Brian KICKS OUT Rude Girl?! 40 Year Old VIRGINS?! Andrew Wilson! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #142

Date: 2024-03-11

Duration: 6h 04m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAnastasia (DT142)>

BBethany (DT142)>

MMartina (DT142)>

JJackal (DT142)>

CChristine (DT142)>

HHannah (DT142)>

MMonique (DT142)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Martina(guest)

SPEAKER_03Hannah(guest)

SPEAKER_04Anastasia (Pandana)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Christine(guest)

SPEAKER_08Jackal(guest)

SPEAKER_09Monique(guest)

SPEAKER_11Bethany(guest)

Key Moments

ControversyBrian reveals malicious flake: a guest deliberately no-showed and posted 'you've been humbled' on Instagram. Brian threatened small claims lawsuit for tortious interference with business.

“she posted to be on the show... 4:30 she's supposed to be here at 4. She says 'yeah' and 'whatever you've been humbled'”

OtherMonique (41) and Jackal (39) reveal they are both virgins waiting for marriage. Chat reacts with surprise.

“I'm a virgin and I'm waiting until marriage to have sex... I'm a 41-year-old virgin”

OtherChristine reveals she is waiting for marriage now but is not a virgin; has been celibate 1 year after becoming closer to God.

“I am waiting for marriage now but I'm not a virgin... I've been celibate um a year”

Key MomentAndrew coins the 'Bronze Age pro-lifer' critique: pro-choice women who become conservative on men's reproductive obligations. Extended abortion/child support debate.

“you're basically like a Bronze Age prolifer when it comes to men's responsibility”

OtherSelf-rating round: Anastasia rates 8/10/6, Bethany 6, Martina 6, Christine 7-8, Hannah does hometown poll (10 local, 7.5 avg, 5 self), Monique 8, Andrew 4.

“ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10”

ControversyMartina argues porn is harder to quit than heroin and describes 6-9 month withdrawal/numbness. Andrew checks fighthenewdrug.org live and notes evidence is less extreme than claimed.

“I believe that porn is harder to quit than heroin”

Key MomentBrian shows video of woman bowing to husband; asks panel if they would bow. Hannah refuses - only bows to God. Extended debate on bowing, submission, and Christianity.

“I'd want my girlfriend to bow to me when she greets me at the door”

OtherAnastasia reveals she started platonic escorting at age 16 while in foster care, influenced by a friend. Never did prostitution. Still does it occasionally.

“16... I was in foster care and my home girl she did it first”

ControversyUnnamed rude guest (diarized as SPEAKER_04) calls Andrew a 'little bitch' and uses profanity. Brian kicks her out. Guest shouts as she leaves.

“you can leave you can leave go ahead you're a... get out of here”

Topics Discussed

Intro / Show opening / Flake discussion

Brian apologizes for late start. Discusses malicious flake from a guest who deliberately no-showed and posted on Instagram 'you've been humbled'. Brian threatened small claims lawsuit for tortious interference. Multiple technical issues: internet, audio, cameras. Dedicated show to Akira Toriyama (DBZ creator).

Guest introductions & relationship statuses

All guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Relationship statuses: Anastasia in a relationship (1yr), Bethany in a relationship (1yr+), Martina legally separated (2yr), Jackal single 4mo, Christine single 3yr, Hannah single 1yr+, Monique single 2.5yr. Monique and Jackal reveal they are virgins waiting for marriage.

Virginity, abstinence, and waiting for marriage

Extended discussion about Monique (41) and Jackal (39) being virgins. Chat challenges whether virginity over 25 is 'weird'. Brian says it is rare but not weird. Christine reveals she is celibate/waiting for marriage now (1yr celibate, not a virgin). Discussion of freezing eggs vs trusting God for fertility. Andrew and Anastasia debate whether asking women to have premarital sex is predatory. IVF statistics cited: 2-12% live birth rate for frozen eggs under 38.

World War I and II history quiz

Brian quizzes the panel on WW1 and WW2 dates and allied/axis powers. Most guests had incorrect dates. Correct answers: WW1 1914-1918, WW2 1939-1945. Christine mentioned she took US citizenship test but couldn't recall exact years.

Incel debate / female incels

Anastasia and Andrew debate whether female incels exist. Andrew argues no woman can be truly involuntarily celibate. Anastasia argues they exist (low numbers but present). Andrew concedes the exception case but maintains it's a statistical aberration. Brian notes the incel moral panic is overblown; most incels are lonely not violent.

Kentucky prenatal child support bill / abortion / men's reproductive rights

Brian raises Kentucky Senate bill allowing child support for unborn children. Bethany argues men should share medical costs if woman has no choice. Extended debate between Brian and Bethany on pro-choice vs male financial obligations. Andrew notes logical inconsistency of supporting abortion but mandating male financial support. Brian coins phrase 'Bronze Age pro-lifer' for pro-choice women who demand male responsibility. Bethany's position evolves toward supporting some male choice framework.

OnlyFans / sex work attitudes

Brian asks who does OnlyFans. Only Anastasia does. She says she plans to stop when she has kids. Bethany, Jackal, Christine, Monique all decline for various reasons (relationship, faith, standards). Discussion of Anastasia's escorting history (started at 16 in foster care, platonic only).

Christianity, body count, and converting to faith

Andrew poses hypothetical: would Brian choose a high body count woman who adopted Christianity over same body count woman who didn't? Brian concedes he'd pick the Christian woman. Andrew warns about women using Christian conversion to appear more virtuous to men. Christine (not a virgin, now celibate) explains her faith journey. Debate on whether 'born again abstinence' is genuine or a dating strategy.

Relationship ratings (self-rating round)

Panel asked to rate their looks 1-10. Anastasia: 8 personal / 10 to loved ones / 6 public. Bethany: 6. Martina: 6. Christine: 7-8. Hannah: 10 in hometown / 7.5 poll average / 5 self-rated. Monique: 8. Andrew: 4 (Brian said he's underselling). Brian: 'can't pick 7'.

Porn addiction debate (Martina's divorce story)

Martina discusses separation from husband citing porn/alcohol addiction. Claims porn is harder to quit than heroin; references 'Fight the New Drug' (Salt Lake City charity). Brian and Andrew push back skeptically. Martina describes edging. Andrew checks the Fight the New Drug website live; notes the evidence is less extreme than Martina claims. Martina also espouses no-sunglasses and barefoot grounding philosophy. Could not name a single Pink Floyd song despite wearing their t-shirt.

Platonic escorting / Anastasia's background

Brian probes Anastasia's background in sex-adjacent work. She started platonic escorting at 16 while in foster care (influenced by a friend). Currently does stripping and OnlyFans, is in a relationship. Has accepted $300/hr for platonic lunch dates. Never done prostitution.

Trans dating / homosexuality debate

Bethany says she is pansexual and would date a trans person if she loved them. Brian states sleeping with a trans woman is not straight. Andrew argues the definition of homosexual/heterosexual is based on biological sex not gender. Panel split on whether a fully-transitioned MTF person constitutes 'a woman'.

Bowing to husband debate (Hannah)

Brian shows video of a woman bowing to her husband at the door. Hannah refuses to bow to a human, only to God. Andrew and Brian debate whether the bow is compatible with Christianity. Andrew bows in church to his priest. Hannah eventually agrees to curtsy. Discussion of Hannah's septum nose ring (got it because she likes cows).

Dating app behavior / first date dynamics

Brian complains women on first dates don't reciprocate conversation. Anastasia says she prefers to pay on first dates. Discussion of men paying vs women simping. Brian says optimal move is man pays; recommends coffee dates over food for easy exit.

Child support laws / draft / military / patriarchy

Anastasia argues women are not privileged because they are exempt from the draft; says the draft was imposed on women by men and women never chose it. Andrew and Brian disagree - exemption from conscription is a privilege. Extended debate on women in combat roles, physical standards, wage gap. Anastasia concedes combat roles suit men better physically but argues pay should be equal.

Feminist guest kicked out (~5:30 mark)

An unnamed guest (diarized under SPEAKER_04) became increasingly combative with Andrew. She called Andrew a 'little bitch' and used profanity toward the panel. Brian had already started telling her to leave before the verbal escalation. Guest was removed from the show. Brian referenced this in the closing.

Tweet reaction: flaker's social media

Brian reacts to tweets from the girl who was in the show thumbnail but flaked. Her tweets showed non-traditional/provocative content, contradicting her claim to be traditional. Brian read out multiple tweets and commented on inconsistency between 'traditional' self-presentation and actual posts.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonintercourse with me would a man go and do that with her or

Anastasia (Pandana)no I don't like this hypothetical I'm not going to it's like check yeah so can he can he answer the question for me I don't know it depends on where she is I mean I would hope not if she's clearly mentally ill I would hope no one's trying to take advantage of like a

Andrew Wilsonmentally ill hold the sign hold the sign around her neck and said and the sign said I want to have sex with whatever random

Andrew Wilsonman will have sex with me right now is she getting some or not depends where oh okay Bas literally depends any place that you can think of other than the middle of a forest but like I said the

Anastasia (Pandana)middle of the forest the middle of a forest the middle of nowhere is my best example I don't think that in New York it's as difficult and I stated that I'm not going against like anything I've stated I've like tried New York she lives in the rural country and she just

Andrew Wilsongoes next to a main road where people are passing by in trucks and and she's got the sign around her neck is she getting some I don't know maybe she's getting trafficked I hope not but dear

Andrew WilsonGod I don't know I can't imag that's such an outlandish like concept but you're the Oneal which is designed to not theic of you is to say there's a mental illness there's a mental illness

Andrew Wilsonwhich exists which can prevent women from pursuing relationships I agree but that wouldn't actually make them fem cells because even if they were mentally

TTS/Donationsill if they chose to have sex with a man they're going to get some here's how I see it okay to make it make sense there are One Motorsports donated

TTS/Donations$100 the mental health issues are sitting at this table a lot of cope and transference going on mostly cope feminism has failed you all please do better the patriarchy stands ready to

Anastasia (Pandana)help thank you gri one appreciate it uh what What's your go ahead oh um I'm sorry the patriarchy part like sorry okay

Anastasia (Pandana)um my take was there's 8 billion people in the world you're not going to tell me that

Andrew Wilsonthere is not a single fem cell on this Earth so so so let us assume for a

Anastasia (Pandana)second that there's at least one so what then I win I don't know I don't know that was just point they exist they exist they exist that's just my point

Andrew Wilsonthey exist I didn't say they're at the same caliber statistics okay I'll so I'll just concede this then and say at least one exist somewhere due to the fact that she has no arms no legs it's

Andrew Wilsontotally blind nobody can see her she's in the middle of a forest fine I'll concede that such a woman somewhere might exist but can we say that overwhelmingly they do not and that's by

Andrew Wilsonthe way it's not 8 billion people overwhelmingly they Doon right 4 billion because only half can be women I think the lingo is just opposite here but like

Anastasia (Pandana)we're not like arguing it's just you're not agreeing with my phrasal of it that um and that would be an argument well we're saying the same thing you're just paraphrasing it we not saying the same thing we're saying

Andrew Wilsondifferent things I'm just conceding to a portion of what you're saying so that we can move the conversation forward so I can show you that still even if we were to grant that what you're saying is right the overwhelming majority of what

Andrew Wilsonyou would consider to be incels are not going to be women and because there's such a social outlier it's a relevant to even count them into the inel movement I don't think it's fair to count anybody

Anastasia (Pandana)out but see we can agree to disagree on that I just think I think they exist I think it's determined they exist we could like tally everyone in the world they there's fem cells out there they exist and whether or not you choose to

Andrew Wilsonbelieve them if you want to believe they're unicorns and not human beings that exist on this planet that's fine like you're entitled to that I mean I don't I don't actually know how to have a conversation with you

Andrew Wilsonif you if I'll concede a basic point that you make but you won't concede a basic point I make I don't agree you don't agree with conversation that even that even if M cells exist that the

Anastasia (Pandana)overwhelming majority of in CS are going to be males I I agree with that I don't agree with the notion you stated that we can agree that because it's such a low statistic they don't exist I don't agree

Andrew Wilsonwith that yeah but if it's an aberration why do we care about it why is it important if it's just an aberration why would we give a

Anastasia (Pandana)um I don't know CU I care about to care about every problem I'm saying I don't know like like I'm saying I don't know s tically like for obvious reasons I don't know no well what's the

Andrew Wilsonobvious reason like just why would we care about aberration when we're talking about these in general terms I don't I don't get it like if you say okay uh one

Andrew Wilsonin a million of these incels happens to be a woman who cares that exception that exception itself actually proves the rule right I mean statistically one in a

Anastasia (Pandana)million out of 8 billion is a decent chunk of people but like I digress that would be 4 billion it couldn't be 8 billion because half of the population are men that's reasonable I agree yeah okay so anyway so back but back to this

Andrew WilsonI'm just saying that obviously it's an aberration So when you say they don't exist you're talking about such a statistically low uh volume of people uh there's no actual reason to include them into this stat makes no sense to do so

Andrew Wilsonbecause if you don't want to you don't have I just I acknowledge they exist okay fine I acknowledge I acknowledge also that there could be a

Andrew Wilsonwoman somewhere who could fit this profile now that I've acknowledged that can you acknowledge that almost none of them

Anastasia (Pandana)do I mean no I can't do almost none I think no I'm not disagreeing whoa whoa relax

Anastasia (Pandana)statistically I think that last statement is correct almost none of them statistically I agree with that Mr jumping at it no great well then if we

Andrew Wilsonagree with that then who gives a then he's right talk about there's no reason to include females in the uh in the data because there's essentially not any of them so I care about the no

Brian Atlasone you're essentially arguing for example if I were to sit here and say humans have 10 fingers and 10 toes okay that's a fair

TTS/Donationsthat's much more countable G One Motorsports donated $100 even Helen Keller got laid and she was deaf dumb and blind you will never

TTS/Donationsagree as you know that the second you do agree your entire world view must change seriously be better yes that's

Brian Atlasawesome at least you understand I'll never agree uh just and look to end up my point about the 10 fingers 10 toes there

Brian Atlasare some people out there who have 11 fingers 11 toes they're born with a uh it's a genetic anomaly basically uh but

Brian Atlasit's not wrong to state that humans have 10 fingers and 10 toes yeah I just feel like that's a much more trackable

Unknownstatistic well I mean but some of them don't Brian some of them don't have 10 fingers and 10 toes it yeah I mean it's uh I don't even

Andrew Wilsonknow where that where the that convo came from I forgot going with this either like I did have a I did have one question for you if you don't mind um just the last one how would you feel if

Andrew Wilsonyou didn't eat breakfast this morning me yeah I didn't yeah how feel how how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning how I feel right now because I didn't

Brian Atlaseat breakfast this morning okay yeah thank you wait what's the what's the bit what's the punch line what's

Andrew Wilsonthe uh well so this is now I read this on Reddit so you can't take it too seriously okay

Andrew Wilsonbut apparently there's a phenomenon which happens where if you ask a person if they've eaten breakfast this morning and they just give you the status of whether they did or didn't eat breakfast

Andrew Wilsonthis morning that they can't engage in hypotheticals however if you ask them if they've eaten breakfast this morning and they say well or how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning and they say oh I'd feel bad or I

Andrew Wilsonwouldn't feel great or I'd feel hungry then they are engaging in huh uh hypotheticals and it and as you saw she she stated the fact that she did or didn't eat it rather than how she would

Brian Atlasactually feel if she did or didn't eat it that's the point of the question oh all right okay interesting I think really what it comes down to though

Brian Atlasis any woman has the capacity to be a

Brian Atlasany woman has the capacity to sell sex very few men have the capacity to be a very few men have the even fewer

Anastasia (Pandana)men have the capacity to sell sex I have a question to that though whose fault is that doesn't matter whose fault it is no I'm I'm seriously asking like historically can we date like did women

Brian Atlasstart the sex trade or did men it's probably what okay well like did men proposition its woman or did I like it probably I mean women often a lot of women will come on the show and say well

Brian Atlasprostitution is one of the world's oldest Prof it probably started out like oh look at that strong caveman over there who just just got a fish let me offer some for some fish or

Anastasia (Pandana)something what if that's how it started what if the caveman saw her and was like look my fish like who knows like give me some yeah like it could have been what came first the chicken or the egg I don't

Brian Atlasknow who knows who knows I don't will have to check in with a archaeologist or some

Brian Atlasokay uh I don't know where to go with that one um let me get into my pre-show notes here so we have uh actually wait let me do this one we have

Brian Atlasssj Krillin thank you to the women that do o what would it take for you to stop and to the women that don't do o why don't you so you're the only one here

Anastasia (Pandana)who does only fans correct H yeah yeah okay what would it take me to stop I mean I plan to actually probably

Anastasia (Pandana)like when I have like kids or whatever I guess beautiful that's beautiful thank you for sharing that that was great that was wonderful what about you guys why

Bethanydon't why don't you do o um I am in a very committed relationship and well I don't judge anybody for doing that I also personally

Jackalthink that my body is just for my partner based um I have standards and I do judge that's beautiful thank you what about you um I think I already pretty much

Jackalsaid it's the the same reason why I'm still why I'm saving myself from Marriage it's for like my body is my temple and I'm no o that's good what about you I'm a woman of God she's a

Brian Atlaswoman of God and I genuin wait are you also waiting until marriage no no okay all right I'm not for sale I'm not for

Hannahsale wait where you from again I'm from Maryland Maryland wait wait wait wait wait wait hold on

Brian Atlasyou're from Maryland yes yes crab Tes and football that's what Maryland does bro I've had that on my soundboard for 150 shows I've been wanting to

Nick (production)play that but there's been nobody from Maryland so you're welcome yes crab and football that's what Maryland does okay the same reason I

Moniquestated earlier I just want all of me to be for my husband so it's beautiful what Gustavo fa that was beautiful thank you

Christinereally quickly let me clear up something so I'm not I am waiting for marriage now but I'm not a a virgin you're not not a virgin but I am now but now you are

Brian Atlasmhm should we talk about that should we the only issue I have wait question question for you okay the only issue I

Brian Atlashave with that though is uh it's like we've had women come on the show say that they're waiting for

Brian Atlasmarriage uh and they conveniently slip up oops mistake and from a guy's perspective that's where I sort of have like raise

Brian Atlasan eyebrow to the whole waiting until marriage thing especially for people who aren't virgins it's like well

Brian Atlasyou know you up recently have you up at all recently no how long have you been celibate um a year year and now year and you're 27 yeah so you up a year ago it wasn't it was

Christinewith my why weren't you waiting with him though um I didn't really have a relationship with God then but now I have yeah so it's new okay Andrew I want

Brian Atlasyour thoughts on this because this is something that I've kind of you know the whole in your past you maybe either had casual sex or you didn't wait until marriage but

Brian Atlasnow now you're waiting and on one hand it's like well I I see that women are in this like damned if you do damned if you don't

Brian Atlasposition of well obviously you should if you had previously were promiscuous you you should stop being promiscuous but like me as a guy who's

Brian Atlasyou know not married and dating whatever I'm like I just can't take it seriously if a girl previously had one two three dozens however many previous

Brian Atlassexual partners she slept with them on the first second third date and all of a sudden now she wants to wait on one hand it's like that's good for her but for me

Andrew WilsonI feel I you know I don't I don't like that so any thoughts on that yeah so this is um this is a complicated one I guess I'm going to end up arguing a little bit

Andrew Wilsonwith Brian tonight just a little bit okay okay all right Brian if if you had uh a woman two of them are you know exact clones of each other essentially

Andrew Wilsonright and they reached 30 years old and you liked them both you were into both of them um and and one of them said hey look I've had the same body count as this one next to me but the one next to

Andrew Wilsonher said okay but I've have adopted the virtues of a Christian woman and he had to choose between the two which one would you choose so both same body count but one

Andrew Wilsonis has adoped just one has adopted Christianity and is trying to live by those virtues now and the other has not which one would be your preference I'm sweating boys he's starting in on me okay

Andrew Wilsonuh and those Christian virtues so the the Christian virtues are going to be things things like they believe in Covenant marriage they

Andrew Wilsonbelieve in submitting themselves to the church they believe that um a man is the leader of the household they believe that they need to submit to their husband they believe that he's going to have the final say over things though it

Brian Atlasdoesn't mean they have no autonomy and they're essentially going to give preference and reference to you first as their husband yeah those all that that sounds great yeah right the issue is I

Brian Atlasso me personally Andrew I know you're I'm a degenerate here I

Brian Atlasengage in premarital sex sure and I don't know if I'm going to change now I'm not I'm not trying to

Brian Atlassleep with a bunch of women I prefer long-term relationships but I'm a sinner and I have sex with women before marriage yeah but I'm not like trying to

Andrew Wilsona bunch of either but let's like well let's like give it to you right okay I understand so your your your kind of primary objection here is to say look I'm still going to want to have sex with

Andrew Wilsonher before I marry her that's essentially what your objection is right well the other problem is I don't think I want to get married either right that's the other part so

Andrew Wilsonwell I well I get it I get it but let's assume for a second you had to get married for some reason which of them which of them would you

Andrew Wilsonpick so one I can sleep with prior to marriage you can but she but she she refuses but but she has no safeguard for virtues there's no safeguard for virtues

Andrew Wilsonfor you there's the other one you can't sleep with before but there is the Safeguard of virtue she's given herself over to the church to be a good wife for you you got to marry one of them and I have to marry one yes you do yeah I got to marry one of them kind of the

Andrew Wilsonmarshmallow yeah this marshow experiment in the hypothetical right can you delay gratification for the better wife marriages are pretty quick process we'll just go to the courthouse get it done

Andrew Wilsonreal quick sure I'll take the the Christian woman I'll take the Christian woman take the Christian one right there you go oh

Andrew Wilsonno but but to your point to be charitable to your point you're saying that I think a lot of women utilize this

Andrew Wilsonand this conversion over to Christianity in order to be more appealing to men who want those virtues impact in woman and essentially it's a lar haven't given thems over to the church they haven't

Andrew Wilsondone any of those things and so how do you ascertain which is true I think is a better question but I would certainly uh you know if I had to pick I'm going to

Andrew Wilsonpick the woman who I think is more virtuous so that's um this this becomes complex right because you don't want to question anybody's faith but at the same

Andrew Wilsontime I can see the coping mechanism from a lot of only fans girls who well I found Christ and now you need to Discount my past got to be careful with that

Brian Atlasright interesting

Brian Atlasyeah so what you're saying Andrew is that I should continue having wait

Andrew Wilsonum I don't know it's just I'm saying I'm saying that if your values if your values are not really Christian values yeah then what's the point in you getting a Christian woman it makes no

Andrew Wilsonsense that makes that that makes sense to me right but if you are a man who has adopted Christianity of course your preference is then going to be for more virtuous Christian woman you're going to

Andrew Wilsonwant a woman who is under the adherence of the church and so sex outside of marriage is going to be be one of the Tells that she is trying to live up to her

Brian Atlasfaith I concede this argument because Andrew is the debate God so whatever he arguments he was

Brian Atlasgoing to make I just concede uh what what's it what's it called in chess when you just uh Checkmate Checkmate or no it's a you Castle cast huh there's a

Bethanyterm for it when you surrender I get what you're saying oh I just concede the match GG well played um can I ask a question is everyone here Christian I'm not that's why I'm asking

Brian AtlasI was I was raised Christian most of my life I resign I think resign I resign from the the chess game yeah that's all I want can I ask something sure

Bethanyespecially since most people here are Christian is everyone here heterosexual yes yes are you I don't think so I'm

Anastasia (Pandana)with the man but I mean I've been with women and I'm not opposed to it um my relationships with men like with now being my best example

Anastasia (Pandana)have gone better okay evidently or I'd probably still be with like any girl I ever dated It's Curious is anybody here pansexual I

Brian Atlasam is anybody here demisexual Wait So you you're by your by or your pan I'm pan have you dated a trans

Brian Atlasperson no isn't that what pan is somebody who would date pan is the gender doesn't matter wait but um so you would date a trans person then if I loved I'm sure

Bethanywhat do you mean if you love them if I fell in love with a trans person then I would date them yeah just the same as everybody El dat somebody when I don't care what they got going on honestly I I I've mostly been with woman

BethanyI'm currently dating a man but I I don't know I so for me it doesn't really matter to be honest I just think if you're a cool soul and I like you then

Brian Atlasthat's that's good for me so you would date somebody who's trans okay I don't okay I assume that's what people mean when they say pansexual can you define demisexual I think that's

Brian Atlasme but I honestly forgot the I'm Dem with men what does that mean it means you need to have like an actual emotional connection I think with somebody before I think right not to be

Brian Atlasconfused with saiosexual or whatever yeah you need didn't that used to just be called normal what's that didn't that used to just be called normal that was just the norm yeah I think I'm seual

Brian Atlashonestly want use the phrase wrong I don't know 100% let's do so oh okay here we go we have Stiffler here finally ask everyone to rate their looks on a

Anastasia (Pandana)scale of 1 to 10 starting with you go ahead um in my own eyes looks in my own eyes like eight in the eyes of those that I love in matter 10 and in the eyes

Brian Atlasof the general public socially I think six that is possibly the best answer we've ever had to that question but okay

Bethanywhat about you um I don't know I feel like I feel like I have probably a different perspective but I

Bethanyalso I don't know I'd probably say that I'm like a six I think my partner would probably put me higher okay and I don't I I don't know I've been committed to one person so I just haven't really thought about the way that other people

Martinaare looking at me like that for a minute sure what about you I'm a six both of Personality way higher love that what oh I want to say

Brian Atlasseven oh okay yeah um probably like s eight can I have you

Hannahscoot your mic to the left just a bit that's good yeah I'd say 7.58 all right I actually did a poll of people in my

Nick (production)town and had them rape me in your town I came I came prepared for this question and football that's what

HannahMaryland does you're a town in Maryland right yes okay cool uh what were the results of the poll so

HannahI asked them to write me two scales one in my hometown what you would you rate me and then like one like what town in Maryland are you I'm from Southern Maryland that's the name of the town

Brian Atlassouthern Maryland Maryland no it's called the southern part of Maryland no what is the actual City the designated I walked I walked around a place called Leonard Town Leonard Leonard Town like

HannahLeonard skinnard like do you not know the B I know I know I know the band I'm not a complete idiot thank you oh you didn't just maybe you just

Hannahdidn't want to reveal like exactly so okay so you're a 10 in I'm a 10 where I'm from but like the world the overall average was like 7.5 but I definitely

Hannahthink I'm like a five and is it a small town where you're from not really no she's a 10 it's like a big military area there are like three

Moniquemilitary bases nearby okay so there's a lot of people what about you I guess I would say maybe an eight

Brian Atlasokay Gustavo we see okay I give myself a five uh Andrew what about you can four four all right

Brian Atlasyou're you're more handsome than that Andrew don't don't rate yourself so low you've got uh you got some nice blue eyes solid solid nose handsome guy look at the hair the hair's all slicked back

Andrew Wilsoncome on Andrew as long as your wife thinks you're a 10 that's all that matters can we add personality to it what do you mean you well you you said that well I mean if we add personality to it I'm a

Brian Atlas20 if we're just going off of actual looks yeah about a four word we have dub right side hey thank you man stop cooking on the show embarrassing yourself there's no such

Brian Atlasthing as a born again virgin respectfully I don't think any of the girls here well we have two genuine virgins and then some people who are W

TTS/Donationsto marriage but I don't think anybody's claiming born again so glad him not dating donated $100 I'm also pansexual I get home from work my wife makes my family and I a

TTS/Donationsdelicious dinner in a pan Which gets the old pumps running in return I get seual with her is that it that was beautiful that's beautiful I'm so glad thank you

Brian Atlasfor that that was great that's great thank you well done all right let's get into the pre-show notes Here pre-show

TTS/Donationswait we missed one valiv that's weird valev donated $100 9 after you're back and forth with the

TTS/Donationsnew little bible thumper I respect and appreciate you more Andrew far to many individuals make a mockery of the Faith with no push back the point is to be

Andrew Wilsonbetter yeah I got a lot of I got a lot of for that but the thing is is um I'm not I'm not biased when it comes to my criticisms right it doesn't matter if

Andrew Wilsonyou claim you're on my team or not on my team um if we're if we're tangling up on an argument um it doesn't matter what you identify yourself as I I don't hold uh

Andrew Wilsonsome view where my side can't be criticized and I'm just as likely to to criticize conservatives and Christians as I am uh the Deens so I appreciate the Super Chat I appreciate it but yeah I

Andrew Wilsongot a lot of for that one was that was it with the Asian woman or was it with yeah it was with the uh the one who knew the ass kicking leg breaking jiujitsu master who took on all of those

Brian Atlasdudes at a park and broke all of their legs with her savagery it was that panel yeah I did Google search Andrew to try

Brian Atlasto find the story about the 4 fo1 Brazilian jiujitsu chick breaking

Brian Atlasnow I'm trying did she to be charitable to her she said that she broke all the legs of two people she I don't know if

Andrew Wilsonshe ever stated they were men but is yeah but I mean but I assume I'll take I'll even take it the other way right assuming that they're both

Brian Atlaswomen I still couldn't find anything on it I canot what's up Nick I just said Anastasia oh okay okay um yeah I cannot find anything I I mean I'mma message her

Brian Atlaslet me actually message her right now and just be like hey can you send me that story uh let me see if I can find it h now I mean she did she did to be and I

Andrew Wilsonwas charitable back when she said like look I heard this through the grap Vine actually it was through a friend of a friend but she had started off by saying no look it up you'll see this 411 chick

Andrew Wilsongot attacked in a park and then busted out her Jiu-Jitsu moved and and broke the legs of these two men and then she she did kind of subtly Backtrack on that

Brian Atlasas she went so okay I'm going to try to message her just to like see if she can provide it but uh hold on let me just

Brian Atlassend her uh can you send me the story of

Brian Atlasthe 4 foot1 oops caps too bad uh 4 foot1 girl people are asking about it oh

Brian Atlasmy God I can't type on this okay all right we'll we'll have maybe a status update for the viewers can I ask why doesn't everyone do

Brian AtlasJiu-Jitsu uh not really dating related so moving on uh okay we have here let's get into some of our pre-show notes here because because because I'm going to I'll tell

Andrew Wilsonyou I can just answer it for everybody right just so you know uh watch out a 40 a 45 ACP beats jiujitsu that's why I don't need to take

Andrew WilsonJiu-Jitsu reasonable oh I mean okay yeah for reference you can go watch a movie called Indiana Jones and you can watch what happens when an expert sword

Martinafighter goes up against a 45 ACP usually you have both you know your your hands could be guns and weapons wait you mean that literally or

Brian Atlasfiguratively yeah like my my coaches have guns as well as skills and they support both Jay Akin sorry not sorry I want to

Brian Atlashear from Martina well you just you just did right there but we'll get to the pre-show notes here in just a sec so we have okay that was the flake that was

Brian Atlasanother flake okay hold on guys other that was the noow had a bunch of notes yeah now they burn the thumbnail too oh we got to get into that hold

Brian Atlason the tweets hold on not the tweets yet let's get through people's stuff um we might have already touched on this but Mo'Nique you said you're an abstinence Advocate you believe that waiting until marriage to have sex is

Brian Atlasthe best option it's something I live out personally I'm a virgin and waiting until marriage yeah we kind of already

Brian Atlastouched on that uh let's see um we have Martina you 30 years old recently you

Martinagot div or 31 actually I'm turning 31 next recently you got divorced after 9 years and why did you get divorced um well I want to say it was a a

Martinacodependency and mental health were on your part or his on both were what what

Martinaproblems do you have well um uh the biggest was um I want to say porn your your problem or his well that was his what was your problem it was my

Brian Atlastrauma with it your um okay yeah so wait you so who initiated the divorce was it you I did

Brian Atlasyes you did okay and so he was addicted to porn yes well what was the scope what was the cuz you said in the notes here that you exper what you

Martinaexperienced was watching a heroin level high mhm well that so what do you mean by that that itself is um more of the

Martinaresearch that I have done um my experience I feel goes with a lot of people's experience it's not just my life um but more of how they

Martinanormalize this um so a if you have a addictive person personality say you're an alcoholic and you withdraw from that

Martinait's very easy to catch on to whatever else feels good um and there's absolute ways you can boost a heroin level high with just porn um so he was also

Brian Atlasaddicted to heroin no no no no it has nothing to do with Heroin this has nothing to do with I think we ought to be considerate of all the heroin addicts

Brian Atlasout there I'm not quite sure that porn is as addictive as heroin I believe that porn is harder to quit than heroin porn is harder to quit than heroin

Brian Atlasyeah was he out in the streets sucking for $5 a pop to continue his favorite porn site monthly subscription um absolutely not um this has I'm sorry

Brian Atlasthen it can't be as bad as there's people out on the streets sucking dick for a bit of heroin um I believe the term is called

Martinaedging where huh and and again again this has nothing to do with my what do you mean edging what do you mean um this is the this is the science that I looked into he's on

Brian Atlasthe edge of the streets trying to I I don't know suck the dick of a homeless person what was he doing for that PornHub subscription okay what was he

Martinadoing again it's this is not him gambling Debs specific doing but um edging is where you can uh stay on a

Martinacertain level of climax for um hours if not days so wait he would just be like no no no no not not him let me let me cl let me

Brian Atlasclarify this is this wait he wasn't doing that so he was just like busting he was just busting boom boom boom all day what was

Martinahe doing the thing is um tell me what the thing was is excuse me the what I view as porn and

Martinaintimacy is very private and whatever I witnessed yeah um caused me to research what it actually does to your brain but

Martinalet give us give us some details because you said he's addicted to porn so are we talking just all day jerking it off I I I think you need to ask actual porn

Martinaaddicts um he was not not I wouldn't say a porn addict I would say he had an addicted personality wait but you said in your

Martinanotes he was addicted to porn um absolutely he was at one point what else was he addicted to I mean with her addictive personality

Martinaif somebody understand that it it could just be 10 hour a gamer 10 hours a day and anything you touch raiding NAX Ramis son okay go ahead

Martinasorry sorry sorry sorry yeah well and anything you touch could be a liable including um being addicted to people was he Addicted to

MartinaYou his wife um uh I would say yeah in a unhealthy unhealthy way did he cheat on

Martinayou oh I wish I wish what do you mean addicted to people what does that mean um which means that you can use people

Martinato get high like as as a drug um the brain the way it works is if you um take a substance and um are addicted to it it doesn't

Martinamatter what it is it will give you an unnatural boost um an alcoholic that is withdrawing it will take from 3 weeks to have physical withdrawal symptoms to 6

TTS/Donationsmonths to a year what happens when you withdraw from porn is easily grle donated

TTS/Donations$999.99 oh Brian and Ruth thanks for the content Martina wasted her best years and threw away her marriage over discomfort what about the vows in

Martinasickness and in health addiction is a sickness um I would like to respond go ahead uh who says I threw anything away

Martinahe's my best friend and we're Partners friend oh we're not only just friends we best friends I the only the only reason

MartinaI took a step back was so we can concentrate on mental health and being the best version of yourself you guys

Martinaare going to reconcile um I hope so you hope so I I really do I mean one day have you been dating it all um no no you

Martinahaven't been dating at all I mean honestly I no rebound no rebounds absolutely no rebounds I don't believe in a hookup culture um I believe

Brian Atlashave you been celibate for I have been celibate two years what do you mean what do you mean you the way you phrase that

Unknownyou have been celibate what do you mean okay well uh you still him your husband ex-husband no oh no absolutely

Unknownnot I I no boundar get this girl some water get her some water godamn her throat sounds up no no sorry no I

Brian AtlasI I believe in boundaries got excited there batteries boundaries batteries why you bringing sex toys into this conversation what the batteries get

Brian Atlasthis girl cough drop something we're Cola we need it Nick look at how sharp Nick looks with those with those okay oh wow well well then look look at how

Martinafuturistic this guy looks he's got these orange sunglasses so um blue I I do Jiu-Jitsu and I cross train at so you

Brian Atlasjust to be clear you you said separated you've not had any carnal knowledge sexual intercourse with anybody since your separation no absolutely not but I have

Martinadated but I'm not dating anyone [Music]

TTS/Donationsnow okay so um I I do jiujitsu but I visit other gyms so donated $100 her explanation of her husband gave

TTS/Donationsme an anur ISM M her answer about dating and hooking up his cap she's a cancer to society and her own enemy kick her six head off the panel say Christ is

MartinaLord Christ is Lord so um I do Jiu-Jitsu and I cross train at a lot of gyms and I'm surrounded by high jiujitsu standard

Martinapeople she does yeah she does do jiujitsu okay I just want to make sure I that she did jiujitsu I believe in supporting potential in the people we're surrounded

Martinaby and I also believe in being very professional um so it's not like I would visit five other gyms and then sleep around because I can wait why are you

Martinatelling us this now I feel like well what I'm saying is what I'm saying is I started doing Jiu-Jitsu and he decided not to what I'm saying is if I take a

Martinastep back and the the way I see it is if I'm the light in his life and he depends on

TTS/Donationsme to have a good day he will also depend on donated $100 Brian can we please get the copium addict to make a point this conversation

TTS/Donationswould make a prom addict lose his stiffness and delusion is a dug as well gone fun beats CTI Fu all day every day grid one thank you can I ask a question hold on are you telling us the Jiu-Jitsu

Brian Atlasstory because you're around these like really physically fit attractive masculine men and you had this opportunity to other these men but you did I'm so glad not dating donated

TTS/Donations$100 seems to really have affected the relationship what's your thought on sitting at the same table with a distributor SL producer of the drug that caused your love to falter I'm sorry

Brian Atlasthat [Music] happened distrib of the drug that caus oh yeah cuz

Martinashe I don't she basically caused your divorce cuz she she did not cost my divorce to me your husband was put money

Brian Atlaswhat if your husband was addicted to her content this is bro bust out a armar on this chick right now dude let's see that armar shoot a

Martinashot do an emari roll so if if I can continue um sorry the caffeine bro I I don't I don't if you know what codependency is but it's

Martinabeing so dependent on a person that you can't prioritize your own goals and your own Ambitions so what I'm saying is when I started doing Jiu-Jitsu I started to

Martinaprioritize my goals and my potential okay and I believe that if he or anyone is dependent on having a good day for

Martinayou to make sure that I have a good day then you're also to blame for their bad day and when I take a step back maybe instead of me being the light he'll find

Anastasia (Pandana)The Light Within himself and what happened with the ones you were dating you said you dated briefly why did you stop like what came over

Martinayou um why did I stopped dating yeah I mean

Anastasia (Pandana)what you broken Andrew what you said like you before after like your your at the beginning of your separation you said you dated but you're not now so

Martinalike what changed um well I I wouldn't say I'm not now I would say that I have a way higher standard because I myself value myself

Brian Atlasmore so I would value others we didn't really get a full explanation of the whole you okay so hold on let's let's rewind

Brian Atlashere rewinding so funny the you said that your you got divorced because your husband was addicted to porn no I said I got divorced no no no I said I got

Martinadivorced because he had an addicting personality and what was the primary thing addicted to alcohol oh oh huh which which the the

Martinaporn and he an alcoholic and a porn addict so can I ask you do you watch

Brian Atlasporn if it's very rarely actually but rarely it's so easy to quit why is it RAR the the thing is well the thing I I

Brian Atlasmean like I very rarely watch it like especially like if I'm seeing somebody I'm not watching porn I don't

Martinaso um if you quit porn for a year and it's but my my actual personal view is like I guess some guys can be addicted to porn but like my experience with porn

Martinahas always just been like it's just a visual aid boom boom get it done cool moving on with my life you're watching instead of doing and you're teaching

Brian Atlasyour brain and you're rewiring it get that's why but that's why I've actually made a conscious effort to like limit my exposure to it but I actually don't think me personally massive it's not

Brian Atlaseasy to quit I mean it's very easy to quit easy boom close my computer right here boom porn addiction gone I'm chilling dude so Brian can I I'm being

Martinain all porn addict sorry my caffeine's kicking in goad ask me um did you know that after quitting porn for 6 months yeah um you will lose all

Martinasensation you will have numbness numbness yeah because that's how penis that's how the brain works it the withdrawal symptoms Rous thing I've ever

Andrew Wilsonheard in my life it's wait did your boyriend did you come up with if you quit pornography you will have no I mean it's it's based off of studies only I I only is this something that your husband told you did your husband tell you

TTS/Donationsundated $100 Martin can you even name three Pink Floyd songs pint see my last death metal comment or is the shirt just to try to

TTS/Donationsmake you hopefully seem interesting that's about as dumb as this story um I love Pink Floyd three songs

Brian Atlasgo um I I don't have to answer got you oh my god dude Nickelodeon just checkmated wait do you want to try um do

Martinayou want to do one yeah I mean you want to try for one pink one wait no no no no the the the thing is helped no well the

Martinathing is um um I I don't do names very much is is it is it is it possible that my favorite bands I wouldn't be able to

Martinatell the songs but yet I listen to them all the time can you sing us a song No can can you hum can you hum the

Martinamelody no can you hum the Melody I I use music for different reasons I don't really um visualize the artist and I

Martinaalso don't um need to know the exact name for me to enjoy the

Martinasong I I and you know and you you know what I also don't know how Pink Floyd looks or any of the musicians I listen to We Don't Need No thought control come

Brian Atlason nothing you know that song yeah yeah I know that song mhm what band is that who's a by what band is that um the

Brian Atlassatisfaction song oo no the song he was just singing which um that that song do you Andrew do you want to repeat it really quick oh my

Andrew WilsonGod can you repeat the the little bit that you did we don't need no

Martinaeducation which band is that um I I can't tell you that holy is this iny look look

Andrew Wilsonagain again if you if you had to consider yourself uh some type of building material would you consider yourself a

Martinabrick that might go into a wall by chance look look I it's say same thing with actors I I don't know any actor's

Martinaname I don't know any movie names as well as song names um or how they look like because it's not necessary I'm listening to their art but you you

Brian Atlasshould have just said you should have just said me I'm sorry look I actually don't know jack about Pink Floyd I just like the shirt well no um I I

Brian Atlasreally like the the over the Moon album he Andrew just sang their number one hit and you weren't able to match it so

Martinathat's that's a mainstream thing why why do I need to follow oh so you you only listen to their like Niche yeah I would say so absolutely I would say so um so

Martinacan we can we get back to De porn or yeah let's get back to De

Martinaporn so alcohol and porn okay again this I didn't come here to talk about my ex's

Martinapersonal life I came here to talk about what happens to your brain when you um watch mentally consume

Martinapoison um and and and and by the way um I mean yeah yeah he's uh he's working

Martinareally hard on his sobriety and always and always and it could it could be easily watching on a screen while while you're not dating wait I'm watching what

Martinawhatever you watch on a screen wait I'm confused you're not dating what are you saying wait what I'm just saying there's

Martinaum easy ways to uh poison your mind yeah and and the whole um numbness um it's

Martinajust a 6 to n months withdrawal for um mental symptoms um especially if you've been um easily doing this for decades um

MartinaI'm not an expert decades yes how old is your your husband again this is not specifically to him I'm saying how old

Martinaare pre-teens that watch porn nowadays and and how old did you start they're not decades

Martinaold Sor how old were you when you started wait why how is my oh wait I'm sorry so so my ex's personal details but I can't ask you how old you were when

Brian Atlasyoued no no no first off one of the pre-show instructions is not to discuss young uh discuss children

Brian Atlaswatching that content um but I I I don't see how it's at all related what the back anyone's background here when they

Martinastarted watching Adult no I'm saying a drug if you are on the drug drug porn is absolutely a drug it's called fight the new drug you should look it up it's

Martinacalled what fight the new drug coffee is a drug any kind of stimulant can be defined as a drug are are movies that

Martinadepict violence a drug um well yeah I would love to get into that I would um but no um what's your definition of a so

Brian Atlasso when you're watching a violent movie you're not literally getting uh well actually look there is a collo I believe a colloquial usage of like you can use

Brian Atlasdrug like a certain thing could be a drug but when I think of a drug I think in the literal sense of like something that you

TTS/Donationsconsume like $0000 I think it's safe to say he probably needed alcohol to deal with you I'm not a drinker and at all and just opened a bottle of

Brian Atlaswhiskey um whiskey oh you have fun with your bottle of whiskey so do you think so is is pornography is thank you truth bum is pornography a drug in the same

Martinaway that heroin is a drug is that the argument you're trying to make um I would say that uh if you've never consumed heroin and you only consumed

Martinaone kind of drug it could bring your levels of high to the same kind of level you're saying watching

Martinaporn will have a same level of so you're you're can I can I just ask if if not you or anyone specific

TTS/Donationsbut if you consume something for 15 years on yep sub citizen donated $100 I hope the guy who asked Mara to

TTS/Donationsspeak is now regretting his TTS oh dude I have I Now understand why the husband chose PornHub God bless his soul for putting up with this for 9

Martinayears sub citizen you want to you want to respond to a sub citizen here and then our boy Jay is about to come in um I I believe that responding with insults

Brian Atlasmeans that you're losing to discussion yeah sub citizen you're losing J ekin I've made a great M great I think you meant great mistake she's wrecked it by

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