Charlie Kirk Debate: Charlie Compared To ADOLF H?! ALL Girls RAGE QUIT?! (FERAL) | Dating Talk #260

Date: 2025-09-15

Duration: 7h 37m

Guests

Brian Atlas

PPamela (Violatrix)>

SShantel (WNBA)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Pamela (Violatrix)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Olive(guest)

SPEAKER_04Javon(guest)

SPEAKER_05Ally (Snow)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Shantel (WNBA)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Harper(guest)

SPEAKER_11Lola (DT44)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Kiana(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian opens with Charlie Kirk tribute

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves. Shantel: 6'6", WNBA 2003-2009, abstinent 12 years.

Key MomentPamela reveals mafia-connected father deported her daughter's biological father

ControversyLola invokes Hitler comparison to ask about threshold of justified rejoicing at Kirk's death

Key Moment'What is a woman?' debate. Shantel provides WNBA perspective on trans athletes.

ControversyShantel says Kirk's DEI 'brain capacity' comments were racist

Key MomentBrian admits he is agnostic despite ~80% Christian audience — refuses to grift religious identity

ControversyBeauty standards debate. Brian reveals he only dates Black women.

OtherShantel rage-quits after viciously targeted viewer roast message

Topics Discussed

Charlie Kirk Tribute

Brian opens with Kirk tribute.

Guest Introductions

All 8 guests introduced. Shantel reveals 6'6", WNBA career.

Charlie Kirk Reactions

Lola invokes Hitler comparison. Shantel says Kirk DEI comments were racist.

What Is a Woman / Trans Sports

Lola: anyone who identifies. Others: adult human female. Trans sports debate with WNBA perspective.

Brian Rant About No-Show Guest

Angry rant about guest who cancelled citing safety concerns.

Colorism and Beauty Standards

Heated debate. Brian reveals he only dates Black women.

AI Photos and Roast Session

AI aging/gender swap. Shantel rage-quits after viewer roast. Pamela leaves for mammogram.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasdescription. Um, also the, you know, um, normally we just jump right into the guest introductions. I'm sure you're all aware watching.

Brian AtlasUh, Charlie Kirk was assassinated a couple days ago. Uh, I don't have like a speech prepared or anything. I did a stream the following day. I I did a stream on Wednesday. I did a stream on

Brian AtlasThursday. Um, you know, my more elaborate thoughts on everything that went down are are in that stream. If if you're curious to hear that, you can check it out. It was just sort of an

Brian Atlasimpromptu, spontaneous stream. Andrew joined in for a little period of time. Obviously, uh very um

Brian Atlasuh upset by it. It's uh terrible thing. Uh and um maybe I'll have some more words later, but I don't want to hold up

Brian Atlasthe show too much. But can we get some uh I don't know some positive messages in the in the chat right now. If you guys were you watch Charlie Kirk, you

Brian Atlasfamiliar with him, maybe just leave a as a bit of a tribute to him, if you could leave like a nice message to Charlie, how he if you know maybe he he inspired

Brian Atlasyou in some way or he changed your opinion on something or whatever it is. So for the viewers, if you want to leave a comment, uh oh, I forgot. I need to open up. I think the chat's on members only, so I'm going to do that. Sorry, guys. Give me one sec. A little frantic

Brian Atlashere behind the scenes. We also had some no-shows. Uh, so things were a little hectic before uh before the show. All right, I'm going to open up the chat. Sorry, guys. Normally, I do that at the very start of the stream. All right,

Brian Atlasguys. Chat is opening up right now. if you guys want. So, now that it's open up, uh if you guys want to leave a little message in the chat, something nice to

Brian Atlassay about uh Charlie. Anyways, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So, please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, and education. Go ahead.

Javon>> My name is Javon. I'm 20 and I'm a boxer and I'm from Las Vegas. >> All right. And uh you grew up like always from Vegas or >> New York area as well.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. When did you move to Vegas? >> Uh when I was 12 I want to say. So >> Okay. Any school? >> Um I have my esthetician's license. >> Aesthetician. What do you focus on? Like makeup or

Pamela (Violatrix)>> uh skin most of it? Yeah. >> Skin stuff. Okay. >> All right. What about you, >> Pamela? My name is Pamela and professionally I'm known as the Vatrix.

Pamela (Violatrix)I am 52. I'll be 53 next month. All right. Where you from? >> Hershey, Pennsylvania originally and now of Las Vegas. >> Hershey, Pennsylvania. >> Hershey, Pennsylvania. That's Las Vegas

Pamela (Violatrix)where the >> chocolate is was made. Do they still make it there? >> A little bit. Yeah, actually they're bringing it back. And a lot of people don't know this. The Reese's plant is there as well. The Reese's family is an offshoot of Hershey. It's a little bit

Pamela (Violatrix)more of that. >> Okay. And uh any education, college, anything like that? >> Yes. um two college a Point Park College in Pittsburgh broadcast journalism and then a bachelor's in English literature

Pamela (Violatrix)from William Patterson University. >> Do you have a bachelor's degree in the in journalism or >> not in journalism? Broadcast journalism I studied and then I transferred over to English literature. >> Gotcha. And your name is the via Violatrix.

Brian Atlas>> The Violatrix. >> Did Sorry, did you say your like actual name? >> Pamela. Pamela. >> Pamela. Okay. Uh what what is what's the inspiration for Violatri? What is that? What does that mean?

Pamela (Violatrix)>> A financial dominatrix. That's what I do. But I also I'm also an author and I educate women on how to do what I do working from home. Single moms. Gotcha. >> Struggling.

Brian Atlas>> Got it. Okay. And going back to you really quick, you said you're a boxer. Yes. Have Have you had uh amateur boxer though? You've had some fights though. >> Uh amateur fights? >> No fights yet. I'm prepping for my first one in around three to four months. >> So

Lola (DT44)>> Okay. All right. Good luck on that. >> Thank you. >> All right. What about you? >> Um, I'm Lola. I'm 20 years old. Uh, I am a nanny and a barista, and I'm from Orange County, but I go to school, um,

Lola (DT44)in Santa Barbara. I study creative writing. >> Creative writing. Okay. Um, what do you want to do after you graduate? >> Uh, I want to write books, but I also

Lola (DT44)want to pay rent, and those two don't really coexist, so figuring it out. >> Um, okay. Do you have a specific genre you would like to write? fiction.

Lola (DT44)>> Uh, not necessarily. I don't know. I'm still jumping around a lot, but um I'm getting into screenwriting. I I do write a bit of fiction. It's predictable. Um, not poetry, though. So, I'd be some stereotypes. >> That was going to be my follow-up question.

Brian Atlas>> I know. I know. >> Haikus. >> Is a haiku under the >> Is that under poetry? >> It is. I think >> that's under the >> It's like the It's close enough. >> Okay. No haikus. Saliloquiz.

Lola (DT44)>> No. I'm sorry I'm letting you down. Not even one. >> Huh. What What's the most recent thing you've done or you've written, I guess? >> Uh, I'm working on a book right now or

Lola (DT44)like a collection of vignettes for school um about the dehumanization of the customer service industry. >> Dehumanization of the customer service industry.

Lola (DT44)>> I know I sound pretentious, don't I? >> No, it sounds good. Sounds like >> Thank you. And so is it um are you saying like the workers are being dehumanized or

Lola (DT44)>> Yeah. Okay. >> I mean I've worked at a coffee shop um for you know uh quite a few years on and off and it's like very clear that it is

Lola (DT44)intended to make you seem like this personification of service to people rather than like a human being that they're speaking to. >> Right. How long have you you said a couple

Brian Atlasyears? uh well around four non-consecutively big breaks in between. I've heard from a lot of people in the service industry and they said that I

Brian Atlasmean this is across other industries too that something happened after the uh pandemic like there's there's this palpable shift in I don't know just

Brian Atlaspeople lost their mind went crazy whatever there's just been an increase in mistreatment of people in the service service industry uh I mean not to say

Brian Atlasthat it was perfect before but there's like a shift. People on airplanes are losing their mind. I don't know why that is, >> but uh >> I do definitely think that co showed a

Lola (DT44)lot of corporations that like face-to-face interaction isn't as necessary as they thought before or at least they can function without it. So, you know, to cut costs, a lot of the like customer service aspects of things

Lola (DT44)are being dialed down, which means, you know, making their workers more focused on service rather than being humans. >> Got it. Okay. What about you?

Ally (Snow)>> I'm Ally. I'm 31. Um, I'm from Pasadena, California. Born and raised. Um, I'm a mom. I work in insurance and I am an SW.

Ally (Snow)>> Okay. Uh, how long you been doing that? >> Um, I started at 18. I took a brief break between like 2019 and 2021. And then I started back um at the end of

Ally (Snow)2022. So I don't know how many years that is exactly but quite some time. >> All right. Okay.

Brian AtlasAnd when you say you do you're a sex worker. >> Oh chat SW she it's t it's sex work. Um what have you done? >> Um full service. So just what you

Ally (Snow)>> escorting. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Okay. Have you done it like So >> I've sold like content too. I don't have

Ally (Snow)like an O of anything. Just kind of pay-per-view. Um but mostly just in calls. >> Any stripping or anything like that?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Okay. Uh any street walking? >> No. >> Okay. >> I don't know. Have we had I don't know

Brian Atlasif we've had a street walker. We we've had pro I mean anyways whatever actually I mean maybe I shouldn't jump

Olivethe gun. Any former current street walkers? >> Street anybody street walker? Okay. All right. Um what about you?

Olive>> Um my name is Olive. I'm 20. I am a also a barista. I also do coffee and I'm also an aesthetician. What? What is aesthetician? >> It's like where you do like >> Is it just the skin or is there other

Olivestuff too? >> Yeah, you do like lasers, you can do tattoo removals, you do waxings, do like the lashes, the eyebrows. >> I see. Okay. >> Mhm.

Olive>> How long you been doing that? >> Um, well, I started school with her in about in August, but I've been doing barista a lot longer. Five years, six years. I can whip up a good coffee.

Brian Atlas>> And you're from where again? Sorry, Vegas. Got it. Okay. Any education, school, anything besides aestheticians? >> I graduated high school. >> Okay. Any plans to go to college? Anything like that? >> Yes, but you need lots of money for

Brian Atlasthat. So, >> okay. They don't have like a good city college in Vegas or >> um They do, but I've lived on my own since a long time. So, >> all right. And

Shantel (WNBA)uh I think we got everything there. Okay. What about you? Hello. I'm Shantel, 24. I 24 44, sorry. Wait, 44.

Shantel (WNBA)44. 44. Okay. Um, I live in North Hollywood. I went to college at Vanderbilt University, played basketball there, and now I am an author, speaker, and I host a faith-based podcast with my

Shantel (WNBA)sister. >> All right. And, uh, education. >> You got a bachelor's degree or >> bachelor's degree. Vanderbilt. >> What? What? What's it in? human and organizational development. >> Okay. And you played professional

Shantel (WNBA)basketball. >> I played in the WNBA for six years. >> Which which team? >> Uh Sacramento, San Antonio, and Atlanta, but then the WNBA season is so short that we'll go overseas and play in the

Brian Atlasoffseason. So Hungary, France, Russia, Turkey, and Lebanon. >> Okay. And uh from you said six years. >> Yeah. >> So when that was from what year to what

Shantel (WNBA)year were you in the WNBA? So, I graduated college in 2003. So, then I was in the league from 2003 to 2009. >> Got it. >> Retired in in 2009. >> Okay. And what was your I'm not super

Shantel (WNBA)familiar with basketball, but what was your position? >> Like, isn't there people who play more defense, some who play >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we all play defense, but Yes. Uh I was a center, so like a

Shantel (WNBA)post player. Um, I don't know if you're familiar with like the the NBA, but like centers like Shaq and Hakee Elijah and like those are like the old school centers like the

Brian Atlas>> Tim Duncan would probably be like >> what's Jordan? >> Uh, like shooting guard. >> Is he a forward or >> No, he'd be like a guard. >> What's LeBron? Whatward? >> He's a forward. Is that what it's called? Forward. >> He's like a

Shantel (WNBA)>> I don't watch basketball. LeBron plays a LeBron's a forward, but I would say he's more a guard cuz he's on the perimeter. >> But like I'm a true what they would call true post player. So I was more back to the basket, footwork, all that.

SPEAKER_07>> And how how tall are you? >> 6'6. >> Damn. Wait, can you can you stand up really quick? Can you just stand up? >> Am I going to be like out of the camera? >> No, we got this. But here we're we're losing your head here.

Brian Atlas>> We're losing your head there. >> Wait. Stay stay standing for a sec. >> Damn. Tall. >> Nice. >> I'm not on camera anymore. I am.

Shantel (WNBA)>> Just curious, how tall are your parents? >> Uh, so I'm 6'6. My dad was 6'5. My mom is 5'4. So, funny thing, I'm the oldest.

Shantel (WNBA)So, I 6'6, took after my dad. My middle sister 6 feet tall, so she's like literally right in the middle. And then my youngest sister is five. So, she took after my mom. >> Any brothers or >> No, no brothers.

Shantel (WNBA)>> Interesting. >> Yeah. My dad was stuck in a household of all women and I'm sure he loved it at times but did not at others. >> Can I ask you a question? Is your dad a

Shantel (WNBA)really like super masculine guy? Like really masculine guy? >> I would say like not like toxically

Shantel (WNBA)masculine, but he was definitely like a a masculine man. He he he raised >> three three daughters, a stepdaughter, and he he taught us to, you know, be confident.

Shantel (WNBA)>> Did he uh was he a player when he was younger? >> Like did he >> like a player like basketball player or a player like a lot of women? >> Like he got a lot of Did he get a lot of women in it in his day? Um, I I think he

Shantel (WNBA)was definitely uh a ladies man, but he was also uh religious, so he he had a strong faith. And so I think that kind of limited his uh player characteristics

Brian Atlasa little bit. >> I have this theory, >> okay, >> that guys who are players, they they have disproportionately have daughters.

Harper>> I don't >> cuz they love women so much. I could be like it's >> inside >> chat. You know what I mean? Like >> Yeah. >> player player guys

Shantel (WNBA)>> their karma. >> Something like that. >> Yeah. I think I think it's because they like, you know, they treat women a certain way and then they have daughters and it kind of changes their perspective. So maybe God gives them daughters so that they can stop being

Brian Atlasplayers. >> I It's some There's some sort of I I don't know. I'm just going to do a couple quick mic adjustments. Can I have you just scoot your mic edge of the table and scoot it that way a bit and then just for you scoot your mic this

Brian Atlasway a little bit this way? >> You scoot your mic this way. >> Okay, >> perfect. Uh, your introduction, please. >> Okay, Harper. >> All right. Age? >> 45. >> All right. >> I'm living in Sacramento right now.

Harper>> What do you do for work? >> A caretaker. >> All right. Education? >> Um, I have some associates degrees and went to Calpali but dropped out. Okay. Rock and roll.

Harper>> Yep. >> What are your associates degrees in? >> Um, history, admin of justice, and two liberal arts degrees. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> I liked community college a lot. >> I noticed you have a frog tattoo right here. What is What does that mean? >> Uh, well, >> did you lick a frog once?

Harper>> No, I did not. It's a cover. >> Don't some people do that to get high or they lick a Isn't Isn't that like a >> heard that? Well, DMT is the poison of the is the poison from the poison dart

Harperfrog. I learned that. >> That's what DMT is. So, it's really I wouldn't have any of that. It's the actual poison meant to kill you from the poison dart frog. >> Yeah, >> that's >> Wait, lift lift your hand up so they can

Harpersee the tattoo. Okay. >> So, did you lick a frog or >> No. Ew. Why would I do that? That's great. >> Is that something that people do? I don't know. They look frost try to get high. >> It was my first legal tattoo. It was a

Brian Atlascover up. I ran away from home when I was 14. >> A swastika. >> No, >> I don't know. Just the Sorry, that was a >> Yeah, it's random and out of left field for some reason. >> Oh, no. Just the the legs of the frog

Harperlook a little I don't know. Sorry. Whatever. >> Uh, no. I had ran away from home, so I got a legal tattoo when I turned 18. Okay. >> And it covered it up. See? Just hold it up again. They'll they'll understand why

HarperI >> It's a dancing frog. I put him like this while we dance. >> I think you might have >> a You're so cute. >> Thank you. >> I should I'm not going there. Um what

Kianaabout you? >> Hi, my name is Kiana. I am well well I was a high school teacher when I left Florida. I just moved here about 3 months ago. Um I work on a television

Brian Atlasseries now and um my bachelor's is in marketing. Oh, I'm 28. Well, between nine and like two weeks, 10 days. >> Okay. All right. Thank you everybody for

Brian Atlasgiving your introductions. We're going to go around the table once more. What is everybody's current relationship status? If you're single, how long have you been single? And what's the longest

Javonrelationship you've been in? Go ahead. >> Uh, I'm engaged. >> Engaged. Okay. >> All right. How long have you been engaged? >> Well, I've been dating him for four and

Javona half years. was almost five and um we got engaged two years ago. >> All right. So, you guys started dating in high school? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> He's your same age? >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Same grade or >> uh one below. >> Oh, okay. Cougar over here. Uh so he's he's a year younger than you or >> um six months. >> Six months.

Javon>> Yeah. Just two different groups. >> Gotcha. All right. And uh I assume that's your longest relationship then. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. Only relationship or have you dated other people? >> I don't consider those other ones that

Pamela (Violatrix)he's he's the only >> junior high school crush or something. >> Yeah, pretty much. >> All right. Gotcha. What about you? >> Married 17 years. >> Married 17 years. Sorry. >> Married 17 years. Have you been married previously? >> No.

Brian Atlas>> Somebody else. >> But my current husband is not her father. >> Gotcha. Okay. >> Her father passed away. Gotcha. Okay. So, married 17 years. How long were you

Pamela (Violatrix)uh dating him or so? Like maybe you were dating him for three years before or >> No, so about 3 months before that. >> Okay. So, it's quick. So, 17 years. Yeah. Um

Brian Atlasany previous long-term relationships? I'm assuming the father. >> Yes, her father. >> How long were you with him? >> Three years. >> Three years. Okay. Uh, and he passed

Pamela (Violatrix)away recently or >> No, he passed away. So, um, my father had him deported when I was pregnant with her. >> Deported?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Okay. Wait, hold. Okay. So, your dad >> I know you you mentioned something about this in the notes. Yeah. >> Your dad had >> Marello deported. >> Marello. Is he Italian or

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Italian soccer player from Uruguay? Uruguay, South America. Wait, he's Italian, but he's from Uruguay. >> He's an immigrant. He was an immigrant here. >> So there's a huge population of Italians in South America.

Brian Atlas>> But so he's his nationality was Uruguayan. >> Correct. >> Okay. But he's he >> 100% family back in the day moved to Uruguay from Italy. >> Correct.

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Got it. Okay. Uh so he was an illegal immigrant. >> Yes. >> Sort of. >> It didn't start out that way. It ended up that way. >> How did you meet him?

Pamela (Violatrix)I owned rental properties and his his cousin had a pizza shop on the corner where one of my rentals was. >> Okay. >> And I walked in there one day and he's like, "My cousin want to go out with you?" And I was like, "Which one's your

Pamela (Violatrix)cousin?" And he pointed to he said, "Oh, he's not here." I said, "Well, I'm dating an attorney in New York City. Here's my number." I was trying to get out of it. I said, "Here's my number. Call me in exactly a month. I'll know which way it's going with this

Pamela (Violatrix)attorney." I mean, to the hour he called me. I I couldn't understand him. He was like grunting into the phone. speak any English. >> How did you communicate? He didn't speak

Pamela (Violatrix)>> I speak Spanish or >> I do, but that No, he he would weave in and out of Italian and Spanish so fast I couldn't catch anything. He spoke like five languages, Marello. >> Um but my father I wanted a baby. I was

Pamela (Violatrix)33 years old. I owned three rental properties. I was a college admissions director. I had no idea that this wouldn't fly with my father who was very old school Italian. So, my father found

Pamela (Violatrix)out he tried to he tried to make me misarry with the Italian loafer. Uh, it's it's kind of it's a long story. We we joke about it now. My father tried to make me miscarry when that didn't work. He said,

Pamela (Violatrix)"If you don't terminate this pregnancy, I'm going to ruin you." And I was like, "Go ahead." I didn't think he would do it. I I'd never done anything wrong in my life. And he did it. And then he bankrupted me, evicted me from my

Pamela (Violatrix)properties, no car, no nothing, 8 months pregnant, and then had her father deported. He was an INS holding for 3 months and then I then he was deported. >> And I thought, well, my dad was bad.

Brian Atlas>> No, it's it's all good. It's it all turned out really well. Yeah, >> it's okay. >> And can you there was some link to Donnie Brasco. What was >> Oh, so my father's from My father's born

Pamela (Violatrix)in 1941 in the Marcy projects in Brooklyn, which is where Jay-Z sings, but it doesn't exist anymore. But my father grew up in Patterson, New Jersey around all like the wise guys. So, one

Pamela (Violatrix)of my father's very good friends was Joe Pistone. But while Joe played or while Johnny Depp played Joe in the movie Donnie Brasco, there were plenty that were not on the right side of the law.

Pamela (Violatrix)So my father was very connected to these guys and um that's how my father ultimately was able to have Marello deported. It was calling in political favors. I was told years later I ran into a police officer who said to me,

Pamela (Violatrix)"Do you know how difficult it was in post 911 like society to have her father deported?" Cuz they're only spending money deporting people that are coming

Pamela (Violatrix)from basically Muslim countries. To get someone deported to Latin America, South America was unheard of. Like your father had to pull the highest level political favors to make that happen.

Brian Atlas>> So >> wait, so your your father was he >> was he you said did you say connected? >> Oh, he's connected. He he >> like are you talking politically or are you talking mafia?

Pamela (Violatrix)>> Isn't that the same? I mean, are those really one and the same? >> Points were made. >> He my father passed away uh it'll be three years ago at Christmas. So I would never be able to talk about any of this

Pamela (Violatrix)if he hadn't. As a matter of fact, as far as the finding, I mean, he would like if he found out that I was doing that, that would be the end. But, ironically, it's the reason I had to become a findom. When he ruined me and

Pamela (Violatrix)bankrupted me and I was a single mother, that is how a nice Catholic girl from Hershey, Pennsylvania from a good family becomes a findom. It was the only way I could get out out of welfare out of this

Pamela (Violatrix)system. And it's also why I teach women to do what I do. Single moms, women struggling. >> Got it. Okay. Uh, what about you? >> I'm single.

Brian Atlas>> Single. Okay. >> Yes. >> I detected a bit of hesitation there. Uh, is it complicated? >> You know, I had just forgotten the question. >> Oh, just uh your relationship status. >> Oh, yeah. It's

Brian Atlas>> I'm just Yeah, >> complicated. [Laughter] >> She's like, I needle. What what's uh what's your longest relationship you've ever been in?

Lola (DT44)>> 2 and 1/2 years. >> All right. How long have you been single for? >> Um Oh god, these are really complicated questions. Um technically

Brian Atlas6 months, I guess. >> Okay. So, um are you currently in this situationship? >> Yes. >> All right. How long have you been in the

Lola (DT44)situationship? >> Oh, goodness. Um coming on uh 6 months now. >> Uh wait, hold on.

Brian Atlas>> Don't do the math. >> So you've been single for 6 months? >> Oh god. >> In a situationship for 6 months. The person who you broke up with 6 months ago, is it the same person you're in a situationship with?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. So, you used to be in a relationship with this person? >> Well, no, it's >> it's complicated. I am single. >> Explain it to me.

SPEAKER_12>> I'm single. Um, >> when's the last time you hung out with your situationship? >> I don't think they'd love information shared about that. >> Was it today?

Brian Atlas>> Mind your own business. What's going on? >> It's a dating podcast. We talk about dating. I willingly come on the dating podcast. >> So, okay, you've seen them recently, it

Brian Atlassounds like, and uh the relationship that ended 6 months ago. How long were you dating that person?

Brian Atlas>> Um, it was I like a a month. >> A month? >> Yes. Were you in a situationship with

Brian Atlasthem before you dated them for a month? >> No, not really. >> So, you met them and then you

SPEAKER_12immediately were in a relationship. >> Uh, no, we were we were friends before >> with benefits. >> No. >> Okay. >> No.

Brian Atlas>> All right. So, tell me if this is Blink twice if this is >> Oh, god. If if I'm going to present my understanding uh so okay

Brian Atlasyou were exclusive with a person for one month and one of you did not want to be exclusive

Brian Atlasand then you've continued having sex with each other for 6 months. >> Hey, I didn't make that claim. >> Leading the witness I um

Brian Atlasoverruled. >> This is my lawyer. Um >> yeah. >> So, okay. Um are you dating multiple people or when I say date, I just mean like >> like going on dates? >> Like hanging out with multiple people who you have interest in?

Lola (DT44)>> Yeah. >> Okay. Do you have a roster currently? >> A roster? Yeah. >> Um I mean I suppose. >> Okay. Orientation. Are you straight by? >> By Okay. >> I also I don't think sexuality is real. So, >> what do you mean?

Lola (DT44)>> I think that if we were raised without the notions of like straight and gay as concepts, people wouldn't naturally have as strong of preferences as they do. I think that people would just be into people as a whole without gender playing

Brian Atlasa big role. >> Actually, Huh, that's interesting. I kind of think it might be the reverse. >> Really? Well,

Brian Atlasthere's this idea that uh you're not going to like the term I use, but uh there's this concept of social contagion. So, actually, it might be the case if we

Brian Atlasdidn't teach people about sexuality at all, you would see more people fall into a more the the uh heterosexuality than you might see people fall into pansexuality.

Lola (DT44)>> Sure. >> Or bisexuality. As much as I understand where you're coming from, I do think that you know in order for that to be tested, we would have to strip down everything that teaches people about um

Lola (DT44)you know the the concept of being into one gender over the other. And I think that our society is so built fundamentally on that that if we just

Lola (DT44)didn't openly discuss it then the like uh you know sub or undertones of growing up are still like you see straight couples together more than you see gay couples together. You hear about

Lola (DT44)straight couples more. Um it's just like it's more normalized even if we're not explicitly discussing whether or not it is.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I don't know. I think that uh I I I think that people can have natural inclinations towards pansexuality,

Brian Atlashomosexuality, uh bisexuality, whatever it is, without there being any sort of cultural um even cultural understanding of these things. And this is it's obviously a

Brian Atlasnatural phenomenon, but there is I think a social component. You know, there for example, there was this uh study done, I believe, in I'm trying to think if it was in Lithuania.

Brian AtlasIt was one of the uh I think one of the Baltic countries or something where uh they don't have a term for what is

Brian Atlasit? They don't have a term for what's it called when you get into a car accident? Whiplash. >> They don't have a term for this in the

Brian Atlascountry. And there is a I think sometimes there's a psychological component if if you create something or create a term for something.

HarperPeople will perhaps I don't know what the exact word for this is like uh >> self-fulfilling prophecy almost. >> Yeah. They'll be molded into what you're

Shantel (WNBA)saying. If you create something they'll be molded into that. they'll be like, "Oh, maybe I am that." Like, instead of being confused about something, it's like, "Oh, well, maybe I'm by."

Brian Atlas>> Well, for example, if there was absolutely no societal understanding of transgenderism, I would suspect that people would still experience like an uneasiness, but I'm

Brian Atlasnot sure if they would be able to actually attribute it to this to X thing. >> Sure. And so this idea that you're saying if we did away with these labels,

Brian Atlasyou know, you're transgender or you're you're bisexual or you're asexual or you're heterosexual, you're pansexual, that more people would fall into those categories. I'm not actually sure that's the case.

Lola (DT44)>> Well, I do think that it is untestable just because of how fundamental those ideas are to the way that we live. But uh I don't know because I I also I'm gonna make the claim that gender isn't

Lola (DT44)real as well. Um but >> what do you mean gender is not real? >> Well, obviously sex is real. Um >> Oh, okay. So, gender is not real. >> No, I I think that if we weren't like the reason that men feel the need to be

Lola (DT44)more masculine is because they are biologically stronger. So, they've played more like uh masculine protective roles in history, right, that aren't necessarily like super prominent now. um

Lola (DT44)because you know we're we're living in like a modern society. Um but yeah, I I do think that these ideas that we have of like how men and women are biologically different are almost entirely nurture in the way that we're

Lola (DT44)raised and the way we're taught to be. I think the only biological difference I can really think of is like, you know, physicality and like strength and stuff like that. >> You don't think there's any innate

Lola (DT44)differences absent physiology? >> Well, I can't say that 100%. We don't really know. I personally don't really believe so, but you know, I have no way of being sure. >> So, you don't believe that there's sort

Brian Atlasof generalized inclinations? Like, I would agree, for example, there are some women who are more u masculine or, you know, whatever would fall under the label of masculinity than there are some

Brian Atlasmen. >> Like, there's feminine men. >> Yeah. But generally speaking, I think it would it's fair to say that men tend to lean towards masculinity. Women tend to lean towards femininity regardless of

Lola (DT44)nurture. >> Sure. But I I think that nurture is like the nurture I'm talking about is within everyone. It's just the way that we're raised, what we see when we're walking down the street, the way that we see

Lola (DT44)people who look and speak like us act. You know, like growing up, I watched the women in my life act much in much more feminine ways. I watched the men in my life be much more masculine. Um, so I think even if it wasn't like a

Lola (DT44)conscious, I was being told that you have to be ladylike or feminine, I was still observing that and the people I associated with were acting in those ways. What if I told you that there were

Brian Atlasstudies before with very young children uh very young before they can even conceptualize the and you know maybe you'll make the argument that while even

Brian Atlaseven under one year old there's already nurture influence taking place that creates this difference between male and female but these studies before even I

Brian Atlasbefore an age where you can conceptualize these sorts of things and really there can much influence based on nurture that there you will see differences between boys and girls in

Brian Atlasterms of their interest in like toys for example and they'll naturally gravitate towards certain things or certain types of play even at a very young age. >> Sure.

Lola (DT44)>> So I think that this would counter your idea that things are strictly nurture. >> I think that uh there are a lot of difficulties with a study like that. I mean unless the children were raised

Lola (DT44)like obviously we don't know if in the first year I mean we can assume that they are already picking up on things children have to learn to smile they have to learn to laugh you know like things that we assume to be innate really aren't they're just observing

Lola (DT44)more than we assume >> um but yeah I think that for a study like that to really be accurate they would have to be like raised in captivity essentially

Brian Atlas>> so you're saying essentially then apply using your logic all studies regardless Regardless of the age of the participants, they must be held in captivity away from influence from the world.

Brian Atlas>> Well, not necessarily because >> So should we Well, I mean that would be the extension of your logic. We should just throw away all studies then because these individuals I mean it would even apply more to like so sociological

Brian Atlaspsychological studies conducted on adults. They've had 18 years of programming whereas you know babies who are under one year have had very at least well less programming let's say. >> Sure. But I think the difference between

Lola (DT44)those two is this study specifically is trying to study nature. We're trying to discuss how people innately are. If we're doing studies on adults, we're always operating under the assumption that their nurture has played a part, right? So you don't necessarily need

Lola (DT44)those factors exempt because it's acknowledged that it's going to play into the results. If we acknowledge that the n or the nurture of those children play into the results, then it negates the idea that it's their nurture making

Brian Atlasthem gravitate to those toys. >> Yeah. I'm not sure. I really I I'm going to really agree there. Again, when you're conducting these sorts of experiments with very young children, I don't think that there there's at least

Brian Atlasmy position would be while there might be some degree of nurture that has occurred. I don't think it's sufficient

Brian Atlasenough to override the sort of innate biological influence that is going to be as a result of somebody's sex. >> Yeah. >> Sure. So for example, I mean there's

Brian Atlasother studies too where generally generally speaking men have a greater tendency towards uh towards ideas or towards things and women have a greater tendency towards people. >> Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> So this could this would manifest itself in professions. Women have a greater uh have a greater push towards professions that involve people whereas men have a greater push towards professions that

Brian Atlasinvolve things or ideas. So like that's why you see more men in engineering for example and that's why you see more women in healthcare or you see more

Lola (DT44)women in jobs like social work or jobs like um teaching for example. >> Sure. And I think that that can be boiled down to it's rooted from sex not

Lola (DT44)gender. The reason that men are more inclined to jobs like that is because they are physically stronger. They're built for um like jobs that they can use their like they don't have to be personable for. They don't have well my

Lola (DT44)sorry what I'm getting at here >> when it comes to women obviously throughout I mean I can't confidently say I just women haven't been put in workplaces for a very long time. Um women >> have always been involved in >> of course they've been involved but

Lola (DT44)women have never been viewed as capable in the way that men have been. Women have had this idea that they you know belong in the house. they belong to uplift men rather than be their own person. And that's only very recently being deconstructed.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, hold on. There's a couple there's a whole bunch there that that you've smuggled in that I would have to >> I would have to address. >> This is real life. >> Like, whoa.

Brian Atlas>> There's a whole bunch there's a whole bunch smuggled in there. So, I would I dispute this idea that it that women weren't deemed as capable. Also, really

Brian Atlasquick, just to rewind here, when I'm talking about engineering, engineering, uh, I mean, you're talking about physical labor. When I'm talking about engineering, I'm talking about that that's purely mental for the most part.

Brian Atlas>> I I misunderstood you there. >> So, there's no there's no prohibition or limit on women entering engineering, at least today, due to any sort of physical strength differential between men and

Brian Atlaswomen. Engineering is purely a mental endeavor. Well, in ter in terms of the thought process of engineering, actually seeing it through, you know, you need construction workers or, you know, whatever it is to actually have the

Brian Atlasphysical capacity and and strength to be able to do that. >> But moving off of that though, hold on. You said that uh women have have been basically relegated to the household for

Brian Atlasthe benefit of men. I would disagree with your assessment there. uh I think for the benefit it I would like to perhaps rephrase your statement to the benefit of the family and to society not

Brian Atlasto the benefit solely of men and then also I would just say that uh we would also have to apply this to men too men have been relegated to dangerous for for

Brian Atlasmost of human history uh and viewed as disposable they've been relegated to backbreaking physical work to being essentially wallets and relegated ated

Brian Atlasto uh being put through the meat grinder of war. If we do a comparison between this expectation then on men and compared to

Brian Atlaswomen, I don't know if women got that much of a, you know, I don't think they got a really unfair shake historically in modern day that they get to be provided for and

Brian Atlasthey get to enjoy the comfort of the household while men go out into the world and either fight or work and often time and you know we see this also men die much earlier. There's a whole bunch

Brian Atlasof reasons for this. Men typically die five years sooner than women. Why would this be? Seems like actually women have a lot of privileged positions. I would say women tend to live healthier lives.

Lola (DT44)Women live longer. This would probably indicate women have some degree of privilege over men. >> Well, I'm not claiming that the system benefits men. I don't think this is good for anyone. I do.

Lola (DT44)>> What system are you referring to? Oh, well, you know, the the concept of like the nuclear family, like the women in the household, men out at work. I don't think that this is good for men either. I think that it's negative for women because, you know, they are definitely

Lola (DT44)viewed down upon. They're not given their own independence or at least haven't been um and, you know, definitely are expected to uh just kind of dole their own aspirations for the

Lola (DT44)sake of the family. However, I don't think that it's good for men either. I think a lot of men aren't capable of expressing emotion because they are expected to be strong. I think that they are pushed into um positions that they don't always want to be in. I think that

Lola (DT44)it also doulls their own self-expression, you know, the way that it does for women. Um I I think that my argument primarily is that these roles are purely negative and uh hurt everyone involved. >> The roles are negative.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Okay. So the roles that we're we're referencing is you you're talking like a more traditional gender dynamics as it relates to relationships >> as it relates to relationships and also

Brian Atlasthe workplace. >> The workplace. Okay. So I first off I would also say that uh there the nuclear family can still exist and there could

Brian Atlasbe a scenario where the woman has also freedom and does work also. But do you have specific issues with the nuclear family? Not necessarily. >> Like assuming, let's say the dynamic is

Brian Atlasboth people are able to pursue their career aspirations and the man and the woman is working, but they're married and have children. Do you object to that dynamic? >> No, not necessarily. That term wasn't exactly what I was looking for. >> Okay. So, you don't have issues strictly

Brian Atlaswith the nuclear family? >> No. >> Okay. Let's come back to this because I want to let everybody, you know, give their relationship status and stuff, but I will make a note. We'll talk about um

Brian Atlaswhat what were all the things we were talking we hit on >> I just had I just had a question. >> You said gender doesn't exist. I guess >> so. When you say gender doesn't exist, you don't believe in gender identity then.

Lola (DT44)>> Uh I think that it is definitely possible to be inclined to a certain gender identity. But I think that it is primarily like obviously rooted in who you are fundamentally. I I do think that the way that we are taught about gender

Lola (DT44)and the way we view it as a society plays a huge role on how we view it independently. >> But so if you reject gender, do you only acknowledge sex? >> No, I don't think that something has to be real for it to bring people comfort.

Lola (DT44)I think that like I personally identify as a woman because, you know, I grew up viewing myself in a feminine way. I align with femininity and that kind of sense. Do I think that that's like really that based in reality? Do I think that that's like fundamental to who I

Brian Atlasam? No. But it brings me comfort. >> But when you So you reject gender. Is that correct? >> So but when you say the word woman? >> Yes. >> You say you're a woman. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So when you say woman, are you alluding

Brian Atlasto sex? >> No, I don't think it's a real concept. I think that to say >> No, you said gender is not a real concept, but you you said sex is a real concept. >> Yeah. Woman is reference to gender. I

Brian Atlaswould say females in relation to sex. Here's my confusion is you reject gender but now you're saying that woman relates to gender. >> Yes. Exactly. Well, it's >> but you reject gender.

Lola (DT44)>> I do. >> So, you're using woman to relate to sex then? >> No, I'm using it to relate to gender. >> But you reject gender. >> I do. >> So, how does that reconcile that for me? >> Okay, bear with me on this. We're gonna

Lola (DT44)It's going to take a little bit. I think that woman as a concept, it's not a super real thing. It is just this term that we associate with femininity because we associate women with like the

Lola (DT44)female sex, right? I don't think that being a woman is a real thing. Being a female is a real thing. >> You agree? I see you shaking your head. Do you agree with this? >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> What?

Harper>> Oh, I love this take cuz I just sound crazy. >> I'm trying to ask. You went to school. You have an education. >> Oh, is that hard to believe? >> No, I'm No, it's not hard to believe. I'm just asking. You have an education in your degree in what?

Harper>> Um, writing and literature. >> Do you did you take any gender studies and things like that at the school? Okay. >> Um, I'm a big fan of those classes in case you couldn't tell. >> I can't wait for you to weigh in on

Lola (DT44)this. Please do. >> But you're taking writing classes >> primarily. >> Okay. So, what's your degree going to be in? >> Writing and literature. >> Okay. >> Yeah. When when I say that I'm a woman,

Lola (DT44)I don't think that that term actually holds real weight. I think that it's just this idea we have. I think societal constructs can be real to us even if they're not actually based in anything. >> Mhm. Um here we're going to blast

Brian Atlasthrough the We're coming back to this. Let's just finish. No, you're fine. You're totally fine. Let's finish relationship status. Go ahead. >> Sorry, that was a little bit aggravating. >> How? >> There's a man and a woman. Period. That's it. >> Okay, >> that's it.

Ally (Snow)>> Relationship status. >> Um I'm single. >> Single. Uh how long? Um, oh [ __ ] since 2021. >> Four years. Longest relationship?

Brian Atlas>> Uh, like six and a half years. >> Were you previously married? >> No. >> You have one kid? >> Yes. >> Only one kid? >> Yeah. >> Okay. The kid is from your six and a half year relationship or somebody else?

Olive>> No. Oh, thank God. No. >> How old's your kid? >> How old's your kid? >> Uh, from my most recent relationship. >> Got it. >> Yeah. All right. What about you?

Olive>> Um, currently I'm single. Kind of like her like situationship. Um, situationship. >> Yeah. >> Okay. How long have you been single for? >> Um, two months.

Brian Atlas>> Two months. Okay. Longest relationship? >> Uh, two two years. >> Is that the one that ended two months ago? >> No. >> Okay. Uh, two-year relationship. Who broke up with who?

Olive>> Uh, it was actually a very complicated situation. I made her break up >> basically. It >> You deported him? >> Didn't have to.

Olive>> Well, not not even that one. It was my first relationship, like my first high school like, you know, like love relationship. It just ended up >> uh we won't both weren't ready. We both

Oliveweren't at this same like mental capacity. And uh it just ended up getting a little bit handsy where like >> you beat him. >> No. Oh, God. No, no, no. He uh it was

Olivemore of like he had mental struggles. He wanted to hurt himself and I stopped him from hurting himself. >> So, it kind of affected me. I ended up having to go to the hospital for it.

Olive>> So, that kind of both stumped our families and kind of put us in like, oh, >> you guys aren't made for each other. So, I stayed single for about two and a half years. And then I met my most recent ex.

Brian AtlasAnd that was a six-month relationship. And he was a complete jerkoff. He was like abusive also. So, >> Gotcha. And you said that uh you're currently in a situationship. Yeah. Can

Oliveyou explain that? >> Um I it was kind of like I just met him uh through friends of friends. It's not anything cuz I have faith. I believe in God. And my first two relationships I didn't have really God in my

Oliverelationship. And I feel like now I really want him to be in my relationship and to kind of help guide me cuz he's guided me a lot recently within my life.

OliveSo, my new situationship, it's like we're taking it very easy. Almost like uh high school, like holding hands, kissing. That's about it. Hugging. >> In your previous people you've dated,

Olivethat hasn't been the case. Is that correct? >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah, that hasn't been the case. >> So, you're Christian? >> Uh, yes. I just Yeah, kind of. >> Do you have a denomination?

Olive>> Well, I was Mormon for my first 14 years of my life. So that kind of made me go away from God just because of the Mormon religion and how strict in everything they believe in. I don't

Olive>> quite believe in what they believe in. >> So I kind of just stepped back from it. I started becoming an atheist just because of everything that happened in my life. I was like, why would God let this happen? Why would he do this? But

Oliveit took me many years to kind of understand of why he did this. And it's all for a lesson. It all helped me grow to who I am right now and currently. M >> um I noticed you have a hickey on your neck.

Olive>> Yeah. Yeah, about that. >> Is that part of your uh taking it slow thing? >> Yes, it actually was. >> Actually, it was not. It was more of a I

Brian Atlastold him I was going on a podcast and he was like, "Oh, really?" >> And he gave you the hickey. >> He's like, "Shit, >> can't let all these uh All right, that's

Brian Atlasuh interesting." Um, >> yeah. >> Although, I mean, look, I that's actually >> I haven't had a hickey since I was like 17, so and things were moving slow at 17. So, I I guess that >> I guess that kind of makes sense. I guess

Brian Atlas>> I guess when you're taking it slow, that's the best you get. >> You know, your neck. >> Mhm. >> I think I don't know about the chat, but you get I feel like you get you have one hickey and you're like, "Okay, I don't need another hickey."

Olive>> Yeah. >> Like, don't do that, please. But, okay. Um, >> that was my first hickey. >> This is your first hickey? >> Yeah. >> No, I I swear by that. Like

Brian Atlas>> Wow, that was crazy. >> Wow. >> All right. Um Okay, cool. Um, so you just met this guy. You've hung out a couple times. What? Two weeks, you said? >> Yeah, we've been together for like the past two weeks. All right.

Brian Atlas>> Day we met each other. >> Is he Christian, too? >> Yeah. >> Okay, cool. >> Wait, hold on. But you said you've been single for two months, you said, right? Or

Shantel (WNBA)>> Yes. >> Okay. All right. What about you? Relationship. >> Um, I am single. >> All right. How long? >> And have been single for Well, I've been

Shantel (WNBA)single and abstinent for 12 years. Um, >> wait. single and abstinent for 12 years. >> 12 years. I did have a boyfriend about a

Shantel (WNBA)year ago, but that was 4 months. A 4 month relationship, but it was like we didn't even kiss. >> Was he taller than you? >> He was 64. >> So almost, but no.

Shantel (WNBA)>> Is he Was he a black guy, white guy? >> No, he was a he was a white guy. >> White guy. Okay. >> Uh All right. So single celibate for 12 years. Well, abstinent because celibate

Shantel (WNBA)celibate means that I never want to have sex again and abstinate means I'm like I'm not having sex basically until marriage. >> Wait

Shantel (WNBA)>> like celibate like priests are celibate because they don't plan on well supposedly. Um >> yeah. >> Yeah. But like celibacy means like I've taken a vow of celibacy which means I'm not having sex again

Shantel (WNBA)>> until marriage. >> No. Like period celibate? No, no, no, no, no. Me, like, celibacy means I've taken a vow of celibacy. I'm not having sex. Period. Abstinate, which is what I

Shantel (WNBA)am, means that I am abstaining for a certain amount of time for me personally until marriage. >> Until you're married, I see. Were you previously married? >> No, I've never been married. No. >> Never been married. Any kids?

Shantel (WNBA)>> No. >> Okay. Um, and you said you've been abstinent for 12 years. >> 12 years. Well, it's been longer than 12

Shantel (WNBA)years, but I have been a Christian for uh on Wednesday it will be 12 years. I 12 years ago. So, um Wednesday is my like 12th spiritual birthday. So, I

Shantel (WNBA)always say like >> listen, you ain't you may have whatever you need on me before, you know, September 17th, 2013, but since that day,

Brian Atlas>> you haven't had sex since Barack Obama was president. I mean, when you feel like that since 12 years >> since before se

Shantel (WNBA)>> Since before September 17th, 2013. Yes. >> Sep the last time you had sex was September 7th, >> 2013. >> I don't remember when the last time I had sex was. >> That's when you became

Shantel (WNBA)>> But the when I became when I repented and was baptized >> was September 17th, 2013. >> I see. So before that time, whenever my

Shantel (WNBA)last time was, it was before that time. Since that date, I know I have not >> had sex or even kissed a guy, honestly. >> Okay. Oh, we have a message coming

SPEAKER_00through here. >> Muddy Ninja 2528 donated $200. Hey, but when women get into those workplace, men are still have to help them so they don't slow the production down.

Lola (DT44)>> Oh my. >> Oh, you do. Do you want to respond to that? >> Do you mind if I do? >> Go ahead. >> So, when I said that women are viewed as less capable, that's a a great example.

Shantel (WNBA)Um, women don't need help to do jobs that men can do. There's no difference between our capabilities. Cap, that's a lie. That is that is not true. I'm a 6'6

Shantel (WNBA)woman, former professional athlete, and there are like I am still weaker. >> Sure. Yeah. physically than a lot of men I know. Even though I may be bigger

Shantel (WNBA)bigger physically than certain men, I'm still weaker. And so if we are going to line up and have to do the same job physically, then I'm not going to be able to do the same thing that he can do capacity-wise just from a strength

Shantel (WNBA)position. So if we're put in that position, I will need more help, whether it is from a person or a machine or to lessen the load or to go slower or whatever. So like that's not even true.

Lola (DT44)>> Sure. In that sense, if we're Noense. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. >> Uh, if we're talking like physically, yeah, I I have acknowledged that men are physically stronger. That's undeniable. >> I think that's what he was talking about. >> Sure. But I I mean, the workplace is a

Lola (DT44)general term. That is just the idea that women can't do work the same way as men. Not all jobs require physical labor. There are plenty of jobs where people have other kinds of genetic advantages, not based on sex, that we never talk

Shantel (WNBA)about because people don't care unless it's used to put the other gender down. Well, I think he said like those workplaces. So, he was specifically talking about like like you have to help them like slow the pace down.

SPEAKER_07>> If we're talking specifically in those workplaces, women might need extra help. I can I can understand that. >> Sorry. I know that was >> Oh, no. You guys are good. I was just reading some [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> Uh, okay. Um, I'll address the [ __ ] in just a moment. Uh, let's finish the relationship status or wait. So, hold on really quick.

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