Charlie Kirk Debate: Charlie Compared To ADOLF H?! ALL Girls RAGE QUIT?! (FERAL) | Dating Talk #260

Date: 2025-09-15

Duration: 7h 37m

Guests

Brian Atlas

PPamela (Violatrix)>

SShantel (WNBA)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Pamela (Violatrix)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Olive(guest)

SPEAKER_04Javon(guest)

SPEAKER_05Ally (Snow)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Shantel (WNBA)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Harper(guest)

SPEAKER_11Lola (DT44)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Kiana(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian opens with Charlie Kirk tribute

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves. Shantel: 6'6", WNBA 2003-2009, abstinent 12 years.

Key MomentPamela reveals mafia-connected father deported her daughter's biological father

ControversyLola invokes Hitler comparison to ask about threshold of justified rejoicing at Kirk's death

Key Moment'What is a woman?' debate. Shantel provides WNBA perspective on trans athletes.

ControversyShantel says Kirk's DEI 'brain capacity' comments were racist

Key MomentBrian admits he is agnostic despite ~80% Christian audience — refuses to grift religious identity

ControversyBeauty standards debate. Brian reveals he only dates Black women.

OtherShantel rage-quits after viciously targeted viewer roast message

Topics Discussed

Charlie Kirk Tribute

Brian opens with Kirk tribute.

Guest Introductions

All 8 guests introduced. Shantel reveals 6'6", WNBA career.

Charlie Kirk Reactions

Lola invokes Hitler comparison. Shantel says Kirk DEI comments were racist.

What Is a Woman / Trans Sports

Lola: anyone who identifies. Others: adult human female. Trans sports debate with WNBA perspective.

Brian Rant About No-Show Guest

Angry rant about guest who cancelled citing safety concerns.

Colorism and Beauty Standards

Heated debate. Brian reveals he only dates Black women.

AI Photos and Roast Session

AI aging/gender swap. Shantel rage-quits after viewer roast. Pamela leaves for mammogram.

Transcript

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Brian AtlasFinishing up with you. Uh, so, but you weren't always abstinent. >> No. Okay. >> No, definitely not. >> All right. Uh, you have had a relationship before, I'm assuming, like

Shantel (WNBA)>> Yeah, my longest relationship before that was um on and off probably about three years. >> Three years. Gotcha. >> Okay. All right. All right. What about you? >> I'm single.

Harper>> All right. All right. How long you been single? >> 18 months. >> All right. >> March 11th, 2024. >> Longest. Longest relationship. >> 7 years. >> All right. Ever married? >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Just once? >> No. Twice. >> Twice. Okay. Any kids? >> Yes. Two. >> Two kids from the same father? >> Mm-m. >> Okay. So, two kids, separate fathers.

Brian AtlasUh, the two marriages, let's do a bit of a timeline here. How old were you when you first got married? Um 18. >> Okay. How long were you married for? >> Till I was 19.

Brian Atlas>> So about a year you were married. >> Okay. Did you have a kid with him? >> Mhm. >> Okay. One kid. >> Uh who initiated the divorce? >> Well, he did cuz I left.

Harper>> Well, okay. But you you wanted to break up the relationship. Is that correct? >> Well, I left under weird circumstances. I didn't mean for things to happen when

Harperyou're a young child and I was raising a baby and didn't know, you know, other substances came into my life and I left with the substances, you know, and so I

Harper>> Sorry, substances. >> Substances. Yes. Like drugs. >> Drugs. >> Oh, okay. >> Meth. What were you? >> No, thanks. Um, I think it was cocaine came around.

Harper>> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. >> So, that happened and um so I left and relinquished him and though I have to

Harpersay I've got clean uh when he was three. So I've been clean for most of his life. >> Gotcha. Good for you. Congratulations on that. >> Thank you. >> You were married a second time.

Brian Atlas>> At what age were you married? >> 24. That was shortlived as well. >> How long? >> Not even a year. Okay. Do you have a kid from him too or No,

Brian Atlas>> that's the kid is from a different relationship. >> Got it. Okay. And did you end that marriage? >> Yes. >> Okay. You initiated the divorce?

Harper>> Yes. >> Okay. What was the reason? >> He was too old for me at the time. >> Uh, how old were you and how old was he?

Harper>> 24. He was in his 50s at the time. I couldn't and didn't want to deal with an older man. So,

Harper>> did he lie about his age or something? >> No, I just did it and then realized I was like, I don't want to do this anymore. >> But >> I was going to college with really hot

Harperguys all around me my age. Oh my god. And was like, I'm married to this old man. Oh no, I can't do this. This is wrong idea. Sorry. My bad. And I left.

Harper>> So you divorced him because of his age, which you were aware of for the entire duration of the relationship. >> Sounds about right.

Harper>> Your reactions are everything. Just like, wait. >> Yeah. I don't know. Do you ever realize you made a mistake? H I've definitely >> Jeez, let me change my mind. I don't know if that ever happens to Brian.

Harper>> Look, I I Oh, sure. I've made mistakes or uh but >> I didn't realize that marriage is a very serious thing. I did not understand

Harperthat. I had no idea. I go about life. >> This is your second marriage though. >> Do what? >> It It was your second marriage. >> Yeah. That doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean I learned anything in that short amount of time. They were very

Harperclose together. >> I guess that's true. Yeah. Um, did he pay you alimony? >> No. >> Okay. Uh, >> and every woman for years always asked me why why didn't you get them for everything?

Brian Atlas>> You guys Well, you guys were together for a very short period of time. Even if there was >> Doesn't matter. I had nothing. >> Well, but typically my it it's very jurisdictional dependent. It depends on, you know, what state you're in.

Brian AtlasObviously, there's different laws depending on what state, but >> it was in Texas. >> Typically, you know, alimony will be awarded proportion proportionate to how long the marriage was.

Harper>> So, for example, if you're married for 3 months, the judge typically is not going to award a woman 10 years of alimony. >> Yes. But if I came in with nothing and he bought me a house and a car and a this and a that and I said, you know,

HarperI'm sorry. My bad. Here, just keep everything. No, I could have fought for some stuff. Whether it was we were married for less than a year. I could have fought for things. Not money, not

Harperalimony for the rest of my life. I'm not confused about that. But uh >> Well, did he buy you a house? >> Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> So, the house was in your name or >> Yes. >> Okay. I mean, you then it's possible you could have had some legal claim to it, but from what you're saying, it sounds like you didn't actually pursue.

Brian Atlas>> I did nothing. That's right. >> Okay. Well, I mean, >> I my name was on the deed and everything. >> Okay. Well, I mean, that's honorable, I guess. You know, let off

Harperthe hook. >> Um Okay. You said he he bought you a car, too. Did you keep the car? Um, yeah, cuz I came into the car with a

Brian Atlasreally piece of [ __ ] car, so I got a nicer car and I got to keep that. Yeah. >> I see. Okay. Uh, all right. So, I mean, you got some

Brian Atlasbenefits, it sounds like. Um, All right. And, uh, what about the You're single now. You have two kids. Were you paid child support by either of the two

Brian Atlasfathers? >> Uh, yes. Yes, I was paid child support by the second dad. >> Not the first though? >> No. >> Okay. The second. Is he still paying child support or?

Harper>> No. >> Okay. So, your your kid is over 18. >> No, I lost her to his custody at the pandemic. >> Oh. Um, >> yeah. Some >> What about your other child? Well, your other child's

Brian Atlas>> He's grown. He's grown. He's an adult. >> Okay. But your How old is your youngest? >> Uh, she's a teenager. She's almost 18. >> Almost 18. Are you paying him child support? >> No.

Harper>> He has full custody. >> Mhm. >> You previously had full custody? >> Yes. I make arrangements. We make arrangements. Hey, this isn't things

Brian Atlashappened. >> But what was you said were you fighting over the custody arrangement in court? >> No, we didn't. >> Okay. It was it was a voluntary exchange of custody.

Harper>> Yes. >> I see. Okay. >> Due to the pandemic and my living situation changed. >> You >> and I could no longer keep her with me. And I had no choice. And he also called

Harpermy bluff when he said, "Oh, I'll just come get her and you know, whatever, whatever." So I said, "Sure, you can take her to do all this stuff, doctors, this, that, and the other." And he called my bluff and picked her up. I was

Harperpretty pissed off. Pretty pissed off. M >> okay. Relationship status? >> I'm single. >> How long you been single?

Brian Atlas>> Um probably since Oh, no. Since like June of 2020. >> So about 5 years then. Longest relationship.

Brian Atlas>> Probably two years. But it was a high school relationship. >> Okay. Uh All right.

Brian AtlasAnd are you also abstinent? Yes, I have been since 2018. >> Because you're you're a Christian, right? And uh Okay. All right. Cool. That's everybody's relationship status.

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Brian AtlasThank you guys. We have Chef Dill Pickles. I don't believe she was in the WNBA. She's nice. And I haven't seen And I hasn't hit anyone.

Brian Atlas>> Probably she hasn't hit. >> She hasn't hit anyone yet. It's been a fair amount of time. >> Cute. >> Okay. Are are people in the WNBA like violent or something? I don't I mean

Shantel (WNBA)>> I mean that's that's definitely a stereotype, but no. Like what >> I mean on the court. The court can get physical for sure, but we're not on the

Brian Atlascourt. We're having a >> nice civilized conversation here. >> We have food for thought. Men are taught to control their emotions, not suppress them. Big difference. Women and men need

Brian Atlasto sacrifice their ambitions for family. Children first, men know this. Women see it as oppression. Do you want to respond to this? >> Sure. I I mean, I think that if you want to have children, if you want to have a family, there's always going to be

Lola (DT44)sacrifices you need to make. And I think that that is different for every individual family. A lot of families will work better with the man in the home and the woman out at work. I'm not saying that no one should make a sacrifice. I'm just saying that these

Lola (DT44)like rigid expectations aren't beneficial for anyone. for anyone >> for anyone possibly. I mean, I think that it it you could make the argument that it's good for the children, but I

Lola (DT44)do think that that leads to children growing up in households where their parents aren't happy. It leads to divorce. If their parents feel like forced into like situations, it leads to resentment.

Brian Atlas>> Isn't everybody to some degree forced to do certain things? >> Sure. Like for example, even even removing ourselves from a conversation

Brian Atlasabout relationships, if you want to even maneuver or survive in the world, would you say because you're using this word forced, right? So nobody's really forced to do anything. People often voluntarily

Brian Atlaswill engage in these sorts of relationship dynamics, >> but you are, would you say people are forced to work in order to provide for themselves? Well, I mean, I guess the

Lola (DT44)word forced, you know, here is it's a weird definition. I if we're talking for survival, like we could say forced. I don't think the wording matters that much. We all have a good idea of what's at stake if you're not working, you

Lola (DT44)know. Um, and I don't think that anyone is necessarily like being held at gunpoint and saying you have to follow gender rules, but I do definitely think that it's um there are expectations on

Lola (DT44)it. There are pressures on it. Um there's just a lot that tries to push people into those positions.

Brian Atlas>> So I guess when we're talking about uh I don't know forced is interesting to me cuz we're we're well beyond the age of

Brian Atlasarranged marriages and women can work. Women have choice, right? Although you have taken away the choice or it's not so much the choice but the ability for

Brian Atlaswomen who don't want to work and who do want a traditional dynamic. You've stripped that away from most women who do want that. >> Have I? >> Well, not you specifically. >> Have we?

Lola (DT44)>> Society has. Yes. >> You don't think that a woman who wants a traditional type of dynamic in her relationship and in her family, you think that she's incapable of finding a man who also wants that?

Brian AtlasWell, I think the issue is is when there's changes, just massive upheaval and changes to society that make it impossible, for example, to raise a family on one income.

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. that while there are men who are still high earners and who are still traditional, who are fine, fully taking care of a woman, uh it cuts out a large proportion

Brian Atlasof men who would like to have that dynamic, but simply due to the economic reality that it's just most people, even if you have traditional inclinations,

Brian Atlasyou're not going to be able to facilitate that sort of dynamic because most people aren't going to be able to enter that high income earning bracket because well there's a whole bunch of

Brian Atlasreasons. Economics are incredibly complex but I would put it really simply as follows. >> So and just to be clear, women were participating in the workforce for all

Brian Atlasof human history. Uh and women weren't barred from working. Women could work. This is like a feminist myth and

Brian Atlasinvention. But when we put out propaganda that says, "Oh, bad to be stay-at-home mom, you you are oppressed. If you are staying at home, looking

Brian Atlasafter the family, taking care of the kids, you're oppressed. You should you should aim to have career and financial and success ambition as a woman and put children and family on the back burner.

Brian AtlasThat should be second, third, fourth, fifth priority for you as a woman. If you essentially, not quite overnight, but in a very very quick period of time, you double the

Brian Atlaslabor pool. Corporations love this. Corpor rich people love this. You drive down the well, first off, you

Brian Atlashave a surplus of labor and then you drive down wages. Now, again, I just want to be clear. I think women should obviously have the choice to work. If you're a woman and you want to work,

Brian Atlaswhatever it is, you should absolutely have that choice. But corresponding with that, I think it we we can't ignore the fact that when you have massive societal change and you double essentially double

Brian Atlasthe labor pool, that's going to drive wages down. Like if we just doubled the like I don't know if we just had uh I don't know we we uh

Brian Atlaslet's say we cloned everybody like would there be enough corresponding jobs to give everybody a job? Wages would be driven down. >> Now the economic reality is it takes two

Brian Atlasincomes to support a family. >> Sure. I have a >> So now women who might have otherwise been inclined towards wanting to be stay-at-home

Brian Atlas>> h you've taken the choice away from them a little bit. Now they women who don't want to work are forced to work whereas they could have engaged in a more traditional dynamic but the pool of men

Brian Atlaslike historically there was a much larger percentage or pool of men who could support a family on just their income. Now that I don't know what the percentage is maybe it used to be 50 60%

Brian Atlasof men could do it maybe more 70 80% maybe 5% of men 10% of men can provide for a family so you have taken away

Shantel (WNBA)a cohort of women's choice and ability to enter that sort of relationship dynamic >> and I I also think like socially

Shantel (WNBA)um there is looked at it is looked at as a weaker choice or a a less ambitious choice. And I am extremely an ambitious

Shantel (WNBA)woman, but um if you just look at the narrative that is spread, you are a quote unquote less ambitious woman if that is your ambition. And I

Shantel (WNBA)know because I've I used to feel like that. I don't necessarily anymore. That hasn't been my choice, but I do see the narrative. Mhm. >> I do have a couple things to say on both

Lola (DT44)of that. I think um on your point, I completely understand where you're coming from. I do think that this like idea that women are pushing against stay-at-home moms. Sure, there are there is obviously there's always going to be

Lola (DT44)extremists, right? Um I don't think that's the primary argument. I can tell you right now that's not my argument. I do think that like the push back on this idea that women have to stay at home. It

Lola (DT44)has like it is capable of going a little too far where then it gets looked down upon. But I think that for me, I can speak for myself. I can speak for the majority of people I know, the majority

Lola (DT44)of opinions I've heard. No one uh that or at least for me, I don't at all think that being a stay-at-home mom is a less

Lola (DT44)in any way like impressive ambition. I think that that is just as admirable as anything else. I think the only thing that I would constitute as admirable here is doing what you want to do

Lola (DT44)regardless of what that is. It doesn't really matter. Um but on that note, I also do think that if we're saying like I I don't think that the reason men can't support their families is because

Lola (DT44)women are now working. Um I I'm sure that the you know um labor pool growing it plays a role but so many things play a role and I I don't think that it is fair to say oh if you start working then

Lola (DT44)you know other women might have to start working too therefore we shouldn't encourage you to work. I think people should be following their ambitions. if it leads to things like you know what we are seeing now where families can't

Lola (DT44)support themselves that is representative of a much larger problem and the solution is not to tell people not to work and not to follow their ambitions but I also would like to ask

Lola (DT44)if in your opinion women have not been barred uh from working in the past why would the labor pool be doubling if they were completely free to work before >> what do you mean

Lola (DT44)>> well I mean I women obviously haven't been in the workplace historically. Um, and >> you'd think there's a total bar on women participating >> in the workplace. Like this idea that no

Brian Atlaswomen were able to work there. There was no like really any laws preventing women from working. >> Women didn't have access to education until very recently. >> What define recently? >> Uh, you know, I can't give you an exact

Lola (DT44)year, but I I would I believe somewhere in the 1900s. I want to say like mid to late 1900s. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Most most people historically never went to college.

Lola (DT44)>> Yeah. I think that like classism is a huge issue. The fact that poor people don't have access, right? I'm not saying that that's like not another factor. But I I sorry. Yes. >> Well, I mean I just point out that my

Brian Atlasposition as it relates to the doubling of the workpool, obviously the economy, these sorts of things, incredibly complex things. I'm not pointing to uh

Brian Atlaswomen's greater representation in labor as or in the workplace as the sole reason why there's you know issues with you know wage stagnation and pushing

Brian Atlaswages down. I mean I would say that's one of the major precipitating factors though but obviously there's other you know there's a bunch of other things at play various social changes there's um

Brian Atlasyou know there there's globalization these sorts of things uh there's a immigration there's a whole bunch of reasons uh as it relates to uh the sort

Brian Atlasof current economic situation we find ourselves in but that's certainly one of the I guess primary originators of the decline of I I suppose men's ability to

Brian Atlasengage in traditional relationship dynamics where they can provide for the entire household on just their income. So just wanted to clarify there. I'm not placing all the blame on sort of the

Brian Atlasliberalization of women entering the workplace, but I mean that is a sort of unexpected consequence of, you know, opening the floodgates, so to speak, to

Lola (DT44)just basically doubling the labor pool by saying, "Okay, women, go ahead, be a boss babe." >> Yeah. And I can completely understand that. But I do definitely think that saying the solution is to not encourage women to work, that's the equivalent of

Brian Atlassaying we should tell men not to work. Well, again, I don't have an issue with it, but there's there's been a sort of a reversal where

Brian Atlasthere's counter narratives and counter messaging against women who do do want to pursue a more traditional dynamic.

Brian AtlasSo, it's like, no, you have to go to college and you have to have a career. wait until your 30s, wait until your mid30s, your late 20s before you get

Brian Atlasmarried and settle down. Uh this is kind of is going to be pretty disastrous, I think. Um and I don't think it's a great way to uh set up society. >> Yeah, we can acknowledge that there are

Brian Atlasextremists all around. >> I don't think it but hold on. I don't think it's the extremist like feminist position that women should uh like it's

Brian Atlasthe mainstream feminist position of go to college, focus on your career, then focus on family and children later.

Brian AtlasAnd then also ship your kids off to daycare, put them in the hands of total strangers who might abuse your kids or is not going to give them the same

Brian Atlasattention that a you know a mother would and you know give it to some minimum wage worker. They make $20 an hour or whatever it is. And that the whole child care thing does

Brian Atlasmake sense to me. Okay, so let's say you're both of you have an income. [ __ ] child care is insanely expensive. Maybe the all of the this isn't the case all the time, but you're

Brian Atlasgonna have a woman work and then 75% of her earnings are going to go to child care. That's to me that's just really stupid. >> Sure. But I I mean again I do think that

Lola (DT44)the reason that's the mainstream position is because like radical opinions get pushed out. That's like what social media does. You know, people react, people engage with it. that's a radical position >> that women have to go to work, that

Lola (DT44)women can't stay at home, you know, like I I do definitely think that there is a positive side to the encouragement purely because it is kind of ingrained in us that women shouldn't be going to work. So when you like do push for the

Lola (DT44)other end of that, obviously not to an extreme point because again I think it's very important everyone is doing what's true to them, but I do think that it is necessary to really make an emphasis on the fact that you should do whatever you'd like. the other option is still an

Lola (DT44)option, you know, and I think that's different than encouraging one way or another rather than to just emphasize choice. But I would like to comment on the child care thing because I am a nanny and I mean the family I work for,

Lola (DT44)I can't say much, they are wonderful parents. The fact that they need someone to watch their children. I mean they they know me very well. They screen me very well. I treat those children like they're my own, you know, and I think

Brian Atlasthat it is heartbreaking that they can't spend that time with their kids. I know that they would love to. Is it a wealthy family? >> Uh, I'm honestly not too sure on their finances. >> Well, you said nanny, right? So, obviously there's different levels of of

Brian Atlaschild care, right? So, I assume like it's just you. You go to their house, you take care of the kids. So, the mom's at away at work. >> There are two nannies. Um, we switch off days. So, we'll like pick them up from school, take them to their activities, hang out with them at home.

Brian Atlas>> But like, is the mom still at home? >> No. >> Okay. So, she goes off to work. Yes. The dad goes off to work. >> Yes. >> Okay. So that's sort of that's a bit of a higher

Brian Atlaslevel of child care than say what most people might do is like drop them off at a daycare or a a group dynamic. And I I mean I do believe that it's

Lola (DT44)heartbreaking that people have to do that. I think that it's it is quite rare that you know uh they don't need the income and people are just independently choosing to not be with their children.

Lola (DT44)Um, I think that it's just as sad that the man can't spend that time at home. I think that >> on the counter over here, >> both parents should ide like if the world were perfect, right? Both parents want to spend all that time with their

Lola (DT44)kids raising them. Um, but if both parents have to be at work for their own independent reasons, then that's a result of a much bigger problem.

Brian Atlas>> Sorry guys, stuff. No worries. Um, sorry I was honestly not listening. I was no >> worries. Some >> I mean the stuff >> the summary of it

Lola (DT44)>> just repeat. >> Yeah, of course. Um, I just generally believe that it's very rare that a parent willingly doesn't want to spend that time with their kids. I think that if you have children, they should always be your first priority above your career, no matter who you are, because

Lola (DT44)that's a life in your hands. And I think that there are a lot of circumstances where both parents have to be out and have to send their kids to daycare because they don't have other choices, >> right? They don't have other choices.

Brian AtlasChoices they might have if the current social climate was more conducive to being able to support a family on one income, in this case, the husband's income, but >> or the wives. >> Thank you.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, sure, but most women are absolutely not okay with that kind of dynamic. So, I guess my question to you is ultimately though, regardless of the level of care, whether it's like you

Brian Atlassend your kid to some shoddy daycare and there's like five kids to one person. I don't know what the typical numbers are, but there's like one person who's like [ __ ] teenager watching 10 kids or

Brian Atlaswhatever it is, or there's nannies, which would indicate that this is perhaps like a bit wealthier of a family, but both parents are still working. Ultimately though, do you think

Brian Atlasthe child is going to receive better care from their mother or from the hired hand? >> Uh from one of their parents, their father or their mother. >> Okay. So, >> ideally both.

Lola (DT44)>> That would but that would be the optimum thing for society, wouldn't it? >> To have a parent at home >> instead of like a nanny. >> Um I my concern isn't with the well-being of society. We don't currently >> You don't concern yourself with the well being?

Lola (DT44)>> Of course I do, but I don't think that people having children right now is necessary for society. I don't think we're uh in like desperate need of people reproducing like obviously about that >> people are still going to I don't like the population isn't declining

Brian Atlas>> the there is >> okay yes I'm sorry population collapse >> sure >> and things are going to be especially in well even in the United States but if you look at certain like uh what is it Southeast Asian countries you look at

Brian AtlasJapan you look at Korea they're going to have massive issues because their population is collapsing uh there's going to be massive issues with like you're going to have a bunch of elder ly people who's going to be there to like look after them. There's going to be a lot of issues coming in 10, 20, 30

Lola (DT44)years. >> Sure. But I do think that in this specific circumstance, if we're talking like, oh, for the well-being of society, we need to keep people out of the workforce so that you know someone can

Lola (DT44)stay at home with the children, right? That is then just back to the argument that women shouldn't be in the workforce. Like if you want to make an argument that you think we need to like I I don't know what another example here

Lola (DT44)would be. Just something along the lines of like requiring one stay-at-home parent or something like that's a different thing than saying women specifically don't belong in the workforce. >> Well, so I don't make I'm not making any

Brian Atlasprescriptions on this. Really, >> I'm I'm uh more so looking at it descriptively. I'm just looking at what happened what's

Brian Atlashappening and I'm look I'm just describing what's happening. I'm not actually making any prescriptions as to well we should bar women that's not my position at all but it does seem again I I guess my question is to reiterate do

Brian Atlasyou think >> in terms of what's best for the children do you think children are going to receive better care from their own mother or better care from like a hired helper? >> Obviously from their mother but I I do also think that the wording here is

Brian Atlasmisleading. What about from their father? Why doesn't the father stay home? >> Sure, I would agree that the father would be more capable of providing uh

Brian Atlasthat than like a hired nanny, whether whether the nanny's a man or a woman. But then we would get into a territory of even liberal I would argue even

Brian Atlasliberal feminist women absolutely would refuse to engage in any sort of relationship dynamic where the man is solely financially dependent on the woman. >> I think that that is a persontoperson

Lola (DT44)basis. I know for a fact that if I were if I personally were capable of providing for a family like obviously I would love to spend time with my children, right? But if I had a husband who his dream was to be a stay-at-home

Lola (DT44)husband, that's not my dream. That's not my aspiration. I would be comfortable providing for someone. I personally don't want children. So, I would never have them because that's an unfair position to put children in. But say that I had a husband who had a career

Lola (DT44)that didn't make a lot of money, that had a career that took time to get to, that for whatever reason couldn't provide. If I loved this person and I knew that their intention was not to take advantage of me, I would have no

Brian Atlasproblem being the sole provider. So, just to be clear, you I I understand you don't want children. You would be totally fine, totally fine dating a guy

Brian Atlaswho So, you're paying all the rent, you're paying for groceries, not just your own, but you'd be paying more money to be paying for his food, his expenses, etc. >> Obviously, there are exceptions. It's

Lola (DT44)like I think that if it's just because, you know, he simply doesn't want to contribute. He doesn't care enough to contribute. Um, things like that, well, that's just not personally someone I want to be with because I don't think that that's a nice human being. But if

Brian Atlas>> not, well, okay. So, then that would preclude men who are even open to that kind of dynamic. That would preclude them from even you who seems very uh, you know, more liberal on these sorts of

Brian Atlasthings. So, if even a liberal person wouldn't date a man who wants to just be a stay-at-home husband, then what hope is there for any man who have this? So, so your argument is kind of irrelevant. This idea of well, I think, yeah, well,

Brian Atlaswhat about the man who wants to stay home? Okay. Even I guess my position here is >> let's say there is a man who wants to stay home. Most women are not even

Brian Atlasliberal feminist women are not going to they might go 50/50. They're not going to be okay with I'll I'll provide for the man. >> Sure. But I do need to jump in that a stay-at-home husband is very different

Lola (DT44)than what I'm talking about. A stay-at-home husband has duties. That's cooking. That's cleaning. That's if there's children, child care, that is his own thing. I'm talking about if a man simply does not want to contribute to a relationship, then I think that that is bad. The same way I think if a

Lola (DT44)woman doesn't want to contribute in any way, that is bad. I think a relationship is 50/50. And that doesn't always look like money. That can look like effort. Interesting. >> You look like you have something to say. You

Shantel (WNBA)>> wanted to win. >> Okay. Like I know a lot of liberal women. like I I am definitely have trended more conservatively um due to my

Shantel (WNBA)religious beliefs, but like um I know many many liberal females and I don't know anybody who would be okay with a

Shantel (WNBA)stay-at-home husband it or being okay with a man not contributing or taking care of her and

Shantel (WNBA)the kids her and or the kids because if they don't have kids Not one person. I don't even like and and I think if you It sounds good on paper. Like it sounds

Shantel (WNBA)like oh yeah well if if you want me to stay home then then I should be able to work but if you wanted to stay home that'd be fine too. Like it it sounds great. Like what you do whatever you

Shantel (WNBA)want to do. But if you talk to women, like most women are not gonna be okay

Shantel (WNBA)supporting a man who is fine staying at home and and cleaning the house and and cooking her meals. Like I don't know. Maybe I just don't know them. Maybe I

Lola (DT44)just don't know them. I don't know. And and haven't met them on a regular basis. >> Sure. I mean, >> you know, I surely can't speak for every woman. I'm not trying to. I know I personally can very confidently say that

Lola (DT44)doesn't bother me. I don't think that money plays a role in a relationship. I think that if you >> money is the number one reason for divorce. >> Yeah. And I think >> like literally so money 100%

Pamela (Violatrix)>> I think it shouldn't. Sorry. >> Plays a role in >> relationships, marriages. It's the number one. >> Money, sex, children. Those are the three breakers. Money, sex, child. >> Yep. Yep. and and money is is most

Lola (DT44)likely number one. >> I just personally I mean like I I can understand that everyone is different. I can't speak for anyone but myself. For me, I do not care if a man is making money. I care that he is putting in

Lola (DT44)effort. If it comes to a situation where I'm not financially capable of supporting him, then I won't. He is responsible for supporting himself at the end of the day. But if I love someone and they are supporting me in other ways that aren't financial and I'm capable of that, then I would love to.

Kianayou know, if we're both putting in what we're capable of putting in. >> I do have like a I guess it's a question, some narrative that I've seen a lot lately is like women wanting to go

Kianaback to the soft life. >> And I feel like a lot of what they are describing as the soft life is the life that we're fighting against almost like

Kianathat very woman forward, you know, shotty don't need no man type. Like I feel like that's largely what we are proposing. But then you have so many

Kianawomen then I'm seeing this with my own eyes whether it's on social media or conversations or whatever that they're proposing this soft life and the soft light that they're wanting is kind of

Kianawhat they're fighting against. Um and that's really interesting to me because there are quite quite a few of those men women are like you know he needs to pay for my nails, he needs to pay for my hair. he needs to pay for this, he needs

Kianato pay for this, he needs to pay for this. But then it's like when we're trying to move towards this life that we're fighting against which is like I guess like he would say

Kianathe nuclear family or whatever or like traditions. Um it it's like a double standard almost and I don't know like what would you guys consider the soft life or does that make sense what I'm saying? Like it's kind of like a double

Pamela (Violatrix)standard. It's a huge movement and I think it really boils down to women just want the choice to be able to do either or or maybe have both. >> I think it comes out but I think there's

Pamela (Violatrix)the shortage where where can you find those men? That's what I'm seeing being the overwhelming >> you know issue. Where do you find them? And the smash and grab of Sher 7 and

Pamela (Violatrix)influencers like that promoting you know the smash and grab and take them for their money. That's wrong. Even uh Sadia psychology, right? We have Sadia coming out last week that she was like the side

Pamela (Violatrix)chick type thing. Are you guys familiar with what I'm talking about? She's been advising women and you know charging like all this money. So the bottom line is the system's broken. Something has to give. The dating apps aren't working.

Pamela (Violatrix)There's a lot of toxicity on both sides. Everybody's upset. People are saying we have to meet more in person and everything's really broken right now. Well, I think women have to decide what

Shantel (WNBA)they want because like so for so long we were like like he said, I want to be a boss babe. I want to go out and have my career and do this and do that. And now we have a generation of women who we

Shantel (WNBA)told that that was going to make you happy and that was going to make you fulfilled and it has not. And now we're like, "Okay, I want the soft life. Okay, where where are those men at now?" Now

Shantel (WNBA)you're trying to use the men that you shamed for wanting you to stay home. Now you're trying to use them for their money so that they can now give you a soft life that you said you didn't want. Like women, which one which one we do we

Lola (DT44)want? >> Sorry, I'd like to chime in if uh >> I personally I mean we can't generalize women like that. I'm sure the women who you know wanted careers are still pursuing them. Some changed, some people change. They learn different things.

Lola (DT44)They experience different things. the women who want that kind of soft life, you know, that's completely up to them. Women as a whole generally, as far as I'm aware of, just want to be able to pursue what they want to pursue. And all women want to pursue different things.

Lola (DT44)They just want all of those options open. I also do think that there is definitely a very strange thing about the concept of the soft life. I think that this idea that men have to

Lola (DT44)financially provide and men have to like pamper women is bizarre. I don't I don't think that that should be anyone's role in a relationship. If you're capable of pampering your partner and you want to, that's a show of affection. That's very

Lola (DT44)kind. But I think that the expectation that men have to be rich and men have to provide and men have to like do all this stuff. It's just as detrimental as the idea that women have to stay home. >> Unpopular opinion I can say is almost

Pamela (Violatrix)53, mother of two daughters, 20 and 14. Oh, almost 14. Um, you cannot have it all. You cannot. And there's going to be

Pamela (Violatrix)a give on one way or another. You simply cannot. You can't not have daycare. You can't have the career. Be the stay at home. It's something's gonna give. I've just I've never seen it done. And I've I've seen it done. I've not seen it done

Kianasuccessfully. >> Can't have it all. >> Got it. >> I was going to say I think it goes all the way back to what you were saying like these natural proclivities that we have as men and women. >> In my personal belief, that's how God

Kianadesigned us. And that's why they naturally fall that way. And the second that we try to fight against them and make them the opposites of what we were naturally designed, that's where the issue comes in. And I think that's what's happening here. >> Well, what she's going to say is she's an atheist and she doesn't believe in

Brian AtlasGod. >> That's true. But I mean, >> so she rejects. So give her a secular argument. >> Oh, you know me so well. >> So can can you base your argumentation

Brian Atlason this? not from a biblical perspective, but uh like a secular one for her sake. >> Uh well,

Brian Atlas>> because she she would just say, "Well, I don't adhere to your worldview. I'm not Christian. I'm I don't believe in God. I don't believe in the Bible." So, she would just outright reject your basis,

Shantel (WNBA)your foundation for >> for that. >> My work here is done. He's been radicalized. Well, that's not >> No, he he just knows your world. I don't think he agrees with it. >> On that note, I would like to say to

Lola (DT44)you, I I think that faith, like even if I personally uh am not religious, I think it's an incredible thing to have in someone's life. I think it's great for people. Um I think that, you know, again, to each their own. And if that's the way that you live your life, then

Lola (DT44)that's awesome. If it's good for you, it's good for you. Um so, you know, I'm not going to argue how you what you want to pursue, whether it's based off the Bible or based off anything else. Um I think that is totally within your right.

Shantel (WNBA)Yeah, I I mean I I agree with that in that like we're going to disagree because of different world views, but at the end of the day like God gave everyone free will and your free will is

Shantel (WNBA)to not believe in him. So like I what am who am I to get mad at that? >> Um >> yeah, but a secular argument I my worldview is so is so that I agree

Shantel (WNBA)with you, right? I agree that men and women are wired the way that they're wired because they were created to be so. But I do think that even if you ask

Shantel (WNBA)men who do not necessarily hold a Christian worldview, um do do they want a woman who respects them and treats

Shantel (WNBA)them like a man and would treat them like the head of the household if they had that option and would if they could provide for their family. Would they

Shantel (WNBA)enjoy a woman who was not weak but was willing to follow their lead? I think if you asked the majority of men that question, I think they would say yes.

Shantel (WNBA)And just from a purely worldview of what men want and what men desire in relationships. And I think we're hearing

Shantel (WNBA)this a lot. And I if you specifically ask men, they're like, "Yes, I want to be respected. I want I would like to be the head of the household now whether they are willing or capable to step up

Shantel (WNBA)and become the men that they have to do to be so you know that is a whole different thing but yeah I think if you talk to them about their desires I think a lot of men would naturally say yeah in

Kianaa perfect world >> I would desire that. you would add to that and say the same for women. If we are being honest, not saying what we

Kianawant to like, you know, >> say, you know, outwardly, but if we were being honest to our cores, I think there's not one woman who wouldn't want

Kianato be loved and cherished and honored by one man who is actually leading them and their family in a positive direction. And I have enough emotional empathy to understand that everybody comes from

Kianadifferent walks. Some people have dealt with abuse as kids. Some people dealt with divorced parents. Some people never had examples of relationships. So, there are all these different traumas and stuff that can make us

Kiana>> think a certain way. But if we're thinking to our core, even if you want to reject it because of your pain, every woman, I think, wants to be loved and

Kianacherished and chosen every single day by one person. But a lot of times, >> it's not that way. Mhm. >> That's not the example that we get. So then we come up with all these things of like I don't need no man. Like I would

Kianarather have this way. I would rather have this. And I think that's where the extremes come in. But like you said, if that makes sense. >> I completely agree too. >> We have a chat here from Chef Pickles.

Brian AtlasOops, I made a family F12. This is in response to uh you >> uh sorry, you in the corner there with the frog tattoo. >> Oops, I made a family F12. What? F12 is uh what

Brian Atlas>> I don't understand >> everything okay >> f police I don't know what that means >> was there a slip >> no no no >> oh okay I thought I miss I miser >> I'm like what >> I want to get into a couple things here

Brian Atlasuh I guess just to finish this off really quick just show hands who here considers themselves more liberal liberal politically really just you >> wow >> raise them high be proud what the [ __ ]

SPEAKER_12>> well I mean liberal is a weird term >> so honestly just naturally Would you prefer leftist? >> Yeah. >> Okay, you're a leftist. >> Okay, I'm happy now. >> Well, what how would you how would you categorize yourself? >> Uh,

Lola (DT44)>> progressive. Are you a >> We We've established I'm anti-labels as a whole. You know who I am. I'm not >> Are you a tanky? >> I don't even know what that means. >> Are you a communist? >> Are we going to argue econ now?

Lola (DT44)>> Um, >> no. Not I I I do think that economics is something that I'm just not like well verssed enough to make a strong claim on. >> I mean I'm not really much of an arguer on that front either. But are you a communist?

Lola (DT44)>> I I truly I don't think I'm educated enough to back up a point I make. So I'm not going to make one. >> Well, I'm not asking you to make a point. But are you a communist? >> Um >> if we're going off how we believe >> how we believe. >> It's okay. No one

Lola (DT44)>> I'm definitely not a capitalist. I'll tell you that. >> So you're anti- capitalist. >> Yes. >> Okay. Not just not a capitalist, you're anti- capitalist. >> Yes. >> Okay. Are you socialist? >> I'm not gonna I'm not gonna label myself there. I'm not confident enough to

Brian Atlastruly. >> That's fine. But how about this? Would you prefer living under an economic system if you had to pick between one or two? Would you prefer capitalism or would you prefer socialism? >> See, again, this isn't I I don't know

Lola (DT44)what a socialist society would look like in practice. I don't know. >> But it wouldn't be capitalism. Uh, in theory I I think socialist, but like I truly don't know. >> And then would you prefer living under a

Lola (DT44)capitalist society or a communist society? >> Oh, sorry. >> I got a gasp. Um, >> you can only pick one. >> I was going to say both. Um,

Lola (DT44)you know, I really confidently want to say communist. >> Okay. Um, >> again, not something I can back up, so don't ask me about it. >> Okay, >> girl. Well, I'm a writing and lit major. I don't know.

Brian Atlas>> Well, I mean, you seem you seem pretty well verssed on in some of these other issues. So, >> thanks. I think so, too. >> Uh, >> you're so funny. >> Thank you.

Lola (DT44)>> Under what I mean, I guess you don't have any sense of what your utopian society would look like. >> My utopian society is I alone am put on an island with all the skills I need to survive and I have my little island. >> That's it.

Lola (DT44)>> By yourself? like >> uh you know >> well it gets complicated if I start asking for friends but like I do want some friends. Um ideally I I would you know like Harry Potter magic type would be really cool. Give me a wand.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Here's what we're going to do. I'll give you one year to build up some of these survival skills and I will I will finance you living alone on a deserted

Brian Atlasisland. Yeah, >> deserted island for >> Well, there's not much to finance besides trip out there because you can't >> I I will give you a singular pocketk knife.

Lola (DT44)>> Awesome. >> From Amazon. >> Okay. Will you finance my trip back when I inevitably regret it? >> Uh well, yeah. Well, as you know, Okay, cool. Cool. Then we're good. Pick you up. Yeah. Send me off. I need to get the

Brian Atlasurge out of my system, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, um, you you do and we'll film it, too. >> I'm sorry. >> We'll film the whole thing. >> Oh, okay. Cool. >> So, yeah, the the film crew will be back

Brian Atlasthere eating, you know, Oreos and these sorts of things, but you have one Oreo. >> It'll be like naked and afraid >> and the film. >> It'll be like Survivor. Girl, put me on Survivor. >> Has like a few people has to basically

Brian Atlasignore you. But anyways, um >> uh let's see here. I did want to. Okay. So, just you and you are liberal >> or left leftaning. Anybody left leaning? >> I'm I'm

Brian Atlas>> liberal, left leaning. Okay. Just you two. The rest of you are >> MAGA Trump supporters or >> Absolutely. >> Oh, no. So, what are >> you Republican, Democrat? I'm >> lean

Pamela (Violatrix)keep on it, Nick. Keep on it. >> No, sorry. I would lean more. You're going to say moderate, but grew up very conservative, Republican. No one said MAGA. No one brought MAGA into this when it does not Republican or conservative

Brian Atlasdoes not have to. >> I mean, the current Republican president is Donald Trump. So, I mean, he's >> But but these are two very those are very >> sure I suppose you could be Republican and not be a Trump supporter. That's fine. Uh,

Ally (Snow)>> also MAGA. >> Absolutely not. I've been a registered Republican since I was 18 and I'm still rightwing. Um, but kind of like

Brian Atlaslibertarian. >> I see. Yeah. Okay. Um, I have a couple other things I want to get into, but I'm going to wait until she's back. We're going to get into Oops. Hold on. Uh, one

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Brian Atlasother fun stuff. Uh did I this one already come through? I don't know. Uh >> let's see here. I did want to ask obviously um hopefully in in good taste.

SPEAKER_12Um >> okay. >> No, I was reading the thing. >> The chat was crazy. >> What did it say? >> I kind of want to see it again. Can you

Brian Atlaslike put it back? >> No. Look, they're below the threshold. Just Okay. Um I want to ask the panel, how do you feel about what happened to Charlie Kirk?

Lola (DT44)Starting with you. actually starting with you. >> Hey. Um, okay.

Lola (DT44)I personally am never going to celebrate anyone's death ever. Um, especially the gun violence, especially to something so preventable.

Lola (DT44)I can understand where this feeling of relief is coming from, though. >> What do you mean relief? Can you explain? I I do think that there is definitely a very strong sense on the

Lola (DT44)internet of people um being relieved in their own individual ways, some tasteful, some not tasteful. Um I think that people can have their own opinions on whether or not he deserved to die.

Lola (DT44)Again, I personally don't think that any individual should ever be making a claim over whether or not someone deserves to live or not. I think that's a slippery slope. I think none of us have that kind

Lola (DT44)of jurisdiction. Um, but I I absolutely I mean I never agreed with him. I think

Lola (DT44)that he was hateful. I I think that he um caused I mean he just really did

Lola (DT44)encourage hate among people. Um and again, no one deserves to die for that. But I when it comes to people online coming off as very relieved, coming off

Lola (DT44)as like almost sadistic over it, um I think that it is, you know, this response brought on by a lot of years of resentment and rage watching this man like uh you know, say that gun violence

Lola (DT44)is warranted, say that gun violence is a necessary cost to have guns. Like he died on the hill that he stood on and that is still tragic. That is still awful. Do you want to elaborate any further or

Brian Atlasis that the bulk of it? >> Um I'll I mean I can hold before I let people jump in on this. I need to get everybody's take here. >> Oh yeah. >> Um >> um

Lola (DT44)>> Okay. So just a few clarifying things. You said he was hateful. >> Can you explain how? >> Uh yeah. I mean a lot of his debates

Lola (DT44)were not in good faith. Uh this isn't I mean this is a um quite a minor example but I mean he did definitely trap people into corners. He did make them look stupid. He used misleading wording. Um his goal online as much as

Brian Atlas>> well the question was how he was hateful. So uh to be clear I would contest your accusations that he was bad faith or he was misleading or using certain words or whatever. Um even if

Lola (DT44)that was the case though why would that be hateful? >> Well I think he also backed a lot of hateful points. I such as >> um I mean as far as I'm aware of he was

Lola (DT44)very anti- um abortion. He was very anti-gay marriage. Um he >> I'm actually not sure on his position on on the gay marriage thing, but >> yeah, we could probably >> he was he was anti-abortion. Okay.

Lola (DT44)>> The the gay marriage one I could probably use a fact check. I'm not that up to date on his uh I haven't looked into it recently. I would imagine he's I don't he so I >> my understanding of his position he

Brian Atlas>> he doesn't have any issue with gay people but given that he's a Christian I suspect he would have some objections to gay marriage. So we'll gohead >> I I have absolutely I I know for a fact that I have seen clips of him saying

Brian Atlasthat it's like uh whether unnatural or wrong or whatever. I don't know if he backed it being illegal. >> Okay. That's that's fairly minor in terms of well some I'm sure you object to some of his other positions more.

Lola (DT44)What are the other hateful things? >> Um honestly my main one is uh the abortion. I I guess >> any anything else? Was there racism, sexism, anything? >> Again, I'm not that up to date on his take. I wouldn't like >> the abortion component was the

Lola (DT44)>> Yeah, I wouldn't like to make any false claims even if I believe that might be true. I don't I can't. So you understand why these people might be rejoicing or happy

Brian Atlasbecause well his other takes but one such take that might justify these people people's reactions is his anti-abortion position.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. M well then you correspondingly then you must be okay also with people who have and this is this is something that has happened in the past when for

Brian Atlasexample abortion clinics have been targeted in a violent way. You would you disavow the violence but you would understand why somebody would target an abortion clinic.

Brian Atlas>> Uh what do you mean? Well, you're you're sort of doing this justification for uh the assassination of Charlie Kirk. >> I do not just violence in any capacity.

Brian Atlas>> Well, you're kind of round about saying, well, he didn't deserve to die, but you can understand why other people are happy about it. So then you would have no issue with when abortion clinics have

Brian Atlasbeen targeted by anti-abortionists. you would then you you would be okay if somebody was uh okay with somebody targeting

Lola (DT44)>> Well, I would like to to first off reiterate I'm not making any claim on whether or not he deserved it either way. I don't think I have any right to I don't that is none of my business. >> Right. But you're you're playing cover for the people who are while they

Brian Atlasthemselves didn't engage in these specific act of violence. You were saying, "Well, I kind of get why these people are enjoying or rejoicing in his death."

Lola (DT44)>> Sure. Do I personally think that it is right to rejoice in it? No. Do I understand that people are not always the most rational when they're emotional? Yes. This is a man who

Lola (DT44)intentionally evoked reaction for clips, for views. He was definitely I mean like the way that he debated was to get clips, you know. Um and it worked. it. People had very strong opinions on him

Brian Atlasand >> yeah, that wouldn't justify murder, but >> I do not I'm not I'm antiviolence in all capacities. >> I guess my confusion is especially and I I understand your position and I I

Brian Atlasunderstand that you're not you don't think he deserved to be assassinated. My issue though is you are playing cover for the people who are rejoicing in his

Brian Atlasassassination saying you to some degree understand why they would act that way. I don't and you know look I understand that people have differences of

Brian Atlaspolitical opinion and that you might strongly dislike somebody you might despise them. You might even hate them. But to me, it would never like I I

Brian Atlasdon't know why there needs to be a butt. Well, I don't know why even people on the left side there needs to be a butt. Well, he should he didn't deserve to die, but he was bad in all these ways.

Brian AtlasWhy can't we just leave it at what happened was wrong, he didn't deserve to die. And then look, I I'm fine with people having objections to his positions and worldviews. You're fair to

Brian Atlasit's fair to criticize those things, but when we're having a conversation about his assassination and it's followed by a butt, it seems like it's getting a bit

Brian Atlasinto the territory of creating a sort of smuggled in justification even if not for the assassination

Brian Atlasitself. the sort of clearly and I there's no other word I it's clearly I I I would categorize it as evil to even if

Brian Atlasyou completely disagree with someone entirely to rejoice in somebody's death and some of the things I've seen online maybe you've seen them are disgusting

Lola (DT44)completely disgusting >> sure so um I'm going to jump to a very extreme example here >> um and I I do want to make it clear beforehand and this will make sense once

Lola (DT44)I pose my question. I am not in any way comparing Charlie Kirk to Hitler. >> Bear with me on this. >> When Hitler died, do you think people rejoiced?

Lola (DT44)>> Yeah, sure. >> Yes. I again, as much as I personally like can stand by I stand by the fact that we should not be claiming who deserves to live or die, we should not

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