30 Year Old 10/10 Will ONLY Date A BILLIONAIRE?! 5ft Girl ONLY Dates 6ft2+ Men?! | Dating Talk #235

Date: 2025-03-24

Duration: 7h 49m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSelena (Bottle)>

EEve (Pre-Med)>

HHaley (Below Deck)>

DDestiny (Vet)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Eve (Pre-Med)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Alana(guest)

SPEAKER_04Felicity(guest)

SPEAKER_05Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Haley (Below Deck)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Mitchie(guest)

SPEAKER_11Selena (Bottle)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Alex Amora(guest)

SPEAKER_13Destiny (Vet)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced including Below Deck TV personality and 3rd-time Alex Amora

ControversyAlex demands billionaire minimum husband income

Key MomentDestiny: ~25-50% of men she encountered attempted assault

Key MomentHaley: sugar daddy gifted £200K house, ~£1M total from primary arrangement

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Alex Amora (3rd appearance), Haley (Below Deck), Eve, Mitchie, Selena, Alana, Destiny, Felicity.

Alex Billionaire Demand

Alex demands billionaire minimum. Extended debate on sincerity vs trolling.

Man vs Bear

Destiny reveals 25-50% of men she encountered attempted assault.

Trans Identity Debate

Extended debate on trans women, sex vs gender, criminal penalties for misgendering.

Body Count Round

Haley ~300 (half work-related). Mitchie lost count (hundreds). Alana ~15. Destiny 2.

Haley Sugar Daddy/Escort History

£200K house gift. £3-4K/night escorting. £15K for Hawaii trip. ~£1M total from primary sugar daddy.

Transcript

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Brian Atlascome there? because I've like ran into a lot of men that have So 50% of the men that you've just ran into, you've like you've done an analysis and you're like, "Okay, 50% of men are potential

Brian Atlasrapists." Well, the men that I've met. Yeah. So like all the men that like you went to high school with, like your friend group, your social circle, your teachers, um your family. We already

Brian Atlastalked about that. And then just like the random men that you see walking down the street, like 50% of them like in your mind you're like 50% chance this guy's a rapist. Yeah, maybe. What do you

Brian Atlasmean? Yeah, maybe. Wouldn't that be an entailment of your position? Have 50% of the men like

Destiny (Vet)attempted to rape you? Um, yes. Well, not 50%, but actually, yeah, 50%. It's horrible. Yeah, it's really horrible.

Brian AtlasHold on. No, no, no, no, no. I've been before. Okay, sure. That's fine. But 50% of the men that you've encountered have

Brian Atlasattempted to rape you? Not I'd say like a little less than 50%. Okay. What percentage of the men that you've encountered have attempted this

Brian Atlascrime? Like 25%. One in four men that you've encountered have attempted to sa you. Does this track for any of the women here? Like so I think one in four men

Alex Amorathat you just walk past they like try. Really? Does that track for any of the other girls here? No, I think where she's coming from maybe and I could be maybe I'm I'm just trying to interpret what you were saying of like if you were

Alex Amorain the forest, right? And since you have already been a victim of essay and right and that's like a trauma for you. Maybe if you were um alone by yourself as a woman, right? That's a like oh there's a

Alex Amora50/50 shot right then and there in your mind with a stranger of like something could happen. this could either be really good or really bad. I think that's what she meant by that because I I get that as a woman in

Brian Atlasgeneral. It comes from a place of trauma that I understand that she didn't necessarily 50%. So does that track that one in four men that you guys have encountered have attempted to like essay actually attempted to for me? No,

Alex Amoraspecifically, but I'm just saying I'm trying to like kind of help her explain maybe what was that kind of what you were saying. Like there's a 50/50 shot if you're in the forest maybe and you're like, "Okay, it's me and one guy. It's a

Brian Atlas50/50 shot if something bad happens or if nothing happens." So you think her position is justified because she has like past trauma from like previous bad experience and her mind short. Yeah. If she has previous trauma. Yeah. like what if like these sort this sort of like

Brian Atlasrhetoric and narratives are like perpetuated uh to other women and then like by proxy about other men. So basically you have like huge demographics of women who think men are like terrible predators, abusers, all

Brian Atlasthis sort of thing. Do you think that this is like overall a good thing for society for women to view men as like basically criminals and predators? Well, again I think that's a loaded question. How's a loaded question? Because I don't see how what she was saying for her own

Alex Amorapersonal standpoint, if she was in a forest alone of her own like what's a it's a 50/50 shot if something bad were to happen necessarily correlates to like

Andrew Wilsonsociety. Yeah. Well, I mean we can look at a really neat way to reframe this, but that's not actually what happened. So I was trying to keep track of the convo. Brian specifically asked one So one in four men that you've encountered

Andrew Wilsonhave tried to do this and she said yes. 25%. Yes. Nothing about a forest or being trapped in a forest or nothing like that. Well, it's where it stemmed from when she said 50%. Hold on. Just let me finish. Let go ahead. Yeah, but

Andrew Wilsonthen but then it was clarified, right? It was clarified. Like, so you actually believe that one in four men would do this and that's fine if you do. There's a lot of women. Well, I already said that I didn't personally cuz right, that's not my experience. I understand.

Andrew WilsonI'm not I'm not putting her position on you. That wouldn't be fair to do. Yeah. But what I am saying is that that was actually her position. So the thing is is like and and here's the other thing.

Andrew WilsonLet me ask this. Um for those of you who picked bear, raise your hand real quick. Okay. So we'll start with you on the right uh chair one. If you were running away from a bear that you

Alex Amoraspawned into in the forest and you came across a random man, would you yell at him for help? Would you ask him for help? So my answer wasn't specifically around the argument that you're looking for. So I don't really think that my

Alex Amoraanswer per se is relevant because you want to see a bear. Yeah, I was I like animals. So I I wasn't looking at it go to a zoo. You just go to a zoo. Well, that's not what the question asked. So

Alex Amorait asked if you were in the forest, what would you rather see, a man or a bear? I'm saying if I'm by myself already, I'd rather see a bear because I like nature. Forest. Which would you rather be trapped in a forest with a man or a bear? Now, which would you rather see?

Alex AmoraWas that the question? Was that the question? Yeah, that's the question. You spawn Well, you spawn into a forest essentially. Well, on the That wasn't the question. On the actual paper, was that the question? Fair enough. Fair enough. Forest with a man. No, no, no. Let's hear it out. What was the actual

Andrew Wilsonwording so I can be very It says, "Would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest?" Cross paths. Nothing about running. So, would you would you still Would you prefer? Well, I don't know. I didn't read the question. I don't know. Exactly. But

Andrew Wilsonstill, but still, um, I actually conceded the point and said, "Maybe I'm wrong on the trap." So, I'm fine making a concession about something. I know you're not, but I'm fine with it. So, well, I'm just stating facts cuz that

Andrew Wilsonwasn't the question. Real quick, when you cross paths with a bear, right, or a man, if the bear decided to, I don't know, viciously go after you and he came across a man, would you ask him for

Andrew Wilsonhelp? That's my question. Yes or no? Okay. So the question is if I need qualifiers, just a yes or no would be great. No, but I need to understand the situation to give you an answer. Okay. Well, go ahead and repeat the question

Alex Amorathen if you didn't understand it because if I'm already running from a bear, right, and there's a man that is also crossing paths, I'm going to naturally assume and I'm this is a genuine answer. I literally don't need your story. I

Andrew Wilsonjust need a yes or no. But like I can't answer the question. So you're you're not then you're done participating in this conversation. Yeah. So, hang on. Share too. Uh, yes or yes or no. If you

Selena (Bottle)were running from a bear in a forest and you saw a random man, would you uh ask the random man for help? Yeah, for sure. Cuz I could communicate with the man and I can't communicate with the bear. And

Mitchiebut you did pick the bear, right? No, I I picked I'd rather be with a man. The chair three. I picked the bear, but I didn't know the question was going towards that direction, but I would ask anyone for help. You would ask anyone

Andrew Wilsonfor help, right? Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't that kind of give evidence against spawning or crossing paths with the bear to begin with? Because if you were to ask the man for help, right, this random

Andrew Wilsonman you crossed paths with, couldn't he help you with a bear and then equally do the same amount of horrid [ __ ] that you wouldn't want him to do when you cross. That's true. So maybe I just keep running. Doesn't that kind of give

Mitchieevidence against your position a little bit? Well, I didn't I didn't really chair one. Not talking to you, chair one. So anyway, so yeah, chair three real quick. Well, I didn't really understand that question like that was on the paper. I thought it was like, oh, would you rather see a man or a bear?

Andrew WilsonOh, okay. Who who else raised her hand if they picked a bear? They'd rather cross it was her right here. Yeah. Yeah. And so would you would you ask a random man

Andrew Wilsonfor help if a bear was chasing you? No. No. So a bear vision a bear is chasing you down. It's screaming. It's roaring. You see a man, he's walking, has a rifle. You wouldn't you wouldn't call for help?

Brian AtlasOh, because you're afraid that midchase the guy has a 50% chance of like, oh, here's my chance

Brian Atlasto commit a sex crime. Like, what? Okay. Um, I'm curious on this though. Uh, unless Sandra, you were continuing your

Brian Atlasthing or Okay. Um, what about like when it comes to bathrooms? Um, does your answer change? Like would you rather man

Brian Atlasrather a man or a bear wanders into uh the bathroom the the woman's bathroom? That's a very different scenario. I Yes. I just gave you a new scenario. Do you

Alex Amorawant to answer the question or do you want to drag this on? Sure. Um yeah, sure. A man can come into the bathroom. Okay. What about you? Probably a man. Okay.

Destiny (Vet)If you were in a bathroom, would you rather a man or a bear wanders in? Well, would I have stalls in the bathroom? Sure. And And it could be like a trans woman. Okay, then I I'll take the bear cuz I'll probably be in a stall using

Brian Atlasthe bathroom. I suppose I should have said male instead of man, but yeah, it could be a trans woman. Wait, so Oh, okay. That's interesting. So like in the forest where you can like

Andrew Wilsonthere's escape routes bear. Well, no. I mean, I can I can actually understand. It makes a lot of sense to me that why a person would pick um a bathroom stall to

Andrew Wilsonprotect themselves from a 1,000 pound ridiculously strong monster. Um that makes a lot of sense to me, though. I can with one hand rip a bathroom stall

Andrew Wilsondoor off of its hinge like it's nothing because the locks are very flimsy, made out of cheapass metal, and they just have a what's called a compartment slit. So, they're actually very weak. Um, I'm

Brian Atlassure a bear would have a ton of trouble getting in there, though. Uh, I guess one one other question on this. Um, do you guys think that if you pick bear

Brian Atlasinstead of man, do you think that that's sexist?

Brian AtlasOh, come on. My original answer had nothing to do with that. That's what I'm trying to explain here, right? But like from the male perspective, it's like okay, she'd rather be with like a Yeah, you get you

Brian Atlaslike bears or whatever. You like animals. Uh but you'd pick like there's a survival like the question talks there's like a sort of an implication of a survival situation here. I know what you're talking about.

Brian AtlasI like bears are dangerous, right? Yeah. Yeah. You think men are dangerous? They could be. They could be. Yeah. So you're picking a wild animal over a man. But this is really this is sort of your

Brian Atlastrollish way to not actually engage with like the the spirit of the question which is like oh I just like you've heard the bear or man question right? Yeah. Yeah. You know what the spirit of it is. It's not like asking oh do you

Brian Atlasprefer like do you like but you ask me the bathroom situation I answered honestly with that too. I picked the man over the bear in the bathroom. Yeah. But so like you don't when you're asked the

Brian Atlasquestion of uh man versus bear, you're not analyzing it from a safety standpoint at all. Sure. Sure. So from a safety standpoint,

Brian Atlaswould you rather be in the forest with a man or a bear? A man. Oh, interesting. Okay, that's cool. So, but do you think it if a woman were to pick bear instead of man from a safety context, do you

Alex Amorathink that that would be like a sexist position against men? That's not what I believe. So, I don't know. I can't answer on behalf of those women. What do you mean you can't answer? I think, you know, and I've seen that trend on TikTok, right? Everyone's seen

Alex Amorathe trend. So, you're going to say sorry. Um, I think a lot of women that maybe have that stance have traumas associated with sexual assault. So I can't speak on

Brian Atlasbehalf of them and how they feel and their view on it, right? Yeah. Sure. So how is that me not participating? Yeah. But so I understand that like women have can and do have trauma as it

Brian Atlasrelates to experiences with men. Absolutely. This is not something I deny. But I guess my question is uh would it be sexist with or without

Brian Atlastrauma to pick uh to basically of what you know about the the risk assessment when it comes to men to pick a wild animal, a bear over a random man? A

Alex Amorarandom bear versus random man. Is that sexist? Do you think it's sexist? Do you think it would be sexist or is sexist? It wasn't my answer. So I really don't have an opinion. Do guys feel like that's what hurts their feelings if women don't feel

Brian Atlassafe around men? Is that what we're getting at here? No, not really. Do you feel like that would be sexist? Like for anybody that answers I absolutely do think if you answer bare

Brian Atlasin like in the spirit of how the question is asked and it pertains to like a safety concern. Yeah, I do think it's sexist. Okay. Because you're doing a risk assessment and you're basically it's a temperature check. like, okay,

Brian Atlasyou think like this proportion of men are basically rapists or like have violent intentions and so I'm gonna pick a wild animal over men. Yeah, it's absolutely sexist and I can explain it a

Brian Atlasdifferent way. Uh, let's change it a little bit, though. So, why don't we make it about race? So, let's say a white person has had trauma as it relates to dealing with a black

Brian Atlasperson. They have a history of trauma with somebody who's black. And for this reason, and perhaps maybe they don't even have direct trauma, but uh they've known people who have been assaulted by

Brian Atlasblack people and they see news stories and they belong to online groups and the algorithm on TikTok is feeding them uh you know, stories about, oh, this black person, I'm a white person, they uh

Brian Atlasattacked me, they assaulted me violently, whatever it may be. And because of their safety concerns, uh they're scared of black people. They believe that uh say 50% like she said

Brian Atlas50% of black people uh have like a tendency towards like violence or like some sort of uh crime like essay for example and so they then

Alex Amorapick instead of a black person they pick the bear instead of the black person. Would you say that that would be a racist position if that's based on their own thoughts and experiences? Who am I to tell them

Brian Atlasthat that's like you know what I mean? Oh, I mean sure. I guess you can acknowledge that they have a preference, but you want to answer the actual question. That is my answer to Is it racist? Is it racist? Yes. Would it be

Brian Atlasracist? Would it be racist? Own experiences to come up with their own conclusion on something. Yeah. Now, let's say like large swats of the white population had this similar fear because they were either fed like propaganda or

Brian Atlasthere's like algorithms in their TikTok like basically just painting black people as like these violent criminals, right? And so then these white people are starting to like, okay, well, in what kind of dimensions can we like try

Brian Atlasto segregate ourselves from black people? Can we like um exclude them from like perhaps our workplace? Uh would you agree that that would be uh racist to a

Alex Amoracertain extent? But like in what way are men getting that? I'm confused. Like how are men experiencing exactly what you

Brian Atlassaid? Uh, exhibit A, she just said 50, she thinks 50% of men are essayers. I mean, that's what she said. That's her own personal beliefs. That doesn't reflect my beliefs. Okay. What What's your uh If you had to assign a

Brian Atlaspercentage of like the adult male US population that's inclined towards like essay. Yeah. What do you think it is? I have no idea. What do you think? What have you heard feminists propagate? I actually don't know. What is the

Alex Amorafeminist rhetoric on this? I don't read. You didn't go Did you go to college? They didn't give you like tuto like tutorials on this [ __ ] tutorial. I graduated premed. Why would they give me tutorials on usually? There's like how

Brian Atlasmany people sex assault people? I'm confused. I'm lost. No, there's absolutely like typically like freshman orientation there's some sort of like consent class and they'll typically like present you with like these totally

Alex Amorabogus inflated statistics like one in four, one in three college women are going to be graped. Like totally bogus. I must not have been there. I know men who've also been graped in college.

Alex AmoraAbsolutely. I didn't particularly feed into that. I I wasn't there for that seminar. I'm not quite sure. Um and I graduated a long time ago. Did you ever take like a feminist studies class? No. Okay. So, you're not familiar with like

Brian Atlasthe really commonly cited statistic. It's either like one in four, one in three women are going to like get raped in like college or something like this, which is totally um totally fabricated

Brian Atlasand not true. But well, I'll take that from I've never heard that statistic. Cool. So basically what's happening is you've taught a generation of women to have like total fear of men and they

Brian Atlasthink like one in four, one in three, 50% of men are literally sex criminals or have the potential to be sex criminals. I think that's a pretty despicable thing to like paint an entire

Alex Amoragender as. Okay. Yeah. Do you think it's despicable? If it's or do you Go ahead. Yeah. If it's being portrayed that way, then sure. Okay. I just I personally am not familiar with those studies or those

Alex Amorastatistics. So, I just feel like I personally can't speak on behalf of it. If I did, I would really You've never heard about like those statistics? Um, okay, that's fine. What is like the actual statistic? You said that the other one was Well, I mean, you can

Brian AtlasYeah. I mean, there's the often like uh I'm just like I'm just curious. I'm coming at an unbiased question. Yeah. So, you could look at like FBI crime statistics. You could look at the Department of Justice of uh crime

Brian Atlasstatistics related to this. I don't have it off the top of my head, but it's like far far lower than the often repeated like one in four, one in three women have been like graped thing. And I

Brian Atlasactually looked at like the surveys that they've done to arrive at that number. And they'll include things like I'm trying to think, have you ever been cat-c calledled? And then they'll they'll include this in sort of like

Brian Atlasthis overarching sexual violence term where they'll incorporate cat calling. If you say, "Yes, I've been cat- called." or like yes, a guy said like an inappropriate thing to me that's going to count towards that statistics of

Andrew Wilsonsexual violence and then that gets conflated with the rates of rape which is just totally bogus. That is very well not only that but there's also exclusion which happens because of the classification of non-penetr

Andrew Wilsonnon-penetrative versus penetrative sex. So, uh, men who are, uh, raped by women because it's non-penetrative depending on which data you're looking at. It's

Andrew Wilsonjust not counted at all. Yeah. But it absolutely happens. Yeah, it absolutely happens. It just depends on how you on how you parse the data sources on that,

Andrew Wilsontoo, which I think is interesting. But I'm not going to uh belabor the point. You guys don't have stats in front of you, so it would be kind of fundamentally unfair for me to have the expectation that you'd be able to cite these things off the top of your head.

Andrew WilsonThe point of Brian's question was not to ask whether or not uh you knew what the stats were, but just based off of intuition what you would think the percentage or, you know, would you would

Andrew Wilsonyou put it at high or very low or very high or very low for the chances of um you know, random man just uh just testing a random woman essentially. Yeah. Yeah. And I I stand on my answer

Alex Amorawith like I think everyone has their own personal experiences that lead them to have their own perspective on that. Personally, I haven't totally agree. Yeah. I haven't had scenarios at very

Alex Amoralow or very high. Yeah. I haven't had scenarios where that's been a problem for me. So I personally don't see the world in that way. Yeah. So you would put it at very low from your experience

Andrew Wilsonfor me personally, but I can't speak on behalf of anyone else here. Yeah, he wasn't asking you to. So, but I think we got to the to the heart of it. Then you would just put it at very low. Okay.

SPEAKER_01California donated 200 roasted already. Bricksen, please use this money to finally get a commercial driver's license. Department of Transportation. You needed to be hauling that absolute dump truck of yours around. Oh, thank

Brian Atlasyou, man. Thank you. Appreciate it. I'm working on it. I'm working on it. I'm working like trying to get it like an 18-wheeler, you know? So, it's in the works. Thank you. California Department of Transportation. We have a massandre

Brian Atlasmisandress TTS that's about to come through and then I have one more question on the bear thing. I have a question. Christine donated $200. I'm tired of everyone dancing

SPEAKER_01around this. I will just be straight up. This question is to remind men that we hate you and I choose Bear. I hate men and I want my sisters to be with me. Men

Brian Atlasare trash. Fair enough. It's kind of interesting the women's responses. They're like all smiling. Yes. Like ah there she's saying the quiet part out loud. Like men are

Brian Atlastrash. But this I think it's interesting like the sort of social acceptance of mis misandry uh and like manhatred. It's pretty socially accepted. Like you're not really going to get in trouble with it. W other women aren't going to correct you. And then uh like in

Brian Atlasuniversity if you're saying like man-hating [ __ ] there's typically like never any sort of repercussions. It's just kind of socially acceptable to like openly say like very negative things or sexist things or misandress things against men. Men are trash. Um men are,

Brian Atlasyou know, men are bad. All these sorts of thing. In fact, I posted something on my Twitter the other day uh on on TikTok. There's a lot of like anti-male hashtags that are allowed. So like I think it's um I forgot exactly what it

Brian Atlasis. I think it was like men are trash is allowed, but women are trash is not allowed. I don't think either should be allowed, but it's interesting that men are trash. you you can make Tik Toks about that and use that hashtag. There's

Brian Atlaslike 55,000 videos on Tik Tok that use the hashtag men are trash, but Tik Tok the administr the uh company has banned the hashtag women are trash, which I

Brian Atlasthink is kind of indicative of like the social acceptance of male male hatred versus female hatred. I do have one final question on the bear, then Andrew, I know you wanted to come in. Uh, if you could get rid of all men and this an

Brian Atlasentailment of this, this would mean that women would never experience essay from men again. Would you do it? Would I get rid of men? Yeah. No.

Brian AtlasNo. We need men to like No. No. Most of my friends are men. No. No. No. No. Speak closer to the mic, guys, please.

Andrew WilsonBut um, no. That was mostly for you desk just because uh Andrew you had something. Sorry. So I actually had a bunch of questions that eventually I think we'll

Andrew Wilsonadd to the questionnaire maybe but I wanted to ask a few of them this session. So uh if you had to so you only have the choice of one or the other. You have I don't know what the conditionals are for why you have to do this thing

Andrew Wilsonbut you do. You have to go on a date with a random misogynist or a random male feminist. All right. Now we're going to go in reverse. In reverse because chair one's annoying. Uh so in

Andrew Wilsonreverse. Uh starting with the gal next to Brian. Would you rather go on a date with a random misogynist or a random

Haley (Below Deck)male feminist? A male feminist. Okay. Next chair. Say a male feminist. Okay. Male feminist. Okay. Can you remind me of a misogynist?

Andrew WilsonAndrew Tate. I've completely Is that a good example, Andrew? What is that again? Not misogynist. Well, it depends on perspective what you would consider. A woman hater. Oh,

Haley (Below Deck)bloody hell. No. A feminist. Absolutely. Every day of the week. Male feminist. Absolutely. Not the other one. I think the two extremes is hard to generalize, but definitely male feminist. Okay. Like 100%. Okay. I would rather have someone in between,

Mitchiebut I feel like this is a quick trick question, but I'm going to go with feminist. Trick question. You said male feminist. Yeah. Okay. I also agree. I'll go with the male feminist. Okay. I'm annoying, so I feel like you

Andrew Wilsonjust don't even want to just answer Just answer the question. No, I I do. I just didn't want to get caught up for like 10 hours while we went back and forth on what the question meant. Got it. Okay. Um I feel

Andrew Wilsonlike male feminists maybe. I don't like extremes of things like that. Okay. So, we're going to do just a very quick followup. We'll do it in the same order

Andrew Wilsonin reverse. a male feminist you're only moderately attracted to or a misogynist that you're very attracted to. Starting with again gal next to Brian. Um male

Andrew Wilsonfeminist. Okay. A male feminist. Um I don't think I would be attracted to You're just physically attracted to him. You don't know like you haven't you know you

Andrew Wilsonhaven't talked to him yet, right? So you're just physically attracted. Um, still feminist. Okay. Um, feminist. I completely agree.

Selena (Bottle)Feminist. Feminist. I'm going to say misogynist cuz I love Andrew Tate. Okay. What about you? Honestly, same. Okay. Same. What?

Brian AtlasMisogynist. She picked the misogynist. Yeah. Mhm. Did you have Did you have another one or? Yeah. It's not the right place for it yet. Sure. So, sure.

Brian AtlasAll right, let's see here. Okay, so we did the bear. Um, okay. Do you have any disagreements with the show that females, this is for you, Selena, females who work in the sex industry cannot be Okay, we kind of

Brian Atlastalked about that. Uh, any disagreements with the show? You said probably, but are there any you want to articulate or No, not at this time. No, I actually I mean I haven't I haven't watched the

Brian Atlasshow before, so I just No like pre- disagreements. Okay, that's fine. Uh, okay. Okay, we're going to get into the some of the uh disagreements here though. Alex, uh question number 19 or

Brian Atlasstatement number 19, a man dating a transgender woman is not straight, to which you disagree. And then uh Haley, you also disagree. And then

Brian Atlasuh I'm sorry, your name again? Alana. Alana. Sorry, you wrote in cursive and it's been a minute. Um you also disagree. So the statement is a man also disagree. A man you would disagree. a

Brian Atlasmandating a transgender woman is not straight. To which you you you and you

Brian Atlasyou all disagree. Um so to be clear, uh the the other position would be the view would be it would be gay. That would not

Alex Amorabe straight, right? No, I think it's I kind of don't agree with my answer as well. Oh, so you think Yeah. I mean I I I kind of feel like So you think it would be straight? Yeah. But wait, now I'm confused on the

Brian Atlasdouble negative. It's a double negative. So, okay, here here's the statement. A man dating a transgender woman is not straight. To which you disagree, so you

Eve (Pre-Med)think it is straight. Yes. Okay. You think it is straight? Absolutely. Straight. You think it is straight? Yeah. And then you think it's straight, too. Yeah, I do. Okay. Um, why or how? I think it's the attraction to the

Brian Atlasfemininity. Um, and that woman is saying she's a woman and is a woman on the inside. Yeah. Let's Well, I guess before I have you guys make the justifications,

Alex Amoraum, what is a woman? Well, you talk about gender versus sex, but I'm saying in terms of how somebody

Alex Amoraidentifies whether they get surgery or not or take hormones or not, if they are presenting as a woman and decide to be a woman, I think they're a woman. So, a

Brian Atlaswoman is, if you can make it a bit more sis of a definition, succinct, sec, I don't know, whatever. Somebody who wants to be a woman. There's another way. So, a woman is

Brian Atlassomebody who wants to be a woman. Here, I'll let I'll let we'll come back to it. I'll let everybody answer. Someone with a natural vagina. Okay. Sure. I think someone who is a

Mitchiewoman is like it's in their like head, like their soul. Sorry. like that they believe them themselves are woman. I think that's what makes a woman.

Eve (Pre-Med)So a male could be a woman. Well, no, that would be a woman then. If they think they're a woman. Yes. If you think you're a woman, you're a woman. Yes. I

Eve (Pre-Med)personally am very protr rights. Um I think that if you identify as a woman, if you feel like you were born in the wrong body, you have every right to come out and say, "I actually am a woman and

Eve (Pre-Med)I feel like a woman." It's a tale as old as time. I mean we have people dating like back to cavemen who would identify differently if you look how would you know there was no means of written that

Brian Atlasis what my history teacher told me how would it wait his story would require some means of like a written I'm pretty sure they're talking about like the hieroglyphics there were trans hieroglyphics I'm assuming this is

Brian Atlassomething I learned in my human sexuality I'll address that but I'll let everybody answer before we come back to you what is what is a woman. A woman

Haley (Below Deck)is so aesthetically it's boobs, vagina. There's something about a woman, isn't there? But I have to say, I've been to Thailand and some of the lady boys look more like women than the actual women. I

Brian Atlashave to be honest. They're Wait, can you try to avoid banging on the table? Yeah. Okay. Um, sure. Go ahead. What about you? Um, I think a

Alanawoman is like feminine energy and I think even

Alanasome guys have feminine energy and like um some women have masculine energy and

Destiny (Vet)if you feel that you are a woman then you can be one. So if you feel Okay. All right. Des what about you? Um, yeah. I feel like if you feel like Wait, just a little closer to the mic. Just I feel like if you feel like you're a woman,

Brian Atlasthen you're a woman. So, if you feel like you're a woman, these are kind of circular definitions. Like if you a cat is a cat because they're a cat. You

Brian Atlasknow, there's you can't use the word in the definition, but so um can I guess a qu uh clarif clarifying questions here,

SPEAKER_01but before that there's a chat coming through. Okalers.net net donated $200. If Donald Trump identified as a woman tomorrow, would he or she be the

Brian Atlasfirst female president? Why or why not? Okay. Going around the table, uh if he identifies as a woman, would he be the first female president? I'd say yes. Yes. Okay. No. No. Okay. I want to say

Eve (Pre-Med)yes. If he's doing it in good faith, like he genuinely feels genuine. She like she genuinely feels Donald Dena Trump. Dena Trump. Dena Trump. First woman president. woman. Okay. What about

Brian Atlasyou? I'd say no. No. Okay. What about you? Uh, yeah. I'd say. Yeah. Would you guys be happy about like that being the first woman president though? No. Just

Brian Atlasbecause of the things that he said about the LGBT. Wait, why did you say about women? So, I was just Oh [ __ ] you're right. Yeah, I was just repeating your um I guess a couple But I guess she what

Brian Atlasshe's a couple clarifying questions on this. Um, can a male become female? Yes.

Brian AtlasUh, well, just to be clear, I'm talking about sex, not gender. So, can a male become a female in terms of chromosomes or like in terms of their uh biology?

Alex AmoraIn terms of their chromosomes? No. In terms of their physical sex, physical anatomy? Yes. So, just to be clear, you think a neo vagina is the same as a vagina?

Brian AtlasI've never seen one, but I would assume so. You you don't think there's like any anatomical differences? Like the tissue material is exactly the same and like

Alex Amorathe it's anatomically identical. One's an open wound and one's a muscle. I I wouldn't know the difference. I've never seen a trans woman vagina. I guess like

Brian AtlasI know wounds I I and me myself I'm not like an expert in trans surgery but like I I have sort of a just a kind of base level

Brian Atlasunderstanding of like kind of where we are at technologically and my understanding is is like you cannot recreate a vagina or a penis like it's

Brian Atlasnot a onetoone just because like I don't think a hole is a vagina. Mhm. Like maybe to you that's what a vagina is, but I think there's like other components to it.

MitchieSure. Okay. So, can a male become a female? Yes. Okay. Your answer? No, I do not. Your answer? Um, emotionally, mentally and physically, yes. Emotionally, genetically, I don't think

Mitchieso. Wait, sorry, what? Genetically, I don't think so. But genetically, mentally, emotionally, physically, yes. Can a male become a female? Um, I agree with what she just said. That was my answer as well. Yeah, I think that like

Eve (Pre-Med)obviously if you're going down to the genetics, you cannot recreate that. Um, we're not there with science. I don't know if we ever will be, but as far as like I don't know. I stand on what I

Brian Atlassaid. Okay, I would agree with that as well. Yeah. So, but you could become a woman if you had a very good surgery. Yeah, but I'm not asking about gender. I'm kind of rejecting gender for this. If you could just be a woman. No, I'm

Alanatalking about sex. Like, can you change your sex? No, I guess not. Okay. What about you? [Music]

AlanaUm, no. Not like scientifically no, but like you can believe whoever like I don't know.

Brian AtlasOkay. What about you? I agree with her. But like just can you restate like just state your position instead of just like I want to be. Yeah. What what's your

Destiny (Vet)position though? this. Um, I feel like you can't really change genetics, but you can definitely change your appearance and Okay, you can. So, women

Brian Atlasto you, women, females, it's purely like it's you you get fake titties, you wear a wig, you do your makeup, you're a woman, you're a female. Do you feel like a woman on the inside?

Eve (Pre-Med)Yeah. Like when you wake up, are you like I am 100% like what if you woke up as a woman? You would feel like a man, right? Well, I I would frame what would the frame of reference be? Yeah, I'm not

Brian AtlasI don't have the experience of like I feel there is no feeling like I feel like a man. I feel like a leprechaun.

Andrew WilsonYou are Are you Irish? Yeah. Falsify like falsify that claim. I feel like a leprechaun. Therefore, I'm a leprechaun. Can you falsify that? Can you falsify that? How I feel about being a

Andrew Wilsonleprechaun? Can you falsify that? Andrew, can you just explain falsify? Like, can you prove me wrong that I don't feel like a leprechaun? No, I believe you could never prove

Andrew Wilsonwrong how how a person claims they feel, but I have no point of reference for how a leprechaun would feel because I'm not a leprechaun, just like I would have no point of reference for how a woman feels

Eve (Pre-Med)because I'm not a woman, right? It's not it's not it's not possible. Sure. Um, I mean, I know that I feel very confident within my gender and if I were to wake up in a male body, like I guess I'll turn the question on me. I would

Brian Atlasprobably transition. I feel like I'm a very feminine person. So, a couple just a few more questions on this and I know Andrew probably wants to jump in, but just a few questions. Um, you in your answer, you said, uh, well, if they feel

Brian Atlaslike they're a woman, they think they're a woman, they're a woman. But what about and I'm going to go ahead and grant that like they can feel I'm not trying to police how people feel. There's really no way to police like how people think

Brian Atlasand how they feel. There's no way to like exert uh control or power over that in any capacity. Not possible. But like externally when it comes to the their

Brian Atlasparticipation in society in the world um what about truth? Like when it comes to I get that they can think that they're a woman but they have a penis or whatever.

Brian AtlasI get that that's how they feel and how they think. But to what degree do I have to participate in their delusion? I feel like I can't answer this cuz I'm not a transgender person. So it's kind of like how do you know what a

Eve (Pre-Med)leprechaun feels like? I think so like I can't speak for those people. Um I think you can be whoever the hell you want to be. Well I wasn't asking you to speak I wasn't asking you to speak for them. I

Brian Atlaswas just engaging with your world view. So to what degree must I or other people participate in what like their truth and

Eve (Pre-Med)what if our truth is like no like males can't be females, men can't be women. That's our truth. You can be whoever you want to be. I'm very much a person where like you can have your opinions, I can

Brian Atlashave mine, and we can sit down at a table and get along. Sure. Absolutely. But what about like the actual manifestations when it comes to uh like do you think the position that I just stated of I don't believe that males can

Eve (Pre-Med)be females. Do you think that that's transphobic? Um I think you have to go into a little bit more detail cuz are we talking about like their gender or their sex? You

Brian Atlasdon't believe that people who are So I mean I kind of I reject gender but yeah both. I don't think men can become women. For the sake of the conversation though, I'll actually grant it because it tends to make things a little easier.

Brian AtlasBut no, I don't think you you certainly can't change your sex. But like within your paradigm of like gend gender as a like a social construct, can you change

Brian Atlasyour gender? Uh I think gender is like is linked to sex. And since you can't change your sex, then by proxy you can't change your gender. So, I

Brian Atlasguess do you think that that's transphobic? Um, to a certain degree. Yeah. Okay. So, cool. So, I guess here's where we're getting somewhere when it comes to to what degree to what degree

Brian Atlasdo I need to participate in what I view as a potential delusion. So, you've labeled you've labeled this as essentially like this could be a hate crime. Uh, to like Okay, but like what if I refuse to say all that? What if I

Eve (Pre-Med)refuse to use somebody's pronouns? like should I be like get in trouble and like I mean I think it's insensitive. Again, I think that um but Okay, go ahead. Sorry. Sorry. I'm Go ahead. Um I have a

Eve (Pre-Med)lot of transgender friends and I've repeatedly been told if someone slips up and they use the wrong pronouns, but it was like it was in good faith they are not trying to be rude. I don't believe

Eve (Pre-Med)that that's transphobic. I believe if you are going after someone specifically because of how they identify, that absolutely is transphobic. It's racist to go after

Brian Atlassomeone. It would just be like this is why why can't we have a conversation about truth? Like what is the actual truth of the matter? You know, like it's their perspective. Well, hold on. There

Andrew Wilsonis the truth. I don't believe in your truth. My truth. Well, it's just the par you're just talking about the paradox of tolerance now anyway, right? So, when you say it's my truth and your truth, it's like, okay, well, my truth is not

Andrew Wilsonbe tolerant and your truth is that I should be tolerant. So then you say well the only thing that should be tolerated is intoler or intolerance right go ahead sorry well should there be social

Brian Atlasrepercussions if like somebody who doesn't believe that a male can become a female and is like well I when it comes to pronouns I attribute that to sex not gender because I don't buy into the

Brian Atlasgender framework so this person to me is a male airgo he's a he him sure I think that that's really unfortunate do I think what do you mean when you say It's unfortunate. What do you mean that they

Brian Atlasbelieve that? I think it's unfortunate that they're not willing to accept people for who they want to be. Yeah. But what's what's to prevent somebody from saying like, "Oh, I think it's unfortunate that you won't actually like you don't believe in truth." I think it's fair enough objective truth. I

Eve (Pre-Med)think it's fair enough to think something and have a have an opinion, but I think sometimes that's not what we're debating though. So, are you saying that there should be like Sorry, is that okay? Are you saying there should be like physical repercussions? Like like what are you what are you saying? Can you rephrase your question?

Brian AtlasWell, so I mean I was asking you said it was transphobic, you object to transphobia. Uh then should there be like social repercussions like for example in a school setting, let's say like a student is like I don't believe

Brian Atlasin this. Um I'm not going to refer to this. I'm not going to use the pronouns. Should like the the student like get detention? Should there be like uh if they continue to refuse, should they be like kicked out of school? What do you

Eve (Pre-Med)think that the trans suicide rates in the public um sorry in the fine school system um is mostly due to peer pressure

Eve (Pre-Med)and not being accepted especially in like the Midwest. Yeah, but we can talk about really good argument for why you shouldn't be trans then. Um no, because that person is expressing their truth.

Andrew WilsonThey should be able to be whatever they want. I guess you really probably shouldn't express your truth. If your truth is so horrible for you that you want to unal alive yourself, right? It doesn't sound like No, it's not that they're they're unaliving themselves because they're trans. It's because they feel like they can't be accepted. Yeah.

Andrew WilsonBut can I ask but but here's the problem, right? It's like, yeah, they're not being accepted. So, that seems like a really good showcase for why they shouldn't present themselves as trans. That seems

Andrew Wilsonlike a really good showcase for that. So, here's the thing. If if it is the case that you think that they would still unal alive themselves at the same rate because they're not being accepted, then how come they weren't doing it before they could come out as trans in

Andrew Wilsonthe 20s and 30s? How come? Sorry. Re because when they kept that [ __ ] in the closet because when they kept that [ __ ] in the closet somehow they didn't alive themselves. So it

Andrew Wilsonseems like them presenting themselves as trans, thus getting ridiculed from their peers because we don't believe this [ __ ] that they're saying leads to their unalien. Can I get Can I get an answer? I'll get you in in just a sec. Can I get

Brian Atlasan answer to my question though? Should there be like repercussions in the school? Yeah. Yeah. So if like a 16-year-old's like, I don't believe in this. I these are like my my personal

Brian Atlasvalues. Um I'm not going to insult this trans person. I'm not going to like bully them, but I just refuse to refer to them by their preferred pronouns. If it's like if it's a male and they're

Eve (Pre-Med)transwoman, I'm not going to call them uh she her. Feel like it's hard for me to speak to. I've never been in that situation. Um I do know that like I

Eve (Pre-Med)I don't know. Tough one. That is it's a really you did kind of everyone should have their own opinions, you know, and I believe that you are totally allowed to have your own opinions. I think your

Eve (Pre-Med)opinion is harmless if it's not hurting someone else. Um meaning like if that person isn't going after that trans person, if that person is purposely avoiding them to not hurt their feelings or like something like that, I think

Andrew Wilsonthat that might be What if I What if I purposely like walk around and just laugh at them? I'm like, "Yeah, that's [ __ ] up. You're not a You're not a chick, dude. What if I do that? Should something happen to me then?" You're a piece of [ __ ] I don't

Andrew Wilsonthink something should happen to you, but I I think that that would make you a piece of [ __ ] personally. Yeah, I'm trying. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I get that that you think it' make me a piece of [ __ ] but should something bad happen to me? Yeah, there should be repercussions

Andrew Wilsonbecause Yeah, there should What should the re What should the repercussion be for me laughing at you for pretending to be like something you're not? What should the repercussions? I think that that's up to the school system, the

Eve (Pre-Med)severity of the situation. Um, do do you think I think that this is really like very very generalized and it's hard to speak on generalized. Do you think there should be like Andrew's not in school right now? Do you think there should be

Eve (Pre-Med)criminal penalties? Criminal penalties. Yeah. Like maybe it's you get a fine like $300 fine if you don't $200 fine if you don't. I feel like I can't speak to this because I'm not in that person's shoes. I don't care. Yeah, but but don't worry about

Brian Atlasthat. Let's say you were like the dictator of the United States and you could implement a rule uh a fine that says, "Okay, on the first offense you have to pay a $200 fine." I would survey

Eve (Pre-Med)trans people to see how they feel. Yeah. And let's say all trans people were in favor of the fine. Would you do it? I would then I mean that's just not how

Brian Atlasthat really works. I just so many people like Well, okay. So let's vast majority of them. the hypothetical scenario, let's say like eight 90% of trans people were like, "Yeah, we should definitely

Brian Atlasfind people that uh refuse to use our preferred pronouns." Would you then pass a law that finded people for doing so? Again, I believe that people are all entitled to their own opinions. That is

Eve (Pre-Med)something I believe. I also believe you should never be towards anyone. Yes. Yes or no? I feel like I can't speak to this. You're the dictator. You have total total power to

Brian Atlasenact your worldview as it pertains to the law related in this current moment. I do not have an answer for you. My apologies. I mean, it kind of sounds like yes, you would. No, I don't know. Don't put words in my mouth. Well, you

Brian Atlasknow what? The fact that you won't the fact that you won't say no. Like, yeah, that's ridiculous. Like, I'm not going to like control people's speech in that way. And like the extension like that's the thing that's stopping me is like I believe everyone is entitled to their

Brian Atlasown opinion. So that is what except if they except if there's harm and you're saying which you which you said yes unless you're hurting in your yes in your worldview refusing to use

Brian Atlassomebody's preferred pronouns is that causing harm again like I said um trans people have told me in the past it just varies. It really varies on the grant I'm going to go ahead and grant for the sake of this that it does cause harm.

Brian AtlasShould then should there then be penalties? What kind of harm? Uh you said that you related to this uh emotional it just it hurts their feelings. Well, she I mean let's use her example though. You referenced the

Brian Atlasunaliving rate is really high in the the trans community. So yeah, that's the harm. They're unaliving themselves because people are refusing to acknowledge them as women. Um I don't

Brian Atlasknow if you can monetize something like that. Like you said like a $300 fine. Like I don't know if I could say like wait but hold on. So, like uh if you

Brian Atlaslike commit various crimes, it's not monetization. It's like, okay, if you illegally park, there's typically going to be a fine. You there could eventually be your car could get towed. Uh more

Brian Atlasserious crimes, there's fines. There's imprisonment. I mean, perhaps like if you've misgendered somebody like three, four times, would you consider like imprisoning people if if they continue?

Brian AtlasThey're just like, "Fuck your fines. I'm going to continue." Very I don't know. That's that's a bit far. We're talking what if they misgender a hundred times, they refuse to follow the law and you

Brian Atlasfind them, you've tried to find them a bunch. Should they eventually, not the first time, not the second, but eventually far enough down the road, if they refuse to like, uh, yes, this is a woman. Should they eventually go to

Eve (Pre-Med)prison? Again, I feel like I can't speak to this. I think you dictator. Okay. Can you make someone else a dictator? Can I Can I answer? Well, I'm exploring your worldview because you have a strong position. I just like to ask you a really, really easy question that you

Andrew Wilsoncan't speak to that I think is a reasonable question to speak to. Sure. So, let's say you have a trans friend, right? This is a uh MTOF, male to female, right? Sure. And doesn't have a

Andrew Wilsonbottom surgery. You still consider this person to be a woman, right? Yeah. Right. What's that? Yes. Okay. So, if um

Andrew Wilsontheir significant other in this case is also a male, right, and not trans, and says, "I'm going to go home and suck my girlfriend's dick." Do you consider him

Eve (Pre-Med)to be straight? Yeah, sure. However they want to identify. Again, I am okay with complying with people's opinions, and people are allowed to have their I just want to get this right. I just want to get this right.

Andrew WilsonYour friend says, "I'm going to go home and suck my girlfriend's dick." And and you think that that person is straight, right? And and why is this a problem? I

Andrew Wilsonjust want to make sure it's correct that that person is straight. Um because as we all know, everyone always associates men sucking other men's

Eve (Pre-Med)penises with, you know, being a heterosexual, as we all know. Sure. Um, yeah. I feel like I can't decide that for that person. Are they identifying as straight? And are you asking me to argue against Yeah, they're identifying as

Brian Atlasstraight. Hell yeah, man. Be who you want to be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's wrong? I mean, that's what straight men are known for. Did you have

Alanayou had a question that you wanted to ask or um it was it was about um when you were talking

Alanaabout people in the closet they don't um selfdelete themselves so like why

Brian Atlasdon't they stay in the closet? Was that gone? I don't I don't recall it was in the past. I actually Yeah, I was posing that not I forgot.

Brian AtlasOh, I just restated. Well, no, no. Uh, so what was your thing though just now? You said, "Why does that matter?" Well, I mean, why the mic like matter?

Brian AtlasBecause Andrew was asking about like, "Okay, so a guy says I'm going to go and s my girlfriend's penis." And you're like, "Well, why does that matter?" But so I guess why who are you guys to

Brian Atlasdictate to people who are heterosexual? what is and what is not heterosexual in the way that you would probably just at least in your worldview justifiably find it offensive like no you actually aren't

Brian Atlasable to be homosexual like if we denied that like what homosexuality was you would like object to it so oh hold on we're objecting to you dictating to us

Brian Atlaswhat heterosexuality is and like you're trying to basically put on me and if we bring this to its f like furthest enough conclu inclusion is like, okay, if I

Brian Atlasrefuse to date a trans woman because she's trans, this is transphobic. And then some people want to enforce punishments, whether that's through the government or whether that's like

Brian Atlasthrough social shaming. If I don't want to uh date a trans woman, if I don't want to date a woman who has a penis, I'm I should be now subject to attack in

Alex Amorasome capacity. Do you see how this is potentially dangerous? I missed that whole conversation. I don't think you having I'm sorry, I went to the bathroom. But I don't think you having your stance personally on your

Brian Atlaspreference in terms of like you wouldn't date a trans woman, I don't think that's transphobic. Yeah. But there are people I understand that that's not your position, but I'm be fairly con I mean, do you think if I don't want to date a

Brian Atlastrans woman because she's trans, do you think that that's transphobic? No. I mean, do you think that that's transphobic? Yeah. Um, honestly, no. Like I said,

Brian Atlaseveryone's allowed their own preference, aren't they? Pay sexual into the mics, guys. But, but there are people who do advocate for this. And ultimately, it's just interesting though, you're trying

Brian Atlasto dictate to us like what is straight, what isn't, and in in aside from just like, okay, you guys doing a critique of heterosexuality, it's like, how about

Brian Atlasjust a truth conversation? What is the truth? Okay. Well, here I I'm going to let a couple chats come through. I know Andrew has some questions, but

SPEAKER_01Chris donated $200. If you feel like you are a good singer and you go to an American Idol audition and the professional judges says that you suck, then who is right? Your feelings or the professional

Eve (Pre-Med)judges. Good question. I think it's an opinion, but still. Do you want to weigh in on this? I saw you scampering back. too. I think that those people probably have a

Eve (Pre-Med)more professional view of music and so they're professionally trained. I'm like I partake in music and I think that if you're trained absolutely you can say

Eve (Pre-Med)like that person is specifically offkey or profession you know like I've been trained musically. I've been partnered with people who have not been. It's a skill. It's like riding a bike. So I

Brian AtlasYeah. So you're are you saying basically like when it comes to music essentially uh there are like actual things that you can point to and like there there's like a mathematical basis when it comes to music. Like before we turn this I am

Brian Atlassolely talking about music. Like if we're trying to turn this to any other subject I'm just talking about music. Yeah. Okay. That's fine. But like I think when it comes to the the discussion that we were having, it's

Brian Atlasactually on an even more basic level. Oh Lord, I got a piece or Okay, that's fine. I'll continue speaking. It's on a more basic level than music. It's your

Andrew Wilsonbiological sex. This is something that you cannot change. I Okay. I mean, so pretty. Well, this I mean this actually pretty pretty important fundamental questions when

Brian Atlasbecause we're talking about dating. Wait, just one minute one quick sec. I'll I'll have you come in right after this. I just got to let just got to let these two come through. Scott Bobble donated

SPEAKER_01$200. Can we go around the table again to get a definition of what a woman is? This was avoided by these people originally. Give an answer. Don't dance

Brian Atlasaround it. Well, I do think that they they did give answers. Um I know you maybe weren't satisfied with said answers, but uh yeah. Um but Scott,

SPEAKER_01thank you for the TTS. And then we have one more coming in from uh Dean with us donated $199. Chair number four. You are pursuing

Brian AtlasAnabin Raiden have a consistent view. You are failing your pull back. She's not at the table. My bad. I'll pull it back up though. Uh, Andrew. Well, they

Brian Atlasthey're I think they're in the bathroom debating whether they rage quit the show because this is a very Well, it's a these are like I I

Andrew Wilsonunderstand that these are controversial topics, right? But the thing is is you got to think about dating in the modern marketplace, but can't decide on what

Andrew Wilsonwomen are, right? Can't decide on what women are. the battle of the sexes when it comes to uh how you adjust for a partner or something like this. It seems like it's a pretty pertinent question in

Andrew Wilsonmodernity, you know, to be like, well, I have dating preferences and things like this, you know, but if you just if you just kind of signal that men can be women, right? I think that it would make

Andrew Wilsona lot of men very uncomfortable that women hold that view. I think it I think it would necessarily. So, I think that these are pretty pertinent to the dating questions. And for some reason, people

Andrew Wilsonget really offended by this, even though you guys had the most degenerate talk possible just 2 hours ago. It's the most degenerate [ __ ] talking about orgasms and this and that, but suddenly it's

Andrew Wilsonbrought up whether or not, oh, can you go suck your girlfriend's dick? Is that is that straight? And suddenly it's like, oh, how could he say such a thing? It's like what? Where's the consistency here?

Andrew WilsonYou talk about every degenerate thing on planet Earth, but we get to the meat, the brass tax of what even it is we're talking about, suddenly people get offended. I think it's silly, but why

Andrew Wilsonnot have the combo? Yeah. But I have uh I have a ton of uh of great questions here. If you guys want to move the topics, I'm fine with it. Well, I want to I want to stick on it for a little bit, but I'm pretty much

Brian Atlasalmost done. But the two kind of dissenters, the primary dissenters are uh are gone. Although Alex, you were a denter on this. And then also I was a

Brian Atlasdenture. Well, you think that uh a man dating a transgender you you think uh it's straight for a man to date a transgender woman? Yeah.

Brian AtlasYeah. So, I guess I'll engage with you while those other two are gone. Um, so if you see two males uh nude engaging in intercourse and you don't know their

Alex Amoragender identity, would you categorize the sex act as homosexual? Two males. Well, who am I to tell them who's a male and who's a female? They both have penis. Who are you to tell

Andrew Wilsonpeople who murderers are? Who are you to say what a murderer is? Who are you? In fact, who the [ __ ] are you to say anything? I guess you just don't you don't hold positions on anything. Yes. Like, who are you to tell me what

Alex Amorayour need is? No, I'm just not really like a judgmental person. Into the into the microphone. Sorry. I would say I'm just not a judgmental person. I'm very open. Judgement. It's not judgment. Did you just make a judgment about how not

Brian Atlasjudgmental you were? It's pretty judgy of you. Okay. So, checkmate. Like, I'm confused. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, so I'll ask the question again. You see two males

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