Brian KICKS OUT Rude Girl?! 40 Year Old VIRGINS?! Andrew Wilson! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #142

Date: 2024-03-11
Duration: 6h 04m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Martina(guest)
SPEAKER_03Hannah(guest)
SPEAKER_04Anastasia (Pandana)(guest)
SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_07Christine(guest)
SPEAKER_08Jackal(guest)
SPEAKER_09Monique(guest)
SPEAKER_11Bethany(guest)

Key Moments

00:05:03
ControversyBrian reveals malicious flake: a guest deliberately no-showed and posted 'you've been humbled' on Instagram. Brian threatened small claims lawsuit for tortious interference with business.

she posted to be on the show... 4:30 she's supposed to be here at 4. She says 'yeah' and 'whatever you've been humbled'

00:17:17
OtherMonique (41) and Jackal (39) reveal they are both virgins waiting for marriage. Chat reacts with surprise.

I'm a virgin and I'm waiting until marriage to have sex... I'm a 41-year-old virgin

01:26:15
OtherChristine reveals she is waiting for marriage now but is not a virgin; has been celibate 1 year after becoming closer to God.

I am waiting for marriage now but I'm not a virgin... I've been celibate um a year

01:28:05
Key MomentAndrew coins the 'Bronze Age pro-lifer' critique: pro-choice women who become conservative on men's reproductive obligations. Extended abortion/child support debate.

you're basically like a Bronze Age prolifer when it comes to men's responsibility

02:14:50
OtherSelf-rating round: Anastasia rates 8/10/6, Bethany 6, Martina 6, Christine 7-8, Hannah does hometown poll (10 local, 7.5 avg, 5 self), Monique 8, Andrew 4.

ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10

02:34:00
ControversyMartina argues porn is harder to quit than heroin and describes 6-9 month withdrawal/numbness. Andrew checks fighthenewdrug.org live and notes evidence is less extreme than claimed.

I believe that porn is harder to quit than heroin

04:10:00
Key MomentBrian shows video of woman bowing to husband; asks panel if they would bow. Hannah refuses - only bows to God. Extended debate on bowing, submission, and Christianity.

I'd want my girlfriend to bow to me when she greets me at the door

05:24:55
OtherAnastasia reveals she started platonic escorting at age 16 while in foster care, influenced by a friend. Never did prostitution. Still does it occasionally.

16... I was in foster care and my home girl she did it first

05:30:30
ControversyUnnamed rude guest (diarized as SPEAKER_04) calls Andrew a 'little bitch' and uses profanity. Brian kicks her out. Guest shouts as she leaves.

you can leave you can leave go ahead you're a... get out of here

Topics Discussed

00:00:06
Intro / Show opening / Flake discussion

Brian apologizes for late start. Discusses malicious flake from a guest who deliberately no-showed and posted on Instagram 'you've been humbled'. Brian threatened small claims lawsuit for tortious interference. Multiple technical issues: internet, audio, cameras. Dedicated show to Akira Toriyama (DBZ creator).

00:08:17
Guest introductions & relationship statuses

All guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Relationship statuses: Anastasia in a relationship (1yr), Bethany in a relationship (1yr+), Martina legally separated (2yr), Jackal single 4mo, Christine single 3yr, Hannah single 1yr+, Monique single 2.5yr. Monique and Jackal reveal they are virgins waiting for marriage.

00:17:00
Virginity, abstinence, and waiting for marriage

Extended discussion about Monique (41) and Jackal (39) being virgins. Chat challenges whether virginity over 25 is 'weird'. Brian says it is rare but not weird. Christine reveals she is celibate/waiting for marriage now (1yr celibate, not a virgin). Discussion of freezing eggs vs trusting God for fertility. Andrew and Anastasia debate whether asking women to have premarital sex is predatory. IVF statistics cited: 2-12% live birth rate for frozen eggs under 38.

00:52:00
World War I and II history quiz

Brian quizzes the panel on WW1 and WW2 dates and allied/axis powers. Most guests had incorrect dates. Correct answers: WW1 1914-1918, WW2 1939-1945. Christine mentioned she took US citizenship test but couldn't recall exact years.

01:06:40
Incel debate / female incels

Anastasia and Andrew debate whether female incels exist. Andrew argues no woman can be truly involuntarily celibate. Anastasia argues they exist (low numbers but present). Andrew concedes the exception case but maintains it's a statistical aberration. Brian notes the incel moral panic is overblown; most incels are lonely not violent.

01:20:00
Kentucky prenatal child support bill / abortion / men's reproductive rights

Brian raises Kentucky Senate bill allowing child support for unborn children. Bethany argues men should share medical costs if woman has no choice. Extended debate between Brian and Bethany on pro-choice vs male financial obligations. Andrew notes logical inconsistency of supporting abortion but mandating male financial support. Brian coins phrase 'Bronze Age pro-lifer' for pro-choice women who demand male responsibility. Bethany's position evolves toward supporting some male choice framework.

02:03:00
OnlyFans / sex work attitudes

Brian asks who does OnlyFans. Only Anastasia does. She says she plans to stop when she has kids. Bethany, Jackal, Christine, Monique all decline for various reasons (relationship, faith, standards). Discussion of Anastasia's escorting history (started at 16 in foster care, platonic only).

02:03:20
Christianity, body count, and converting to faith

Andrew poses hypothetical: would Brian choose a high body count woman who adopted Christianity over same body count woman who didn't? Brian concedes he'd pick the Christian woman. Andrew warns about women using Christian conversion to appear more virtuous to men. Christine (not a virgin, now celibate) explains her faith journey. Debate on whether 'born again abstinence' is genuine or a dating strategy.

02:14:50
Relationship ratings (self-rating round)

Panel asked to rate their looks 1-10. Anastasia: 8 personal / 10 to loved ones / 6 public. Bethany: 6. Martina: 6. Christine: 7-8. Hannah: 10 in hometown / 7.5 poll average / 5 self-rated. Monique: 8. Andrew: 4 (Brian said he's underselling). Brian: 'can't pick 7'.

02:30:00
Porn addiction debate (Martina's divorce story)

Martina discusses separation from husband citing porn/alcohol addiction. Claims porn is harder to quit than heroin; references 'Fight the New Drug' (Salt Lake City charity). Brian and Andrew push back skeptically. Martina describes edging. Andrew checks the Fight the New Drug website live; notes the evidence is less extreme than Martina claims. Martina also espouses no-sunglasses and barefoot grounding philosophy. Could not name a single Pink Floyd song despite wearing their t-shirt.

03:13:20
Platonic escorting / Anastasia's background

Brian probes Anastasia's background in sex-adjacent work. She started platonic escorting at 16 while in foster care (influenced by a friend). Currently does stripping and OnlyFans, is in a relationship. Has accepted $300/hr for platonic lunch dates. Never done prostitution.

03:20:00
Trans dating / homosexuality debate

Bethany says she is pansexual and would date a trans person if she loved them. Brian states sleeping with a trans woman is not straight. Andrew argues the definition of homosexual/heterosexual is based on biological sex not gender. Panel split on whether a fully-transitioned MTF person constitutes 'a woman'.

04:10:00
Bowing to husband debate (Hannah)

Brian shows video of a woman bowing to her husband at the door. Hannah refuses to bow to a human, only to God. Andrew and Brian debate whether the bow is compatible with Christianity. Andrew bows in church to his priest. Hannah eventually agrees to curtsy. Discussion of Hannah's septum nose ring (got it because she likes cows).

04:20:00
Dating app behavior / first date dynamics

Brian complains women on first dates don't reciprocate conversation. Anastasia says she prefers to pay on first dates. Discussion of men paying vs women simping. Brian says optimal move is man pays; recommends coffee dates over food for easy exit.

04:51:40
Child support laws / draft / military / patriarchy

Anastasia argues women are not privileged because they are exempt from the draft; says the draft was imposed on women by men and women never chose it. Andrew and Brian disagree - exemption from conscription is a privilege. Extended debate on women in combat roles, physical standards, wage gap. Anastasia concedes combat roles suit men better physically but argues pay should be equal.

05:30:00
Feminist guest kicked out (~5:30 mark)

An unnamed guest (diarized under SPEAKER_04) became increasingly combative with Andrew. She called Andrew a 'little bitch' and used profanity toward the panel. Brian had already started telling her to leave before the verbal escalation. Guest was removed from the show. Brian referenced this in the closing.

05:36:40
Tweet reaction: flaker's social media

Brian reacts to tweets from the girl who was in the show thumbnail but flaked. Her tweets showed non-traditional/provocative content, contradicting her claim to be traditional. Brian read out multiple tweets and commented on inconsistency between 'traditional' self-presentation and actual posts.

Transcript

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00:55:44
Bethanyshot in the dark here okay okay started or ended let's say let's say it started then I don't know so yeah started 198 198 ended I mean it's pretty good gu I feel like that year sounds not a Terri
00:55:57
Brian Atlasnot a terrible gas ended when ended I'm going to say 1934 that's a long damn that was a long
00:56:08
Brian Atlasthat was a long ass World War I all right what about what about the years of World War II well it has to be after that it has to be by process of
00:56:18
Unknownelimination I'm thinking 19 thank you thank you 193 n short break between World War I and
00:56:28
Brian AtlasWorld War II yep and then when did it end wait when did it start excuse me n we're we're saying it started in
00:56:38
Brian Atlas1939 I have no idea uh and when did it end let's say 1950 okay let's say that what about you
00:56:49
Martinaum I want to say 1917 for World War I and I know that when it's started or when started okay when did it end
00:57:00
Martinaum I want to say 20 1920 it ended in 2019
00:57:08
Martina1920 oh oh 1923 I want to say um to my head um World War II uh started after the Great Depression so I want to say
00:57:21
Brian Atlas1931 two
00:57:29
Martinaum I do I I do believe that another aess Power was
00:57:36
MartinaItaly huh wait how is that related the the the three access powers there's ger oh no but okay when did World War II start
00:57:46
Martinawhen did it um so I want to say World War II ended 43 okay what about what about you World
00:57:55
JackalWar I World War II no oblo no ablo no idea just give us a guess guess just
00:58:02
Jackalguess I had no idea impressed job okay um I'm going to cheat um some other answers World War I um one okay
00:58:13
Jackal19 1918 to 1920 no um world 2 1930 to 1940
00:58:25
Christineokay what about you please skip me I just guess just guess God uh World War I I would say ended 1912 no idea when it started World War
00:58:37
ChristineII would be I think it was 1920 something to when that's when that's when World War II started when did it
00:58:51
Christineend 1930 okay wait hold on that's so funny because I took um I wasn't a uh I was born in the Philippines I took my
00:59:03
Christinecitizenship about 3 years ago I believe those questions were in there I your citizenship test I don't I don't I don't know if they were like there was like a list of like a like a long you're right
00:59:15
Martinayou're right can I change my answer it actually end ended in 1917 World War I World War One okay you're were right yeah
00:59:25
Brian Atlas1906 to what 12 okay for World War I and then World War II what are the dates 37 to 42 something okay what about you yeah uh
00:59:37
MoniqueWorld War I I just 1910s somewhere I don't I don't know and then yes world one to the 1930s till [Music]
00:59:47
Brian Atlaswhen I don't know or just the 1930 was in the was in the 30s okay all right
00:59:56
Christinewhat's the actual answer all right UC World War I 1914 to 1918 okay World War II
01:00:06
Christine1939 1942 anybody two 42 anybody one of them you guys the last year of World War II Andrew what's what is it I swear think
01:00:18
Brian Atlasit's 48 Andrew I think it's 1945 really yeah you should have met I was going to
01:00:27
Anastasia (Pandana)say that yeah it wasn't too bad you know anyways it wasn't I don't remember half the things I learned in college and they didn't tell me
01:00:38
Brian Atlasthat yeah let's see if this is going to actually oh my god it worked but it's it's going to read it in two minutes people treat women like cars T
01:00:49
Brian AtlasTest Drive before you buy rules to live by no butt stuff equal what the Russian scop looks like a what the
01:00:59
Bethanyis blank Harley Quinn and I'm not Russian um aop is like um military trying to put psychological operation psychological operation usually it's like really they make like really pretty
01:01:11
Brian Atlaspeople work for them to try to like attract other people thank you I'm not Russian though there you go all right uh let me read these other chats here sorry that
01:01:22
TTS/Donationsthat's probably going to trigger the donated $100 treat women like cars test drive before you buy rules to live by no but
01:01:34
Brian Atlasstuff equals no ring the Russian SE looks like a what the okay cool bro GL all right uh Jay Canadian 70 we had
01:01:45
Brian Atlasnatural fertility issues found at 25 years took 6 years to figure out and now have two kids ladies you're delusional about fertility having spent a lot of time in in the clinic I can say they're
01:01:55
Brian Atlaspacked with depressed and SAD 40 40s plus couples good luck oh Jay she did not like your chat sorry thank you bro
01:02:07
Moniquethat's fine agree to disagree cuz I'm not delusional again lots of women having babies in their 40s and it's something you know that I'm believing trusting God for praying you know that's
01:02:19
Moniquewhy I'm not conc well do you at least do you at least acknowledge that as you age your fertility decreases yes I know that is a natural thing understood but I know that God Is Bigger and greater and that's what I'm trusting and believing
01:02:31
Brian Atlasfor my sister had my nephew at 39 and nothing wrong lots of friends haven't babies in their 40s so no you can but okay so you're 41 right so let's think about this okay so let's say you meet a
01:02:43
Brian Atlasguy today well okay there's going to be a dating process maybe you're going to wait like how long do you think dating will last before you get married because
01:02:54
Moniqueyou previously dated guy for 3 years and you didn't get married yeah that was a long time ago now at this stage in life you you're not wasting time so so let's
01:03:05
Brian Atlassay 6 months right six months okay you know that's pretty I think you know you getting being married within 6 months is
01:03:17
Brian Atlaspretty uh optimistic yeah no offense say 6 months to a year that's fine it's pretty optimistic I feel like I don't know takes a while to find you got to
01:03:29
Jackalfind the guy you got to find the guy because I think um what people aren't factoring in which I know is going to sound crazy to many people is that we do believe in God and we believe that
01:03:41
Jackalthere's been many instances of miraculous things happening even in the Bible there's instances of women that shouldn't have babies and that they did so that's the that's the factor which
01:03:51
Brian Atlasdoes sound crazy and it does sound delusional but like but how far can you take that though so that's why it's called Faith but hold on point of Faith Fai
01:04:06
Brian Atlasis the 60 years old I don't care if you're 70 I don't care
01:04:15
Brian Atlashow did you see that computer came out of nowhere holy it's good don't talk about my God bro did you it came at me though it came out of nowhere
01:04:30
Unknownum I was being Smite God smited me SM
01:04:37
Brian Atlashow dare you suggest that a 70y old woman again how dare you I will smite thee I will get all the 7-year-olds
01:04:51
Brian Atlaspregnant your laptop all I'm at it your laptop up son it
01:05:01
Moniqueup okay yes understood the natural elements behind it but again when you're that age 60 70 you're not anticipating having children like it's not something
01:05:12
Brian Atlasthat's what I'm saying like it's not but why does what she said why can't that same s sentiment apply to a 70-year-old as compared
01:05:24
Brian Atlasa country in Africa actually I I want to wait wait there was actually woman my argument there wasn't good my argument there wasn't she just gave birth at 70 years old there's a lady in Africa you look that at wow yes good for her women
01:05:37
Moniqueare evolving looking to godamn at 70 she literally just gave birth I now I'm not trying to be
01:05:47
Monique70 let me just say that but I'm just saying like it can happen anything miracles happen anything's possible I believe that God will do it but I don't believe it's going to take that long I
01:05:59
Andrew Wilsonsure hope not but I'm just saying it's one of those things where it's not um I don't mean to cut in but the woman that you just cited uh who was 70 years old she gave birth the twins but it was
01:06:11
Moniquethrough vitro fertilization okay ibf yeah but she had the strength she had was able the capability to be
01:06:20
Andrew Wilsonable to do so but and again or was that science that did that could be a bit of both maybe a bit of both I'm not going but but I mean you would even even with a Metro fertilization you would have to
01:06:33
Moniquesay that that's quite the exception to the rule at 70 years old of course agreed and that's what I'm saying but it's one of those things where you just can't count it out is what I'm saying is
01:06:44
Anastasia (Pandana)it you can't count it out in sense how many 7 olds have tried 70-year-olds getting pregnant you can't count those out is that yes I is it just unwed how
01:06:55
Anastasia (Pandana)many 70y olds have tried IVF like I don't think there's a statistic on it yet you know it's very new and then I doubt there's many 70-year-olds trying to have I I doubt
01:07:06
Andrew Wilsonthere's many 70-year olds that actually want to but I mean I'm just saying yeah their body well their bodies at that point are not um are not set
01:07:16
Andrew Wilsonfor optimal uh pregnancy let's put it that way it would be extremely high risk for almost any year old woman to engage inal fertilization or even natural birth
01:07:28
Andrew Wilsonif somehow they were able to get pregnant at that age it would not be something that would that anybody would probably recommend in the medical field said private hold on I'll read in a sec bad
01:07:40
Brian Atlaschoice is the asrm estimates that the live birth rate for a frozen egg is 2% to 12% for women under 38 years of age as well as a high probability of a premature birth this is from the
01:07:52
Brian AtlasNational Library of of medicine thank you bad choices appreciate it bro you're a
01:08:00
Brian AtlasLegend all right we have grid one is it going to work okay I did not say they were undatable I said it was weird I don't think it's weird you
01:08:13
Brian Atlasassumed undatable because that is where your mind immediately went because that is what you believe wait is this directed to me it sounds like it yeah oh I I don't think I said there I don't I
01:08:25
Brian Atlasdidn't say anything about undatable I just said I don't think it's weird it's not weird it's not weird at all it's
01:08:38
Brian Atlasrare but I don't think it's weird I think it you know it's it's more rare like men are much more likely I think to be virgins than women at 25 at
01:08:50
Anastasia (Pandana)25 I think it's more I can see that yeah I can see that but I think that's not like due to attractiveness and like the thoughts that come to your mind first I think it's also due to like uh dispar women are sleeping around I think it's
01:09:02
Anastasia (Pandana)due to a disparity in men's mental healthare they don't do that what I think it's due to a disparity in men's mental health men are virgins because there lack of they don't go to anger
01:09:10
Anastasia (Pandana)management I think it's hold on you just went places uhhuh yeah I did you think men are virgins I think a lot of men are virgins because they're angry and it's hard for them to have a partner
01:09:22
Andrew Wilsonwhen they're so angry that's a hot Andrew what you got for that yeah I mean but I would just either The Logical evidence for it or the
01:09:34
Andrew Wilsonempirical evidence I'm fine with both but I would like to actually know what the rationality is behind why you think that uh men when they're in their early 20s are not getting together with women
01:09:47
TTS/Donationsmated $100 I did not say they were undatable I said it was weird and it is you as seemed undatable because that is where your mind immediately went because
01:09:59
Anastasia (Pandana)that is what you believe okay get back to it okay um sorry that kind of like distracted me um lost my TR of thoughts slightly
01:10:09
Anastasia (Pandana)um I think I need those numbers on the screen like over my face right now um so oh my point about like men being
01:10:18
Anastasia (Pandana)angry and that leading to them being virgins is the fact that like some men um as I've seen on like forums that are um more than just like red pill oriented
01:10:30
Anastasia (Pandana)like straight up insult pro- Insel forums there are guys who are like just angry and seem to feel entitled to sex and angry and don't understand why they get laid and I think that lack of
01:10:41
Anastasia (Pandana)confidence and like the mental anguish and anger that they hold is just perpetuating their cycle of virginity now I mean how many incels do you think there are I don't think
01:10:53
Andrew Wilsonthere's that many I think more men are good than bad my boyfriend is a great example I mean if that's the case then you kind of contradict I don't think there's that many virgin men either now but if you if you look at the
01:11:04
Andrew Wilsonratees of men who are staying virgins until they're you know I don't know that static 27 you have to hang hang on hang on a second let me finish my point here so if you're if you're looking at the
01:11:16
Andrew Wilsondata here uh I would actually like to know why it would be that you would correlate this with anger issues just of some you read on forums or no cuz I'm not looking at the data here I don't have the statistics in front of me if
01:11:29
Anastasia (Pandana)you can tell me how many men in the world in their 20s or whatever are currently virgins then I might form a different opinion but I don't know the only on I know of well let's let's forget that for a second then Nikelodeon
01:11:40
TTS/Donationsdonated $100 a man was drowning in the water turned away two boats saying God would save him he drowned and asked God in
01:11:49
Andrew Wilsonheaven why he wasn't saved I sent you two boats idiot you talk Faith don't refuse a gift yeah that's um it's a pretty funny joke I've heard many variations of that
01:12:01
Anastasia (Pandana)but yeah back so back to this if you don't have the data and you're not familiar with the data then there must be some logical rational reason why you're coming to this conclusion well it's just based on like guy friends and
01:12:13
Anastasia (Pandana)people I've like seen online and just like it's only based on like a statistic based on the amount of males I've seen that are are virgins but that's not all
01:12:25
Anastasia (Pandana)of them and I'm not suggesting it is so it is quite likely that if we tallied up all the male virgins in the world there's much greater reasons than just their anger and lack of mental health or maybe just in America too like even if
01:12:37
Anastasia (Pandana)we did that tally but from what I've seen and from all these forums that have been put out in recent years pro incels and for incels those specific men are extremely angry and I do think they
01:12:49
Anastasia (Pandana)would have less trouble getting laid if they weren't so angry and if they were just confident in can you um can you give me the name of any of these forums mostly on Reddit just mostly on Reddit I
01:13:00
Andrew Wilsonlike Reddit so just Reddit um yeah there's a a lot of people use Reddit these people that these people are angry because you Reddit on Reddit what Nick can you boost the audio a little bit on
01:13:11
Andrew Wilsonokay yeah okay well you seem to be coming to the opinion that with with your rationality is the reason I think that young men are uh staying virgins for x amount of years
01:13:24
Anastasia (Pandana)because they're angry even though maybe most of them aren't but at least a good portion of them are is because you read it on redit for no I didn't read that verbatim I've seen a lot of angry men
01:13:34
Anastasia (Pandana)complain about their virginity and perpetuate their virginity by doing nothing but complaining and feeling entitled to lose their virginity I'm not saying that if we tallied up the score
01:13:46
Anastasia (Pandana)on every man that chooses to be a virgin or doesn't choose to be a virgin and is in their 20s or 30s in this earth and that's statistic would prove correct I'm saying that's what I've seen and I think
01:13:57
Anastasia (Pandana)that does apply to some not all but some maybe many I don't know we don't know the statistic we don't have the Virgin calculator because' seen it on
01:14:07
Andrew WilsonReddit no cuz we don't have the Virgin tally I mean we we do have the data on this but absent the data because you don't know the data there's no log for
01:14:18
Anastasia (Pandana)virginity there's I the government doesn't send a census there's no log on virginity like no there's no data on that it's something that's up for speculation they use to
01:14:30
Andrew Wilsonself-reporting system to figure out how many men are staying virgins or not staying virgins the same way we would collect all data in sociological Fields so yes we do have data on this since you
01:14:41
Andrew Wilsondon't know what that data is hang on I don't expect you to know what it is I I do want to know what the rationality is and it seems like the rationality is I read it on Reddit so
01:14:54
Andrew Wilsoncan you pull up that data please I love to learn things well actually I think I think Brian can I think he has it in his hot seat you can just pull up how many self-reported men are
01:15:04
TTS/Donationsreporting tell 25 grid One Motorsports donated $100 so it is weird for men to be virgins but it is not weird for women to
01:15:14
TTS/Donationsbe virgins interesting do you not understand that it is Purity and youth that men value it's and not either
01:15:25
Moniqueuh no I don't I mean I personally have a couple guy friends who are virgin still and they're actually both 30 years old and it's again tied to their faith
01:15:34
Moniquethough so it's not odd or but if you don't if you don't aren't part of that Community then you wouldn't know you wouldn't understand so you know there's nothing wrong with them they're not
01:15:47
Moniquesocially awkward they're not ugly they're like it's it's not anything like that I think it's just a standard and then I know a guy who he personally decided to wait because he had a friend
01:15:57
Moniquein college who was accused of rape who never raped a girl and then I forgot about that how is I wasn't even really paying
01:16:08
Brian Atlasattention where where's that coming from what why do we need to hear the anecdote about the college sexual assault how is
01:16:20
Moniqueit related I was just saying because for him he was like if he wasn't even messing with any girls then that's why he decided not
01:16:31
Brian Atlasto sorry about that good job forgot all right um
01:16:40
Anastasia (Pandana)cool she's saying her friend didn't trust Woman based on a friend's story but I think that also ties into like my point that like I think that's like a
01:16:49
Anastasia (Pandana)trauma that he unraveled on himself over a potential scenario that's not of high likelihood and I think that he could have resolved that in there I don't okay cool um what's the whole thing you're
01:17:02
Brian Atlasyou're saying incels are angry is that your whole point I think most incels are angry inv volunt what it stands for this whole incel thing is pretty much the biggest absurd moral Panic I've ever
01:17:13
Brian Atlasseen if if the mainstream claims about them were true we would absolutely be the number of men without sex Lives who want them must conser
01:17:23
Brian Atlasconservatively number in the hundreds of thousands Across the Western World um I don't know in reality the number is probably in the millions um if incels
01:17:34
Brian Atlaswere really as dangerous as this moral Panic claims uh we would be seeing epic levels of violence and we're not so we've seen a few tragic
01:17:44
Brian Atlasevents caused primarily by a toxic combination of mentally ill people yeah and uh easy to access firearms and uh I agree it's primarily about mental
01:17:55
Brian Atlasillness I think it's I agree that that statistic is probably in the hundreds of thousands mind you these a lot of these are events are hardly restricted to incels a lot of these are just mentally
01:18:06
Anastasia (Pandana)mostly mentally ill people but I said men need mental health care okay yeah like it's not limited to them
01:18:17
Anastasia (Pandana)being in cells like men need in general like they need better health care and they need to swallow their pride and be willing to get mental help more often
01:18:26
Brian Atlasthey don't often enough cool story bro cool story um I don't know if I not going to tell it again don't worry it's good um hold on one
01:18:39
Brian Atlassec uh let's see um all right let me do some other chats here we have bendra the offender hold on this is getting pulled
01:18:49
Brian Atlasup oh my God it's lagging sorry guys apology guys again for all the issues with our TTS and our uh it's obviously not ideal for us it's kind of disruptive the way it's coming through but Kentucky
01:19:02
Brian Atlashad a bill pass in their Senate that would allow women to collect child support payments for an unborn child thoughts on this it's actually a good question I heard about this um so basically like during the pregnancy you
01:19:12
Bethanymean um what do you guys I think that's really valid I think if the woman is going to have to pay for the pregnancy um like just the medical stuff literally while they're PR pregnant like hospital
01:19:24
Bethanyvisits things like that time they need to take off work cuz they can't physically be there things like that I think are Justified I think asking for anything beyond that before the child is
01:19:34
Brian Atlasthere though is not justified so what is Justified I think that like splitting the medical necessary costs of while you're carrying the child let's say she gets pregnant by a guy who's financially
01:19:47
Brian Atlaswell off and maybe she's a little less well off than he is would you be in favor of the guy paying more than split to cover her medical expenses no I think
01:19:57
Bethanythat it should be split it should be split unless financial situation is preventing her from getting the necessary healthare so before I ask you a question just going around the table
01:20:08
Brian Atlasdoes it how do you guys feel do you agree with her the question is uh Kentucky passed a bill for Senate that would allow women to collect child support payments for an unborn child
01:20:19
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01:20:38
Anastasia (Pandana)appreciate it okay the previous question um I think I generally don't agree but I also am from New York city so we have like access to abortions and stuff if
01:20:49
Anastasia (Pandana)the guy didn't want to keep it though and like like she's like hypothetically like the term like traing or whatever I think then it would be wrong but I also
01:21:00
Anastasia (Pandana)I'm not educated on kuy's abortion laws so with that being said I think that makes a huge difference because if there's no um ability or opportunity to terminate the pregnancy then grid One
01:21:12
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01:21:23
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01:21:31
Brian Atlasone Motorsports appreciate it not sure entirely who it's directed towards um so your thoughts silly on the on the men paying yeah pretty child support before
01:21:43
Jackalshe's given birth okay um I think yeah if especially if the the woman is struggling and it was a
01:21:54
Brian Atlasdecision like that they both made together yeah that would be helpful what is the decision that what is the decision that they both made together to have
01:22:06
Martinasex oh okay okay can can I just I'm just a little confused um I mean I feel like our bodies are made to protect the baby
01:22:17
Bethanyand take care of it what payments are you getting I feel like on that note part of the reason why I feel the way I do is because I am like I do have
01:22:27
Bethanypersonal medical issues where if I do get pregnant it will be a little more extra than everybody else typically would for a normal body so for me if I
01:22:39
Bethanygot pregnant it would be a lot more medical bills it isn't as simple as just going to get an abortion or just carrying this like with minimal medical obligation if that makes sense so I feel
01:22:52
Bethanylike it should be a case by case and not necessarily General but that's why I say that depending on the case if there are large medical bills to do with that pregnancy two people participated and two people have a responsibility okay
01:23:03
ChristineI'll come back to that but I agree with her I think it would be helpful but at the end of the day I think that's why it's important to have values and morals so that that situation doesn't happen
01:23:14
Christinewhat situation that like having sex with somebody you're not sure of whether or not they're going to stick around or you're going to have a relationship that's why it's very important to know who you are so that when you are out
01:23:26
Christinethere dating and you know sexually active that you're not doing it with the completely wrong person okay so you're avoiding the situation
01:23:36
Moniquealtogether okay I approve approve okay I think it definitely would be helpful for certain women in whatever situation they're
01:23:46
Brian Atlasin okay um so going back to I mean a lot of you seem to be in favor of it so going around the table then are you pro-life or pro-choice I'm pro-choice
01:23:59
Brian Atlasand I think I'm the only one not in favor of it yeah I'm pro-choice and I think I'm yeah you're not you're yeah you're not in favor what about you um I'm
01:24:09
Brian Atlaspro-choice that's interesting I'll come back to that pro life pro life pro life pro life pro life okay so for you guys here I can sort of see your position on
01:24:21
Brian Atlasthis a little bit I'm a little confused by your position though so a woman who for example would you agree that a woman who's not
01:24:31
Brian Atlasfinancially ready to have a child would would you think that that's a perfectly just justifiable reason to get an
01:24:41
Brian Atlasabortion honestly yes what if she's just not ready to uh she doesn't maybe she is financially ready but she just doesn't really want to be a parent yet
01:24:53
BethanyI think that no matter what point you're in in your life you can have so many underlying tiny reasons that have led you to decide that that yeah I think she
01:25:04
Brian Atlasshould have that choice what I here's a sure sure here's another scenario so she's fi she would otherwise be financially ready she's otherwise ready to be a mother but she here remove that
01:25:15
Brian Atlasfor a second nick uh but she just wants to keep partying she doesn't want to you know deal with a kid right now I think that's
01:25:26
Bethanyirresponsible well but should she I think that it's still not our place to choose for her I see okay yeah I think I can I can disagree with why she's doing it and I can be like wow that's a really
01:25:37
Brian Atlasdumb decision but she should still have the right to choose so let me ask you a question what about in a scenario where you put a man in a situation where
01:25:46
Brian Atlashe's he's had a casual sexual encounter with a woman and he has known he doesn't want to have any children and the woman
01:25:55
Brian Atlasgets pregnant and she wants to keep the child uh and he wants to uh you know what would you say to him when he says to you well shoot I don't want an
01:26:06
Bethany18-year responsibility I don't want to pay child support what would you say to him I think that he has a certain obligation to do that I don't think that
01:26:17
Bethanyhe has any obligation necessarily to be I hate to say this but a parent because they did not make that decision together he gets a choice just like she does to
01:26:27
Bethanybe involved in that life but I think that the second that you have sex you are kind of putting that risk up cuz I definitely know a lot of women who felt that way there was just a hookup then
01:26:40
Andrew Wilsonthey got pregnant and now they have that 18-year obligation but they can't just say no you know this is um this is a very
01:26:48
Bethanystrange position so uh you said that you essentially support OnDemand abortion correct I think with limitations yes I think that the term of which you should
01:27:00
Brian Atlasbe able to get an abortion should be limited and I do think that wait so sorry Andrew if it's all right I just want to have a bit more of a back and forth but I'm happy to have you jump in
01:27:09
Bethanyon this on just a sec so um what what do you think about deadbeat dads I've met deadbeat moms too so I
01:27:22
Brian Atlasthink a good parent is a good parent and they'll step up if they'll step up but would you look like for example a man who didn't want to financially support an unwanted child would you look down on
01:27:33
Bethanyhim I think I would equally look down on that in the way that I would look down on an absent mother to be honest I think that as opposed to a for okay but sorry sorry I I'll let you finish go ahead go ahead no it's okay I'd love for you to
01:27:45
Brian Atlasclarify so I could give a more accurate answer well no it wasn't so much that but you when it comes comes to the woman's side of getting pregnant
01:27:57
Brian Atlashaving an unwanted pregnancy you're very clearly uh very Progressive on this you're very uh by your own admission you're pro-choice however when we look at the opposite side of this we look at
01:28:10
Brian Atlasthe the male side of this you're basically like a Bronze Age prolifer when it comes to men's responsibility
01:28:19
Brian Atlasso why is it for example that you object to uh you you you seem like men have an obligation to financially support a
01:28:28
Brian Atlaschild despite his lack of ability to do so or despite his lack of uh not wanting to do so uh you you seem to be kind of I
01:28:40
Bethanythink definite I don't think it should be like just like they have to no matter what it should the thing is my view is a very very Case by case basis which is why it's so hard for me to give you such
01:28:50
Bethanya direct answer so I definitely think that there are like there realistically there are women that try to Baby trap men and I get that and I also get that sometimes like it's the opposite way
01:29:02
Brian Atlasaround too I've seen that as well men that try to Baby trap women so well the the current state of the law is regardless of the motivations of the woman whether she was trying to baby
01:29:13
Brian Atlastrap him or they were being a bit careless when it came to protection or whatever it may be if a woman chooses to keep the child and the man doesn't want the man has no say I think really quick
01:29:26
Brian Atlasjust like the people that are pro-choice are only Pro women's Choice when it comes to men not wanting to be fathers most Pro most pro-choicers turn into
01:29:36
BethanyBronze Age pro-lifers when it comes to the uh you know the male side of of Reproductive Rights seean I completely see what you mean and that's A New Perspective for me to look at it I still
01:29:48
Bethanybelieve that women should have a right to choose a lot of my opinion I will say comes from the medical side of things for why I am pro-choice because I I
01:29:59
Bethanypersonally might not be able to survive caring a child to term I know several other people that are that same way and there are so many states where if I was there I would just die because you're
01:30:11
Bethanynot allowed to have that choice and so for the men's side I don't honestly have super clear determinant views that I have created for myself but I do think that there should be some level of choice especially the way that you're
01:30:24
Bethanysaying that now I realize that I'm definitely misrepresenting the way that I wanted to say that and so I think that men should have some kind of choice whether that be that they have the
01:30:35
Bethanyopportunity to say hey I didn't I don't believe that I should be locked in this for 18 years I believe that I took responsibility for my part of this and she's choosing to do this there should
01:30:46
Bethanybe some kind of Court where you're able to show that it was not mal inent that that you got this person pregnant and that you should be able to have just as much freedom in that choice as they do
01:30:57
Bethanybut in that case I think there should be some sort of government support you should have to petition a court to do that no I'm saying there should be a different route that there than there is now like there should be something in place that there currently isn't yeah
01:31:10
Bethanythere there's nothing exactly that's that's that's what I'm saying is we should have something in place specifically for this if we're wanting to give both of them a age choice because well that wasn't your position earlier your position earlier was in the
01:31:22
Brian Atlaswhen it came to the Kentucky thing not only should men pay child support they should also pay before the child's even born which is totally unprecedented in any state in the US I think for medical
01:31:33
Bethanybills I don't think well they should have to help have to I think this the thing is I think that this should also involve it that they should have the choice to go and prove that they you
01:31:44
Brian Atlasknow shouldn't have but you can't you can't coincide like you cannot hold the pro-choice position but also your position should be men should be
01:31:54
Brian Atlasobligated to pay for a woman's health expenses related to pregnancy you know what you're welcome to ask questions but you ought to wait until I finish my
01:32:05
Brian Atlassentence before you ask if you can ask a question well that's how we were instructed to like interject if there's no opportunity you know how I was like in the middle of a sentence and you like interrupted me can you not interrupt me
01:32:18
Brian Atlashave to interrupt it some no there's you know how there's periods you know how there's periods you can kind of wait until there's a period and then it leads directly into her response and then I'm
01:32:28
Anastasia (Pandana)in Dr her instead I just wanted to know if you would still be pro choice if um you didn't um have any medical factors in play not you personally like just in
01:32:40
Anastasia (Pandana)general in like the world wait like if there's if there was no like medical um complications and everyone could just like birth freely would you still be pro choice or is it
01:32:52
Anastasia (Pandana)because of the I think I think I get where you're coming from yeah and I think it's like your take being different is very personal and I think I understand like I can empathize with it
01:33:02
Bethanyyeah no um I honestly don't really have an answer for that because I feel like yeah a lot of my position comes from it being medical from a lot of medical stuff there's just
01:33:15
Bethanythe abortion laws have like there's like so many people that have been put into like poor medical positions just because their body wasn't prepared to have that pregnancy and now they need to keep it but if that was taken away I think that we I would lean a little bit more
01:33:27
Bethanytowards pro-life but I would still be in the middle because it's not my life it's not my body but for as for men I think that the reason that my position is changing is because a lot of what you've said has definitely opened my eyes to A
01:33:41
BethanyNew Perspective that I hadn't looked at previously and thinking about it like that especially with you saying like Bronze Age like
01:33:49
Bethanyfifers like I I do see what you mean with that with with how I view it and well I do think that everybody should have a choice I just think it's so
01:33:59
Bethanyconvoluted and so hard it's not hard to like no it's it's very simple meally I think it's very simple here's my position in any state where a woman
01:34:10
Brian Atlasessentially has the right to murder her unborn child a man a man should have a corresponding right to totally relinquish any responsibility or obligation to that woman financially
01:34:22
Brian Atlasthat's my position I think that that's valid I don't necessarily perfectly agree but I do definitely by the way is Andrew's stream quality better it looks better it
01:34:32
Andrew Wilsonis better it's uh it's going going much better I wonder I wonder if I can uh if I can just ask you a a quick couple of questions the uh the first question I
01:34:43
Andrew Wilsonhad for you is do you think in the first 3 weeks for instance that um termination of a fetus is that that's not a human life I think it's as much of a human
01:34:55
Andrew Wilsonlife as an egg as a chicken okay gotcha but understand that you supported the fact that uh the first 3 weeks of pregnancy that a man should be have to pay support in that instance this would
01:35:08
Andrew Wilsonmake the determination that this is a human being correct child support would infer that this is a what I think that an anti-abortion State hang on hang on hang on child support would infer that this is a what it would infer that it's
01:35:20
Andrew Wilsona child I see your point they would infer that it's a child and so so if you're asking for support for a child how can you then hold the two conflicting views that this is not a
01:35:31
Bethanychild unless you determine that it is because you want money it's not a child but I think that I would only consider good point this in States it highly depends if that state has abor
01:35:43
Andrew Wilsonlike what their abortion laws are to be honest because if they're forcing the yeah we're talking about the Kentucky abortion law the Kentucky abortion law says that for a pregnant you can begin
01:35:54
TTS/Donationsto collect the offender donated $100 this an extreme example but imagine if this law passed in a state where abortion was legal up until birth the women could just take money from a man
01:36:06
Andrew Wilsonthen abort the child I don't think wow that's that's another consideration that's a good point I don't think any state should allow that so moving into the Kentucky thank you Kentucky law the inference
01:36:17
Andrew Wilsonhere is that this is a child right how could a person who was pro-choice take the money to begin with because then they would have to be admitting that this is a child correct well I think
01:36:29
Bethanythat that's if it was the whole question originally was about the state of how kuy's bills are currently I think supported it if you're Pro yeah if they
01:36:40
Andrew Wilsonhave to keep the child if the woman does not have a choice to keep the child the man that's a different that's a caveat position now cuz your initial position was that you supported the fact that uh a man would have to support this
01:36:53
Andrew Wilsonpregnancy and you said this is due to cost considerations if that is true then and you would take the money then you would have to be admitting that this is actually a child yes no I would be admitting that my body's going through
01:37:05
Andrew Wilsonsomething that needs medical bills and money I see so what you're saying so what you're saying there is it's not a child because you want money no I'm
01:37:15
Bethanysaying that if a child a fetus from the first part where it's not a child yet there's still a in the woman's body in a medical way where they need to pay for that so at that point no you're not
01:37:26
Bethanypaying child support in my opinion you are paying medical support because you've put this woman into a medical position that requires money it's not about the kid in my opinion at this point because as I said before most of
01:37:38
Bethanymy stance comes from the medical side of this so that's why I have that view is because if the woman is needing to pay to you know do the things they need to
01:37:48
Andrew Wilsondo for their their own body regardless of of the fetus child what okay I understand then what your position actually is is that no I don't consider
01:37:59
Andrew Wilsonthis to be a child I just have the expectation that men will pay uh for the and support whatever decisions you make for the pregnancy whether it be that you
01:38:10
Andrew Wilsonhave the child all throughout the term or if they pay for the abortion hav these on the abortion I don't know but that's the actual position right well I was I just stated that I think that that
01:38:21
Andrew Wilsonshould only be true if it's in a state where the woman doesn't have a choice either you mean where a woman has to or has to bring the pregnancy to Bear can't
01:38:33
Andrew Wilsonget an abortion early exactly yeah if they're obligated to go so let us assume yeah yeah yeah so let us assume for a moment that she can that she can get an abortion in this state and they have a
01:38:45
Andrew Wilsonlaw and they have a law which says that the man would have to assist in the payment be against that law yeah yeah no I'm only I'm only for the man being
01:38:56
Andrew Wilsonobligated in a way that the woman is as well okay I understand well that's at least consistent right so when we when we can deconstruct it back a little bit
01:39:06
Andrew Wilsonso at least a bit consistent so but just understand that the laws the law is basically stating this is a child right from inception that's why child support uh is available is because they they're
01:39:18
Bethanyconsidering this to be a child I understand that I'm looking at I'm looking at it from the medical and obligation point of view for literally your what your body is actually going through and the costs that come with
01:39:30
Bethanythat so for me I'm looking at it just a little bit of a different direction than just the ethics of whether or not the fetus is considered a child yeah but medically I mean life begins at an
01:39:42
BethanyInception there's I mean that is the medical standard true but I'm not talking about the fetus I'm talking about the mother the mother is the one who needs to pay the mother's body is is the one that's going through that whether or not you get an abortion but
01:39:54
Bethanyonly if you have to carry that do I think that he has to help support you in that I do think they should be able to argue the circumstances of it but I think that in a general rule if the
01:40:05
Bethanywoman has to pay those medical bills and they do not have a choice to have an abortion then the man should have some part in that obligation as well yeah I don't think that that's the
01:40:17
Andrew Wilsonportion that's being argued though if we if we're going to assume that it's a a a living child from inception I don't think anybody would say that the man wouldn't have to take care of his end of
01:40:29
Andrew Wilsonthat obligation but rather we're trying to determine whether or not it is the case that you believe that this is a life to begin with and if you don't then asking for support as though it is seems inconsistent to me I don't think that
01:40:42
Bethanyyou're asking for support for the fetus though you're asking for support for your medical bills for your own body even if the woman decides to get an abortion that costs a around $600 to
01:40:54
Bethany$2,000 depending on where she can go and so if the male counterpart of this responsibility is not willing to even a little bit help out with the medical bills the woman well I mean that's
01:41:06
Andrew Wilsonridiculous if his standard is that that is a child why would he be obligated to assist you in your abortion no he wouldn't that's what I'm saying essentially asking him to to murder from
01:41:17
Bethanyhis worldview with his money right no I'm saying if the woman cannot have an abortion then the men should be obligated if the woman can have an abortion the man should have a choice as
01:41:28
Andrew Wilsonwell that's what I've been trying to say this entire time I just don't okay yeah I don't know if that came across trying to be trying to be charitable to the Viewpoint here I just I noticed that that was a massive inconsistency but it
01:41:40
Brian Atlasseems like you've moved it back to a more consistent standard for us so sure I appreciate good that good talk good talk let me let me do a couple of
01:41:50
Brian Atlasthe chats here we have rockhead AB hey thank you man appreciate it guys by the way our TTS is back again stream laab should be back again so it's coming in clean my my wife of 27 years passed away
01:42:03
Brian Atlassuddenly in 2022 hey sorry man sorry to hear that she couldn't have kids so my existence is a lonely one find someone to love and make a family at 64 it's too
01:42:12
Brian Atlaslate for me time is a c Master dude rockhead first off bro there's still time you're 64 you got
01:42:22
Brian Atlasthis bro you got this there's plenty of babes at the bingo hall I dude you're good don't trip uh thank you man though sorry sorry
01:42:32
Brian Atlasto hear about your loss and um and uh you know guys can have kids until they're an octogenarian so you're good
01:42:44
Brian Atlasbro you're chilling all right chicken kiev thank you man Andrew can you talk more about your um my okay well this is obviously uh how does it relate I mean
01:42:55
Brian AtlasI'm just going to skip over this unless Andrew you want to say anything but it's obviously a
01:43:02
Brian Atlastroll no okay skipping over it we have uh Bender no we have Jerry beland with 50 Euro hey thank you man appreciate it
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01:43:34
Brian Atlasenlightening look into another subject the media has Twisted into a pseudo extremist movement most self-identifying incels are lonely not violent uh
01:43:46
Brian Atlasyeah I think I kind of touched on that a little bit but uh yeah I think it's the sort of Trope that that it's this violent threat uh most of
01:43:57
Brian Atlasthese guys are just uh lonely who who uh struggle when it comes to uh developing romant romantic relationships either due to uh various well there's various
01:44:09
Brian Atlascircumstances but uh thank you man appreciate it Sasquatch mechanic appreciate a man why do women lie to a man and say the kid ain't his then years down the road they come back
01:44:21
Brian Atlasand say it is just so they can get a child support check then get mad that the man actually wants to be an active father to their child can anyone explain explain what part uh they come
01:44:32
Brian Atlasback and S just so they can get CH well obviously there's a huge financial incentive to uh to lie about it there's also another
01:44:42
Brian Atlasmajor incentive if there was infidelity to lie about it because it would reveal the INF Fidelity if there was you
01:44:53
Brian Atlasknow ongoing monogamous relationship so yeah thank you Sasquatch appreciate it uh we have actually hold on oh we have Nickelodeon here hold on
01:45:05
Brian Atlashey you guys I want to have high hopes for women but I just hear Echoes against us and Them is this a song lyric one of these days they want to become mothers but settle now being Comfortably Numb run like
01:45:17
Brian Atlashell what are you going to what is this like a you in like a death metal band or some what is this send this in as a TTS with a scre of Voice or something I don't know thank you Nickelodeon
01:45:29
Jackalappreciate it all right we're all cut up there let me get into some my pre-show notes here finally can I just say something though yeah absolutely go ahead um I don't know
01:45:39
Jackalwhere that us against them is coming from but that's not at least for me that's not a for me it's not a me against a man it's I don't like that actually
01:45:51
Jackalum I really appreciate men and what they do um and I honor them and do are they all perfect no but are women perfect no we're all imperfect and that's why we
01:46:00
Jackalneed God Jesus salvation you know just therapy like you know all these different things um so yeah I never said US versus them so I'm sorry if that is
01:46:13
Anastasia (Pandana)coming across in any type of way but that's not that's not the message I'm I'm trying to send here can I piggyback off that real quick yeah so um I feel like that might have been somewhat
01:46:23
Anastasia (Pandana)directed like toward me but I'm not trying to insinuate that either and like I know I know based on like my amazing relationship that I'm in that like there are good men out there and I'm not
01:46:35
Anastasia (Pandana)trying to suggest otherwise but I will also say it came to mind as that person mentioned a an incel podcast there was a statistic I can't remember where but you can definitely pull it up online and it
01:46:45
Anastasia (Pandana)was a study that showed that inell men and this is a proven study are are more violent and aggressive and incel woman are more um depressed and like um
01:46:57
Anastasia (Pandana)different uh they they suffer different like avoidant personality traits than in cell men and there's a study on this so much there I mean there's so much there first off I don't know what study you're
01:47:08
Brian Atlasreferring to I've actually seen other studies that seem to indicate that uh compared to the general population uh men who are in cells are
01:47:17
Brian Atlasactually less likely to be violent but uh your assertion that there are even female incels is just laughable there's no s no woman cannot be involuntarily
01:47:32
Brian Atlascelibate they there are no we can agree to disagree there's no agreeing to disagree you a woman cannot be an
01:47:42
Brian Atlasincel I'm not going to here's the metric here's the metric of what it takes to be uh an inel so I know what it means oh tell me what incel stands for involuntarily celibates involuntarily
01:47:55
Brian Atlascelibates so let's assume that the metric to be involuntarily celibate is somebody who's incapable of securing a sexual relationship now we need to for
01:48:06
Brian Atlasthe sake of this conversation we need to exclude people who for religious reasons are waiting until marriage generally speaking yeah I agree generally speaking now you can say that there's certain uh
01:48:18
Brian Atlasthere's a certain social climate that where in previous times that was a social norm and you would have not had such an issue finding a marriageable
01:48:29
Brian Atlaspartner but let's let's uh look at it perhaps from a more secular view so you have a bunch of men who
01:48:39
Brian Atlasdespite efforts to get even casual sex are unable to they can't get a relationship they can't get casual sex they can't get
01:48:49
Brian Atlasanything my position on this is that any woman regardless of her physical appearance she could be obese even if she was inclined to have a
01:49:00
Brian Atlascasual sexual encounter with a man of comparable physical attractiveness could do so very easily um I think it's circumstantial I think there are less um of there are
01:49:13
Anastasia (Pandana)less female incels but they exist like there are people across the world that um don't have the same privilege we do of going out into a busy City like Los Angeles or Santa Barbara New York and just meeting anyone there are people in
01:49:24
Anastasia (Pandana)the middle of nowhere who get bullied there and like there are forums where there are like Insel women who feel worthless or like low self-esteem and cannot and then struggle with getting laate and feel like they're a burden
01:49:36
Brian Atlasokay let me ask you a question so let's let's remove this this argument of well there's women that live in the sticks in a 200 population city let's say that
01:49:46
Brian Atlasthere's male incels in New York City let's let's assume there are right I assume there's much let's assume are there female incels in New York City
01:49:56
Anastasia (Pandana)because you made it a geogra I wouldn't know but I'm not sure honestly you could be right there might be none in New York City I don't know in New York New York City is very liberal and very sexually
01:50:09
Anastasia (Pandana)free like maybe everyone's everyone I don't know I don't keep a tally on them all okay but I will say there are female incels in the world no there's not because a woman cannot be involuntarily
01:50:20
Brian Atlasyes they can any woman regardless of her she could be how do I explain I think it could also be a mental
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Brian Atlasthing an obese woman who's incredibly unattractive can still procure casual sex and I think it could also be a mental thing what do you mean a mental thing have you ever seen catfish no
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Anastasia (Pandana)you'll have to explain it to me you've never seen catfish oh okay so um or allegedly you've never seen catfish cool no haven't seen it oh wow um so I think it's a mental health thing too cuz a lot of like the women that go on there
01:50:57
Anastasia (Pandana)pretending to be someone else in hopes of finding like a partner they are not unattractive it's a mental thing that keeps them from being able to pursue someone and like a desire to be someone
01:51:07
Andrew Wilsonelse or something like there is a mental health aspect to it too for woman but I they exist there's Insel females that makes no sense look so let's say one of
01:51:17
Andrew Wilsonthese women who is absolutely bad in insane but is not unattractive went out into the middle of the street and hung a sign around her neck which said please come over here and have sexual