Andrew Wilson & Brian Atlas vs. 140 IQ Woke Leftist Feminist HATER! | Whatever Debates 24
Date: 2026-02-20
Duration: 5h 17m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Jen Stone(guest)
SPEAKER_03Andrew Wilson(host)
SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
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IntroBrian opens debate introducing Andrew Wilson and Jen Stone. Jen corrects IQ to 143, rejects labels.
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Key MomentAndrew begins internal critique of Jen's both-siding approach
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QuoteAndrew: 'I do hate leftists... God will punish my soul for it'
00:40:00
Key MomentAndrew catches Jen in contradiction: wants to raise corporate taxes (raises prices) while opposing tariffs (also raises prices)
00:56:00
Key MomentAndrew performs internal critique: Jen can't articulate why everyone should vote beyond 'my heart tells me'
01:32:00
Key MomentBrian outlines selective service position. Jen surprisingly agrees women should have same requirements.
02:05:00
Key MomentAndrew demolishes Jen's theology. She can't explain Acts, denies divinity of Christ.
02:50:00
ControversyJen calls Trump pedo protector. Andrew demands evidence. Jen can't name specific accusers.
03:34:00
AgreementAndrew grants Jen's criticism about Trump's anti-Israel speech stance
04:23:00
Key MomentBrian turns tables: Jen's Instagram promotes grandfather's pseudoscientific ESP/telepathy books
05:00:00
RelationshipJen: 38, single, frozen eggs, body count 10-20 (3 in last 8 years), last relationship 4 years
Topics Discussed
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Political Unity Opening
Jen argues both sides fighting for same things. Should unite against corporate corruption.
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Immigration and Deportation
Jen wants strong borders but pathway for long-term residents. Andrew argues amnesty undermines rule of law.
00:46:00
Voting Rights and Democracy
Andrew argues democracy is flawed. Jen supports competency tests. Andrew performs internal critique - Jen can't ground why everyone should vote.
01:06:00
Brian's Criticisms of Jen's DMs
Brian reads Jen's harsh messages calling him fake, cancer on society, grifter. Heated meta-conversation.
02:00:00
Christianity, Paul, and Jesus
Jen rejects Paul's epistles, believes in reincarnation, sees Jesus as prophet. Andrew demolishes her theological positions.
02:49:00
Trump, Epstein, Pedo Protector Allegations
Jen calls Trump predator/pedo protector. Andrew demands evidence. Jen can't cite specifics.
04:05:00
Candace Owens and Grifting
Jen accuses Brian of grifting. Brian turns tables by examining her grandfather's pseudoscientific books.
04:59:00
Personal Life Wind-Down
Jen shares dating life, frozen eggs. Brian and Andrew joke about aliens.
Transcript
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Brian AtlasWelcome to a debate edition of the Whatever podcast. We're coming to you live from Santa Barbara, California. A few quick announcements before the show begins. This podcast is viewer supported. Please consider donating
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Brian Atlasgoing to jump right into it. Uh I'm joined today by Andrew Wilson. He's the host of The Crucible. He's a blood sports debater and political
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Brian Atlascommentator. Also joining us today is Jen Stone. She is a 140 IQ woke feminist leftist hater. >> What? I'm not any of that. >> Oh, sorry. Well, okay. Well, do you want
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Jen Stoneto introduce yourself then? >> I'm not. Okay. I Isn't that what my um introduction speech is? >> Well, you can intro yourself and then if you want to just go right into your
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Jen Stoneopening. >> I'm not a feminist or what what did you all say? It was >> uh woke feminist leftist hater. >> I'm not leftist either. I don't hate anybody. And okay, my IQ technically is
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Brian Atlasat 140. So, >> is it higher? >> 143. >> I'm I apologize. >> By the way, >> please make the correction. Let the record show [laughter] >> her IQ is in fact 143 and not 140 as I erroneously state.
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Brian Atlas>> I don't like labels that the labels you're giving me. >> Gotcha. Uh do you want to just just go ahead into your opening statement? >> Sure.
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Jen StoneThis is why I'm here is um the population likes to give such labels to everybody like 50% of the population is
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Jen Stoneeither woke or a Nazi. Um and I think that's contributing to the downfall of our nation. Um Andrew said when I was on the show that
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Jen Stonehe hates people like me the most who don't take sides. Um, from the way I see it, I have a broader picture of what's
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Jen Stoneactually happening in the world, um, it's not like I agree with everybody on each side, but everybody
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Jen Stonehas something to say that can contribute, um, to society. Um, and people tend to just like turn off
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Jen Stonesomething the first time they hear something they don't agree with and say bad things about people. Um, but when they dig deeper, um, everybody >> is this part of your opening or is this
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Jen Stonepart of your This is the opening. Okay. >> Everybody has good points on [ __ ] Um, from what I see from my bigger perspective is while we're fighting over
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Jen Stonebathrooms and the Super Bowl and all of that nonsense, um, yeah, crazy shit's happening and it's been happening for a long time. It's on
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Jen Stoneboth sides. um um starting, you know, around the 1970s with um with uh Citizens United and Quick Pro
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Jen StoneQuo and um just changing of our the um corporate taxes, not really paying much taxes anymore. Um
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Jen Stoneum it kind of seems like we're all fighting for the same thing. In Andrew's perspective, he wants to bring back the 1950s because
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Jen Stonethere's less debauchery and family values. And the left wants um a tax structure um that's more towards the
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Jen Stone1950s as well, which is basically at like the Bernie Sanders level of, you know, yeah, uh taxes, which I don't advocate
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Jen Stonefor completely that to happen. Um, but they're basically fighting for the same thing and blame the other people for taking it away if that makes sense. Um,
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Jen Stoneand both side has h have good points. Um, they just think each other is to blame. And if you look at the bigger picture, um, yeah, I don't I don't know. Um, people
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Jen Stoneneed to look instead of going to the back to the past, we should strive to solve issues for the future. Um because with AI coming and stuff like nothing is
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Jen Stonegoing to be traditional. We're in a a new it's a new revolution, a new age. So why are we trying to bring back something that will never happen again?
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Jen StoneUm and basically last thing is I don't care who you vote for. Um I'm I'm calling it the great awakening. Uh, one
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Jen Stonething we can, most of us agree on is to stop supporting people who um who have lots of donors from super PACs. um
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Jen Stoneum support people who want to change these flaws in our system that are have created what some would say the um the
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Jen Stonedeep state um the Epstein class uh voted out all the old boomers who are just corporate puppets that goes on both
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Brian Atlassides and that's really the only way um that we could start putting the pieces back together basically that's it. Uh just one really quick thing. I know Andrew has a bunch of notes that he wanted to jump into. At the very
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Brian Atlasbeginning of your opening, you conflated uh for example, people on the right um calling the other side woke and that you you compared that to people on the left calling people on the right Nazis. Do
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Brian Atlasyou think that that's an equivalent comparison? Because I think levying the label of Nazi towards somebody who's right-wing is or like orders of magnitude a more egregious perhaps
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Brian Atlasmislabeling than just calling somebody woke. Woke doesn't seem to have quite the gravy toss. >> Yes. >> Uh and neg like it's not quite as negative as Nazi.
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Jen Stone>> I agree with that. But when they say woke like he he calls everyone Marxist and communists. Um Andrew I mean >> only Marxist and communist. Huh?
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Jen Stone>> Only Marxist and communist. >> And you call them like what you always use the word the word debaultry. >> Degenerous. >> Degeneracy. And um >> only degenerates
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Jen Stone>> and just Yeah. Um yeah, I don't call anyone a Nazi. Um that's why I'm saying I'm not >> Would you call a Nazi a Nazi? >> For sure.
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Jen StoneUm and then calling people who are protesting. um domestic terrorists. I think it goes extreme on both sides. >> Can I ask you something? >> Because you're both citing it. What you're doing is >> I'm not both starting it. I lean more left.
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Jen Stone>> It's called a >> I I'm a libertarian. I've talked about this. >> Calm down. I haven't said a word. >> Okay. >> Okay. What you're doing is called both siding. It's a It's a the attempt to
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Andrew Wilsonpretend that you have neutral positions when you don't have neutral positions. And that's what you're doing is you're both siding. For instance, you said you're talking about Nazis and woke. Andrew, you call everybody a degenerate.
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Andrew WilsonAndrew, you call everybody a Marxist? No, I call Marxist Marxist. I call communist communist. I call degenerates degenerates. I ask you, would you call a Nazi a Nazi? Yeah. So, what's the
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Jen Stonedifference? Some of the ways you describe people I don't agree with um without >> is it is somebody who participates in gang bangs nightly a degenerate? >> Yes.
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Andrew Wilson>> Okay. Is somebody >> the majority of people on the left aren't doing gang bangs? >> That's not what I'm asking though. Is somebody who uh says that they're a Stalinist communist are they Marxist?
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Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. So, and then as somebody who who is wearing a uniform that says SS and has a swasta on it, are they a Nazi? >> Yes. But you're conflating half the
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Jen Stonepopulation as one thing and half the population as something else. >> When have I done the these? >> I've literally watched when have I done your interviews? Not all of them. I've Yeah. And you literally say, "I hate I know I'm Christian and but I hate the
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Andrew Wilsonleft." >> I do. It's true. >> Yeah. I mean, >> I do [ __ ] hate leftists. >> Yeah. It's >> God will one day punish my eternal soul >> for the fact that I just cannot bring myself to not hate [ __ ] leftism.
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Jen Stone>> Well, okay, then you shouldn't be preaching morals to the world. >> Why not? >> Because of false >> preach the morals, just don't do it in the name of Jesus if you're going against what Jesus says. >> So, just be perfect. >> Don't be perfect, but you
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Andrew Wilson>> So, how imperfect am I? >> Don't be vain. You're not supposed to be vain. >> How is that vanity? That's me. That's the opposite of vanity. me saying I have a the the a moral failing, right? An aspect of my own morality that's very
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Andrew Wilsondifficult for me to a demon that's very difficult for me to surmount, which is I know I'm not supposed to hate people. I know that. But I also can't [ __ ] help a hate leftist. I can't.
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Andrew Wilson>> And by the way, that's a struggle that Christians all over the United States have every single day. Wouldn't it be the opposite of vanity if I say to people if I if I were to go, "Hey, I'm
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Andrew Wilson[ __ ] perfect in every conceivable way. I'm without [snorts] flaw. I am awesome in every conceivable way." That's vanity. Wouldn't the opposite of vanity me being me saying, "Look, I know
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Andrew Wilsonthat I have a high moral standard." And I know I myself at times don't live up to that high moral standard, which is part of Christian ethics. Isn't that the opposite of being vain?
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Jen Stone>> No. I think being vain is not working on it and then openly saying like you did to Charlie, I'm better than you and calling her dumb and stuff like that. I don't think that's the correct way to go about it. >> She shouldn't open her stupid mouth
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Jen Stoneabout my wife then. >> That was before that happened actually. It was right before. But >> no, it wasn't. Yes, it was. >> No, it wasn't. It was after. I'll bet
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Andrew Wilsonyou a hundred bucks it was after. >> I know for sure the stupid thing became came before. Well, perhaps we shouldn't have a meta conversation about >> Well, no, that's true. I called her I
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Andrew Wilsoncalled her stupid, but stupid has nothing to do with Did I attacking her family? No, I didn't do any of that. Me saying you have a stupid position or that's idiotic or that's moronic,
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Jen Stone>> right? That's light stuff. >> Well, like blessed are the meek. Blessed are the peacemakers. And the thing about Christianity is you're supposed to be is you're supposed to strive and work to be
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Jen Stonefor the way I perceive Jesus is literally trying to get to disciplehip which means like following all of the commandments and not using like being
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Jen Stoneforgiven as and being um a sinner as an excuse to keep doing it. You have to always work towards being
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Jen Stonebetter instead of just accepting like, >> oh, this is me. Um, >> yeah, you have to work for that. Um, and it doesn't >> I've told this story many times, the story of the monk. I don't know if
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Andrew Wilsonyou've heard that before. It was a monk who was an alcoholic his entire life and then when he died, people were crying and one monk said, "Why are you crying?" He was drunk his entire life and they were so happy because he had cut his
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Andrew Wilsonbooze consumption down by half. just meant that the entirety he was trying to overcome that demon his entire life and he couldn't quite do it. >> Okay, I get it. I understand. >> Right? If you think that I don't
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Andrew Wilsonstruggle with the fact that there I do have heavy hatred in my heart for leftists, you're wrong. Struggle with it all the time. I understand that I'm not a perfect person. I've always understood I'm not a perfect person. I also understand these people do everything
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Jen Stonethat they can to make sure I [ __ ] hate them, too. everything they can do to make sure >> lack of education. Um so yeah um >> they're the most educated people on both sides. They're the most educated people
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Jen Stoneon the planet. >> Who the the only vegan girls you have on the show? >> No. Leftists. >> Yes. And you think with more education comes more wisdom or >> That's what your point just was 5 seconds ago. 5 seconds ago you're like
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Jen Stoneit's lack of education. >> People on your on like this that comes on this show is what I was talking about. Most of them have more education than I do. >> Yeah. That's why I see things from a bigger picture. Our educational system
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Jen Stoneis [ __ ] Like I watch this show and I'm like, "Wow, where's where's the world coming to?" But I also watch on the left when they ask similar questions about history and stuff and government
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Jen Stoneand they're just as they're just as clueless. So I I that's why I think I have an advantage. No, they're just monstrous >> of just >> they're just monsters. >> Seeing the bigger picture of like
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Jen Stone>> I mean, we're all we're all [ __ ] up. We're all kind of dumb. And um instead of fighting each other, maybe we should just work on fixing the issues. >> Yeah. The problem is is that we can't even agree on what the descriptors of
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Jen Stonethe issues are. >> Well, I think we should start with just um what do they call it? Table issues. We don't we all can agree. Give me give me a table issue.
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Jen Stone>> Um, a good economy. We can all agree on ending corruption. >> Okay, great. So, >> we can all agree on Yeah, >> let's start with this. Like a good economy. Would you agree with me that it
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Andrew Wilsonwould lower housing prices if we were to deport every illegal immigrant tomorrow? >> Yes. >> Okay, great. Do you think that the left's going to go along with that? >> No. >> No. So, I don't understand how So, how is it that when you have a table issue,
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Andrew Wilsonyou say, "Okay, here's an issue. I want a good economy. Go. Okay, great. If we [clears throat] start with Hang on, hang on, hang on. Let me finish the point. Okay. >> How is it that if I can't find any
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Andrew Wilsoncommon ground with these people, how are we supposed to uh surmount these ideological differences? Exactly. Tell me how to do that >> there. If you stick to the basic common
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Jen Stoneground, first of all, like most Yeah. the housing mark market issue is isn't an issue of like it might contribute like the legals might contribute a
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Andrew Wilsonlittle bit but um yeah that that's what I mean you can't even agree on descriptors >> so if we can't even agree on descriptors of problems how is it that you expect that we're >> you have to look at everything as a full picture
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Jen Stone>> stop let finish all right I'll tell you what let's do it this way tell me the full picture >> the full picture and in my imaginary you know, perfect situation of how to
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Jen Stonefix things is the first thing we need to do is vote out all the the puppets and vote. >> Hang on. Who's we? >> We the people. Everyone on both sides.
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Jen Stone>> Forget the culture wars. Let's just have a a a small truce until the agreed upon terms are agreed upon and then we can get to the to the cultural issues. >> Okay. And who are the puppets we're
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Jen Stonevoting out? What are their names? >> What are the puppets names? Um, well, it's not just one person. It's um the corporations, the CIA. >> The corporations aren't names of people. Who are the puppets we're voting out?
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Jen StoneWhat are their names? >> Oh, um, just vote based off of the packs that have contributed to their funds. But I'm asking about names. What are the names of the people we should be voting out? >> Mostly all of them.
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Jen Stone>> Who? >> Give me some names. >> Um, I can say who to keep. Keep Thomas Massie. keep Rand Paul. Um [clears throat] MTJ, you know, I'm sure she's going to come
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Jen Stoneback on the the left. Um what's the dude that was teaming with? Um >> yeah, I know. But who are the So who are the global puppets that we're going to
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Jen Stonecome together to get rid of? There's easy ways to to look at this is to there's websites where you can look at their um campaign fund contributions
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Jen Stoneand you can actually see how they vote on certain things whether um it seems directly correlated to like money or um or packs like >> do you see the vag do you see how vague
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Andrew Wilsonyou are when you're hang on you're saying what you're doing is you're saying it's us versus them we versus those. Okay, I understand that. But who's the we and who are the they? the we are we the
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Jen Stonepeople deciding to >> well these are people >> whoever's on your side if they if you elected them and they promised all these things and they're going directly
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Jen Stoneagainst what you elected them for plus contribute have pack um um contributions from like corporations and if they're
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Andrew Wilsongetting rich um by trading stock um that sort of thing then maybe they should go. >> Yeah. But the problem is is that we live in a democracy. Democracies are set up
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Andrew Wilsonin power structures and the power structures are set up based around people's interests. So people have learned that they can raid the treasury by having x amount of people who are representing their interest in office. >> Exactly. >> So there is no hang on hang on. No, if
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Andrew Wilsonif that's exactly then your point's contradicted. No. >> Yeah. I'll [clears throat] hang on. I'm going to explain how your points contradicted >> because there is no we. There is no collective. What there is is there's a
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Andrew Wilsonwhole bunch of different power blocks all competing for their own interests in the United States for power. >> Yeah, I agree. >> That's what's happening. I >> So when you say we should put our petty differences aside, well, they're not
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Andrew Wilsonpetty differences. >> They're massive differences. There is no collective we. There's groups and blocks of people who are competing for power utilizing democratic process. That's
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Andrew Wilsonwhat's happening. So how do you plan on surmounting that barrier? How can I go >> vote for people? >> I'll vote. We're going to vote harder. We're going to vote our way out of this. >> Do either that or revolution. This is my last attempt. This is
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Andrew Wilson>> Who are we? Who are we having a revolution against? The voting block is just as bad as the elites they put in power. So, who the [ __ ] are we supposed to revolt against? Am I supposed to revolt? Let's say I did. Let's say we
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Andrew Wilsondid tomorrow. We revolted against the government. Let's just say, right? Who's we then? Which power block is revoling against which a wi which block of government in order to get power? Which
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Andrew Wilsonone am I supposed to support? Because the way that the democracy is set up, it's not a monolith. It is independent power interest and they're all voting against the interest of other people and
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Jen Stonein their own interest. That's why we need to hire people who have taken out pack money and their biggest objectives um to [clears throat] start off with is
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Andrew Wilsonrepealing the the laws that got this situation here to begin with. >> Yeah. But the problem you can't do that and here's why. If you have you have packs and super PACs out there right now who are supporting abortion rights for
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Andrew Wilsonwomen, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. So all the people who want abortion rights, all the women who want abortion rights, they want those packs donating. They think they're benevolent.
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Andrew WilsonThey think that's good. And so on the other side, the people who are anti-abortion, who think that you're murdering tons and tons and tons of children, right? They support pack endeavors, which are designed to put
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Jen Stonepoliticians in place, which will put local legislation against things like abortion. >> I'd say no packs. What what I would do in a perfect world is get rid of [snorts] the packs alto together and use
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Jen Stonegovernment funding >> and give them all equal equal amount to campaign on and take take that out of >> so you're going to give all the power of the vote to the media
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Andrew Wilson>> to the media. Yeah. And I mean there's more than just media. So let's say that >> there's more than just the media. There's door knocking. There's >> if you had let's say you had um four politicians, right? And all of them were
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Andrew Wilsonfunded with public financing. They all got the same amount. Let's say it was $1 million, right? Let's just say it was whichever politician mass media covers the most. That's actually going to be
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Andrew Wilsonthe politician that wins. It doesn't matter how it doesn't matter the money at that point because media who's covering them. They'll always be able to pump in whatever money they want. They'll end up electing the person that they want.
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Jen Stone>> Well, maybe we should make laws against that as well. How what what do those look like? >> You don't Yeah, exactly. You don't know. >> You don't know the whole >> I'm not a lawmaker. My whole thing is us as a people.
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Jen Stone>> I thought you had this great bird's eye view and understood how it all works. >> I understand what's happening and and I understand if we all work together, we can start making some steps in the right direction. >> How are we going to work together? We can't even agree on the issue. the whole
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Jen StoneI don't know what you've been watching but this has been spreading all over media that we're of this pact or of we all agree on America first we all agree on >> we don't agree on that
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Jen Stone>> the the majority of us do >> no the majority of us don't >> yes America America first was kind of more of a dump thing like we were tired of all the wars this whole time America first kind of came in
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Andrew Wilson>> no America first was the idea was Trump capturing the idea of the American family. Again, the idea that you could have a single income and support an entire family by utilizing a tax system
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Andrew Wilsonbased on tariffs against our enemies and making it fair again. That was one of the that was the probably the core idea of America. Hang on, hang on, let me finish my point. The core idea of America first was that,
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Andrew Wilson>> right? The idea that he was going to get rid of all the illegal immigrants, things like that. Yes, that's true. that that was a core part of his message, but ultimately it was try to trying to reinvigorate and recapture the idealism of the American family. That is what
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Jen StoneAmerica First really was. >> Well, I'd say the majority of the population believes America first is taking care of um us before we start bombing people and funding Israel and
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Jen Stonebailing people out. >> I agree. But that but who who's we again when you say taking care of us first? We is the American. same thing because you act like dims don't want to have
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Brian Atlasfamilies and stuff. >> They [ __ ] hate families. >> Can you look up the statistics on that? >> Uh there actually is is something on this. Um hey uh Nathan, can you go pull up the Discord? Do you know our Discord? >> Well,
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Brian Atlas>> uh we do have some data on this. I have an infographic. Uh Nathan, let me know when you you're on the Discord. >> Okay. So, you're going to scroll down. There's a research tab in our Discord.
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Brian AtlasUh so that it's not a uh it's it's closer to the bottom and you're going to see whatever stats infographics. Do you see the infographics?
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Brian Atlas>> Okay. And then if you scroll three up, uh do you see the NBC News decision desk poll? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, uh
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Brian Atlasyou're going to click on that and then there's two photos. Click on the first one and then sorry put it window tab. Uh click on the
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Brian Atlasimage. All right. Uh you you might have to uh h I'm just going to read it. But so this
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Brian Atlasis women who voted for Harris. They have uh this is the importance to personal definition of success. So at the very top for women who voted for Harris
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Brian AtlasDemocrats fulfilling job career 51%. at the very bottom. Uh here, you're going to have to hide us. Uh okay. In the sources tab, do you see where it says right corner? Just hide us temporarily.
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Brian AtlasYeah. So, it says uh for women who vote for Harris, it's uh being married 6%, having children 6%. And then mouse over to the next image.
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Brian AtlasUh yeah, click that one and then click on it. And this is uh men who vote for Harris. Being married 11%, having children 9%. You can compare and contrast that with the women who voted
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Brian Atlasfor Trump versus the uh men who voted for Trump. Interestingly enough, can you go back to the other one? >> Uh so men who voted for Trump having
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Brian Atlaschildren uh is at the very top there being married 29 and you contrast that with women who vote for Harris. Actually men who voted for Trump have a higher priority for uh having children being married than even women who vote for
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Brian AtlasTrump. Can you just pull up the other one really quick again? Uh so even women who vote for Trump, they they actually rank being married and having children lower than men who vote for Trump, but it's still greater
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Jen Stonethan uh Democrats. >> I think what contributes to that is um where we are financially. Um I do agree
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Jen Stonethere's more people on the left that don't want kids. Um, but the we were raised >> because they're antiatalist monsters. [laughter] >> See there antiatalism. >> See, that's what you got to work on.
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Jen StoneOkay. So, >> well, I mean, what do you want me to say? >> When the when the baby boom happened, right? >> The the baby boom. >> Yeah. Like, you know, boomers
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Jen Stone>> and all of that. It's it happened um when our economy was in a great space like um and yeah um I think people are waiting to get married till they're
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Brian Atlasolder and have kids till they're older because >> feminism >> well I mean yeah that has a part to it but um it's freaking expensive. Andrew was asking you a good question as to,
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Brian Atlasyou know, you're saying we should all unite and get together and but Andrew said, well, we don't even agree on some of these basic issues. Just curious, what's your position on what? But he brought up uh illegal immigration, for
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Brian Atlasexample, and how that has an impact on the economy. The housing stock in this country is diminished if it's, you know, occupied by illegal immigrants. Are you in favor of uh deporting all the illegal
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Brian Atlasimmigrants in this country? >> Um, I have a middle ground. I would deport >> both sides. >> The world has middle ground. Literally nothing is black and white. Two questions. Can I finish the answer? >> Yeah. Yeah. Just let me let me revise
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Brian Atlasthe question. Deport two questions. Hold on. Uh should we completely bar like have stronger border protection? Yes. So barring people from entering the country illegally. And then the second question of the people who have arrived here
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Jen Stoneillegally who are here. Uh should we just deport them? Um my stance is for sure have um the best border security as
00:26:52
Jen Stonepossible. As for the people who have been here for a long time, have created businesses and um really integrated into our society uh with no criminal records.
00:27:04
Jen StoneI think it's actually cheaper to um come up with a plan for for them to um become legal instead of kicking them out. >> So amnesty. >> Yeah. I mean, they have to pay like if
00:27:16
Jen Stonethey don't, a lot of them do pay taxes, but back taxes and fines and um get on the list and there definitely should be some like fines. >> So, when we get together
00:27:27
Jen Stoneto agree on these table issues, right? >> Yeah. >> Should we agree with you and give amnesty to these people? We financially I think it's cheaper um first of all but
00:27:42
SPEAKER_04um >> would it be cheaper to not >> Well, hang on a second Brian because I'm just I think as America and a democracy uh we should all work together and it's not all black or white like the most right or to the
00:27:55
Andrew Wilson>> But that's not my question. My question is is like when we say we here, >> you know, um most people on the right >> Yeah. Okay. We vote on it. We did. We voted in Trump.
00:28:06
Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. So the so the thing is is like the here here's the question though. The question is um should we when you say we the collective we who are all supposed
00:28:18
Andrew Wilsonto be working hand in hand should we just follow what you're saying and get rid or I'm sorry give amnesty to illegals. >> Um I think if you look at um what the
00:28:29
Jen Stonepolls say um the majority of people aren't cool with what's happening. Um they think >> about ICE. Mhm. >> Yeah. They think it went too far and it's not really. We all agree law and
00:28:40
Jen Stoneorder is necessary, but the way it's um been [clears throat] going about. >> Well, it's amazing to me that you want the collective we to get together to do things you want. >> It's I think we we all want we we're all
00:28:52
Jen Stonetired of the hate. Um >> yeah, I don't think that there's a collective we. When you say we, you just mean me. >> Okay. No, I'm not. I I watch both left and right politics. We're all talking
00:29:02
Jen Stoneabout the same [ __ ] Mhm. >> Um, that's what I get from not picking sides completely. Literally, the Trump's poll numbers are like 37 right
00:29:14
Jen Stonenow. All of the >> podcast Obama's poll numbers were really low, too. >> All of the podcasters who helped get Trump elected, except for a few, they all agree with what I'm saying. Even
00:29:26
Jen Stone>> which ones? >> Like Joe Rogan, um, David Smith, uh, Candace Owens. >> You think Joe Rogan agrees with you? that Ice went too far. Yeah, he said it in his videos. >> He didn't say it when I was talking to
00:29:39
Andrew Wilsonhim. >> I don't know if you've watched Joe Rogan, but he kind of like agrees with everything. >> I don't know if you talked to Joe Rogan, but I have. >> Yeah, I saw you. >> I don't know what you're talking. But no, that didn't appear to be what his position was. He appeared to think we
00:29:52
Andrew Wilsonpull that up. >> He appeared to think that leftists >> were part of a massive [snorts] uh conspiracy. And what that I saw that I watched episode. >> Yeah. So then what are you talking
00:30:02
Jen Stoneabout? He's saying the the riots did, but in his previous videos, he said that ICE went too far and um >> No, he didn't actually say that. >> And with the masks and >> what he said he was making
00:30:15
Jen Stone>> his recent video, he was he was he had the conspiracy that um like it was orchestrated uh >> a reason for to cover up uh the fraud
00:30:27
Jen Stonethat was happening in Minnesota. that it's not a conspiracy the fact of the matter what's happening is funded by by different sides. I agree with that. But he does agree ICE in general has gone too far and Trump with the way he's
00:30:41
Andrew Wilson>> that's not what I heard from him. >> Can we look it up? >> You you want to take an out of context clip cuz I know the one you're referencing. >> No, I watch every one of his episodes. >> Okay. What then what was the episode called? >> There was multiple of them. We have to go back.
00:30:53
Jen Stone>> So name one of them. >> Does anyone know names of people's episodes? >> Yes. I think I think it was maybe a Dave Smith episode. Can we look this up, internet? >> Uh, I mean, I don't know if there's
00:31:06
SPEAKER_04copyright considerations if we pull up a clip. >> But not just that. Beside I'll just I'll even Grant Rogan. Let's just say that Rogan does. He >> not just Rogan is all over there. Okay. Who Who else? >> Dave Smith. Candace Owens. >> Dave. Okay. Dave Smith's a libertarian
00:31:20
Andrew Wilson>> libertarian. I know. >> Dave Smith's a libertarian, right? Not a right-winger at all. Well, Candace Owens is a conspiracy nut case. >> Literally half your side is a con
00:31:30
Andrew Wilsonconspiracy nut case. Joe Rogan is too. I love it. Most of the conspiracies come out true. >> Um, >> they do. Do they? >> I mean, to a point. Yeah. >> You know what my brother said? >> My brother said something really funny.
00:31:44
Andrew WilsonI'm about to get I'm about to get whatever cancelled. My brother said something super funny. He said that Candace Owen needs to get to the back of the algorithm. That's not >> He said that from us. [laughter]
00:31:56
Brian AtlasI Yeah. Anyway, >> just to be fair, I did look up your claim about Joe Rogan apparently in an episode January 2026. This is an AI overview. Sometimes it's incorrect, but
00:32:07
Brian Atlasat least it does say that he Joe Rogan compared their tactics to the Gestapo and did suggest they went too far by detaining individuals including US citizens on the streets without proper
00:32:20
Andrew Wilsoncause. First of all, I saw that episode, right? And in context, he was having a conversation about this with the guest. He wasn't actually adopting that position. That's one. The second is
00:32:30
Andrew Wilson>> that's what he does in all of us. The second the second is is that uh his his position at least when I talked to him was that he understood that hey there is
00:32:41
Andrew Wilsondefinitely an orchestrated plan by leftists in order to agitate using a ma and they use a mathematical formula to do it. They agitate in order to get feds
00:32:52
Andrew Wilsonto overreact and when the feds overreact then they justify their garbage [ __ ] politics by saying that they're the Gestapo. Well, there's a the same thing conspiracy on the right that if you look
00:33:04
Jen Stoneat project 2025 beforehand it it um and yeah, it kind of plans this sort of thing using military action and stuff. Um >> well, hold on before we get into project
00:33:15
Brian Atlas2025. Even even >> Yeah, there's the same conspiracy on the grant. Look, even if we're going to go ahead and grant and say yes, ICE has made certain mistakes here. You know, law enforcement uh law enforcement,
00:33:27
Brian Atlasthey're they're humans. They make mistakes. uh all lot you know in all kinds of different professions people make mistakes law enforcement makes makes mistakes but in terms of their core mission their foundational base
00:33:38
Brian Atlasmission which is to de deport genuine illegal immigrants do you object to their core mission >> I don't object to that but the one thing >> yeah you do you want amnesty
00:33:48
Jen Stone>> not not complete amnesty okay um it's a long-term um solution but another Joe Rogan quote was and a lot of others said that we >> Joe Rogan's not I know we voted to to
00:34:00
Andrew Wilsondeport all the criminals. >> He's not. But that it's not just that. >> It's not just him either. It's it's Joe Rogan. >> Most people think we went too far. >> He's more of a middle of the road guy. Dave Smith's a libertarian. When you're
00:34:12
Andrew Wilsontalking about right-wingers, I want to hear I want to hear right-wingers. The right-wingers who would agree with your plan for amnesty. Who are they? >> Um I'm not talking about >> By the way, Dave Smith wouldn't agree
00:34:23
Jen Stonewith that plan for amnesty either. I'm not I didn't bring about I didn't talk about amnesty. I said that um in general Trump's campaign was about criminals and rapists. >> Yeah, but what would they never said
00:34:36
Jen Stonethey were going to bring mass? >> These people have committed a crime by entering the country deported. I get that. I'm saying for >> I'm a little confused. On one hand, you said you want >> cheaper, better solution. Yeah, deport
00:34:49
Brian Atlaspeople. But um >> can I ask you a question really quick? You say it's cheaper. Do you think as far as you know having illegal immigrants in this country the only thing that we're focused on is purely the economics of it
00:35:01
Brian Atlas>> like there's other factors too perhaps. >> No I I I agree you don't want the white race to to >> your argument is well it would be cheaper to like have them create a pathway to allow them to stay here. Wouldn't it be technically cheaper?
00:35:13
Brian AtlasLet's say hypothetically there was a murderer, but he only commit he, you know, uh you [clears throat] have like precognition, you know, that he will only have committed that one murder and he will never murder again and he will
00:35:26
Brian Atlasotherwise be a law-abiding citizen uh from there on out. Uh you would agree that it would be cheaper to not, you know, have law enforcement attempt to investigate the murder and, you know, go through the criminal uh prosecution
00:35:37
Brian Atlasprocess. It would be cheaper, right, to just let the murderer off. >> What I'm talking about is >> No, but answer the question. >> Oh, of course it would be cheaper, >> right? So, but just because something's cheaper doesn't necessarily mean that
00:35:49
Jen Stonethat is the uh right course of action. >> Well, I think the right course of action is to do investigations like that on on these people who've been here for for a
00:36:00
Jen Stonelong time. Um because like Yeah, that's cheaper. I think what >> well you said it's cheaper to let them just give them pathway to citizenship >> which may be true.
00:36:10
Jen Stone>> I mean it is it is true but I I think investigation and just like how you know what we should make sure that they're not criminals and um have a good standing crime by uh entering the country illegally.
00:36:23
Brian Atlas>> We speed all the time that's a civil crime. That's >> you think speeding is equivalent to being here illegally. >> We would do the same thing. It's not if you're trying to save your family and your wife, that's not evil.
00:36:34
SPEAKER_04>> Law enforcement uh does enforce speeding. They'll give out speeding tickets. >> I I actually agree with you and we would do the same thing. So what? >> Yeah. Um the difference is I guess empathy. I mean that [laughter]
00:36:47
Jen Stone>> suicidal >> I know you don't have empathy. It's not suicidal empathy. I want the majority of them to be deported. That's not too much empathy. That Yeah. That's having some empathy.
00:36:57
Andrew Wilson>> Mhm. So, um, the thing the thing here that's funny is it's anytime you talk to both sides are they're always they're always leftist and they're always lives and they're always like, "Hey, that's
00:37:11
Jen Stonenot true." >> You know, the thing is you just said that you were more on the left side than the right side. >> That's because of social freedom. If you look at libertarians, they they want social freedom. And considering both
00:37:22
Andrew Wilsonsides have completely [ __ ] our government with spending, I'm going to go more towards the dims. >> What social what libertarians want is they want social freedom affirmed by
00:37:32
Andrew Wilsonproperty rights. The United States is property of the citizens of the United States. From the libertarian ethos, deporting [ __ ] people who aren't supposed to be here
00:37:45
Jen Stonewould be just fine and appropriate and good. put that to the states to decide what if they want them to gone or not. Isn't that more libertarian? >> No. >> To let the states decide if they want the people out or not.
00:37:57
Andrew Wilson>> So, here's the thing. It's funny. It's like, okay, uh, so you agree that the border states, those are the ones who would take the brunt of that, right? And those states would basically be
00:38:08
Andrew Wilsonutilizing their resources to protect all the states behind them. >> The brunt of what? Allowing pe people to vote on it. of people legally crossing like for instance the Texas border, Californian border, these these Arizona,
00:38:22
Jen Stonethese are going to be states that are going to take the brunt of illegal immigration, right? >> Yeah. Then then let them have laws that and the government can pay for the funding to keep it secure.
00:38:32
Jen Stone>> But then how does that stay? It's up to the states uh to make their own laws regarding who can stay and who can who has. >> Yeah. Great. And then one state says you can have complete amnesty here. And then
00:38:44
Jen Stoneall the illegals go into that state, get amnesty, and then go back to the other state that they want to go to. >> See, everything in life has consequences. And And when you want a smaller government, >> they do. It does. Does everything in life? I'm That's crazy. I didn't know
00:38:57
Jen Stoneeverything. >> Usually when people make dumb mistakes in law, they correct them. We're a young nation. That's how we grow. >> Yeah. You do. Do you know how you correct this? You get rid of the
00:39:08
Jen Stoneillegals. All of them. I don't think the majority of our issues are illegal immigrants. That's what I'm trying to say. Illegal immigrants. >> What are the majority of our issues?
00:39:18
Jen Stone>> Um I would say our tax structure structure >> and um our $39 trillion in debt. >> Yeah. So let's talk about our tax structure. You want us to pay 90% like Sanders?
00:39:31
Jen Stone>> No. I think that's ridiculous. >> Okay. How much? Um, I say literally just start with getting rid of the loopholes for the I I think the it's more the
00:39:42
Jen Stonecorporations. I think um wealthy people who like her doctors and stuff, they're they're paying pretty high taxes. Um if you look uh so um
00:39:52
Jen Stonethe corporate tax rate says it's at 21%. But um it's actually with all the reductions and um kickbacks and stuff um
00:40:04
Jen Stoneaverage at 11%. But um if you look at the rich and it goes from poorest corporations. >> So you want to raise taxes on corporations. >> Get get rid of the loopholes first off.
00:40:16
Andrew Wilson>> That would raise their taxes, right? >> Yeah. I think that would make a big uh difference. >> That would raise their taxes, right? Okay. Let me ask you a question. If a corporation's making a product for you to buy, which is what they're doing, and
00:40:28
Andrew Wilsonyou raise their taxes, what happens to the price of that product? >> Um, it could go up. >> Oh, it could. Oh, I I'm sorry. I didn't
00:40:37
Andrew WilsonI wasn't aware. Do corporations pass on the cost of a product to the consumer? >> Yeah. >> Oh, tariffs. >> Wait, wait a second. Hang on. >> The tariffs are adding cost to the consumer as well.
00:40:50
Andrew Wilson>> Wait, I'm super confused, though. So, you want to get rid of the tariff because it's adding it's adding on cost to the consumer, but you want to raise corporate taxes, which is adding cost to the consumer. >> Well, brilliant plan.
00:41:01
Jen Stone>> My plan's bigger in the future. Um, since AI is taking over and uh we're all basically going to be jobless. Um, yeah, I think the corporations there needs to
00:41:13
Jen Stonebe an excessive wealth tax. M >> what's crazy if 10% of the uh S&P 500 pays zero corporate taxes and um yeah um
00:41:26
Jen Stonea lot of them are getting money back from the government and I think that's crazy in your brilliant time of the 1950s yeah we didn't have this tax >> I ever advocated to go back to the 1950s
00:41:40
Jen Stoneever >> I mean you've talked about it a lot on this >> never happened once >> I mean if you look at from the 1970s and above the um
00:41:50
Jen Stonethe the wealth distribution have gone from the middle class to the rich and um it's still increasing and you can see
00:42:00
Jen Stonewhat happened and it didn't start with Reagan but yeah he did a good job getting um uh >> so your plan is raising the prices of consumer goods that's your plan
00:42:13
Jen Stone>> that's Trump's plan too Right. >> No. >> Um, >> his plan was to utilize >> My plan is His plan was to utilize tariffs. >> My plan is legit. If you look at graphs, we're becoming poorer and what you would
00:42:26
Jen Stonecall the Epson class keeps getting richer and they're the ones controlling the average getting richer, not poorer. What are you talking about? >> Can you look up a graph showing the
00:42:37
Andrew Wilson1950s to now about wealth distribution? >> Yeah. No, no, no. It's not about wealth distribution. Show instead that's inflation. Show instead poverty line. The poverty line. How do you agree with me right now that way more people are
00:42:50
Jen Stoneabove the poverty line than they have? >> Do you know how the poverty line is is created? >> I do. >> It's not realistic in a world with technology and stuff like that. It's that's an old school way of looking at it. If you look at it with realistic today's standards, the poverty line is
00:43:04
Andrew Wilsonmuch higher than that. >> Yeah. And how many millionaires do we have right now? >> I don't know. >> I'm not even worried about Yeah. I'm worried about the corporations. I don't >> I know the court. You want to raise tax on corporations, thus raising prices on consumer goods.
00:43:16
Jen Stone>> Yeah, fine. That's probably for the better. If if it takes our country out, >> I can't wait to endorse this plan where I spend more money on things I buy. >> You're doing that for for tariffs. My >> No, you're not doing that for tariffs. Tariffs don't work that way. That's not
00:43:29
Jen Stonethe same thing at all. >> My bigger picture is we're about our society is going to collapse if we don't take down the debt. Um, and how are we going to do that?
00:43:41
Jen StoneWe're we're we should lower um make this government smaller, but also we're going to need more tax revenue, which that's where the corporations come in. And then once jobs are eliminated, if we don't
00:43:51
Jen Stonehave laws put in place, um, like an extreme wealth tax like they had in the 1950s, then >> that nobody paid. >> Yeah, there there was loopholes. Some people did pay it, but
00:44:04
Andrew Wilson>> almost nobody paid it. Just so you know, >> did they have the excess wealth? >> Well, what they had was they they had a marginal tax. So what would happen is if you reach certain threshold, then they
00:44:15
Andrew Wilsonwould tax x amount of that. >> Yeah. Like, okay, now you made $10 million. At $10 million, we get 90% of that 10th million or whatever. >> The average actual corporate was 41%. >> Even if you did that right now, it wouldn't put a dent in the debt.
00:44:28
Jen Stone>> Wouldn't even. >> That's why I say we also need to make the government smaller. Thomas Massiey's plan is to take six cents off of every >> And what do we what does our government
00:44:38
Andrew Wilsonspend the most money on >> um our debt and the military and then >> it spends the most amount of money on entitlements? >> Yeah, get rid of entitlements. >> Okay. So, so you want to you want to both sides it and get all the people who
00:44:52
Jen Stoneare collecting social security to stop collecting social security. >> They've paid for it. I think [laughter] >> No, that's our biggest >> I'm not talking about every like every single thing. I saying reducing food
00:45:03
Jen Stonestamps, reducing stuff like that, we're paying for our own retirement. So, I would make a law that says people born from this day, there's no longer social security. Um, and what I would do is we don't need a post office. That's pretty
00:45:17
Jen Stoneawesome. >> So, people who have been paying into social security, they're now Oh, I don't know. They're now hang on. Now they're 59 years old. They don't get it. [ __ ] them. No, that's why I said we have to make this law in advance to start for people who haven't been born yet or paid
00:45:29
Jen Stonefor into social security. >> So, we're going to rack up another uh 60 years of debt. >> No. Um there's other forms to deduct.
00:45:41
Jen StoneThere's Yeah, the post office is completely useless. Um yeah, we need to take money off of everything. everything's going to suffer a bit, but also like Doge was supposed to do, we need a better system of um people who
00:45:54
Andrew Wilsonaren't connect. >> You know what's funny is like I agree with you on some of the prescriptions that you have. Yeah. >> Right. For instance, shrinking the size of government in some arenas I think is a great idea. Probably not the military, definitely entitlements. I think the
00:46:06
Andrew Wilsonidea I think the idea of a massive corporate tax is just going to raise consumer good prices. >> A massive one, >> but hang on. It's just Well, no matter what you do, it's going to raise consumer prices. So the thing is is like
00:46:17
Andrew Wilsoneven if I agree to some of these prescriptions, we're going back to the original point now. We're going to tie it back in. How the [ __ ] you going to get other people to agree with you on it? How how you going to get people to give up their entitlements saying I can
00:46:28
Andrew Wilsondo it? They all voting in the interest of their entitlements, all of them. The whole reason democracy doesn't work in the long term, the reason that republicanism is much better and the reason that the average person probably
00:46:40
Andrew Wilsonshouldn't vote at all is exactly this reason. Because once they realize they can raid the Treasury as a monolith, which now they know how how to do by voting in politicians who will raid the Treasury in order to give them
00:46:51
Jen Stoneentitlements, democracy is [ __ ] The second that happens, it's [ __ ] >> I think the left really needs to be and I mean, everyone in general needs to be more educated on more education.
00:47:02
Jen Stone>> No, I'm on uh the financial state of our country because for so long both sides have been like, "Oh, it's whatever. reprint money sort of vibes, but no one really understand. >> You don't want to educate the stupid.
00:47:15
Jen StoneYou can't educate them. You just don't let them vote. That's what you do. You just stop letting stupid [ __ ] people vote. >> I do agree. We need like some sort of shouldn't be voting. >> I don't think they should be voting either. I think there needs to be a
00:47:26
Jen Stonecompetency test so you can understand how basic things work. >> How about stakeholder? That would be good. Something like that. Some kind of stake in the game. I don't know about steak cuz poor people.
00:47:39
Andrew Wilson>> Yeah, those >> I'm disabled. Does that make me unable to vote? Because if I'm poor, >> if you're not the thing that's funny is like, so you just made my point for me. If you're disabled, right, and you vote,
00:47:52
Andrew Wilsonyou're not going to vote against your own disability, >> are you? You're not going to vote against cash for your own disability. >> Well, I don't get any cash for it. But >> if you did, >> of course, I wouldn't. >> Of course you wouldn't. You're going to
00:48:04
Andrew Wilsonvote in your interest and that interest is robbing the treasury of other people's money for you. That's the problem with democracy and power blocks and that's why your plan of both siding all the both siders are [ __ ] It
00:48:17
Jen Stonedoesn't work in real time. >> I'm not saying complete work work for I mean uh vote [clears throat] for who you want to vote for based off of whatever values and what wants is. The only thing
00:48:27
Jen StoneI'm asking for people to agree on is to like I hate Gavin Newsome and how everyone's calling him the president because they they watch whatever cuz he's the loudest and they're like, "Oh,
00:48:38
Jen StoneGavin Newsome president." I'm saying and but if you look at his past, he's he's a corporate like slimeball. I'm just asking people to before they judge people based off of their party, look at their campaign.
00:48:51
Andrew WilsonPeople are so [ __ ] stupid that they're willing to vote a guy like Gavin Newsome into office. And do you think you're going to convince those people to go along with your >> Yeah, everybody's kind of waking up to like the whole Israel thing and the the
00:49:04
Andrew Wilsondeep state and >> that's a completely ex that's an exposition. Listen, >> all over the place already. >> Israel, the support for Israel, I'm just going to be completely blunt with you. A lot of people don't like hearing this,
00:49:16
Andrew Wilsonbut they know it's true. The position of support for Israel globally is still a very popular position. >> In fact, it's much Yeah, you can look that up. You can look it up. It is still
00:49:27
Andrew Wilsona very popular position >> to uh to have support of Israel. What you're talking about, >> the boomers, not young people who are taking over. >> Yeah, but young people don't support [ __ ] [laughter] They hate everything, which is fair. I I understand that. I
00:49:41
Andrew Wilsonget it. >> So, I >> But what you're talking about when you're talking about the global awakening, right? >> Yeah. the global awakening to do what? The leftist global awakening is to well, we're going to soak the millionaires and
00:49:53
Andrew Wilsonbillionaires and we're going to raise the corporate taxes and we're going to stop these people from um taking away your your birthight by by instituting more forms of entitlements and individual rights for abortion, things
00:50:06
Andrew Wilsonlike this. The right-wing great awakening is we're going to uh stop foreign powers from interfering in our business, focus on families, and remove degeneracy. They're dialectically opposed to each other. Yeah. Um, not
00:50:18
Jen Stonereally. I'm saying vote for who you want. And the thing is is take out the corporate pack money. It's as simple as that.
00:50:27
Jen Stone>> See how they vote on Israel. Like 83% of people vote towards Israel. Like, vote all those [ __ ] out. Start with that.
00:50:36
Andrew Wilson>> Look, you can get rid of the packs. This has been looked at many, many times. The problem is is that you give media then a massive upper hand. >> No one watches. No, you're talking about
00:50:48
Andrew Wilsonlike boomers. The media like >> I don't know. Do you think that young people are voting? They don't vote. Who votes? It's the old people who vote. >> Well, they're about to Yeah. Um not be around that much longer. And what's left
00:51:02
Jen Stonenow is >> Oh man, I've been hearing for 20 years the boomers are about to die out. >> You know, I mean, I hope >> they're going to be around for a long time. I look things at a bigger picture of how things are going to be swaying
00:51:12
Jen Stoneand how politics is going to look. So what I see is yeah the only people like who watch Fox and like mainstream news are mostly some Gen X but like boomers.
00:51:23
Jen StoneEverybody else who are young are coming on to like YouTube and stuff for for sources. And if you look at them, everyone who's actually like
00:51:32
Jen Stonehave is influ in has influence for young people, they all agree with exactly what I'm saying and they're telling other people. >> They don't. >> Yeah, they do about hacks.
00:51:43
Andrew Wilson>> The problem is you you're right. People do switch over to online now instead of uh old media. They do. And you know who else they see there? They're not seeing like a base Chad right-wingers. They're seeing Hassan [ __ ] They're seeing
00:51:56
Andrew WilsonDestiny. They're seeing all these left-wing scumbags who are pushing their leftwing message. And guess what? That poisonous message, that's worked. It's worked well. >> Yeah. >> And you act like this dialectic just doesn't exist cuz you wish it didn't.
00:52:09
Jen StoneBut it does. >> I literally watch all of them. There's something changing in politics. Like um >> everyone's realizing we're not we're not each other's enemies. Like let's say uh
00:52:20
Jen StoneI know you're not I watch both. >> It's like the opposite. It's like the opposite. because they're realizing everyone's evil [laughter] side. Uh like
00:52:28
Jen StoneTucker Carlson had the dude on that um from the Young Turks >> with them with the There's even a website where you can go sign up. >> Yeah.
00:52:40
Jen Stone>> Um just promoting the site to where we can all make a pack to end the pack sort of vibes. >> Um and >> yeah, Sanker has been on the uh end
00:52:51
Andrew Wilsonmoney and politics train for an awful long time. It's really funny though because a lot of that comes from Sinker focusing on the fact that he was a media talking head who was very important and they a lot of these guys thought that if
00:53:04
Andrew Wilsonyou got rid of pack money that they would be able to utilize media like they did the original time Donald Trump ran where they used media to try to demonize him run the steel dossier run conspiracy
00:53:14
Andrew Wilsontheories about him. You do give media an upper hand. I agree. I hate the fact that there's packs in politics. I do. But the fact of the matter is is that media is so [ __ ] corrupt. You can't trust them either.
00:53:25
Jen Stone>> Well, um that's why I also advocate for people to fact check. And young people are people are realizing >> that young people are dumber now than they've ever been.
00:53:37
Jen Stone>> Yes. That's why I would agree that they That's why I would agree that we should raise the voting rate age. But >> to what? >> Um maybe like 25 or something. How about how about instead of raising the voting
00:53:50
Jen Stoneage, you put a restriction like got to be married and have kids? >> That's the whole Christian nationalist thing. >> What's wrong with that? >> The majority of the country is Christian technically, but I don't think even they would want that.
00:54:04
Jen Stone>> Why not? >> You're kind of eliminating >> like your strength in the vote if you do that, right? >> Why? How? Because if you and your wife
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Jen Stoneboth vote for the person you want. If you're eliminating it, then you only get one vote instead of two. >> Going to be the people with families and kids. You're going to be more aligned with my ideology. >> Yeah, but you're still going to lose if you Is that make you higher likely to
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Andrew Wilsonlose? >> No. Maybe make you a higher likelihood to win if the people who vote are more aligned with your ideology? >> No. Cuz there's a lot of leftists, right? >> Who don't have families cuz they kill their kids. >> You said marry. You didn't say you can
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Andrew Wilsononly >> I said married with kids. You have a family. >> Yeah. Well, >> why don't you do one household voting? Something like You don't even have to do that. I'm just saying that anything that has stake in the nation is going to be
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Andrew Wilsonbetter >> than this dumb idea that just everybody should be infranchised. Our founders didn't want that. They hated it. They hated the idea that everybody would be infranchised. They didn't want anything
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Jen Stoneto do with that. Well, the founding fathers also um yeah gave us the way to amend the constitution because they understood that they didn't have all the answers and society would change >> and wanted amended so that everybody
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Andrew Wilsoncould vote. I can tell you that. >> Well, they put that ability in and this is where society took >> that was interpreted by the way. But the thing is that's funny about this. >> Everything's an interpretation. >> Yeah. The thing that's funny about this is like no, they they had no intention.
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Jen StoneThey didn't trust the electric because they thought they were stupid and they were right. Well, times haven't changed in that regard, but >> they haven't. >> Um, yeah, I I would I don't think it
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Andrew WilsonYeah, that's the whole Christian nationalist thing I don't agree with. >> That's not even Christian nationalist. >> Um, a lot of people can't have kids. >> Did I put the restriction you had to be a Christian? >> No, a lot of people can't have kids. >> So, why [ __ ] them? Why do they get to
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Andrew Wilsonvote? What makes it a right that people have like, oh, you get to vote just because you exist? >> Like, that's the stupid position. That's the Constitution. No, it's not currently. Currently, yes,
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Jen Stone[laughter] it is. >> It was never intended for to have a vote. It was never intended for everybody to vote ever. >> Never. >> What they did intend to do was uh give us the option to change it. Um and we
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Jen Stonehave that option. So, if you want to take away that right, let's do a um uh what whatever it's called, the um conservation. I >> thought you just got done saying you like the 10th Amendment. >> Huh? So why don't you just leave voting
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Jen Stonerestrictions up to the state like we used to? So then the state, right, the state can actually put in the representatives instead of you. Doesn't that sound better? >> I mean, like I'm not completely opposed
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Jen Stoneto that except it would kind of make different like completely the United States wouldn't be very united anymore and we'd all just live. >> It's not united now [snorts] >> and and your world view.
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Andrew Wilson>> No, just not. It's just not united. I don't I don't know. I don't know if you know that this state that we're in right now is like a whole different universe than the state that I currently live in.
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Jen StoneIt's like a whole different world. >> But um basically I think we should do a competency test. I I don't think >> Mhm. >> you I mean there's smart people who
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Andrew Wilsonaren't married um or with kids. I think that's kind of [ __ ] up to not let them vote. >> Why? Where's this idea that everybody should have the right to vote come from? because didn't come from our founders. Yeah. But
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Andrew Wilsonwhat are you basing my >> father? It's a whole different world. >> What are you even basing it on though? Forget the constitution for a second. What from your view actually makes it something that you think is right that everybody should be able to vote? >> What?
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Jen Stone>> Like my set aside like Yeah. I >> What part of your value sets demanding that? >> Um like God Jesus >> God would demand that everyone could vote.
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Jen Stone>> No. Um uh not God would demand not yeah being fair to everybody and um >> what >> like Jesus would Jesus >> you would demand that everyone could
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Jen Stonevote. >> No none of them would demand anything because they don't get into politics right but what they do what Jesus does
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Jen Stoneadvocate for is um groups that are um seen as outcasts the poor like >> that people should be charitable towards those groups. It's not that they should
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Andrew Wilsonhave a say in policy, >> but did he say they should though? No. >> That that would make my point. >> Yeah. Um, [clears throat] >> what what is the value set that you're appealing to that just makes you think
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Andrew Wilsoneveryone should be able to vote? What >> what Jesus's words himself? >> What words? What words of Jesus Christ makes you think that everybody should >> your neighbor? >> You can you you have to hate your