Brian KICKS OUT Rude Girl?! 40 Year Old VIRGINS?! Andrew Wilson! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #142

Date: 2024-03-11

Duration: 6h 04m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAnastasia (DT142)>

BBethany (DT142)>

MMartina (DT142)>

JJackal (DT142)>

CChristine (DT142)>

HHannah (DT142)>

MMonique (DT142)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Martina(guest)

SPEAKER_03Hannah(guest)

SPEAKER_04Anastasia (Pandana)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Christine(guest)

SPEAKER_08Jackal(guest)

SPEAKER_09Monique(guest)

SPEAKER_11Bethany(guest)

Key Moments

ControversyBrian reveals malicious flake: a guest deliberately no-showed and posted 'you've been humbled' on Instagram. Brian threatened small claims lawsuit for tortious interference with business.

“she posted to be on the show... 4:30 she's supposed to be here at 4. She says 'yeah' and 'whatever you've been humbled'”

OtherMonique (41) and Jackal (39) reveal they are both virgins waiting for marriage. Chat reacts with surprise.

“I'm a virgin and I'm waiting until marriage to have sex... I'm a 41-year-old virgin”

OtherChristine reveals she is waiting for marriage now but is not a virgin; has been celibate 1 year after becoming closer to God.

“I am waiting for marriage now but I'm not a virgin... I've been celibate um a year”

Key MomentAndrew coins the 'Bronze Age pro-lifer' critique: pro-choice women who become conservative on men's reproductive obligations. Extended abortion/child support debate.

“you're basically like a Bronze Age prolifer when it comes to men's responsibility”

OtherSelf-rating round: Anastasia rates 8/10/6, Bethany 6, Martina 6, Christine 7-8, Hannah does hometown poll (10 local, 7.5 avg, 5 self), Monique 8, Andrew 4.

“ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10”

ControversyMartina argues porn is harder to quit than heroin and describes 6-9 month withdrawal/numbness. Andrew checks fighthenewdrug.org live and notes evidence is less extreme than claimed.

“I believe that porn is harder to quit than heroin”

Key MomentBrian shows video of woman bowing to husband; asks panel if they would bow. Hannah refuses - only bows to God. Extended debate on bowing, submission, and Christianity.

“I'd want my girlfriend to bow to me when she greets me at the door”

OtherAnastasia reveals she started platonic escorting at age 16 while in foster care, influenced by a friend. Never did prostitution. Still does it occasionally.

“16... I was in foster care and my home girl she did it first”

ControversyUnnamed rude guest (diarized as SPEAKER_04) calls Andrew a 'little bitch' and uses profanity. Brian kicks her out. Guest shouts as she leaves.

“you can leave you can leave go ahead you're a... get out of here”

Topics Discussed

Intro / Show opening / Flake discussion

Brian apologizes for late start. Discusses malicious flake from a guest who deliberately no-showed and posted on Instagram 'you've been humbled'. Brian threatened small claims lawsuit for tortious interference. Multiple technical issues: internet, audio, cameras. Dedicated show to Akira Toriyama (DBZ creator).

Guest introductions & relationship statuses

All guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Relationship statuses: Anastasia in a relationship (1yr), Bethany in a relationship (1yr+), Martina legally separated (2yr), Jackal single 4mo, Christine single 3yr, Hannah single 1yr+, Monique single 2.5yr. Monique and Jackal reveal they are virgins waiting for marriage.

Virginity, abstinence, and waiting for marriage

Extended discussion about Monique (41) and Jackal (39) being virgins. Chat challenges whether virginity over 25 is 'weird'. Brian says it is rare but not weird. Christine reveals she is celibate/waiting for marriage now (1yr celibate, not a virgin). Discussion of freezing eggs vs trusting God for fertility. Andrew and Anastasia debate whether asking women to have premarital sex is predatory. IVF statistics cited: 2-12% live birth rate for frozen eggs under 38.

World War I and II history quiz

Brian quizzes the panel on WW1 and WW2 dates and allied/axis powers. Most guests had incorrect dates. Correct answers: WW1 1914-1918, WW2 1939-1945. Christine mentioned she took US citizenship test but couldn't recall exact years.

Incel debate / female incels

Anastasia and Andrew debate whether female incels exist. Andrew argues no woman can be truly involuntarily celibate. Anastasia argues they exist (low numbers but present). Andrew concedes the exception case but maintains it's a statistical aberration. Brian notes the incel moral panic is overblown; most incels are lonely not violent.

Kentucky prenatal child support bill / abortion / men's reproductive rights

Brian raises Kentucky Senate bill allowing child support for unborn children. Bethany argues men should share medical costs if woman has no choice. Extended debate between Brian and Bethany on pro-choice vs male financial obligations. Andrew notes logical inconsistency of supporting abortion but mandating male financial support. Brian coins phrase 'Bronze Age pro-lifer' for pro-choice women who demand male responsibility. Bethany's position evolves toward supporting some male choice framework.

OnlyFans / sex work attitudes

Brian asks who does OnlyFans. Only Anastasia does. She says she plans to stop when she has kids. Bethany, Jackal, Christine, Monique all decline for various reasons (relationship, faith, standards). Discussion of Anastasia's escorting history (started at 16 in foster care, platonic only).

Christianity, body count, and converting to faith

Andrew poses hypothetical: would Brian choose a high body count woman who adopted Christianity over same body count woman who didn't? Brian concedes he'd pick the Christian woman. Andrew warns about women using Christian conversion to appear more virtuous to men. Christine (not a virgin, now celibate) explains her faith journey. Debate on whether 'born again abstinence' is genuine or a dating strategy.

Relationship ratings (self-rating round)

Panel asked to rate their looks 1-10. Anastasia: 8 personal / 10 to loved ones / 6 public. Bethany: 6. Martina: 6. Christine: 7-8. Hannah: 10 in hometown / 7.5 poll average / 5 self-rated. Monique: 8. Andrew: 4 (Brian said he's underselling). Brian: 'can't pick 7'.

Porn addiction debate (Martina's divorce story)

Martina discusses separation from husband citing porn/alcohol addiction. Claims porn is harder to quit than heroin; references 'Fight the New Drug' (Salt Lake City charity). Brian and Andrew push back skeptically. Martina describes edging. Andrew checks the Fight the New Drug website live; notes the evidence is less extreme than Martina claims. Martina also espouses no-sunglasses and barefoot grounding philosophy. Could not name a single Pink Floyd song despite wearing their t-shirt.

Platonic escorting / Anastasia's background

Brian probes Anastasia's background in sex-adjacent work. She started platonic escorting at 16 while in foster care (influenced by a friend). Currently does stripping and OnlyFans, is in a relationship. Has accepted $300/hr for platonic lunch dates. Never done prostitution.

Trans dating / homosexuality debate

Bethany says she is pansexual and would date a trans person if she loved them. Brian states sleeping with a trans woman is not straight. Andrew argues the definition of homosexual/heterosexual is based on biological sex not gender. Panel split on whether a fully-transitioned MTF person constitutes 'a woman'.

Bowing to husband debate (Hannah)

Brian shows video of a woman bowing to her husband at the door. Hannah refuses to bow to a human, only to God. Andrew and Brian debate whether the bow is compatible with Christianity. Andrew bows in church to his priest. Hannah eventually agrees to curtsy. Discussion of Hannah's septum nose ring (got it because she likes cows).

Dating app behavior / first date dynamics

Brian complains women on first dates don't reciprocate conversation. Anastasia says she prefers to pay on first dates. Discussion of men paying vs women simping. Brian says optimal move is man pays; recommends coffee dates over food for easy exit.

Child support laws / draft / military / patriarchy

Anastasia argues women are not privileged because they are exempt from the draft; says the draft was imposed on women by men and women never chose it. Andrew and Brian disagree - exemption from conscription is a privilege. Extended debate on women in combat roles, physical standards, wage gap. Anastasia concedes combat roles suit men better physically but argues pay should be equal.

Feminist guest kicked out (~5:30 mark)

An unnamed guest (diarized under SPEAKER_04) became increasingly combative with Andrew. She called Andrew a 'little bitch' and used profanity toward the panel. Brian had already started telling her to leave before the verbal escalation. Guest was removed from the show. Brian referenced this in the closing.

Tweet reaction: flaker's social media

Brian reacts to tweets from the girl who was in the show thumbnail but flaked. Her tweets showed non-traditional/provocative content, contradicting her claim to be traditional. Brian read out multiple tweets and commented on inconsistency between 'traditional' self-presentation and actual posts.

Transcript

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TTS/Donationsstill genetically a man period end of story we are not God I mean I think um this is wait you you no go ahead go ahead go ahead I think this is all like

Andrew Wilsonvery subjective and I just think like they subjective um not subjective what does homosexual mean homo meaning shame sexual mean

Andrew Wilsonsex they unless you're claiming that they're a different sex because they've had genital mutilation I would like to actually hear the rationale for how this is not objective see that's a claim that can be

Anastasia (Pandana)made you can like disagree with that but there are people that firmly believe that that's why I feel this question people can firmly believe things that aren't true right there's a lot of

Andrew Wilsonspecies that switch Sexes and then they're considered our species is not one of those species that can switch sex unless are you claiming are you claiming that the that humans can switch their

Bethanysex no well I mean medically no medically yes we now have a way to do no medically we cannot switch our sex not your sex your gender right but your expression I don't know the right word

Andrew WilsonI'm don't want to say so let's break this down gender is a social construction sex is a biological certainty okay correct gender is a social

Andrew Wilsonconstruction how we perceive a male or a female as being as far as behavioral characteristics go we can say that's socially constructed right based on culture based on things like this however sex and sex characteristics

Andrew Wilsonthemselves those are not socially constructed those are biological realities meaning if you were in a coma and you were the last person on Earth

Anastasia (Pandana)who existed your sex would still be what your sex was I mean but they get their like IDs changed and everything and like I could get you can get your ID

Anastasia (Pandana)changed right now to doctor does that make you a doctor you could change your name to doctor such and such does that mean you're a doctor now no but I'm saying like if in the scenario you just said

Anastasia (Pandana)like technically wouldn't they be looked at as like a woman on their or men or whatever they have identified as and gone through like the procedures to become like on their deathbed wouldn't

Anastasia (Pandana)like the doctors still like perceive them as that if they're dead no here let me give you an example of how untrue this actually is here I give

Andrew Wilsonyou an example okay let's assume for a second that there was a virus that only affected males and not ever females if

Anastasia (Pandana)somebody had transition from a um male to a female would that virus still affect them bi biologically I guess it would be capable of affecting them in theory in this like

Andrew Wilsonextreme hypothetical no it's not an extreme hypothetical are some viruses only affect different Sexes I don't know if you're aware of that but but but the question becomes if that is true and it would still affect

Andrew Wilsonthem then you have just determined that their sex has not been changed um I think this is subjective I have a

TTS/Donationsquestion how could it be a subjective if you just gave donated $100 using the animal reference is stupid animals do things that people

TTS/Donationsshould never do rodent seat they young male dogs will hump other male dogs just because animals do doesn't make it okay we are animals people do things animals

Anastasia (Pandana)wouldn't and shouldn't do like pollute the Earth and whatever other reference I can think of I feel like that's like an invalid argument why would that be an invalid argument obviously we can

Andrew Wilsontranscend what lower animals do and I know this because we eat them and seem to think it's okay and we don't eat people and seem to think that that's not okay there's a lot of cannibals I think

Andrew Wilsonwe have a lot of like issues do you think we should eat people no no clearly you hold people in a different regard than other animals then don't you well I mean

Anastasia (Pandana)I no and yes I mean I was vegan for years but I'm not currently so I'm not going to say your claim is like completely yeah that claim went out the

Anastasia (Pandana)window the second you had that nice tri tip St I do I do think that we as a society are are um corrupted in many ways and could

Anastasia (Pandana)do better like if being vegan was more easily accessible everyone could do it and we could be ethical and not eat animals but it's not an easy thing to do

Anastasia (Pandana)either don't you make tons of money on only fans I lived in Guam for four months I mean you could be if you wanted to be in gu they don't have like tofu

Anastasia (Pandana)like you can yeah okay but they have vegetables and Guam yeah I guess so you're not you're not a vegan because you like to eat meat so clearly you think that eating

Anastasia (Pandana)meat that eating animals consuming their flesh after they're killed is absolutely fine if you think that that's true clearly hold people in a different I think we like that's why people

Anastasia (Pandana)identify themselves as Sinners because we all do things that are bad and I think that is bad actually like no I don't think it's fine I think it's but do it anyway socially normal but I don't

Andrew Wilsonthink it's like good then why do you do it um I don't know I'll stop now but I I don't agree with that so you're going to

Andrew Wilsonstop eating meat yeah I already did for years and now suddenly you're going to start again because you suddenly had the realization that it's immoral to you well I acknowledged it was 30 convers an

Anastasia (Pandana)immoral thing that I've turned a blind eye to but I shouldn't you're right we shouldn't turn a blind eye to that it is aoral it's immoral to eat meat I think so okay so you're never going to eat

Andrew Wilsonmeat again you're right and do you consider eating meat to be on par with human cannibalism

Andrew Wilsonum I don't know about that well if the answer is no and you don't can then you must hold animals in a different regard than you hold humans so just saying that we're Animals still make no sense I I

Anastasia (Pandana)agree with the fact that I hold animals and and we as a society and not just myself but yes including me hold animals in a different regard than right other people so if you do then just saying that we're animals would be a silly

Anastasia (Pandana)argument right because you clearly believe that there's something distinctive between us and animals or you wouldn't eat their think I think any other animal would favor its Brethren and its species over us no they don't

Andrew Wilsongive a animals eat each other all the time including within their own species not every animal I didn't say every animal but many of them do and

TTS/Donationsalmost all carnivores will eat their dead we don't eat our dead truth bomb donated $100 at the end of the day when human remains are discovered they can be

TTS/Donationsidentified by bone structure they don't look at male bones and say I wonder if this person identified as a female this is crazy I'm not arguing with Biology

Anastasia (Pandana)I'm just saying everyone matters like everyone poly people matter um any other sexuality that's escaping my mind at the moment trans lives matter everyone matters that's what that's an empty

Anastasia (Pandana)platitude though and that's how I feel you all lives matter what you believe all lives matter right I believe everybody matters I don't believe in the term all lives matter yeah but you do

Andrew Wilsonbecause you think everybody matters what all and everybody what's the distinction between those two words all people versus every person the abuse of that term in recent like years so you're

Anastasia (Pandana)getting a political connotation the the yeah the negative con I I don't care to even remotely affiliate with the negative connotation surrounding the term that has been established let's

Andrew Wilsonforget the political connotation for a second when you say when you say all meaning everyone everybody matters that would necessarily be inclusive of trans

Andrew Wilsonpeople and everybody else right everybody matters right so then the only reason that you're making these special

Andrew Wilsondistinctions and categories is it's a correct it's cuz what I'm sorry it's a virtue signal virtue I don't understand what you mean by that it's you saying that I hold this category in this regard

Anastasia (Pandana)as being special in some way which is why I'm singling it out I I think newer like categories like trans was kept in the dark for longer so it does need to be mentioned it's more mod modern

Anastasia (Pandana)certain categories need to be mentioned more because they're more modern women's rights as well because women didn't have the same rights just within like the past Century so you're virtue signaling

Andrew Wilsonyou think it's maximum virtue in order to identify these groups which you consider to be oppressed and then give them some type of special shout out that is literally the definition of virtue signaling fair enough then I do that if

Andrew Wilsonthat's so you your virtue signaling so that's meaningless to me virtue signaling is meaningless to me I'm just facts of the matter are okay but the facts of the matter are that's what I'm

Andrew Wilsondoing that's how I feel and I feel that those virtues matter mhm yeah it's a it's a it's a huge huge virtue signal so

Andrew Wilsonback to the uh question at hand as to whether or not trans individuals if you engage a uh m2f transitioner to um them

Andrew Wilsonhaving sex with a fellow male can you explain how that's not homosexual sex I'm sorry I'm going to need you to repeat that cuz something like semi-interesting if two men if two men

Anastasia (Pandana)have sex how are they not homosexuals um by their own um boundaries and

Andrew Wilsondefinition I'm guessing in that c so ass for so I can't put myself got so let's assume for a second then that if if it's based on self ID if two men are engaged

Andrew Wilsonin a sex act and one of them decides to changed their gender in the middle of having sex is it now a heterosexual sex act meaning let's assume one of them says I'm a woman one says I'm a man

Andrew Wilsonthey're both males but in the middle of them having sex one says you know what I'm a man again are they homosexuals

Andrew Wilsonthen if you say so no I'm asking I'm asking you it's so unrealistic that I can't you could just self ID that's what you're saying as as you self ID as being

Andrew Wilsonthis thing and your boundaries support this thing then a person in the middle of having sex with another person the other person could say well now my gender is this and that would make them a homosexual I

Anastasia (Pandana)mean I don't I don't know I think just people's boundaries matter and like how they identify every like their cards should be laid on the table beforehand they should be transparency

Anastasia (Pandana)and boundaries matter that's where I'm getting at that's all comes down to transparency and this doesn't someone was to I think if someone was to say

Anastasia (Pandana)something um midx of that regard it would matter what their intention is and what their

Anastasia (Pandana)relationship is I think like the way you're describing it sounds like it's of malicious intent in which case I would think that that's like malicious no there's no malicious intent they just mean as long as they're aware like maybe

Anastasia (Pandana)like they switch G like I I hear like BDSM people switch maybe like they're aware in advance that their partner switches gender I'm not like familiar with that I haven't met anyone that like

Anastasia (Pandana)identifies as that or does that but like if they're aware of that with each other and two consenting adults then I don't think it matters big SAS energy donated

Andrew Wilson100 it's only gay if you continue pumping and in the middle of them uh having sex can one of them change their race no but that's definitely not the

Andrew Wilsonsame why why can't they all they have to do is deci different I I race and gender identity are not the same oh wait wait now it's gender identity not a biological reality

Andrew Wilsonso if it's just a gender identity then I never thought it was a biological reality we've like already established it's like if it's a biological reality and it's two people of the same sex

Andrew Wilsonhaving sex how is it not homosexual sex then homo meaning shame sex meaning you know sex I think there's lawyer a lot of identities checkm I don't agree but I

Anastasia (Pandana)just think there's a lot of different ways people nowadays I identify and have their own sexuality and are not they identify as being black and then they identify as being white why are they

Anastasia (Pandana)wrong going from gender to race it's just it's not the same they both social constructions correct or is race biolog

Andrew Wilsonreality social social okay all right all right um oh it is a social construction so they can change their race in the middle of having sex then right no but is it a social construction isn't it I'm

Anastasia (Pandana)asking you is it a social construction or biological reality don't I don't know but I I know they're not the same right okay I know that you can do a 23 and me and see like your race and

Andrew Wilsonbackground that's in your your your blood so then if it's a biological reality race if race is a biological reality and you can't change that in the middle of sex and your sex is a biological reality which you can't

Anastasia (Pandana)change in the middle of sex then it would have to be homosexual sex there couldn't be any other there couldn't be anything else it could be I feel like people can identify as whatever they'd

Anastasia (Pandana)like and people move white people move no no cuz those are those are biological realities can't change those right there's they're

Anastasia (Pandana)they're not just biological realities they're like light that Siggy up Andrew oh my God he put it back

Brian Atlasbro oh okay you missed the the Siggy light oh my God Nick

Brian Atlasrude Nicholas Nicholas Gertrude Guantanamo if Andrew is ever lighting a

Brian Atlascigarette you never You never switch away never okay um what would the kids think what will the kids think what would the kids all right let me let me read a

Brian Atlascouple chats here and then you guys can continue talking about um gay sex or whatever it was you guys were talking about uh Carl Bennington says I love

Brian Atlassweet thank you bro appreciate it uh we have H kubanski oh wait that's just one of did you already pull this

TTS/Donationsone up Nick yeah okay this one okay I'm just waiting there TTS coming in here it is niod on donated

TTS/Donations$100 does everyone really matter or only special interest oppressed groups don't tell me there's no hope at all together we stand divided we

Brian Atlasfall beautiful by the way I just want to take this moment to while we're talking about gay sex and stuff to

Brian Atlasuh this episode is I feel like this is a bit flippant to say sorry it's being kind of this episode is dedicated to the memory in memory of oh I shouldn't say

Brian Atlasit now I feel like I'm being huh I gotta wait a little bit just talked about Cas I just talked about I shouldn't talk about now I shouldn't do a me don't do okay okay okay okay you're right so I

Brian Atlaswas just going to say I put out these Dragon Ball Z VHS containers not DVD containers VHS containers just like in

Brian Atlasmemory cool um all right we have Matthew harder here Jesus Brian here let me spell it out for you and uh all the astrology lovers on the panel there will be a solar eclipse on the 8th of April

Brian Atlasin North America this is where the sun is blocked by the moon the next one is in 20 years experience it can somebody Cipher his super chats bro is he

TTS/Donationsbeing literal no there's like a Cipher like he's there's like some words are capitated $100 Andrew why do you always look like

TTS/Donationsyou're about to cry and why do you do that tick with your head where you turn it to your left all these women are smarter than not so bright

Andrew Wilsonokay so let me respond to some of this I I can't help the fact that I have a negative cantle tilt okay it's just the way I was it's

Andrew Wilsonthe way I was born right it's it's an Irish trait what can I say right so maybe that's why I always look like I'm sad even though I'm always happy but then to the other end of this um no

Andrew Wilsonthey're not all smarter than not so bright but most of them are so H cool guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop

Brian Atlasus a follow drop us a prime sub if you have Amazon Prime you can link it to Twitch is a quick free easy way to support the show every single month also uh sub to our Clips channel oh never mind I already beat you Nick sorry you know what I should have said you know

Andrew Wilsonwhat I should have said in retrospect but now it's not going to be nearly as funny what I should have said was I look like I'm always about to cry cuz I'm on a panel with these women that would have been awesome but I it up

Brian AtlasBrian you missed opportunity Andrew missed opportunity okay uh God damn how did we we started talking about that stuff cuz like you brought that up super randomly thanks dude we

Anastasia (Pandana)established this thanks bro in thought took over congrats but like so for example right what I'm straight oh we're still on this let's go

Anastasia (Pandana)if I didn't want to date uh a trans woman do you we just established your your preference you're entitled to okay but I would think it might be not

Brian Atlasstraight to suck a woman's dick what just saying you know what I

Brian Atlasmean would that be cuz you said right cuz a woman could have a penis right

Brian Atlasno right a woman could have a penis a m aites no no no no no no oh that's a good point but are you saying trans women aren't women because you could be a transwoman

Brian Atlasbut not have well talking to the mic but you could be a trans woman but not have had bottom surgery and still have your peen right

Bethanyyeah do you plan to keep it like what do are you are you keeping the peen like I think argument though is it doesn't the thing is most people right now say that

Bethanywoman they're still a woman a woman right if they're identifying as a woman then technically yes they're going to be a woman like for their legal sex I don't

Andrew Wilsonthink that they would you could put the number so wait a second so if you gave one of these women in add dress a you would be a

Andrew Wilsonlesbian the wrong person to ask sure that doesn't sound insane and ridiculous to you at all like the second you actually said the word sure did you

Bethanythink to yourself that's the dumbest thing I've ever said I mean honestly well for me personally I just really don't care because me person I get that

Andrew Wilsonyou don't care but you know for if we're talking about it if you just basically sucked off a dude in a dress you would actually say that that's lesbian

Moniquesex I think I I'm confused now I don't agree with this convers going back to the original why he even brought that up is because he's saying people say that it's

Moniquetransphobic I think the whole I get where I so a man I think you're people are entitled who is a trans woman that really is a man so

Bethanytherefore that's like the long way of round of going being homosexual is what it is so I think people are entitled to their preferences I think honestly everybody like in my opinion anybody can

Moniquedecide if how they feel like if that is for them queer or not we're not saying preference in the sense because he's saying specifically people are being called transphobic for something oh I don't think that's transphobic at all

Bethanyit's okay that's what he's saying that's the original argument I think that it's such a progressive concept that to be quite honest most people don't really have a solid firm identity of how they would

Andrew Wilsondeal with that or what they would I think that as because let me give a little push back there because I do see I think that they would say well no

Andrew Wilsonyou're gay that's what I think that they would say I think they would say if a dude was blowing another guy I think they would say you're gay that's what I think would happen I don't think there's

Anastasia (Pandana)any confusion at all in fact I don't think anybody's confused about this I I think I would be interested in the take of a trans person and how they perceive

Anastasia (Pandana)that and I can't put myself in their shoes I can only um empathize with their plights and the way they're like

Anastasia (Pandana)stigmatized in society I can't um put myself in their what why do I need to put their myself in their shoes to understand that if a

Andrew Wilsondude blows another dude I don't understand the mentality of everybody else in the world I think why do I need to understand the mentality of somebody else to know that if a dude blows

Andrew Wilsonanother dude they're gay why do I need to what mentality am I missing here because you talking I feel like I'm not I feel like I'm straight like is

Bethanythat the mental wait you said because we're talking woman because we're talking about somebody who's identifying as a woman and who has a penis but yes but if you're talking about everybody in the

Bethanyworld will look at that and be like oh it's gay it's not gonna be viewed like that from everybody in the world especially a lot of people in our generation I think that it's queer I don't think that it's necessarily gay I think anything involving the community

Andrew Wilsonis inherently queer so you could say that it's not straight but I wouldn't say that it's everyone's going to say oh it's gay is it homosexual I think almost everybody's going to say that it's gay

Andrew Wilsonfact let me just T out here's one thing I think I think right now that if we went down a any American Street which

Andrew Wilsonwhich exists and we were to ask people sir or ma'am if a man sucked off a man who is wearing a dress would you consider them to be gay what do you

Bethanythink they would say I think a very important point to make and why I'm now hang on let her answer what do you think they would say wasn't this question for me okay I think that if it's a man in a dress then it's a man in a dress I think

Andrew Wilsonif it's somebody identifying as a woman in a dress then it's somebody ident as a woman and a dress and those let change it then we'll say we go down the same street and we say Sir there's a man

Andrew Wilsonwho's going to suck off another man who identifies as a woman right there's two males but one identifies as a woman and one's about to suck the other one off do you think that they're gay what do you think they would

Bethanysay I think it's queer I think that not everybody's going to say that's gay so I think it falls under the umbrella of queer and then each person is going to personally Define that instance well G what does queer mean does that mean

Andrew WilsonLGBT Spectrum anything under the lgbtq Spectrum trans all that is all Queer just like yeah but that would mean if it's if it's queer or lgbtq let me get let me make sure I got

Andrew Wilsonthis right lesbian right gay so far am I correct so far bisexual transgender and queer this is

Bethanyall other than S this is all same seex activity correct no here is an overarching umbrella that includes all of those things it doesn't have to necessar I'm so confused lesbian

Andrew Wilsonwould be same sex right gay would be same sex bisexual is alluding to people who also have sex with the same sex I'm so confused by this B seexual doesn't necessarily mean sex with the same sex

Andrew Wilsonwell then I I'm I'm confused if you only had sex with the opposite sex how could you be bisexual no bisexual is attracted to two

Bethanydifferent so there could be bi bisexual people who are only attracted to like trans women and like yeah we would call

Anastasia (Pandana)them homosexuals small men I've never it's a spectrum I've never met a

Anastasia (Pandana)transmale male born female person who's wanted to keep their male gentia

Andrew Wilsonso I can't answer this question what why can't you answer the question car if they keep the Genia or don't keep the

Anastasia (Pandana)genitalia I mean on my experience with like trans people they they cared so I don't think it's fair to categorize them

Andrew Wilsonwith these um hypothetical scenarios that not to I think it's unfair for for you not to consider same same sex activity to be homosexual I think that

Anastasia (Pandana)that's unfair I think you're being the most unfair you can be I I think your hypothetical is I I just think your hypothetical is Nona

Andrew Wilsonapplicable the hypothetical of uh well let's let's see let's see if we can map this on to something which is not a hypothetical there was a music video recently of a man who went on to Adam 22

Andrew Wilsonshow after he made the music video and the music video was all about how the his trans lover was better than if he was a heterosexual and he talked all about how they engaged in all sorts of

Anastasia (Pandana)sex acts with each other so now we're not in hypothetical world anymore is that see the clip I don't know you don't know can't wrap my mind around it it's not like in

Anastasia (Pandana)my sphere of uh things that I am accustomed to but everyone in their preference like they're entitled to

Brian Atlasit well let uh all right I don't think we're going to get any progress there okay I do think

Brian Atlasthough if a dude is sing the D of a transom not sing to

Anastasia (Pandana)D I don't think that's straight I just don't know of that ever happening I think it's queer I'm not saying it doesn't happen I just don't know of that ever happening what the hell this I

Andrew Wilsondon't understand what queer means if it doesn't mean same sex I honestly I don't know I just went through this lesbian same seex gay same seex bisexuals alluding to some sort of same-sex

Bethanyattraction you can't be bisexual you'd be a hetrosexual what do you mean when you say queer if it doesn't mean same sex I think your limited views on that come from the fact that you're determine

Andrew Wilsonthere are only two Sexes there are only are only two sex genders because these are well no no hang on there there's an indefinite amount of genders because of social construction you make up whatever

Bethanyyou want but there's only two sexes okay so I misspoke I meant gender and not sex but queer is going to involve anybody who identifies under any branch of whatever gender they feel like they

Andrew Wilsonare whatever that may and I will accept that as an argument absolutely that you can identify as whatever gender you are the question still comes down to if two people who are engaged in sex sexual

Andrew Wilsonactivities who are the same sex how would they not be under the umbrella of queer wait wait what why is he freezing I don't know I just saw that too it

Andrew Wilsonlooks like we're we're good can you hear me yeah it's fine um okay so why is it then even if we uh ascribe an indefinite amount of genders to people same sex

Andrew Wilsonactivity would be homosexual sexual activity correct same

Brian Atlassex I don't really know how to answer that what's the next question hold on all right I'm going to ask a question to Andrew keep dancing Circle I'm going ask a question to Andrew then we're going to

Brian Atlasmove on Andrew would it be helpful perhaps for uh the more conservative position on this to basically just say that we

Brian Atlasreject gender entirely and we only view this through the framework of sex would that be productive or will they not that's what you're the second you say it's social construction you're already

Andrew Wilsonrejecting it is any anything other than a concept of the mind so we're moving into biology immediately so I'll accept the argument from the left of gender because it's

Andrew Wilsonirrelevant to me gender just means fashion I don't care you can have as many fashion statements as you want a school doesn't exist a building exists that we call a school I can accept all of that as being true but they're just

Andrew Wilsonconcepts of mind what is not a concept of the mind is your biology that is not mind based it's not mind dependent it's going to exist absent your social

Brian Atlasconstruction so I'm just trying to step in their world did I read this one did I read this I think I did right yeah think yeah many times all right we have Jazz

Brian Atlas23 uh of girls are always the worst guest illogical never bring any stats contradict themselves and base opinions on their personal experience and the 12 people they know just narcissistic shout out to Andrew for keeping the convo

Brian Atlasintellectual thank you Jazz 23 appreciate it all right we have rafhael hey thank you man hey guys from Brazil gay 30 years old and one of the stupidest things about

Brian Atlasthis generation is the that or as I like to call it hospice napoleons okay now if I think I'm Napoleon why not force everyone to adapt to me have holy

Brian Atlaspatience well I think you being Brazilian is a probably a uh a uh going to be an issue there when

Brian Atlascomes to your identity as a uh F French Emperor was he Emperor I think he was Emperor okay Matthew harder no Cipher needed brain thank you dude appreciate

Brian Atlasit I'm telling the truth a solar eclipse on the in almost a quarter of America go I think he's being Texas Arkansas Missouri Illinois Kentucky Tennessee

Brian AtlasOhio Pennsylvania New York Connecticut Delaware and Maine tell me I'm wrong I'll be there cool why does he care so much about the solar eclipse is going to

Brian Atlaslast longer than any other one it's it's a big event he's really stoked he's a big Matthew Harter is a big on astronomy he needs new hob

Brian Atlasastrology he's just a fan of telescopes and things getting blacked out like the

Brian Atlassun there's probably a joke there somewhere all right thank you bro all right hold on let me get rid of those okay what other notes do I have here we

Brian Atlashave Mars Mars right Mars is that your nickname what I said Ola you said you've dated an alcoholic racist yes and I'm PR

HannahPuerto Rican Puerto Rican so that was interesting um why don't you do you want to tell us about the alcoholic racist well he was an alcoholic did he hate Puerto Ricans oh no he told me Point

Brian AtlasBlank black people are more shut shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up Jesus Christ this girl's going to oh my God can literally told me Point Blank

Brian Atlasthat did I stop her in time yeah you did amen oh my God this idiot okay bro even if you say it like in a quote

Brian Atlasit just oh my God okay I stopped it in time right you got it you got it okay you got it okay

Andrew Wilsonum is there any just understand that the that Brian's streaming to YouTube and they are very very sensitive about this topic so if you're going to if you're going to discuss it at all the best

Andrew Wilsonthing to do is just say yeah he didn't particularly care for that group I gu something along those lines okay okay moving on don't want to hear any quotes we don't want to hear any of that okay

Brian Atlasum so you also said why do men not know how to act properly yes what do you mean by this I feel like people in general just lack social

Hannahskills okay can you relate it to dating my favorite is when men ask you out on a date and then expect you to go to their house I think that's rude and that's

Hannahdisrespectful you could say no oh I do okay but is that just as soon as they do that just noo yes so if someone asks me out my general rule is if you ask me out

HannahI'll go out with you just mostly cuz I look like a all the time oh so if you have the balls to ask me out I'll say yes but if you say come

Brian Atlasover to my place it's immediate now oh okay that yeah I actually you look bit I I have really good resting face

Brian AtlasRBF word huh okay actually think it's not the worst move to just be like my

Brian Atlasplace ew does that give you the ick yes yeah okay all right I think it it's a good move right

Brian AtlasGustavo see yeah see he agrees uh okay so you say men don't know how to act properly they lack in basic manners but maybe you're just too old school They

Brian Atlasharass you for a date whoa okay yes that's not cool and when they get one they don't talk or they're rude to you or they just get drunk I'm sure it's semispecific to my

Nick (production)area what area are you referring to Maryland yes CRA and football that's what Maryland

Brian Atlasdoes uh what's wrong with what's going on with dudes dating in Maryland what's going on they're terrible at having conversation they're bad oh my

Hannahgoodness yes okay let's role playay a conversation so I can I can give you an exact conversation I have with the man do let's do it bust it out he said how are you doing I said good and he said

Hannahwhat you doing and I said I'm in the garden he said what are you doing in the garden he said I'm picking beans he said what type of beans green beans how do green beans grow there are two types of beans there are bush beans and there are

Hannahpole beans there are pole beans so they grow on a vine he was like that's cool it's like yeah he like but how do they grow you put a seed in the ground and you hope for the best was this a text

Andrew Wilsonconversation yes okay and then he asked me five minutes later what you doing wait this poor guy was just trying to use the Socratic method you know and you just you shut him down over the Socratic

Hannahmethod why why are we having why are we having a conversation about picking beans in a garden it's in it's it's not important

Hannahit leads nowhere conversation every single conversation I have with this man was like chewing on drywall and washing it down with the glass of mayonnaise it was it was the most painful thing yeahum the most painful

Brian Atlasthing but one man doesn't always equal all oh there's a lot like that and ladies do the same thing I I know I know it's R actually yes that's a really good

Brian Atlaspoint women are the most guilty of being dog communicators if you've ever been on a dating app on in your life onew

Brian Atlasanswers you're on the date with the wrong ladies then oh yeah it just means they're not interested in you but women are they they have to be mask a lot of women can't just give you a just straight up rejection or a lot of women

Brian Atlasare just on the dating apps for validation and attention it's rough they have no intention of actually meeting up with the guy they'll just oh I'm getting like a subtle amount of attention from a maybe okay attractive guy I'm never

Brian Atlasgoing to meet up with him but okay I'll just give him one word answers uh women do the all the time too we're all the same we're equal actually let me let me double down on this most

Brian Atlasof uh most of the dates I've been on from dating apps which is a lot you guys are terrible at

Brian Atlasconversation terrible at conversation I think people in general are terrible at conversation let me I want to ask the chat chat you guys have been on dates

Brian Atlasdating apps whatever this is my experience if I did what women do on a first date it would be like dead silent because you guys have this expectation

Brian Atlasof us to lead the conversation and to have initiative and you know direct the flow of conversation I'll ask questions and I'll

Brian AtlasI could ask a girl like seven things about her and I'll like add in like a little banter response she won't ask me one question in

Brian Atlasreturn so lacking reciprocal conversation or interest there's just feel like you should stay off the dating apps oh I stopped I stopped the dating

Brian Atlasapps like a year ago but it was my experience like if I did what women did on a first date wait do we have the chat up yeah has that been your guys's

Brian Atlasexperience on like from any any sort of dating you meet a girl for her first date what doesn't matter how you met her although obviously there's C there's better ways than dating apps to meet a woman

Brian Atlasuh if you didn't carry the convers you have to carry the conversation as a guy it should be mutual it should be I tend to carry it most of the time on the dates that I go on and look I'm not

Brian Atlasthere's definitely women I've encountered women that are decent decent conversationalist and uh but it occurs to me like if I just did what women did

Brian Atlasand I just like you guys are looking to us to to talk like if I just stopped talking on a date it would be

Moniquesilent I think a lot of times women do do that if they're not interested and instead of hurting someone's feelings free food you picked the wrong one I

Moniqueain't paying for your but also sometimes I think because when you meet somebody online you go you meet someone online and then sometimes when you meet them in person it's completely different

Brian Atlasso saying I'm a Catholic I'm just saying it's yeah so I understand that's I'm not saying it's right so right when you meet these women in person after you remove all the

Brian Atlasfilters that they've put on their photos and the the caked on makeup and the precise lighting and the posing and all this and the the Photoshop you're right the woman I meet in person looks nothing

Brian Atlaslike her dating app profile photos you're so right that is unfortunate maybe men should do that too they'd get more swipes no I don't think men should use filters and makeup I don't think

Martinathey I don't think either of them should do it I feel like we expect everybody else to entertain us and you expect to entertain or you expect for us to entertain you when we should be

Brian Atlasentertaining ourselves you can get a Netflix subscription if you want entertainment I'm not here to be your dancing monkey ENT and you're not absolutely but I feel like we can have a conversation I would love a conversation

Brian Atlaswhat I'm saying is ask me a question about me I can I remember when I used to go on dates dating app right from I start I got on dating apps in 2012 that's when I started my YouTube channel

Brian AtlasI have been on so many dating app dates and I'd be asking these girls about their boring ass job cuz that's what you got to do right you got to ask about their boring ass job okay

Brian AtlasI'm sorry I'm being toxic and then I'm like yo I've got an interesting job it never occurred to you lady from dating app to ask me about my kind of unique

Brian Atlasjob not that I really even want to talk about my job but I'm like this would be your opportunity to actually contribute

Brian Atlasto the conversation but no no I suck at conversation I'm just going to let them carry it

Anastasia (Pandana)really can I ask a question Brian how was your day today so uh don't worry about it uh you would say like you you date girls with boring jobs like you don't really care like how much they make I'm guessing right no would you

Anastasia (Pandana)date a girl that works at McDonald's absolutely okay just making sure yeah I've say nothing wrong with it I just wanted to know your take on that that aside oh I'm sorry it was too I also wanted to say piggybacking off your old

Anastasia (Pandana)your other thing cuz this is a hot take and it's like ironic but like I mean it it's it it fits me because I'm so like equal So Pro equality like I prefer to pay for the first date good for you yeah

Anastasia (Pandana)but I'm mentioning that cuz I think that that's like beneficial too like for the woman because now my man pays the rent like like if you really like someone like nowadays I do basically agree on

Anastasia (Pandana)the one hand with the one point that women are in a better position to pursue men and vice versa like you can have the conversation go south immediately so okay let me give two

Brian Atlasthings on the the whole paying thing the most Optimum thing you can do as a man is to just pay for them pay for the date like that's the most Optimum thing you can do we can have conversations about what's equal what's fair Etc we can have

Brian Atlasconversations of all these non-traditional women still expecting feeling entitled to and demanding traditional treatment from men but that really at the end of the day even the most we Andrew you remember the girl

Brian Atlasfrom the last show the ofof girl the porn star wanted traditional treatment even non-traditional women who are engaged in sex work and are highly promiscuous still feel entitled and

Brian Atlasexpect men to adhere to their traditional there's entitled people in the world yeah not the the most Optimum thing because you don't always know who you're going to get you don't know

Brian Atlasreally unless you have a conversation about it which could be detrimental uh the best thing is to just pay for the first date but also I'd recommend to men if you are kind of like you know trying to be a little Frugal uh you can do

Brian Atlassomething for free or you could do something simple like coffee or go get like a drink I think food dates are terrible especially for First Dates cuz it's just like you always

Brian Atlaswhether you're the woman or the man you always want an easy out yeah like if it's just weird it's like you don't want to be waiting 30 minutes for food and like feel obliged to to stay if you get coffee or if you get a drink you can

Anastasia (Pandana)just dip I recommend like museums or something entertaining too cuz then you can tell if they're interested in you or they're just like using the and stuff to distract word but just last thing on the so the

Brian Atlasoptimum move as a guy is to just pay for it but it's if the girl's down to pay but she's doing it like she's a s I think that's the best position but most girls most girls aren't down to simp

Anastasia (Pandana)like that how do you like Define like what's the barrier there what's like simp what's simping to you and like why is it optimal for our like she wants you

Brian Atlasso bad that she's going to pay oh no that's that's would be sing I guess but most women aren't aren't about that but if they are that's great because then that's a that's a better

Anastasia (Pandana)position to be in as a guy a woman could pick up the check with someone she's interested in and it doesn't mean she's like sing true but I mean it's it's I think it means like she's showing interest since it's so normal yeah it

Brian Atlascould be a little it could be a little less intense than like full-on sing but uh when women s for men that usually is like men are going to find that pretty appealing where whereas when men SIM for

Brian Atlaswomen that's not women ain't going for that I don't know my man's a s for me now I love them okay well that's a little different I'm talking like within

Brian Atlasthe context of a initial meeting very early on uh last thing here from Mars uh you said you you took an issue you took issue with my BLM movement big labia oh

Hannahbig lab a matter what what's up I thought we clarified that and said I don't actually have an issue oh okay oh I I have an issue with the Bowing I decided that oh why because I don't think people should bow to other people

Hannahdo you think do you want to get married one day yes so you want a man to get one down on one knee like a growling I didn't say I want him to get down he could just look at me and say let's get married and I'll say okay okay he

Brian Atlasdoesn't have to get down on one knee but that that's what a lot of people do when they propose I'm not a lot of people oh okay cool well I I I don't get it though what

Hannahwhat's the problem with bowing I don't I don't like the idea of bowing to another person I think it's a very vulnerable position your fa is towards the ground the back of your head is towards another

Hannahperson but isn't it usually done as a sign of respect in eastern cultures it is but I don't I mean we don't live in an Easter C respect even in Western

Hannahcultures I I don't like it I don't think uh a person is deserving of that level of respect should we pull up the the B I mean how much respect are they deserving

Hannahof the only the only one you should bow to is God in my opinion I don't think you should be bowing to another person oh I think you're kind of yeah but why I don't understand that why not sorry what

Andrew Wilsonwhy not like if you were in Japan and there was a custom there to like bow to the host would you do it I just probably wouldn't go to Japan to be H Nick can you play the B video out of respect for the

Brian Atlasculture she doesn't like this video because I always show this video where it's like yeah I'd want my girlfriend to bow to me when she greets me at the door uh I mean

Brian Atlasyou can get like a what's up head nod no I'm getting a full full respect bow look at this she can she can show respect in other ways attentive my food's ready I've gotten home to my my million doll P

Brian Atlashouse she can stir the noodles and feed it to you like a child to I don't need the I don't need the noodle stirring that's a bit extra but look at that look at look look at that good great techniques the bow one more time go

Brian Atlasahead show this the bow oh my God boom huge that's huge did you see the bow no I didn't show it one more time please yeah that's so I would want my girl to

Anastasia (Pandana)bow to me like that okay you wouldn't do that I'd be like sup the bro what would you take interest in a girl who's not willing to do that like by any means

Brian Atlasno it's not a deal breaker if she's not down to Bow but is it a big plus if she is oh yeah are you actually being serious like every time show me your bow let's see it stand up what why not no no

Brian AtlasI'm asking like do they bow in in the Philippines is that they do like bless they don't they don't they don't bow in the Philippines that's Japanese okay all right I'm going to get canceled for

Brian Atlasmaking assumptions about okay uh there's no Bowing in the Philippines it's more of like a it's China Japan Korea do they don't bow in in China I

Andrew Wilsonthought they bowed in China I'm not sure I oh no I'll have to ask my Chinese friends so you wouldn't do a bow no so so I got a question for

Andrew Wilsonyou in the Old Testament when Abraham was called lord you said you only would bow to God right why is it that so many

Andrew Wilsonof the male figures in the Bible referred to as Lord would you refer to your man as Lord I don't think I would refer to my

Hannahman as Lord I would I would respect my husband and I would submit to him uh but I don't think I would bow to him what if it just made his day better if you

Andrew Wilsondid I would bow if he would bow back no no no he's not going to Bow back let's say he doesn't B bow back there are there are other ways to show yeah I know I know but that's what

Andrew Wilsonhe wants though yeah that's what I want it's not about you it's about sucks to suck bro it's not about it's not about any of that about look at this

Hannahlook at this TR Christian says I just want you to because I like it and I want you to bow to me like what is he doing that's wrong what at what point does the

HannahI like it end is my question to you at the Bowing just at the Bowing yeah no I would not bow can I say youit

Andrew Wilsonyou w't you won't bow so so let me ask you what makes you submissive exactly to your Christian husband I'd like to know I never said Christian first off well

Andrew WilsonI'm sorry you said you would only bow to God I assume that meant you were a Christian am I wrong it's complicated well I don't know what that means what does that mean it's complicated are you a Christian or are you not a Christian I don't like to say

Andrew Wilsonthat I'm a Christian because I feel like too many people who say they're Christians actually aren't okay well that's fair what would you identify yourself as then just somebody who

Andrew Wilsonbelieves in God yeah and would this be the abrahamic god of uh of which you would believe that Jesus Christ was your lord and savior yes well then that would

Hannahbe called what I mean obviously Christian but I don't like to use the title because there are so many fake people using and I don't want to be associated with that would you deny

Andrew WilsonChrist no okay well then you're a Christian so here's the thing if you're not if you would deny go ahead and deny Christ if you're not a Christian go

Andrew Wilsonahead no I I do not deny Christ you're right because that would make you what then in your view a Christian a heretic in your view a

Hannahheretic I am somebody people who believes in the god of the Bible I do not like using the title Christian the reason I don't is because so many people put labels on things because they think

Andrew Wilsonit sounds cool if we're going to reference the old test hang on hang on back to this um I'm sorry we've had buch of exchanges tonight if you don't mind I'd like to

Andrew Wilsonfinish this one I'm very confused here by this okay you are a person who believes in Christianity but don't do not want the label Christian is this because you don't want the

Hannahresponsibilities that come with Christianity which would include being submissive to your husband it's because I don't want somebody to look at me and say she's a Christian and then see anything that I do as a hypocrite

Hannahso then how could you be a Christian because people make mistakes yeah but that's not hypocritical that you made a mistake hypoc Christianity is not about

Hannahperfection I would say it is because you want to you want to be you want to be perfect you want to be more like God well sure but I mean you're you're a human being you're going to fail over

Andrew Wilsonand over and over and over that's okay we know we understand that that's true that wouldn't be a hypocrisy that would be part of the Christian ethos okay

Andrew Wilsonthen yeah so so I mean if that's true and it is true by the way that nobody's saying that you perfection in Christian I don't know where that idea even came from it's the furest thing from it that I could even imagine is that the

Hannahrequirement of Christianity is perfection Jesus came to absolve you of your sins because you're you're going to sin right that Point yes I do understand that but

HannahI think that you should still have a I don't want to say facade but almost you you should be essentially

Hannahperfect and I don't want people to look at me and say she's not perfect and then call me out so I would just rather not put a label on it so it would be better for you to reject your faith because

Andrew Wilsonyou're concerned that about what other people faith I'm rejecting a a title I'm rejecting oh my God hypocrisy well what is I don't understand why would it be hypocritical

Andrew Wilsonto identify yourself as a Christian even if you weren't perfect what do you mean Christianity is the faith and

Andrew Wilsonbelief that Jesus Christ is Lord yes yes okay you believe Jesus Christ is Lord yes yes so then why would you reject the

Hannahlabel because I do not want people to look at me and think I'm a hypocrite because I don't do everything perfectly yeah but the the requirement of Christianity is not to do things

Andrew Wilsonperfectly where on Earth did you get that

Andrew Wilsonidea I don't know I don't I don't I don't know either that's super bizarre to me but kind of coming back to this if it is true even if you don't call it Christian ity that you believe in the

HannahChristian ethos and you believe in what Christians believe what about submission to your husband I do believe in submitting to my husband but I don't believe that submitting to my husband requires me to bow to him well then that

Andrew Wilsonsounds like you're not submitting it sounds like you have you're being fulfilling my husband's every single desire does not mean submitting that's not fulfilling his every single desire

Anastasia (Pandana)or submission but what does it cost you to Bow if he wants you to doesn't take much bow is pretty minimal you know maybe in her Christian faith in

Anastasia (Pandana)accordance with citations in the Old Testament it's wrong to worship false Idols therefore she does not feel right in bowing to someone besides as she said

Andrew Wilsonwell that's nice I'm I'm glad for plus that argument makes no sense because bowing to somebody wouldn't make them an idol there's a citation in the Old Testament where um yeah where is people

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