Brian KICKS OUT Rude Girl?! 40 Year Old VIRGINS?! Andrew Wilson! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #142

Date: 2024-03-11

Duration: 6h 04m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAnastasia (DT142)>

BBethany (DT142)>

MMartina (DT142)>

JJackal (DT142)>

CChristine (DT142)>

HHannah (DT142)>

MMonique (DT142)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Martina(guest)

SPEAKER_03Hannah(guest)

SPEAKER_04Anastasia (Pandana)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Christine(guest)

SPEAKER_08Jackal(guest)

SPEAKER_09Monique(guest)

SPEAKER_11Bethany(guest)

Key Moments

ControversyBrian reveals malicious flake: a guest deliberately no-showed and posted 'you've been humbled' on Instagram. Brian threatened small claims lawsuit for tortious interference with business.

“she posted to be on the show... 4:30 she's supposed to be here at 4. She says 'yeah' and 'whatever you've been humbled'”

OtherMonique (41) and Jackal (39) reveal they are both virgins waiting for marriage. Chat reacts with surprise.

“I'm a virgin and I'm waiting until marriage to have sex... I'm a 41-year-old virgin”

OtherChristine reveals she is waiting for marriage now but is not a virgin; has been celibate 1 year after becoming closer to God.

“I am waiting for marriage now but I'm not a virgin... I've been celibate um a year”

Key MomentAndrew coins the 'Bronze Age pro-lifer' critique: pro-choice women who become conservative on men's reproductive obligations. Extended abortion/child support debate.

“you're basically like a Bronze Age prolifer when it comes to men's responsibility”

OtherSelf-rating round: Anastasia rates 8/10/6, Bethany 6, Martina 6, Christine 7-8, Hannah does hometown poll (10 local, 7.5 avg, 5 self), Monique 8, Andrew 4.

“ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10”

ControversyMartina argues porn is harder to quit than heroin and describes 6-9 month withdrawal/numbness. Andrew checks fighthenewdrug.org live and notes evidence is less extreme than claimed.

“I believe that porn is harder to quit than heroin”

Key MomentBrian shows video of woman bowing to husband; asks panel if they would bow. Hannah refuses - only bows to God. Extended debate on bowing, submission, and Christianity.

“I'd want my girlfriend to bow to me when she greets me at the door”

OtherAnastasia reveals she started platonic escorting at age 16 while in foster care, influenced by a friend. Never did prostitution. Still does it occasionally.

“16... I was in foster care and my home girl she did it first”

ControversyUnnamed rude guest (diarized as SPEAKER_04) calls Andrew a 'little bitch' and uses profanity. Brian kicks her out. Guest shouts as she leaves.

“you can leave you can leave go ahead you're a... get out of here”

Topics Discussed

Intro / Show opening / Flake discussion

Brian apologizes for late start. Discusses malicious flake from a guest who deliberately no-showed and posted on Instagram 'you've been humbled'. Brian threatened small claims lawsuit for tortious interference. Multiple technical issues: internet, audio, cameras. Dedicated show to Akira Toriyama (DBZ creator).

Guest introductions & relationship statuses

All guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Relationship statuses: Anastasia in a relationship (1yr), Bethany in a relationship (1yr+), Martina legally separated (2yr), Jackal single 4mo, Christine single 3yr, Hannah single 1yr+, Monique single 2.5yr. Monique and Jackal reveal they are virgins waiting for marriage.

Virginity, abstinence, and waiting for marriage

Extended discussion about Monique (41) and Jackal (39) being virgins. Chat challenges whether virginity over 25 is 'weird'. Brian says it is rare but not weird. Christine reveals she is celibate/waiting for marriage now (1yr celibate, not a virgin). Discussion of freezing eggs vs trusting God for fertility. Andrew and Anastasia debate whether asking women to have premarital sex is predatory. IVF statistics cited: 2-12% live birth rate for frozen eggs under 38.

World War I and II history quiz

Brian quizzes the panel on WW1 and WW2 dates and allied/axis powers. Most guests had incorrect dates. Correct answers: WW1 1914-1918, WW2 1939-1945. Christine mentioned she took US citizenship test but couldn't recall exact years.

Incel debate / female incels

Anastasia and Andrew debate whether female incels exist. Andrew argues no woman can be truly involuntarily celibate. Anastasia argues they exist (low numbers but present). Andrew concedes the exception case but maintains it's a statistical aberration. Brian notes the incel moral panic is overblown; most incels are lonely not violent.

Kentucky prenatal child support bill / abortion / men's reproductive rights

Brian raises Kentucky Senate bill allowing child support for unborn children. Bethany argues men should share medical costs if woman has no choice. Extended debate between Brian and Bethany on pro-choice vs male financial obligations. Andrew notes logical inconsistency of supporting abortion but mandating male financial support. Brian coins phrase 'Bronze Age pro-lifer' for pro-choice women who demand male responsibility. Bethany's position evolves toward supporting some male choice framework.

OnlyFans / sex work attitudes

Brian asks who does OnlyFans. Only Anastasia does. She says she plans to stop when she has kids. Bethany, Jackal, Christine, Monique all decline for various reasons (relationship, faith, standards). Discussion of Anastasia's escorting history (started at 16 in foster care, platonic only).

Christianity, body count, and converting to faith

Andrew poses hypothetical: would Brian choose a high body count woman who adopted Christianity over same body count woman who didn't? Brian concedes he'd pick the Christian woman. Andrew warns about women using Christian conversion to appear more virtuous to men. Christine (not a virgin, now celibate) explains her faith journey. Debate on whether 'born again abstinence' is genuine or a dating strategy.

Relationship ratings (self-rating round)

Panel asked to rate their looks 1-10. Anastasia: 8 personal / 10 to loved ones / 6 public. Bethany: 6. Martina: 6. Christine: 7-8. Hannah: 10 in hometown / 7.5 poll average / 5 self-rated. Monique: 8. Andrew: 4 (Brian said he's underselling). Brian: 'can't pick 7'.

Porn addiction debate (Martina's divorce story)

Martina discusses separation from husband citing porn/alcohol addiction. Claims porn is harder to quit than heroin; references 'Fight the New Drug' (Salt Lake City charity). Brian and Andrew push back skeptically. Martina describes edging. Andrew checks the Fight the New Drug website live; notes the evidence is less extreme than Martina claims. Martina also espouses no-sunglasses and barefoot grounding philosophy. Could not name a single Pink Floyd song despite wearing their t-shirt.

Platonic escorting / Anastasia's background

Brian probes Anastasia's background in sex-adjacent work. She started platonic escorting at 16 while in foster care (influenced by a friend). Currently does stripping and OnlyFans, is in a relationship. Has accepted $300/hr for platonic lunch dates. Never done prostitution.

Trans dating / homosexuality debate

Bethany says she is pansexual and would date a trans person if she loved them. Brian states sleeping with a trans woman is not straight. Andrew argues the definition of homosexual/heterosexual is based on biological sex not gender. Panel split on whether a fully-transitioned MTF person constitutes 'a woman'.

Bowing to husband debate (Hannah)

Brian shows video of a woman bowing to her husband at the door. Hannah refuses to bow to a human, only to God. Andrew and Brian debate whether the bow is compatible with Christianity. Andrew bows in church to his priest. Hannah eventually agrees to curtsy. Discussion of Hannah's septum nose ring (got it because she likes cows).

Dating app behavior / first date dynamics

Brian complains women on first dates don't reciprocate conversation. Anastasia says she prefers to pay on first dates. Discussion of men paying vs women simping. Brian says optimal move is man pays; recommends coffee dates over food for easy exit.

Child support laws / draft / military / patriarchy

Anastasia argues women are not privileged because they are exempt from the draft; says the draft was imposed on women by men and women never chose it. Andrew and Brian disagree - exemption from conscription is a privilege. Extended debate on women in combat roles, physical standards, wage gap. Anastasia concedes combat roles suit men better physically but argues pay should be equal.

Feminist guest kicked out (~5:30 mark)

An unnamed guest (diarized under SPEAKER_04) became increasingly combative with Andrew. She called Andrew a 'little bitch' and used profanity toward the panel. Brian had already started telling her to leave before the verbal escalation. Guest was removed from the show. Brian referenced this in the closing.

Tweet reaction: flaker's social media

Brian reacts to tweets from the girl who was in the show thumbnail but flaked. Her tweets showed non-traditional/provocative content, contradicting her claim to be traditional. Brian read out multiple tweets and commented on inconsistency between 'traditional' self-presentation and actual posts.

Transcript

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Anastasia (Pandana)I just is it in the the King James I just made it the up when the father and his sons died because they refuse to Bow before a

Andrew Wilsonfalse idol that could be why she feels so not before a false idol that's insane I just don't

Brian Atlasbelieve I will I will do H almost anything wait can I ask can I ask I got a question you said you do almost anything else yes are are you waiting

Brian Atlasuntil marriage no you've had carnal knowledge yes okay this is what's I I can try to frame this as a question but like it's so interesting to me you can ask

Brian Atlaswomen would you bow for let's say you were weird your your boyfriend whatever was weird like me he just wanted a girl to bow it wasn't like anything crazy it's a very simple motion to actually

Brian Atlasundergo and a lot of women would be like oh I don't know if I can do that but what if your husband wants wants to I'm going to be a bit vulgar here put on

Brian Atlasyour ear muffs if any of you are uh you know whatever you'll have women who refuse to like cook their husband a meal I will cook you food okay great or

Brian Atlasyou'll have women who refuse to Bow but they'll happily allow their boyfriend to blast all over their face I there I

Brian Atlassaid it oh oh you want just a facial huh but you won't bow you won't make a sandwich but you'll

Martinalet me bust a nut on your face what huh so I have a question so bowing is a asan like a Asian form of respect that's right cultural appropriation I'm

Brian Atlasculturally appropriating I mean no I'm I'm I'm asking is isn't that disrespectful by culturation well okay I'm making a joke I'm making a joke but actually if you watch the tutors and

Martinathey're bowing yeah the West bowed where did you get the idea that this is just Asian no no what I'm saying is that in certain cultures this

Martinais a way to show respect if if we grew up in a culture where this is normal to show respect I would show respect to my significant other in million other ways

Martinaif you ask me to Bow I'll bow I mean if that gets you off well hold on let's see it bust it up you want me to let's see about right now I mean it's it's unfortunate you're not my

Andrew Wilsonsignificant other but I would this brings this brings up a question which is uh to ask this are you saying that

HannahJapanese Christians who bow are not real Christians no okay what makes them still real Christians it's it's my my personal

Hannahopinion on bowing because it's part of their culture they can do it right I'm saying but for me I just I don't believe in that but what if you're I do not I do not believe in that for me but what if

Hannahyour husband you don't want to right you just don't want to I don't I don't nothing sinful about it there's nothing bad do not want to bow to my husband I I do not want to bow to another human who

Hannahis flawed because I believe that there are certain actions that you should only give to God okay would would you not agree that will you curtsy I'm sorry will you coming at will you coming in

Andrew Wilsoncurtsy yeah let's see I will curtsy she'll curtsy okay what is what is the difference between curtsy and the bow I just feel like I feel as though a

Hannahbow is more I think that a bow is more respectful than a curtsy boundaries why so because because when you when you

Andrew Wilsoncurtsy you're upright and when you bow you're in a more vulnerable position no no proper curtesy I think you bow the front of your head as well wait what can I just say Cy not just like a

Brian Atlasdude yeah but I think you bow your head down with it you you also kind of do Bow your head a little bit bow your head down curtsy wait what so is your primary

Brian Atlasthing like you're putting yourself in this like vulnerable position is that it would you be little spoon would you be little spoon while

Brian Atlascuddling your husband you realize how much more vulnerable of a position it is to be little spoon with your husband this guy's a jiujitsu 10th degree black belt he'll sink in the

Brian Atlaswhat is it called he'll sink it in what do you sinking in bro rear naked choke he's sinking in the rear naked choke boom you're done no wait what no no what I'll be the

Martinabig spoon and I'll do the chck you've never been little spoon I have but I don't like it oh she does oh so so talking about um Jiu-Jitsu every class we bow to the coaches and the Masters

Martinathis shi's like a vegan I mean I mean for they always got what I'm saying is to to show respect in any way you should show respect and maybe you should be humbled she doesn't want to

MartinaBow bro I mean if if you walk into like let's just say hypothetically you walk into a jitu gym and in the beginning of class everybody

Martinadoes a bow are you going to say no because you don't want I just won't participate in in the activity that requires that I mean I mean do you do you bow when you when you go to class

Martinaexactly because because you need to be humbled and show some respect and maybe um put down your ego a little bit but my point is I believe that there are certain actions that belong to God and I

Hannahthink that bowing is a I I believe that bowing is a very very respectful in the Bible is codified that that it's like

Andrew Wilsonyou can't bow in the in she just got done saying it's cultural so she says it's cultural and Christians in different cultures can bow and it's non offense to God how in the

Hannahworld can she say in her culture it is that makes no sense for me it is an action that I do not give to another man or another human it is an action that I

Hannahwould only give to God so it's just it's your own personal it is my own personal thing I will not bow to a human because I look at it as such a high form of respect that only God deserves well I

Andrew Wilsonbow to my priest when I'm in Divine Liturgy does that mean that I'm a fake Christian then no it's her personal it is my personal opinion she just doesn't want to it's

Hannahkind of weird so is it just your personal opinion then that nobody should bow unless it's in front of God no because I look at it as such a high form

Hannahof respect that only God deserves if you look at it and you're like oh it's just common respect and common courtesy then okay it's just an action to you it's not the action itself it's the meaning

Brian Atlasbehind the action that's so that okay here hold on we're going to move on here but uh last thing on the bow thing I noticed you're wearing the septum the

Brian Atlasthe the septum piercing if your husband was like yo get rid of that are you going to do it sure sure yeah if he doesn't like I got

HannahI will tell you why I got it I got it because of cows oh you got it I love cows and cows have nose rings so I got a nose ring

Andrew Wilsonbecause I love cows the that's my reasoning behind it hey the uh the the idol that comes to your mind in

HannahChristianity is a golden what calf oh yeah I just think I just think cows are cute so I got it because I was like I want to be cute like a cow it that was it's literally that's

Hannahit's literally my stupid logic behind it your boyfriend says I don't want you wearing that okay take that off I can flip it up he's in Maryland I can I can flip it up and then when he puts a

Brian Atlasring on it I'll remove it permanently oh well all right there sorry I'm sorry that's good I'm proud of you I'm proud we're making progress all right we have

Brian Atlasgg gg says oh my God it's lagging again it it just was up he said be honest have you actually thought about this before tonight thought about what the Bowing thing I guess I don't

Brian Atlasknow oh I decided to argue with you on that oh cool thanks for wasting a time I said a while ago okay Raphael C barlati root I don't know what currency this

Bethanyis you can read it since you're kind of laughing at it go oh I can't oh okay Jesus these women on the right end of the table are so annoying and like to Signal virtues that

Brian Atlasif I weren't gay and she was the only woman in the world I would still choose to be gay or priest sweet thank you Raphael um we have this one oh sorry guys there's a

Hannahbit of lag can you read this one oh my goodness the girl in the background is what the

Hannahis that word schinger ringers Christian the one who is W the one who was without ever having been that was beautiful thank you Raa what does that

Andrew Wilsonmean it's a good question well so it's it's a it's a old experiment it's called schinger cat you look into

Brian Atlasit hell yeah brother oh I unstarred the a God damn it okay oops hold on sorry guys I

Brian Atlassomething up okay wait we're done with those we have few more show notes Here we have wait wait hold

Christineon hold on here you submitted notes not not recently the second one not the second one what's your name again sorry

Christineit's course correct I thought I had notes here for you hold on maybe I didn't oh okay well any I didn't get to

Brian Atlassubmit one uh good any uh any topics you'd like to touch on um no not really really okay yeah uh okay so I have a

Brian Atlascouple more things then uh we could come back to the poly stuff we did this we did we did that did that did that oh

Brian Atlasright we have to react to uh the tweets but first we need to react to the thumbnail wait actually let me pull this one up if it's let me see I don't know

Brian Atlasif it's going to trigger oh there's lag I'll have to do it later can you pull up the thumbnail Nick all right here's the thumbnail for this episode that girl on the right there this uh flaked out on us

Brian Atlastwo hours before shoot uh I didn't have time time to change the thumbnail but uh cuz she flaked now she flak she's

Brian Atlasactually supposed to be on Tuesdays our last Tu days Tuesday show but she flaked on that one and she'd actually I mean normally I'm not as forgiving uh but the first time she had a good excuse so

Brian Atlasshe's flaked a total of three times first time she flaked decently in advance but then she flaked on Tuesday for the second time 3 hours before the show her flight got delayed I don't know if that's true whatever then she flaked

Brian Atlasagain today which makes me think that maybe this was some sort of uh potential sabotage the tweets won't load you're going to have to wait until oh great

Brian Atlasokay well you Nick you know how The Internet's been like better or worse try to load it up once it's working better okay uh and you might have to press Refresh on those have you tried it

Brian Atlasrecently yeah I just did okay well after we're going to it looks like it's looking a little better can you try one more time um actually no it still doesn't look great we're going to react

Brian Atlasto some tweets hopefully in a little bit but uh oh is this not going to trigger sorry guys it's really bad we had a TTS coming living donated sorry it's not

Brian Atlastriggering yet we're going to wait here a bit we're having some internet issues um let me get through a couple things here one sec one sec guys sorry couple

Brian Atlastechnical issues internet issues oh okay okay here we go uh let's talk you're going around the table who's a feminist show feminist do you consider

Brian Atlasyourself a feminist I don't consider myself a v really oh okay what's that Nick the mic okay any other feminists at

Brian Atlasthe table any feminist no nope any man haters is there any lady

Brian Atlashaters Gustavo okay all right uh I want to read I'm gonna give you guys some prompts oh

Brian Atlasdid I do the whole anybody here disagree with me on anything I don't think I did that anybody before I get to her does anybody over not including her disagree

Brian Atlaswith me on anything anything you heard tonight or maybe you've seen the show before anything you've seen in previous shows we'll start there other than the Bowing now okay go

Anastasia (Pandana)ahead matter of fact it's not even like a disagreement so much it's more a question what is with you and the draft and the affiliation of that with females

Brian Atlasbeing privileged so do you think it's not a privilege

Brian Atlasto not wait do you think how do I frame this do you think it is not a privilege to not be subject to forced military

Anastasia (Pandana)conscription you're not going kind of like my answer okay go ahead uh I think that the draft was created by Henry Wilson right and like yeah it was like first created by Henry Wilson a man

Brian Atlasright the ideology I'm not familiar with the draft like specifically with the United States but forced military conscription military yeah like for men it wasn't invented in whatever year you

Anastasia (Pandana)think it that's something that's gone on for all of human history no for sure I'm saying and not invented like the term draft saying the US draft established the US the US draft cuz in other countries they

Anastasia (Pandana)include women they there are countries that include women no besides Israel women are not is there might be a with that being said my point is um the

Anastasia (Pandana)implementation of the draft was created by a man and I feel that it does treat women as though they are inadequate or inequal more so I would love to serve in

Brian Atlasthe military so I am bi there's there's like a million different things there so let me I I want to address those so uh

Brian Atlasyou said that it treats women it it views women as what again um in incapable or inadequate okay so we'll start there but we're in need of

Brian Atlasprotection by men okay so first let's just get this out of the way who's physically stronger men or women men men and the average weight of a man outweighs a woman so okay and you said you would like to join the military

Anastasia (Pandana)there's nothing preventing you from joining the military I've tried I have to remove some tattoos okay well that would that would apply to men too no I'm not saying that

Anastasia (Pandana)like it's my my gender is restricting me from joining the military I'm saying that it's I think it's unfair that women are not a part of the draft but not

Andrew Wilsonbecause they are privileged I think I won't uh I won't cut in for long I just wanted to know what was the gentleman name that you cited as the creator of conscription in the United States Henry

Anastasia (Pandana)Wilson and then what year I didn't say a year yeah I know but what year roughly I don't remember Henry Wilson is his same Henry

Anastasia (Pandana)Wilson you can like check don't you can tell me if I'm wrong but I'm

Brian Atlasnot now that's confirming um yeah with that being said I mean I see something about also he was a us uh born 1793 died

Brian Atlas1872 was a US Army officer who served in five Wars and countless conflicts I don't see anything about unless this is there's I mean Henry Wilson instead of just Googling his name perhaps Google

Anastasia (Pandana)like who imposed the draft in the US it's that simple and you'll see him we could but I'm also failing to see how it's at all relevant I'm just saying like it was a decision made by man it's

Andrew Wilsonnot um a even matter this is um this is actually incorrect conscription happened long before Henry Wilson put in an

Andrew Wilsonofficial draft act when but when did it but we've had conscription since the Inception of the

Andrew Wilsonnation including through the militia so just letting you know that it is true uh that as far as an off as far as an official draft act no conscription had been going on in the United States for

Brian Atlaslong before that I mean so what's your point you're saying that well it's men who a singular men I think men well a singular men on

Anastasia (Pandana)representation of at the time like a Congress and do like okay so full of men so men determined that we could not serve in the draft we didn't ask for that we are not privileged with that

Brian Atlasthat is a man-given law that is imposed on us we don't have a say in that it's like so frustrating debating with you because like you're welcome

Brian Atlasyou're you don't really make a coherent point but if you say so okay

Anastasia (Pandana)so what is your point exactly um my point was that you claim we are privileged because of that I don't think we are furthermore there are societal

Brian Atlasdisadvantages that are proven between like men and women that were still like um the wage gap of course that's been totally debunked there is no wage Gap there's there's earnings Gap and that's

Anastasia (Pandana)because men work different jobs and work more hours than women um no in the same like it's proven that like male doctors make like 20 grand a

Brian Atlasyear on average more than women what if they're okay I haven't seen the specific data you're referencing that's that's new specifically to field that's new

Andrew Wilsonspecifically to field yeah what if why field that they can both get in hang on because especially male surgeons are

Andrew Wilsonin fi specifically that pay far more for instance if you're a heart doctor versus a toe doctor or Proctologist you may get paid a lot more that's why that's the case when you break down by field that is not the case I would have to look

Brian Atlasinto that statistic you may be read I don't know but I do know here let's let's bring it back to I I want to try to yeah uh move rewind the wage thing actually into the military so do you

Brian Atlasthink women should be paid the same as men yeah so what what do you think about for example in jobs where there's an

Brian Atlasexpectation of having to lift heavy things or physically laborious jobs do you think for example in the military men and women should be paid equally I

Anastasia (Pandana)think they should be paid equally and be given jobs that they are capable of will excel in why why is it then for example when it comes to soldiers when it comes

Brian Atlasto police police officers when it comes to fire Fighters why are the physical requirements for women lower than for men I didn't know that they are I didn't

Brian Atlasknow that if it was the case far fewer women get this affirmative action to actually even participate I to like simplify it and to reference to like one of your other shows though I think it's as simple as like you said hold on let

Brian Atlasme make this even way simpler let's say there's a job that says you need to carry 200 lb from point A to point B and that's just a straight line and let's say that men are more physically capable

Brian Atlasof doing that job and they can do it faster and they can go back and forth more times in a given day do you think women should be paid the same as men given that in a day over the course of a

Anastasia (Pandana)day they're going to perhaps have an output that's 50% that of men I think women should be paid the same as men and I think people's work performance generally is constantly assessed and if

Anastasia (Pandana)someone's under performing then that will be addressed but more so I also think as Andrew and you have referenced in the past we have guns like in the

Anastasia (Pandana)military which as you guys have said verbatim yourself make equal men and women or are the best like I can't I I don't want to paraphrase Andrew but he

Anastasia (Pandana)said something of their about in like your last podcast so like as both of them can shoot I don't think one should be paid less than the other there's a lot more

Anastasia (Pandana)to the military than just SHO I agree I think they should paid the same they have the same abilities and they're capable of the same abilities yeah do you think do you think that a soldiers Duties are limited to shooting

Anastasia (Pandana)no I think they go beyond that and I think there's jobs like that um people like Society suggests are more feminine oriented like nurses in the military too

Andrew Wilsonback to this back to this military do you think that soldiers are limited to shooting or do you think that they have to carry large quantities of gear be physically no well no I mean anybody who's in combat is going to have to

Anastasia (Pandana)carry large amount of GE yeah yeah yeah that's reasonable I think like if you are aren't men going to be better at doing that than women carrying gear I

Anastasia (Pandana)think the gear is I think you're you're heavily exaggerating the weight of that women wear those uniforms all the time how much do you think on average a soldier carries in gear I couldn't tell

Anastasia (Pandana)you I'm not one to guess weight or anything I don't I wouldn't know but I know that women wear those uniforms and carry that gear not at the same amount

Andrew Wilsonthey did it's of it's often 70 plus pounds okay they're carrying all day uh but it could be much heavier upwards of 100 pounds do you think that men or women are going to be more equipped to

Anastasia (Pandana)do that on average I mean like I said like men are physically heavier so they physically have a mass in which can carry more but I don't think that up to

Anastasia (Pandana)100 lb is out of either grown person's like General ability yeah no it is outside the

Andrew Wilsonperview of most women's uh abilities to carry around all day long not that could what's that I could definitely carry 100 lb and I'm sure I'm not the only woman

Anastasia (Pandana)in this room that could could you carry it around all day long uh put me in a military suit let's find out I mean do

Anastasia (Pandana)you think most women could um I think the human body is capable of a lot of things yeah I think the human body is very strong and very um persevering and

Andrew Wilsonyeah adaptive if this is the case then how come it is that women when they go out for special services selection have not been able to make the cut and why is

Andrew Wilsonit that the Infantry has had lower standards for order to hang on in order for women to pass the cut why are the standards lower for women with the

Anastasia (Pandana)physical requirements inside of the military I didn't know they were so you're asking me a question that I already acknowledged I was like unaware the same thing police hang on it's the same thing with police it's the same

Andrew Wilsonthing for most of those types of jobs the standards the physical standards are less they they're less rigorous for women than they are for men why do why would you think that that was if you had to guess I would guess it's

Anastasia (Pandana)proportionate to like our average masses and our average like capabilities like of course I'm not denying I totally age I still think they're capable yeah so this would mean on average so that men are far

Andrew Wilsonbetter suited for that role right I mean so if you were in charge of having an armed services uh of the United States and you were to have to choose between resources

Andrew Wilsonhow much are you going to allocate resources to the soldiers who are fighting in the battles versus the one who were supporting the fighters in the battle and you were able to determine that one sex was far more capable at

Anastasia (Pandana)fighting the battles than the other which one would you allocate your resources towards um you're saying this like the people that fight the heaviest get paid the most in the military which isn't

Andrew Wilsontrue anyway so you're I'm not saying like that at all ask again I'm going to ask this question again if you had to allocate resources between support roles and combat roles and you found that one

Anastasia (Pandana)sex predominantly was far better at the combat role than the support role which way would you allocate your resources you're you're saying this as

Andrew Wilsonif there's only two roles and if you're hypothetical is only I'm literally saying this as though there could be thousands of combat roles and thousands of support roles but you find that one sex is dominant in the combat roles okay

Anastasia (Pandana)yeah and you have the resources I'm denying which way are you alloca but there's so many other roles like I'm not denying what you're saying I'm agreeing like yeah like the roles that are better

Anastasia (Pandana)suited for like the a higher tier of physical strength are going to be allotted to the higher um biological sex's gender tier of

Andrew Wilsonphysical strength with is which is men I'm not denying that but you're still dancing around the point I made that there's so many hours on end uh for days on end carrying huge amounts of gear

Andrew Wilsonfighting day and night you would allocate your resources towards men right okay wouldn't you I I already like

Andrew Wilsonagreed with that part I'm just waiting for the the punch line well the the punch line now that we've gotten through this is to just say that generally speaking then if you have to allocate

Andrew Wilsonresource what kind of military you want why wouldn't you try to make standards that towards men that's going to make a better military right I'm sorry you got to you got to say that one

Andrew Wilsonmore time it's a the the point did point I'm sorry if you can allocate all of the resources of your nation towards a mostly male fighting force or mostly

Anastasia (Pandana)female fighting force which one would you do I already answered this I already answered this to to the fight the combat Force we just

Anastasia (Pandana)established I guess combat is better suited if it requires heavier lifting than technically physically for

Anastasia (Pandana)men but combat as I stated for like mult times combat is not the only role in the military by any stretch of the

Andrew Wilsonimagination yeah but every other role is to support people in combat roles tell that to like Air Force officers they would tell you that people

Andrew Wilsonin support roles in the military know that their job is to support people in combat roles that's the point okay why would that not be the point the job of the americ American Military is

Andrew Wilsonto kill our enemies both foreign and domestic all support roles are in the Endeavor of supporting the people who do that killing on our

Andrew Wilsonbehalf that's what they're there to do they're not there to do anything else but to kill the enemies of the United States both foreign and domestic that's it that's their whole role nothing but

Andrew Wilsontheir role the military does other things besides just mass murder but like I hear you I'm not I didn't say m murder what are you talking I said that their role is to kill the enemies of the

Andrew WilsonUnited States both foreign and domestic that's their job their job's not to go hand out food at soup kitchens their job is to kill the enemies of the United States

Anastasia (Pandana)that's their job they have various jobs we're not in the military to speak on their jobs they get special missions all the time that we can't even like fathom that are in

Andrew Wilsonorder to retrieve items and things of that like we can't speak on that you're not in the military to even like can I just interrupt that have to do with anything like what is that who care

Andrew Wilsontheir secret missions are all there and designed to assist and people who are in the world the enemies of the United States that's their job literally that's

Martinatheir job I I don't mean to interrupt um but if uh everyone in this table did Jiu-Jitsu you wouldn't question bro

Martinalet me just say you would not question how physical guys are versus ladies you wouldn't question their strength you would know that you have very little their strength well you're you're

Martinaputting the strength of males and the strength okay hold on let me let me try to it humbles you a lot St here let me let me have a little bit of a back and

Andrew Wilsonforth with her on this um all right just I just had one question before before before you turn it over Brian just one question if you could choose jiujitsu

Andrew Wilsonlady between if if we had no gun of any kind and it was just the militaries both knew jiujitsu would you allocate your resources towards male Jiu-Jitsu

MartinaFighters or female Jiu-Jitsu Fighters asking me or her are are you asking me no Jiu-Jitsu lady Jiu-Jitsu lady okay I'm um well that that was my whole point that there's no

Martinacompetition what there's a reason why females fight females and guys fight guys there's no competition what's the point of women learning Jiu-Jitsu that with a man can still beat them up with

Martinano experience about it's about um there's no point to doing it it's about learning self-defense and learning how to be humbled but it's useless if a man is more is is stronger than you wait I got

Martinaquestion it's absolutely not because um the idea is that hopefully whoever is stupid enough to attack me I have um leverage because I have knowledge but you just think acknowledge that the men

Martinawould win oh absolutely I I know how it is to be hit um and it's not fun but at least I know how it is hardest lady on the whole panel right

Brian Atlasthere from a dating perspective I want to ask you cuz you do jiujitsu right I would have some hesitations dating a woman who did

Brian Atlasjiujitsu because invariably she's going to be in these mixed mixed gender classes and men are going to be touching her and I know you know look it's

Brian Atlasprobably Innocent but on some level I feel that kind of and I don't know if the chat feels the same way I would feel a bit

Brian Atlasuncomfortable with my girlfriend or wife being that physical with men cuz you roll with men right yes but that's why

Brian Atlaswe have female classes right but something I I I don't know if that like I would not feel comfortable uh with my girl going to jiujitsu and like

Martinaroll the way I see it is there's a no homo rule where I'm I'm doing it to gain some skills and um honestly if someone

Hannahwere to attack me um they would be on top of me either way but the point of training is so that you prepare for real

Hannahlife scenarios so you would need to spar with men which brings it back to its point which I do yeah but then again there's no point to learning Jiu-Jitsu

Martinaare you are you asking me if the guys that I go against use their full strength against me CU they do not then there's no point in training with them no there is it's it's called learning

Martinaand it's called failing and then jumping back in and trying again I know but in a real world situation that's not my question that's

Martinanot my question if if and wait what it's a dating question it's just like oh um well I don't care about the self-defense my question is why aren't you doing

Brian AtlasJiu-Jitsu with your girlfriend or wife aren't you in the class with her I I just feel like it's maybe

Brian Atlasmaybe uh there's some degree of impropriety of your girlfriend or wife wrestling and rolling around with other

Martinamen I think that is not I could be wrong I don't know I feel like that's a insecurity but if you were there with her you would

Martinaknow what do you mean well that that's just your imagination getting getting the best of you because you're you're I think she's saying Mak it a couple's

Brian Atlasactivity I think that's what she saying definitely be a couple's activity like can't you just buy a gun fact like just buy a gun just buy a gun if you want to

Brian Atlasdefend yourself don't roll around with with dudes I don't know I can't believe I'm agreeing so I don't know so let's say you were to attack me right now and I

Brian Atlasdidn't have a gun I don't care about the self-defense component of it I feel like it's a little there's a degree of impropriety if you're dating a girl or

Brian Atlasmarried to a girl and she's like rolling around grappling with men and I say this as somebody who wrestled in high school so I'm not like I don't

Brian Atlashave the and I I don't have this like unfamiliarity with grappling I do I wrestled in high school and I wrestled with there were girls on the team and we wrestled just something about it makes

Brian Atlasme feel a little bit uncomfortable if I was dating somebody who was involved in grappling I don't know this literally happened to Tom

Brian AtlasBrady I think oh it did it yeah Jazelle bunin oh people in the chat keep saying Tom Brady so uh oh yeah she cheated on him apparently oh God bro that's another

Brian Atlasreason why you shouldn't get married boys because even if you're Tom Brady you're still going to get cheated on um find better women this is a dating podcast right how come you never have couples on here

Brian Atlaswe've had couples on here you have I haven't seen a couple times it's pretty rare though um so uh I don't know why the chat's coming

Brian Atlasfor me on this one like it's weird but uh wait okay so hold on so your whole thing is you you object to

Anastasia (Pandana)the draft no I don't object to it I think it should be equal and I think I don't think it should be equal for the same reason you do I I think it should

Anastasia (Pandana)be equal just like you I don't think we are privileged that's what I was leading because you always affiliate the draft with woman being absolutely a privilege I don't think women in society are privileged you don't think women are

Brian Atlasprivileged do you think men are privileged um they historically are it's proven okay so what right do you think men have do you mean it's proven let me just have a little back and forth like

Anastasia (Pandana)we're in a a shifting former patriarchy okay so do you think men have more rights than women um I'd say now they've

Anastasia (Pandana)gotten pretty equal but there's still like um lingering patriarchal connotations that need to be wiped what's the patriarchy the patriarchy is

Anastasia (Pandana)um well by definition it's like a society that that kind of oppressed woman and like promoted like like was in favor and of

Brian Atlasmen a patriarchy is a society that like oppressed women and is in favor of men it has been historically yeah okay

Anastasia (Pandana)patriarchy was um historically soet societies where men were in charge and women were which what percentage of men do you think were in charge that's a good question I couldn't tell you okay

Brian Atlasso if I told you that less than 1% of men were ever in it's probably way no it's way less than 1% of men I'd believe it so okay but I also think there's

Brian Atlasstill not enough under this patriarchy under this supposed patriarchy are women oppressed um yeah they were are women oppressed in the United

Anastasia (Pandana)day like now not like they used to be I think we're we're exiting oppression but I think like I said like it's just like I'm trying to think of how to phrase

Anastasia (Pandana)this badly it's like I don't feel women in society this day and age are still oppressed but I feel like it was so recent that it lingers and we as women

Anastasia (Pandana)still need to like work our way to the top even more we are still not entirely equal in certain sex we now have the ability to be but it's going to take time to get there for instance we only

Anastasia (Pandana)represent like a small percentage like 19% not even of all of uh like Congress and not and much less in the other sects of um leadership and let me ask you a

Brian Atlasquestion related to that so if male politicians Pander to Women Voters anyways what does it actually

Brian Atlasmatter like since we're voting for them saying so male politicians typically aren't pandering to for for like

Brian Atlaspandering by pandering I'm sorry they Pander to women like for appeal to women's uh emotions appeal to their various causes it's very rare that

Brian Atlasyou've ever heard a politician ever appeal for anything that relates to men's rights or anything like that oh so what truthfully it wouldn't even matter

Anastasia (Pandana)well I disagree because um there are politicians that are in favor of and and promote big business and a lot of those big businesses are run by men so it perpetuates the patriarch okay so

Anastasia (Pandana)you're that's a bunch of word salad that you just threw out there so okay so are women oppressed under this patriarchy um this day and age I think our modern laws are not oppressive but I

Anastasia (Pandana)think we're still recovering from a formerly oppressive patriarchy okay so how were women oppressed um we didn't have the right to vote we didn't have the right we didn't

Anastasia (Pandana)now women finally own more homes than men we didn't have the right to a a mortgage till recently till like 1973 didn't women not want the right to vote correct me if I'm wrong I don't believe

Brian Atlasthat's I think they fought for the right to vote well it's interesting you women were able to secure the right to vote without the corresponding responsibility of being subject to forced military

Anastasia (Pandana)conscription I mean I don't agree with that that was imposed by men okay you're it's almost it's always victim blaming basically VI men are victims now no it's

Brian Atlaslike this weird victim blaming thing of like well who the victim who whose fault is that well it's men so in a victims well in an arena you are a victim I empathize I would actually yes I would

Brian Atlasargue that in a lot of ways men are victims for example men are much more likely to be incarcerated men are much more likely to be homeless men are much more likely to uh Comm suicide men are

Anastasia (Pandana)much much less likely to go to university men are much more likely to get a higher education men have a higher rate of sociopathy and so sociopath not true they

Brian AtlasRec jail there's a very recent would you make that same argument when it comes to race what would you make that would you

Anastasia (Pandana)make that same argument when it comes to race you're saying men are more violent you're saying men are more violent are like literally diagnosed more often as Psychopaths and sociopaths something

Anastasia (Pandana)they're Bor you realize criminality is a very very small percentage of men in jail the population is estimated to be 10 to 20% Psychopaths or sociopaths when they make up less than 1% of the world

Brian Atlasand it's Prim sure okay dark Triad mental illness absolutely contributes criminality okay

Brian Atlasso I don't even know like you're so like the way you argue is so weird and annoying it's like hard to

Brian Atlasengage with you okay so I listed a couple ways in which men are disadvantaged okay I can give you some more uh so also men upon birth a lot of

Brian Atlasthem in this country most of them in this country are uh they have no bodily autonomy so they're for they're uh circumcised and I think that that should be something that you know you should be able to choose able to consent to

Brian Atlasperhaps when you're 18 uh so there's a few and then of course there's the forc military conscription so I mean yes if you actually like were to add up the ways in which men are

Brian Atlasdisadvantaged and compare them to women I'm actually prepared to make an argument that men are more disadvantaged in a myriad of ways than women are I'm sorry you feel that way it's not it's

TTS/Donationsnot how I feel kilo of cereal donated $100 a white male a black female and a half asian half Native American hermaphrodite all grew up in the same

Brian Atlashousehold they all get the same benefits in life White Privilege is a myth thank you Killa of Serial you said you said in a kind of flippant

Brian Atlasdismissive way you said that you're sorry I feel that way well I don't just feel that way i' because you said I don't agree that you are more oppressed but if you feel you are then I

Brian Atlasauthentically empathize with you for what you feel okay so I just listed out a bunch of ways that it's not just how I feel men are experiencing life it's actually statistically proven there's

Anastasia (Pandana)studies there's data that you can look at ibut like the jail study I didn't you didn't reut yeah the jail statement but there were further on that list so let

Brian Atlasme ask okay let me ask you a question do you do you feel that uh African-Americans are um are victims of a sort of systemically

Brian Atlasracist uh system when it comes to incarceration yes okay so if we look at statistics then we can actually make far more how about actually before let me

Brian Atlaswalk it back a bit do you think that the police misconduct police brutality police killings of African-Americans is

Brian Atlasevidence of racism and or systemic racism or racism in this country it has been okay so what if I told you if we were to for example if we've made

Brian Atlascomparisons of police killings between white men and black men per capita what if I told you that something that blows that statistic way out of the water is

Brian Atlasthe discrepancy in police brutality and police killings between men and women so women are less likely in general to go so there's a bigger

Brian Atlasthere's an even bigger Gap so if we're if we're comparing white to black there's an even bigger gap between men and women so would that then be evidence of systemic

Anastasia (Pandana)sexism um if the data represents it then yeah I don't know the exact statistics I've just provided it for you no you didn't give me exact numbers and figures no I don't know okay well here's an

Brian Atlasexample there are more white men who are killed by police than there are women who are killed by police of all Races

Brian Atlascombined but there's more white men in um America than other races of no I said all all Races of women combined that

Anastasia (Pandana)includes white women it includes black women Latino women other I I vers as wom got it um then that stems back to the point I was St stating before about how

Brian Atlasmen have a higher rate of soci okay so take that to its logical conclusion are you prepared to make that same argument for uh against black men that they have a higher rate of

Anastasia (Pandana)sociopathy and psychopathy than women no than white men you need to be no I don't think ah interesting okay so you so you're basically been like targeted

Anastasia (Pandana)by the police historically it's proven like it's documented it's proven but I mean we can agree to disagree on that if that's how you feel like I I've seen like the videos I know of the data I

Anastasia (Pandana)know like I don't know the exact figures so you could educate me on those argue with me on them whatever floats your boat but I know that like yeah there is systemic oppression that's affected

Brian AtlasAfrican-American people Yeah by police like there's been racist police brutality there sure there has been but do you think just because for example let's say uh a black man is killed by

Brian Atlaspolice does it necessarily mean he was killed because he was black um no it doesn't mean that it

Anastasia (Pandana)doesn't guarantee that okay but it's happens sure yeah sure okay

Brian Atlascool oh my God like ridiculous

Brian Atlasum should I just restate my position and I feel like you've failed to actually make a compelling argument I feel like the conversation just ended out of nowhere like what what

Brian Atlaswhat point are you trying to like make well again when I I listed and I enumerated a couple ways in which men are disadvantaged and we clearly have to

Brian Atlasagree to disagree on the jail statistics but furthermore okay so fine let me just even though I'm prepared even even if I'm prepared to argue that let me just totally concede the jail okay next

Brian Atlasproblems okay so suicidality men are much more likely to commit suicide in this country also men are much more likely to be homeless let's tackle those two I agree and I empathize highly with that I do do you yeah I do doesn't but

Brian Atlasyou just said that I think men need better Mental Health Resources but your position was your position was that men are not disadvantaged I never said they're not

Anastasia (Pandana)disadvantaged women are more disadvantaged women are not privileged in contrast to currently tell me something tell tell me a way in which women are

Anastasia (Pandana)disadvantaged we're compared to men we're like 80 not 80 times um I want to get these statistic 100% right and I

Anastasia (Pandana)don't want to sound vulgar we are I guess five times more likely to get

Brian Atlassa I mean it depends on your definition of that and then if you in if you incorporate for example men who are Essa in prison facilities then actually my understanding is that they're

Anastasia (Pandana)Incorporated in that statistic and no it's not equalized I'm I would have to the data women are like five at least five times more likely to be trafficked

Anastasia (Pandana)to we are literally still on on a global scale still victimized by the patriarchy that hence like s trafficking

Anastasia (Pandana)rings and things of that nature s work SE sex work we could say that yeah sex work sex work I'm

Anastasia (Pandana)thoroughly convinced was established by men because men are policing it to this

Anastasia (Pandana)day so women have no agency they do thank God I think that's why women nowadays feel empowered by only fans as they've stated because it's them being

Andrew Wilsonable to like control themselves and navigate their own bodies and not be patriarchy Institute sex work and the women with patriarch has participate in the sex work this is a genius

Anastasia (Pandana)argument um I think you can't hate sex workers when men are constantly Abus losing sux

Andrew Wilsonworkers why would let's assume for a second that um I don't know the essay rates were 1,000 times between the Sexes how would that prove that men are

Andrew Wilsonprivileged in society over women a thousand times like yeah that women are 1,000 times more likely than men yeah how would that prove that men are privileged in society over women it

Andrew Wilsonwould just show that women are disadvantaged yeah biologically in a sense not let me finish my point before you respond you're not even listening you

Andrew Wilsonjust you can't wait to talk so listen relax your point contradicts what was just said my point doesn't contradict it that's why you need to listen even if it

Andrew Wilsonwere true even if it were true that it was one women were 1,000 times more likely to be sa than men how would that prove that men in society were

Anastasia (Pandana)privileged over women I did not say men are privileged over women I said women are not privileged over men which is what he stated in the

Andrew Wilsonfirst place and has stated on several occasion but he said he was stating he was giving a statement for the draft that it's a privilege that women are not drafted that is the case

Anastasia (Pandana)correct no that's not the only thing he said he said in general he feels would arue that women are privileg one thing at a time and we just start with the

Andrew Wilsondraft are women privileged by not having to do the draft um I don't believe so okay then what would you call it that

Andrew Wilsononly one sex has to do an activity for conscription where they go put their life on the line and and may potentially lose it versus the other sex not having to do that what would you call that besides I call it a choice tragically

TTS/Donationsmade by that sex as proven men don't chose sex did not collectively make that choice straw man fallacy donated $100 she stands her argument on men

TTS/Donationsbeing more likely to be sociopaths then follows up with I'm sorry you feel that way quintessential gaslighting from someone with zero self-awareness

Brian Atlasmatriarchy you said it's a choice it's not a choice to be drafted that's no I didn't say it's a choice you literally the word choice men as a whole like the men who

Andrew Wilsonrepresented men chose that yeah okay from a Congress that was all men at the time when only men is anybody who's alive right this second

Andrew Wilsonany man who's alive right this second have a choice in whether or not they're drafted um yeah the ones in Congress the men who are conscripted do

Andrew Wilsonthey have a choice in being conscripted or not you're not dra there's no draft right now who knows question they might not there was a draft right now would men if there was a draft right now would

Andrew Wilsonthe men who got drafted have a choice in being drafted or

Anastasia (Pandana)not we just danced way back from where we were at in this conversation yeah can you answer my question now I already did yeah can you answer multiple times men

Anastasia (Pandana)we just danced all the way back to the draft from way into past past police thing we were on a whole new layer and now we're all the way back to me reiterating the same yeah I know so

Anastasia (Pandana)can we get back to that so anyway the conscription portion of this you can talk to yourself so you just I'm not going to repeat myself no I I'm not dancing back to the same we just talked about you can literally talk to yourself about

Brian Atlasyou still on it you're trying to evade yeah you're being you're beinged let's push forward so where no CU we not hold on stop you're not going

Anastasia (Pandana)to dictate the terms and the flow of the conversation said then he can talk to himself like I already you can leave you can leave go ahead you're a like oh God you're

Anastasia (Pandana)a I'm glad you're getting kicked out of here you wouldn't you wouldn't say like this to me if I was with my i' say it to your face too you stupid get out of here many

Anastasia (Pandana)balls to talk crazy to woman but you don't got no guts to talk like a d d d get out of here you are a bunch of with little

dicks

Nick (production)you didn't play the sound oh I didn't oh okay hold on is

Brian Atlassp can I ask you how many cigarettes have you lit he seems stressed I was going to ask is that is that in relationship to how stressed you are tell her to message the Instagram

Hannahpage with it after the show she can message the IG page and we'll get it handled you do you do realize that people smoke cigarettes for yes I do I'm just wondering how many you've smoked in

Hannahthe course of this show I don't know it's a long show probably quite a few oh okay that is c i just like look up every 5 seconds and see a new one I just thought it was interesting

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