Charlie Kirk Debate: Charlie Compared To ADOLF H?! ALL Girls RAGE QUIT?! (FERAL) | Dating Talk #260

Date: 2025-09-15

Duration: 7h 37m

Guests

Brian Atlas

PPamela (Violatrix)>

SShantel (WNBA)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Pamela (Violatrix)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Olive(guest)

SPEAKER_04Javon(guest)

SPEAKER_05Ally (Snow)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Shantel (WNBA)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Harper(guest)

SPEAKER_11Lola (DT44)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Kiana(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian opens with Charlie Kirk tribute

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves. Shantel: 6'6", WNBA 2003-2009, abstinent 12 years.

Key MomentPamela reveals mafia-connected father deported her daughter's biological father

ControversyLola invokes Hitler comparison to ask about threshold of justified rejoicing at Kirk's death

Key Moment'What is a woman?' debate. Shantel provides WNBA perspective on trans athletes.

ControversyShantel says Kirk's DEI 'brain capacity' comments were racist

Key MomentBrian admits he is agnostic despite ~80% Christian audience — refuses to grift religious identity

ControversyBeauty standards debate. Brian reveals he only dates Black women.

OtherShantel rage-quits after viciously targeted viewer roast message

Topics Discussed

Charlie Kirk Tribute

Brian opens with Kirk tribute.

Guest Introductions

All 8 guests introduced. Shantel reveals 6'6", WNBA career.

Charlie Kirk Reactions

Lola invokes Hitler comparison. Shantel says Kirk DEI comments were racist.

What Is a Woman / Trans Sports

Lola: anyone who identifies. Others: adult human female. Trans sports debate with WNBA perspective.

Brian Rant About No-Show Guest

Angry rant about guest who cancelled citing safety concerns.

Colorism and Beauty Standards

Heated debate. Brian reveals he only dates Black women.

AI Photos and Roast Session

AI aging/gender swap. Shantel rage-quits after viewer roast. Pamela leaves for mammogram.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswebsite. >> Yeah, I I do research. I do I research everybody on your website. It's like just to contact me is $100. I should have charged you. I should have when you first DM'd me, I should have been like $2,000. Oh [ __ ]

Ally (Snow)>> That's nothing. There you go, pal. >> So, you're saying I'm cheap? Okay, keep going. >> Keep going. >> Am I a sex worker now? What the [ __ ] >> Yes. >> Now you're

Ally (Snow)$39.99. Brian, get it now. >> Yoink. Yoink. Wait, I got to play this. Hey, chill out, Felicity. What the hell?

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Grab me, boys. >> Honey, I'm I'm married. My husband This is This is like my fun money. My >> Oh, this is nothing to her. Nothing. >> Something to me.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Anybody else? >> Please. My most privileged child. >> Handling. >> Give me money. >> No. [ __ ] no. >> Tribute. >> She's got She's got Buu cash, but she's not Vendom.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> She's got Buu money. Anyways, let's move it on. Um, what were we going to do? There was >> I think I just bought some more screen time with that 100 tribute. >> So, you have to say the violatrix.com and my book. Can we pull my book out

Brian Atlassince I made a donation? >> That cost way more. You You got to You got to drop a thousand. You got to drop a thousand if you want. >> Take another sip, Brian. Go ruminate back on the Australian girl. Circle back to the Australian girl.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, we're kind we're going to move it on to uh Hold on. Let me see. We got uh we got the chat here coming in momentarily from all paladins. Uh hold on. Also guys

Brian Atlas>> Oh, Maron the dei. >> Did you say maron? >> It's like I haven't heard that since I watched the Sopranos.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Maron. >> It's an Italian. [Music] >> Um Maron is Marana. Oh, Maron. It sounds

Pamela (Violatrix)like Maron, but it means Madonna. >> I don't like that kind of talk. >> You [ __ ] hypocrite. >> And she was a whoa. >> And she was a whoa. >> She was a whoa. >> A Gumar.

Olive>> Oh, okay. We have this chat here from L Paladins. >> Oh, question for the W NA player. I'm sorry. Aren't you happy that you got where you are because of your

Olivetalent and not the color of your skin? Affirmative action is bad. Pilots should be hired for the same reason. >> No, I I agree that people should be hired because of their skin or because

Shantel (WNBA)not because of their skin. I did the same thing. >> Oh [ __ ] >> You see how it's not that telling? >> Oh [ __ ] The truth comes out.

Shantel (WNBA)>> No, no, no. I do not agree that people should be hired for their skin color. I don't believe that you should be saying

Shantel (WNBA)that people who support DEI do not have the brain capacity to get their role and so they

Shantel (WNBA)have to take a white person's spot. I do not agree with that. That is that in itself is a racist statement saying that those people do not have the

Brian Atlasbrain capacity and so they took a white person's spot. Now, affirmative action would be moving on. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We we lingered too long on the DI DEI stuff. >> Uh, was that Chloe Roma? I don't know

Brian Atlaswho sent that in. Thank you, Andre. Thank you for the Okay. Normally, it's below the threshold. >> Oh, it's Canadian money, too, bro. You You want me to say Tabernac? Send in >> Send in uh what?

Brian Atlas>> Send in a TTS 200 streamlines.com. Whatever. Tabernac. I'll say it. Wait, I just said it. [ __ ] >> Damn it. He got me. >> Clip. >> I'll say it the proper way. Okay, let's see here. Let's get into some of the

Brian Atlaspre-show notes. Actually, wait. We have to do No, let's do pre-show notes. Okay, who do we Who goes into the table? >> We have Snow. You're Snow. >> Yes. >> Okay. You do sex work and insurance?

Brian Atlas>> Yes, I do. >> Okay. Uh,

Brian Atlasyou had like you want to talk about dating while being a sex worker? >> Wait, here. I'll help. Uh, most men don't want to date a sex worker. >> They don't know. >> They don't know. >> Depends

SPEAKER_09>> about >> who you tell. You don't tell everybody, do you? >> Oh my god. You withhold that [ __ ] Yikes. Holy [ __ ] >> Wait, wait, wait. >> Oh, she just >> She hasn't even made a claim yet. You'd be surprised. >> Oh, it's boring. Okay. Well, everything

Shantel (WNBA)else in your pre-show notes are kind of boring, too. >> Wait, do you tell the men that you're dating that you're a sex worker? >> Um,

Ally (Snow)you do understand seeking arrangement. >> Two of my relationships out of >> 100. >> Three. >> [ __ ] off. Okay, hold on. Wait. One, two,

Ally (Snow)three. One, two, three. >> Oh, boy. for >> I think I've been with five people like in a relationship. So what the [ __ ] is >> Ryan?

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Two people two people I've told but that was >> young dumb and full of you'd be surprised how men do not care. >> I would not like now if I was dating

Shantel (WNBA)somebody now I wouldn't tell them >> or if I did tell them they would have to accept that >> and still support me. Anyone should anyone should have to accept that? Like

Pamela (Violatrix)how how should how am I supposed to make an informed decision about my life if I don't know? >> Do you know what anybody's really doing? Because most girls that are on Tinder, Hinge, Bumble, they're also on Seeking

Pamela (Violatrix)Arrangement. It's it's just packaged in a different form. What do we call it? Sex for for money, sex for privilege, sex for power, sex for status. It's all just how you package it. They're all

Shantel (WNBA)doing it. It's just who's being forthright about it. Yeah. And I don't I don't agree with lying about lying to anyone you're with about anything. Like at the end of the day, if you're

Shantel (WNBA)physically with somebody else and then you're going to physically come be with somebody else, they should know that they're you're not exclusive so that they can make an informed decision about

Pamela (Violatrix)what they're doing with their upon that person to get themselves tested and all the reg because you don't know what anybody's doing. You don't know what anybody I don't even even if like a

Shantel (WNBA)prostitute is clean. I don't want >> even if she's clean to date a woman who's a prostitute >> and he might want to he should be able to make that choice though.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Okay, but let me let me let me but I'm saying you should be able to make that choice. I do >> pose it to you a different way. Just like someone who's trans has should

Pamela (Violatrix)divulge upfront relatively quickly after establishing I I'm just saying. Because there's a danger in sex. I tell everybody I'm a fan, but

Pamela (Violatrix)I'm also married. But someone in sex work has to be very careful because she's setting herself up. Predatory men will do nothing but serve her up. She'd be serving herself up on a silver platter. We have to remember after at

Pamela (Violatrix)the end of the day, she's a she's a mom. She's a single mom. She's a female. Oh. Oh, let me just Hey, Tinder date. I don't know you, but I'm a sex worker. Bam. I mean, they're going to think about it.

Shantel (WNBA)>> They're going to what? What are they going to do? What are they going to do? >> Let Lord, let me count the ways of >> Yeah, but a relationship, getting into a relationship. You don't have to know relationship. We're saying the early stages.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, but hold on. If your if your argument is about an uh related to safety, the most safe thing you could do is allow the man to make an informed decision ahead of time before he gets

Pamela (Violatrix)bamboozled into dating a woman who's like [ __ ] other people. He's doing it correctly. In the first few dates, nothing's happening. If men if men were doing this the way we used to do it oldfashioned, by the time it got to

Pamela (Violatrix)intimacy, he would know >> if he jumps in bed with her. >> Please, Brian, with the men that are on the DL. Do you know that all my clients, 99% of them are married vanilla men

Ally (Snow)>> and they're low virtue men? >> No, they're not. Some some of these I have billionaires who [ __ ] barrel [ __ ] up. Literally wait.

Brian AtlasThere's really great men who I stop. It's baked into the the example you provided. Married men are seeking me out for sexual services. That's in contravention of a marriage. You should that's absolutely cheating. It's baked

Ally (Snow)in. >> That's not my business. If I was just hooking up with somebody just to hook up with a man and they were married and they're in a relationship, then I just wouldn't do that. >> A man who's married who calls me because

Pamela (Violatrix)he likes to wear panties >> and doesn't want his wife to know. I'm not with him. I'm watching him on camera. I'm just on the phone. Is he cheating? >> He's low virtue. >> He's low virtue.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> That is so juvenile. That is so ignorant. You guys don't realize how much of the population is indulging in this. This is your doctor. This is your next door neighbor. This is your

Brian Atlasemployee. You guys have no idea. I get that. That doesn't make it right. That doesn't make it right. >> I get that. I get that. But that isn't a

Pamela (Violatrix)>> My point still stands. It's still >> You guys think it's sexual. You guys think it's all sexual. You guys think it's all sexual. >> Would the wives be upset if they found out they were doing it? >> I asked every one of them, "Have you

Pamela (Violatrix)involved your wife?" Well, I tried early on in the marriage. She couldn't understand it. So, I found it's better to compartmentalize these things. They're not all sexual. First of all, fetish, we don't choose. Let me tell you

Pamela (Violatrix)how fetish is born. Kink and fetish. We don't choose what we're attracted to. Something way back in pre-adolescence happens and we get >> hard locked in the psyche. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. But so my position would be if you're married to somebody then there should be like an open line of communication and perhaps initially if you like bring this to your partner like look I get it people are sexually

Brian Atlasrepressed or whatever but I think the foundation of a good relationship would be like some degree of openness to like varying degrees of sexuality. So in this case, if you're a man, I mean, it depends.

Brian Atlas>> No, it depends the degree of like what the fetish is or whatever. But like I think it would be fair if uh a guy has a foot fetish for example and he he's married to his wife and it's a loving,

Brian Atlascaring relationship, I think first step would be bring well I don't think there would be really any steps afterwards. Bring it to your wife first and then have an open conversation about it and maybe she's willing to engage in your

Pamela (Violatrix)fetish. This is such this this is many many episodes onto itself. I can't begin to scratch the surface of what I do psychologically for 20 years. A woman wrote me on TikTok tonight earlier today

Pamela (Violatrix)and she said, "You know more Pam than most psychologists because what I see the veil be when I pull the veil back, what I see the average psychologist

Pamela (Violatrix)isn't seeing." Okay? And I deal with everything from guys who were molested by their childhood best friend's father on a camping trip and they are in a

Pamela (Violatrix)relationship but they can't get off until they I deal with every possible case scenario. But you are naive if you talk about like abnormal psychology here. Like I mean

Pamela (Violatrix)healing they don't need to be cheating on their wives in that way. >> It's healthy to indulge those kinds of >> You tell me. Have you been Have you been sexually assaulted by your best father? He was calling me to talk through these

Pamela (Violatrix)things. Listen, you guys can judge. At the end of the day, >> I don't take anybody's money. It says fendom because that's the only thing you can say on social media. I am not just a fendom. >> Yeah. Okay. So, back to the original

Brian Atlaspoint. Uh, generally speaking, I think most men don't want to be involved with a woman who's a prostitute, escort, sex worker, etc. Like most men. To be clear, I'm not saying that you guys I know

Brian Atlasyou're married. I know you have plenty of men who would love to be with you. What I'm saying is when I'm saying most, that could be like 51%. >> You think you'd be shocked at who's the these

Brian Atlas>> Just to be clear, sex workers have no shortage of men who want to date them. But typically, these men to tend to lean more towards being low virtue men. Most

Brian Atlashigh virtue men don't want to date sex workers. daddy right now. My husband is the vice president of a global biotech. He's got a PhD in organic because you're just because you have high status or a lot of money doesn't make you high virtue.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> I don't know your husband. I'm not saying anything. >> My husband was dating a Playboy playmate before he dated me. I was a single mom. I was living in back in Pennsylvania. She was a baby. And I was very, very careful as to what

Pamela (Violatrix)I let him know. And when I ultimately told him what I did, he said, "Well, I have more respect for what you do than the average playboy playmate." >> How about how about this then? I'll go ahead and let's just go ahead and grant

Brian Atlasfor the sake of argument that you know what? Most men are fine with women being prostitutes and they'd be will be happy to date them and marry them. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. Prostitute. >> Well, okay, fine. Sex work.

Ally (Snow)>> I'm a cyber fendom, which is different. >> She's a prostitute, >> which is how this conversation started. >> You said you you do escorting. That's prostitution. >> I know. I know. But you would call it an escort. Prostitute. Escort. Sex work.

Ally (Snow)Stuff doesn't exist. We can pretend. If you want to certain areas, there's different sex work. She does sex work. You're That's prostitution. >> Yeah. >> Like, okay, fine. I look, for example,

Brian AtlasI'll be I'll be fair. I don't think a woman who's a lingerie model, >> I won't call her a prostitute. She's not I don't I from my definition I don't think a woman who posts lingerie photos

Brian Atlasis a prostitute. Is she if she It's like on Only Fans she's a sex worker. She's not a prostitute. You do escorting definitionally that's prostitution. I'm not using that in a pjorative sense.

Brian AtlasProstitution just that's what it is. I would argue though, you know what? I'm prepared to make a prescription. Forget I'm not even going to speak

Pamela (Violatrix)descriptively. prescriptively. I don't think men should date sex workers. >> Why? >> Whether they should whether they should or they shouldn't, this is what's

Pamela (Violatrix)happening. And the problem is in the UK, in Germany, in Netherlands, Switzerland, this is all totally acceptable. It's here in the United States that we clutch our pearls. >> Yeah. And those are always here. That

Pamela (Violatrix)doesn't make it right. Those >> doesn't make it right, but it's happening. And you guys that are pretending like it's not. >> No, no, no, no. I'm not pretending you're not at all. >> Fools. If you think it's not happening left and right, >> the liberal the liberalization in all

Brian Atlasthe countries you listed, you said the UK, the Netherlands, Germany. I mean, they're about they're literally like a generation from losing their [ __ ] country. Like, >> what does that have to do with >> it? Everything to do with it because it's the liberalization of these

Pamela (Violatrix)countries. >> The United States was founded by religious pilgrims seeking religious freedom. We are still a young country. We are not ready for these convers. My sickest clients are out of Germany. Okay, great.

Brian Atlas>> Let me just tell No surprise there. No surprise there. Germany will literally be lost within a [ __ ] generation. I'm telling you the rules. I'm just telling you how it is. >> I'm telling you that I wanted to tell

Harperyou something that I agreed with what you were saying about how there is some form of prostitution even if it's for

Harperthat bag um that house. you know, you don't really like him, but you want that house, you want that car, you want and you don't wanna, you know, he's gonna

Harpergive you the money to do it, and all you have to do is sleep with him or pretend to be his girlfriend or be his girlfriend and not like a perfect example of this. >> So, I just wanted to

Brian AtlasThere's no dispute that sex workers or former sex workers or what whatever it is can have happy marriages. I'm not disputing that. But what I'm saying is >> Yes, you are. >> No, you

Brian Atlas>> Hold on. It's possible. Um I'm just saying that I don't think like prescriptively if a guy like if my male Do you have sons? >> I do not. I mean I have her boyfriend

Brian Atlaswho I raised for 5 years. If you if you had a son, like if you had to choose between a woman who was a virgin versus and just like a normal gal, virgin girl,

Brian Atlasor >> like a woman who who had prostituted in the past and she slept with like 300 men. >> Brian, you're talking to the wrong person because a virgin is going to be a

Pamela (Violatrix)whole cacophony of problems because she's never experienced anything and she hasn't begun to live her life. That is a woman. Why does sex determine she's her life? >> Wait, wait, hold on. Even if because my mother was one when she married my

Brian Atlasfather and I this >> No, you guys don't want to come at me with this stuff. >> But let's test it. Let's test it out. So, okay, I'm even willing to grant that it might be the case that a woman who's a virgin, maybe she doesn't have a lot

Brian Atlasof relation relationship experience and because of this, you know, maybe she makes certain mistakes in a relationship, whatever. Sure. Maybe like a woman who does have past relationship

Brian Atlasrelationship experience might be better suited in some capacities. But the comparison here is between a virgin and a woman who previously was a prostitute and slept with 300 men. For your own

Brian Atlasson, would you tell him if he had to choose between two two women, date the prostitute or date the virgin? Who who would you tell your son to date? >> I have two words for you. >> Answer the question first, then give me two words. >> Mary Magdalene.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> What? >> Hold on. Okay. First off, that's fake news. She wasn't a prostitute. Secondly, >> no, no, she she listen to me. >> You are asking you are asking something so completely Brian, I answered the

Pamela (Violatrix)question. No, you didn't answer. >> I would never go for the virgin because the virgin >> Wait, ask me a question. >> Ask me a question. >> Genghask Khan, did does that answer the question? >> I answered the question. I said I would never go for the virgin.

Shantel (WNBA)>> Mary Magdalene is a mute point because she intentionally changed her life, right? She changed her life. She was this and she stopped being this and went

Shantel (WNBA)to be this. We're never going to agree. But initially, we're talking about honesty. We are not talking about like, yes, men are going to date sex workers. They're going to go to prostitutes.

Brian AtlasThey're going to watch porn. They're going to do all of the No, that's [ __ ] [ __ ] Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. There's high virtue men that don't do any of that [ __ ] Get that out

Brian Atlasof here. So, anyways, back to this. Answer my question. Do you want your son to be with the prostitute? >> You answered this three times. The prostitute. >> You'd prefer your son to be with the prostitute over the virgin? >> I mean, you're asking you're asking a

Shantel (WNBA)sex worker that question. So, like, of course, she's going to say that. But the issue is that >> not because I was raised conservative Catholic. >> Are men going to do that or not? The issue initially what we started talking

Shantel (WNBA)about was the honesty. >> Why will this what we're here for? Isn't this what we're doing? >> You letting them know telling them >> what they're getting into that you're a sex worker.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Watch out boxes >> at least eventually when it gets serious to tell them >> is that in a very unique set of circumstances. My mother was a virgin when she married my father and it didn't

Shantel (WNBA)work out well. My father was known as the legendary lethario. It did not work out well >> and that's doesn't mean it's not going to for anybody else. That's one testimony. That's one that's one example.

Brian Atlas>> It's my control. I want to ask the rest of the panel here. Uh, you have a son. He has a choice between two women. I know it's a hypothetical. Whatever. >> Prostitute who's been with 300 men for

Javonwork or virgin girl. Which one do you pick? Starting with who? Your son. Who should he date? Who should he date? >> Subjective. >> It is subjective. >> That's That's a very subjective question

Brian Atlasto me. >> Okay. Let's just assume uh they're person like um let's say they're both good people. Former prostitute, whatever. Both good people. Who should he date? >> Still subjective. Like it depends. >> Well, yeah, it's a hypothetical. I'm

Javonasking you to engage in the >> hypothes who my son is. It depends on, you know, who these girls are. Like to to me, >> he's your son. That's who he is. >> I don't matter. He My son could be, you know, a [ __ ] dick. >> Autistic. He could be autistic. >> So, because he's a dick, then he should Which one should he get because he's a

Javondick? >> It depends on his life. who whoever he's going to get along with more depends on his life experience. Like in my opinion, the the question is very subjective. Like it all of it subjective. >> Okay. Is this subjective? Would you

Brian Atlasprefer your son date a woman who uh is like has severe mental illness or a woman who's mentally stable? >> Mentally stable obviously, >> but it's subjective. Hold on. What if it's subjective?

Brian Atlas>> And that's true. What if my son's autistic and I don't want him being with anybody? Like it like >> Wait, hold on. Whoa. That's a crazy take. >> But it's Wait, hold on. Autistic people can >> My husband's autistic. >> I'm autistic. I should be able. Clearly, you're autistic.

Brian Atlas>> Thank you. Appreciate that. >> But no, it's a superpower. Why would that be an insult? My whole >> Yeah, but she was saying if her son's autistic, she wouldn't want him to date somebody. What? >> Wait. No, no, no, no, no, no. Like,

Javonseverely. That's my whole family. >> Even severe autism, whatever. Who cares? They can find love. >> They can't consent to sex. Uh, severely autistic people doesn't equal sex. Wait, hold on. I can'tert

SPEAKER_07severely autistic people. Sex means experience now. So, are >> people People with Down syndrome have beautiful relationship? I'm not an expert in autism. So, >> how the [ __ ] did we get stop? I'm not an

Pamela (Violatrix)expert in autism or whatever. So, like, is it actually the case that like >> you are so gone that you can't consent? If that's the case, then it's a spectrum. You have horrible.

Brian Atlas>> Super extreme. Great. Super extreme example. I'm I'm prepared to make the claim that the majority of people who have diagnosed autism can consent to sex. Okay. Next. >> Well, no. Yes, that is very true. Um,

Brian Atlas>> okay, great. That was an extreme. Let's fine. Okay. People who can't consent to sex shouldn't consent to sex. Next. >> That's Yeah, that's >> okay. Great. >> Yeah. But I I do believe that a lot of these questions are subjective. So, that's >> Okay. Uh, who who would you prefer your

Brian Atlasson with? You're not going to like my answer. >> I don't have kids. >> I I'm I'm on the same side as her. Subjective. >> Whoever's suited best. I don't think it makes a difference. >> Who Who would you prefer your son?

Lola (DT44)>> I think it really goes situation by situation. >> Who the woman is, who the I do think that this can depends. It's not like size fits all type of thing. >> I think that this can be summed up as none of us think that that plays a role

Brian Atlasin it. None of us think that's a positive or a negative part. >> Wait, wait. Can I ask you a question? >> Sure. Do you have towards like body count? >> Me >> like in a guy? >> No. >> Really? So you'll like

Brian Atlas>> So a guy whose relationship >> you for a long-term rel are you monogamous? >> Yes. >> Okay. So for a long-term monogous relationship, you wouldn't at all factor

Brian Atlasin, for example, a guy who is and was a [ __ ] boy versus the guy who has a history of like one, two, or three long-term relationships. >> A [ __ ] boy is different than having a high body count. If if he is like uh

Lola (DT44)>> you could be a [ __ ] boy without a high body count because the high body count's probably worse. >> No, that's that's my point. I wouldn't date a [ __ ] boy, but I probably would date someone with a high body count >> because the term [ __ ] boy implies that they're not like treating women well. >> No, I don't mind if they're having sex

Lola (DT44)with a lot of women. >> You can treat a woman well and be a [ __ ] boy. >> I I don't know. I associate Yeah. Right. That term to me like it comes with being kind of a shitty person, right? >> I don't Maybe we just have different ideas of the term. But yeah, my my thing

Lola (DT44)is I don't care if someone slept with a lot of people. So long as they've been respectful, so long as they're kind, so long as they view women as humans, you know, >> I don't really care. >> It's subjective. What about you, your son? >> Girl, >> um,

Olive>> the prostitute or the virgin. >> I feel like with the it like what they said, it's pretty subjective and it's also like your opinion. Me personally, okay, >> I would like my >> Wait, wait, hold on, wait, wait, hold

Brian Atlason. Let me restart this. You're You're all right. It's totally subjective. It's totally subjective. You still didn't answer the question. Answer the question. >> I answered it. >> Yeah, you answered it. So, if you had to

Brian Atlaspick one, you have I get that it's objective. You're totally right. It's subjective. If you have to pick one, which one do you pick? >> Can I skip a question? >> No, you have to answer the question. >> All right. Um,

Brian Atlas>> the prostitute. >> Okay. >> Yeah, [ __ ] it. The prostitute. >> Okay. If you have to pick one, >> 304. >> Which do you pick? >> Uh, the virgin. >> What does that mean? >> All right. W. Okay. What about you? Tilt your mic down a little bit. Tilt your mic down.

Shantel (WNBA)>> Tik Tok. >> Just a teeny bit. Go ahead. >> Um, I'm going to pick the one that's safest and healthiest for him, which is the virgin. >> Okay. What about you? >> Yep. The virgin. >> What about you?

Shantel (WNBA)>> The virgin. >> What was in the majority? Prostitute. Huger. >> 304. >> Popular doesn't mean right. was I I said what was the majority? I didn't say popular. >> Well, I'm the tiebreaker.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> That would be the majority. >> The majority would be the most popular. Whatever's the most popular would be the majority. Like majority. >> I am super sad that this is coming off as neat little boxes because none of

Pamela (Violatrix)this fits into neat little boxes. And your moral high ground over there, I am really sorry to tell you that a lot of the people that you I'm sure find morally superior are probably my clients.

Shantel (WNBA)>> No, no, no, no, no. I did not say anything about moral superiority other than you should be honest about what somebody is getting into. >> I don't disagree with you. >> Okay. So that was my whole entire point

Shantel (WNBA)is that if you are going to do sex work and engage in a relationship with someone >> I agree. >> Then you should disclose that to that person. >> It can't be done straight out of the gate.

Shantel (WNBA)>> That was my whole entire like okay first date you know on the on the dating app or whatever. Uh, yo Jay, I'm sorry for the delay.

SPEAKER_00>> I wasn't looking like $99. Let's do this one more time. >> Yo, thank you Jay. We lovely. >> You're [ __ ] legend, sir. >> Glasses up for Charlie. >> Felicity, grab a popsicle. >> Wack Mary.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, I'll pour you some more cuz we're getting another champagne bottle. So, I'll pour it before I >> Yo, Jay. Sorry, I didn't mean to over talk there. Not one step back. Jay, sorry for the delay on this. I was just

Brian Atlasso engaged in the convo. I missed it. I'm I'm sorry. And we have some TTS here too. Also delayed. Andre >> Andreated $200.

SPEAKER_00Brian, let's have it. Comrade Austin. The tabernacle chair one. >> I don't know. >> Tabernac. Is that good? >> What does that mean? >> The tabernacle chair. >> Huh? >> You want another? >> Yeah. It's a champagne.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> What does that mean? >> Tabernacle is the thing behind the altar that the holy eucharist goes. >> Tabernac. Is that good? Is that good? by the way because of the delay Andre >> being insulted or not.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Thank you. >> Day tabernacle chair. It means >> what does it mean? >> It means the person with the moral superior high that has the holy

Brian Atlaseucharist tabernacle. >> So anyways, um Andre, sorry for the delay, >> which I don't know who they're referring to. Andre, sorry for the delay on

Brian Atlasuh if you Andre for for 10. If because it there was a delay on your TTS, Andre. Uh if you want to send in a 10, I'll treat it as a TTS because there was a

SPEAKER_00delay getting to it. I apologize. We have the Joker here, too. This applies to Joker, too. >> Joker donated $200. >> Okay. >> Girl on the right. Share one. You look like Harley Quinn. So hot. I would be your

Brian Atlas>> Why so serious, bro? >> Pick a card. Red and I'm your man. Black and I'm your man. >> Yo, chat, tell the the Joker. We have a rule. If you simp for a girl, you have to pay the Sim tax. You have to send in

Brian Atlasanother TTS to pay the SIM tax. >> That's her boxer name, Harley Quinn. >> Actually, wait, because there's a delay on his TTS. >> Your SIM tax is just $10. >> Oh, right. Uh, why don't you get that

Brian Atlasgoing? >> Oh my god. These champagne bottles let out. >> Did you guys hear that? The little >> It doesn't pop. God [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> Before you swig out of it, Brian. >> All right. Push it. Push it more. >> Thank you. >> Oh, there we go. WB flavor with a reach. >> Thank you. >> That's an awesome reach. >> All right. Sorry, guys. One sec. Let me

Brian Atlaspour this and then Felicity will I don't know. Do things. Okay. Pass it down. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay. Okay, that was >> Oh, yeah. >> Uh Olivia, >> you guys. >> Yes.

Olive>> You're going to read this one for us. >> It's not the CA. >> Oh, we're back. >> I'm so sorry. I cannot read. >> It's not the case. >> It's not the case. Mint. >> Okay, you read it. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> It It is not the case that men dominate

Javonjust because of physical strength. All top chess players in the world are men. Um we have higher we have higher calculation, skills, and spatial awareness. Of course you do. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Spot on. He's he's right. I I disagree. Okay.

SPEAKER_12>> Why? >> I I can't do the sports [ __ ] again. Give me a break. >> All right. >> No more. >> Read this one. >> Uh, chair 2 just admitted that all the >> No, no, no, no, no, no. Felicity, stop. >> We can't.

Javon>> No, >> no. The microwaves. We can't. >> Chair two, >> Chair 2 just admitted that all women are either open or closeted. >> Going to be cold pizza. >> And that all men

Javon>> are depraved. I can't read it. It disappeared. Brian made it disappear. >> Wait, who here wants pizza? >> Um, I'll have like >> Anybody want pizza? >> Okay. >> Can we do after we're done? >> Yeah. >> Wait, I was just getting roasted. Actively roasted. Brian, please bring it

Brian Atlasback. >> Anybody want any pizza now, though? >> All right. >> Yes. >> Yeah, we'll wait. >> Yeah, >> I'm good. Oh, she'll she wants one. >> Just a small slice. >> Give her one slice with a plate and

Pamela (Violatrix)napkin, please. >> Uh, where were we? Did we read the one? Did we read the one from Christopher? >> Chair two, please. >> I don't believe so. >> I wouldn't have finished the chair too.

Javon>> This one? Did we read this one? >> No. Something happened. Oh, >> just submitted the all women. >> We did this one, right? >> I I didn't read the whole thing. >> Oh, finish it then. >> The um that all men are depraved and cheaters. The unicorn. Check your

Pamela (Violatrix)worldview. >> That's not at all what I said. >> That's convenient. >> That's a crazy leap from what you said. >> It really is. >> And that's okay because that's mostly what I get. thought it would be hot. >> Well, it's been sitting.

Shantel (WNBA)>> I just want to clarify like I don't have any moral high ground. I have chosen to live my life a different way after living my life probably I probably would

Shantel (WNBA)have agreed with you guys on many many things. >> So like I'm not trying to say I'm better or higher than anybody. I always have had a conviction that I believe that

Shantel (WNBA)everyone should have be able to make an informed decision on what they're getting into. Even to the point where I've been dating someone wanted to

Shantel (WNBA)partake in other opportunities with other people and instead of cheating, I went to the person I was dating and I said, "Hey, I need an open relationship. I know you don't want one, but if you're willing to participate in this, then we

Shantel (WNBA)can either break up or you're going to be willing to participate in this. >> You you wanted to be an open relationship. >> Yeah. See, that's so >> now this is now this is before before my life changed, before I chose to follow

Shantel (WNBA)Jesus. But I'm saying like the conviction of people should be able to make an informed decision on what they're getting into. I respected that person so much that I told the truth when I could have easily lied.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Here's where because of that. Here's where we were. We were saying the same thing. We were just on a different path. >> Yeah. >> Me 100% people should disclose that. The problem is people are so afraid to

Pamela (Violatrix)disclose it. As long as everybody keeps it in their pants during the discovery process, it's fine. The problem is everybody's jumping into bed without these informed decisions. So the women are protecting themselves with not

Javondivulging. Men are on the DL. Men are on the DL. Men are on the DL. Brian. >> Oh, listen. I know that's real. >> Also, it's a debate. We're all being a little bit dramatic.

Brian Atlas>> Um, no, we're not. >> To uh to Jay Saloo. Jay, great moderator, legendary guy, uh, and just

Brian Atlasallound gentleman and a scholar. Saloo >> salic. [Laughter] Also, the explanation for the microwave, it interferes with our Wi-Fi signal and it'll

Brian Atlas>> damn >> it'll [ __ ] the stream up and all our [ __ ] if we run >> if we run the microwave while we're uh streaming. So, can't do that. Okay. Uh we have a chat here from Stifler,

Brian Atlasunfortunately, because reasons. Uh his question, Stifler's question is, rate your looks on a scale of 1 to 10.

Brian AtlasYou can't pick seven. Starting with you, go ahead. >> I'd probably give myself a good probably a six. >> Okay. What about you?

Pamela (Violatrix)>> In the age 53. >> In the age 53 category, we're going to go a strong eight. >> Okay. What about you? >> 10. >> Okay. What about you, >> bro? You know your turn's about to be

Brian Atlas[ __ ] Oh my god. Bro, >> I don't.

Ally (Snow)5.5.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, like a six. >> Like an eight. >> Eight. >> Eight.

Brian Atlas>> Why don't Oh, sorry. I I was a bit premature there. >> Cue the jokes. Uh, I give myself a five. Why don't average women Why don't they

Brian Atlasjust consider themselves average? That's always confused me, but okay. >> Okay. Who are you referring to? >> Uh, like almost everybody who rated themselves like more than a six or a

Kianaseven, >> right? Can I comment? >> Sure. Go ahead. >> Um, I've watched quite a bit of these when they rate themselves and when the

Kianagirls say 10, they always get >> flak, but I just feel like you're always going to be ugly to someone. You're always going to be beautiful to someone. And if you truly value how you were

Kianamade, then you don't really need anybody to validate because in everybody in their own way is a 10. Like you may have not the most appealing face to somebody, but if your character is is amazing,

Brian Atlasthat makes you a 10. If your character is garbage, but you look pretty, >> that may make you lower. So it just it's relative. If the framework and

Brian Atlasfoundation for the question is not just strictly about me me and it's about okay some self assessment of what you think

Kianaother people might assess you as and what the truth actually is then >> but the truth is relative to who's saying it because if a if a if a man

Brian Atlasloves long blonde hair they're going to be think a long blonde hair is a 10 over someone who has long hair who with long blonde hair who are like all not tens like the sole determin I understand what she's going

Kiana>> but I'm just making an example like depending on what your preferences are what you're attracted to >> that's going to determine if you think someone is beautiful or not if you think there are five versus a someone who

Kianastrictly likes Latino women are going to think maybe black women are ones or it's it it literally is just this controlled experiment is trying to put up what he believes to be a 10 And then we can rate ourselves against that

Harper>> is that basically. >> So Brian, what is average to you, Brian? Cuz you always ask that, but you ask on a scale of 1 to 10. Well, which one is average? >> Five. Five would be average. >> Five is average. The middle.

Lola (DT44)>> Yeah. >> I just I I think that like say if if we were to rate each other, every single person would give this >> um every single person would give every person at this table different answers most likely. Like we're not all going to agree on something >> and you could average it out and come to

Lola (DT44)something. >> Sure. But then if you ask a group of 10 different people, you know, like my point is if you were to ask I'm sorry. Go on. >> Well, your uh your the amount of people there you reference

Lola (DT44)10 is very low. >> But if you do 100,000 for example, if this was even possible, >> you don't think there'd be any patterns? >> No. I mean, I'm sure that there would be, but I just do not think that there would ever be a uniform answer. And I

Brian Atlasthink that this goes to show >> Well, hold on. Yes. So I'm not I agree that like one person might say like there's outliers, right? So somebody could say this person is like a seven

Brian Atlasand somebody else might say that person's a three. Can I ask you a question though? If I were to ask all the women in the United States if they think Donald Trump is more physically attractive than like Brad Pitt when he

Brian Atlaswas 25, what do you think? Like do you think it would be purely subjective? It's purely subjective that uh there there wouldn't be any sort of >> This is wrong.

Lola (DT44)>> Okay, that's great. You don't think that there would be any sort of uh consensus? >> Well, I'm sure that there would be. Like I said, I think that >> What do you think the consensus would be? >> I think that people would probably say

Lola (DT44)Brad Pitt is more attractive. And you know what? There probably would be exceptions, but I also think that if you were asked to rate Brad Pitt on a scale of 1 to 10, people would say different things. You can guess a range. Sure. But

Lola (DT44)all of this goes to show that if we are defining like objective beauty based on what the collective thinks and the collective cannot agree, sure you can find an average. Sure, you can guess. But the point is no one's like view is

Lola (DT44)ever going to be objective. We can't come to a conclusion of what is most correct when it comes to something that like doesn't can't be quantified in any real way. Well, I mean, so beauty, it's not objective in the strict

Brian Atlasphilosophical sense, but there are it's not purely subjective either. So, there are objective components to it. >> Yeah. There are like beauty standards.

Shantel (WNBA)There are uh you know, just things >> which change depending on who you are, where you are and what age you are. Absolutely. who you're asking and all of the things where you ask these things

Brian Atlaslike I I think that >> well but even across cultures and time periods there's still sort of generalized things that have always been

Brian Atlasdeemed uh as attractive or beautiful things like symmetry balance uh these sorts of things even across cultures there are things that would

Lola (DT44)just make regardless of your race or whatever it is would make you physically attractive in any Sure. Yes. >> In that case, is is your argument that those are the only things that we can judge based on if we all agree upon them

Lola (DT44)>> because other otherwise they don't really hold it doesn't matter that we all agree because it doesn't hold any more weight than the things we disagree on. >> And if you go back in time like 60, 70,

Shantel (WNBA)80 years, the the body of a woman that was considered beautiful and healthy is going to be completely different than the body of a woman who's completely healthy right now. Even if you go back

Brian Atlasto before the Kardashians, that beauty standard has changed drastically. And so >> well, they paid to look like that, too. >> I mean, that's true. In the beginning,

Brian Atlas>> even they are taking out all their plastics, well, not all of it, but they're taking out some of their plastic surgery. But I think it's like, >> yeah, it's the case that beauty

Brian Atlasstandards change over time, but these are typically like typically fairly small. For example, I don't think that uh for most of human history, obesity has dee has been deemed to be attractive.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Incorrect. >> Very correct. Very correct. >> No, there was there was absolutely periods in history, whether it be the Roman times, whether it be old English

Brian Atlastimes, where a zapig where having a plumpness denoted >> wealth, riches. So they're attracted to that, not the actual

Brian AtlasThat's a representation of something >> and that's the look. So whether you were plump, you were fat. Am I wrong on this? They're very not wrong. >> But hold on. But there were like first off back in that that time people weren't like

Pamela (Violatrix)like you're talking about royalty and [ __ ] like kings and queens and princes and princess. >> Have you ever seen the Queen Victoria? The the meme that always goes around that she like the men that killed themselves because they couldn't get her. Did you ever see her? >> Yeah. Do do you think that people were

Brian Atlasmarrying back then? Especially like the aristocracy or like royalty. They were marrying for looks or they were marrying >> Habsburgs. Look at the Habsburg dynasty. >> Right. Exactly. They were marrying. Hold on. They were marrying for like some

Pamela (Violatrix)sort of political or diplomatic benefit. >> Correct. >> Right. It has nothing to do with looks. >> Okay. Hold on. You very conveniently slide. You like almost gaslight from one topic into another and you do this thing

Pamela (Violatrix)and it's a very very slick. I've never seen it before, but damn, I want to steal that move. I'm literally engaging with your argument. >> Okay. But you do this thing where let's stick back to the topic. Are were there

Pamela (Violatrix)times in history, Brian? Were there times in history where obese women, chubby women, zapic women were the the it >> the beauty standard? So I don't think we

Brian Atlashave like really good records among like for example I so we can point to like aristocracy royalty and that yeah it could be like a better political match for you to go with this princess and

Brian Atlasshe's fat as [ __ ] but she's like going to confer benefits to your family and survival. So that's 100% different than like I don't know what the peasantry was

Brian Atlasdoing, but I think on a base biological level, obesity is not like inherently something that's deemed physically attractive. >> At times it was Brian because >> Yeah. You're looking to the outlier. >> No. And because of famine there, but

Brian Atlasthat doesn't engage with my conversation. Yeah. If you're a [ __ ] If you're Okay, hold on. First off, if you're a starving peasant, you're not going to, whether you're a man or a woman, you're probably not going to be able to pair off in a marriage with a

Brian Atlassuper wealthy per like a super wealthy prince or princess. >> Can the average guy looking at a Kardashian pair off with a Kardashian? No. >> You're the one citing to You're the one citing to hysterosity and like princes

Brian Atlasand princesses in the 1500s. What I'm talking about is you're saying, "Oh, well, it it implies that they have wealth." Okay. The peasantry class didn't have access to wealth, period.

Shantel (WNBA)>> Your initial question is problematic because you said, "Why can't averagel looking people ever say they're average?" So, in your point of view, >> Yes. This is a very a Yeah, this is an

Shantel (WNBA)average. >> So, in in your point of view, that's in your opinion >> that this panel is average. That's your opinion. So, according to you, We should have all rated ourselves five.

Brian Atlas>> Thank you. >> No, not all of you five, but I'm saying generally speaking, maybe one of you is one or two points above. >> Okay, but we can't pick seven. So, >> it's actually a great point. >> You know, like, and I think I think this

Brian Atlasis here's how I look at >> No, no, no. Let me ask you a question. Yeah. >> Which of the women here do you think is above average? All of them. >> Not fair. I'm not doing that. Don't do it. I'm not I'm not doing that. Here's here's my philosophy. Here's my philosophy. >> No. No. No. Hold on. Hold on. Stop.

Shantel (WNBA)Stop. Stop. Do you think all the women here are above average? I'm not answering that. >> Well, because again, no, I'm not I'm not refusing to

Shantel (WNBA)engage. I'm saying that just because when I said your question was problematic, my opinion doesn't matter. >> As long as I'm sure she is attend to her

Shantel (WNBA)husband and that's all that matters. She is a 10 to her fiance. That's all that matters. My teammate used to say, "I may not be a 10, but I clean up well." And

Shantel (WNBA)that is how I look at it. You might not call me a 10 on your personal pretty scale, and I'm okay with that, cuz I ain't trying to do nothing with you on that level. >> But if you give us the Brian prototype for 10, we will all measure ourselves against the perfect Brian prototype for

Shantel (WNBA)10, >> right? And and and I'm trying and judging. And you know what? These these girls that you have sitting behind you, they're beautiful. Give us your probably closer to the average 10 than I am,

Shantel (WNBA)which is why they're sitting behind you. And that's okay. >> That's okay. >> What's your average? >> Beautiful. They're both beautiful. I'm not going to fight that. I don't need to be a 10 on your personal pretty. >> I could give you a couple women who are

Brian Atlas>> Please do please give us >> Yeah. So, I would say like uh you know Megan Fox and when she was younger, like 28 when she was 20, whatever. >> Everybody let him speak. Let him speak a second

Brian Atlas>> maybe like young Anna de Armas or whatever. A lot of people say she's very beautiful. Uh so these are you know perhaps women who a lot of people would consider a 10. >> So yeah sure maybe Adriana Lima when she was young

Brian Atlas>> beautiful. Gorgeous. >> Yeah. >> But I want to kind of dig in on the one woman who called herself a 10. You said you're a 10. Uh do can you tell me another woman who you think is a 10?

SPEAKER_12>> Um yeah totally. Uh, Pam, >> everybody, everybody calm down. Everybody Oh, Brian, >> I'm sorry. I don't know. I understand. I understand what you're about to say to me. Um, I

Lola (DT44)>> What am I about to say? >> I am not I if I'm if we're trying to claim we're talking objectively and [ __ ] I don't think that's possible, but I do genuinely believe that she is the

Lola (DT44)most beautiful she's capable of being. I think that I I do genuinely believe she's beautiful. This is not to be kind, right? I am not looking at her and thinking like, "Oh, I need to make her think she's pretty." That's not what's happening in my head.

Lola (DT44)>> Call the Discord please the looks resources tab. >> Uh my opinion here is first of all, you did not ask us what we think the majority of people would rate us. If you asked me that, I would answer something different. I think it ought to be the same thing.

Brian Atlas>> No, I I view myself differently. >> Very different question. Everybody's view is different. >> Okay. Regardless, >> what is um I guess if that's if that's true then uh what is uh

Brian Atlas>> I am so sad. >> How does this manifest itself in entitlement? >> How does it manifest? That's a good question. >> I would like to question though.

Brian Atlas>> That is a good question. >> That's that's the crux of it. So if somebody believes them themselves to be something that

Brian Atlasthey just are not, then they feel perhaps entitled to a caliber of person that >> based on their looks or whatever other

Brian Atlasmetrics they have, they will never get that person. I believe being realistic and pragmatic is better than being being idealistic and delusional. Always.

Pamela (Violatrix)You're Syrian. >> Yes. My roots are Mediterranean, Sicilian, Italian, Syrian. >> I had that nose. >> I had that nose. >> I changed it.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> The beauty ideal. The standard. Okay. >> This to me is absolutely beautiful. It is all No, it's all completely sub. >> Wait, hold on. If it's beautiful, why did you get a nose job? You've just

Pamela (Violatrix)defeated your own opinion. you and I'm looking at her going at the time, >> you know, I was being made fun of this, that, and the other thing. I caved to a beauty standard. Did I make the right

Brian Atlasdecision? >> Brian, you're not a woman. You don't have any idea what we go through. But >> you don't want to hear my opinion on this. I think male beauty standards are harder to achieve than female. >> Everybody, hold on.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> I'm [ __ ] dead serious. It says it's harder for a man to achieve the male aspirational body. >> Question. Case in point, you no question. But here we have a situation. No, I'm teasing you, Brian. You're in sweats right now. >> No, I'm Look, I'll I'll give you an example. So, if we look at celebrities

Brian Atlasfor >> Can I just finish? >> No, no, no. Let me let me respond to your thing now. So, okay. If we look at celebrities and we look at uh you know, movie stars, actors, actresses, we look at them, you look at superhero movies,

Brian Atlassuperhero movies typically cast the top tier celebrities that we have. And we know that when it comes to Hollywood, when it comes to movies, looks are so

Brian Atlasimportant. If we look though in terms of achievability between male superheroes versus female superheroes, >> uh it's way harder to achieve the male

Brian Atlasaspirational body type than it is to achieve the female aspirational body type. says depicted super who said >> okay you look at like female superhero Scarlett Johansson or whatever you just

Brian Atlasneed to like diet and maybe do some Pilates classes if you want to if you want to have what's Chris Hemsworth is that the guy who plays Thor you literally need to do steroids you want to be a Wolverine he does steroids they

Brian Atlasall do steroids >> this is so subjective to your genetics I mean >> no it's literally true these guys and also they treat the gym like a full-time job and it takes years and years to

Brian Atlasachieve that kind of physique as a man. Literally, 18-year-old women have better like naturally without [ __ ] doing [ __ ] all have better bodies than like female depictions and uh female aspirational body type. >> This is so apples to oranges. Like I

Pamela (Violatrix)hear you. >> It's literally true. >> It's it's absolut the the amount of women that have that ideal genetic type like >> more women have that body type than men do. >> I also would love to real quick. I don't

Lola (DT44)think that superheroes are the best example. Superheroes are not made to be the most attractive they're capable of being. I think that a good majority of women don't want super buff men. This is like something that we Yeah, this is like a huge thing. Women don't want super buff men. The reason that we're seeing

Lola (DT44)>> size down there, >> the reason that we're seeing this in superhero movies >> is because male superheroes, their idea is to be this like, you know, inspirational thing for young boys. They're like this cool character that does good, cool things, right? And then

Lola (DT44)women are kind of put on the screen to be like sexy, you know? Um, they serve different purposes in film because of misogyny, but it is not because >> Well, now we're talking about two different things. We're talking about >> Yes, we are, but I'm trying to explain

Brian Atlasto you why that difference. Hold on. But we're talking about the male gays versus the female gays. So, like, would you agree that women do certain things with their look with their looks that appeals to the female gays versus the male gays?

Brian AtlasLike, for example, >> hold on. Bal, I don't know how to pronounce it. >> Buckle buckle fat removal. >> Bal fat removal. Whatever the [ __ ] it's called. Women do that [ __ ] for other women. Men don't like that [ __ ] lip.

Pamela (Violatrix)That's [ __ ] terrible. >> It's it's any of the fat in in the face. >> Lip filler. Men don't like that. There's a lot of things women do that men don't hold on. So any of the fat in here,

Pamela (Violatrix)women have it removed so that they can look chiseled. We're all going to get there eventually, but they're removing the buckle fat and now they look super chiseled. Uh who's the um Hadid girl? >> Gigi Hadid.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> They all No, the other one. They all want to look like Bella, but the thing they don't realize is between your 20s and your 30s, the buckle fat dissipates. Like she has beautiful contour, like a

Pamela (Violatrix)beautiful face as she How old are you? >> Thank you. 20. I'll be 29. Oh, >> both of you. Both of you. 29. And how old are you? >> 19. >> So, in the next 10 years, you guys will see that the face will thin out and the

Pamela (Violatrix)buckle fat will be gone. >> But I don't disagree with what you're saying, Brian, but we're we're comparing apples and oranges. I mean, men and women superheroes. >> Angry feminist donated $200.

SPEAKER_00I hate the rating question because it shows how narcissistic and dulu women are. Stop making us look insane. You all fall for it because you are stubborn and need to be right and you make us look

Brian Atlasstupid. >> Look, you you used to do real >> guys. Stop. Stop. [ __ ] If you're just [ __ ] saying some [ __ ] paddle to each other, stop. Unless you're making

Brian Atlassome like palpable contribution or substantive conversation, stop with the [ __ ] bickering with each other like I warned you multiple times. Godamn. >> Not a day. >> You used to do real estate, right? >> I've had a real estate license, but my

Brian Atlasfather owned a lot of real estate. My husband and I own a real estate portfolio. >> You would agree that the market dictates the cost of a house? >> 100%. >> Right. So, for example, like let's say something like the market would say,

Brian Atlaswell, this house, and you might agree that the market would say it's between the range of 400,000 and 600,000, correct? >> Maybe maybe that's a bit wide. I was going to say that. Yeah, close the gap. >> Maybe it's like uh 450 to 550, something

Brian Atlaslike that. I don't know. Maybe that's still too much of a wide gap, right? What if the owner of the house though says, "You know what? I don't give a [ __ ] what the outside world is telling me. This house is worth $3 million, and

Brian AtlasI'm not going to settle. I'm not going to settle for anything less than $3 million. Is that house ever going to get sold? >> Yes. Because when the right person comes

Pamela (Violatrix)along, it will it will sell or it won't. But the day you buy a home, you put a for sale sign in the window. And eventually, if someone wants it, real

Pamela (Violatrix)estate, a home is an emotional real estate is an emotional purchase to a woman. >> Real estate. What? So, just to be clear, have you represented a client? And >> I'm sorry, let's talk triple net leases.

Pamela (Violatrix)My father own the Fudruckers across from Hershey, the Hershey Medical Center. Let's talk triple net leases. >> Commercial properties. Great. >> You're saying I used to do real estate. What do you What do you want to know? >> Sure. Okay. You want to talk commercial real estate cuz you said tripleN? Okay, cool. >> Triple net. Do you know what a triple

Pamela (Violatrix)net lease is? >> NN triple N. Triple net. Yeah, same thing. >> No, triple net. It's >> Yeah, tripleN triple net. Same thing. >> What is it, Brian? >> It's commercial leases. Commercial. What what does a triple net lease specifically denote?

Pamela (Violatrix)>> There's three there's three nets to a triple net. >> It's the tenant pays >> the rent, >> utilities, >> the taxes, and the improvements. That's a triple net lease. Brian, I did my

Brian Atlasfather's 40-year triple net lease on record. So, if I have an office space and I say and the market value for that office space is like $3,000 a month to rent the commercial space or whatever, but like here I am some [ __ ] landlord

Brian Atlasand I'm like, you know what I this is the [ __ ] and it's actually in the slum or some [ __ ] This is one day that you know, oh my god, this this property here uh you know what I'm going to rent

Brian Atlasthis out for uh for for $50,000 a month. But the market would say no, it's worth 3,000. Is it ever going to get leased? You can only do what the water level will bear, what the market will bear.

Pamela (Violatrix)You can only do what the water level will seek for the property, for the estate, for whatever it is. So, there's a certain amount of emotional. Is it commercial? Is it your home? Women will

Pamela (Violatrix)buy they'll pay more because women base real estate decisions on emotion. Brian, you don't like I think you're pandering to your male audience here to bury us. >> Anybody? I'm not pairing to So,

Brian Atlas>> so I really would love to hold on. I'll explain like this. So, I agree that you can like price your property a little bit above market value and you might get a buyer. You might get a buyer, right?

Brian AtlasIt's still going to be hard. Sometimes these people come out, they really like the property, maybe there's something special, whatever. But like if the elevation to which you're asking for a property that would otherwise cost 1

Brian Atlasmillion, the market value is 1 million and you price it at 5 million, you did real estate, you must agree with me that if you've priced >> I can't because I have a perfect story to this. >> If you've priced a property at 1 million, you're not going to get 5

Pamela (Violatrix)million for it. >> I have a perfect story to this. You don't want to give me an exception. Give me your exception to the >> My father was dying a couple years ago. He's in the Hershey Medical Center. I fly home. I look at his I look at his portfolio and I said, "Dad, you're going

Pamela (Violatrix)to put a Waw Wa in the Fudruckers, but you gave them three years of free rent to do a triple net." I said, "How the [ __ ] are you supposed to live for the next three years?" So I said, "This is a terrible deal." His partner, his Italian

Pamela (Violatrix)partner, he didn't speak to in 40 years. Wouldn't wouldn't sign off. I said, "I don't blame Mr. Catalan for not signing this. My father had two tubes in his kidneys, one in his penis catheter. The [ __ ] does this have to do?"

Pamela (Violatrix)>> And he tried to strangle me. Hang on. He tried to strangle me for saying this. The bottom line was I was absolutely right. And when I said to him, "What you need to do is I got his partner to agree

Pamela (Violatrix)to sell his share." And I said, "You got to tell everyone that you're dying and you're going to take the highest bidder." My father was able to go out and market the Fudruckers and smoked property by

Pamela (Violatrix)saying, "I'll take the highest bidder on this commercial property, thereby selling it for two to three times more than it was worth because it was the opportunity to buy the gateway to Hershey at that time. So, it's

Brian Atlassubjective to the situation. >> I don't care about the exception to the rule. generally speaking is a is a property and all the houses around it are valued at a at a million and this

Brian Atlashouse is valued at a million and you put it on the market for 5 million generally speaking is that house going to sell? >> No, it's not. Sorry. Can I please chime in here? >> Why can't people I don't get why with this exception [ __ ] Look, the point

Brian AtlasI'm trying to make with this is if a woman because of her own whatever she thinks she's a 10, cool. Uh, is that going to then entitled her to thinking

Brian Atlasshe can get a caliber of guy that she ain't ever going to get commitment from? >> Yes, >> there's leagues. >> What I would like to say here, I I think that a major problem in this whole conversation that kind of negates

Lola (DT44)everything that's been spoken about. Beauty does not equate to value. Yes, people can like value that you should be attracted to your partner. Yes, absolutely. But I'm not >> You believe in pretty privilege? >> No, of course I do. You think you do you

Brian Atlasgenuinely think that >> 10 out of 10 beautiful women don't fare better when it comes to >> I do believe in prettyriv so so >> beautiful women and ugly women have just

Lola (DT44)as much options just as many options >> no I believe in pretty privilege but >> so this would seem to counter position >> so what we're referencing is in relationships right I do not think that anyone is dating someone or staying in a

Brian Atlaslong-term relationship purely based off of physical attraction that doesn't work. That's not functional. >> This is a female projection, I think, a little bit. >> Is it now? Well, >> well, I think I think so. Men the men

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