoyed being here. According to my daughter's boyfriend, I'm the sing singularly most roasted person on this

Pamela (Violatrix)panel tonight. I've enjoyed it. I respect your opinions. I respect that you've grown a huge audience and you need to be congratulated for that and it's been an enjoyable experience. I've loved meeting everyone here.

Brian Atlas>> Well, just stick around for the end of the show. But, uh, let's see here. So, okay. You don't want to engage on that thing. I >> I did. I engaged. I answered. >> Oh, okay. I mean, all right. Sure.

Brian AtlasThat's fine. Uh let's see here. Um we're going to do a couple things from the questionnaire then obviously time permitting. Uh let why

Brian Atlasdon't we do the the bear thing I guess. Yeah, we'll do the bear thing. Does your daughter want to rejoin the panel for this or >> Nick? Do you see you?

Brian Atlas>> All right. Starting over here with you. Uh, would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on the hike? >> Going this way. >> A random man. >> Man. >> A man. Definitely.

Brian Atlas>> A man. >> Why is this a question? >> This is going somewhere. >> Can Can you try to speak into the microphone, please? >> I don't like to hike. So,

Brian Atlas>> if you had to pick one, would you rather come ac come across a random man or a random bear on a hike? I guess a man. >> Okay. What do you pick? >> A man.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, hold on. These are different from your guys' stated Oh, no. You did pick man. My mistake. Uh, >> you didn't see that coming from me. >> Bear. >> Bear. >> Okay. Why do you pick bear?

Brian AtlasYou're going to need to work on your endurance if you're going to become a superstar boxer. This is This is This is nothing. This is nothing. You're going to go through way tougher fights in the ring, let me tell you. I understand. I'm I'm just very tired.

Brian Atlas>> I know, but you're going to be very tired. That same thing when you're [ __ ] trying to lose weight before that fight and you're you're you're you know, you're running, you're doing you're doing steps, whatever it is, you got to have that mental fortitude. You got to stick it through. Right now,

Olive>> it's like really inconsiderate to everyone when you're asked a question. I'm not saying this to be rude, and you're like, I don't know. I'm tired. Cuz then we have to talk about it and it's like, why can't you just answer? And he goes on and you go on and there's just no there's no answer. And it's just

Olivewasting more time like just answering. >> Yeah, Felicity needs to get her in and out. >> I'm terrible that >> and this happens. This happens every single time. And every single time girls are complaining because they're not

Javonanswering in good faith. >> Well, I would say the bear. Well, if we're getting realistic, I've had that experience before while camping with my dad, so I know what to do. And second of

Javonall, um bears are predictable and you know, men aren't. And that's just how I feel. That's it. And it's nothing past that. It's no it's nothing to do with anything, you know, regarding Missandry

Pamela (Violatrix)or anything like that. It's just it's as simple as that. Like it's that's it. That's literally it. >> Okay. Yeah, you could have said that. Um why' you pick? >> Oh, just because uh we had a a summer

Pamela (Violatrix)cabin growing up in New Jersey and we've encountered every situation, so I feel like I'd be more adept, equipped to handle a bear than I would a human being.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, I see. Uh, huh. Interesting. Well, my position is is if you pick bear over man, I think that, you know, you accuse me of misogyny. I

Brian Atlasthink you probably echo your daughter's sentiments. Uh, I do think this is a misand position. So, I would like to return to you if we're as if like a volley. You call me a misogynist, I call you a misandre. Fair,

Brian Atlas>> fair, >> fair proposition. Uh I do think in the same way that for example like I would say it would be racist if somebody picked bear over black person >> where >> like that would be racist.

Brian Atlas>> Where did that where >> oh I just I just Well I think it makes it easier to understand my by using this

Brian Atlassort of comparison it can make it easy to understand why picking bear over man could be sexist towards men. Do you mind if I jump in here? >> Sure. >> Well, I just want to add I I do think

Lola (DT44)the difference between those two circumstances. Um uh the reason that people are scared to run into a man is because there is a much higher chance that he will hurt you in some way, shape

Brian Atlasor form than a woman. Right. Um but you realize criminality in men is while it while it is true that you know men are over represented in violent crime. I

Lola (DT44)still want to focus in and say very small proportion of men would uh victimize a woman in this way. >> Sure. I I mean I can understand that. I do think that the majority of men that I know are very good men. But I also do

Lola (DT44)think that the majority of women have been have faced some kind of like >> bad experience. >> Yeah. Some violent act against them sexually or otherwise. But I I guess this is my issue with it. And if we open

Brian Atlasthe door to saying because of my own experiences or even because of bonafide crime statistics, I won't dispute that yes, men are over represented in violent

Brian Atlascrime statistics. No dispute there. But when it becomes to the when it comes to the point where we're essentially generalizing

Brian Atlasmen and we're making we're we're making discriminatory decisions, it does enter this realm of sexism. For example,

Brian Atlaswould you accept somebody saying, "Well, because of my I'm not speaking I'm just presenting hypothetical. I'm not speaking about my own own experiences,

Brian Atlasbut if somebody said, say a white person said, I myself have had one, two, three bad experiences with black people, and I know other people who have had bad

Brian Atlasexperiences with black people, and then certain crime statistics that I could cite to that are bonafide crime statistics that indicated or showed that per

Brian Atlascapita, black people engaged in ex crime more frequently than white people. And then I used this as justification and pretext for a broad generalized

Brian Atlasracism towards black people. I would find that objectionable. I would say perhaps these things are true. Perhaps you've had bad experiences with black a black person or you've had two or three bad experiences with a black person or

Brian Atlasyou could very well cite to certain crime statistics. But this would not mean that we should have a prejudice towards black people and and believe that they are uh bad or something or

Brian Atlasthat I would choose to be with a wild animal that is quite vicious and could much stronger than than any human

Lola (DT44)because of crime statistics and because of an uh firsthand bad experiences. Yeah, as much as I understand where you're coming from with that, I do think the primary difference is that men are

Lola (DT44)just more capable of causing harm, right? Like they they are physically stronger. Um, and I I don't think that there's any actual like real reason if you have a bad experience with a black person. Some people are out of control

Lola (DT44)of their trauma, right? Whatever. But I don't I think that most people in a circumstance like that can acknowledge on a logical level that there is no logical fear with that like general race. You know, I don't think people

Lola (DT44)tend to make general generalizations like that if other people of that same category don't pose the same threat, but all men are capable of the same harm that people have experienced, even if

Brian Atlasthey probably won't do it, right? >> This isn't the stone age where uh people have access to force multipliers, knives, guns. So women can own guns,

Brian Atlasthey can have knives, they can use other other sorts of weapons to inflict like massive massive amounts of bodily damage that completely outweigh any sort of damage you can do with your fists.

Lola (DT44)>> Well, that's the thing. I'm sure that if a woman was hiking with a gun, this question wouldn't be relevant because it wouldn't matter who she runs into. Like if the question was posed, you're hiking with a gun, would you rather run into a man or a bear? I don't get I don't get

Lola (DT44)>> but this idea that women are immune to participating in acts of violence seems a bit naive. >> Well, I don't think that they are. Um I think that you know a lot of there are women who have experienced violent acts

Lola (DT44)from other women who are uncomfortable around women as a result. But I also don't think that that stands as a generalization. Like I think that if a woman would rather encounter a bear, that's not because she thinks that all men are evil or because she thinks that all men will cause harm. there's just a

Lola (DT44)decent enough chance that you know like they said I think that men are less predict like human beings are less predictable than animals. If you are wellversed in what to do in a bear attack situation, obviously I'm not, right? But if you are very confident in

Lola (DT44)your ability to handle that situation, then I think that it's fair to to rather face that threat, you know, even if you don't think that that man would attack you that this

Brian Atlas>> But okay, I I get that. But I I suppose then would you be okay with perhaps uh a

Brian Atlasweak man a weak man uh like I who has firsthand a negative firsthand experience with a black person and they are familiar with crime statistics would

Brian Atlasyou then be okay well okay this person uh for these reasons then because you're talking about a differential in in physical strength between men and women right but you can acknowledge that there

Brian Atlascould be a specific man who's just as weak, so to say, as the average woman. >> Like, there are men who are just as weak as the average woman. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, now that we're talking about

Brian Atlassort of an equivalent differential in strength, are you okay with a weak man having this preference of bear over black person? >> Uh, if they personally have trauma regarding it, I do think that there's

Brian Atlaslike it's not always rational. That doesn't make sense, right? But if they are >> but you would you would rightfully label it as pre prejuditial or racist. >> Uh I think that it can be I think that >> it would be

Brian Atlas>> I don't necessarily believe so >> but I think the log logical extension from there would be then it so too must be sexist towards men to pick the bear. >> Okay. I I think that my best analogy

Lola (DT44)here is if someone had a really bad experience with someone with curly hair, right? someone with curly hair killed their whole family >> and therefore they would rather run into a bear on a hike than someone with curly

Lola (DT44)hair. I'm not offended by that. I don't think that's prejudice to me. I think that people have their own experiences and you know they feel more well equipped to handle certain things than others. Whether the rationality of uh

Lola (DT44)whether or not they'll be attacked like stands or holds, you know. Um and I I can understand that. I don't take offense to that. I think that the offense comes when uh the >> you would agree that there's different differing levels of severity when it

Brian Atlascomes to prejudice. >> Like for example, I'm really prejudiced against pineapple on pizza. Like I don't like >> really [ __ ] up, Brian. >> I know. I really don't like pineapple on pizza. And like I'm prejudiced against

Brian Atlaspineapple and I just on its own I don't really It's It's a bitter. It's a bit sour. Too far. Too far. There's way better fruits. Way better fruits than pineapples. Okay. Mangoes, peaches,

Brian Atlasplum, or [ __ ] plums. Uh, nectarines. Oh my god, peach. >> I love you. >> Not a fan of pineapples though. But most people wouldn't really have, you know,

Brian Atlasmuch significant objection to like a prejudice towards pineapple. >> But there's other prejudices that tend

Brian Atlasto manifest manifest themselves in more uh harmful ways, right? So, okay. Uh, you know, I think when it comes to the threshold of what could be harmful, like

Brian Atlascurly hair, I think people are going to have less an objection to like a a phobia of people who have curly hair versus like a phobia as it relates to uh I don't know if phobia is the right

Brian Atlasword, but prejudice against curly-haired pe people versus prejudice towards uh racial groups or prejudice towards men or women. Mhm. I understand that and as

Lola (DT44)much as I do, I do think that like it's not necessarily prejudice to just have your own experiences and to be uncomfortable in certain situations. I think that where the prejudice comes in and I can understand where you're coming from with this because on this argument

Lola (DT44)specifically, I have seen like the extreme sides of it both on both ends and I have seen people saying like, "Oh yeah, if you see a man like you're 100% going to die. At least you might survive a bear, right?" Like that's crazy.

Lola (DT44)That's insane. Um that is objectively prejudice. But yeah, I mean, if someone is acknowledging that like a a good a good portion of men aren't actually going to hurt you and it's not like a bear might even logically be more

Lola (DT44)threatening, but they literally just like logically would handle that better, you know? I don't think that's prejudice. They just they might feel they might like rather if they >> Give me a moment. >> Well, how about this? What about what

Brian Atlasabout this sort of other sort of example? >> Can Look, we're doing the show. It's okay. It's all right. It's almost midnight. >> We'll we'll wrap when we wrap. So, what about this? So, there is statistics that

Brian Atlasindicate that women are much more likely to kill I'm not talking about abortion. Women are much more likely to kill their uh infant children. It's called infanticide. The crime statistics show

Brian Atlasthat women are disproportionately unalive their own children as compared to men. And this is comparing like, you know, it's not like this unfair comparison because you might say, well,

Brian Atlaswomen are more likely to be like in the presence of children. No, it's like there's a per capita or whatever analysis that's been done. Women are more likely to unlive their children. So, if somebody asked me, well, Brian,

Brian Atlaswould you feel more comfortable uh leaving your daughter, your young one-year-old daughter or son with a saber-tooth tiger or with a woman? despite these crime statistics that

Brian Atlasexist and despite that I could say okay well women are more likely to unlive their children. It would be absolutely ridiculous for me to say that well cite to crime statistics and say well yeah I'd rather leave my child with like a

Brian Atlasmountain lion over >> a random woman. I'd much rather leave my child with a random woman. >> Yeah. >> Just stoping. >> We see that it's a brick wall. >> I I I I think that

Pamela (Violatrix)>> you guys picked man too. So I don't understand what I do. No trap. There's no trap. It's >> for a man. I just >> Brian, how many times have you been sexually assaulted by a woman? How many times?

Pamela (Violatrix)>> No, but that's a really weird question. >> It's just a really weird question. >> Okay. I'm sorry. Because in predatory terms, how many times have you >> How do you define Brian? I'm just asking

Shantel (WNBA)how many times have you been afraid for your I've had women grab like I've had women touch me when I didn't want >> the same thing. Brian, >> it's unc Oh, really? So, okay. It's It's okay to touch a woman. It's really just It's midnight.

Brian Atlas>> You have one goal. >> It's bad. It's bad. >> What? >> Wow. Okay, that seems Well, that seems like gaslighting. I'm engaging in good faith. Hold on. I'm engaging in good faith with this conversation. I know

Brian Atlasthat you want to be all upset about it because I didn't roll out the red carpet for you. Blah blah blah. You asked to be on You asked to be on the show. Bro, you're you're you've been undermining me the entire show. You clearly have some

Kianaissue with me. I'm engaging in this conversation. not beef him up. Like, I literally What are you talking about? >> I'm engaging in this conversation in >> I told all 4.5 million of your followers how much I respected you for how hard

Brian Atlasyou work on this. What are you talking about? You're making stuff up at this point. >> What did you just say? You said that at the beginning of the stream. What did you just say now? You're like, don't you You're trying to say like I'm trying to do something malicious. >> You said that you argue with people so

Kianayou can be right. So, you're not asking questions for them to have a point of view. You're asking questions for you to be right. So if you you admitted that yourself you said >> question are you ever going to change your your position on abortion?

Brian Atlas>> No. But would you debate? Hold on. Would you wait hold on >> just stop arguing then >> that's the point of the show lady the pre-show said Hold on. Stop. Hold on. We're we're

Brian Atlasalmost done. But hold on. >> So would you if you were having a have you ever debated somebody? >> You know this point I'm about to make is going to completely blow out your argumentation >> entirely here at this point. Would you?

Kiana>> I'm not here. >> Make your point. I am a woman who doesn't care about being wrong. Brian Brian, make your point. You're right, bro. I don't care.

Brian AtlasYou are so right. You are so right. Absolutely. And I'm afraid whatever you can just instead of doing this meta conversation where there's criticisms of

Kianathe actual it's basically meta conversation, just engage in the actual conversation. So my question to you is >> engage in conversations. you engage in one-sided arguments so you can be right. If this was a conversation we'd love, we'd be having so much fun, but you only

Lola (DT44)want to be right. >> Do you feel like I'm being bad faith in our discourse? >> Let's let's >> I do want to say on this topic specifically, I I mean I think that we're not hearing each other. We're on different sides, but I I do think that

Lola (DT44)he is making an effort to genuinely listen on this subject specifically in a way that I can stand by you didn't do earlier. >> Okay. >> But I I do think that this is being handled differently and I can respect

Brian Atlasthat. So, quick question for you. If you were engaged in an abortion debate, would you be like, "Well, I'm open to having my mind changed." Or are you so firm in your positions on abortion that

Brian Atlasit doesn't matter what kind of compelling arguments a pro-choiceer would make? You're f you're so firmly pro-life that you're not like you'll engage in the debate, but regardless of what they say or how their rhetorical

Brian Atlasflourishes or whatever or their logical argumentation, their reasoning, you are firm in your beliefs. You're not going to change your position on abortion. Is that fair to say? >> But if I'm so firm in my convictions and what I believe, I'm not going to go back

Kianaand forth with someone who clearly doesn't agree with me because at that point, I'm try I'm just trying to be right right on top of right on top of right on top of right. That at at some point it doesn't matter because if I

Kianabelieve what I believe, I'm going to stay that way and it doesn't matter what this other person said. I can hear them. I can engage in dialogue, but I'm not gonna keep badgering it and going after it >> for what at that point, Brian. Like,

Brian Atlaswhat is it? >> But hold on. You know what the show is, right? Like this is a show where people have these conversations. It's adversarial. It's contentious. That's the show. Like,

Brian Atlas>> so you can't act surprised when like >> you can't act surprised when >> Brian Anyways, whatever. I just for the sake of time, I'm just going to try to get things going here. Uh, Christopher, that is just plain stupid. All men do

Brian Atlasnot have the same capability to commit violence. Some men are in wheelchairs. Some men have no legs at all. And some men are 84 years old and can't run too fast. The prompt acts about a random man. Well put, Christopher. Well put.

Brian AtlasHere's what we're going to do, guys. So, we're going to do a $69 roast session to wrap up the show. So, uh, I know sometimes usually it's a bit lower, guys, but we have gone a bit late, so we

Brian Atlasdo have to just leave it at 69. So, we're going to do a $69 TTS. Make sure it's through Streamlabs, guys. Make sure it's through Streamlabs. Streamlabs.com/ whatever. We're going to do a roast

Brian Atlassession and then we'll uh hopefully get this wrapped >> session. >> Oh, the the audience can send in some roast. So, you guys will love this. It's kind of fun. They're going to roast me. Guys, you know what, guys? Send some

Brian Atlasroast towards me. The girls obviously hate me. So, just uh roast the [ __ ] out of me so they can feel better about tonight or whatever. Um >> we don't hate you, Ryan. H. You can be honest. >> Can't hate anybody. >> You can be honest. You strongly dislike me. How about that? >> No, I don't.

Brian Atlas>> Sure don't. >> All right. $69 TTS. Uh, get them in, gentlemen. Get them in. Uh, any thoughts from any of the panelists? Like, I know there's a bunch of notes. We won't be able to get to any of them. Does anybody

Javonhave anything they want to talk about or, you know, whatever? >> I think that this is a really good session uh to agree to disagree. I thought

Brian Atlas>> well you can say that I I don't agree to disagree. >> Agree to disagree. >> Please affirm my please affirm my identity as the right person. >> Oh, call backs.

Brian Atlas>> All the issues. Yes. Call back humor. It's uh my only charm. Uh please affirm please affirm

Brian Atlasmy identity. Please. $69 TTS. 69TS if you want to get it in.

Brian AtlasGood talk. Good talk. Look, I'm just saying with the bear thing, final thing. I'm just saying I think you guys underestimate the risk profile of a bear and I think you Wait, did I say underestimate

Brian Atlas>> you underestimate you underestimate the risk profile of a bear and you overestimate the risk profile of men. >> Food for thought. Food for thought. All right, TTS is 69. Oh, well done, Nick.

Brian AtlasYou got it. Perfect. Oh, damn. Nick is quick with it. Well done, Nick. >> Uh, let's see if I need to check it. No, I think everything's all said for anybody who wants to send in a roast. While we're waiting for those to trickle through, couple things here from the

Brian Atlasquestionnaire. Women are just as phys physically strong as men. Uh, that's Ugo Gio. Why uh you agree with that? Why is that? >> Um, okay. So when I had when I had

Javonanswered that, it wasn't in the within the correct context. But in speaking about like our the depth of our conversation earlier regarding sports, I have a different opinion. So that was like a quick write down. I wasn't thinking in depth.

Brian Atlas>> But generally speaking, would you say men are physically stronger than women? >> Generally speaking, yes. >> Okay. And I'm prepared to say like obvious biological reality. Obviously there are women who are stronger than men. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Like some women are stronger than some men, but Okay. All right. Nobody else bit on that. We have Let's see. Uh Lola, wait. Lola, is that you? >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay.

Brian Atlas>> I want to see if you'd get it. >> Uh you said women can't be sexist towards men. Why is that? >> Oh god, did I? Um >> Well, okay. Those ones I was Don't laugh at me. >> No, don't you know?

Lola (DT44)>> Yeah. >> Stick your heels in. I >> That's how you feel. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to make a a claim here. I I think that the term sexism in the same way

Lola (DT44)that I I I think that it's very hard to pin down. Um can women say things that are sexist? Yes. Can women view men as below them? Yes, that is sexist, right?

Lola (DT44)Um when I I circle or I didn't circle whichever one was the, you know, >> disagree. Um I I think that that was more so from a place of because of the

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