RAGE QUIT! CONFRONTING Alien Girl?! Muslim Girl Is HARAM?! Jimbob Debate LEGEND! | Dating Talk #237

Date: 2025-04-07

Duration: 6h 11m

Guests

Brian Atlas

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Sam (Ginger)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Felicity(guest)

SPEAKER_04Tiffany(guest)

SPEAKER_05Val(guest)

SPEAKER_06Alien(guest)

SPEAKER_10Sarah Tasha(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jim Bob(guest)

SPEAKER_14Nazan Noble(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced

ControversyExtended debate: Sarah Tasha's sensual Instagram vs her Muslim identity

OtherRAGE QUIT: Sarah Tasha refuses yes/no on 'eliminate all men,' leaves studio

QuoteAlien would press button to eliminate all humanity, laughing

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Sam, Alien, Sarah Tasha, Nazan Noble, Tiffany, Val, Felicity, Jim Bob.

Alien Loves Trees

Has romantic attachment to a specific tree. Prefers trees to humans.

Sarah Tasha Muslim vs Instagram

Extended debate: sensual Instagram photos vs Islamic law. Sarah: 100% incorrect Islamically but personally empowering.

Sarah Tasha Rage Quit

Refused to give yes/no to 'eliminate all men to stop SA.' Brian draws diagram. She leaves.

Body Count Round

Sam: 11. Alien: 15. Nazan: 12. Tiffany: 0 (virgin). Val: 4. Felicity: 2.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasextra small? It's It's Brandy, so it's one size. Mhm. Wait. So hold on. Okay. I was asking you if you think you're a

Brian Atlas1% girl and you cided to the fact that well my parents I'm pretty rare I think how so um

Brian AtlasI guess my political beliefs your political beliefs you realize Trump won the popular vote Trump won the popular vote your political like there's plenty of conservative women I guess you

Jim Bobeven vote for Trump by the way yeah No. So, you didn't even Wait. Okay. So, you're Oh. Oh, okay. Sorry. Brian, I was gonna say Brian's kind of asking like if you get a top earner, um, he gets it it

Jim Bobwould be true that he would get a larger selection of women to choose from, right? So in in people let's say let's ask if there's three other women who are in the exact same class as you as far as

Jim Bobincome kind of adopted in for their parents um shares political views and all that is included. Um what are you offering that man that you think the

Tiffanyother uh contestants if you will uh so basically like what do I what do I do? Yeah. What do you bring? What do you bring to the table? The classic. It is classic. Yeah. Me. I just me just you.

Jim BobThat's also a classic answer. It's classic. What do you want me to say? So it's like it's like this. The man brings X YZ. It guess what? Like when when you say 500K, that's not identical to him,

Jim Bobright? So he doesn't say just me, right? Cuz if the man uses your standard and says, um, what's your name? Sorry. Tiff. Tiffany says, Tiffany, um, you know, I want to get married. And you go, oh, cool. How much do you make? Cuz I have a

Jim Bobstandard. And they say, oh, uh, I make 50K. And then you say, "Well, what else are you bringing to the table? What are you bringing to the table if it's not the, you know, the money and the support and my my jeans?" And then, no, the dude

Jim Bobsays, "It's just me." Like, that's not going to work, right? If the man says it. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely not. Yeah. So, that's why it's like we've heard that answer before. I I think the

Jim Bobcorrect answer in this climate for men, especially in your um sort of political and and social status, is what they want to hear is I'm going to mother a lot of

Tiffanyyour children. That's that's what they're that's what you bring to the table. Yeah. And my dinner and my jeans. Like my my children would get my Actually, jeans might be a good a good

Brian Atlasanswer. Jeans, depending on how you how you look at them. Wait, when you say you're rare in terms of your political beliefs, what did what does that mean? Honestly, I mean, I realize that politics is just not for me

Tiffanyto um like in the last couple months, but I just don't really have like I don't know how to explain

Jim Bobit. Wait, did you say politics is just not for you? Yeah. Oh, no. No. Okay. So, no, I agree. That is rare and that's actually what men are looking for

Tiffanybecause okay, if you're into politics, you actually have No, no. You actually have Stop laughing. You actually have to have a

Tiffanylot of love for the people to be in politics and be passionate about it. And I don't have love for the people, so I feel like don't care. Wow. Like I like keeping up with it. I

Jim Bobjust like don't have the passion that I'm willing to devote to it. Well, the thing is the man doesn't want care about your political uh beliefs. So, so in a sense you do have

Tiffanythe right perspective just not care about is really important though and your political beliefs like kind of say a lot about your personality and how

Tiffanysensitive you are. I thought you said politics are not for you. So, a guy that doesn't like politics, like a like a working in politics. I like politics as a hobby, but I just

Tiffanypolitics for you. I just wouldn't ever be a politician or go into that field. Mhm. I don't blame you or like brand myself. You wouldn't go into politics? No. Any

Sarah Tashaladies want to get into politics? I think we got some poetry. Why do you want so much? I mean, I just have three degrees relating to politics. You have what? Three degrees relating to

Brian Atlaspolitics. Yo, I can't tell. Um, wait. Okay, so hold on. Where were we? Were you talking to me? I don't. Probably not. Wait. We were going around the table. Oh, what would you want the

Brian Atlasminimum? Oh, okay. Five. So, $500,000. You want a 1% guy. You scoffed at it. You think you're 1% here? Let me ask you, Tiffany. Tiffany, let me ask a couple questions here. Okay. How many

Brian Atlaschildren do you want? Two. Two. Okay. Are you a virgin? Yes.

TiffanyUm, are you going to homeschool your kids? Yeah. Are you submissive? I could be. What do you mean you could be? Um, I'm not a submissive person in general,

Brian Atlasbut I could submit if I chose to to your boyfriend or husband. Yeah. Uh, will you take your husband's last

Brian Atlasname? Yeah. Will you um I don't know what uh [ __ ] it evaded me. The question left

Brian Atlasmy brain. I think she wins. Is that a one? Is it that might be chat? Is it 1%? Does she win? Is she 1% girl? What's the major of your boyfriend? Virgin. He's also polyai. Will you get rid of law

Brian Atlasschool? Will you have the tattoos lasered off? Yes. If he pays if he pays for the removal. Yeah. your boyfriend. Will you stop listening?

SPEAKER_13Never mind. Um, he says you can't get a nose job, too. He says you can't. Even if you can't get a nose job and you got to stop listening to Kanye. Will you do it? Everybody loves you for you are. Okay. Or how

Tiffanyabout you can listen to his first three album. If the guy's like, "Oh, you shouldn't get a nose job and stop listening to Kanye because of what he tweets and stuff and stuff like that."

TiffanyLike I already don't like you. Like we're not compatible and he's probably kind of gay. Wait a second. If he says don't get a nose job. Yeah. You're not going to but he'll let you'll let him

Tiffanyremove the tattoo but not not get in the way of the the nose job. I mean what is his passion with for the nose job? That's a crazy hill to die on. Depends on the reason behind why he doesn't want

Tiffanyme to get a nose job. Cuz most men don't care if women get plastic surgery as long as it doesn't look botched. If it if it looks good, men generally don't care. But if the man's if the my

Tiffanyboyfriend's don't get a nose job because you look fine and perfect already, that's like such a woman thing to say. Like you're so gay. Okay. How about if he says about it? You can

Tiffanyget a nose job, but I get to determine the shape of it. Why would you want to? Like what if he likes a piggy? What if he wants a piggy nose? She knows for his wife because he

Tiffanythinks that's attractive or attractive. Yeah. What if he says that? Oh, 500k. There it is. He's the man of your dreams. 500K is not the man of my dreams cuz I would also be making that much. Oh,

Brian Atlasthere it is. You should do a one-sizefits-all store. I feel like you could you could corner every market with that. All right. What What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your

Valfuture husband? Depends on the It depends on the Zidgeist at the time. The the what? The Zidgeist. whoever's president, you know, the economy, things like that. As long as I'm comfortable,

Sam (Ginger)50 to 80 would be nice. Okay. Felicity, what about you? 150. 150. All right. How tall are you? And what's the minimum height of a man you would date? Um, I'm

Alien410. The shortest guy I date is like 5'5. What about you? I'm 5'6. Uh, shortest guy I would date is

Brian Atlaslike I don't know. I don't care. profound. I'm 5'5 and I think I put NA. You did put

Nazan NobleNA. At least I'm consistent. What about you? I'm 52 and I think the shortest guy was 59. Okay, Tiffany. 5'5 and 5'9.

Brian AtlasMe? Yeah, that that's kind of how it works. 59. My apologies. I'm How? No. How tall are you and what's

Felicitythe minimum height of a man you would date? Oh. Um I'm 5'1, so it's pretty diverse there. Probably 5'5 if I had to.

Brian AtlasSure. For listen. I'm 5'5. Shortest of a date. Like 5'8 or 5'9. Sure. All right. Uh would you rather cross paths with a

Sam (Ginger)random man or a random bear on a hike? Um totally a man. I could probably take him out better than I could a bear. Okay. What about you? I'm going say

Nazan Noblebear. What about you? I said bear. Definitely a man. Why would I cross path with a bear?

Brian AtlasI man. Okay. Man, I put I don't know, but I think man. Okay. It's a tough one, but I chose man. Man. So, wait. Bear.

AlienBear for the two of you. Okay. Why do you Why do you pick bear? Why don't you pick man? Listen, you're going to think I'm bad faith for saying this, but I just adore animals more than anything. Cool. What

Sarah Tashaabout you? What about trees? I just been in too many essay situations. Too many stories. I don't want to be on a path alone with another man. Okay. So, like sort of your own

Brian Atlasanecdotal experience. You've had a lot of bad experiences. So you pick a wild animal over a man. Um what I mean

Brian Atlasuh if you had to attribute like let's say the risk the likelihood of risk or a risk

Brian Atlaspercentage if you had to say okay I think 50% of men would do this or maybe 20% or 80%. If you had to put a percentage to it what would it be? a

Brian Atlaspercentage of men that would essay. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I know. I don't you get How about a guess? I don't even want

Sarah Tashato say because that's just insulting to the male species. Like I don't want to assume a percentage of men that would Do you think it's a majority of men?

Sarah TashaI don't know. Okay. Do you not care? Do you think it's a minority of men? There's some sort of percentage of course, but I just don't know what it is. Yeah, just take a

Sarah Tashaguess. I'm not Your guess doesn't have to be correct. It could just be a guess. I don't want to guess cuz it could if I guess too high it can make me look bad and if I guess too low it can make me look bad. Like I don't know. But I think

Nazan Noblein a way she actually gave you the answer. Did she though? She doesn't know what I didn't give you an answer that bear. She gave you the

Sarah Tashaanswer. That says what? How she thinks about No, that's not giving it. Wait, are you saying it is because you the No, that's what I'm more comfortable with. He asked me in general generally saying, "What's the percentage of all men that

Sarah Tashawould essay?" That's like a completely different question. I'm just not comfortable alone with men. Wait, but you're comfortable alone with bears? With a bear. That's That's the answer. At least I won't end up in a SA. There's not a possibility. Well, it'll eat your

Jim Bobface off though. But like that's the thing is if you know as as long as you're not going to get essay the danger of a black bear let's say attacking you. Um why does the bear have to be black?

Jim BobBecause they commit more of the the tax. It's not an American bear. Bears aren't asexual either. No. No. It's actually true that black bears

Jim Bobcommit more of the attacks. Mh. Um, so the the question is how did you like you're just going from your experience that this has happened to you before, but Brian askked you a fair question is

Jim Bobto say like well a lot of things happened to other people before. And I isn't it fair to say statistically that there's more people who don't commit aggression against other people than

Jim Bobthere are who do just for any given uh for any given like violation. A lot of essay cases go un reported. So I don't know.

Brian AtlasYeah. Based off of the data that is out there, you could look at like the DOJ, the FBI crime statistics. So you could base it off of well what we do know. So

Brian Atlasbased off what we do know, based off feminist propaganda that you've likely heard, what do you think? I'm not answering. But I did answer the question related to comfortability. And

Brian AtlasI would be more comfortable in the face of an animal than I would a male alone in Wait, I'm just a little confused. You said you don't like to be alone with men yet. Like there's a video of you in the

Brian Atlaspool like letting the dude pour alcohol down your throat. There was several people around. We were not alone. Okay. So, um, have you ever had a one night stand?

Brian AtlasI have had one. Okay. Is that how you met your current? And actually, I wasn't alone. I had a friend. The friend was a witness to your sexual encounter. The friend was in the

Brian Atlasvicinity of It was an orgy. No, it was an orgy. Okay. Um, I didn't go alone to a man's place. Okay. Mhm.

Jim BobSo, you're saying that, let's switch up the scenario. Let's say in at the zoo there's a section it's just a man at the zoo, right? And you're at the zoo alone and you're you're like looking at all

Jim Bobthe animals from afar. You're telling me that you're more likely to get into the enclosure with the bear than the man. If you were to choose a zoo is a

Sarah Tashareally bad example to use. Just engage with engage with the hypothetical. I don't know. You don't know, bro? How do

Brian Atlasyou Yeah. If you had to pick one, do you get in the enclosure with the bear or with the man?

Brian AtlasSeriously, I don't know. You got to use those poly, bro. What do you mean you don't know? Here, do you need How about this? I'mma give you 10 seconds to figure it out. One, two. I don't know. I

Brian Atlasdid figure it out. That's my answer. Yeah, that. Okay, think about it though. There. Here's the hypothetical. You can

Alienget in one or the other and you have to choose. Which do you get in here? Watch. Let me make it simpler. Bad

Alienlike just question in general. No, it's testing for logic. It definitely is because a lot of times that people are going to commit violence or whatever uh when people are alone, right? So, if you're saying a zoo and there's other

Jim Bobpeople around, of course, the man's not going to No, I said there's no one there but her. It's just her. She's the only patron at the zoo. For sure. I understand what she's saying then. For sure. What she What do you mean she's saying she doesn't know? She says she

Aliendoesn't know. If only it was opposite day. So, okay. How about this? If if they're alone, if she's alone, she goes into the bear enclosure. Whatever.

AlienRight. So, he she could get eaten, right? But if she's alone and she's goes into the male one, what's what's worse? What's worse? Getting essayed or getting

Alieneaten? I think getting essay to be honest. There's a bunch of people that's always trying to gaslight you, tell you that that's not what happened and blah blah blah. This that you'd rather die

Jim Bobthan the low percent chance of getting essayed. It's not a low chance. How did you determine the percentage? That's what Brian asked you. How do you determine the percentage of going into an enclosure? Yeah. I mean, she probably

Alienwon't say it, but to me, I feel like whenever I'm around like majority of men, how many times I am not? Yeah. What percentage? Give us a percentage. Me?

Brian AtlasOkay. 80. 80. Okay. So, 80%. Yeah. Four out of five men are essayers. Do you have brothers? Yeah, I have brothers. You have multiple brothers. How many brothers? I have two. Two. So, okay. One

Alienof them, maybe even both of them are essayers. Okay. This is just an extension of your own logic. Okay. So, you're just throwing You're acting like that's going to hurt my feelings or do something to my brain, but it's just a possibility.

Brian AtlasAnyway, I mean, I'm not really concerned if it hurts your feelings or not, but typically people like that, you're like trying to get a get you moment. Gotcha. But, so just to be clear, your own blood, your two brothers, one or both of

Alienthem are one of them is a piece of [ __ ] I'm not going to sit here and like defend them. What about your father? Is he a 80% chance he's an essayer? I mean it could be uncles, cousins, could be

Alienentire family. Okay. I don't know. But from my perspective and like my experience, most people are just like that. This is this is why I try to bring this hypothetical into more realistic

Jim Bobthings. Um, you know, the path in the woods is actually common enough. Uh but I would say the most common uh example of a man and a woman in an enclosed area

Jim Bobthat happens every single day would be a man and a woman in an elevator. Would you agree? And how many women have felt uncomfortable? First, I didn't ask if they're uncomfortable. We're talking about the reality of something

Jim Bobhappening, not what you feel. Okay. So, would you agree that the one of the most common habitual moments where men and women are together alone, it would be an elevator?

Jim BobYes. Okay. So, if you were to take a hundred elevator trips with men and women, there's just a man and a woman in there, like uh you could take a live feed of like a security camera, you

Jim Bobcould probably collect this, right? Is it more likely that uh we would find an essay in that example? Uh is that more likely than if we introduced a bear?

AlienIt's still not a good example because get off the elevator. There's going to be 100 or whatever. Like, you're still not What are you talking about? The man. the man can hear. Of course, someone's not going to see you in a elevator.

AlienSomeone's if it's if there's like a possibility that someone's going to come in. Why would Why would they want like I say you in a What are you talking about? You can stop. You can stop the elevator. If a man stopped the elevator while I

Jim Bobwas in it alone with him, I'd freak out. I know. How many times on on like CCTV and all these security cameras? How many times do you think it's happened where a man and a woman were in elevator and the

Sarah Tashaman didn't do that versus when they did? The reason why there's those videos stops happening is because they're not even in the elevator. Answer the question. If if I'm stuck on an elevator with a man like I just told you he can push the button you said you'd be scared

Jim Bobat that point. I'm asking if the first step of essaying in this instance is pushing the button and stopping the elevator and doing this thing. I'm I'm asking you what's more likely to occur, a man in an elevator attacking you be

Sarah Tashabeing that you're both alone in the elevator or a bear attacking you if you're both alone in the elevator? Both would attack. Both same likelihood because now we were talking about an

Jim Bobenclosed space versus I'm in alone in the woods. Oh, so men Oh, so men So men are more likely to aggress you if you're in an enclosed space.

Sarah TashaI mean, yes. that bear. What do you mean? No, I'm saying they would both attack you at that point. Now I'm in close vicinity versus we're in the woods and the bear's over there and I'm walking on my path. Well, is wait. So, is the woods an enclosed space or not?

Jim BobNo, the woods is not an enclosed space. Oh, so that's not consistent then. No, that's why your example was bad. Well, well, a field isn't an enclosed closed space. You know how many people get aggressed in in an open field? I mean, I

Jim Bobdon't I don't understand I don't understand what your your standard here is, like how you're measuring this stuff. talking about a a field or a wood space. I just gave you an example that happens every single day in every

Jim Bobbuilding right here in this city. Right. There's an elevator where there's literally like a seven to 10 foot different space. Hold on. They are in a question. You're enclosed in the same

Sarah Tashaplace. And what you said is how many bear attacks happen versus essays? I just want to know. Also, what if the bear was in the elevator? That's what I said. I said they at that point they would both likely attack me cuz we're

Jim Bobclose together. Now there's like a foot difference. A bear is not guaranteed to Okay, here's here's a here's one more followup question and we can move on. I'm just saying that it's like one more question. If a bear was in an elevator

Jim Bobwith you, right, or on a path? If a bear was on a path with you, would you want another bear? An additional bear or a man? What? If a bear was on a path with you

Jim Boband you thought, look, look, if you if you were on a path with a bear and you were you looked at the bear and you were fearful of the bear, would you want an additional bear or a man?

Sarah TashaI would want a man. Okay. At least the bearing could attack the man. Like I'm not

SPEAKER_07there's the reason. That's the reason. KFM has donated $200. I can't believe it, but Alien is

SPEAKER_07the sweetest and most honest soul on this panel. She can answer a question. I know you like trees and I'm working with

Aliena twig. Let's make it happen. Wow, that was You want to think he's shooting a shot? To be honest, I don't know what to tell you, dude. I'm

Brian Atlasnot looking for a relationship, but thank you. I don't know. This whole man versus bear thing, it's just all cap. Like, have you guys seen a woman's reaction to a

Sam (Ginger)spider? Mhm. I have a spider. I just think it's unlikely for a bear to attack you and, you know, like actually delete you. I feel like they're going to maul you and then you're just going to

Brian Atlasbe left like that. You know, it's going to No, they're probably going to. It's eat you alive. Bears eat you. Yeah. Not always. And men don't always essay women. Agree with that. The [ __ ] What

Brian Atlasthe [ __ ] Yeah, it's just going off on everyone. Yeah, that's what everybody can get the smoke, I guess. Um, how about this? Um, if you could, this is sort of related, uh, to the two women

Brian Atlaswho answered bear. If you could get rid of all men, and this would mean that women would never experience essay from men again, would you do it?

Brian AtlasI don't think it really matters cuz you could still get essayed by women, too. Yeah. Listen, I've been there, so I'm just being Okay, fine. How about in this

Brian Atlashypothetical, uh, essay becomes impossible. So, women couldn't essay you either, but they get to kick it, but all the men got to go.

Sarah TashaWhat? I mean, of course, I would want to be in a world where no one gets as aid. So, just to be clear, you would get rid

Brian Atlasof all men if it meant that another woman would never experience essay from men again if they were going to go anyway. I wouldn't just voluntarily be

Brian Atlaslike, "Hey, all men need to No, you have the power. Like, you have a magic button. You press the magic button, all men disappear, and that means no woman will ever be essayed again." How about essay just disappear? Huh? How about

Alienessay just disappear? How about that? Cool. Answer the actual question though. Done. Just answer. Why can't you? It's just answer the question. If it's in the

Aliensake of essay, then I would say yeah. I mean, to me, it's a kind of a betrayal because my best friend is a male, right? But like I said, for the sake of like

Sarah Tashaessay, I probably would say, yeah, a men can get the [ __ ] out of here. Okay. What's your answer? I answered it already. No, you didn't. Answer the question. What is going on?

Sarah TashaLike I feel like I'm saying words. I'm speaking English, right? I said, "Well, how about ethics?" You didn't answer the question. Here. 2+ 2 equals what?

Brian AtlasDepends on the person. You're actually [ __ ] You're actually [ __ ] [ __ ] Okay, relax. Calm down. No, just like, can you be good faith? Answer the question. I did answer it. You just don't like my

Sarah Tashaanswer. You said I wish essay would go away. No, that's not an answer. I said, "How about essay just go away?" If you're going to, you know, imitate me. At least get the sentence correct. It's a hot take.

Brian AtlasWow. Great. Maybe we can. War can go away, too. I'd love platitude. Hypothetical. You know what I mean? This isn't bad. What? That's her hypothetical answer. So, just let her Yeah, I did give a hypothetical. I answered your

Sarah Tashaquestion with a hypothetical. I was like, "How about essay just disappear?" Yeah, that's not answer. It's a hypothetical answer. Wow. I don't even know what the [ __ ] that means. Why

Brian Atlasdon't you answer the actual question? Holy [ __ ] Don't be pissy when we're going [ __ ] late because y'all can't answer a question. Answer the

Brian Atlasquestion. This seems like an easy answer. Like, no, I wouldn't [ __ ] eugenics the entire male species because like a 1% of them are criminals

Brian Atlasand predators. Mhm. But okay, your refusal to answer the question further points. I mean, you you won't actually give an answer, but I'm just going to assume then that your refusal to just

Brian Atlasimmediately kneejerk, no, I'm not going to kill three billion people so that some people aren't uh victimized. Yeah.

Brian AtlasYou're a sexist against men. Why are you attacking me? Why are you refusing to answer the question? I'm just being myself. What you told me to be at the beginning of

Brian Atlasthe show. Annoying. Then I'm annoying to you. No, you're just annoying.

Brian AtlasPeriod. Just I I don't understand what's so difficult here. Do you not understand the question? I can clarify. Would you like me to provide a clarification? I understood the question perfectly. Okay,

Sarah Tasharepeat the question back to me. You were asking me if I'd get rid of all men if that meant that essay didn't exist anymore. Yep. Cool. I said what I said. Yeah. Would you Why are we going? Yeah.

Brian AtlasYou said essay bad. I agree with you. Essay bad. Do I need to repeat the question again? What? Okay, there's two possible answers to

Brian Atlasthe question. Uhhuh. Yes, I would get rid of men. No, I would not get rid of men. And I answered it. Which of the two? I just didn't answer it the way you wanted

Sarah Tashame to. Yeah, it's not answering the question. I thought this was a podcast and I could answer questions the way I like to answer questions. Yeah, but there's an expectation that you participate in good faith. I am

Sarah Tashaparticipating. No, you're not. Yes, I am. I'm giving I've actually been contributing more to the conversation. contributing, but you haven't been

Sarah Tashaactually contributing in good faith. What? These are my answers. Now I'm lost in the sauce. I'm confused. If a question is asked

Brian Atlasand buried in that question is two possible answers and you refuse to pick one of those two possible answers and you just say, "Well, a component of what

Brian Atlasis inside that question. I disagree with that specific thing." That's not an answer to the question. So like look, chocolate or vanilla ice cream? Chocolate. Okay. You didn't say strawberry. No, I didn't. Why not?

Jim BobBecause you said chocolate are Okay, that's those question that's a simple question. These aren't simple questions. I'm not saying it's a simple question. It is actually presented as a simple question. Uh the answer I mean to most

Jim Bobpeople I mean anyone else want to answer the hypothetical? Do you eliminate an entire uh section uh of humanity because uh just to eliminate the minority of

Jim Bobperpetrations that are that are done by that group or do you not? I mean it's to me it's a simple not it's not justified right you don't just yeah no I think you try to make the circle small as possible though yeah you don't eliminate right

Jim Bobthere's a all sorts of crazy consequences and entailments for eliminating the male sex right right but of course the consequences should be done you know for the guys who do that sure but that the question isn't that

Jim Bobthe question is simple do you eliminate do you use elimination as a tactic to get rid of a small aspect of that population's behavior the answer is no No. Yeah. Why is it not Why is that hard

Sarah Tashato say no? I mean, it's a reasonable answer to say no. I wouldn't eliminate everybody. Because then that's also in implying that you're okay with a small percentage

Brian Atlasof the male species. That's not logically not. No, logically it's not. That's how I think you're asking me. Okay. Now that we've gone ahead and granted that, no, if you were to say I

Sarah Tashawould not get rid of all these men, how can I um I think it's extremely unfair that I can't like say what I'm thinking. Like that's just how I'm thinking. But there's a logical failure and we're

Nazan Nobletrying to correct the logical failure. Logical failure of my opinion. Yeah. Because your brother and your dad and your grandpa and all that can be eliminated too. And it's just not an

Nazan Nobleanswer. What you're giving is not an answer. It's just there's a lot of it that you're not even considering. It's like you're coming from an anger. You what? Most of your reactions is coming

Brian Atlasfrom a Wait, hold on. No, I'll make this super simple. Stop. Stop. Stop. Okay. Do you think littering is bad? Yeah. Here, let's put it split. Okay.

Brian AtlasPut it split. Do you think littering is bad? Yes. Okay. Uh, do you think we should end the entire human species so we can stop littering?

Brian AtlasOf course not. But littering is not essay. How can you hold on? I'm going I'm addressing your previous Hold on. I'm Stop. Stop. I'm addressing your previous statement. So your previous

Brian Atlasstatement was if I choose to say no, I want to not eliminate all men. That means that I'm justifying this action of essay. Right. But you're very easily like you saying,

Brian Atlas"No, I hold on. Hold on. Let me explain it." Now I ask it's it makes it's about to make sense. So I ask would you eliminate all humans to get rid of we all agree littering is a bad thing. Would you get rid of all humans to stop

Brian Atlaslittering? No, you wouldn't. That doesn't mean that you're saying that littering is okay because you would preserve all of humans in this case. I

Jim Bobyou saying that you would preserve all men doesn't mean that you're saying that essay is okay. That's not what we're asking. Simple. You're just you're just saying

Sarah Tashathat humans existing uh is more valuable than eliminating littering or eliminating essay. Both of you guys' examples that you use, which is chocolate and vanilla, and now you're

Jim Bobcomparing it to littering, is absolutely horrifying. Essay is a completely different No, those are two No, those are two different things. The chocolate and vanilla thing was to demonstrate how

Jim Bobto answer an eitheror question. the the analogy he's using demonstrates that if you uh don't take some crazy measure to eliminate something, some sort of consequential uh consequentialist view

Jim Bobwhere you just eliminate everything. Um for instance, if someone's a vegan and they're vegan because they don't like harming animals, well, the best thing to do if you want to eliminate all harm for animals is actually to eliminate all animals, right? Now, if a vegan says,

Jim Bob"No, I'm not going to eliminate all animals. I'm going to work on reducing the existing harm on animals." Right? It doesn't follow that they support harming animals if they don't hit the elimination button. That's all we're

Brian Atlastrying to say. Got it. I understand. Wait. Question. Um. Question. Uh, if we could Are you pro-choice or pro-life? Pro-choice.

Brian AtlasA pro-choice Muslim. I didn't know. Okay. Um, okay. Well, this won't really have I was going to say, um, if we if we could stop all abortion. Wait, that's such a

Sarah Tashadumb. Some people die because they can't get an abortion. It's like a medical need for some people.

Brian AtlasHow about this? If let's say we got rid of um all women who are uh pro-life, like you just deleted them. And then like the next election cycle, that would mean that if we got rid of

Brian Atlasconservative women, it would mean that there would just be uh it would pretty much mean uh Democrats would just continue to win. They're pro-choice. Uh

Brian Atlasso if we eliminated all pro-life women so that you guys can maintain uh abortion rights, would you do it?

Sarah TashaIf I say just go ahead. If you say go ahead. If I say yes, we'll eliminate all pro-life women just to keep pro-choice, that's

Sarah Tashaalso not that's me killing off a a good number of women. But then if I say we'll keep all pro-life women and get rid of pro-choice, that's also killing off a

Brian Atlaspercentage of women. Cuz some people need to have abortions to live. But it's a medical need for some people. Killing off the pro-choice women. It's just the pro-life women that

Sarah Tashayou'd get rid of. I know if I said that I would kill off the prolife women, then that's a good portion of women that die. But then if I keep the pro-life women

Sarah Tashaand get rid of pro-choice, some women also die because it's a medical need for some women to get an abortion. Not killing pro-life women doesn't mean that abortion would go away. What? Like, oh

SPEAKER_09boy. Your your ability to get an abortion in a blue state would remain. Oh no, I've lost what you just said. So,

Sarah Tashahow does this question is different than the other question that you I still said I don't I don't I wouldn't decide. I just I basically still You still can't

SPEAKER_09decide. Yes. I was saying if I choose to keep But you were leaning towards not killing. But when I don't want to kill anyone. Okay, there you go. So, she doesn't want to kill anyone. Context is

Valvery important to you. So, what if the context was always you have to decide or the world's going to end or something? nukes are going to go off, but you have to decide. Would that context be helpful?

Brian AtlasIs there any context that would be like super helpful? No. Okay. So, if you How about this? There's a bullet uh there's a gun to your head. If you don't decide,

Nazan Nobleyou get popped. That's a good one. If you don't give out your yes and or no answer, there would be if you had to. Yeah.

Nazan NobleSo now are you asking if she would sacrifice herself? That's basically not sacrifice herself to have that saving herself. That's actually

Brian Atlassaving herself. That's the opposite. Not by actually enacting the thing necessarily, but simply by giving your opinion. Yes. In this No, in this hypothetical.

AlienOkay. Explain it to me. In this hypothetical, you're asking her whether gun to her head, right? Gun to her head. If she wants to kill off one group of

Alienpeople over the other, I think at this point I would just if I was her, I would just be like, I would rather die cuz why

Brian Atlaswhy is you giving no choice? No. Oh my god. Let me Okay. How did she have here? Cuz he's attacking me for whatever

Brian Atlasreason. She doesn't have the power to see said thing through. The gun to the head is simply if you don't just state

Brian Atlasan answer, then you get the bullet. Exactly. So, just to be clear, and you you're not actually changing anything. Nothing actually happens. You're just

Brian Atlasgiving your opinion on something. Got it? You would rather take a bullet to the dome than just say than just answer

Sarah Tashaa question. I'm just confused clearly why my life has to be at stake in the Senate in the Have you heard of a hypothetical? Why am I getting all the hypothetical? The reason the reason we

Jim Bobgot to the gun to that is because it's the only way we can get an answer from you. That's not true. On your not actually working. That's a good even that doesn't work. That doesn't work. Yeah, it still doesn't

Sarah Tashawork. And the thing is, I'm answering the questions. I'm just not answering it the way you want me to, which is Do you prefer red or blue? I ain't prefer [ __ ] orange. Red. Yeah, but it's like

Sarah TashaI gave you two. That answer doesn't affect anyone's life or leave anyone at risk or no one dies. And the answer I just Yeah. But if you answer any of the questions that we've asked you tonight, that doesn't have an impact either. It

Sarah Tashadoes on me on my image. I don't want to say anything wrong, bro. Whatever you're doing right now. And also, I feel bad. Like, whatever

Brian Atlasyou're doing now, trust me, it looks worse than just Okay, look. Well, since you're just being stubborn or whatever. Uh, I'm just going to assume you're a sexist then.

Brian AtlasWhatever. Okay, cool. Some Arabic or whatever. That's I don't even know what that means, but literally like the name of the podcast. What? Whatever. Okay, cool. Um, let me change it really quick. Uh, I'm assuming you're just going to

Brian Atlasuh struggle with this one, too, or just be intentionally malicious, but let's change the question from

Brian Atlasuh let's change it from black person or bear. Do you think that if somebody picks a bear over black person that they're racist?

Sarah TashaYou should spice it up and say it depends. I literally would say literally I don't know. Like another I don't know. And also I feel like you're intentionally giving me more complicated questions and then getting more upset that I won't answer the more

Brian Atlascomplicated. It's not complicated. Okay. It's super simple. If a white person is like, "Oh, I would rather I pick the bear over being in the forest with a black person." Would you think they're

Brian Atlasracist? Wait, a black man? I would ask them why. It's random. So, the person is like, it wouldn't matter if it's a black man or a black woman. I'd still pick the bear.

Brian AtlasAnd I'd understand. You But would you think they're sure you understand? Would you think they're racist? No, I'd ask why. I'd ask why. Because I was victimized by a black

Sarah Tashaperson. Well, then I'd say that depending depending on the race. Well, you said white person is saying this. So then yes, I' I'd be like, "Okay, well then you're generalizing all black people."

Jim BobWhat? That's literally what you're doing with men. How? Exactly. What? That's exactly what you're doing with men. That's exactly your reasoning with men. You said, "No, I said I don't feel comfortable." Yeah. Yeah. What if a

Sarah Tashawhite I don't feel comfortable. I'm not I'm not saying that all men would rape me because Sorry. Just say I'm not saying that all men would essay me. I'm saying I don't feel comfortable. So,

Jim BobI'm holding it back on how I feel about that. Well, you're saying you're more comfortable with a wild beast than with a a man. But the way you come to that conclusion is a generalization. Correct.

Jim BobNo, it's I'm flipping it on me and I'm saying I don't feel comfortable. Yeah. You don't I'm not looking at a man and being like, "Oh, he's Look, I know you don't feel comfortable. I'm I'm going before that. How you came to the conclusion that

Jim Bobyou're not comfortable is you have that's a generalization. You have to you're taking from particular things that happened to me. Yeah. And you're making a general statement, right? And that's exactly why I said you're coming

Nazan Noblefrom anger towards men. That's how you generalize. And in in your head when it when Why are you using the word anger? Because I think that's weird. I'm not

Nazan Nobleangry at all. It is. It it has to be uncomfortable source. Yeah. But the source of that is fear and then anger and resentment and ally has the same

Sarah Tashathe same kind of negative feeling towards men. A negative feeling. And I'm kind of offended actually that you're using the word anger

Sarah Tashabecause I think that as women of color, black women specifically, they're always viewed as angry. And I'm not angry. I'm uncomfortable. And you said negative feelings. Those negative feelings all

Sarah Tashahave different statuses, different emotions. Listen, this you can't generalize anger. I'm not angry at all. I'm uncomfortable. You generalized men. You No, I did not

Sarah Tashageneralize women. I flipped it on me and said what I'm comfortable with and what I'm uncomfortable with. I didn't say all men would do that to me. That's not But but that's your core belief. When you

Sarah Tashawhen you pick a bear instead of me, my core belief is based on me, not me saying that all men would care about the base of it. You That's the base. No,

Nazan Nobleyour core. If you're going to debate with me, your core belief is picking a bear over a man. Period. End of the story. My core belief is that I'm uncomfortable being alone. wild bear

Nazan Noblethat could kill you over a man because deep down you believe men are worse than wild animal. What if she just feels that way about just people in general? No, we

Jim Bobwe actually the question was a man and not just people. Yeah. But I have another question. If you got to know how even how many minutes to get to know somebody in this case a man on the on

Jim Bobthe path would then you determine you'd rather be with him than a bear? Is there like a you think there's like maybe a threshold at which you you decided, oh, okay, I trust this person? No, I don't

Sarah Tashathink there's a threshold. It's just a still the bear no matter what. It's just the uncom It's just the discomfort of being alone. Okay. Do you have a brother? I do. Do you have a father? I

Jim Bobdo. Okay. So, let's take your father. You would choose the bear to be alone on the path with uh with your with you'd be alone on a on a path with your with a bear and you would choose the bear over

Jim Bobyour own father. No, I choose my father. But why? Because I know my father. Okay, so that's what I'm asking. Is there a threshold where you learn that the the person earns the trust? In this case, a

Jim Bobman. What's the thresh threshold at which the man earns your trust such that you'll pick him over the bear? Um,

Jim Bobprobably a few days, weeks, months. How much money does he have to make? I'm just kidding. Um, well, that's what I'm asking. It really this question comes

Jim Bobdown to trust and knowing people and what we're what the initial question is asking people to generalize. It's actually forcing a generalization. But

Jim Bobit is wild because if you look at it reasonably, it's uh especially with with the second hypothetical where you actually encounter a bear and now you're in danger. Who do you choose? You said a man, right? And I I disagree with you. I

Sarah Tashadon't think it's forcing you to generalize because you're still asking me. And you asked me why. And then I brought up a personal experience of mine. So it's based on it's subjective. It's based on what I went through.

Jim BobThat's why I answered it the way I did. Right. But the because someone like your dad exists that you would is it fair to say there's people like your dad. There are people like your dad. Sure. Okay.

Jim BobSo, um if there are people like your dad, you know, you're hedging your bet that there's less people like your dad that are kind that aren't going to do this terrible thing to you, right? You're actually assuming that there's

Sarah Tashamore people who would hurt you than less. Yes. Why would you assume that? I'm not assuming that. I'm choosing a safer option. That is regardless of

Jim Bobwhether they would hurt me or not. Okay, that's that is choosing that. Like for instance, if the if it's not the general question of a man or a bear, if there's a collection of men, uh there's a hundred men and you don't know which man

Jim Bobyou're going to get. Mhm. Like let's say that it's 100 people. You just have no idea which man you're going to get. But you know there's there's men like your father in there. If we ask you bear or

Jim Bobman, your your your choice is still assuming the worst of the collection of men that the you're assuming the the statistics that your bet, right? You're

Jim Bobmaking a bet. Your bet is on that you're going to get hurt if you choose the man and you're risking getting hurt with the bear. You already know is a high likelihood of of being hurt by the bear.

Sarah TashaI disagree with this because a generalization would be me saying right now that everybody at this table as a woman should have chose the bear because all men are dangerous in some way. But

Sarah Tashathat's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I'm more uncomfortable with being on a pathway alone with a male than an animal. That's what I'm saying for me. But but there are people at this table

Sarah Tashathat said they'd be more comfortable with a man on the pathway. Okay, cool. Why? because they have their own personal experiences. So, it's not generalized. It's Well, no. There's a way to take their personal experience and see if it maps onto reality and to

Jim Bobtake your personal experience and see if it maps onto reality. That's exactly that's what I'm saying. So, like I it doesn't match onto reality because I'm subjective. Like you're admitting that your own I know but you're admitting that your own experience is inconsistent

Sarah Tashawith general reality that most men actually that's why when you ask it could be because that's why when you asked me about the percentage I didn't want to give a percentage because I don't know the percentage. It could be a small group of men are capable of essay

Jim Bobversus a large group of men. Well that's why I use the elevator uh example because that the elevator example demonstrates that a million times a day more than that I don't I couldn't even put a number on it. Everywhere around

Jim Bobthe world, there's a man who gets in the elevator with a woman. And more of the times that happens by a lot, the man doesn't harm or even threaten the woman.

Sarah TashaOkay. But if you swap the man in the elevator with a bear, what do you think the percent difference is going to be with harm with someone being hurt? I don't like the elevator.

Sarah TashaI don't because it's it's a freaking enclosed room versus the woods. Like what? Do you eat dinner? And if so, how do you decide what to eat? Don't compare essay to dinner. We're comparing essay

Sarah Tashato dinner. And I'm talking about your indecision. The pattern of your indecision. I'm not talking about Just because I have an indecision to these complex, complicated questions that also have emotional reasons behind them

Sarah Tashadoesn't mean I have I'm indecisive in my regular existence. Understandable. Okay. Okay. But you agree that you're a sexist? I'm not a sexist.

Brian AtlasI mean, you kind of are though against men. Kind of are. I'm not. I mean, you'd rather be with a wild animal than alone with a man. It's kind of sexist statement. No, it's just I'm more

Brian Atlascomfortable with that. That doesn't mean that I think all men are capable of essay. Yeah. What percentage? I don't know. She doesn't know. But I mean, you weren't even able to

Brian Atlasdefinitively say if you would save the entire uh population of males in this in the hypothetical.

Brian AtlasI'm I'm lost. I'm over what the hypothetical was. Okay. If you could stop essay, but it meant you had to just get rid of all

Brian Atlasmen, would you do it? And you didn't give a yes or a no. Correct. I did not. Right. The effect the the fact that you don't give an

Brian Atlasimmediate knee-jerk no. I'm not going to delete 4 billion people or whatever how much it is. It's pretty crazy. Well, that also sounds like

Sarah Tashayou're like attacking the people that didn't choose the answer that makes more sense to you as well. the people who wanted to

Sarah Tashadelete the four billion people. Wait, can you repeat repeat that one more time? If if you're getting upset, are

Brian Atlasyou upset? Is that the right word? Uh, yeah. I would The fact sure I mean I I'll put it like this. The fact that you are essentially unwilling to save like a

Brian Atlasgive an affirmative that you would save 4 billion men but the entailment is well this crime that can has to like the the fact that you won't give an affirmative

Sarah Tashaon I want to save four billion people. Yeah, that's pretty uh so would you debate that's pretty damning. That's pretty damning. So would you debate with a person that definitively made the the

Brian Atlasdecision to eliminate the four billion people to get rid of essay? Would you be attacking them like you are me? I would be attacking them worse. But your

Sarah Tasharefusal to answer the question points to the same answer. No, it doesn't. I It's It's You don't

Brian Atlasknow what I would choose. So, why don't you just save us a bunch of time and make things really simple. Which one do you choose? Or we could just move on to the next

Sarah Tashaquestion. Or you could just answer the question. I'm so confused. I have answered the question. You just didn't like my answer. I have another one. Man

Nazan Nobleor man? Like what? She just is still going to choose the bear. That's her. What is it? man or man bear pig from South Park.

Sarah TashaAnd also, even when I did make a decision, I were debating about the decision I made, which was the bear. No, but you didn't. Okay, here. I'll ask you a different question. It's like if I answer it or if I don't answer, you're

Brian Atlasstill attacking me. I'm so confused. I'll give you a [ __ ] preamble and make the question. I don't need you to give me a preamble. Here in this question, I There's only two options.

Brian AtlasThere's only two options. So in order to get rid portion one, in order to get rid of essay, you can do so, but you have to uh

Brian Atlasdelete all men from the planet. Or two, you keep all men, but the current reality of some women are

Brian Atlasessayed by some men, that would remain. Which do you pick of the two? I don't understand why you're repeating the question. That was the question. originally, but I'm giving you only two.

Brian AtlasIf you had to pick between one of those options, does someone want to answer for me so we can move on? Nobody can answer for you. I would keep things the same.

Brian AtlasOkay, I'm make I'm going to make it really simple for you. If you had to pick one or the other, which would it be?

Brian AtlasOne is, you know what's interesting is none of the women are calling you out on your [ __ ] [ __ ] This is what I call the sister. No woman here is calling you out on your [ __ ] ridiculous little [ __ ] She did I'll

Brian Atlasgive her a little bit. I've been trying because it makes no sense to me. And I said that literally incoherent. It's incoherent. I've refined the question

Brian Atlaswhere the answer you have to give is one or the other. So, pick one.

Sarah TashaI just wouldn't listen to You're trolling. You literally signed an agreement. I'm not trolling at all. Yeah, you are. No, I'm not. This is really genuinely how I feel and I I actually feel like uncomfortable cuz I'm

Sarah TashaI'm genuinely answering the questions that I the way that I want to answer. The question So, I'm not trolling. This is genuinely how I feel. So, I'm a bit thrown off right now. And I I I don't know if you're being serious or not. I'll repeat it. So, you have to pick one

Sarah Tashaof the two. You don't have to repeat it. Like, I Are you being serious? Like, what's what's happening right now? You have to pick one of the one of the two. Answer the question. I did answer it already.

Brian AtlasNo, you didn't. No, you just didn't like my answer. Are we being No. Cool. You But you said, "Well, I wish essay." Your answer was, "I wish essay just didn't exist." The question is, if you had to

Brian Atlaspick one of Okay. Do I have to [ __ ] draw this [ __ ] here? You already repeated. Multiple multiplechoice question. Thought he was going to draw a

Brian Atlasbear. We might need a vin diagram. Okay. So, you know how there's like there's two options here. Sometimes there's four, right? So, I'm going to hold that up. I don't know. Hold on. Let me put

Brian Atlasit. All right. Multiple choice question. My [ __ ] penmanship is dog [ __ ] You see how there's those four? I don't know. Here it's one, two, three, four.

Brian AtlasOkay. And then I'm going to just check mark three. Right. Check mark three. I can't just in the middle. I can't just write

Sarah Tashafive. I can't just add in five. That's what you're doing. It's a multiplechoice question. Pick one. You're making me really uncomfortable. And as someone who's been essay, that's

Sarah Tashawhy I don't feel comfortable choosing between one or two of the answers. So I said I didn't feel comfortable. If you could take back I'm so lost and I I'm I'm lost. I'm cuz I'm participating in

Sarah Tashayour podcast and I thought I was adding great conversation, but instead you're attacking me because you serious. You refused to answer a question and I think you're honestly trolling. I'm not Well, lucky I'm not trolling. I'm not trolling. I've been completely honest

Brian Atlasabout who I am and my opinion since I got here. Do you know what a multiple choice question is? I do. Okay. So, there's two options, right? Uh-huh. If you're you ever taken the multiple choice test? Yes, I have. Okay. Can you

Sarah Tashajust write in like a different answer? No, you cannot. That's why I didn't answer it in the first place. Yeah, but so you now have to answer. You can't force someone to answer a question. I guess I can't. Yeah, I can't force. What

Brian Atlasis happening? You could have moved on. But you didn't give a [ __ ] answer, lady. You didn't give an answer. You're claiming you gave an answer, but you didn't. No, I didn't claim I got gave an answer. I You literally just said you

Valgave an answer. No, you Okay. You One would depopulate the entire human race. I I'm I'm I'm

Jim BobDid she give an answer, Jim Bob? No, she gave a third answer, but she did give an answer when I brought up, well, what if it was your dad? And you said I would choose my dad. And so we were trying to get to the bottom of okay, if your

Jim Bobgeneralization about men is given by your experience, you don't generalize your own dad given your experience. So what's the difference? And you said you'd know your dad, right? But if we

Jim Bobtold you that statistically uh it's not the case that that the the highest percentage of men that exist are aggressors. So we're what we're telling

Jim Bobyou is that your failure to answer is what I'm seeing here is your failure to answer is given by your experience. Your your instinct is say no man scary bad they could hurt me right so that's fair

Jim Bobif I if I give you that and I say okay you're from your experience you're reserved about being alone with men we understand that but not all men. So your dad's not included right? There's

Jim Bobprobably other people you know that are men. So, we're trying to get to the bottom of, okay, well, what is your impulse to say man versus the bear, pick the man, is it justified? What we're telling you is it's not it doesn't

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