Andrew Wilson & Brian Atlas vs. 140 IQ Woke Leftist Feminist HATER! | Whatever Debates 24
Date: 2026-02-20
Duration: 5h 17m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Jen Stone(guest)
SPEAKER_03Andrew Wilson(host)
SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:00:17
IntroBrian opens debate introducing Andrew Wilson and Jen Stone. Jen corrects IQ to 143, rejects labels.
00:07:00
Key MomentAndrew begins internal critique of Jen's both-siding approach
00:08:50
QuoteAndrew: 'I do hate leftists... God will punish my soul for it'
00:40:00
Key MomentAndrew catches Jen in contradiction: wants to raise corporate taxes (raises prices) while opposing tariffs (also raises prices)
00:56:00
Key MomentAndrew performs internal critique: Jen can't articulate why everyone should vote beyond 'my heart tells me'
01:32:00
Key MomentBrian outlines selective service position. Jen surprisingly agrees women should have same requirements.
02:05:00
Key MomentAndrew demolishes Jen's theology. She can't explain Acts, denies divinity of Christ.
02:50:00
ControversyJen calls Trump pedo protector. Andrew demands evidence. Jen can't name specific accusers.
03:34:00
AgreementAndrew grants Jen's criticism about Trump's anti-Israel speech stance
04:23:00
Key MomentBrian turns tables: Jen's Instagram promotes grandfather's pseudoscientific ESP/telepathy books
05:00:00
RelationshipJen: 38, single, frozen eggs, body count 10-20 (3 in last 8 years), last relationship 4 years
Topics Discussed
00:00:17
Political Unity Opening
Jen argues both sides fighting for same things. Should unite against corporate corruption.
00:14:00
Immigration and Deportation
Jen wants strong borders but pathway for long-term residents. Andrew argues amnesty undermines rule of law.
00:46:00
Voting Rights and Democracy
Andrew argues democracy is flawed. Jen supports competency tests. Andrew performs internal critique - Jen can't ground why everyone should vote.
01:06:00
Brian's Criticisms of Jen's DMs
Brian reads Jen's harsh messages calling him fake, cancer on society, grifter. Heated meta-conversation.
02:00:00
Christianity, Paul, and Jesus
Jen rejects Paul's epistles, believes in reincarnation, sees Jesus as prophet. Andrew demolishes her theological positions.
02:49:00
Trump, Epstein, Pedo Protector Allegations
Jen calls Trump predator/pedo protector. Andrew demands evidence. Jen can't cite specifics.
04:05:00
Candace Owens and Grifting
Jen accuses Brian of grifting. Brian turns tables by examining her grandfather's pseudoscientific books.
04:59:00
Personal Life Wind-Down
Jen shares dating life, frozen eggs. Brian and Andrew joke about aliens.
Transcript
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00:58:46
Jen Stoneneighbor if they can't vote. >> And yeah, um, be kind to the Yeah. Be kind to um Yeah, sorry I'm I'm blinking. Be kind to um foreigners. There's all kinds of things.
00:58:59
Andrew Wilson>> Okay, so you can be kind to foreigners and be nice to your neighbor and they don't have to. >> Those are the peacemakers. >> Great. The the peacemakers can be blessed and they still don't have to vote. I don't understand. Where does
00:59:09
Jen Stonethis they need to vote part come in? >> Because I don't I think we all should be equal like in in that right. >> Oh, we should just all be equal. >> Yeah. If you can pass the test, that
00:59:20
Andrew Wilsonmakes you qualified. >> Yeah. Why why is it though again you you see how you you uh interuppose immediately that they should without appealing to the constitution? There's
00:59:33
Andrew Wilsonthings in the constitution >> take the constitution out of it. So I did >> that's what I'm doing. I'm still asking you the same question. If we have the constitution out of it, right, then why
00:59:43
Andrew Wilsonwhat appeal are you making that people should be able to do this? What what what is the ethical dilemma here? You can't vote and that's unethical because
01:00:00
Jen Stonethis is how I put it like yeah um my spiritual beliefs lead me to that conclusion.
01:00:12
Andrew WilsonWhat in your spiritual beliefs lead you to the conclusion that it's unethical if guy A is not allowed to vote? >> What? >> We all, whether you're atheist or not, >> Yeah.
01:00:25
Jen Stone>> have been put on a path. >> Okay. >> From God, right? >> Uhhuh. >> And you choose to make good and bad decisions, right? That's free will. And yeah, I think this whole Christian
01:00:38
Andrew Wilsonnationalist thing is trying to control what decisions people make, which is against God. >> This literally doesn't answer my question. >> Repeat it. Sorry, I kind of blame. >> We're not appealing to the Constitution. We're just purely appealing. >> I knew where I was going with that.
01:00:50
Jen Stone>> Your Christian ethical system, why from the Christian standpoint, is it unethical if some guy can't vote or some girl can't vote? >> We all have like God's energy in us that tells us what's right and what's wrong,
01:01:02
Jen Stonewhether we realize it or not. And we all have that and um I >> yeah my heart says that it's wrong. So I mean you can agree differently but that's literally
01:01:14
Andrew Wilson>> that's where the constitution >> just appealing to your intuition. >> Yeah. That's where the constitution comes in if you want to change it. >> Hang on. Hang on. I just want to make sure I got this right. The reason it's unethical to not let people vote from your view is because your heart tells
01:01:28
Jen Stoneyou it is. >> There's right and wrong. That's how our constitution is formed by the majority of people saying what's right and wrong. >> So then help me out here. Help me out here. If my intuition, right, and I make
01:01:40
Andrew Wilsonthe same exact appeal because God puts on your heart what is right and wrong. I think it's wrong to let people vote. >> Well, >> why am I wrong and you're right? >> I didn't say you were wrong. >> Yeah, but we're appealing now to ethics.
01:01:52
Andrew WilsonSo why is my ethics in this this case inferior to your own? >> I never said I was inferior. That's >> so then what I'm doing is just as ethical as what you're doing >> in your own opinion and
01:02:04
Jen Stone>> no in your opinion. I'm not asking about in my opinion. I'm asking about your opinion. >> I would say no. >> Why? >> It's based off of faith plus what's in store in the Constitution. If we want to
01:02:17
Andrew Wilsongo change >> forget the Constitution. We're just talking about ethics. >> Well, ethics is based off of what the whole United States decides. Decides. So >> are you Christian without the Constitution? Constitution's gone tomorrow. You're still appealing to the
01:02:29
Andrew Wilsonsame set of ethics, right? >> Um, yeah. I mean, I I call myself a follower of Jesus. Not Not exactly. >> Okay, fine. But if the Constitution's gone tomorrow, your ethics remain the same. >> Yeah. >> Okay, great. Then we don't need the Constitution to make an appeal to your
01:02:42
Andrew Wilsonethical system. So in your ethical system, why does everyone need to vote? >> If we don't have the Constitution, there is no voting and we're like, what do you mean? You can vote without the Constitution. There's all sorts of countries that don't have constitutions
01:02:54
Andrew Wilsonwhich vote. >> I mean, what I would do is just get out. Like, I mean, I would >> That's not my question. My question isn't would you leave? My question is what would make it unethical? >> I didn't say it would be unethical.
01:03:07
Jen Stone>> So, it's not unethical then for Christian nationalists to try to push for people not to vote. >> Um, yeah. I mean, it's not unethical because in your framework, >> okay, >> that's that's how you see it. But that's
01:03:19
Andrew Wilsonwhy I like the Constitution. Well, I'm asking from your framework. I know how I see it. I'm asking from your framework. How could the Christian nationalist be wrong if you're just saying that the
01:03:31
Andrew Wilsonappeal to your ethical system if the Constitution wasn't there would be exactly the same and you can't tell me why it would be unethical at all? Hang on. Why it would be unethical at all for Christian nationalists to say you can't
01:03:42
Jen Stone[ __ ] vote? >> I think taking it take you're putting power upon yourselves instead of leaving it to God. like um and you're taking away God's plan. God's
01:03:53
Jen Stone>> voting how is voting not that >> but if you're taking Yeah, that's what if you >> what? >> Okay, let me think about this. Sorry, my brain is >> um >> voting is doing
01:04:05
Jen Stonesomewhere. >> Yeah. Um we all there I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. That's why I'm saying I believe in the Constitution and I believe in Jesus's
01:04:16
Andrew Wilsonwords and I think Christian nationalist goes against Jesus's words. That's why it's unethical. >> Wait, this super weird to me because you said that Christian nationalists by
01:04:27
Andrew Wilsontaking people's right to vote away would be doing something unethical because of the appeal to your ethics. And when you appeal to your ethics, you say the thing is is that that would be restricting free will instead of putting it in God's hands. But then when I point out the
01:04:39
Jen Stonecontradiction of you wanting people to vote, which does the exact same thing, you just went, "Oh, >> that's a society. I think God should be left out of it. Church and state, separation of church and state, dude. That's why I'm against Christian
01:04:52
Andrew Wilsonnationalism. >> You shouldn't nationalize Christianity." >> So, what a part what about your ethics says that you you need to separate church and state >> because of the way Jesus talked about um
01:05:05
Jen Stonethe government. And >> oh, tell me how he talked about the government. >> Can I look it up? I I I need some caffeine. >> Okay. Well, you do that. I'll have a smoke. >> Okay. Um >> uh Okay. >> I >> You need caffeine.
01:05:17
Brian Atlas>> Can I have a few minutes? I I don't want to leave the the podcast. My brain's just >> Well, I mean, I'll I'll engage you on this a little bit because some of your the reason I'm even s not doing this as
01:05:27
Brian Atlasa one v one. Much of the criticisms that you sent us were uh directed at me, directed at the podcast. Uh you for
01:05:36
Brian Atlasexample wrote uh you wrote that you thought that we were down to bring on people with opposing views. >> Yeah. >> And you you >> this is about the James Tarico thing.
01:05:49
Jen Stone>> This is about James Terico. That's the whole reason I was mad at you is cuz for like a year almost I kept trying to get >> it wasn't a year >> like 6 months maybe since I started bringing it up. That's why I got mad at
01:06:01
Jen Stoneyou is because you told me to find people who I thought were worthy to bring on the show and then I kept bringing bringing up James Tal. >> Why are you doing a quote when that I'm pretty sure that's not what >> that is. We can go into the episode cuz
01:06:12
Jen StoneI was saying cuz you were telling me to recruit people cuz I didn't think it wasn't up to my you said find people up to my standards of who should be on the show. You said that on the on the episode >> on the episode or in the
01:06:24
Jen Stone>> that I was on the episodes that I was on but the people can look it up and I said fine and I did. Um and then you were
01:06:32
Brian Atlasignoring it. That's why I was I was mad. >> Yeah. You I mean Okay. But you you wrote scared to be called out on.
01:06:42
Brian Atlas>> I I was trying to um appeal to >> Yeah. You weren't answering me. So I was trying to appeal to >> Yeah. I'm I'm managing often I'm juggling oftentimes hundreds of
01:06:53
Brian Atlasdifferent DMs. We already we already had you on uh two shows. We had you on a dating talk panel and then we had you on
01:07:02
Brian Atlasuh a sort of very other similarly informal uh debate. You kind of crashed the debate. There were some other girls
01:07:11
Brian Atlasthere. Uh, frankly, I mean, based off of how this debate is going and your performance in the previous debates, you I'm almost somewhat regretting having
01:07:23
Brian Atlasbooked this. Your performance was quite poor on the dating talk. Your performance was poor. >> Your performance is poor tonight. You're all over the place. >> I've never been a debate. >> I'm incoherent. Well, then why are you
01:07:36
Jen Stoneasking to if you're not a good debater, why are you >> I I'm here for a bigger purpose is to talk to the people who actually understand what I'm saying are tired of the hate. >> Tired of Well, we'll get into that,
01:07:48
Brian Atlaswhich is part of the reason I'm sitting here on the panel. Yeah. But I mean, look, the look the it improved a little bit, but the first 10 15 minutes of this debate, >> oh boy, that was that was rough. I I
01:08:00
Brian Atlaskind of I almost wanted to apologize to Andrew for, you know, look, hey, Andrew's Andrew's uh he's a BSD. >> What is that? >> Don't worry about it. But but I feel
01:08:12
Brian Atlaslike I got to I felt bad for Andrew. I'm like, man, you came all this way. We've got another debate for him tomorrow. By the way, guys, those of you who are watching the stream, Andrew will be debating not so arodite arerodite uh
01:08:23
Brian Atlastomorrow at about I think we're aiming to go live at 3:30 p.m. So, given our 3 3:45, but 3 3:30 we're trying to go
01:08:33
Brian Atlaslive 3:30 p.m. tomorrow with a Aerodite. And uh so we do have another debate tomorrow. Andrew will be here for our dating talk panel on Sunday. Guys, if you're enjoying the stream, um can you go over to uh Twitch? Can you pull up
01:08:46
Brian Atlasthe window over there, Nathan? Show us the Twitch window. Make sure nothing else is uh being shown. I'll be right back. >> Actually, it doesn't matter. Wait, I Hold on. Hold on a sec. We got to wait. Actually, you know what? Hold on. Hold off on that. >> Um, you said >> and hold on.
01:08:59
Brian Atlas>> You said I did bad on the dating podcast. I had like so many people in my inbox talking about how like, >> okay, >> y'all did me dirty. >> Only fans girls will say, I'm a 10
01:09:09
Brian Atlasbecause so many guys buy my Only Fans. I agree with that. Stop. The woman could be morbidly obese and not attractive and still have men like saying this. So, in any case,
01:09:20
Brian Atlas>> what do you mean? I agree with you on like the majority of that [ __ ] I don't know what you're talking about. >> That's besides the point. Uh, you wrote that don't don't. This is what you said. I never agreed to you going into my DMs
01:09:34
Jen Stoneand >> I never I I told you ahead of time like I wasn't cool with you going into all my DMs and talking about everything we've talked about right before we started >> when >> Right before we started.
01:09:47
Brian Atlas>> Whoa, whoa, whoa. So, so just to be clear, we agreed to do this debate a long time ago. >> No. Yeah. And five minutes before the debate starts, the messages that you
01:09:58
Brian Atlassent to me on Instagram, they're not fair game. That's ridiculous. >> I you everything that you write. >> I'll show you the message right now. >> No, don't. No, no, no. Don't pull it up because No, don't don't show anything on [ __ ] camera.
01:10:11
Brian Atlas>> I'm not going to show it on camera. >> Put your phone down. You're not going to show the messages. I have the messages. I know, but literally today I said, "What are um I was like >> the prompts that you sent and I sent this to you yesterday. Your criticisms
01:10:24
Jen Stoneof the whatever podcast." >> You didn't send me I'll look >> I literally said that. I literally sent that to you yesterday. >> Criticisms. You resent me like my further points before that which were the exact same things that I had.
01:10:37
Brian Atlas>> Prompt. The only reason I'm sitting here and it's not a one v one is because you explicitly said that you want to debate me and Andrew. I would have been happy to have this be a 1v one. That's how most of the debates are. But you
01:10:49
Jen Stone>> I didn't know I was debating you. I thought it was just me and Andrew. >> You I could show you the message. >> I changed my mind over and over again. I I literally just >> Maybe you should be less bipolar. I don't know what to [ __ ] tell you. >> Bipolar, dude. What happened? Do you
01:11:01
Jen Stonewant me to explain what happened? >> I'm using bipolar in a not a literal sense that you're actually diagnosed with bipolar. I realize you're not bad when you're like literally not agitated with like
01:11:13
Jen Stoneyou're kind of mean sometime when y'all y'all were mad. Listen, let me finish this. Y'all were mad because of the crazy [ __ ] and like Jerry Springer was in the room. I was first chair interested in Hold on. I'm not
01:11:25
Brian Atlasinteresting in having a I realize I'm not Stop. I'm not interested >> against you. I mean, >> stop. I'm not interested in having a meta conversation about a podcast we did a year ago. That's irrelevant. What you
01:11:36
Brian Atlaswrote me since your last appearance was a direct request to debate. You literally said, "I want to debate Andrew and you >> to which you write, okay, well, we're
01:11:46
Brian Atlaswe're here now. Pro you wrote, prove that I'm just a dumb woman like you treated me on the show with a real debate. Prove that 140 IQ girl as you label me as an idiot." Now, here's I guess where we can get into some
01:11:59
Brian Atlassubstance in terms of disagreement or debate. You wrote, "I'm mad y'all." And when you say y'all, you're referring to me and me and Andrew helped with the division in this country. Yeah.
01:12:11
Brian Atlas>> And then in addition, there's a lot you wrote. It's it's a little You sent me a [ __ ] novel. Uh and talk [ __ ] about you. You wanted to talk [ __ ] about us. >> Profiting from the division of this nation. So there's two things here.
01:12:23
Brian AtlasThere's the assertion that me and Andrew have divided. Hold on. Stop. Stop. Stop. >> If you want to get into I literally asked you and through the text you said we're not going to go through any of this. I never I literally never said that. >> Show you the text right now.
01:12:35
Jen Stone>> You can't show it on on screen, but you can read it. You can read it. So, you wrote >> I asked if if everything I've ever said to you was fair game, and you said no. Okay. >> What are you talking about?
01:12:47
Brian Atlas>> I'll show you literally right now. >> I have it on my phone, too. But I'll know why we need to get into the medical. >> You're literally going against what we just talked about yesterday. >> What are you talking about? I asked what
01:12:58
Jen Stonewas going to be included in the debate, >> the prompts and then I said plus your criticism. >> I asked you what would be involved in those criticisms. >> You sent my older prompts which
01:13:10
Jen Stoneliterally had none of this in there. So >> I never made you a promise that your criticisms would be excluded. Furthermore, >> I just asked you about that because I didn't want you to go through all my messages and I never agreed to debate
01:13:23
Brian Atlasyou. >> You asked to debate me. Otherwise, I changed it over and over again. >> Every time Andrew comes on and does one v one debates, you specifically asked for the for to debate. >> I want here's what you wrote. I want to
01:13:35
Brian Atlasdebate Andrew and you. >> That was look at my messages after I said I realized you're cool and I have nothing against you. >> Okay. So, regardless of that, now we're I I want to move away from the meta
01:13:46
Jen Stoneconversation. This is on the this is on the table. We're going to discuss it. I don't know why you can't engage. I need a break because I asked you ahead of time what we were going to be talking about and I asked well I've blabbered a lot to you what's going to be included
01:13:59
Jen Stoneand then you sent your old prompts and and you said >> I sent the prompts and then I said plus your criticisms did I not >> and I said what critic I asked what criticisms I've said a lot to you and then let me find what it says
01:14:12
Jen Stone>> are you uncomfortable defending your previous statements that you >> because they have changed my opinion changed remember after that did I not say you did a good that that um that I I have to admit that you were pretty based
01:14:24
Jen Stoneuh this last episode and then I told you I realized what my issue uh with you was. I told you. >> Okay. Then then if >> that was the way you act when Andrew is way different um when he's not around on
01:14:36
Brian Atlasyour episodes. >> I told you that was the reason. I figured out why I have a problem and I told you exactly why and that was like a couple weeks ago. >> I'm trying to It's all Andrew's fault. You're right. Everything is your fault, Andrew. >> Smokey man is objective.
01:14:50
Jen Stone>> Smoke man bad. Smoky man back. >> Yeah. I I needed to take a break and >> then take a break. Then we'll then we'll dive right back into it. >> Yeah. Why don't you Why don't you read to them that I said like after that that
01:15:01
Brian Atlasyou're cool and I like I'm glad you're not being fake and I said all that [ __ ] >> Well, yeah, but I think you can say that and then the things that you said prior to that are still valid. >> I I had those
01:15:14
Brian Atlas>> here. There you said you need caffeine. Nathan can assist you with getting you >> but I didn't come here to talk about like >> the whatever pockets at all like
01:15:25
Jen Stone>> that was literally within Oh my god. It's included. >> Not Yeah, the new prompts. The new prompts because we didn't have any prompts left. You asked me to make
01:15:37
Brian Atlasprompts. I'm sorry that your your communication style is so incoherent throughout like a year. >> Shut up. that one day it's Brian, I want to debate you and you're a terrible
01:15:48
Jen Stoneperson and the next day actually Brian, I'm cool with you. I never said I never said you're a terrible person. I just wanted to know what you believe in because you don't always say what you believe in. >> I'm just curious. Why are you so defensive about like going into some of
01:16:01
Jen Stonethe things that you previously said >> because like it I literally asked you ahead of time and opinions change and my opinion changed. >> Okay. So, if it is the case, >> I told you I was mad because of the James Tallerico thing. If I bring something up >> and you're like, "You know what, Brian?
01:16:14
Brian AtlasI actually changed my mind on it. Then I'll I'll move on. Why don't you go ahead and take your break, though?" And then come back. >> Read them. The last thing I said that you're actually pretty based. >> I I said that a few weeks ago or something.
01:16:26
Brian Atlas>> Okay. Take a break. >> Take a break. Get some Get Oh my god. [sighs]
01:16:34
Brian Atlas>> Don't Yeah. That That's the uh We have some chats coming through here. Uh you know, maybe I I should wait till everybody's back at the table. Uh so uh Andrew, how you been, man? Uh
01:16:47
Andrew Wilsonhow's it going? >> I've been good. Um a lot of travel, working on some big projects for The Crucible. We got something extra special coming up that's top secret, but uh I think it's going to shock a lot of
01:16:58
Andrew Wilsonpeople. It's going to be pretty amazing. >> Um and that's happening at the near the end of the month. Glad to be back on whatever with all of you. Um I know that there's tons of people in the whatever
01:17:11
Andrew Wilsonaudience who don't like me and there's tons of people who do. But even to those who hate me, you missed me, right? You missed me. Admit it. You missed me. By the way, a lot of that exchange, just so
01:17:23
Andrew Wilsonyou know, these aren't attributed to positions I have. That was for for those of you who are slow boys out in the whatever audience. The Crucible doesn't have this problem. But some of you in the whatever audience do. Most of you
01:17:35
Andrew Wilsondon't, but some of you do. That's called an internal critique. That's me critiquing the position because it's incoherent. So, um, I know that what'll
01:17:45
Andrew Wilsonhappen is many of you stupid people are going to be like, Andrew believes X when that has nothing to do with what just happened. What just happened was an internal criticism of somebody's
01:17:56
SPEAKER_01incoherent positions. So, that's that that's how you debate. So anyway, just >> William Payne donated $100. I ran an analysis over her body language
01:18:06
SPEAKER_01and here's the result. Posture equals slouching. Confidence equals nervous. Engagement equals disengaged. Expression equals negative. I gaze equals averted.
01:18:18
Brian AtlasSmile equals none. >> Uh, thank you very much William Payne for that. I must have had the TTS threshold lower. It doesn't really matter. I would have just read it anyways. Thank you for the message there
01:18:30
Brian Atlasvia streamlabs.com. Hey, uh Nathan, can you pull up Twitch? Uh show us Twitch here. If you can go to window tab, by the way, some of the whatever
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Andrew Wilsonregulars, including the mods, how you guys doing? Um I've been popping into the chat here and there and saying hello to you guys during the dating talks, this kind of thing. And I'm kind of glad to be back on the whatever stomping
01:18:54
Brian Atlasgrounds. We got some good debates lined up and some good dating panels. So, those should be good. Uh guys, if you're watching over there on Twitch, drop us a follow in the prime sub if you have one. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. And guys, thank you for the uh super chats. Thank
01:19:06
Brian Atlasyou for the support. Guys, if you're enjoying the stream, like the video. She's going to be returning here in just a moment. But guys, like the video. Also, debateuniversity.com. We'll do a little shout out for that uh in a little
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Brian Atlasbit. $200 is the >> Can I respond to whatever that TDS was? >> I mean, no, we're just going to move on. So, >> what you Everyone gets to respond. I mean, it was below the threshold anyways. Okay, go ahead and make your quick response, please.
01:19:30
Jen Stone>> Well, yeah. Okay. I slouch cuz I have rods down my entire back. I'm not smiling because Here you go. smiling. If it was a positive conversation, I'd smile. So, >> I slouch because of hell divers too
01:19:42
Andrew Wilson>> cuz I'm like [ __ ] the bugs. Sometimes the fascist bugs come out and >> fascist. >> No, I'm saying the bugs are fascist. And when they come out for the purpose of
01:19:53
Andrew Wilsondemocracy, for managed democracy, we have to destroy them. And so that's what we [clears throat] do. And so I don't want to slouch. >> Okay. All right. So >> you're trying to destroy democracy. Is
01:20:04
Brian Atlasthat what I get? What? >> Okay. Uh, so again, going back to this, you said you wrote that >> I Okay. Yeah. >> Do you want to allow me to like finish a sentence before you >> Okay. I I didn't
01:20:17
Brian Atlas>> quip. >> Yeah, sure. But I didn't agree to any of this. >> What? You didn't? It's This is >> I asked you ahead of time. >> You literally didn't. >> I asked you what was fair. Can >> What? I don't know why you're you're
01:20:29
Jen Stonedoing this thing where you're you're you're attempting to delay uh what really should be fair. >> Say what you want. No, but I asked what was fair game cuz I've And then you you sent me the the prop because I was like,
01:20:41
Jen Stone"What are my disagreements?" And I asked you and then you said And then you sent the um Look it up. We just talked about it. >> I mean, do you want to do you want to just [ __ ] leave? Is that what you want to do? >> I don't want to leave. Why are you all
01:20:53
Brian Atlasgetting so mad? >> Because you've been you've been attempting to delay the continuence of this conversation. >> Because I didn't agree to it. >> You literally did. You asked.
01:21:06
Brian Atlas>> Look it up yourself. >> How How could you possibly How can you on one hand send me a message that says, "I want to debate Andrew and you and here's all the things I disagree with you about." If you look back at it, I just kept >> and then you can't you can't do a thing
01:21:19
Brian Atlaswhere five minutes before the debate starts before >> you literally said rewind the tape you were like Brian when we sat down here I said I don't want to talk about that. Sorry it's on the table. >> No. >> Okay. Can you
01:21:30
Jen Stone>> if you let me explain my side of that of what happened? You don't remember all of the messages cuz you get a hundred of them a day, right? >> I do remember the messages. >> Can you stop with the meta conversation? I know you want to delay here because
01:21:42
Brian Atlasit's gonna make you look [ __ ] terrible. Maybe that's why you want to delay it. But in any case, I think it's fair game. It's completely fair game. And perhaps you don't want to pull it up now because you uh maybe you're not
01:21:54
Jen Stoneprepared to even defend the words that came out of your own mouth. >> Like I said, we we can pull up the text. Um I the first I wanted to do a two
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Jen Stone>> Baron. Thank you. >> Listen, this is how I I will explain it. I wanted to debate you two or even you on your own because Thank you. >> I noticed during the episodes you don't like tend to answer a lot of questions.
01:22:18
Jen StoneYou ask people questions. Um and you you had put his point of view on. So my point my thing at the time was I want to learn more about you. It had nothing to do with with I want to know your exact
01:22:31
Jen Stonestance on things because you don't always give out the answers to what you actually believe in. That's the only reason why I said that. But then I said we then we talked about me being on the
01:22:41
Jen Stonepanel and and um that would be okay. But then I said, "Oh shit." Um then I changed it to just Andrew because I had
01:22:50
Jen Stone[ __ ] to say about him. Say uh to him is what I said. Um I remember the messages cuz I don't get a thousand of them. and and then we stopped talking forever
01:23:01
Jen Stoneand I said I want to debate um because of like the world issues with Epstein and all the corruption. Um
01:23:11
Jen Stone>> and that's why I'm here now is for a broader message um that literally has nothing to do with the whatever podcast. I know I'm not great at debate. Um he's one of the best. He's very smart. He has
01:23:24
Jen Stonea lot of good talking points that my bigger mission here. I don't care if I win a debate. I'm obviously um I'm here uh to like I said at the beginning, we
01:23:34
Brian Atlasneed to the >> just agree on making sure we vote for people who are as least corrupt as possible. >> So, as recently as Wednesday at uh it
01:23:46
Brian Atlaslooks like at 6 PM, so this is like basically 24 hours ago. Uh, hold on.
01:23:57
Brian AtlasWednesday. No, excuse me. Wednesday at 7:36 p.m. So, 24 hours ago, uh, Andrew
01:24:04
Brian Atlaswants to do uh, prompts 1 3 56 of the prompts you sent plus your previously stated criticisms.
01:24:15
Brian Atlas>> And then I ask what what >> the ones that you sent via message. >> Yeah. And then what does it say after that when I ask >> I don't understand. So so even if there was lacking of communication even if it
01:24:27
Jen Stoneeven if it's from both our sides. >> Yeah. >> What would be your actual objection to getting into other topics? >> Um I I agreed to get into other topics for my views changed on you once I
01:24:40
Jen Stonewatched more episodes. So I don't know what you're even finding. I agree there are is a lot of good that comes out of the podcast, but there's also a lot of >> Why are you trying to stop it ahead of time preemptively? >> Because I didn't agree to it. Like I
01:24:54
Brian Atlasthought >> let me go through the stated criticisms and perhaps some of them are still valid. If they're not still valid and you say changed, then I suppose that we don't have to engage there. But are you
01:25:05
Brian Atlasjust going to continue I what what's the term in Congress where they don't let anybody else talk? Are you just going to continue filibustering or can I actually start to get through it? It's been 30 minutes of paddling and you delay delay delay. Why don't I just get through it?
01:25:18
Andrew Wilson>> That's not actually what the term is in Congress, but that's not what a filibuster is, but I call it a filibuster. >> Okay. I mean, go for it, but I didn't agree to it. Let's go. Let's go. >> Let's go.
01:25:30
Brian Atlas>> It's not that you didn't. >> Again, I will repeat. >> You said you wanted to debate me and Andrew and then you listed all these things. Okay. My my intent changed. >> I'm just going to get right into it. I'm just going to get right into it.
01:25:42
Brian Atlas>> You wrote that I'm mad y'all helped with the division in this country. Uh and then you wanted to talk about how we're profiting from the division of this nation. So, I guess first, how am I how
01:25:54
Jen Stoneis Andrew uh helping with the division in the country? Um, I would say that,
01:26:04
Jen Stoneum, calling like just how you called me a a feminist, what did you say I was? Um, >> feminist leftist hater, 140 IQ.
01:26:15
Jen Stone>> Yeah. I mean, you're kind of labeling people and then and then you only bring on certain types of I mean, not only, but and then you clip the majority of
01:26:25
Jen Stonewhat people see are clips, right? that get get um that get shown and you don't they don't watch the full episode. Um >> so so labeling
01:26:35
Jen Stone>> is the No, this isn't about you. It's about him. >> What if the label is the way he he >> who? Andrew. >> Yeah. It's the way he talks to people on the show and laughs at them and he
01:26:47
Jen Stonecontinuously talks about like instead of fixing the laws that make it [ __ ] up to that men have to to serve against their will, like let's change the laws.
01:26:58
Jen StoneBut he always talks about taking away women's rights to vote instead of like, hey, let's change up the [ __ ] up [ __ ] up law. And then he said that women are
01:27:08
Jen Stonemore prone to propaganda. you said something about their period and um it was like a conversation about women in leadership. Um >> that was a Pierce Morgan episode.
01:27:19
Jen Stone>> You brought like u periods up and stuff like um yeah I since the like the show I have had a lot of people in my DMs and
01:27:31
Jen Stonethey were all very nice. They were all very nice. Um, but then they would say stuff like, "I don't think women should have the right to vote." And I'm and I think that is making the male loneliness
01:27:43
Jen Stoneepidemic worse because if you look at the stats um statistically um more women are liberal and
01:27:53
Jen Stoneum Yeah. And you're making Yeah. the way you talk about the sexes and women do this too which I would like for it to
01:28:02
Jen Stonestop. Um is mostly on his side can be very uh I
01:28:10
Jen Stonewould I would call it toxic. Um, and yeah, I I And so, and then also gives guys confidence when they go in my DMs trying to date me and then like
01:28:22
Jen Stonetell me while they're trying to hang out with someone. Um, like, yeah, that they want to take away my right to vote is, you know, it kind of it's that kind of takes away >> the men who want to date you want to
01:28:36
Jen Stonetake >> that. It kind of it kind of takes away um their game in in a sense. How would you know? >> You've given them a lot of confidence to say that. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. Hold on really quick. Absence them.
01:28:47
SPEAKER_02>> Who are these [ __ ] bass chats? By the way, that's the most base [ __ ] I ever heard. Hey baby, you want to go out? By the way, you should be able to [ __ ] [laughter] vote. So it's like that's [ __ ] what? What the [ __ ] What are
01:28:58
SPEAKER_02you guys doing? What are you chances of getting laid on >> or in a [laughter] relationship? Far less. >> You can't [ __ ] me if I can't vote.
01:29:08
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I would say that that's [laughter] I would say that's a good idea, ladies. >> Yeah, she's going to lock your legs up. [laughter] >> I don't [ __ ] anyway. >> That'll teach the Christian nationalists that women are all going to stop being
01:29:20
Brian Atlasskanks if you don't let them vote. [laughter] >> So, >> I mean, really quick just on this point, really quick on this point. Uh, absent absent that these people disclosing that
01:29:32
Brian Atlasthey're viewers of the podcast, how could you even come to the determination that it's even my viewers that are sliding into your DMs trying to hit on you? >> They said they saw me on the podcast
01:29:44
Brian Atlas>> like a year ago. >> They I've still get DMs. I've been getting DMs. >> Well, I mean, really quick, my position on this So, you're saying some of these men are in favor of repealing the 19th? >> Yeah. I mean, my position on this is >> I just don't think that's a good way to to, you know, if you're trying to date
01:29:58
Jen Stonesomeone. >> Yeah. I think talking probably like if you're trying to flirt with somebody, >> then don't do that >> getting into politics. >> But it's a show that gave them the confidence to say that is what I'm saying. >> Well, hold on. Um, really quick on the
01:30:10
SPEAKER_04the question of the 19th. >> That sounds like togetherness to me instead of division. >> The bros togetherly being alone. >> So, it sounds like together.
01:30:19
Brian Atlas>> I think we're all lonely. Lonier. Sorry. What were you going to say? Yeah. So, on the topic of the 19th, I mean, me person, this is more so uh something Andrew has talked about, although my
01:30:31
Brian Atlasunderstanding of Andrew's position on this is he wants to pretty much claw back the voting rights from both men and women. Correct. >> Uh so, but as it relates specifically to the 19th and women's access to the vote,
01:30:43
Brian Atlasmy opinion on this has perhaps evolved to some degree. Uh currently in order for men to have access to the vote I know they have to register for the selective service. They are subject to
01:30:54
Brian Atlasforced military conscription uh in a way that women are not. This would be shut up please. You no no like I've I've asked you to not interrupt multiple times. >> I apologize. I apologize. I shouldn't have done
01:31:06
Brian Atlas>> but like can you stop interrupting please? I'm trying to get through a thought here without with you know at least go for 10 20 seconds without being interrupted. >> I apologize. It was rude. >> I just know what you're going to say already.
01:31:20
Jen Stone>> She knows what. Okay, tell me what I'm going to say then. >> You the same thing y'all say that it's it's not fair for for men. Um that they have to do that for the right to vote. Um >> so my position
01:31:32
Brian Atlas>> and I agree it's not fair. >> Okay. But my position is as follows. So perhaps I'm not quite as hardline as Andrew on this. I I'm actually perhaps in some ways you might even label me even more of a feminist than actual
01:31:44
Brian Atlasfeminist even more so than yourself. Perhaps I'm more of an egalitarian. Uh the current status quo is in order for men to have access to the right to vote, they have to register with the selective service. I believe the first step before
01:31:56
Brian Atlasrevoking women's right to vote is we ought to equalize this uh requirement. Women ought to have to register with the selective service. Uh and then of course women should keep their right to vote.
01:32:08
Brian AtlasHowever, if we're not going to have a serious conversation about equalizing this, then I'm actually if if we are if we make a determination that is you know what the current status quo quo remains
01:32:21
Brian Atlasmen have to continue registering for the selective service, men exclusively have to be uh the exclusive subjects of military conscription. Then under this
01:32:31
Brian Atlasuh under this landscape uh and if it's a final determination, no, women will never be subject to military conscription, then we should have a serious conversation about either
01:32:42
Brian Atlasrepealing the 19th or perhaps we can have the power of women's vote so they get half the power of a man's vote. That would be my position.
01:32:50
Jen Stone>> I agree for the majority of that. I mean, I I think uh I mean, I don't think anyone should have to do that, especially with AI technology and stuff coming out. It's probably unnecessary,
01:33:02
Jen Stonebut either get rid of that all together or women should have to do the same. >> Um yeah. Um >> okay, >> th those are my two options is that um
01:33:16
Jen Stoneyeah, >> I don't think anyone should be forced to do that for the right to vote. Um, but if we can't change that, yeah, give give women drones and [ __ ] Like, >> can I ask you a question? Uh, I guess
01:33:27
Brian Atlasmoving off the draft thing. Is uh this the system the current political system as is, isn't it divisive inherently? >> So, if you have Republicans and Democrats, isn't that already divisive?
01:33:40
Jen StoneTwo people want two groups of people want different things. >> I I would also change um change it from a two-party system because the way there is a two Yeah. The two-party system kind
01:33:51
Jen Stoneof forces us to to be divisive when 47% of people consider themselves an independent and with all these corporate >> uh people that Yeah. the the corporate
01:34:02
Jen Stoneum uh sorry my my brain's blanking. It's dyslexia thing. So the um the way it is is that most of us are being forced to
01:34:13
Jen Stonevote for people like we don't even really like um due to like the funding issues and who gets the media time. Literally everything I've been talking about um I didn't want to vote for
01:34:25
Jen StoneBiden. Um a lot of never Trumpers voted for Trump and they didn't like him. So I I would change um Thomas Bassie talks a lot about this. Um uh just the entire
01:34:37
Jen Stonesystem is set up for only two parties and it kind of forces people to pick shitty candidates and pick a side and if both sides suck, you choose the less
01:34:46
Jen Stonesucky one and we're all kind of stuck in this like this [ __ ] up Yeah. It's a [ __ ] up system the way we have it right now.
01:34:57
Brian Atlas>> Okay. You also wrote, moving on to the rest of your notes. Uh, you wrote, "I just want to tell you you're a little bitch." Little [ __ ] You You did write that. >> No. Little [ __ ] is it. I It wasn't
01:35:08
Brian Atlasactually Can you repeat it exactly what I wanted to how I said it? >> This is your quote. I just want to tell you you're a little [ __ ] >> Bish. Lil Bish is not an actual and I didn't >> [ __ ] Yeah. Bit t. >> Can I see that? I don't think I said
01:35:23
Brian Atlasthose words. >> You can look it up after the show. I'm not inventing. Don't be a little [ __ ] is what I said. Don't be a li I l B I It wasn't No, you Oh my god, bro. I don't know where I said for getting in the
01:35:37
Brian Atlasweeds. >> I know what I said. Don't change my words. >> I mean, do you want me to take a screenshot? Okay, tell you what. Do you have any cash on you if I take a screenshot of it? >> A dollar. >> How about this? You have to Venmo. >> Did I say don't be a little [ __ ] >> You want to do a bet? Do you want to do a bet?
01:35:50
Jen Stone>> No, wait. I'm I think you might have been right. Did I say don't be a little [ __ ] I said don't be a lil l i l bish. That means that's not a real insult. Don't be a little [ __ ] When someone I called you a [ __ ]
01:36:02
Jen Stone>> Are we debating about lil versus little? >> And I I said b i h. >> That's not the the substance of what I'm about to get into. >> Okay. But I'm just saying I never called you names. You literally did. The only name I called you. Yeah. You're Don't
01:36:16
Brian Atlaschange. >> I have it in front of me. I didn't change your words. Wait. Are you Do you want to shake hands? $1,000. >> What are the exact same? What are >> little [ __ ] >> Don't. But so what's the start? Little [ __ ] >> She's arguing about [ __ ] over little
01:36:31
Jen Stone[ __ ] >> What are the What's the first part of that? >> I you literally I'm not saying >> I said don't be a >> But I'm I'm asking what was the sentence? >> Tell me what the >> Do you want me to repeat it again? I
01:36:43
Brian Atlasjust want to tell you you're a little [ __ ] Little [ __ ] Not little [ __ ] >> That's what you wrote. Anyways, that's not >> I see it. I don't remember that. You're getting bogged down here. I'm moving it on to the next thing. >> Oh, I do remember that
01:36:55
Brian Atlas>> you wrote Oh my god, you're >> Jesus, >> dude. Can you like I You wrote I used to think you were okay and sort of nice. Can you shut up, please? Can you stop interrupting?
01:37:07
Brian Atlas>> You wrote I used to think you were okay and sort of nice, but you're fake AF and hide behind your mentally ill excuse me, mentally ill minions, my viewers and mystery. Okay. Um Okay. Okay. So, how am
01:37:20
Jen StoneI fake? >> Because this was also about the James Terico thing. I was talking about how like [ __ ] up the Charlie Kirk thing was and how I wanted to come here to talk about like real issues. Um, and I I
01:37:34
Jen Stonewas like spilling my heart about like how [ __ ] up shit's gotten in in society. And um and I I was mad about like you telling me to find people I
01:37:45
Jen Stonefind worthy. And I kept bringing up James Tarico, which would be be an awesome debate. Like it would be great. Um, and then you just keep ignoring me. So I talk about all these issues that I [clears throat] think are more important.
01:37:57
Jen Stone>> Oh, that make me fake though. What's >> Because like I thought that you didn't want to confront the actual issues like Yeah. Cuz I I spilled my heart out about like how corrupt the government is and
01:38:10
Jen Stoneum >> I mean Okay. and how I I wanted I had a message of because he was talking about how like the left is murderous and all
01:38:19
Jen Stonethis stuff and I was upset about the majority of okay I was upset about reactions on on both sides. Um so yeah I
01:38:30
Brian Atlaswas and then I I wanted to talk about it and I also brought up James Talerico. >> Wait, can I ask you a question? if I want to. Wait, wait, wait. Stop. Stop. So, um, we get a lot of requests for
01:38:41
Brian Atlaspeople who want to come on the show. Uh, a lot of requests. And you've already been on twice. And again, I'm not trying to say this to be insulting. Your previous performances were frankly lackluster. I I already said this. I
01:38:53
Brian Atlaskind of already regret having booked this already. Andrew, the superstar that he is, uh, a little beneath him. I apologize, Andrew, in advance. >> Dude, I've seen your other debates. No. >> Well, okay. Anyways,
01:39:05
Brian Atlas>> with who? The girls literally have nothing to say and just repeat stupid [ __ ] on the left with no thought whatsoever. >> I'm not saying this to like intentionally be insulting. You were kind of low priority in terms of getting
01:39:18
Brian Atlasyou back on the show. >> That's cool. >> Oh, but in any case, I'm not sure how that would be fake. It would be like I guess if if I is Joe Rogan like if I reach out to Joe Rogan and he's not responding to me, does that make him fake? >> No. What was fake
01:39:29
Jen Stone>> because I'm trying to get on his podcast. mistake is is um that I didn't I didn't think you wanted to talk about real issues. I was saying this is my purpose for being here and I kept saying James Terico um
01:39:43
Jen Stone>> okay >> and I was mad that I felt like I had real things to say that were bigger than culture issues to talk about. Well, I mean, I feel like you're kind of using you were named dropping James as an
01:39:57
Brian Atlaseffort to >> I'm telling you why I was mad shoehorn yourself into a debate, but like I reached out that email you sent me of his campaign manager, I reached out, no response. So, it seems like >> I told you ahead of time that it's going
01:40:09
Brian Atlasto take a while. >> Your relation or connection to James Terico is a bit dubious at this point. I kind of get the impression that it was just uh you actually have no connection
01:40:19
Brian Atlasto him and his perhaps interest in uh debate is a bit with Andrew Wilson perhaps a bit dubious but in any case >> why did I have the direct contact to the person
01:40:29
Jen Stone>> no response no >> I told you ahead of time that it's a >> and look at his travels listen when I when I contacted y'all James was not
01:40:40
Jen Stone>> mainstream and like a few weeks away from um A uh yeah the the voting has already started. Um so months and months and months ago how
01:40:51
Jen Stone>> when when I started volunteering for James I kept I I told you hey I I >> Who the [ __ ] is James Terico? [laughter] >> Now everybody's going to look him up. >> I don't know who the [ __ ] he is. >> He's a Christian Democrat who's running
01:41:05
Jen Stonefor the >> Oh yeah, absolutely. I'll debate with any I kept trying to and even on Joe when he was on Joe Rogan, I sent you the link of showing the comments where everyone was saying that that you need to debate him.
01:41:17
Jen Stone>> I sent you his thing. Uh I think that >> Yeah. Everybody Yeah. >> If he's a Christian Democrat, he can't win a debate. It's not possible. >> Well, >> he's pretty good at it. I guess so. Yeah. I was So, yeah, he might not be
01:41:31
Brian Atlasresponding now, but he's literally exploded through media and is traveling around right now. I don't know how I don't know how me >> I was trying to get it him to come months and months ago >> overlooking your messages out of the sea of messages that I do have on now that's
01:41:43
Jen Stonefake but whatever I'm not going to focus don't worry I'm not I'm just >> okay but >> it's cuz I I wanted to bring a real opponent to to debate him instead of these young >> Andrew has gone up against some of the
01:41:56
Jen Stonebest Andrew's debated some of the best debaters out there he's made >> you asked me you said you even said you pay me to find people who I thought were worthy to bring on the show and I find like the best person I >> You sent me two people and then one of
01:42:08
Jen Stonethem was >> No, no, people backed out. >> Um, but I've probably like five different times I brought up James Terrigo. >> You you Yeah, you sense like his name
01:42:20
Jen Stone>> and >> No, I showed you his Joe Rogan episode and and I showed you all the comments where everyone was saying that they need to debate. >> You got Tell you what, you got the connection. I'd be happy to host a one v one between Andrew and J. Christian Democrats aren't going to debate with
01:42:34
Brian Atlashim. >> But he's done debates like that. >> I'm very confident like those politicians already said >> those politicians only want to take the media that's going to paint them in a favorable way. He he went on Fox he's
01:42:47
Brian Atlasgone on Fox and [ __ ] >> Easy peasy compared to Andrew Andrew Wilson will demolish crush crush he if he was >> literally like a sermon. He he literally went to school like studying the Bible. Like >> Andrew would demolish it.
01:43:00
Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. do it all the time that you know how many times I get these these faux Christians who come in and they have these phony ass theology degrees. Cracks me up. >> Uh >> I went to I went to seminary school to
01:43:12
Andrew Wilsonfind liberal Jesus. >> Yeah, I was mostly irritated that literally. >> But the thing is is like look, I don't know this guy to be totally fair. I never even heard of him before. For all I know, he's one of the best debaters on
01:43:25
Andrew Wilsonplanet Earth, right? I got nothing against this guy. I'm happy to debate with him if he's a Christian Democrat. Those are my favorite. So, I'm I'm happy to do it. I got no I got no dog in this fight. >> So, basically, I was just upset that
01:43:37
Jen Stonelike I felt like you only wanted to bring people in that um Yeah. Uh I was talking about corruption on both sides and Okay. >> I was talking Yeah. >> It It was mostly like I thought you were being fake.
01:43:51
SPEAKER_01>> That's crazy. >> Giovani Jade, you donated $200. >> Sounds right. Tarico is a disgusting hippie Jesus heretic who wears our faith like a skin suit. So you people who
01:44:01
SPEAKER_01despise Christianity will clap like seals. He will never debate anyone with an ounce of theology. >> Anyways, >> Jesus kind of was a hippie. >> Giovani kind of wasn't Giovani. Really
01:44:13
Andrew Wilsongood to see you. Uh thanks for the message there. Take Paul out of it and Yeah. Jesus. >> You mean take the pinnacle part of the gospel out of it and then he will be as long as we just take out the parts that
01:44:25
Brian Atlasyou don't like. >> No, I mean we can compare uh if you let me take my notes out what he said that >> just I'm kind of just trying to rapid fire through these things here and then we can get back to some of the prompts. Uh you also in terms of your criticisms
01:44:38
Brian Atlaslevied Andrew by the way Andrew's been a guest on the dating talks very frequently. He's our most reoccurring guests. Uh, and thank you whatever for having me by the way to do that. >> I agree. Thank you for having me.
01:44:50
Brian Atlas>> But one of the critic criticisms levied was your whole show's premise is about the male lonely loneliness epidemic, but you're spewing garbage that makes women
01:45:01
Brian Atlasrepulsed by men, ensuring all your incel homeboys never get laid. Uh, so really quick, just my response to that and then I'll let you respond. Uh, so you wrote that the whole show, the dating talk, the
01:45:14
Brian Atlaswhole show's premise is about the male loneliness epidemic. Uh, this just simply false. The male loneliness, excuse me, the male loneliness epidemic
01:45:25
Brian Atlasis not the premise of the show. It's a broad dating discussion show. Um, I don't even really talk about the male
01:45:34
Brian Atlasloneliness epidemic. It's maybe come up like that that actual term that actual term uh has maybe come up two three times on
01:45:46
Brian Atlasthe show. It's not a central focus of the conversations that are had on the show. So, your premise is flawed. Your premise is erroneous. The premise of the whatever uh the dating
01:45:58
Jen Stone>> it's a dating I know it's a dating >> it's not the about the male lon loneliness epidemic. >> I should have broadened it but yeah it >> it's a total straw man. It doesn't it doesn't change the fact that your show
01:46:11
Jen Stonemakes people more more repulsed of each other. >> My my show makes people more repulsed. >> Yeah. The >> Yeah. When people are coming into my DMs, the way that it's because of the
01:46:23
Jen Stoneway people spoke to me in the DMs about their rights to vote and all of that. And um when you're showcasing people who are um young and dumb, um you give the
01:46:36
Jen Stoneoppression >> like you I'm not young, but thank you. >> How old are you? >> 38. >> Well, I'll take back the young part. >> So, what can you tell me what makes me
01:46:47
Brian Atlasdumb? I'm not good at debate. What have I agree with the majority of what you say, so what makes me dumb? >> Well, let's let's investigate your claim first before I have to give an accounting of what would make you dumb.
01:47:00
Brian AtlasBut you're claiming I bring on these young and dumb women. Um, how how's that? I I don't understand how that's related.
01:47:09
Jen Stone>> Yeah. Because you give an image that um we're all asking for people to make a million dollars and that people
01:47:20
Jen Stone>> I'm giving a broad of what how people perceive it that everybody's entitled. >> Okay. If I perceived you as a dinosaur, is that correct?
01:47:32
Jen Stone>> Is that true? >> In your head. >> Okay. But so is it possible that somebody could have a false perception? >> Yeah, that's cool. You want I get you're doing some good things with that. But I think if you're doing some good things
01:47:44
Jen Stoneabout getting rid of people's perceptions on Yeah, feminism did go too far. you are doing some good things um
01:47:55
Jen Stoneto get rid of some people's perceptions. But I think if you wanted to be fair on it, um you would have a broader sense of
01:48:05
Jen Stonepeople even maybe bringing young like Trump supporters and testing them out to see if they know how many branches of government they are. There are >> wait hold on wait let me get back. >> I don't want you're gish you're you're
01:48:17
Brian Atlasdoing a gish gallop. So basically I would like an attempt to maybe we can do one by one. >> Yeah, I was going to get back to the point >> because if you give me a bullet like 10 things. It's hard for me. So I'd like to
01:48:28
Brian Atlasdo one by one. So okay, you're saying that that there's a lacking of diversity in terms of the guests that we have on the panel. You're saying Brian, you bring on a very narrow range, a very
01:48:38
Brian Atlasnarrow type of women onto the show that isn't representative of, you know, there's these really intelligent women out there or there's women on the left. And by the way, uh the panels are
01:48:49
Brian Atlasfrequently tend to be pretty a little split politically. You'll have women who are liberal, women who are moderate, you'll have women who are right-wing, you'll have women who are conservatives.
01:49:00
Brian AtlasSo this idea that I'm, for example, only bringing on liberal women is not true. And by the way, liberal women and conservative women can equally get the smoke. Because a lot of these
01:49:12
Brian Atlasconservative women, they're covert feminists. They're actually feminists. And uh you know Sarah Stark, who we had on the show, who recently had this who who was most people would have said
01:49:24
Brian Atlasbased off of her political takes was like super rightwing, like far rightwing. Uh and she's a total [ __ ] She's basically Lauren Southern. >> Yeah. I've >> total grifter. >> Yeah. >> Total trad fraud.
01:49:38
Brian Atlas>> There's a lot of them out there, >> right? So this idea that you know you can't I'm not levying this criticisms toward >> uh conservative women is completely false conservative women can get the smoke too.
01:49:51
Brian Atlas>> Honestly some way hold on really quick final thing and I'll I'll pass it back to you. >> I think some of these conservative women >> you know I sometimes respect the OF girls the the hoes they're the liberal
01:50:02
Brian Atlaswomen because in some ways they tell the truth. At least they they take ownership of being [ __ ] totally. >> Whereas some of these conservative chicks, the trades,
01:50:13
Brian Atlasthey [ __ ] lie. They're Sarah Stock. They're claiming to be Trad, but they're not. They're I'm a virgin, but they're not. Some of these, a lot of these girls who come on claiming they're conservative Tr,
01:50:27
Brian AtlasBy the way, I I make it a habit not to expose people, but I'll get DMs from some guy that they were smashing the week before, so they can all get the smoke. It's not I'm not just picking on
01:50:38
Brian Atlasthe liberal women, but we have a we have a vast diversity of guests. They they're young, they're old. We've had women who are 18 all the way to in their 70s. We've had women who are in their 20s,
01:50:48
Brian Atlas30s, 40s, 50s, 60s come on the show. We've had women, >> aren't you close to 40? >> Yeah, she's 38. >> We've had women who are uh have bachelor's degrees, master's degrees,
01:51:01
Brian AtlasPhDs. We've had doctors, we have had lawyers, we have had professional women, and yes, we've had like women who are sex workers, we've had Only Fans girls on, we've had women who've dropped out of college, dropped out of high school
01:51:13
Brian Atlaseven. So, we've had a vast diversity of guests in terms of their age, in terms of their profession, their political leaning, their educational achievement. By the way, I'm not some intellectual titan here. I dropped out of community
01:51:26
Brian Atlascollege. I used to do silly prank videos. I'm not I wasn't schooled. I don't have a philosophical foundation for my uh when I when I engage in these debates, sometimes I get smoked. I get
01:51:38
Brian AtlasI'm on the back foot sometimes. So, this idea that I'm some intellectual titan bullying these uneducated women. Actually, the truth is the majority of our guests on average have higher educational achievement than me, the
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Jen Stonecollege dropout. >> Look, I agree. Anyways, >> that wasn't really about the really it it's it's kind of it's mostly it's not about any
01:52:02
Jen Stoneof that. It's I realize my issues is when he's on the show and the way he talks to people. >> He just doesn't like you, Andrew. >> I I do like you. I just don't like the way you speak to people.
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Jen Stone>> You've spoken to you've spoken to me worse today than I've spoken to you. >> No, I mean, you're being great. It's It's every now and then you'll go and Yeah. you'll say some [ __ ] up [ __ ]
01:52:24
Andrew Wilson>> when people do horrible things to me and I respond. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Let me defend myself here for a second. >> Right. >> What it seems to me is that the most
01:52:35
Andrew Wilsoncommon complaint that I hear is that I don't allow myself to get bullied, attacked, my wife to get attacked, my family members to get attacked and doxed, and I'm not a passive [ __ ] when that happens. That seems to actually be
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Andrew Wilsonwhat all those criticisms tend to reduce to. Give me an example of when it is that I was way out of line where the other person wasn't doing everything in their power to be agitating or to come
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Jen Stoneafter me first. >> Agitating? What do you mean by agit? Did they call you something messed up first or did you just call them [ __ ] and tell
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Andrew Wilson>> I I first of all first of all when I call a woman a [ __ ] or a prostitute it's because she's a [ __ ] or a prostitute. Do like do you recognize the distinction? It's like um
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Jen Stone>> I get what you're saying. >> So if you're not a prostitute for stating a fact. So >> Oh, what was the fact >> that she has um
01:53:34
Andrew Wilson>> three baby daddies, which is not meant to be an insult, was it? It's not an insult. >> It's not Well, help me out here. >> It's not an insult. >> I'm just wondering if you're married to
01:53:42
Andrew Wilsona man and you have his children, >> is he your baby daddy? Um, I mean technically >> that's what you consider a baby daddy.
01:53:54
Andrew WilsonSo every so every couple out there, every married couple, >> all of their wives have baby daddy. >> I mean, technically. >> So then I guess my response in the future should just be, well, so what?
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Andrew WilsonYou got a baby daddy? Does that even make sense? That sounds >> I don't think she meant it as an insult at all. >> Of course she did. Not only that, her prescription what honestly and the
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Jen Stonereason that it got so uh brutal back and forth was because she basically wanted me to kill my kids. >> I saw the she didn't want you to kill twisting what happened. She was making a dig at you cuz
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Jen Stone>> she said it would be better to have aborted. She said it would be better to kill my kids. Yeah. >> From my perspective, it looked like she was taking a dig at like having you >> and then Rachel called her, smacked her around, which was hilarious. The whole
01:54:42
Andrew Wilsonpoint was is like, fine, if you women want to make digs at my wife, do it to my wife because watching her completely dismantle and destroy your worldviews is
01:54:54
Andrew Wilsonone of the funnest things that anybody has ever seen on planet Earth. And the reason women tend to attack me through her is because they're petrified of her for good reason. >> Your wife is awesome. I'm just saying
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Andrew Wilsonyou just took it as an insult and she didn't really say anything insulting. >> [ __ ] That's lies and [ __ ] and reframing. And not only that, >> I I didn't see insult. Let's just let me just seed the ground that one time,
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Andrew Wilsonlet's just assume for a second. One time after a six-hour debate with a bad faith interlocator who was so stupid, the thing she had a degree in, I still smoked her on. >> Oh, I I saw that. >> Okay. The thing she had a degree in that she studied her whole life, I still beat
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Andrew Wilsonher on that topic, too. Just having a passive knowledge of it. Okay. Let's just assume for a second that one time I lost control briefly. So what? Done thousands of debates. How many debates have you done?
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Andrew Wilson>> This one. >> Yeah. So the thing is is like and you haven't exactly kept your cool. You haven't exactly been cool, calm, and collected. You haven't exactly uh balanced the room. You haven't exactly
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Andrew Wilsonhad the best showing. And so the thing is is it's like even if it's the case that I were to grant this that out of 6 hours of completely decimating this person's worldview, she managed to get in 15 seconds of a dunk that liberals
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Andrew Wilsonwent crazy over who were homosexuals mostly by the way. >> Um the the fact of the matter is is like so what? Anybody else who's in my shoes, right, they just get decimated by these
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Jen Stonepeople over and over and over and over and over again. They can't keep their cool. They can't stay calm. They can't stay collected. Case in point. >> What do you mean? Like, yeah, my brain gets foggy and I lose track of what I'm
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Jen Stonesaying, but I haven't been mad. I've stuck up for our the conversation that we had. The only time I got annoyed was when he went against the terms of what we agreed to. >> No. So, you got annoyed? >> Yeah. I wasn't mean to him. Was I mean
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Andrew Wilsonto him? >> How could you be annoyed when you felt like somebody was being bad faith and misrepresenting something? You got Hang on. I didn't wasn't >> Are you saying that when you felt like somebody was being misrepresentative of a view?
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Jen Stone>> I stuck up for myself in a nice way. You stuck up myself and got every time I do something wrong, I apologize. I think for having me. >> Well, now go do 3,000 more of these and we'll see if you ever lose control in one.
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Andrew Wilson>> But the thing is, it's funny is it's like, yeah, of course people are going to attack me viciously and occasionally they're going to get some a vicious attack back, but generally speaking, I
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Jen Stonematch energy. I think that sometimes your attacks go a lot higher than the others. I I mean I'd have to relook >> you have no examples.
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Brian Atlas>> Are your yawns genuine by the way? >> I yawning like every single second. >> What? >> I don't know. You know how somebody could yawn? >> No. Like you know when you like >> Yeah, it keeps almost happening over. >> I know what a yawn is, but sometime you