Andrew Wilson & Brian Atlas vs. 140 IQ Woke Leftist Feminist HATER! | Whatever Debates 24
Date: 2026-02-20
Duration: 5h 17m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Jen Stone(guest)
SPEAKER_03Andrew Wilson(host)
SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:00:17
IntroBrian opens debate introducing Andrew Wilson and Jen Stone. Jen corrects IQ to 143, rejects labels.
00:07:00
Key MomentAndrew begins internal critique of Jen's both-siding approach
00:08:50
QuoteAndrew: 'I do hate leftists... God will punish my soul for it'
00:40:00
Key MomentAndrew catches Jen in contradiction: wants to raise corporate taxes (raises prices) while opposing tariffs (also raises prices)
00:56:00
Key MomentAndrew performs internal critique: Jen can't articulate why everyone should vote beyond 'my heart tells me'
01:32:00
Key MomentBrian outlines selective service position. Jen surprisingly agrees women should have same requirements.
02:05:00
Key MomentAndrew demolishes Jen's theology. She can't explain Acts, denies divinity of Christ.
02:50:00
ControversyJen calls Trump pedo protector. Andrew demands evidence. Jen can't name specific accusers.
03:34:00
AgreementAndrew grants Jen's criticism about Trump's anti-Israel speech stance
04:23:00
Key MomentBrian turns tables: Jen's Instagram promotes grandfather's pseudoscientific ESP/telepathy books
05:00:00
RelationshipJen: 38, single, frozen eggs, body count 10-20 (3 in last 8 years), last relationship 4 years
Topics Discussed
00:00:17
Political Unity Opening
Jen argues both sides fighting for same things. Should unite against corporate corruption.
00:14:00
Immigration and Deportation
Jen wants strong borders but pathway for long-term residents. Andrew argues amnesty undermines rule of law.
00:46:00
Voting Rights and Democracy
Andrew argues democracy is flawed. Jen supports competency tests. Andrew performs internal critique - Jen can't ground why everyone should vote.
01:06:00
Brian's Criticisms of Jen's DMs
Brian reads Jen's harsh messages calling him fake, cancer on society, grifter. Heated meta-conversation.
02:00:00
Christianity, Paul, and Jesus
Jen rejects Paul's epistles, believes in reincarnation, sees Jesus as prophet. Andrew demolishes her theological positions.
02:49:00
Trump, Epstein, Pedo Protector Allegations
Jen calls Trump predator/pedo protector. Andrew demands evidence. Jen can't cite specifics.
04:05:00
Candace Owens and Grifting
Jen accuses Brian of grifting. Brian turns tables by examining her grandfather's pseudoscientific books.
04:59:00
Personal Life Wind-Down
Jen shares dating life, frozen eggs. Brian and Andrew joke about aliens.
Transcript
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01:57:43
SPEAKER_04can yawn like in a >> way to be okay. >> Do I seem like I'm trying to be rude to anybody? Well, yeah. But that that aside, >> well, >> if [laughter] it's a fake yawn, if it's
01:57:54
Andrew Wilsona fake yawn, that's >> I just I just look I just consider it I just consider it trolling. Like, I don't even care. But the thing is is like um >> the the reason that I always bring this
01:58:05
Andrew Wilsonup is because there's all there's just never any good examples ever. Most of the time that uh women are trying to tone and police me is because they're actually saying that I just need to be passive. I'm not allowed to defend myself. I'm not allowed to defend my
01:58:18
Jen Stonefamily. >> That would be Jesus way. I mean, defend yourself, but >> Jesus's way. [laughter] >> Wait, didn't Jesus like throw >> bless that was in the church uh for
01:58:32
Jen Stonetaking money? >> Um that wasn't >> in throwing Yeah. He didn't call everybody. >> Yeah. Can I ask you a question? Um are you aware that at the time of Jesus Christ that if you made a personal
01:58:44
Jen Stoneinsult towards somebody, they would often kill you? Yeah. >> Did Jesus call people vipers? >> Yeah. >> And that's a that's a killable offense. >> Jesus didn't say that though. That's
01:58:56
Jen Stonelike the Old Testament. >> No. What? How could Jesus say that in the Old Testament? >> Show me where without Paul? >> Yeah. >> Let's take Paul. Did he say Did he say to kill them?
01:59:08
Andrew Wilson>> Kill what? >> So what do you say he did he say? Yeah. You said it was a a so insulting. you would get killed for saying it to somebody. People people like you, you live in what's called
01:59:21
Andrew Wilsonpresantism. >> You see, in in common parliament, a lot of the words that we consider to be insulting >> are moderate insults. Ultimately, they're moderate insults like, "You're a
01:59:33
Andrew Wilsonstupid [ __ ] you're an idiot, you're tarded, blah blah blah blah blah blah." Those aren't things people generally kill each other over. In the time of Christ, they did. they would kill you for insulting them and slighting their
01:59:46
Andrew Wilsonhonor or slighting their wife. And oftentimes the law would back them up on this. And so the thing is is like when Jesus would say something like that,
01:59:55
Andrew Wilsonright, that caused so much insult as to cause a person to respond by killing them. And so this idea that
02:00:06
Andrew Wilsontards have that for some reason Jesus who called uh people whitewashed tombs, killable offense. Called them vipers, killable offense. He said that they were hypocrites, killable offense. And by the
02:00:18
Andrew Wilsonway, they ended up they did end up killing him by the way. They did they crucified him. >> And so the thing is is it's like this is is what's called [ __ ] theology. What happens is a bunch of people get got
02:00:30
Andrew Wilsontogether and decided that Jesus was a treehugging hippie. when in fact when you're really speaking truth to power, it's the most insulting thing on planet earth to the powerful. And so what ends
02:00:42
Andrew Wilsonup happening is uh there's this great conflation which happens that uh Jesus was all about hugs and kisses. >> Well, his words were like uh >> except when he was calling people broods of vipers.
02:00:55
Jen Stone>> Can you look that up? >> Sure, look it up. It's in Matthew. Yeah. Uh, no, not calling people vipers, but he said something that did he say it was a killable offense? >> No, no, no. Andrew is saying that back then, uh,
02:01:07
Andrew Wilson>> it was, but Jesus didn't say that. >> Yes, he did. No, no, wait. No, no, no. He was insulting people. He was insulting them by calling them broods of vipers, by calling them whitewashed
02:01:19
Andrew Wilsontombs. These were things which were so insulting people would kill you over them. So, don't tell me Jesus didn't insult people. He gave them the ultimate insults. so insulting that it was a
02:01:30
Jen Stonekillable offense in his time. >> I think saying vipers is talking about people doing like Yeah. e like evil things.
02:01:40
Jen Stone>> No, I I do I do understand it was a killable offense. But >> when you insult a person, do you generally expect that they're going to kill you? >> No, I get exactly what you're saying. I just don't think Yeah. Jesus didn't say
02:01:53
Brian Atlashe was going to kill people. >> No, that that's not what Andrew said. I I know what you're saying. I get that was the time I get >> Andrew's contention is not that Jesus said that that's a killable offense >> that it was at the time. I get it.
02:02:07
Brian Atlas>> But those are two separate things. So what there's what Jesus said and there's the uh social cultural zeitgeist of thousands of years ago. >> Yeah. So why are you calling what Jesus
02:02:19
Jen Stoneactually did say woke and even though it was a different time period? First of all, woke means infantilization. >> Okay, so that was a whole different time period. Why are you using that for modern times? Like it just doesn't make
02:02:31
Andrew Wilsonsense if if you can agree during the time period things were different and the Bible was written because we have context. We have context. And not only do we have context, but I have church history which which has an apostolic
02:02:44
Andrew Wilsonsuccession which goes all the way back to the time of Christ to the original apostles >> which would include Paul. I mean, he wasn't technically an original apostle, was he? Well, >> I'm Oh, sorry. Sorry.
02:02:55
Andrew Wilson>> Did I'm I'm sorry. Are were you aware that Paul w uh hung out with Jesus's apostles? >> Yeah. And a lot of them I'm not sure I
02:03:06
Jen Stonewasn't finished answering. Um Yeah. And a lot of them were very skeptical. Skept skeptical. >> Which ones? >> Um James. Nope. >> Yes, he was. Look it up. Can you look
02:03:19
Jen Stonethat up? >> No. What do you want? They all accepted all they all accepted. >> Eventually they accepted and calling him a brother of of Christ or or whatever. But um did >> he was he was a bishop in Eph what are
02:03:31
Andrew Wilsonyou talking that Paul was the greatest evangelist of all time. Paul set said set up Timothy is a bishop. Paul was in Ephesus. Paul was in Corenth. He and literally apostles backed his place. The
02:03:43
Andrew Wilsonve in Acts few we know we can look in Acts. You can look in Acts at the very first stop. You can look in Acts in the very first ecumenical council. Paul was
02:03:52
Andrew Wilsonlooked to for leadership in fact. So the thing is for that time period for uh for you have no clue what you're talking about. >> You're just arguing to argue. We're getting >> I'm not arguing anything. >> We're getting off topic. Let me bring
02:04:05
Brian AtlasLet me just bring it back then. Um >> yeah, I know you reject Paul. >> Yeah, I reject Paul. But even like James and >> the original thing was your your contention is essentially Jesus was this
02:04:16
Brian Atlaslike hippie tree hugger that never was harsh or >> I just see >> and Andrew saying well actually there's this example where Jesus said you brood the vipers and so that's the origination
02:04:28
Jen StoneI guess moving it on to the back to this >> but people moving moving it on moving on hold on >> I'm about to make my last point >> well I mean >> we're supposed to follow what Jesus told us to do. >> You don't know anything Jesus told us to
02:04:42
Jen Stonedo. >> Literally. >> Wait, are you Christian? >> I actually want to hear one thing that you think Jesus told us to do. >> Love God, love your neighbors. Uh >> follow the love God, love your
02:04:54
Jen Stoneneighbors, follow the commandments. >> Uh I call myself a follower of the way, which means uh the original before uh the >> the Bible >> sometimes before the listen, let me
02:05:06
Jen Stone>> what's the denomination of the church you go to? Protestant. >> Okay. >> I don't have one in >> there. It's not a denomination. It's an allocation. >> Yeah. Okay. I've been to so many a thousand different types of churches. I don't call myself a Christian. I go to church for the community and love of
02:05:20
Jen StoneGod. >> So, you don't even follow Christ. >> I follow Christ. It's a different a follower of the way is the uh >> Jesus tells you the way um which um is
02:05:32
Jen Stonefollowing the commandments to become >> [ __ ] Yeah. I remember I remember reading the way. >> Yeah. So I've tried to become more bring myself more towards
02:05:46
Andrew Wilson>> Was he hot? >> Was he God? >> No. >> No. Jesus is God. >> He was a prophet. >> He's a prophet. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So he's not God. >> No. >> So you deny the divinity of Christ.
02:05:58
Jen Stone>> Can you stop with >> I'm so sorry. I I'm a very >> Do you deny the divinity of Christ? >> Um he is divine. No, I don't. >> How is he divine if he's just a prophet?
02:06:09
Jen Stone>> I mean, he he he's just as divine as like Buddha or [clears throat] I mean, I think it's all the same God with a different dialect and different cultures. >> I don't >> You're spiritual.
02:06:21
Andrew Wilson>> So, it's monism. >> I mean, sort of. I mean, >> not sort of. It just is, right? So, all different denominations have truth. >> No, I wouldn't say all. I just I believe
02:06:31
Andrew Wilsonwhat I believe. I also believe in like reincarnation. I I don't fit whatever. Like don't make fun of me. I'm not making fun of y'all for your beliefs. >> Well, no. The thing is is like I just am
02:06:42
Andrew Wilsonnot going to Here's the thing. Like my position, I don't get or take lectures from non-Christians on Christianity because they don't know what the [ __ ] they're ever talking about.
02:06:52
Jen Stone>> You don't own Jesus. Um Christianity was created after he passed away and people are interpreting in different ways. Um, I follow what he said and I've looked into the history of all of it. Um,
02:07:05
Andrew Wilson>> you have, huh? >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, let's listen. >> Can you just tell me what happened in Acts? >> Yeah. Okay. I don't >> What happened in Acts? Yeah. What happened? Just tell me. You've
02:07:18
Brian Atlasresearched it all. What happened in Acts? >> Well, she wants to look it up on our Why do you need to look it up? I thought she researched it. >> Can I Can I Yeah. Yeah, I don't I don't think I think it's almost more of a rhetorical question in the sense that >> I know I know it's rhetorical question. >> I don't think he actually has an
02:07:32
Jen Stoneinterest in >> but can I just give you the list of what Paul said compared to Jesus and how I Yeah. >> Oh, the Pauline contradictions the supposed Pauline contradictions. Really?
02:07:43
Andrew WilsonThat's what you came equipped with? >> That's what you came equipped with was the supposed Pauline contradictions? Really? >> Okay, we can go through them if you want. You can't even tell me what
02:07:52
Andrew Wilsonhappened in Acts. in Acts there was like the on the hill there's um >> Can I >> got me >> man that's why I don't ever listen to
02:08:04
Jen Stonenon-Christians about Christianity ever >> I shouldn't you listen to Shut shouldn't you listen to Jesus above anything else instead of Paul
02:08:14
Jen Stone>> well here's the thing that's funny is like um did Jesus himself write anything >> no but he told he told us exactly what to you and his disciples. And who becomes a disciple? >> Did he appear to his disciples?
02:08:27
Jen Stone>> Disciples need witness. >> Did he appear to his disciples post death? >> Yeah. >> Okay. And is that true? >> Yeah. >> Okay, great. Then why couldn't he appear to Paul?
02:08:38
Andrew Wilson>> Um I think that Paul um >> that's not my question. My question is why couldn't he appear to Paul if he appeared to these other disciples? Why not? >> Cuz he wasn't a disciple. [laughter] >> Why couldn't he appear to Paul?
02:08:50
Andrew Wilson>> He could. >> Okay. So then he could, right? Paul's on the road to Damascus, right? Jesus makes an appearance. Is that correct? >> Um, if you think it's Jesus, he >> This is verified by other apostles who
02:09:03
Andrew Wilsontested him. >> They had power given to them by Christ, didn't they? >> Cuz he went to each of them post death. But you know better. What do they know? They were just his apostles.
02:09:15
Jen Stone>> Well, they first of all, I they were still human. And I think Paul is a test because Jesus warned us ahead of the time that there would be fake apostles. And he told us exactly.
02:09:26
Jen Stone>> Mhm. >> He he warned us in several different statements that there would be heresies and fake apostles. Um and even committed people.
02:09:37
Jen Stone>> What was Paul's name? >> Paulos. Um Saul was the original. >> And and what did he do? Do you remember? >> Murdered a bunch of Christians. [laughter] >> What did he do? What do you mean for work? >> His job. Yeah.
02:09:50
Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. I don't know that. >> You don't know. >> You don't know anything about the very >> I just told you his name is S. What do you mean? I don't I don't know what all >> you don't know anything about the
02:10:02
Andrew Wilsoncontext of the very thing it is that you're talking about. Which is why I never listen to lectures about Christianity. >> You have to know what someone did for a living. >> Checkmate. Checkmate. >> You have to know what someone did. very
02:10:14
Andrew Wilsonimportant especially especially with Paul to see how Paul's beginnings >> right changed into something far more humble when he became a tent maker afterwards and this is why in fact they
02:10:25
Andrew Wilsontried to drive Paul out what you're talking about there were there were fake apostles they were called super apostles and they tried to drive Paul out that's what happened and he had to go and put a
02:10:37
Andrew Wilsonstop to that that literally happened and the thing that's so funny is like you don't know any of that you don't know any of the You don't know what happened with the cult of Artemis. You don't know what happened with any of the Pauline doctrine. None of you ever do. You just
02:10:49
Jen Stonego Paul said mean [ __ ] that I don't like. That means that Jesus is not a >> hipp to what what Jesus said. I I don't think Paul meant bad, but like >> I don't Does that mean everything he
02:11:03
Jen Stoneever says is going to be >> I got to redirect the conversation. I got redirected a little bit. >> Yeah. I'm just saying that if if it goes against what Jesus Christ told us and the way he said >> we don't even know what Jesus Christ told us.
02:11:14
Andrew Wilson>> So I did you don't know anything about the Bible. Just stop. It's embarrassing. >> I think you're a little bit out of the wheelhouse just a teeny bit. >> Andrew is a Christian. Andrew is an Orthodox Christian. He's
02:11:28
Brian Atlas>> This is why I wanted you to debate James toler >> but I I don't think you have the a strong theological foundation like an understanding. I'm I'm just telling you >> effectively participate in this.
02:11:38
Jen Stone>> I'm a redlininer. If you follow red line Christianity, read what Jesus said. >> You believe in reincarnation and >> Jesus >> Jesus believes in >> red line Christianity is
02:11:51
Jen Stone>> I don't know what that is to be honest. >> It it's it highlights what Jesus actually said in comparing it to what's actually in >> here. I got the Bible. Red line is way different than modern Christianity. Yeah, we
02:12:02
Andrew Wilson>> Well, let me ask you a question about what Jesus said. Just last question. >> What does John 1:1 say? >> I don't have all this memorized. >> No, this is important because you you denied the divinity of Christ. What's
02:12:14
Andrew WilsonJohn 11:1 say? >> Um, God like some probably. >> Does John himself say that Jesus Christ is the word? And in the beginning, hang
02:12:26
Andrew Wilsonon. And in the beginning there was the word. And who was the word with? Was >> who was the word with in the beginning? >> I don't know. >> The word was with God. And who was Hang on. And who was the word?
02:12:39
Andrew Wilson>> Jesus. >> No, the word was God. The word was God. In the beginning, there was the word and the word was with God. And the word was God. >> Yeah. He's speaking from Yeah. >> If Jesus is the word,
02:12:52
Andrew Wilson>> he is the word >> and he is and the word is God. Then what is Jesus? By the transitive properties >> we all have. And hang on. I'm going to ask the question. I want the answer.
02:13:02
Andrew Wilson>> If it's the case that Jesus is the word and the word is God by the transitive properties of this statement, what would that make Jesus?
02:13:13
Jen Stone>> He's speaking from Yeah. He He has God's message to to send. Like he he >> never said he was >> Jesus is the word. >> He's speaking God's words. >> John, he said, "Okay, first of all, this
02:13:27
Brian Atlasis crazy, >> dude. Just I I haven't slept well. I've not slept well. >> Just explain it to me then. >> Today to do the debate.
02:13:36
Brian Atlas>> He flew in today. He's his nicotine. >> I told you that I'm not a Bible expert. >> Well, then what? Just let me move it on then. >> I want to move it on. >> I'm trying to move it on, but you want
02:13:47
Andrew Wilsonyou want to get the final word. >> Okay. All right. Did you >> I never claimed to be I never claimed to be a biblical scholar. Look, I'm not trying to say you're a biblical scholar, right? I wouldn't have even brought it here.
02:14:01
Andrew Wilson>> That's been established. >> The problem The problem comes I'm not a biblical scholar, okay? But the problem comes in >> I don't have it memorized. >> The problem comes in I don't have Look, I'm not asking you to memorize anything.
02:14:13
Andrew WilsonWhat I'm saying to you is this. The reason that I don't listen to heresychristian.com and heresychristians who try to tell me what Jesus would do in any given situation, use that as their baseline
02:14:26
Andrew Wilsonfor criticism, is because they don't know [ __ ] anything about what they're talking about. They don't know anything about the New Testament. They don't know how it was put together, why it was put together. >> They don't know any Hang on. Because
02:14:37
Andrew Wilsonthey don't know anything. >> I don't listen to their criticisms using that as the foundation for criticism. If you had used something else, we would perhaps be getting into that. But you didn't. You said, "I'm going to
02:14:50
Brian Atlascriticize you for the baseline of the Bible that you don't know anything about." >> I've actually just because I don't have it memorized. >> Stop. Andrew had the final word on that. Okay, let me let me finish up some more
02:15:02
Brian Atlasof this and hopefully we can get to some something more. Um, okay. Really quick, touching on this very briefly. Uh again going back to the premise of my show
02:15:11
Brian Atlaslonel male loneliness epidemic uh you you your position is my viewer base is incelss there there are incelss who can't get laid just curious uh I think
02:15:23
Jen Stoneit is fair to ask when is the last time that you got laid >> first of all I don't think the majority of you are incelss and I said that because when
02:15:34
Jen Stone>> you think the majority of my audience is incel losers basically >> who never get laid. Which >> the people who are saying rude [ __ ] in their comments who watch you religiously and >> what tell tell people that women that
02:15:47
Jen Stonethey shouldn't be a able to have the right to vote while they're trying to bang them at the same time. I think that would kind of put them in the incel category. >> Why would Hold on. Words need to have meaning. Insult stands for involuntarily celibate.
02:15:58
Andrew Wilson>> When they're becoming an insult if they're coming at women like that, >> but why should we even believe that that's true? >> What do you mean? Why should we believe that there's men in your DMs who are trying to date you and telling you? >> Yeah.
02:16:11
Andrew Wilson>> Okay. >> I want to see the actual context. Yeah, I do. I do want to see the actual context behind. >> Hey, I want to date you and take your right to vote away. I want the context there. >> Okay. >> By the way, I I took a poll of my
02:16:24
Jen Stoneaudience and they're just >> I don't care. >> They're definitely not insult. They're just >> I don't think they're insults. I'm I'm saying when you go about things a certain way and make things mainstream that aren't and they're trying to date
02:16:36
Brian Atlasyou and they're saying [ __ ] like that then you're kind of narrowing the dating >> because a handful of men by the way my live streams colle like >> I'm not talking about everybody
02:16:47
Brian Atlas>> can you stop interrupting please can can you stop okay so even if it's true that a handful of men sent you DMs and it originated from my
02:16:59
Brian Atlasaudience the total viewership just for the live streams. You know, typically after 30 days, we receive about 200,000 views total on my live streams. So, let's even
02:17:10
Brian Atlassay a dozen people DMs you. I don't think that that would be representative of the viewer base, not even factoring in the hundreds of millions of monthly views we get across our clips. Uh, so I
02:17:23
Jen StoneI mean, I I don't understand. I know I'm talking about a certain type that um maybe clings on to that a little bit too seriously. Um I don't think the
02:17:35
Brian Atlasmajority of them are like that. >> Okay. All right. Well, I don't know why. It's interesting. You made a criticism multiple times throughout the show about labeling. Yet in your messages to me,
02:17:46
Brian Atlasyou wanted to label my viewers as incelss and that my show uh that that I or perhaps Andrew were spewing garbage that makes women repulsed by men. >> Yeah.
02:18:00
Jen Stone>> Uh >> I I was talking about exactly what I was going on in my dating life with it. >> Right. But people who DM you wouldn't necessarily be represented. >> I just said that the majority of them are great, nice people. I'll pass on
02:18:14
Jen Stonethat. Um, >> I I still talk to I still talk to a lot of them. I'm I'm hanging out with one of them in in the next month. >> So then it sounds like it's a very effective dating strategy. >> I told it was just his friends. I told him I told him. >> Oh yeah. Well, it's just >> just as friends.
02:18:27
Brian Atlas>> Just just as >> Yeah. [laughter] >> I straight up told him uh somebody in the whatever audience is having a one-on-one rendevous with you. >> W whatever podcast there. There it is.
02:18:41
Brian AtlasYeah, I straight up said I straight up told him like if we do hang out like legit like it's just friends. >> Yeah, he's coming into town and I said, "Okay, cool." >> I mean, my advice to you is I mean,
02:18:51
Brian Atlaseverybody who watches my shows is a um >> an incel who's getting danger. Why would I still be talking to these dudes if I thought they were like bad people? I like >> the majority of them. Oh god.
02:19:04
Jen Stone>> Bumble. Maybe maybe you could go out. >> It's so horrible. No. >> Don't you live in Austin? Aren't there a bunch of >> I don't even date. I totally >> Maybe you should go to an anti-ICE protest and you can try to find a guy there. I'm not trying to find a guy. Just be clear. Sometimes
02:19:17
Brian Atlas>> I'm not trying to find a deal. >> Okay, but sometimes you don't have to respond to like everything I say. But anyways, um Okay, moving off of the incel thing. I do to be fair. Uh >> there are some just admit. >> Sure. Sure. Sure. That's who I was
02:19:31
SPEAKER_04talking about. >> I don't think you have any evidence as to the makeup of my audience. I think that there's there's feminists who have incelss in their chat. >> So, it's when I >> actually probably more. Yeah. >> Can I respond? It's when I watch like it
02:19:43
Brian Atlaslive and you see the chats coming in. It's It's >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Really quick, though. So, YouTube comments, Twitch, or Well, I'll just stick to YouTube. YouTube comments, YouTube live
02:19:54
Brian Atlaschat. Even prior to me ever starting the whatever podcast, you could you could go watch a baking video and the YouTube
02:20:02
Brian Atlascomments uh YouTube has a reputation the comment section for being like [ __ ] awful even for content that is not perhaps as controversial as the whatever
02:20:15
Brian Atlaspodcast. You could like you know well you see a gaming video the comments are like insane. You you could look at any video and the comment section is pretty
02:20:25
Brian Atlaswild. Live chat even more wild. So I don't think that's anything representative of the whatever podcast necessarily. That's what I'm talking about. That's just the the climate
02:20:36
Andrew Wilsononline YouTube comments. [clears throat] >> And let's face it, that shit's fun. Like half that shit's fun for people to go. Like people like to go and they like to
02:20:47
Andrew Wilsonvent. They like to talk their little [ __ ] in comments because it's Yeah, cuz it's fun. And here's the thing. I don't think you're above that. I bet you've been in YouTube comments and talked your little [ __ ] before.
02:20:58
Brian Atlas>> She called me a [ __ ] A little [ __ ] No, little [ __ ] By the way, you said some very mean things about Andrew, which I'm holding for a little bit. But I guess moving on here. In any case,
02:21:08
Brian Atlas>> then later I undid my response and said, "Okay, we'll get to it. Uh, you don't have any evidence as to the makeup of my audience. Um, I'd prefer you debate the
02:21:18
Brian Atlasactual points, not like do a caricature of what you think my audience is. You don't have to Hey, you don't have to respond to everything. It's okay. It's okay. I'm moving it on. Uh, you know, it's funny cuz a lot of the a lot of the
02:21:31
Andrew Wilsonwhatever, like if you're if you're talking about hardcore fans versus like random viewers, things like this, I would tar it. So, I would always say you're not going to monolith an entire audience of hundreds of thousands
02:21:43
Andrew Wilsonbecause that's the audience base, right? Some of them are in the live chat. Probably before this is done, maybe close to 70 80,000 who come through the live chat. Um, and then you have people
02:21:55
Andrew Wilsonwho just watch videos and like it's it's all over the place. So, you would have to tar it. But, I've been in the whatever Discord and I've been where like the fans hang out and stuff like
02:22:05
Andrew Wilsonthat. A lot of them are married, right? And and surprisingly, there's a lot of women, >> lot of women, >> a lot of women who are like who are like, we really, you know, they they consider women watch the show because
02:22:17
Andrew Wilsonthey consider it a human interest piece. They're watching for totally different reasons than the show. I I love the show. >> Yeah, of course. Because because you're interested in probably what makes people tick, what makes you tick, what makes you think like you think.
02:22:29
Jen Stone>> No, you you all have a lot of good views. I just uh the sometimes >> Am I Am I an incel? Do you think I'm so? >> No. >> Yes. >> Not at all. >> So [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] >> No, I'm I'm talking about that one type of people that
02:22:42
Brian Atlas>> that DM. >> It's It's kind of like the like >> Well, that's a great modern Bailey. So, at first it's Brian, your audience, all your intel homeboys. Oh, no. Actually, it's just like the dozen men who DM'd me.
02:22:53
Brian Atlas>> If if I got into detail, if I got into detail, [laughter] >> if I got into detail, >> is he going to crack? Does he is he going to crack, you think? Or >> crack about what? >> Never mind. Um, sorry. >> Anyways, mov this dude's gonna show up and he's gonna
02:23:08
Jen Stoneframe mom. >> He's gonna insult Max. >> Totally. >> Um, yeah. I just don't think it's good for society for us to literally make fun of each other all the time. And it's it's not everyone on the show. >> You called me. >> That's a very feminine view, too. By the way,
02:23:21
Andrew Wilson>> what >> just the the idea of like everybody should be nice to each other. We should all really rally around the things we agree on versus what we disagree on. Things like that. You know, men don't
02:23:31
Andrew Wilsonactually think that way very often. Uh often times, in fact, the the way that men get along best is when they're roasting each other. When they're hard on each other, they roast each other. >> When they're hang on, when they're awful
02:23:43
Andrew Wilsonto each other, they don't even actually consider a lot of that to be anything other than what's considered pure bonding. And it's a very feminine view. Uh and women have it all the time that
02:23:54
Andrew Wilsonmen need to act like women. And part of the whole coming together thing and this type of stuff uh inside of a political frame usually comes from a feminine view. Men seem to be much more understanding of the fact that there's
02:24:06
Andrew Wilsongoing to be political tribalism and that it's a fight for dominance and power. That's what politics actually is. It's not actually about coming together at all. It's about imposing your views on
02:24:17
Jen Stonesociety. >> Brian, I I hang out with mostly dudes a lot of the time. Um calling you that doesn't make you one though. That doesn't make you say it. Hold on. Moving it on. Uh, what?
02:24:29
Jen Stone>> It wasn't like a serious like you're evil message. Like, no. >> Well, hold on. We'll get into that. What garbage am I spewing? >> Um, I don't think you're spewing garbage. It's more of that >> you wrote it.
02:24:41
Jen Stone>> You said I was spewing garbage. Oh, it's Andrew who spews the garbage. >> I've told multiple times that it's >> That's fair. >> I've I've never said you have things. Yeah.
02:24:55
Brian AtlasYou you um you wrote here the whole show's premise blah blah blah. You're but you're spewing garbage that makes women repulsed by men.
02:25:06
Jen Stone>> The garbage it would be like the the voting him. Yeah. And the things he says that women find repulsive. Um it's not anything you say. Your views I would say
02:25:18
Brian Atlasare very based. It's sometimes the way he goes about things that make women repulse. I guess. So, um, Smoky Man is indeed bad. >> Is there anything besides the voting
02:25:28
Brian Atlasthat you would consider spewing garbage? >> Um, yeah, I talk the stuff about propaganda, >> women being more um >> easily a study that actually demonstrated this
02:25:43
Andrew Wilsonwould >> I looked it up. >> Mhm. >> There I haven't seen anything. >> Oh, well, but there is. >> I've I've looked up all of this. Is there what one study, >> Andrew? What is the position? >> No, there's there's actually a lot.
02:25:55
Andrew Wilson>> I looked it up. I didn't find anything. >> You I'll demonstrate it to you very simply, actually. So, can I ask you a question? Out of men and women, who do you think are the largest retail consumers?
02:26:07
Andrew Wilson>> Women. >> And so, if you have a corporation, you're running advertisements for a product. If it was the case that men responded better to the advertisements than women,
02:26:19
Andrew Wilsonwho would you tailor the ads for? men, but they they're not doing that. >> And who do they tailor? No. No. In fact, because it is the case that women are so much easier
02:26:32
Andrew Wilsonto make women buy than it is to make men buy because they're much easier to propagandize. By the way, there are tons and tons of studies about this. You can go to Rachel Wilson, my wife's Substack, and she cites a lot of this. I don't
02:26:44
Andrew Wilsonremember what the article was called, but I'm sure that she can DM Brian and we can get it over to you. But she's talked about especially uh consumer the consumer idealism and the fact that
02:26:56
Andrew Wilsonwomen are specifically targeted by corporations and things like this because it's so easy to sell them [ __ ] because of their emotional responses to advertisements. >> Okay. >> Like who was the arms of the angel with
02:27:08
Andrew Wilsonthe little dogs for? You know like when when Sarah is that her name? Sarah Mlan McGlin when she's like in the arms of the angel. Is that Is that Hang on. Is
02:27:20
Andrew Wilsonthat for men or are they trying to make women open their [ __ ] purse and send a bunch of money in because they're like, "Oh my god. Oh, oh, it's this. Oh,
02:27:31
Andrew Wilsonthis really gets my heart." >> But aren't women more in charge of like buying things for the family and stuff like that? So, >> now here's the thing that's interesting. >> It doesn't seem act that >> that's a great argument and it's one
02:27:43
Andrew Wilsonleftist women often make, but it falls short. And here's why. It is true that women generally will buy for the household, right? Groceries and things like that. But we can adjust for those
02:27:54
Jen Stonethings by looking at luxury goods and luxury items. And who do you think buys more of those? >> The guys are buying it for sugar >> for sugar babies.
02:28:06
Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. I I I don't I don't like Yeah. >> No, hang on. I'm just I'm just going to ask you directly again. Who do you think's buying all these uh luxury items for the home? Can we look up that cuz I think there's a bunch of dumb dudes doing that too.
02:28:18
Andrew Wilson>> No, >> it's of course men buy do it to try to impress the the women. >> I'm not telling you that men don't buy luxury items. I'm asking you which sex is buying the most of them.
02:28:31
Andrew Wilson>> Um I'd say women, but the dudes are paying for it. >> Well, no. What's going on? Even if that was the case, so what? Even if that was the case that men paid for it because they wanted access to sex or something
02:28:43
Andrew Wilsonlike this, the advertisements are still going to the more easily propagandized sex. That's women. >> I don't think it's the more easily
02:28:52
Jen Stonepropaganda. It's really [clears throat] uh for middle class people who want to feel rich. Um rich people don't buy that [ __ ] I don't think it's really based
02:29:03
Andrew Wilsonoff sex. It's like, >> no, we're talking about even poor people >> who are buying luxury items. >> The study I mean if the study would change my mind Rachel Wilson's
02:29:12
Jen Stonepropaganda or not propaganda [laughter] her her uh her substack on female propaganda. >> I mean I would love to to read that but
02:29:22
Jen Stonepolitically I would uh argue that uh y'all were kind of duped um the conservative side. >> Conservatives overall. Oh, no. D No,
02:29:34
Brian Atlasdudes. I think dudes were more duped with the last vote. I don't even care. >> So, wait, is it equal in terms of who's prone to propaganda? Is it equal between men and women? Is it men more prone or
02:29:45
Brian Atlasis it women more prone? >> I think it's um same but different ways. >> Who question really quick question on this? Uh in terms of appealing to emotion, who's more prone to that? Men or women?
02:29:57
Brian Atlas>> Women. >> Okay. And can propaganda be an effective way of appealing to emotion? >> Of course,
02:30:07
Jen Stonethat's not the only thing distinction of earlier political propaganda. I'd say I'm not saying >> Yeah, I'd say that. Um, >> well, when it comes to all this
02:30:19
Andrew Wilson>> dudes got duped when it comes to Trump is what I'm saying. >> Okay. Well, we're right about to get into that. So, I guess >> she sent it she sent it over. Rachel did for Substack. Okay. And here's the excerpt. Women often show stronger positive
02:30:32
Andrew Wilsonresponses, higher trust, better attitudes towards the ad brand, and greater behavioral intent to emotional advertising, especially empathy, sadness, rational appeals, than men. Men
02:30:42
Andrew Wilsonprefer to respond better to rational, factual humor, things like this. Uh, yeah. So, I mean, yes, >> I don't disagree. >> Yes, they are 100%
02:30:54
Andrew Wilson>> more [laughter] Yes, they are. I mean, >> research indicates women exhibit more favorable attitudes and trust towards brands using emotional content, while men may suppress emotional responses due
02:31:04
Jen Stoneto social desiraability or stereotypes. >> Like, where did that we buy [ __ ] or whatever? Um, but y'all y'all got Trump elected and fell for a lot of lies.
02:31:16
Jen Stone>> So, no women voted for Trump. >> Um, they did. >> What lies What lies did they fall for? Um the America first [ __ ] no more wars. Um the economy. >> Where's the wars? >> The Epstein files.
02:31:28
Jen Stone>> Where's the wars? >> Well, bombing Iran. >> Is that a war? >> I think when they say America first, they mean literally. >> That's not my question. Is that a war? >> Um not technically, but they're getting ready for
02:31:40
Jen Stone>> new wars. >> Lots of bombings, lots of money. The whole point of America. >> Is there any new wars? Technically, no. Okay. The money spent,
02:31:53
Andrew Wilsonthe bombing, all of that, that is what America first is. No one wanted that. No one asked for that. >> Uhhuh. But Trump said he wasn't going to engage America in new wars and then went and made sure that to not engage America
02:32:06
Jen Stonein new wars. >> Yeah. Um that's that's [ __ ] >> Okay. Which new war? >> I didn't say that. No, I'm saying him the people saying, "Oh, I have to fight someone to prevent fighting someone." That's propaganda they've been using forever for
02:32:19
Jen Stone>> Okay, but what does that have to do with no new wars? >> Um, literally not [clears throat] getting involved and [ __ ] that we don't belong. >> There's no new wars under Trump. There's none. [sighs]
02:32:30
Jen Stone>> That's just a that's just a typical talking point. >> America first, meaning don't get involved in foreign [ __ ] that we have nothing to do with. >> And Trump has mostly focused on domestic
02:32:41
Andrew Wilsonpolicy, especially illegal immigration >> like other than immigration. What you mean? One of the major campaign promises that he did. >> Yeah. And then he's >> I know he's what a terrible [ __ ] guy.
02:32:53
Jen StoneNo new wars and he focused on illegal immigration. >> Did he tell everyone ahead of time that they were going to wear masks with no identification? Shoot people in the face. No. >> You mean hang on with when it comes to ICE, right?
02:33:07
Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. >> Yeah. His base is not upset by ICE. >> Can you look that up? >> Yeah, you can look up. You can look, you can look up the divide. >> I've looked it up. The majority of all people, >> we're talking about his base. How does
02:33:20
Andrew WilsonMAGA respond? >> The 37% that still like him. >> Yeah, his base. His base responds very favorably to what's going on with ICE. >> Okay, so like a third of the population.
02:33:33
Andrew Wilson>> And by the way, here's the thing. The susceptibility of propaganda is a fun one. You'll find the divide is once again mostly along sex lines. I'm so
02:33:43
Andrew Wilsonstunned. I'm so shocked that women get very emotional by the fact that you're going to have to, if you're actually enforcing the immigration policy of your country, separate families like Joe Biden did. >> That's okay.
02:33:55
Andrew Wilson>> Like Joe Biden did. And where the [ __ ] were they? You're going to have to You're going to have to utilize your federal assets in order to remove illegal immigrants just like Biden did. The only difference is these [ __ ]
02:34:06
Jen Stoneweren't out there when Biden was doing that or when Biden was doing He wasn't allowing mask people. Can let Can >> I Yes, they were allowing masked people. What are you talking about?
02:34:16
Jen Stone>> Joe Biden had ice not like face masks for CO but literally to cover their identity and won't respond with >> but when asked to identify yourself like cops are supposed to do law enforcement.
02:34:29
Andrew WilsonThey won't. They're coming out of vans and masks people down the street going into houses without judicial warrants. Okay, first of all, that's because leftists will dox their entire family
02:34:41
Andrew Wilsonand begin harassment campaigns against their [ __ ] families. >> That doesn't put them above the law, does it? >> First of all, they're not Nobody's saying they're above the law. But guess what? >> That is above the law. That's against the law. >> No, it's not against the law. Show me
02:34:53
Andrew Wilsonthe law. >> Every They're the only >> I just had this debate with Brian Shapiro. Guess what we found out? Uh >> they have to identify themselves, which they don't. >> No,
02:35:04
Andrew Wilson>> literally. So, yeah. federal federal officers only in some circumstances have to do that. That's one. >> The second that you need to look at is the protocols for their safety,
02:35:15
Andrew Wilson>> right? Safety is what matters here. >> If it's the case that a bunch of leftists are going to dox your entire family, put it on private websites and then public websites, which they were
02:35:27
Andrew Wilsondoing, and funding it from leftist organizations, and then they would harass the [ __ ] out of these guys' families. Yeah. I'd hide my [ __ ] identity, too. Well, there's also you want me to look something up? >> Yeah, but there's also the
02:35:39
Brian Atlas>> Well, real fast. >> You asked me to look it up. Let me just give it real quick. >> But there's also the safety of the people matter. >> Okay. There is no federal law requiring agents to not wear masks. California did
02:35:50
Brian Atlasquite a bit later or I guess recently they passed a no secret police act to ban federal agents from wearing masks under news that conceal their identity while on duty. But that's just
02:36:01
Jen StoneCalifornia and that's very recent. I know that I I said identifying yourself. I said not to identify themselves when asked. >> I can look that up. >> That's what I was talking about. Can I take a break? I'm sorry. Uniform.
02:36:14
Jen Stone>> Anyone can have a fake uniform. There's literally been people arrested. >> People are rolling up in tanks with fake unifor. >> Someone got arrested for impersonating a cop. >> People got impersonating cops. Yes. >> So yeah, I think it's important to have
02:36:25
Andrew Wilsonmore than just a mask and an ice. Oh, they they need to wear no masks and get doxed by leftists and have their families harassed if they're enforcing the laws of the United States. Brilliant plan. >> Yeah, because they're causing violent
02:36:37
Andrew Wilsonsituations are happen. You're saying it's illegal though. >> No, no, >> the leftists are the ones causing the violent situation. They're the ones surrounding federal buildings and
02:36:50
Andrew Wilsoncommitting violent acts and doing everything they can to agitate federal officers. That's what leftists are doing. Tell me this. Why is it that local police officers inside of these
02:37:01
Andrew Wilsonvarious leftist states won't deploy the local police departments to these federal buildings in order to maintain peace and security? It's because the [ __ ] governors of these states and the local mayors of these states give
02:37:13
Andrew Wilsonthem standown orders so that the feds have to deal with them knowing the feds aren't trained to do that. And so what they're doing is they're sparking incidences on purpose. And that's
02:37:22
Jen Stone[ __ ] leftist. No, I mean, but ICE is um like cops are supposed to like if if someone's irritated, what do they call it? The um sorry, my dyslexia brain. Um
02:37:33
Jen Stonethey're supposed to instead of causing more anger, they're supposed to uh deescalate deescalate. Yeah, they're supposed to delay. >> Then have the trained local police do their [ __ ] job. Stop telling
02:37:44
Jen Stone>> us better. Like the people is not designed to do riot control. >> It's not about riots. Yes, it is. The people who got killed weren't involved in riots. They went they went up to them. >> [ __ ] laced them in the face, got on
02:37:57
Jen Stonetop. >> Both of those shootings. >> No, both of those shootings was confrontations at protest where these people were going out. >> You go up to someone who's just standing there and but they went up to him. >> First of all, Renee was blocking off the
02:38:09
Brian Atlas[ __ ] road. She was told to move. She refused. She hit an ice agent. She got shot >> moving. >> Yeah. She went into a [ __ ] ice agent for moving. >> No, no, no. Well, hold on. You're you're
02:38:20
Brian Atlasforgetting the part where they initially they they wanted her to get out of the road, but then she was blocking the road and then there the there was I mean there were a couple different agents. He
02:38:30
Brian Atlaswas approaching her and he said to exit the vehicle. He was giving her a lawful order to exit the vehicle. Once you're being detained by law enforcement, you don't get to leave anymore. She was being detained,
02:38:42
Andrew Wilson>> but you also [clears throat] don't don't get to shoot them in the face. The more that Alex though, they came up to him. He was just standing there. >> No, the opposite. He went towards the officers after they had moved a woman back who they were. He moved towards the
02:38:56
Andrew Wilsonofficers. >> All he did was shield her from mace. He didn't go up to them to >> guess what? You're not allowed to interfere. You're not allowed to interfere with federal. You're not allowed to interfere with cops in the middle of doing their job. >> A death sentence.
02:39:09
Jen Stone>> Well, here's the thing. Don't resist then >> and you won't get killed. >> He got mace in the face. Six people attacked him. Um Don't get involved >> while they were like breaking ribs and punching them in the face. >> You know what would have stopped all of
02:39:23
Andrew Wilsonthat? >> You know what stops resisting is not beating someone else. >> What stops all of that? If you just let the ICE go get the illegals and throw them out like they're supposed to. >> I've got to pee really bad. >> But no, we can't do that because that's mean. >> I just think they should get better
02:39:35
Brian Atlastraining and there should be consequences. But my question is before these two incidences, the the two killings uh occurred,
02:39:44
Brian Atlas>> I guess the the genesis of what hap what was happening there was is that these ICE officers were conducting
02:39:54
Brian Atlaslawful investigations. They were doing like there was there's no the baseline there were they were protesting their baseline law enforcement activity which was apprehending illegal immigrants, right? Is that fair to say?
02:40:08
Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Um, yeah. >> So, so like Renee Good and Well, I guess Alex Petty that happened after Renee Good. So, you could argue he was he was in the streets because he was upset about Renee Good. In any case, you would
02:40:20
Brian Atlasyou acknowledge that prior uh prior to Renee Good, she was she was upset with their lawful conduct, which was apprehending illegal immigrants. So, why was she interfering?
02:40:31
Jen Stone>> Yeah. But why was she interfering with lawful uh law enforcement operations? I mean, I think because of see like Obama deported a [ __ ] ton of people, right? It's completely political. No, I
02:40:44
Jen Stonethink it's the way they're going about it. >> No. What's the difference? >> The the mass the chasing >> they had mass then because >> they didn't chase people down the street. I'm going to tell you right now, they didn't chase brown people down the
02:40:55
Andrew Wilsonstreet. They didn't arrest people from the works that were citizens. Even though they >> Oh my god, this is crazy. I grew up in California. Home Depot got raided constantly by ICE. When I was a kid, they were getting
02:41:08
Andrew Wilsonraided by ICE. Here's how it used to work. You'd go pull up in front of a Home Depot. >> You'd pull Yeah. And you'd pull up in front of a Home Depot and you go >> against it. >> Yeah. You'd go three like
02:41:18
Andrew Wilson>> SWAT teams wear masks, too. They would go three and three Mexicans would jump in the back. You take them, they do your day labor, and you drop them back off in front of the Home Depot by 5. That's how things people used to do things all the
02:41:30
Andrew Wilsontime. ICE knew all about that. They would go do raids on Home Depot. They would do raids in department stores. They do raids at taco. Hell, when I was
02:41:37
Andrew Wilsona kid, they did a massive task force um raid on tons and tons and tons of burger joints like McDonald's and Taco Bell and [ __ ] And we couldn't get hamburgers for
02:41:49
Andrew Wilsonlike a week because they arrested all the employees. Nobody gave a [ __ ] Nobody gave a [ __ ] They only give a [ __ ] now because it's Trump and that
02:41:58
Jen Stonemeans it's fascism. Um, I think the whole masks and not and not providing information proof that they actually are who they like people are like it's >> Wait, can I ask you a question? Would
02:42:10
Brian Atlasthere be a need for these ICE agents to wear masks if there wasn't a foundational objection from the left to the baseline enforcement objectives that
02:42:21
Brian Atlasthey're trying to see out. So, that's just apprehending illegal immigrants. The issue is is that the left has an issue with the foundational uh operational procedures of ICE, which is
02:42:32
Brian Atlaslawful and legitimate and valid uh immigration enforcement. So, it's just an escalation. So, it's like, okay, you have ICE who's trying to enforce immigration law. Leftists don't like it.
02:42:44
Brian AtlasThey're trying to dox these people, ruin their reput reputation, follow them around while they're conducting lawful operation. Then ICE is like, "Wow, these people are like basically trying to
02:42:55
Brian Atlasinterfere with us and uh dox us and find our family and our children. We need to now put in place these things to uh protect our family." And then and then
02:43:05
Brian Atlasyou're now using that as further justification to continue your essential uh bullying of what is otherwise lawful immigration enforcement. Well, um, can I explain?
02:43:16
Brian Atlas>> Do you do you think if question started off in mask? They didn't start wearing masks. Question for you. If there if everybody in the country was like 100%
02:43:26
Brian Atlasokay with the immigration uh efforts being undertaken by law enforcement, would there be a need for ICE to wear masks? >> No. But like uh >> but why do they wear masks?
02:43:38
Brian Atlas>> Because people don't agree. But um doc mean everything. >> No, no, no. Not just that they don't agree. What are the actions that these uh like agitators >> they're doxing? But doxing doesn't mean
02:43:48
Brian Atlasanything if you're being legal. Like if if if you're being fully transparent and letting people know actually what's going on instead of hiding yourself. >> There's videos of them saying, "Hey, we're about to apprehend a child
02:44:00
Brian Atlasrapist." And there's literally the activists are like, "I don't care." Uh there's videos of this. They say, "I don't care. We don't care." Even if you're apprehending uh people who are like child predators, they're like, "We
02:44:13
Jen Stonedon't care. We just don't like that you're you're part of immigration enforcement." >> Well, yeah, they're dumb. They They need to let them do their jobs. >> They ran. >> But I They need to let them do their jobs. >> If they let them do their job,
02:44:24
SPEAKER_04>> do it without a mask. They need to need for them to wear their masks if they allowed them to uh do their job. Do do you realize they were creating apps? >> Obama like he he deported way more
02:44:35
Andrew Wilsonpeople. >> It wasn't political. This is political. >> They didn't wear masks. >> It wasn't political. There was no resistance to it. >> The the ICE officers didn't act the way that they are now. >> Yes, they did. What was the difference?
02:44:48
Jen StoneWhat were they doing different? They were going to Home Depot. >> Ming babies. They're ming babies. >> The very first thing that kicked out did that before. Can I >> Wait, hold on really quick. There's
02:45:00
Brian Atlasthere's way more scrutiny on law enforcement ever since like 2020, the the BLM George Floyd riots. There's there's uh more law enforcement officers at body cams, which >> Letter P, Brian.
02:45:11
Jen Stone>> Yeah. Yeah. Go P. >> Yeah. Yeah. All right. Go P. >> They should have the I think all >> But I think there's I think there's more scrutiny. >> There [clears throat] just needs to be more transparency. So >> Oh my There is transparency. Okay. All
02:45:24
Brian Atlasright. We have some super chats here. We have uh Latumio. Brian is scary. Andrew is awesome. Hey 140 can I'll save this for when she's back. Um the only campaign promise Trump hasn't made good
02:45:36
Brian Atlason his term limits in Congress, which is definitely disappointing, but in all other areas he's mostly kept his word. Thank you Matt Jacob for the super chat. Really appreciate it. Uh thank you.
02:45:46
Brian AtlasThank you. Appreciate it guys for the message me excuse messages there. Uh $200 will be TTS. I guess we'll do $100 reads and then $10 and up if you want
02:45:56
Brian Atlasyour message displayed. [gasps] All right. Well, uh, while we are waiting on that, um, yeah, Aerodite tomorrow, guys, if you're watching the stream, uh, we
02:46:07
Brian Atlashave Andrew doing a 1v one debate with not so Aerodite, >> which I prefer, by the way. >> Yeah. Uh, this was a this was kind of a
02:46:18
SPEAKER_04a unique one today. Uh, and most of the debates are 1v ones. Actually, this is the first one I've ever seen where it was not that ever. >> Not Not what? >> Not one v one. >> We did a two Well, two of the guys.
02:46:32
Brian AtlasYeah, 2v2. >> Yeah. >> Um although to be fair, you did do most of the talking for that one. >> So, it's basically a onev2. >> You did. No, you got when they got to the criticisms for whatever you tangled. >> I did a little bit, but uh yeah, I kind
02:46:46
Brian AtlasI mean >> those two degenerate feminists, [laughter] >> that guy still talks [ __ ] by the way. the [ __ ] what was his name? [cough] The pillow talk guy or whatever. >> Oh yeah, he got wrecked. They talk [ __ ] after they get wrecked. That's how it
02:46:59
Brian Atlasworks. >> Didn't that guy say something like uh he was basically trying to do a justification of how uh [sighs and gasps] it's okay to be immoral or I'm trying to remember what he said. It was really bad.
02:47:13
Brian Atlas>> Yeah, they >> It was really bad. >> Yeah, those guys those guys were something else. >> Terrible. Terrible. Uh wrong way. Wrong way. Wrong way. Wrong way. I know it's hard to follow instructions
02:47:26
Brian Atlasthat have been repeated 20 times, but >> dude, I have no sleep, ADHD, >> how didn't you arrive yesterday or two days ago or something? >> I have insomnia. It's not easy to manage.
02:47:38
Jen Stone>> And why did you ask for debate given all these disadvantages? >> I mean, because I have a greater message. >> I have a just be transparent. >> That's it. They should be more transparent.
02:47:49
Brian Atlas>> All right. Here, there's a super chat for you. Uh, can can women or excuse me, can men be women? >> No. [sighs] >> Like, can a is it is a transgender woman
02:48:01
Jen Stoneis that a male or female? >> It's a male. >> Okay. >> Do you consider them women? >> Are transgender are trans? >> I don't, but I think they should be able to live their lives however they feel like it, >> but like not What about sports? Not >> I don't think they should be involved in
02:48:15
Brian Atlassports. >> Linger there. Uh, here. Moving on then. Um, you wrote, "You are all about cult, I guess me and Andrew, I guess, you are all about culture wars which spread hate
02:48:27
Brian Atlasand divide our country. You used your show to promote Trump because you're dumb enough to be brainwashed by a con man. Now you're going to have to come to terms with not only helping get a
02:48:37
Brian Atlaspredator criminal con man grifter elected, but also with the fact that you will forever look like a dumbass for falling for his bullshit." So, you wrote that. >> Yeah, that's true. That's true. >> It is because Yeah.
02:48:51
Jen Stone>> What do you mean predator? >> Yeah. I was just going to ask what do you mean predator criminal? >> I mean, yeah, he all things point to that. I mean, he >> nothing points to that.
02:49:03
Jen Stone>> Should we bring up all of the all the things? Sure. I mean, just the fact that he said he drained the swamp and bring >> that has nothing to do with being a predator. He was um barred from even
02:49:14
Jen Stonehaving a um a charity in New York because of a fake charity. Um a fake university. >> Predatory criminal. What does that mean? Predatory.
02:49:24
Jen Stone>> He's predatory. Like he's he um went into um the dressing rooms of of uh Miss Universe uh where there are minors and uh
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Jen Stone>> MissUSA. >> Miss Yeah, whatever. >> No, there's no minors there. That's an adult beauty page. >> It's It starts at 16. But also, it doesn't matter um if it's teenagers
02:49:47
Jen Stonedressing and and brag basically bragged about um getting a pass because he owns owns it that he can go and see all these beautiful women changing and and stuff and he gets a pass.
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Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. He's he's running a beauty pageant for beauty and gets to see beautiful. That's crazy to me. >> Why? That's so Why would you watching women change
02:50:12
Andrew Wilson>> predatory to you without their consent? What? And like him >> without their consent. >> It's without their consent. >> How many of these beauty queens have come forward and said that Donald Trump was in there spying on them without their consent?
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Jen Stone>> There's a lot of stories from people that said that they they stopped um going to the pageantss because of the >> Yeah. Name one >> of the I don't know the names of them.
02:50:34
Jen StoneI've seen several interviews of of how they were treated in the pageant >> and it connects with Jeffrey Epstein and the whole modeling world and it was a
02:50:45
Jen Stonedifferent time that um yeah there was a lot of Yeah. And yeah, there was a lot of uh creepy [ __ ] going on and several like 26 different women came forward um
02:50:58
Jen Stonesaying that they >> all frauds. >> Oh my god. See that's where I see this is what where the Epstein class comes in is rich people never have consequences for everything and they say
02:51:10
Jen Stoneoh people are doing it for power for money um or yeah political reasons but a lot of these people came forward way before he was political. Um there's
02:51:22
Jen Stone>> which ones? >> Um the 13-year-old that >> You mean the one that's not credible? >> Who proved that she wasn't credible? when she retracted her claim.
02:51:33
Jen Stone>> It show there's there's an interview that shows her lawyer saying um the reason she retracted is because she's getting threats and a >> Oh yeah. What's she supposed to say? She retracted cuz she's a [ __ ] liar.
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Andrew Wilson>> But there's also proof of all of the Epstein survivors still now getting threatened. >> What's the Hang on. What's the proof that Trump in any way, shape, or form was involved with a cover up of a
02:51:57
Jen Stonepedophilic organization? Cuz that's where you're going, right? because his actions are proof and he's in like there's still just a small portion of >> what's the proof
02:52:07
Andrew Wilson>> redacting stuff that should not be >> mostly 90% of the redactions plus you can go to Michael Tracy's Twitter to track this most of the redactions in the
02:52:16
Andrew WilsonEpstein files are because victims demand them and because the victim and because which ones >> for what >> which ones are even victims Virginia Guay was not a victim
02:52:29
Andrew WilsonYeah, I don't have the >> She claimed she was a victim, but she was a [ __ ] she's a chronic liar. She's a [ __ ] chronic liar. And uh that's the
02:52:37
Jen Stone>> Republican party is like trying Yeah, he's legit. He said there was no um how do he say accomplishes? Not not um accompllices. Uh
02:52:50
Jen Stonewhat's the word that they're using? He said that no one else was involved in sex trafficking and um there's proof. >> We don't have any evidence of any sex trafficking. Yes, there is. >> Okay, tell me who who was sex
02:53:01
Jen Stonetrafficked. >> Their names are redacted. [laughter] >> So, your evidence is you don't have evidence. >> The the evidence is is that uh Pam Bondi and and what's his name? Uh
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Jen Stone>> Cash Pot. >> Cash. They under oath said that there was not any accompllices or a list of any kind. And Thomas Massie >> says differently. He's seen the files. He said he's willing to say the names.
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Andrew Wilson>> The same Thomas Massie [clears throat] who along with Roana decided that they were going to unredact the names of four innocent people and those innocent people got completely [ __ ] inundated according to their lawyers with death threats and everything else cuz they
02:53:41
Andrew Wilsonwere assuming that they were part of a massive pedophilic cult that doesn't exist. >> Yeah. um the law that they put saying that no
02:53:52
Jen Stonepeople except that we're victims like the women, children >> allowed to be >> what victims >> don't have to memorize >> because there Listen, I'm just going to
02:54:02
Andrew Wilsontell you right now. Here's what we have for evidence. You have zero evidence because Trump's covering it up. >> Covering how >> how is he covering it up? There's red
02:54:13
Andrew Wilson>> breaking the law of the uh the um the transparency act. >> Here's what Trump's in the files doing. Trump is in the files assisting law enforcement against Kain Maxwell. That's
02:54:25
Jen Stoneall that he's in the files doing wrong. Period. Just assisting law enforcement. in 2006 or seven whenever he made a statement saying, "Oh, I'm glad you know
02:54:35
Jen Stonethat you you're doing this investigation blah blah blah blah, but and said he cut off um cut off Epstein from his life, but then the Epstein files show that
02:54:46
Jen Stonelike up to 2016 that he was still in contact and a few times hung out with Epstein." So, >> first of all, this is insanity. Let's back up.
02:54:57
Jen Stone>> Let's start with this. Who are you accusing Donald Trump of? You're Are you accusing him of being a PDF? >> I say that there's a either he's a pedo
02:55:08
Jen Stoneproc protector, which is uh I would say 99% likely. >> Now, give me your evidence. Your best piece of evidence. What is it? >> His actions since all of the actions.
02:55:21
Andrew Wilson>> So, what's your best piece of evidence? >> That it was a Democratic hoax. First of all, the Democratic hoax is that they're calling this guy a and he knew it, by the way. He knew that the second the files were released because
02:55:33
Andrew Wilsonof all the redactions, Democrats are going to run and say that he's part of a pedophilic ring, even though we have no evidence of that at all. >> We don't have the evidence because they won't give it to us. >> So, wait a second. So, you don't know?
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Jen Stone>> I think that's pedophiles, hanging out with pedophiles. Add all of the women that have came came forward. >> Which ones? Which ones do you find credible? Which ones?
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Jen Stone>> I find them all credible until we see the f until we actually see what and the invest how the investigation actually name uh named them uncreditred because it's the same people
02:56:06
Andrew Wilson>> they did name them uncredible. >> The same people who gave uh Epstein the sweetheart deal. >> No. Are those on? >> This is FBI investigators who are investigating this. First of all, >> the FBI that lied on the stand
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Jen Stone>> about >> about there being no co-conspirators. >> Who were the co-conspirators? >> Um, Massie says there's at least six of them that he's uncovered so far and he's going to name them. He's it has to be in