Andrew Wilson & Brian Atlas vs. 140 IQ Woke Leftist Feminist HATER! | Whatever Debates 24
Date: 2026-02-20
Duration: 5h 17m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Jen Stone(guest)
SPEAKER_03Andrew Wilson(host)
SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:00:17
IntroBrian opens debate introducing Andrew Wilson and Jen Stone. Jen corrects IQ to 143, rejects labels.
00:07:00
Key MomentAndrew begins internal critique of Jen's both-siding approach
00:08:50
QuoteAndrew: 'I do hate leftists... God will punish my soul for it'
00:40:00
Key MomentAndrew catches Jen in contradiction: wants to raise corporate taxes (raises prices) while opposing tariffs (also raises prices)
00:56:00
Key MomentAndrew performs internal critique: Jen can't articulate why everyone should vote beyond 'my heart tells me'
01:32:00
Key MomentBrian outlines selective service position. Jen surprisingly agrees women should have same requirements.
02:05:00
Key MomentAndrew demolishes Jen's theology. She can't explain Acts, denies divinity of Christ.
02:50:00
ControversyJen calls Trump pedo protector. Andrew demands evidence. Jen can't name specific accusers.
03:34:00
AgreementAndrew grants Jen's criticism about Trump's anti-Israel speech stance
04:23:00
Key MomentBrian turns tables: Jen's Instagram promotes grandfather's pseudoscientific ESP/telepathy books
05:00:00
RelationshipJen: 38, single, frozen eggs, body count 10-20 (3 in last 8 years), last relationship 4 years
Topics Discussed
00:00:17
Political Unity Opening
Jen argues both sides fighting for same things. Should unite against corporate corruption.
00:14:00
Immigration and Deportation
Jen wants strong borders but pathway for long-term residents. Andrew argues amnesty undermines rule of law.
00:46:00
Voting Rights and Democracy
Andrew argues democracy is flawed. Jen supports competency tests. Andrew performs internal critique - Jen can't ground why everyone should vote.
01:06:00
Brian's Criticisms of Jen's DMs
Brian reads Jen's harsh messages calling him fake, cancer on society, grifter. Heated meta-conversation.
02:00:00
Christianity, Paul, and Jesus
Jen rejects Paul's epistles, believes in reincarnation, sees Jesus as prophet. Andrew demolishes her theological positions.
02:49:00
Trump, Epstein, Pedo Protector Allegations
Jen calls Trump predator/pedo protector. Andrew demands evidence. Jen can't cite specifics.
04:05:00
Candace Owens and Grifting
Jen accuses Brian of grifting. Brian turns tables by examining her grandfather's pseudoscientific books.
04:59:00
Personal Life Wind-Down
Jen shares dating life, frozen eggs. Brian and Andrew joke about aliens.
Transcript
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03:54:38
Jen Stone>> Do you like Do you like democracy? >> Um in this current state, I think it needs some revision. >> But you like it? >> Yeah. >> How come people weren't allowed to vote on whether or not gay should get married? Then
03:54:50
Andrew Wilson>> they should be able to. They Well, they were in states until the Supreme Court ruled that they could I know that. >> But then how come in all the states including they should make an amendment in California they ruled against it.
03:55:00
Andrew Wilson>> That was in 2014 and there was a Yeah. And they should revote it. >> Yeah. So, so all the Christian nationalist is saying is the same thing that it should be up to the states, not
03:55:12
Andrew Wilsonthe feds to make a universal law on marriage, but states and that the states should be allowed to vote it in or vote it out because anytime it's left to the states, they say no.
03:55:24
Jen Stone>> Um, I mean, looking at the statistics, it seems like then you should >> if people actually got the chance to vote, then they would vote. >> Then what would your opposition to my plan be? My opposition is uh like project 2025.
03:55:37
Andrew Wilson>> What does that have to do with what I just said? My idea here is that you bring marriage back to the state and that people within the state can vote whether or not LGBTQ people can or cannot get married. What would your
03:55:49
Jen Stoneopposition to that be? >> My opposition would be that we should make a constitutional amendment and then do that. Like yeah, the Supreme Court if you don't like how >> constitutional amendment to do what? If
03:56:01
Jen Stoneyou don't like how the supreme court ruled, then you have to like amend. >> No, you don't need to amend it. That was an interpretation and they can reinterpret it. >> Well, then have them do that. >> Yeah, that's the idea. That's what
03:56:14
Andrew WilsonChristian nationalists are proposing. >> But you also said that you want the church to decide uh um be responsible for marriage and that you don't want >> Yeah, that's a really good idea. It seems like a terrible idea to have the
03:56:26
Jen Stonestate responsible for marriage. They haven't done a bangup job, have they? Um, I mean there's issues, but I don't think the church like only allowing Christians to get married is is the >> No. I've heard you in your interviews
03:56:39
Andrew Wilsontalking about it. >> If you wanted to go and sign a contract with the state, I don't see why you couldn't do that as a secularist. You
03:56:48
Andrew Wilsonsaid that they that um the church should like it shouldn't be um only the church should um be responsible for marriage. >> Yes. For Christians and the state should
03:57:02
Andrew Wilsonhave no say. Yes. >> For only Christians. So everyone else can >> I don't give a [ __ ] if secularists go and [ __ ] go, "Oh, we're going to get married and divorced in five." I don't care. I don't give a [ __ ] >> But I thought you said everyone else should
03:57:14
Andrew Wilson>> I want Christian. I don't. If I was a secularist allow anyone else to get married >> I think you conflate many things. So let's let's walk the position through. Okay. Andrew's position. Secular
03:57:26
Andrew Wilsonmarriage is [ __ ] stupid. It's stupid. It's meaningless. It's not foundational. I have no idea why they do it. You would be better off just walking out in the street with some random guy and being like, "Hey, we're married." And he goes,
03:57:37
Andrew Wilson"Yeah, I agree." That would be just as good. But if you wanted to if you just demanded that the state come in and you intervene in your marriage and and have
03:57:47
Andrew Wilsoncontracts with you, fine. I don't [ __ ] care. What I'm saying is that I think Christians should be able to exempt themselves from state control and that should be governed by the church. >> I mean, yeah, that that's fair. >> Duh. >> I mean,
03:58:00
Jen Stone>> it's a completely reason. The problem with you is like you don't even know my position. >> No, I do know that position cuz I've literally watched >> Why did you just straw man it? I I'm not straw manning it. Like you literally just said that you don't think anyone
03:58:13
Andrew Wilsonother than Christian should have the right to get married. You didn't say it about the state in that interview. No, you did not. >> Listen, what I said was that marriage should go back to the church. I don't
03:58:24
Andrew Wilsonconsider secular marriage valid. I don't even consider it valid. >> Any institution% of people consider themselves Christians. >> Yeah, that's nice. any anybody from my
03:58:34
Andrew Wilsonview who will marry two men or marry two women or marry three people together. That's not a valid institution for my view anymore. >> Well, I mean that's your view, but >> that's right. And I'm going to rule from
03:58:46
Andrew Wilsonmy view. I'm going to advocate for the rule from my view, not from your I don't [ __ ] care about your view. Your view is dumb. So, I'm not going to advocate that we rule from that view. I mean, all I have to say is that your view is
03:58:57
Andrew Wilsonhighly unpopular and yeah, none of that basically is >> Yeah, that's what leftists used to say about abortion, too. Your view is highly unpopular. But guess what? Times are changing. >> Well, yeah, times are changing. Trump
03:59:09
Jen StoneYeah. All all of your little Trump supporters, the majority of the young people now against that project 2025. Yes, they're implementing a lot of it, which is all Christian nationalist
03:59:21
Jen Stonebeliefs, but um when the whole Epstein thing happened, uh >> it kind of derailed all of that uh to a point >> by design. >> What they're prior 2025
03:59:33
Andrew Wilson>> because dumb [ __ ] are running around claiming that Trump is part of a pedal ring just made up. Completely made up by leftists. >> Yeah, I never said he I said he's a pedo protector. Who's not? >> Yeah, whatever. He's not. You just made that up, too. We have no evidence of that either.
03:59:46
Jen Stone>> No. Literally, >> literally the majority of all people every country, literally >> even on the right, they know that he's covering [ __ ] up. >> Whatever. No, >> you're in the small part of the population that still thinks he doesn't
03:59:59
Andrew Wilsonmatter. I'm going to end up being completely vindicated on it like I am every other view I have. >> I mean, we'll see about >> We should take you seriously because after all, your views are completely coherent. >> Yeah. not being
04:00:12
Jen Stone>> when you reference when you reference things you don't know anything about. >> I do. I don't have a great memory doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. Like I have dyslexia. I haven't slept and I've never been in a debate. And then y'all keep before I even answer y'all say something else.
04:00:25
Andrew Wilson>> You've been in multiple debates on whatever. I've watched them. >> Well, I've been on whatever. >> Engaged in multiple debates. >> Yeah. And then y'all kept trying to shut me up before I got to the point. >> Look, it's not my idea to have a two
04:00:36
Andrew Wilsonview. I always do one v one debates. >> I didn't I didn't want a twov. Always I always do one v one. But the thing is is like look, when Brian's go going back and forth with you, I'm not saying anything. I've been sitting here
04:00:49
Jen Stonequietly. >> Well, I appreciate that. But yeah, I wanted to debate you and then yeah, every time I try to say something then get to my point, then y'all say something to where I never get to my
04:01:00
Andrew Wilsonpoint and then says, "Well, move along. We're moving along." >> Well, do you understand though? Try to look at it from the opposition view. So, I try to be real short and concise with
04:01:11
Andrew Wilsonthe things that I say so that I can reiterate what it is that I'm saying so that other people can understand it the best way possible. >> When somebody else is going like and the
04:01:23
Andrew Wilsonand then it's all incoherent and it sounds like babble. Of course, people try to rein that in. I'm trying to be charitable though. >> Well, I appreciate that, but um I'm never debated. my brain thinks
04:01:35
Jen Stonedifferently different ways than other people's brains. Um, and I'm doing the best I can. And my I knew that I would not win the debate. That's not my purpose of being here. My purpose is
04:01:46
Jen Stoneliterally what I said in my beginning is uh follow the money. Don't vote for the packs. Um, literally all of that. Stop hating each other. >> Why ask for a debate if you I don't
04:01:58
Jen Stoneunderstand. >> I mean, I knew that I would win a debate. My my purpose or not here my purpose of being here is not to change
04:02:08
Jen StoneAndrew's views is to put out my point with a greater message that >> um for the truth of not don't switch
04:02:17
Jen Stonebeing dam or republic Republican if it's uh a corporate puppet verse someone who's not. Pick whoever's in the party that's not and um >> don't vote for the bad person. We did
04:02:31
Jen Stoneit. Got it. >> Uh, you also wrote good job grifting off Candace and Charlie. >> I mean, it's it was that was based off of him calling people murderers, calling Candace crazy, and then you reposting.
04:02:44
Andrew Wilson>> She is crazy. She's an idiot. >> And then, uh, >> literally, she's objectively she can't even pronounce the word she says. She's so [ __ ] stupid. >> That doesn't mean that you're stupid. I
04:02:55
Jen StoneI lit I have a condition that causes me to do that and neur neurological issues that caused >> her neurological issue is that she's [ __ ] stupid. >> Well, literally half the world believes
04:03:07
Jen Stonemore than the majority of people know what happened is um the FBI is not really telling us exactly what's going on. She's proven a lot of uh lies that have going on. >> Totally right. And when Charlie Kirk walked into rooms, the light flickered
04:03:20
Andrew Wilsonand he went to an X-Men school and he was a time traveler. I know. I mean, this is all stuff that Charlie Kirk said, so is he crazy, too. >> No, it's all stated out of context always. >> And that's the most charitable. Why do
04:03:32
Jen Stoneyou think Candace doesn't debate with anybody? She doesn't debate with anybody who will challenge these views because she gets destroyed. [clears throat] >> She's on Pierce She's on Pierce Morgan all the time. Him calling her. Yeah,
04:03:44
Andrew Wilson>> because she's debating with Pierce Morgan. Give me somebody like Steven Crowder. She was offered She was offered $30,000 to debate with Steven Crowder on
04:03:55
Andrew Wilsonv on these various issues. Nope. She's not going to do it, right? She's not going to debate with any of these people. >> But you're also not realizing that that there's like six other podcasters. >> Yeah.
04:04:07
Jen StoneI'll see if I can She's not going to do it. She in fact in fact tell her she can bring in Carol both at the same time. >> What about the other podcasters who are doing their own investigations? Hold on.
04:04:18
Jen Stone>> Can they come on too? >> Who actually? There's several other people who are also investigating and using their platform with other people to find stuff out. >> Investigating what? >> What happened to Charlie Kirk? >> Well, that's fine. I don't mind anybody
04:04:31
Jen Stoneinvestigating what happened to Charlie >> Kirk. They're they're backing. >> You think there's an inside job or what do you >> Yeah, some at some point I think our CI has been doing shady >> Tyler who killed him. >> He might have killed him. Yeah. But I
04:04:44
SPEAKER_04don't think he was the only one involved. Okay. Um, but I don't understand. >> Do you think Erica Kirk's a PDF, too? >> Um, there's some grooming texts that came out, but I don't have any evidence that
04:04:55
Andrew Wilsonshe's a PDF. >> Even though the person who those texts were to literally said, and she's an adult and has been for a long time, that wasn't grooming. You took it completely
04:05:07
Jen Stoneout of you. Took it completely out of cont. And what did she and that's what she said. She said at the time, like most people who've been groomed, she didn't see anything wrong with it. But as an adult, she looks back and was like, "Yeah, that's kind of weird.
04:05:20
Andrew Wilson>> That is not true. That is factually not." She literally said it was not grooming at all. That she had a great relationship with her and she helped her out. That's what she actually said.
04:05:31
Andrew Wilson>> Um, >> what a No one No one's actually Did you hear her say that or what? >> Yeah. Not only that, but >> where is it? Where's who who's ever
04:05:42
Andrew Wilsonaccused Erica Kirk? Where's a single victim? You see, you know, this is my biggest problem with these people, right? >> Is like there they always make all these Yeah. And the victim says they weren't a victim
04:05:54
Jen Stone>> saying, "I want to touch your butt and like stuff about vines and stuff like that. >> The victim claims they weren't victimized." >> She said at the time, >> no, she she claimed she wasn't
04:06:06
Andrew Wilsonvictimized. So it's like that's the craziest part is like >> Did you hear her come on say that? >> You know what I would like like one day? I would like one day for you people when
04:06:18
Andrew Wilsonyou get involved in these [ __ ] massive crazy ass tinfoil hack conspiracies which by the way I love conspiracies and many are true. The problem is is like our our quality of conspiracy theorist has gone way down. I
04:06:31
Andrew Wilsondon't know why but since the art bell days it's just rapidly decreased. I would like for there to actually be victims. Show me the victims. >> Where are they? >> Of what? Of
04:06:42
Jen Stone>> conspiracy. Where's her victims? >> I didn't say she was a Pedia file. I never claimed >> a groomer, though. >> I mean, literally, if Brian was on that if those texts were about Brian, everyone would be calling him a groomer,
04:06:56
Jen Stonetoo. >> Uhhuh. Except the except the victim. >> That's kind of how grimming works. I was grim as well, >> even though they're adults. I didn't see anything wrong with it as well when I separated. >> That's amazing. So now by this name >> until later in life, nobody can ever say
04:07:10
Brian Atlasthey were victimized. >> But can I ask you a question? Let's say you have an uncle and say uh you know it's an older uncle and you're like 13 and your uncle's like you're very
04:07:20
Brian Atlashandsome or uh says to says to a woman uh you're you're going to grow up to be a beautiful lady or something whatever. Is that grooming? >> No. But what's grimming is Erica is saying, "I want to be inside your lady garden."
04:07:34
Jen Stone>> I think that's grimming. >> I don't know. I ain't going to defend that. >> You know what I'm saying? This is crazy. She said, "I want to be inside your lady garden." And she also said she wanted to touch her butt and all like all kinds of
04:07:46
Jen Stonestuff saying, "Oh, I haven't um >> Okay, that [ __ ] might be a little weird now." >> That's what I'm saying, >> but I don't know the details. I don't know the details. >> What's the context? If I want to be inside your lady,
04:07:57
SPEAKER_01>> where's the context? Bolsonaro donated $200. >> Question for the near genius lady. >> I don't think I'm a genius. >> Usually handle situations where there simply isn't enough data to make a
04:08:09
SPEAKER_01logically sound decision, but you are still forced to act. >> Wait, how do you usually handle very simply? [sighs] Um, like what? I need more
04:08:21
Jen Stonecontext to that. That >> That's all you wrote. That's all there is. Um, there's really no data for it and no context to anything.
04:08:33
Jen Stone>> I I guess >> I mean that's kind of broad. Um, like have a vote from the people. I don't freaking know. And consult other people and see what they have to say about it like in your staff or Okay.
04:08:45
Brian Atlas>> Literally I mean >> um Okay. Um, but I guess what was the thing about the grifting off Kansas and Charlie thing? It's cuz I when I I wanted to talk about Candace and all of
04:08:57
Jen Stonewhat was happening that was and also it was the James Helerico thing. Um it was when I saw that you had uh were reposting like Candace's interview that
04:09:10
Jen Stonetook me off cuz he was calling her crazy. I was trying to talk to you about Candace and all this alternative. >> Yeah. Months ago I reposted I I posted it >> right when he died and the whole Candace
04:09:20
Jen Stonething it was like a battle. I was like, I mean, I get that yeah, maybe posting Charlie's stuff to, you know, uh, keep his legacy alive, but then when I saw that you reposting Candace's stuff, I
04:09:34
Jen Stonewas like, dude, like, you won't talk about Candace, but then you're reposting your show. >> I've had her on the show. >> No, that's what I was saying on the show. >> That's what I was saying. I wanted to talk about that. >> I I don't have any beef with Candace. >> No, I don't think you do.
04:09:46
Jen Stone>> I mean, I don't agree with with her on everything. I don't agree with her on everything too, but my beef was >> I was off >> that that I wanted >> How do you define grifting? What is
04:09:58
Jen Stone>> Well, I think posting Kendall's stuff but not being willing to talk about her after a murder and stuff like I was mad that you you were leaving me on cuz I said I want to debate and you said about
04:10:10
Jen Stonewhat and I said only if you're willing to talk about um things that are are deeper than uh dating and you had me explain everything I want to talk about. >> You to give prompts about what >> No, you never said prompts. So, I I told
04:10:23
Jen Stoneyou everything I want to talk about about the corruption and and everything and then and uh yeah, then you left me on red and then posted Candace's stuff. I'm like, dude, he doesn't want to talk about it, but then he's financially
04:10:35
Brian Atlasbenefiting off of reposting this stuff. >> She was on the show and we posted the the full version, the full portion of her appearance. But how do you define grifting? I think the grift part was not
04:10:48
Jen Stonewanting to talk about >> what the gri define grifting. >> Grifting is making money off something in a um
04:10:58
Brian Atlasin a immoral way like >> immoral. How so is making money grifting in and of itself? >> Um it can be. >> So everybody's a grifter. >> I mean
04:11:08
Jen Stone>> what do you mean? much if if you don't if I would say if you're like spreading lies to make money or not willing only willing to >> talk Listen, let me finish this. When you're only talking about one
04:11:20
Jen Stoneperspective but not willing to have people on uh who >> that wouldn't even be grifting, but >> No, but the the grift was that he was calling everyone murderous. I had a a
04:11:33
Jen Stonetear idea and I was telling you, hey, watch all these other people who are showing evidence of this and this and this. I think something might be wrong with this case and and then um he has all these disagreements about
04:11:46
Jen StoneCandace and the narrative. I want to talk about it. >> Um you you leave me on red, but then you post Candace's stuff. >> Uh >> I posted her appearance. >> We repost old content all the time, but >> I get that, but it's literally the same
04:11:58
SPEAKER_04time as all of this. Everyone's making money off Candace and Charlie. That was my issue with it. >> I guess two things here really quick. My I think my definition >> makes money off of me too. Is that
04:12:08
Jen Stonegrifting? >> If somebody gets murdered and um
04:12:15
Jen Stoneand somebody else has an ulterior uh idea of what happened and um I'm trying to get get that out. And then you're
04:12:27
Brian Atlasyou're saying that um >> then Candace would be a grifter >> um to a point everyone's grifter >> as far as Candace's stuff with like the the assassination uh and Andrew has I
04:12:39
Brian Atlasthink said this many times it was Yeah. Okay. >> Uh >> poor taste. >> Andrew has said this many times. Uh I don't think that uh Candace has forwarded any compelling evidence uh as
04:12:51
SPEAKER_04to like alternative explanations of the assassination. Perhaps there's coincidences. Per. But in terms of what's the word you use? >> That's why it's an investigation. >> Compelling evidence. >> Compelling evidence.
04:13:03
Brian Atlas>> That's why it's an investigation. >> In that case, affirmative evidence. Yes. >> It's like where's the actual evidence? Look, if >> everything is just skepticism, >> she's proven like several things that people are lying about USA.
04:13:16
Brian Atlas>> Andrew, would you agree if like some evidence did come forward, you'd be totally prepared to believe it? In fact, >> the weapon alone, the story with the weapon alone doesn't make sense >> with the 306. Yeah, >> because there's no way a 306 could penetrate.
04:13:28
Brian Atlas>> Oh boy. >> Are you talking about that Ian or No, it wasn't Ian Carol. >> Well, it was he he was saying how he was he was apparently a ballistics expert. Um, >> it's not just one. The whole internet's
04:13:41
Andrew Wilsontalking about this, you know. >> Yeah, but I I Andrew, >> except it happened with Martin Luther King. >> Huh? >> I saw your video. This happened before with the same type of weapon with
04:13:52
Andrew Wilsonanother political leader who was and it did not penetrate all the way through. And the reason that you don't use cowbones and things like this is because
04:14:01
Andrew Wilsonthey or ballistic gel, you have to use a pigspine and uh they in order to simulate what happens with a human being. But this has happened before, especially if you're using soft point
04:14:13
Andrew Wilsonammunition and which makes sense if this is a hunting rifle. It's SP ammo, right? That there wouldn't be any penetration. The the entrance wound was quite was actually quite large. >> The the timing of it though of the
04:14:25
SPEAKER_04firearm too doesn't have that supposed to be an impact on the barrel or something. >> It can have an impact on the twist. >> Even if you add the time frame to to what they said happened, it doesn't make sense. >> Listen, do you see do you see what I
04:14:38
Andrew Wilsonmean though? That's not affirmative evidence. What you need is affirmative evidence. >> What that means is this. >> Here's Yeah. So, here's the thing, right? It's just always endless investigations. This was what happened.
04:14:49
Andrew WilsonHere's why I'm so skeptical. I'll explain. Let me explain my reasoning. I remember when the Steel Dossier came out and I heard Democrats in unison for two years say, "Where there's smoke, there's fire. Where the smoke there's fire, we
04:15:01
Andrew Wilsonneed more investigations. More investigations. More investigations. Things aren't adding up. And where there's smoke, there's fire. More." And it was all [ __ ] The whole Russia collusion thing, total [ __ ] [ __ ]
04:15:13
Andrew Wilsonfrom the ground up. It was total [ __ ] It was a complete hoax and it was a con job. And at the time, I remember and people forget, but I was around. I was in I was doing political content at the time. >> You don't want the reasoning,
04:15:27
Andrew Wilson>> huh? >> Oh, she's about this. I agree. >> What I'm saying to you is is that I remember them for years doing this. And I remember a bunch of stupid ass right-wingers falling for that SCOP, too, and coming in and saying, "Hey,
04:15:40
Andrew WilsonAndrew, look, there are a lot of questions. You know they are bringing up a lot of valid points. Hey Andrew, you know they and it was all [ __ ] a croc of [ __ ] And the never Trumpers were all behind it too. Those are guys on our
04:15:52
Andrew Wilsonside and it was all [ __ ] And so the thing is is like now when I hear people and they have endless [ __ ] questions but posit affirmative evidence, I instant stop. I instantly don't believe them.
04:16:04
Andrew Wilson>> Instantly don't believe them until they give me affirmative evidence. All they do is endlessly call for investigations. I want more investigations. >> This has proven a [ __ ] ton of lies from TPS USA. And then there's a ton of
04:16:16
Andrew Wilsonpeople who actually all lies. That's not affirmative evidence of an alternative explanation to Kirk's murder. It's not. It's not. >> That's why it's investigated. There's a lot of shady crap going on.
04:16:27
Jen Stone>> Yeah. More investigations. >> Well, if no evidence is not being transparent and if the story doesn't make sense, it forces the public to >> go through the conspiracy route. Um
04:16:40
Jen StoneHannah has been correct about like Epstein's connection like things that before it was cool. She was telling everybody was >> she says that Bridget Mcronone is a man. Breit Mcronone is a man based on a
04:16:53
Andrew Wilson>> a book. It's based off of a book >> by a lunatic who has been proven to be a lunatic many many times. >> What do you mean? This guy has all sorts of mental issues and in Yes. Also in
04:17:05
Andrew Wilsoncourt. And not only that, not only that, you know what's missing from all that Breijit Mcronone [ __ ] A single p single piece of affirmative evidence. A single piece. >> Yeah. I don't think that makes her crazy. >> Zero evidence.
04:17:17
Jen Stone>> I don't think zero evidence. >> Zero evidence. >> I don't think that makes her I think it's necessary. >> We'll just do endless Russia. I don't think the she's crazy. If we didn't have there's no evidence. >> I mean, I think I believe there is.
04:17:30
Andrew Wilson>> I don't think she's crazy. I think she listen I genuinely don't think there are people who are crazies online. I genuinely don't think Andy Owens is crazy. I told my wife this. We were arguing about it and I was like she's
04:17:41
Andrew Wilsonnot crazy. She's just [ __ ] stupid. But people can't fathom that. They they're like no it can't be possible cuz she's popular this and that. Blah blah blah. But think about this. Think about the inongruence here. Why are all these
04:17:53
Andrew Wilsonmen listening to a [ __ ] woman to begin with? That's insane. And the second thing >> she wrote a book about the second thing is is she was a former Democrat operative. She was a former
04:18:04
Andrew WilsonDemocrat. Yeah. She was an operative. She she was suing based on racial issues. She had a doxing website that was leftwing leftwing based. The whole shift to the right. >> We're all propaganda.
04:18:15
Andrew Wilson>> The whole shift to the right is recent. And it's like no look she's an opportunist. She's an opportunist. And the most important part is just this. And Fuentes got this right with Ian
04:18:26
Andrew WilsonCarol too, right? Ian Carol's probably go back to delivering [ __ ] pizzas. Okay, these people are just not smart. I don't know what else to say. They're not smart people. >> I think
04:18:38
Brian Atlasis pretty smart. >> But uh on the grifting thing, the grifting thing. >> It's really just about the Candace thing. >> Well, then the Charlie, but so yeah, because I had reposted some stuff around that time. I do want to point out I I
04:18:51
Brian Atlasthink >> I would frame it as counternarrative. So people on your side, the left, >> my side. >> I'd say your left. Okay. >> I'm sorry. Sorry. It's not my side. >> Regardless of people on the left,
04:19:04
Brian AtlasDemocrats, liberals, progressives, whatever, whatever. Instead of just simply recognizing the tragedy for what it was, uh we almost immediately the
04:19:15
Brian Atlasother side within hours started clipping him out of context to try to paint him as a racist, sexist, misogynist, transphobic, etc. in an effort to
04:19:26
Brian Atlasdiminish or lessen the impact of his assassination. >> I agree with that. So, and I >> seeing the seeing this and also being like,
04:19:38
Brian Atlasyou know, like completely shocked by what happened. We'd had him on the podcast two times. >> I And by the way, when Charlie came on, he he was a saint.
04:19:48
Brian Atlas>> He was nice to everybody, very sweet, but people wanted to clip him and paint him as this monster. And I was like, well, if they're going to clip him, I want to push out like some
04:20:00
Brian Atlascounternarrative like here he is being really nice to these women when they're accusing him of being this monster, this sexist. He hated women, he was a misogynist. And so I was like, let me
04:20:11
Brian Atlaspush out that all the nice things like how how pleasant he was to the other women panelists on the show when he came out. While the other side wanted to paint him in a negative light,
04:20:23
Brian Atlas[clears throat] which I thought, look, you can disagree with Charlie, but it it did seem a little despicable. You know, it did seem like an effort to try to diminish the
04:20:34
Brian Atlasimpact of what happened. And you had people rejoicing, people who were happy. Yeah. >> Completely disgusted. >> That was messed up, dude. Like I had to
04:20:43
Jen Stoneunfriend people who were like laughing me like being sad about Charlie Cook. I didn't like Charlie Cook, but I would I cried several times cuz it was all [ __ ] up. >> I have a question for you though. >> I have a question.
04:20:57
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> You've done a lot of research on on me on Andrew. I I did a little digging of my own. Not really digging. I mean, on your Instagram, you include a link to a website. >> Oh, that's my grandfather's
04:21:09
Jen Stone>> grandfather. Um, >> he was one of the original uh, metaphysical um, authors before it was cool. He's not alive anymore, so I don't want to anyone talking [ __ ] about my >> I mean,
04:21:22
Brian Atlas>> I'm not really going to talk [ __ ] but um, you accuse me of grifting. I suspect you accuse Andrew of grifting. Um, me personally, I think grifting would be uh, doing something for profit. Uh, say,
04:21:34
Brian Atlasfor example, saying something that you don't believe in. >> Yeah, I agree with that. So yeah, like uh if you're laring as like a conservative because you feel as though this will be my pathway to making money,
04:21:46
Brian Atlasso I'm going to espouse a conservative viewpoint. Even if you don't believe it, that that's what I would be consider grifting. Uh if you happen to be conservative and you make money by doing
04:21:58
Brian Atlasit, but you genuinely believe that in which you are espousing, that wouldn't be grifting. No, my I said my only thing grift was the Candace part is what I said >> you because you promote you have a large
04:22:11
Brian Atlasfollow decently large following on Instagram 20,000 followers on Instagram. Uh and I looked at the website your grandfather and uh it's interesting you accuse me of being a grifter. >> I've never made any money off of that.
04:22:25
Jen StoneWhat are you talking about? I'm keeping my legacy alive. >> Promote his books. >> I promote the website. I don't make money off that. It's not It's not my money. That's my family legacy. >> Well, the estate I assume the you said
04:22:36
Brian Atlashe passed away. I'm sorry to hear that, but the estate makes money like your parents generally >> like a thousand bucks a month. What? >> Okay. Which would I assume would pass down to you, but I mean my >> I'm trying to keep my family legacy
04:22:49
Brian Atlasalive. >> Well, my research into that, he had a your grandfather had a heavy focus on ESP, psychic abilities, mind over matter claims. >> I mean, look at the CIA. There's
04:23:00
Jen Stoneactually proof of that [ __ ] work. I mean the if you look at the CIA they had programs like that too like project >> claims that project that's one of them. He had telepathic
04:23:10
Jen Stone>> there there is there's the CIA used that program and he talked about that CIA program in his book >> but he sells books. Okay. But here's here's so okay he in his books it's
04:23:21
Brian Atlasinfluencing reality with thoughts developing extra ESP extra sensory perception healing the body through vis visualization telepathic communications these claims are not supported by
04:23:33
Brian Atlasmainstream science um >> he graduated from MIT >> by the way he claimed that you could develop telepathy clairvoyance remote viewing pre-cognition there's a lot of psych
04:23:46
Brian Atlasprograms hold Here's where it gets a little iffy on the grift. Um, by the way, I said I don't want to talk about reproducible scientific evidence that humans can develop psychic powers. Just throwing that out there.
04:23:59
Brian Atlas>> Yeah, look at the CIA. >> He claimed that he doesn't make that claim. >> He claimed through visualization that you could cure physical diseases, speed tissue regeneration, fix chronic
04:24:10
Brian Atlasconditions, eliminate pain immediately. >> Dude, I I don't want you to talk [ __ ] about my grandfather. >> [ __ ] I'm literally It's facts. What does this have to do with me? >> Act as also claiming act as a potent substitute for medical treatment.
04:24:22
SPEAKER_04>> Pretty funny how defensive you get when people attack you. >> Hold on. Hold on, >> dude. Like did he wrote the book? >> My It's my grandfather's dead and you're >> psychotronic power. >> Yeah, it's a great book. >> Okay.
04:24:34
Brian Atlas>> It's very popular. >> So, [sighs and gasps] >> it's a great book. >> Also, he claims you can communicate with inner psychic entities. Now, >> dude, if
04:24:46
Brian Atlasreligious. Do you believe in [ __ ] like that, too? Like, what's so crazy about it? >> If the claim is like if he was pushing people away from, for example, if somebody had cancer and he was pushing
04:24:58
Jen Stoneaway from >> he he uh which I mean, if you read the Bible and stuff, >> it seems a bit grifty that you're if you read the Bible, >> pseudocience, >> it says fasting and uh praying,
04:25:10
Jen Stoneespecially long periods, can heal you. He literally, a lot of the stuff that's in the Bible, he was saying too. that God can heal you. He, you know, that he >> did he claim that visualization can cure physical diseases.
04:25:22
Jen Stone>> It's about your mindset. Um, >> can cure cancer? >> Um, >> did he claim that? >> I mean, I don't know if he claimed that it will will cure cancer. as a
04:25:34
Jen Stonechronically ill person. Uh when I was really negative in my life, didn't know what was going wrong with me. Um the
04:25:44
Jen Stonesicker I got because I was so worried and like, oh, poor me, poor everything. Um I got this really negative place to where like I legit lost the ability to
04:25:55
Jen Stonewalk and stuff. And it took me finding the light again. You could say God or whatever to where my uh chronic illness like uh got better like three times
04:26:07
Jen Stonebetter. And that's not doing his technique. It's literally not being depressed and stressed and um and like yeah stress actually kill. There's proof that stress will age. Stress will cause
04:26:20
Brian Atlasit's literally that. >> But I think there there is a mind body connection in so far as Yeah. Like let's say you have >> you the healer. Yeah, it does help. >> So like if you're super stressed out
04:26:31
Brian Atlasversus like doing meditation, relaxation exercises that can have an Well, it wouldn't cure cancer. I I think >> I don't think it would cure cancer either, >> but I just find it interesting. There's a lot of accusations of grifting, but you're promoting your grandfather's
04:26:46
Brian Atlaswork. >> What do you mean? I don't make any money off of it, so it's not a grift. >> If you are promoting his work, which eventually would Three views a month, by the way, >> would eventually financially funnel down
04:26:59
Jen Stoneto you. >> The three views per month from my my Instagram is a grift. Okay. >> If I made less money, would I still be grifting? >> Um, no. You would just be [ __ ] posting on the internet.
04:27:11
Jen Stone[laughter] >> Okay. All right. I guess I don't know. That's all I had on that. >> I mean, yeah. Like I you can literally see how many views my page gets. Even though I have all those followers, there's basically >> Wouldn't that be irrelevant, though?
04:27:23
Jen Stonebasically zero views. My dad asked me to put the link in and I did because I love my grandparents. I love my grandfather and um I don't want his legacy to die.
04:27:34
Jen Stone>> It's not about money. I don't make money. My family barely makes money. It's it's about loving my my >> Yeah. But you want them to make money off of it. And you want it to get viewed, right? >> Um Yeah. Because >> let's assume for a second [laughter]
04:27:47
Andrew Wilsonit's a legacy, right? Let's assume for a second it was wildly viewed and it was wildly bought. >> Is it a griff then? >> Um
04:27:59
Jen Stone>> I I guess it could be. I mean my my thing is using someone else's uh misfortune or
04:28:06
Jen Stoneum of a situation to make money. Um is you know like uh you saying Candace is crazy. everybody's grifters and but and
04:28:17
Jen Stonethen me trying to be like, "Dude, this isn't cool." Um like um then you reposting Candace's stuff without um it was the Candace. It's not the
04:28:27
Jen StoneCharlie part. It's like because you know Candace is popular in the moment and um you not only reposted uh >> Well, I think if you're going to levy accusations of grifting,
04:28:39
Brian Atlas>> I just thought that video post was a grift. I think if you're going to levy accusations of grifting towards our direction, I think to examine >> Yeah, but you wanted to. >> Well, even even let's assume you didn't even >> It could all be free. I'd still I still
04:28:53
Brian Atlashave it on my page. >> You know what? Even if we put grifting aside, my objection to the content that you're promoting, let's assume you don't make any money whatsoever. Um although it would eventually, I suppose, trickle
04:29:03
Brian Atlasdown through the estate. Uh, I could just find it objectionable that you are promoting content that could be deemed as pseudo pseudoscientific
04:29:14
Brian Atlastelepathy. Uh, you can cure cancer or you can cure illnesses. >> You can make them better. And there's >> you can't just cure cancer through
04:29:24
Jen Stonepositive vibes, bro. >> I mean, fasting and other ways. Yeah. I don't think he claimed like don't go to the doctor. You didn't read the books, did you? No, I don't know the specific
04:29:36
Andrew Wilsonclaims, but I did I did look into it. >> When the Bible says fasting and uh all of that does heal Jesus can heal >> abs in Christ, it does the opposite according to the Bible.
04:29:48
Brian Atlas>> I mean, yeah, my my grandfather believed in Christ, too. >> But I think delaying like starting chemotherapy, for example. >> Oh, he would never condone that. >> Okay. Well, I don't know. I don't know the exact positions. I'm saying if that was the case.
04:30:00
Brian Atlas>> Yeah, that'd be [ __ ] up. He was like, "No, read my book about visualization and meditation and that will >> they should go to jail if they did that. >> That will cure your ailments." Well, >> that would be [ __ ] They they should
04:30:13
Brian Atlasgo to jail. >> So, I Yeah, I don't know. But I'm I'm asking you if that was the case. >> No, that's not the case. >> Okay. >> But he does have some pretty, you know,
04:30:23
Jen Stoneout there pientific claims. >> Yeah. He's wacky. Okay. Um, he's also very smart on your Instagram. >> I put a link in there cuz my dad asked
04:30:33
Jen Stoneme to. There's literally zero up to three clicks per month. Like, I don't know if that's a grift. Is that a grift? If zero, mostly zero. >> Even if you don't make money, I would still object to somebody promoting
04:30:46
Brian Atlaspseudocientific content. But anyways, whatever. That's >> whatever. Like, that's my grandfather. Like, that's my father. That's my family. I think it's only fair if you you've basically been interrogating us on our positions that we
04:30:59
Jen Stone>> That's cool. >> We in investigate a little bit on >> Oh, that's cool. Now, you know, I didn't believe in everything my grandfather said, but >> ESP telekinesis. >> Um,
04:31:12
Jen Stone>> anyways, whatever. >> Can you move the pencil with your mind? >> No. >> Well, then what what sort of telekinesis is this? >> And couldn't you like control? Dude, who
04:31:23
Andrew Wilsondid I even say that I believe in everything you said? No. >> And yeah, I don't want to keep telling about my grandfather. Like, >> okay, then we'll move on. >> It's my family. You You don't want to want people doing that to your family. >> I thought it was funny earlier when you
04:31:36
SPEAKER_02said somebody brought it up. He said, "It's fine because it's just a fact." Well, this is just a fact. This just facts. >> What facts? >> He's just reading you facts. >> Why are you so defensive when it's just facts?
04:31:48
Andrew Wilson>> That's so weird. Why are you so defensive when it's just facts? Right. I can't be a crypt if I don't make money. >> It's fine. So, it's just facts. We're just stating facts. >> Facts of what? >> Yeah. Well, what do you mean? Remember earlier she was just stating facts? I
04:32:01
Brian Atlashave no reason to ever question. It was just facts, right? >> All those incel men who are DMing you definitely bought like all the books from your grandfather that he they'reating.
04:32:12
Jen Stone>> They're going to learn the telepathy so they can seduce you. >> Hey, he actually has books on how to do that with the opposite sex. mind control books like
04:32:22
Jen Stone>> yeah which I believe is wrong but men aren't the books kind so you don't believe in the content >> no I believe it's possible to do that >> it's my grandfather people are
04:32:35
SPEAKER_04manipulating people in >> your grand Hitler [laughter] >> my grandfather's >> I guess it's well hold on >> that might be a little far bit of a stretch >> literally a book about it's literally about charisma and [ __ ] like
04:32:47
Jen Stone>> if your grandfather was Epstein [laughter] Okay, >> hold on. I'm going to maintain the integrity of this island. >> I don't think you should manipulate manipulate people. Sorry, [laughter]
04:32:59
Jen Stonedude. Shut up. I'm dyslexic. Okay, >> not you. I was laughing at his joke. [laughter] >> That was just funny. I'm going to maintain the integity. >> Did he have children? Epste I
04:33:10
Andrew Wilson>> I don't think he did, actually. >> Gillain, how do you say your name? Gizane. Galain. >> Jizzeline. Jizane. [laughter] Actually, I actually don't know. I don't
04:33:21
Brian Atlasthink he did, though. Jack can correct me if I'm wrong on that. >> She was kind of uh Anyways, whatever. Um, >> he had a brother. >> You wrote something very mean about Andrew. You said that
04:33:34
Jen Stone>> I don't even remember. >> You said Oh, did I say he's Oh, I remember what I said. >> What did you say? >> Uh, I said he's a a cook. >> Oh, there we go.
04:33:43
Jen Stone>> Oh, boy. Well, and my perspective of that is that you're a smart person and I think that you're sticking to a viewpoint. You're a very smart person and I think you're sticking to
04:33:55
Jen Stone>> how many Well, let's start with this. >> I think that you're you shouldn't be defending Trump as much as you do. >> Why does that make him a cuck though? >> That you're like >> he's a cuck for Trump. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> What?
04:34:08
Jen Stone>> That cuck is a cuck is a very broad term used these days. Um I maybe his his bish No, I don't think so >> for Trump. >> Um I think if you
04:34:20
Jen Stone>> What the >> No, I don't I don't I think that you're like, "Oh, that is kind >> I think you're a cuck for James Taller Rico." >> I definitely am. >> What did you say your body count was
04:34:30
Jen Stoneagain? >> Um I I didn't say and I' I've um Yeah, I don't date. I don't >> I think she needs to get laid to be honest. I I I don't want to
04:34:41
Jen Stone>> I think it's been a while, Andrew. She might be She [laughter] could be the more lines getting laid. >> More than 20. >> No, no, >> more than 15.
04:34:52
Jen Stone>> No, I gave the range 10 to 20. In the last like what, like eight years, there's been three people or something. Three people. >> Three people.
04:35:04
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. So, >> okay. Okay. Well, you called him a cuck and then you said, "Oh, I was just being mean for Trump." >> You said you have a huge issue with me platforming Andrew the way I do. >> It's just the way he speaks to people.
04:35:16
Jen StoneReally? >> Andrew almost overwhelmingly matches energy. >> Almost all the time. Andrew will be polite. >> He matched the energy of the other people when I was on the show. The way
04:35:28
Brian Atlasy'all like usually y'all don't get to that energy till later on. Like remember when the the girl who had the lisp, >> he wasn't he didn't do he didn't mock her lisp first, she was being antagonistic towards me and like the
04:35:40
Brian Atlasgood friend that Andrew is, he defended me. >> That's true. >> By insulting her. [laughter] Hey, but she had it coming. Okay. She she was very mean. And by the way, she assaulted, didn't she assault you, Andrew? She did. She assaulted
04:35:52
Andrew Wilsonphysically assault. >> Hang on. I've been assaulted on this show. I've been assaulted multiple times on this show, by the way, by crazy ass women. >> I don't know what it is about the Whatever podcast, Andrew, that it seems
04:36:06
Andrew Wilsonlike you go everywhere else. Things are mostly fine. >> Well, y'all took that energy out on me as >> there's always something crazy going on because y'all took that chaotic energy and >> it's because I drive women [ __ ] crazy. That's it. I drive them crazy and they can't help it. They just lose their
04:36:20
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] minds. >> Yeah. Um, you took that energy of what she did and brought it directly to me. I you know I went back and watched that the episode that I was on with you. >> You were very nice. It was actually him who was
04:36:31
Brian Atlas>> So how come I'm getting the grief? >> Um I wrote that before that episode actually. >> This is what they do Andrew on the internet over message they have all the smoke. Then when confronted you did
04:36:43
Jen Stonelaugh at me when confronted in person they completely backpedal. They completely >> No, it's literally the way you speak to people. And you talk about morals and Christianity like >> um it my issue is the delivery, not the message. >> The tone.
04:36:58
Jen Stone>> The tone. >> The tone. >> Yeah. Tone policing. Whatever. It's not the tone. It's actually the words. >> What? Which words? >> Um talking about like dick sucking and
04:37:07
Jen Stoneall kinds of crazy [ __ ] you've said. >> Look, it's a dating podcast. sometimes these topics >> quote all of it but um yeah basically calling them all evil
04:37:19
Andrew Wilsonand [ __ ] like that >> I don't call them all evil >> evil not all of them but >> I call evil people evil who you know what it is >> no one's purely evil
04:37:28
Andrew Wilson>> but I don't I agree the well >> there are some people who are purely evil but the thing is is like um >> usually the only time that I'll go after
04:37:40
Andrew Wilsona person hard is when they're advocating for an evil ideology. Meaning they double down on the ide. So we're in an argument and they're promoting evil [ __ ] ideologies and yeah, I'll go
04:37:51
Jen Stonepretty hard at them. >> Um, sorry. >> Okay, >> I get that. But again, I can't remember
04:38:00
Jen Stoneexact moments, but sometimes I feel like it the as strong as you go, it kind of promotes other men speaking to women that way. And you see that, you see that through the chat.
04:38:12
Andrew Wilson>> I wish more men I wish more men would speak to women in a more firm way. I wish that they would I wish that they'd be like, "Stop being a stupid [ __ ] bitch." I actually do. I wish that more men would look at women and say, "Stop
04:38:25
Andrew Wilsonbeing a stupid [ __ ] bitch." I do. I wish that. And you know who else wishes that? Women. >> Oh, >> women often tell me, "You know what? I wish more men would tell women to stop being stupid [ __ ] [ __ ] too." I
04:38:36
Andrew Wilsondo. That's what I hear all the time. I bet you're one of them. Don't you wish more men would tell stupid [ __ ] when they're being stupid [ __ ] to stop being a stupid [ __ ]
04:38:48
Jen Stone>> I wouldn't use those words, but sure. >> Are you Are you going to fill drink? >> What the [ __ ] >> Vindication. >> See my brain. >> Vindication. >> Put it back down. >> Yes, I do think now. Not every >> drinking the wrong cup. Sorry, I do have
04:39:02
Andrew Wilsonone. >> Not every woman's a stupid [ __ ] Most women aren't stupid [ __ ] but there are some women >> are not. Yeah. who act like stupid [ __ ] And I wish more men would tell them to stop being a stupid [ __ ] Yes.
04:39:14
Jen Stone>> Can men be stupid [ __ ] [laughter] >> Well, we we call them the fs slur. >> Stupid fs slur. >> F or what? S. What' you say? >> We're not going to we won't repeat it, but uh
04:39:26
Andrew Wilson>> they they get called way worse than a [ __ ] We call them >> the fsler. That's what we reserve for when men are being out. But the thing is is like for some reason there's like even when women are being the most
04:39:38
Jen Stonehorrible [ __ ] people on planet earth, you have to still treat them with kid gloves. I'm like, "Fuck that. Tell them stop being a stupid bitch." >> Tell like Yeah, exactly. With the No, with the Charlie thing, you said, "Well, I'm better than you." And stuff like
04:39:52
Andrew Wilsonthat. Um >> Okay. No, I asked her a question. I said, "Is the reason that you're attacking me this way when I didn't do that to you because I'm better than you?" The point that I was making is
04:40:02
Andrew Wilsondon't try to posture from a position of moral superiority when it is actually the case that I have superior morals. >> See, I mean, that sounds like you think you're superior um to me.
04:40:15
Andrew Wilson>> I What? >> I mean, to me, >> my moral positions are superior to Charlie's. 100%. Not even close. You know how I know that? Because she doesn't have moral positions. She's a
04:40:26
Andrew Wilsonmoral anti-realist. So I have to have my moral positions almost definitionally are superior because she's an anti- she doesn't believe that there's moral facts. >> Like that's moral Kirk for the viewers.
04:40:39
Brian AtlasWe're talking about Charlie. >> Oh yeah. >> Chuck that girl. That lady. >> Yeah. >> Uh okay. You said that the majority of political violence has been on the right.
04:40:51
Jen Stone>> Um not with like riots but actually murder like Yeah. So if you exclude the primary category in which well I mean even if you
04:41:03
Jen Stone>> protesting is is >> you mean writing? >> Yeah. Um I mean I think murdering people and like hitting
04:41:13
Jen Stonekicking cars and stuff are on different levels. Destroying a building versus murdering [clears throat] people. I think there's a different level of violence there. I just didn't like that you said the
04:41:26
Andrew Wilsonleft is murderous and like I was mad like >> murderous. >> Murderous. Whatever. Um >> they are murderous. >> Yeah. A few of them might be. >> No, no, no. Not a few. Collectively they
04:41:36
Jen Stoneare. They want to murder babies in mass. Murder them. >> Anything? Um, I mean, I don't condone um
04:41:48
Jen Stoneabortions, but I don't believe if you can't force something into a lady's body, you shouldn't be able to force something out. >> So, and if you look at the Jewish
04:41:58
Jen Stone>> um at the Bible, it was just a fine if you accidentally hurt, killed a baby during a fight. Um, it's just a fine. But if >> Well, I'm glad I'm not Jewish, but
04:42:10
Andrew Wilsonanyway, can >> No, but Christian, I mean, you're >> That's not the question. And the question is, who collectively right now wants to collectivize the ability to murder babies? Is it the left or the right? >> The majority of all,
04:42:23
Jen Stone>> answer my question. >> I mean, the left, but the majority of all people want some sort of abortion rights. Like the way it's in Texas is um they might have changed things. A lot of
04:42:34
Andrew Wilsonpeople were dying, and I don't think a child should be forced to have a baby. Um, so >> they weren't not a lot almost none by in fact almost none the the vast
04:42:46
Andrew Wilsonoverwhelming majority of abortions are not due to the health of the mother. That's insanity. And even if we granted even if we granted the exception >> up to the doctors
04:42:57
Andrew Wilson>> but even if we granted the exception for if it's the case that there was uh incest essay or direct health ramifications to the mom. If you're a minor, I would add minor.
04:43:08
Andrew Wilson>> Fine. I'll even add that as an exception, right? Um the vast majority of abortions will not be that. And so the thing is is like don't tell me the left isn't murderous when you just got
04:43:20
Andrew Wilsondone telling me that. Hang on. Stop. Let me Can I finish my point? >> When they collectivize to murder children, they and by your own admission. How's that not murderous? >> You said political violence like
04:43:31
Andrew Wilsonliterally killing political opponents. I didn't talk about abortion. I said murderous because that's murder and they have murderous intent because they're
04:43:41
Jen Stonecollectivizing to murder babies. >> So that when you after Charlie Kirk's death, you're talking about abortions, not us literally trying to murder. >> No, I'm talking about the mindset of the
04:43:51
Andrew Wilsonmurderous left. They're murderous. It's a murderous mindset. They don't >> Half of the population is murderous. >> No, there first of all, that's not half
04:44:01
Andrew Wilsonthe population. But if you're talking about inside of the United States, if you're on the left and you support that, then you have murderous intent. Yes. >> That's your opinion. >> That's your opinion, too.
04:44:14
Jen Stone>> I don't condone abortion. I don't I would never have a It depends. It's a loss of life. It depends on how old the baby is. I would stop it like at >> 20 weeks or less or something.
04:44:27
Jen Stone>> They don't want to do that either. >> Wasn't that what was in um >> No, they want to have it clear up. Yeah, that's gross. >> They want And again, >> that's gross. I would >> collectively that's what they want and they want it enshrined. >> They want You're wrong. I literally
04:44:39
Jen Stonewatch both sides. The majority both sides. >> No, but I watch all of the content. You're just saying something that from what I'm seeing >> doesn't really exist. >> You agree from my view that I believe that abortions murder?
04:44:53
Jen Stone>> Yeah. Okay, great. >> I see I see nothing wrong with that. >> So then it's completely consistent for me to say that leftists collectively have murderous >> in the context of it. You didn't really say babies. You're just talking about us being violent. >> I didn't ask.
04:45:05
Jen Stone>> I wasn't on the podcast with you. >> That's right. >> I watched all the reactions and Destiny was being a piece of [ __ ] too. I don't condone that either. >> I don't give a [ __ ] about that guy. >> Well, I'm talking about Piers Morgan.
04:45:18
Jen Stone>> When you were on Pierce Morgan, that's why I was like, "Okay, he's kind of like condone. You're stirring up what could be more political violence with this sort of speech is what my >> You mean the guy who said no political violence for his destiny. You said there
04:45:31
Jen Stonecould be. >> You call us all murderous. And he No, he was [ __ ] up, too. Like >> no, he was just the one who was [ __ ] up. I I disavowed political violence across the board. >> You didn't say, "Oh, because of babies." You just literally called them murderers. And And so of course the
04:45:45
Andrew Wilsonright >> they do have murderous intent. They do >> to to kill everybody. They believe that they're living in Nazi Germany under orange Hitler. Yes, they have murderous intent besides just abortion. They have
04:45:57
Jen Stonemurderous intent. >> After uh somebody gets murdered and our entire our um administration themselves are trying to
04:46:08
Jen Stonelike using messaging instead of calm it down, be peaceful to stir up more violence. Is is that >> Oh, yeah. They're calming it down. Remember how they tried to shoot Trump in the face?
04:46:20
Andrew Wilson>> Boy, it's real calm when Destiny came out and said the guy who who died there during that assassination attempt. Well, he had it coming. >> Do you know the info? >> Hang on. Stop, bro. Let me Can I finish my point? >> Previous Trump supporter.
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Andrew Wilson>> All right, whatever. I'll tell you what. You talk. I'm just going to sit here. >> I'm just saying >> because there's not this not even a conversation anymore, honestly. >> I'm sorry. I I didn't mean to I didn't mean to >> I don't even care about it. It's not to
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Brian Atlasme. It's not done then. It's not even that important. >> We're I think we're close to the end. But uh really quick, abortion. Um are you fine with >> abortion at any point? >> No, that's [ __ ] up. I I said 20 weeks
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Brian Atlasor less. >> 20 weeks. I I missed that part. My bad. >> Yeah. >> Uh okay. I guess we could do a different topic. I mean, there's basically Oh, you did say that you think Andrew himself is paid for. >> Oh, I didn't say that. I I said I was
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Jen Stonequestioning. >> Well, you said Yeah, you did say makes me wonder. makes me wonder. I was looking at the Christian nationalist movement and all of the >> Are you paid for, Andrew? >> I don't think you're paid for. That was more of like a Huh. >> Who's Who's paying you?
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SPEAKER_04>> I don't think you're paid for it. >> It's the Jews. >> I was talking because when you see like uh [laughter] >> they're paying me now.
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Andrew WilsonDid you get your 7,000? >> So, here's I'll I'll see. I was talking about Christian national. >> Hang on. I'll disclose every amount of income that I get right now books >> just to make sure that everybody >> No, I don't. I said paid for.
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Andrew Wilson>> I'll disclose. >> I never said he was paid for. >> Do you want the explanation >> has paid for him? >> Good. You have to stop talking though or I can't give it to you. So, the thing is is I'll disclose every amount of sources of income that I make.
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Andrew Wilson>> I make some money from a contract with Rumble. Uh most of my money comes from my audience and direct super chats. Uh, some money comes from my wife's books, which I take and then spend on guns.
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Andrew WilsonSome of my revenue comes in from debate university. >> Oh, I was. >> So, all of my So, all of my revenue, as far as I know, >> my point with that, >> all of my revenue, as far as I know,
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Jen Stonecomes in from me. So, I bought and paid for myself. >> Yeah. My point is is uh was about I was talking about Christian nationalism and the money supply and all the people in
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Jen Stonethe government who like are lying to our faces and um yeah supposedly Christian. And I was talking about how Texas uh turned red and like the oil companies and um all
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Jen Stonethe churches involved and all of that >> and paid for by >> I never said he was I was talking about the Christian nationalist movement. >> Yeah. No, >> I would take money from a Christian nationalist movement if they aligned with my views. >> He was I was
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Jen Stone>> No, I'm telling you, I would take money from a Christian nationalist movement that aligned with my views. >> Faze like researching how like the movement started and like so I was like, "Huh, makes me wonder dot dot dot dot." It wasn't literally me accusing him of
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Andrew Wilsonthat. >> That's fair. I understand. I get that. But now you know. >> Yeah, I'm >> But I would I would if there was like a real movement >> sponsors >> that aligned with my views,
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Jen Stone>> I would take all of their [ __ ] money. I am the king of the grift. It's true. >> Yeah. I mean that I just said makes you you wonder. It wasn't about literally I
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Andrew Wilsonthink you're paid for. >> Yeah. I don't like taking money from you know you know why like I would stay away from >> try to censor you. >> What's that? Does it try to censor you or something or what? >> They try to control what I say. >> Sorry, I'm hurting.
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Andrew Wilson>> They try to They try to control what you say. They try to control what you do. So, I've I've always been very adamant about funding through the fan base because that way we can do and say
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Andrew Wilsonwhatever the [ __ ] we want. And I've not ever taken a major contract with another organization even though many have been offered. >> Grassroots. Hell yeah. That's what I came here to talk about. >> All right. Um,
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Andrew Wilson>> so me and my fans can argue with each other. We can yell at each other like we will over the Epstein stuff. Guarantee it. We'll be arguing like crazy. People will be sending in super chats. We'll be screaming at each other. But at the end of the day, >> we're all trying to move in the right direction.
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Jen Stone>> Yeah, I've been enjoying the MAGA Civil War. It's been It's been fun to watch y'all fight with each other. >> I'm sure it has. [ __ ] disinformation leftist scum. >> What do you mean? I watch more rightwing than I do left.
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Andrew Wilson>> I know, but you've been enjoying that manga Civil War, haven't you? I mean, don't people watch >> you sound more like an agent of chaos. I thought Brian was the division guy here and yet here you are. You love watching the chaos. >> I'm literally here telling people to
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Jen Stonestop. >> You're telling them to stop while you're enjoying that manga civil war. >> I'm enjoying watching them come to the conclusion that hey, we're all [ __ ] idiots. >> That's not what's going on. Stop the hate.
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Andrew Wilson>> Most of it's leftist. In fact, a lot of this stuff online, a lot of these supposed manga accounts and [ __ ] it's like Rick 23849728 fucking41 and Rick 22289741-2848
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Andrew Wilsonwho go on and they're like, I voted for Trump and now I regret the vote. And it's like whatever, dude, who made your account 3 weeks ago? >> I'm literally talking about people um like major podcasts um fighting each
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Jen Stoneother. >> Word. I'm not talking about probably fake >> just talking about a few there's a few influencers who are going back and forth >> and then people are like trying to cancel other people and it seems kind of
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Jen Stonewoke of them and it's been uh >> who's trying to cancel >> Ben Shapiro um >> well no the the old >> other people getting mad at putting
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Jen Stone>> the Daily Wire has been hated for years >> and then Nick people trying to yeah Nick Fluentes >> it's not there's no L it's not fluent fluentes Fuentes, whatever. Fuent Fuentes. Fuentes. Fuentes. Nick Fuentes.
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Brian Atlas>> Fuentes. >> Yeah. Fuentes. >> Fuentes. >> Fluentes. >> Uh, we're pretty much at the tail end here. Let me just read the prompts and if you guys want to bite on them. I
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Brian Atlasthink we kind of got to go too, bro. I'm freaking tired. Tomorrow. Yeah. Let's get to the super chats. >> Okay. All right. Well, we'll you guys want to We'll do some super chats then. And unless you >> Yeah, I'm tired. >> All right. Here's what we're going to
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Brian Atlasdo, guys. We'll do I guess we'll we'll call it a roast session. I'm going to lower the TTS to $69. >> Uh if you guys want to get any messages here at the tail end, but yeah, guys, that was an interesting little debate.
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Andrew WilsonUm >> thanks for doing it, by the way. >> Thank you, too. >> And I understand that you're disadvantaged when you're >> my speech, my brain. >> No, not because >> what or because I've never debated. >> No.
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Andrew Wilson>> Okay. when I was early on in debates, I would go up against four or five people. That's not the disadvantage, but >> it's um because in an environment like this
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Andrew Wilson>> where it's like it's two people against you and a lot of your world views, I tried to be very charitable and kind of back off on a lot of the stuff, >> right? Have our engagements and then
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Andrew Wilsonmove it over, right? But generally speaking on this show and on most shows, I prefer 1v1. And so does Brian, by the way. >> The reason this happened today is because specifically it was stated that you wanted >> No, I I didn't.
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Jen Stone>> You >> in the past, but I made it clear. I want to debate Andrew. >> Well, >> and I asked what was going to be discussed and blah blah blah. You literally >> Why did you think that would be a good idea?
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Jen Stone>> What? Debating you? >> Yeah. Is it just for clout? >> No. Have you seen my social media? I don't even post it. Then >> what's the point? Because I literally have a message to I don't give a [ __ ] who you vote for. Just
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Jen Stone>> u platform for your message. >> What do you mean? I'm I'm trying to bring people together and make them realize to look >> You're trying to bring people together while you enjoy the democracy. >> Culture wars are not >> culture wars are not destroying