Andrew Wilson & Brian Atlas vs. 140 IQ Woke Leftist Feminist HATER! | Whatever Debates 24
Date: 2026-02-20
Duration: 5h 17m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Jen Stone(guest)
SPEAKER_03Andrew Wilson(host)
SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:00:17
IntroBrian opens debate introducing Andrew Wilson and Jen Stone. Jen corrects IQ to 143, rejects labels.
00:07:00
Key MomentAndrew begins internal critique of Jen's both-siding approach
00:08:50
QuoteAndrew: 'I do hate leftists... God will punish my soul for it'
00:40:00
Key MomentAndrew catches Jen in contradiction: wants to raise corporate taxes (raises prices) while opposing tariffs (also raises prices)
00:56:00
Key MomentAndrew performs internal critique: Jen can't articulate why everyone should vote beyond 'my heart tells me'
01:32:00
Key MomentBrian outlines selective service position. Jen surprisingly agrees women should have same requirements.
02:05:00
Key MomentAndrew demolishes Jen's theology. She can't explain Acts, denies divinity of Christ.
02:50:00
ControversyJen calls Trump pedo protector. Andrew demands evidence. Jen can't name specific accusers.
03:34:00
AgreementAndrew grants Jen's criticism about Trump's anti-Israel speech stance
04:23:00
Key MomentBrian turns tables: Jen's Instagram promotes grandfather's pseudoscientific ESP/telepathy books
05:00:00
RelationshipJen: 38, single, frozen eggs, body count 10-20 (3 in last 8 years), last relationship 4 years
Topics Discussed
00:00:17
Political Unity Opening
Jen argues both sides fighting for same things. Should unite against corporate corruption.
00:14:00
Immigration and Deportation
Jen wants strong borders but pathway for long-term residents. Andrew argues amnesty undermines rule of law.
00:46:00
Voting Rights and Democracy
Andrew argues democracy is flawed. Jen supports competency tests. Andrew performs internal critique - Jen can't ground why everyone should vote.
01:06:00
Brian's Criticisms of Jen's DMs
Brian reads Jen's harsh messages calling him fake, cancer on society, grifter. Heated meta-conversation.
02:00:00
Christianity, Paul, and Jesus
Jen rejects Paul's epistles, believes in reincarnation, sees Jesus as prophet. Andrew demolishes her theological positions.
02:49:00
Trump, Epstein, Pedo Protector Allegations
Jen calls Trump predator/pedo protector. Andrew demands evidence. Jen can't cite specifics.
04:05:00
Candace Owens and Grifting
Jen accuses Brian of grifting. Brian turns tables by examining her grandfather's pseudoscientific books.
04:59:00
Personal Life Wind-Down
Jen shares dating life, frozen eggs. Brian and Andrew joke about aliens.
Transcript
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02:56:31
Jen Stonethe Senate to legally name them. >> Oh, got it. So, so there are no co-conspirators that you can name. He just made it up >> because they won't give them to us. But the I listen to Thomas Massie and all the other people that are have read the
02:56:43
Jen Stonefiles are saying that >> and if you take MT Marjorie Taylor I know for sure that you're a PDF. I can't prove it though because law enforcement won't give me the evidence I need to show you that you're a PDF.
02:56:55
Jen Stone>> In his own words through several interviews throughout the years all of the women that have came forward the girl that said she was threatened. >> Which one of those girls do you find the most credible?
02:57:06
Andrew WilsonUm, I mean, I'd say all of them because >> Now, which one specifically? Give me one name of any of those girls that you found credible. >> I don't know their names. >> You don't know anything about it. Johnson,
02:57:18
Jen Stone>> you don't know nothing about it. Again, >> what do you have every name memorized in? >> You don't I don't need to. I'm not making the claim. >> I'm following the actual evidence that evidence >> he's covering up for his his friends
02:57:31
Andrew Wilsonthat >> Show me the evidence. >> Where is it? Where can I look at it? >> The lies. The lies. Not [sighs]
02:57:41
Jen Stone>> that there even is co-conspirators that there is that. Yeah. He said he never went on the plane. He said he um lost he stopped he banned Epstein from
02:57:54
Jen Stone>> He did ban Epstein from his properties. Not only that, he worked with law enforcement. >> He didn't work with them. He made a statement. He made a statement which is someone who's covering up would do exactly that. >> Yeah. Why didn't Biden release the Epstein files?
02:58:07
Jen Stone>> Yes. He's directly involved with that. He's not a pedo. I don't There's no proof of that yet. >> There's no proof that Trump is You just made it up. >> I didn't make it up. There's women who have come forward who said he did the same.
02:58:18
Jen Stone>> Who are And which ones did you find the most credible? >> The the the girl that retracted her statement. Um >> you found her and why did you find her credible? the one who retracted her sworn statement
02:58:32
Andrew Wilson>> because she was a minor and it directly involved Epste as well. >> She hang on. She did she make the claims when she was a minor? Did she make the claims when she was an adult when people were getting millions of dollars in cash settlements when they said that they were a victim of Jeffrey Epstein?
02:58:44
Jen Stone>> Oh, actually uh new new evidence have came out that have directly um correlated her suing the EP Epstein estate um around the time um the claims were
02:58:57
Jen Stonemade and it being settled. I don't know if you've read that >> again. >> So yeah, if if she sued the Etsy estate and won >> Uhhuh. >> during that time period. >> Um
02:59:09
Andrew Wilson>> um nothing. There was all kinds of >> If there was no proof of that, why would they have all kinds of settlements which came out of the Epstein saga, but here's what did not come out of the Epstein
02:59:19
Andrew Wilsonsaga, at least thus far. There is not a single shred of evidence that Donald Trump participated in any sort of sexual activity with any minors at all, nor that he was part of some PDF ring, nor
02:59:31
Andrew Wilsonthat there even was a PDF ring. And you know what evidence you have for this? Here's the evidence you have for this. I don't have evidence. >> There's a lot of the >> Okay, in the emails, which which things >> should Can we look it up? You think I
02:59:45
Andrew Wilsonhave it on there? >> Go ahead. >> I actually want you to we can go through them one at a time. You could show me the best evidence you have that Donald Trump's a PDF. >> I didn't say there's direct evidence of it. >> So, no evidence
02:59:57
Jen Stone>> at at the >> So, he's he's a PDF, but you have no evidence he's a PDF. >> First of all, it's very hard to prove if someone graded you or not. Um, if you
03:00:06
Jen Stonecompare it to murder cases um where there's uh what they call it the sub um it's a tough evidence. Sorry, my brain's um >> circumstantial evidence. All of you can
03:00:19
Jen Stonebe convicted of murder without any actual DNA without >> That's nice. What's the most credible piece of evidence you have? Donald Trump's a PDF. >> Uh the women's statements that are
03:00:29
Jen Stoneconnected to it him being liable him being li his own words of how he talks to women. Him being held liable of
03:00:37
Jen Stonerape. Uh the way he was >> specifically liable of SA. Yes, he was by our courts. You know what? I'll just
03:00:47
Andrew Wilsongrant you that Donald Trump has graped 300 women. Let's say he's graped them. He just did. I'm just going to logically I'll just say he did. What's your best piece of evidence that Donald Trump is a
03:00:59
Jen StonePDF and did anything? >> I don't know for sure he was a PDF, but I know he's a pedo protector. >> Okay. Show me how he's protecting PDFs. >> Literally, [laughter] the proof is what's happening with
03:01:10
Jen StoneEpstein files and the >> What's the proof? [sighs] >> [gasps] >> him lying about him saying that he was going to um
03:01:23
Jen Stonebe transparent bring the Epstein files out then >> he has brought the Epstein files out >> u after being forced by there there was enough votes to where even if he didn't
03:01:32
Andrew Wilson>> Dan Bonino goes Dan Bonino becomes the assistant deputy director of the SB FBI he he comes out right he's done now he's back on his podcast he says you know why there's all these actions. The victims
03:01:45
Andrew Wilsonwant it. There's there's porn in it, right? And uh lawyers are suing for it. So, what are you talking about? >> Well, lawyers suing doesn't make it against the law. >> Yeah. They can tie up redactions forever
03:01:58
Jen Stonebecause they're victims. >> If there's Yeah. They're supposed to of course edit out the the people that are the victim like the female >> and all sorts of information which can
03:02:09
Andrew Wilsonpoint to what what their identity is, which would be a massive redaction. No, that's why you uh face I would love it if you redacted if you if they had unredacted files and could release them. I would love that. I would adore
03:02:22
Andrew Wilson>> it. There's proof that they're redacting people that um were guys that have nothing to do with the um survivors. >> Let's try this. Instead of the the conspirator [ __ ] let me just ask you this.
03:02:35
Andrew Wilson>> It's not conspiracy. >> Okay. Name one of these people who you think is currently in government who's a PDF because of the Epstein files that you've read.
03:02:48
Andrew Wilson>> I think they're pedo protectors. >> Name one. No, no, no. That's not what I I asked you. Name one who's a PDF. Which PDFs are they protecting? >> Say that there is any. >> Which PDFs are they protecting? >> The the Epson class. The
03:03:01
Andrew Wilson>> Who? Who are they? >> They're donors. >> What are their names? [sighs] Nothing. >> Should Should I bring up the list? Go ahead. I don't have their >> and then show me your most compelling
03:03:13
Andrew Wilsonpiece of evidence that they're a PDF. Go ahead.
03:03:19
Andrew Wilson>> You're living in the midst of a left-wing disinformation campaign. >> What about MTG saying the same thing?
03:03:28
Andrew Wilson>> The leftwing the that the Oh, MT MTG who left disaffected from Donald Trump. She was all sorts of pissed off cuz he she wasn't her golden girl. >> She left because she she realized it was
03:03:40
Andrew Wilsonall a lie [ __ ] he's covering >> it's MTG. And not only that, let's point this out. It's really funny to me that suddenly oh the left is so concerned about supposed baby eating and baby
03:03:52
Andrew Wilsonkilling. It's like they do that every day. That's what the left does. They kill they kill untold swaths of children and suddenly oh Trump's at the head of a baby killing baby baby molesting uh you
03:04:04
Jen Stoneknow [ __ ] empire. >> People are more aware of I mean I don't know about that conspiracy but I think people are more aware that both sides
03:04:13
Andrew Wilsonhave been propagandaed and we've all been lied to or both sides can agree. >> Name for me the strongest piece of evidence that you have that Donald J. Trump ever did anything like this with
03:04:27
Andrew Wilsonchildren? >> I did not say there was actual >> then why do you say you're leaning towards >> the circumstances point to that? >> No, they don't. >> If a a sheep >> none of the circumstances point to that.
03:04:39
Andrew Wilson>> If if a dude surrounds himself by sheep [ __ ] some and uh >> Okay, which Okay, so if he's surrounded by PDFs, name those people.
03:04:50
Andrew Wilson>> Well, he was friends with Diddy. He was friends with uh FB. >> You mean didd he was I'm sorry. Was Dee or was Diddy charged with uh with being a PDF? Convicted of being a PDF?
03:05:05
Andrew Wilson>> No. No. >> People came forward about it. >> Uh-huh. And And then he went to trial. And then what happened? >> What happened at Diddy's trial? What did he get charged? What did he get
03:05:16
Andrew Wilsonconvicted of? um sending sex workers like across state lines. >> So nothing to do with children. >> Well, all I have to say is if
03:05:26
Andrew Wilson>> So if you surround yourself PDFs, name one. Name one he's surrounding himself with. Who? You got to Google it. >> Jeffrey Epste. You told me to find them. >> Jeffrey Epstein was not convicted of
03:05:37
Andrew Wilsonbeing a PDF. What are you talking about? Neither was Gla Maxwell. They were convicted of trafficking prostitutes. A prostitute. A minor is not a prostitute.
03:05:48
Andrew Wilson>> A minor is also not a prepubescent child. And yes, it's true that Jeffrey Epstein should have been convicted for doing the trafficking to himself of people who were being recruited at a
03:05:58
Andrew Wilsonlocal high school to have sex with him. Totally agree with that. But this idea that there's >> that their emails show that >> the emails don't show that. >> Yeah, they do. >> Then show me them. Show me the best
03:06:10
Andrew Wilsonpiece of evidence you have that Donald J. Trump is part of a PDF protection ring. And who the PDFs in this ring are? Who are they? >> Nothing. >> Uh, I'm trying to look it up, but every
03:06:22
Andrew Wilsontime I do, you keep saying more [ __ ] >> You got You got to look it up because you don't have the facts on your side. >> What do you mean the facts on my side? >> The facts on your side? >> I keep hiding [ __ ] >> It's just pure incredul. You have no
03:06:35
Andrew Wilsonevidence. >> So stupid. Yeah, it's stupid because you have no evidence at all. >> Because they're covering it. >> Oh, cuz it's a big cover up. Well, that's an unfalsified. >> Literally, the people who have seen the files are saying that Yeah, they're they
03:06:48
Jen Stonefreaking lie. >> UFOs are real, but I can't prove it because they're covering it up. The government's covering it up. >> Literally, the people have seen the unredacted files say that there's at
03:06:58
Andrew Wilsonleast six people so far that were involved. Mhm. >> So therefore, it's true. >> There needs to be an investigation. >> Oh, okay. You going to investigate it? Go investigate it.
03:07:11
Andrew Wilson>> Even though they were That's what all of the files are is investigations. That's what all of them are. >> And do you think they're going to unredact the victim's names? You think they're going to unredact most of these things? >> I think that things didn't get
03:07:24
Jen Stoneinvestigated properly because >> how do you know? You don't even know the details of any of the investigations. You don't even know the details of the investigation. >> And the email it showed originally that there was 10 co-conspirators and it said
03:07:37
Andrew Wilsonwhere they're living and they were doing subpoenas and all of this crap. >> Okay, let's back up. Okay, what was Epstein actually charged with? Do you even know >> like sex trafficking of some sort?
03:07:50
Andrew Wilson>> Do you know Do you know any of the specifics of the case? >> No. >> What about of the case? I don't >> Maxwell, do you know any of the specifics of the case? She um she mostly trafficked the girls to Epstein, but a
03:08:03
Andrew Wilsonfew times I think she actually did touch the girls. >> Okay. What are the Do you know the details of her case >> of like what the the raping the girl or >> anything? Any Just give me any of the
03:08:15
Jen Stonedetails of these. Do you know? >> Do you even know where this occurred? Like where the Epstein stuff occurred? >> I mean some are in the island, some are in New York, some are in his office. It's all in Florida basically.
03:08:27
Jen Stone>> I wasn't done speaking, but it's literally all over the place. It wasn't just a island. >> So, what was he charged with? >> I don't know the name of the exact charge. >> I don't know. You don't know anything
03:08:39
Andrew Wilsonabout any of these cases. >> Stupid. >> You don't know anything about what's going on in the files? You don't know anything about any of these cases? Yes, I do. >> Okay. Well, then give me your most compelling piece of evidence. >> Every time I keep keep trying to look up, >> you have to Google the evidence that you
03:08:53
Jen Stoneknow. every freaking name of the people they've owned. >> You don't have any names. >> Um, yeah. I Bill Clinton was there. There's no proof that he did anything. I I don't know the names. Let me look up
03:09:05
Andrew Wilsonthe name. I don't have it memorized. Does it make it untrue that I don't have these douchebags names memorized? >> No, I'm not even asking you for that. I asked you for the details of the cases, what your most compelling evidence is, anything you can reference. You got
03:09:17
Andrew Wilsonnothing. What you have is I was on X. >> You've read all of the emails. It shows exactly what's happening. I was on X. >> Oh my god. I don't use X. >> Oh, well, I'm glad you asked. You want to know what happened? What happened is a a woman named Virginia Goofy?
03:09:31
Andrew Wilson>> I know her. >> Okay. Do Do you know that she's a chronic serial liar and that her story has more holes in it than Swiss cheese? She claims that she was trafficked by her dad completely uh or completely
03:09:43
Andrew Wilsonunverified. Claims that she was raped. >> Claims that she was raped by two men, falsely accused them of it. Found >> How do you know it's false? because the police investigated it, determined it was consensual. She's made grape
03:09:54
Andrew Wilsonallegations multiple times. She's had to retract. Okay. She claimed that Epstein's lawyer graped her and then had to retract that, too. She had to retract that Dersuit did this to her. And then she said later, "Well, the thing is is
03:10:07
Andrew Wilsonlike I was just confused cuz I was just raped by so many." She claimed she was with him for four years. She wasn't with him for four years. That would have been completely impossible, right? You don't know anything about this. You should just It's embarrassing. It's [ __ ]
03:10:19
Jen Stoneembarrassing. Oh, that's embarrassing for you. >> I don't find it embarrassing that you don't know. >> What I find embarrassing is you're sticking up for administration who's
03:10:30
Jen Stoneobviously lying to us and not following the they're not following the law that they were instructed to do. Are they? They lied about there being co-conspiry
03:10:42
Jen Stoneact says it doesn't matter if it embarrasses them or >> that they have they can only redact the actual victim's names
03:10:51
Jen Stone>> and they're going against that and they're also not um yeah they're not and they have to redact like the photo of someone actually >> they're going to keep on doing these
03:11:03
Andrew Wilsondumps. They're gonna keep on. They said they said that they were done and this is >> Oh, no. There's gonna be more. And by the way, >> they said that that was it. >> Let me point Let me point this out to you, too, right? You don't even know
03:11:14
Jen Stonewhat's in them. All you've seen is what dummies are posting on >> I've I don't use X. First of all, I've I've read a lot of these emails. >> Okay. Which ones did you find?
03:11:25
Jen Stone>> There's like a torture thing where they talk about like an a 9-year-old. Um there's um what >> you don't know >> what do you mean just nothing now you
03:11:38
Andrew Wilsonknow that's the thing is like >> I don't have it all memorized I've read I've read I speak I didn't read so much on things that they just clearly don't know [ __ ] about like you don't know anything about the Epstein case nothing
03:11:50
Jen Stone>> what do you mean I' I literally >> get updates on all the files all the time and read through what the ep updates are >> how come you don't you're not familiar with any of the content of it. >> I My brain doesn't memorize things
03:12:02
Jen Stoneeasily. That's >> why do you read if you can't maintain anything? >> I don't read. I watch the videos and then I read what they found and fact check it because my brain >> What's the point if you can't remember it?
03:12:13
Andrew Wilson>> My my brain process stuff processes stuff through videos cuz that's a dis. >> That's fine. Look, not everybody is going to be is going to read something and then memorize it. Sure, you can use
03:12:24
Andrew Wilsonvideo, but what's the point of doing that if you can't remember the details of any of the things that you just >> I don't have their names memorized. >> Not even asking for names. Details of the case. What are they charged with?
03:12:35
Andrew WilsonWhat are the details around the one who spawned all of this, which is Virginia Guay? What? You don't know any of it. And it's like, what a waste of time. Anyway, I'm going to go have a smoke.
03:12:50
Jen Stone>> Literally, Oh, >> I mean there out of I'm supposed to have all of these these memorized when there's like >> millions upon millions of documents that I'm reading every day. I'm supposed to
03:13:02
Brian Atlaslike >> I I don't know. That conversation is not my I don't know anything. I don't I don't really know much about it. I can't really speak on it. I think Andrew was
03:13:13
Brian Atlasjust looking for uh like what's the evidence that he was looking for the evidence? The evidence I never said that the evidence that he's covering [ __ ] up
03:13:25
Brian AtlasI think is is there. >> I think Andrew's frustration might have just been uh you at least he was looking for evidence like what is Trump's involvement in all that. And again I'm not an expert in this so I I don't know
03:13:38
Jen Stonethe details. >> He's involved in covering it up at the very least. >> But but so what's the evidence for that? him calling it a Democrat hoax and
03:13:48
Jen Stonesaying that he doesn't want you to even um follow him anymore if he Yeah. If you and every time the Epstein files are
03:13:58
Jen Stonebrought up, he like wants people to shut up about it. He um he was he he was he was he lied about what was
03:14:08
Jen Stonein the files and he um yeah many [clears throat] times he lied about his relationship with Epstein because there's now proof out that uh their communication and stuff did not end when
03:14:20
Jen Stonehe said it it did. He lied about being on the plane. Um all all kind I think I think >> I don't know the details of it. Um, >> I mean, and then, yeah, his his own staff lied about,
03:14:33
Brian Atlas>> but hold on really quick. >> His staff lied on on the stand. >> Logically, um, can somebody lie about something but
03:14:42
Jen Stonethey not be guilty of like an a different unrelated crime? >> Yeah. I mean, like that's why I said
03:14:52
Brian Atlasthat's why I said at minimum he covering up. If like if Trump has lied,
03:15:01
Brian Atlasis that evidence of like something else sinister or also by the way sometimes either misremembering things or you know isn't necessarily a lie. >> Yeah. But I think
03:15:14
Jen Stone>> like if I were to say >> if he said he lost communication in 2008 and it comes out that he was talking hanging out with Trump in 2016, I think that's a pretty big lie. But if somebody
03:15:24
Brian Atlassaid like, "Have you ever hung out with somebody by the name of Quincy Smith >> and you don't remember them?" I I I look again, I'm not I don't know how to
03:15:36
Brian Atlasparse all the that stuff. It's not really a focus of my attention, but it does occur to me that if somebody could approach me and like interrogate me and be like, "Do you ever recall meeting uh
03:15:49
Brian Atlasyou know, somebody by the name of Jackson McDougall?" And I'd be like, "No, well, hold on. Here's a photo of you with Jackson Mc McDougall 20 years ago at some frat party." And I'd be
03:16:01
Jen Stonelike, "Okay, >> sure." I guess >> I get that. I get that. That as someone with a as someone who's very forgetful, obviously.
03:16:11
Jen Stone>> I think it's a pretty big lie to to cover up several years of relationship, pretend you're never on the plane. Um I I think and then and then trying to
03:16:22
Jen StoneYeah. All of the rest of it, all directions point to that he's covering up. Several people on his staff were found to be in the Epstein files, too.
03:16:33
Andrew Wilson>> I don't know. There is that >> I guess my Anyways, whatever. I'm I don't know. >> Yeah. >> Anyways, we'll move it on to a different topic. I'm just I'm just sick of this narrative that lefties have that Donald
03:16:47
Andrew WilsonTrumpies >> that Donald Trump is a PDF and he's protecting PDFs and they never have any [ __ ] evidence. They can never point to anything. And the best that they can come up with is Andrew must be
03:16:58
Andrew Wilsonprotecting PDFs because he says there's no evidence DGT ever did anything with children and there's not. >> If there was no evidence, why didn't he just release the files? He can't you
03:17:10
Andrew Wilsoncan't unilaterally do it. >> You can't. It just um the way you have to redact the name. >> By the way, here's the other thing. Let's say that let's say that he's hiding them for some reason. We don't know. Let's just say that we are that he
03:17:21
Andrew Wilsonis. Right. >> The absence of evidence is not evidence for you that Trump ever did anything with anybody. And I'm tired of the
03:17:30
Andrew Wilsonlibtards doing everything they can do to pretend pretend like they didn't have [ __ ] uh presidents before who had access to these same files, refused to
03:17:41
Andrew Wilsonrelease them. Suddenly Oh, yeah. Sure. >> That's what the deep state is. >> Yeah. So, here's here's the thing that's going on, right? >> Uh you don't have any evidence that Trump was part of any pedophilic ring.
03:17:53
Andrew WilsonYou don't have any evidence that Trump is a PDF. You don't have none nothing. And you're not even familiar with the files. >> Yes, I am. I've I've literally stayed up to date with all the information just because I don't know any of it. >> Yes, I do.
03:18:05
SPEAKER_01>> Okay, whatever you say. The thing is, >> let me let this chat come through. >> Let me donated $200. To prove I'm not stupid and show Andrew my support. Love you, man. You are the
03:18:17
Andrew Wilsonclosest to Charlie to me. >> Thanks, man. I appreciate that. Now, for the whatever audience, so that we're clear on my position here, I would love if all the files came out unredacted. I think that that would be great. Okay,
03:18:30
Andrew Wilsonbut here's the thing. In the interim time, you're not going to come to me with zero [ __ ] evidence and say that the president's PDF because the left has been running this gambit for the last
03:18:40
Andrew Wilsonyear straight with no proof and that is an op and it's a disinformation campaign. And so when I put these people to the question, the reason that I do it as aggressively as I do is to prove they
03:18:52
Andrew Wilsonhave nothing from which to base this on. Zero. It's all just, well, we don't have evidence, so therefore it's true. And it's [ __ ] crazy. >> Isn't certain. How many women have come
03:19:04
Andrew Wilsonforward? And how many creepy statements has he made? He admitted to >> Tell me this the one the woman who came forward who you think is the most credible, please.
03:19:15
Jen StoneI think because of the massive amounts of people that have came forward, there needs to be further investigation. Um, >> celebrities have him, all of the lies,
03:19:26
Jen Stoneplus of the people who are pedos that he's hung out with, several of them which have been found to be in the Epstein files. Um, I think if you hang out with pedos, >> well, which ones are the pedos he's
03:19:38
Jen Stonehanging out with? Um, there's no direct evidence because we don't >> Then why do you keep saying he's hanging out with pedos? >> Because he's hanging out with all the people listed in the files. He's trying to keep more evidence of what actually
03:19:50
Jen Stonehappened away from the public. He's lied about his relationship with Trump after he was already convicted. >> So, let me make sure I got this right. >> He said he cut off Trump for I mean off Epste for being creepy. But then there's
03:20:02
Andrew Wilsonthere's proof that he was still like >> so let me just make sure. >> So with Trump in 2000 I mean with ep. Trump's a PDF. You have no evidence that he's a PDF. Trump hangs out with ped
03:20:14
Andrew WilsonPDFs. You can't name a single you can't stop. Stop. You can't name a single PDF he's hanging out with. Your evidence that he's hanging out with PDFs is that you don't have any evidence that he's hanging out with PDFs. And your evidence
03:20:26
Andrew Wilsonthat he is a PDF is that you don't have any evidence he's a PDF. Brilliant leftist >> dude. I'm >> brilliant. I'm >> so [ __ ] dumb. >> Yeah. No, I don't think I'm the one who's so [ __ ] dumb.
03:20:36
Jen Stone>> Circumstantial evidence can get you convicted of murder out of it. >> That's true. >> Grape is like pretty much the only exception to where like the laws are different where you can't have someone
03:20:49
Andrew Wilsonuh say this is the person who did it to me. Um >> so believe all women. >> Don't believe all women. I think >> so. Believe women based on evidence. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Then give me your most compelling piece of evidence from one of these women.
03:21:04
Jen Stone>> There's of of what? Trump. >> Yeah. >> Most of them said that they didn't he didn't do anything of him. What I'm mostly saying is that we need I said it most likely he's a pedo
03:21:16
Jen Stoneprotector. But if he didn't have anything to hide then and all of these 26 women are are false. >> You refer to him as a predator criminal.
03:21:26
Jen StoneHe I think it's predatory to to speak about dating. Um >> I think it's predatory to call the president PDF with zero evidence. But >> um it's predatory to say I'm going to be dating you in 10 years to a 10-year-old.
03:21:38
Andrew WilsonI think it's predatory to go into locker rooms where teenagers are changing. >> Show me the locker room. There was teenagers he walked into that were changing. >> He admitted to it. >> Can you tell me what the what? Can you tell me a single locker room he walked
03:21:49
Brian Atlasinto where teenagers were changing? Yeah, it it was his um >> the Trump campaign does deny deny it, by the way. They deny the allegations. >> He literally said it. >> He said something on Howard Stern about the Miss USA pageants.
03:22:03
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> He wasn't saying anything about teenagers. >> There are teenagers and it's without and it was without consent. >> But it was contestants who alleged that Trump entered changing rooms while they
03:22:14
Andrew Wilsonwere undressed. But Trump's campaign denied the allegation. But he said it on Howard Stern before AI existed. >> Yeah. Let's just go. Is that not predatory? >> Let me just grant it. Let's just grant
03:22:26
Andrew Wilsonthat Trump used to like to peep at women at the beauty pageantss and watch him change. Okay. >> And then add all of >> the most credible woman who has accused
03:22:37
Jen Stonehim of SA. >> The girl that won civically about SA in court. >> Who? >> I don't remember her name. >> You don't? The girl that got um finger banged.
03:22:49
Andrew Wilson>> Oh, you mean the one who named her cat Vagina and is a lunatic? >> Well, the courts who >> who whose name of course you don't know. >> I don't dude, I don't remember stuff
03:22:59
Jen Stonethat way. What I do remember remember is the details of what she alleges happened and who she told people about. >> There was not a single piece of
03:23:09
Andrew Wilsonevidence. That was a Mickey Mouse ass trial. Our peers followed the evidence and voted in her favor. >> No, no, no, no. First of all, they didn't find him guilty of a single crime. What happened?
03:23:22
Andrew Wilson>> Liable is different than guilty. >> He got a [ __ ] he got a pro. It was a process that in in civil liability, which is easy to prove. And by the way, she had all sorts of coaching. She's
03:23:34
Jen Stoneshe's a lunatic. She said that grape was sexy. >> No, she didn't say she did. See, you're taking uh her words and and mixing. She said men think that way. If you watch the full interview, she she watched the
03:23:47
Andrew Wilsoninterview. >> She said that it's sexualized and >> and so that woman is crazy as [ __ ] And >> well, the courts disagreed >> and even then, >> right, what is the most that had nothing
03:23:59
Andrew Wilsonto do with the Epstein files. What is the most compelling evidence that you can cite in the Epstein files that trumps a PDF? What
03:24:08
Jen Stone>> I said most likely that he's a I said predator. I never said PDF. >> You did. You said it lean. I'm leaning towards he is
03:24:18
Jen Stone>> due to the circumstances of the way he speaks about minor women, the way he barge in on teenagers, all of the women who have come forward. Um, and then the
03:24:28
Jen Stonefact that he's lying about what's in the Epstein files, uh, telling his base, I don't want you to follow me if if >> So, your most compelling piece of evidence and you don't have any evidence. Okay.
03:24:40
Jen Stone>> No, literally, there's proof in the files that he kept communicating with Epstein and hung out with him in 2016 that he lied about being >> Even if that was all true, what's the
03:24:50
Jen Stonemost compelling piece of evidence? >> Pedo uh, protector and he has predatory behavior. >> Word. Okay, >> it is. You said I'll give you if Let's give you that him barging in on naked
03:25:02
Jen Stonewomen is predatory. I never said he grades little kids. I never said that. >> He's at least covering up for them. >> Shall we move it on? >> Yeah, we can move on to the next. >> Have you uh tilt your mic down and
03:25:13
Brian Atlasstraighten it for me? Tilt it down. There you go. Okay. Uh here uh you said >> it's just like talking point just lefty talking point after lefty talking point. >> You write uh you wrote here there's a
03:25:24
Brian Atlasgreat awaken awakening happen. Everyone is done with culture wars and bullying each other. We are going to come together to fight the corruption. Bullying is out. Identity politics is out. Blaming each other for our
03:25:34
Brian Atlasgovernment's corruption is out. And soon if you me Brian don't change your angle, you'll be out too. Hope you have some savings. Lol. So that was just you hoping that I uh like come into financial ruin.
03:25:47
Brian Atlas>> I don't hope that happens. >> You said hope you have some savings to indicate. >> I hope you do have savings. Uh, I guess uh because >> these are unrelated. >> The dating the dating discussion. >> I like mine. I don't >> Okay, whatever. You also wrote, "Look at
03:26:01
Brian AtlasCandace and Tucker. They stopped engaging in culture wars. Ex accepted they were wrong and now we're at the top. But you had a chance to talk about real issues and stop the bullshit." >> That's why I was mad. He left me on red.
03:26:12
Brian Atlas>> And now you're destined to be a hasb been. Lol. Destined to be a hasbin. Okay. >> Well, eventually when when uh >> I mean, who are you? but never has been and nobody.
03:26:22
Jen Stone>> No, I don't know. My point of all of that is um we can all agree that we've all been propagandaed and
03:26:33
Jen Stonepodcasts fell for that propaganda on both sides and you contributed to what's happening now and so many other people did and
03:26:44
Jen Stonelike the majority I watch a [ __ ] ton of right-wing majority of them agree that they were wrong and >> about what? >> About trying to elect Trump.
03:26:56
Brian Atlas>> Yeah, that that they got bamboo. >> Should I have pushed for Camala? >> No, I think they both who should have >> but I think the people that No, I I >> also it's a bit of a post
03:27:08
Jen Stoneall these new revelations. I think that the people who keep fighting for Trump um even though there's a thousand thing like everything he campaigned on for the most part other than the the border like
03:27:21
Jen Stonehe he's basically >> I think he should go harder on immigration to be honest. >> I think he's not doing enough on immigration. >> I think for the amount of money that we're paying for extra money for ICE um he should be pulling higher numbers
03:27:35
Jen Stoneconsidering >> Yeah, it' be nice to deport more people. Yeah. I mean, we didn't have to pay all this extra money because the other administrations because they weren't doing anything. >> They deported way more. >> They had an open border and more came
03:27:46
Jen Stonein. >> Well, you think, but somehow there's Wait, [laughter] wait. So, so, so where are all of these people that came in if they can't find them? All of the other administrations. >> First of all, they're being stopped at
03:27:58
Andrew Wilsonthe border. And the second is there's there's way less border crossings because Trump will collect their ass and deport them. >> Yes, I give them credit. That that's great. Uh but uh >> sorry, got to move it on. Um you Hey, it
03:28:10
Brian Atlasis what it is for sake of time. Uh you also said, "Congrats, you're now in my top five douchebag YouTubers." You listed it. Andrew Tate, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Wilson, me and Brian Alice. Uh and then Nick Fuentes. And then you
03:28:24
Jen Stonesaid, "Congrats, you're more douchy than Nick Fuentes." >> I said I said that because at least Nick keeps it real. My issue was is >> you call him a douchebag and now he keeps it real. He keeps it real, but he's
03:28:36
Jen Stone>> Well, he may have to issue. My issue was at the time is I felt like >> there's a lot of feelings. >> Okay, go ahead. >> My observation is that
03:28:46
Jen Stone>> I I what I what >> is that like you had all these talking points for Maggot and when I brought I mean to get him
03:28:57
Jen StoneTrump elected and all this stuff, but there's certain people in the mainstream >> really I Okay. Well, I mean, you weren't that much, but Andrew did an election night stream. >> Yeah. Well, it's more like the same
03:29:10
Jen Stonequestions that everyone else on the right. We're saying um which did contribute to more >> what questions? >> Um about >> well, as a woman was Was that Trump
03:29:21
Jen Stonepropaganda? >> Um no. Um let let me continue what I was saying is that there's certain peop >> Don't worry, just focus. I'm trying to
03:29:31
Brian Atlasbut every time I get to a point miss yawn every time Andrew you just yawn. Okay, go ahead. Continue. >> I'm not trying. >> And you look there. You look You're looking >> dude like this is my brain. I'm not trying to
03:29:42
Jen Stone>> It's okay. Go ahead. Hey, it Well, good. >> Every time I'm trying to say something, you're interrupting me back. I've been trying to be better about not interrupting, but every time I'm about to freaking say something. You have to
03:29:55
Brian Atlassay more [ __ ] until I forget what the [ __ ] I'm saying. >> I'm moving on. Um, >> no. See, exactly. >> Well, you lost your train of thought. It happens to the best of us. >> Dude, you you want me to answer? You haven't even got me let me answer what I
03:30:08
Brian Atlaswas saying. >> It's prattled. >> No, you haven't even let me answer. >> I'd let you answer. >> No, I I never even got to my full point before you keep interrupting it. >> Okay. Well, just for sake of time, I'm trying to explain about the Nick Fuentes
03:30:22
Jen Stonething, blah, blah, blah. >> Because Nick Fluent First of all, Nick Fluentes literally >> We're not talking about Nick at this moment. It's because the what I was trying to get at is I wanted to talk about real things and have real people
03:30:34
Jen Stoneon the podcast and every time I brought up James Terico um you shot it down and >> I didn't shut it down after after the Trump
03:30:45
Jen Stone>> and after Trump became president. I don't see anything talking about what actually is happening in the administration that could be bad for Trump. And you helped him get elected. the majority of everyone else who helped
03:30:58
Brian Atlashim get elected are now >> I have a dating podcast. I did an election night stream with Andrew and look I lean conservative but uh >> my dating podcast is not [laughter] I
03:31:09
Jen Stonedon't know how okay I mean >> my issue was is that yeah I when I see people let's say him >> do you think Camala would have been better than Trump? >> I think it would
03:31:22
Jen Stone>> What were our choices? >> Both [ __ ] I think that Camala would have been like another Biden. Too many people would have came in worse. But >> it would have been [ __ ] terrible. >> Yeah. I don't >> And also I've seen a lot of uh you know,
03:31:35
Jen Stonefree speech has opened up quite a bit since >> um what about Tik Tok and what about the FCC? And yeah, Tik Tok is now censoring Epstein, Trump, the border. >> No, don't say I'm all over the place
03:31:48
Brian Atlaswhen I'm bringing up a valid point about censorship. >> But every time I have a good point, you say moving on. these platforms like from >> moving on
03:31:56
Brian Atlas>> from 2000 to 2024 there was like massive amounts of censorship on these platforms. >> Luckily since Trump term two uh actually
03:32:07
Brian Atlasquite a lot of these platforms kind of opened themselves up a bit in terms of their moderation policies massive broadening of free speech acceptance here.
03:32:17
Jen Stone>> Well that's great. What about Tik Tok? >> What about it? Tik Tok's a left like lefting platform. >> No, Tik Tok whoever bought it was is like uh >> well I know the >> align with Trump and um the recently
03:32:32
Andrew Wilsonchanges. >> There's no more leftists on there. >> They're censoring the leftists. >> No, they're not. >> Yes, they are. >> No, they're not. >> Yes, they are. >> Lady, I do I go on TikTok and deal with
03:32:44
Andrew Wilsonmore leftist probably than any right-wing personality. >> Censoring certain subjects like Epstein and >> Yeah. Okay. YouTube censors certain subjects, too. >> There's less free speech now that it's
03:32:55
Jen Stonebeen bought than there was with China. >> There's more free speech. >> There's more free speech. >> I'm talking about Tik Tok and then him going after
03:33:04
Jen Stonelike suing literally everybody. And then the FCC, they wouldn't let J again on um the what's it called? Whatever late night, not Jimmy Fallon. Yeah. Yeah, the FCC said that they couldn't
03:33:18
Andrew Wilsonhave him on >> because of the uh >> the fairness and >> Yeah, the fairness act. And who wanted that? >> That's not a law. >> Who wanted that? >> I don't know. But that's not even the law. >> That's leftists who wanted the fairness.
03:33:27
Jen Stone>> Yeah, but that's it's not a law for for um for talk shows and they're not going after Fox and literally it's not for talk show. >> Wasn't that a policy? Wasn't that a policy?
03:33:41
Andrew Wilson>> Changed, but the policy hasn't changed back. You can't make threats and and tell people they can't have them on if you haven't changed the policy. >> Wasn't that Steven Colbear said that um that was that was his company who was
03:33:53
Jen Stonelike look >> the FCC came in. Yeah. his his company said that the FCC told him not to and and
03:34:02
Jen Stonehis company has to um get um get approved to um >> well maybe leftists won't get into the Fairness Act anymore then because they're the ones who push
03:34:14
Jen Stone>> saying that there's and then then him calling his administration saying there's a difference between hate speech and speech and saying that they're going
03:34:22
Jen Stoneafter people people who use hate speech. um is the Israeli thing. >> Oh yeah, that that's a good point, too. They're um not allowing college. You
03:34:34
Andrew Wilson>> know, that's a point that I'll grant you. I will grant you the colleges think >> I will grant you a point that it is [ __ ] Absolute [ __ ] [ __ ] to say that um that it's the case that if
03:34:46
Andrew Wilsonyou're anti-Israel, you're going to get deported or, you know, something like this. That's all [ __ ] [ __ ] And I did think that saying Zion Dawn then was a reasonable thing to do to push that
03:34:57
Andrew Wilsonadministration back away from it. But while I can grant some of these criticisms as being valid like that criticism, I had it myself, right? I'm not blind. >> But the thing is is like I'm still not
03:35:11
Andrew Wilsongoing to let you call the guy a [ __ ] PDF cuz that's called a PDF. I called him a predator protecting a PDF or >> I said predator, did I not? And I'm not going to allow you to uh besmerge him on
03:35:22
Andrew Wilsongreat policies like what's going on with ICE based on the fact that people got killed who were going out of their way to agitate. >> Is it a great policy for spending extra money to deport less people and then killing
03:35:36
Jen Stone>> spending did you say spending less money? >> Spending Sorry. Spending more money to deport less people. Is that a good >> No, we're spending more money for border security. >> Um what about No, ICE. >> Yeah. Yeah.
03:35:49
Andrew Wilson>> Can you fact check that? >> Yeah, you can fact check it. >> It's okay. >> You can look it up. >> Go ahead. But yes, the truth of the matter is is that the amount of border crossings have gone way down.
03:35:59
Jen Stone>> I get I grant that. That's great. But but the rest of it um with everything else that's going on, everyone else seemed to deport more people without >> Yeah. And left is doing everything they can to tie every case up they can in
03:36:12
Andrew Wilsoncourt. >> They do everything that they can The government has to spend all this money in court fighting with the lefties. >> Well, uh, that's due process, dude. >> That's not due process. It's
03:36:25
Jen Stoneobstruction. It's literally obstructionist leftist policy. They can't give a [ __ ] under Biden. >> ISIS going to court was literally going to courouses and arresting people during their court hearings. >> Good. >> Wow. They're doing the right thing by
03:36:37
Andrew Wilsongoing about the right way. >> That's not the right way. >> Following the law. >> No, the right way would not be coming here in the first place. That would be the right way. >> That way would not be showing. >> First of all, these [ __ ] people show
03:36:50
Andrew Wilsonup, they apply for amnesty when they know they don't qualify for it. They take advantage of the catch and release. They take advantage of everything they can possibly take advantage of. >> You would do the same. Doesn't make >> whether I would or not. I also assume
03:37:01
Andrew Wilsonthat the country that I was trying to get into would do the same as my country is and throw my ass out. >> Yeah. Um, that's what they would get to. But they we have due process and taking them out.
03:37:14
Jen Stoneillegal immigrants have due process >> in certain ways. Uh be um while they're in court, they don't even >> they're not listening to the judge's stance on it. They're literally picking them up from the courthouse while
03:37:25
Andrew Wilsonthey're trying to do the right thing the American way and arresting them. >> That's not the right thing. The right thing is not to come here illegally and then retroactively apply to stay. That's not the right thing. That's the wrong thing.
03:37:40
Andrew WilsonSo I don't know. Just like, oh, we're doing the right thing. It's like, "No, you're really not doing the right thing. You're doing the wrong thing." >> Well, I think they're also doing the wrong thing by um going ahead of >> Why even have a border? Should we just open the border?
03:37:54
Jen Stone>> No. >> Well, why not? Because everyone would want to come. >> And you just said like that would come strong sec border security. >> But why? >> Because if there's too many people, then yeah, we're obviously [ __ ]
03:38:07
Andrew Wilson>> So, grab them and throw their asses back in their country. >> Yeah. with due process. >> They're using due pro the problem is is that you can obstruct to the point of
03:38:17
Andrew Wilsonabsurdity using paper warfare using left-wing NOS's which they do in order to perform paper warfare to stop even the most hardened criminals from getting deported.
03:38:28
Jen Stone>> Well, I mean I think that's an issue with the system itself. Not you know that it's leftwing terrorists like Antifa. >> Oh my god. You can roll your eyes, but they're
03:38:40
Andrew Wilsonterrorists allocated as terrorists. >> They have been declared terrorists because that's exactly what they are. >> Everyone who says they don't like fascism as a terrorist or what?
03:38:49
Andrew Wilson>> That's not what Antifa is. Antifa you utilizes the idea of unorganization while they are secretly organizing. They use signal apps. They use all sorts of different things. We've watched these
03:39:00
Andrew Wilsonprotests live on my channel many, many, many times. You can literally watch them as uh they coordinate. You can watch as people come over and give interviews and most of them aren't even from the state.
03:39:12
Andrew WilsonThey're from three state neighboring states over. They're there whipping mobs up in front of federal buildings to obstruct ICE from doing its job for no reason. >> Well, >> although just Trump's a fascist, that's it.
03:39:24
Andrew Wilson>> Where all where are all these signal chats and stuff, though? >> Well, first you can go right this second to Cam Higgby. He has a uh an ex account. Go to Cam Higgby. I don't have it.
03:39:36
Andrew Wilson>> He he went in and infiltrated the signal chats at these various locations. >> Has that been verified? >> Yes. Not only verified, but easily. You can verify it right now. You can read the chats for yourself.
03:39:47
Jen Stone>> I'm not saying that people aren't doing that. But to to I mean that happens literally. >> Yeah. On both sides. There's crazy [ __ ] happening. But to label >> You say both sides again. But what
03:40:00
Brian Atlas>> they're just both sides. >> No, let me let me finish explaining. There there's right-wing people on signal chats opposing immigration enforcement. >> No, I mean in different situations like
03:40:10
Jen Stoneum there's probably left-wing people that tried to rile up the Jan Sixers and stuff. I think it goes both ways, but to label >> that would just still be one way
03:40:21
Jen Stone>> to to label anyone who's like I I just want to know how many how many of these uh hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people protesting are domestic
03:40:32
Andrew Wilsonterrorists because like there's like shadow dockets and stuff that um >> usually the ones who stay up after the protest is done start setting [ __ ] on fire, burning cop cars, setting up
03:40:43
Andrew Wilsondumpsters, fighting with police. They they burned two uh what's the the >> [ __ ] in California in Los Angeles. They were dropping rocks on cop cars. They did set on fire. They were setting
03:40:55
Andrew Wilsonthey were setting fire to local shops. We watched it all live. >> Wait, in California? >> Wait, were the BLM riots peaceful? >> No. >> No. She grants that, I guess.
03:41:07
Brian Atlas>> No. Um what was I saying, Sierra? Yeah, I I lose my >> moving things on a little bit. You said that to me. I guess I guess me and Andrew. You're a cancer on society but can't look in the mirror. You're way
03:41:19
Jen Stoneworse than Only Fans, lol. >> Yeah. Um, >> how am I worse than Only Fans? >> Because >> And why am I cancer on society? >> Well, I don't think I I was really mad at that. I already explained myself
03:41:30
Jen Stoneseveral times that I thought you didn't want to have real discussions and uh you had no accountability to the Trump thing. So I think it's a a cancer on
03:41:40
Jen Stonesociety is uh dividing um left and right and women versus men. Um instead of coming up for solutions to problems, you play the blame game um based off of Yeah. And then you don't
03:41:54
Jen Stoneshow a broad picture of what's happening. Like I think it would be great to have dudes um in the same age bracket um come on the show
03:42:03
Jen Stone>> then just go start a show. >> Yeah, I might do that. Um, and yeah, I just I just what is he? >> I don't think I think it's it's not just
03:42:14
Jen Stoneyou. It's the whole propaganda of the internet thing. And at that point in time, I thought you were kind of uh
03:42:23
Jen Stonenot picking and choosing people who wouldn't have like Yeah. who um um education or anything to be a good
03:42:33
Brian Atlasopponent. you DM, you DM the whatever Instagram, we let you on basically. I mean, if you can make it to Santa Barbara, you want to be on the show, we
03:42:43
Jen Stonepretty much let you on. Um, and then >> Yeah, I I think that anything Yeah, we let you on. >> Yeah, I I >> 140 IQ, we let you on.
03:42:53
Jen Stone>> I think and people who uh make things um left versus right and women verse men are doing harm to society. Um, >> well, really quick on that note, so I
03:43:05
Brian Atlasthink this all would be I think we can just blame feminism entirely as far as >> they went too far. >> Well, I think I think there's a reactionary component where
03:43:17
Brian Atlaswhere uh you basically had feminists on the offensive. You had feminists who were belligerent. You had feminists who are the aggressors with their narratives, with their attacks on men,
03:43:29
Brian Atlaswith their attacks on all kinds of systems, their their attacks on the family, you know, the even you might say, "Well, that you know that's that's uh what is it? Stage three um what are the different
03:43:41
Brian Atlas>> the the third uh >> third wave the waves?" Yeah. Uh no, feminism from its inception was anti-family. You can go back into the
03:43:50
Brian Atlas1800s, early 1900s and find uh anti-natalist, anti-f family uh perspectives in feminist dogma. >> I kind of disagree with like that on the
03:44:02
Brian Atlasfirst wave, >> right? But so feminism has always been uh antagonistic towards men. And so if you start poking at somebody, they're
03:44:13
Brian Atlasgoing to poke back. They're going to >> I get it. One extreme causes one extreme. >> Well, yeah. But so this idea that the blame would be on me. If femin if
03:44:22
Brian Atlassomebody's attacking me, I'm going to attack back. And so I didn't, you know, I I I I guess I just don't understand this this criticism of people have like
03:44:33
Brian Atlasa sort of reactionary response to feminism when feminism is extremely belligerent. It has all the it holds all the cards. It holds all the power. If you go to a university and you would
03:44:45
Brian Atlasagree universities their systems they have their institutions massive power they have massive in billion dollar perhaps in total trillion dollar endowments at all these institutions
03:44:56
Brian Atlasmassive influence there's not uh manosisphere classes being taught there's not red pill classes being taught there's not uh men's rights advocacy being taught in universities
03:45:08
Brian Atlasit's all feminism it's all women's studies gender studies feminist studies classes. My message >> most people don't even take those classes. >> How would it matter if everything it's not like it's it's mandatory?
03:45:20
Brian Atlas>> It extends beyond just the classes, the administration, it's all steeped in feminist ideology. Corporations, the media, the news, it's all steeped in feminist ideology. And so it's it's
03:45:32
Brian Atlasinteresting to me that you point to me in my podcast and perhaps a few other pod podcasters who have anti-feminist viewpoints and you want to say that, you
03:45:42
Brian Atlasknow, this is it's literally David and Goliath. I my message is I'm David. Feminism is the Goliath that I'm going up against. I don't have influence. I don't have power. But these feminists,
03:45:54
Jen Stonethey hold all the cards. They hold everything. Um I I get where you're coming from, but um one extreme causes a different extreme. Feminists went too far. And then
03:46:06
Brian Atlas>> anti-feminism is not extremism. It's counter extremism. Well, hold on. Let me phrase that better. It's counter to extremism. >> Well, I'd say I mean the first waves of
03:46:18
Jen Stonefemini feminism >> or even bad bad back then. Well, I mean, so back in my like from my research,
03:46:29
Jen Stoneum, like in the 50s, there was more drug use. 50% of 30 to 50% of men were creating, I mean, were committing adultery. It was more more common.
03:46:42
Jen Stone>> 50% of men were >> It said 33 to 50% of men were >> 1950s. >> Yeah. And then women was, I think, like 20%. The numbers have gone way more down. Like >> I don't know where. Okay.
03:46:55
Andrew Wilson>> Why are you laugh? And then >> because those are fake. >> They're not. Dude, everything's fake. >> Here, I'll tell you what. Take a second. >> Okay. >> Pull those numbers up and tell me where they're sourced.
03:47:08
Brian Atlas>> I know you don't know. That's why I'm asking you to do it. >> I am. >> I think feminism is a cancer on society and I'm the antidote. >> Well, yeah. I
03:47:18
Jen Stone>> And Andrew's the antidote. I think uh middle ground is probably the antidote. Like, hey, you went too far. Let's not try to take away your right to vote or anything. Let's let's all chill out here.
03:47:30
Brian Atlas>> I mean, even foundational feminist authors are like insanely misandressed. They're anti-male, anti- family. No, no, no. But it's not just like if if the
03:47:40
Brian Atlascore people of that movement are like you can pull up quotes. Actually, Jake Rattlesnake released this really interesting video recently where he's like pulled these quotes from all the
03:47:51
Brian Atlaslike Sally Miller, Gearhart, all these like foundational feminists. And if you take a feminist class, you're going to read you're going to hear from them. You're going to read their books. You're going to read their literature. >> All from ault feminism, by the way.
03:48:03
Brian Atlas>> They are uh they're they're [laughter] anti-male. They're man-haters. They're misanded to feminism. I mean, yeah, I don't call myself a feminist. Like, like I said,
03:48:15
Jen Stonewhen I came on the show before, I was fighting against everyone speaking to each other that way. Um, I think their extreme caused this extreme, and all I'm
03:48:26
Jen Stonesaying is let's um nobody should be extreme basically. Um, that isn't going to solve anything. we should find some sort of solutions like telling people it's not right to
03:48:39
Brian Atlashate men, telling people it's not right to to hate women. >> But the difference between me and a feminist is they would justify their contempt or hatred for men. I I don't even categorize I don't categorize
03:48:51
Brian Atlasmyself as a misogynist. I think women are great. I think women are great, but you'll find a lot of feminists, they love to justify their contempt and
03:49:01
Brian Atlashatred for men. And that's a difference. I can do I can do male advocacy without uh tearing down women. However, feminists have a very difficult time
03:49:12
Brian Atlasdoing female women's advocacy without trying to tear down men. And that's the difference. >> I think where it kind of uh blurs the lines for me is
03:49:23
Jen Stoneum because there's like no dumb young men giving their viewpoints to. So, not only does it flame frame just the left
03:49:32
Brian Atlasas dumb asses, but it um also women. Um >> wait, hold on. You've had the entire media apparatus for the past 30, 40 years. If you look at sitcoms, you look
03:49:44
Brian Atlasyou look at the media, you look at commercials, they paint men as these these sort of oaths. The father figures, the sort Homer Simpson, uh you look at Friends, you look at sitcoms, you don't
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Brian Atlashave really good representations of a more traditional masculinity in mass media. You look at Homer, they're just oaths. You paint, they paint men as oaths. >> So this idea that Brian, you're you're painting women in these ways. By the
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Brian Atlasway, I'm giving women a microphone to open their mouths. I'm not making women look stupid. If women come on the show, >> but everyone's a freaking >> Wait, you're saying the women are stupid? Well, that's very sexist. >> But I think No, I think a lot of dudes
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Jen Stoneare equally as stupid. That's my whole point. Have some of the dumb asses on, too. Like, are there Trump supporters in that same age group? That would be awesome. That would be so cool. >> Just give us Why don't you start a show
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Jen Stoneand only invite men on? >> I I would invite some of >> And there's women who do that anyways. There's women who do that same thing. >> Yeah. I mean, that's y'all do make a lot
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Jen Stoneof good points and things, but I think um Yeah, I think you should be able to see both sides of the dumbass dudes who are also being idiots. It's equal. >> There's stupid men out there. >> It's really an issue with our
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Brian Atlaseducational system more than left or right. Like, everybody is dumb. Like, that's a problem we should solve. It's a bit vague, but you wrote that Andrew's been talking about all the [ __ ] and of
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Jen Stonecourse has grotesque views. Y'all only want to debate dumb asses. So, what are Andrew's grotesque views? Or did we already get into that? >> I think we pretty much already did. It's
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Jen StoneIt's just really the [ __ ] he says about periods. And >> who should I debate? >> I mean, I know >> James. She wants you to >> Yeah, I know that guy, but who else? Who should I debate? Um, I know you debate
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Andrew Wilsonpeople of all types, but um, >> should I debate everybody? >> Hey, maybe do a Charlie Kirk thing, like situation. >> Don't I do that? Don't I debate basically all sorts of people from all walks of life at all times? >> Remind me what the question was, cuz I
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Jen Stonehad a point. >> That's my question. My question. >> I was going to answer his question. >> You said that Andrew had grotesque views. Oh, just like the the I've heard
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Jen Stonehim through a lot of his stuff like um really basically he doesn't believe in democracy a lot talking about
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Andrew Wilson>> how's that a grotesque view? >> Um talking about how there's a law >> how is not believing that democracy is a great system a grotesque view >> because you have a constitutional republic.
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Jen Stone>> Yeah, it's a constitutional republic. He said it's a horrible idea and then um Christian nationalism to I don't care about any of that. I just care about one question.
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Andrew Wilson>> Why is opposing democracy a grotesque idea? >> When you're trying to replace it with >> That's not my question. >> Opposing democracy. >> So opposing democracy itself is not a
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Jen Stonegrotesque idea. >> Um I don't think that is. But when you're using power to take away people's rights and uh not let people get married
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Jen Stoneand um yeah taking dominance >> you talking about gay you talking about gay marriage? >> Yeah. Uh it's okay to be a Christian uh
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Jen Stoneleader but um >> wouldn't that be coherent for the Christian worldview though >> that gay people can't um >> from a Christian? Majority of Christians believe gay marriage should be legal.
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Jen Stone>> That's not true. >> I'll look it up. >> Mhm. And then look up what a nominal Christian is, too. >> I know what a nominal Christian is, but the majority of people aren't nominal. You mean the people that go to church
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Andrew Wilsonall the time. >> So you So if you say the majority of Christians, you're actually saying that >> nominal Christians, meaning people who don't practice their faith, >> but the ones who do practice their faith. >> Jesus never said you have to go to
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Andrew Wilsonchurch. I'm not I'm not interested in what you think Jesus said. >> I'm interested in this. What is a nominal Christian? >> Someone who has a nomination and goes to church regularly. >> No, the opposite. >> A nomination.
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Andrew Wilson>> Huh? >> A nominal Christian. >> Oh, someone that doesn't have Can Stop, bro. >> What? >> I'm looking. >> Yeah. So, so >> when you're talking about people who are
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Jen Stonenot nominal Christians though, what do they say about gay marriage? Um some of them are for some of them are against. >> The overwhelming majority majority of them are against but um legally I don't
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Jen Stone>> some people actually practice their faith from from Christianity. But if you look at the statistics, 10% of people are are a-h nationalists. Out of the 32%
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Jen Stoneor whatever that are conservatives, um it's like 40% of them want to. It's only 40 literally less than half of them.