She Called Him FAT?! If Men SHOULD Take A Bullet For Her, What SHOULD Women Do?! | Dating Talk #241
Date: 2025-05-05
Duration: 6h 36m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_03Lily Kate(guest)
SPEAKER_04Callie(guest)
SPEAKER_05Nadia(guest)
SPEAKER_06Tyena(guest)
SPEAKER_07Christina Jones(guest)
SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_10Jim Bob(guest)
SPEAKER_11Savannah Craven-Ental(guest)
SPEAKER_12Reagan Gagos(guest)
SPEAKER_13Roxy (Beijing)(guest)
SPEAKER_14Lily (UCSB)(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:24
IntroAll 10 guests introduced including 2 Chinese exchange students and pro-life activist
00:21:12
Key MomentSavannah: punched in face during pro-life outreach, needed stitches
01:48:00
ControversyBrian: would NOT take a bullet for wife. Would use her as meat shield. Children > parents > wife.
03:18:10
Key MomentLily Kate: fake-dated Jojo Siwa's brother for social media content. Lost hundreds of thousands of followers going conservative.
03:27:37
Key MomentCallie: pregnant at 15, walked into abortion clinic, chose open adoption after someone told her about it
05:34:48
Key MomentChristina vs Brian: tension over perceived fat-shaming and weight comments throughout the night
Topics Discussed
00:03:24
Guest Introductions
10 guests including 2 Chinese exchange students, pro-life activist Savannah, and Jim Bob.
00:21:12
Savannah Punched During Outreach
Punched in face by pro-abortion woman during Live Action event. Needed stitches.
00:23:24
Marriage and Biblical Submission
Christian vs secular marriage frameworks. Jim Bob's triangle model.
00:39:00
Feminism Critique
Lily Kate writing '100 Ways Feminism Is a Failure.' Suffragettes as destructive.
01:48:00
Should Men Take a Bullet
Brian: would NOT die for wife. Would use her as meat shield. Rank: children > parents > wife.
02:24:00
Race/Racism/White Privilege
Christina: white people can't experience racism. Savannah pushes back citing Irish/Slavic enslavement.
03:04:51
AI Aging/Gender Swap
AI photos of all guests.
05:16:30
Body Count Round
Nadia: 8 (4M/4W). Reagan: 5. Lily UCSB: 0 (virgin).
Transcript
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01:51:25
Brian AtlasBro, I don't imagine that you follow Christ. I can't get I can't Hold on. I can't get another uh mom or dad. Uhhuh. True. You would say that you your wife
01:51:38
Savannah Craven-Entalis irreplaceable because you picked such a great one. Like that's Oh, yeah. It would suck for a couple weeks. agree that like dating, finding good women
01:51:46
Brian Atlasis I think here's my thing is maybe I shouldn't troll on this. I
01:51:54
Calliethink you know the funeral reception I should be I should be back on Tinder. Yeah. I'm surprised you think like that. You said your you you had you grew up
01:52:06
Calliewith a married mother and father and you said your father would Yeah, sure. I'm just You said your father would take a bullet for your your mom, right? Probably. But why would he do that? I
01:52:17
Brian Atlasthink the question is that's just like the romantic romantic. Just romance. Yeah, he'd probably do it. Um why? Just because my dad would do it doesn't mean I have to do it though. What trauma have
01:52:28
Reagan Gagosyou not worked through, Brian? That's the Do you feel like your dad set the example for the husband? Why would why would there be like a trauma like a trauma indication if I'm not willing to die for a woman? What
01:52:40
Reagan Gagoswoman really hurt you? Yeah. Why would that I don't How does that compute? Do you think the fact that they chose Let me Go ahead. Uh because right now it sounds like you don't care about that nuclear
01:52:54
Reagan Gagosfamily and that you're okay with destroying it and that you can handle it all on your own being that single father. Well, hold on. The scenario is either I die or the woman dies. Wow.
01:53:04
Brian AtlasOkay. Why is that a wow? That's literally the hypothetical. So, uh, why would it I mean, it would tear apart. So, you're just saying that women are just You got to stop interrupting. Uh,
01:53:17
Brian Atlasit would tear apart the family either way if one of us died. So, what So, you're just saying we're replaceable. Correct. Well, that's what you're saying
01:53:27
Jim Bobabout men. And yes, you are. Thank you. Well, he's kind I mean, in the instance, but someone dies, both are both ultimately
01:53:39
Lily Kateget replaced in either scenario, right? Eventually with time, right? So, would that be something that you'd be proud to tell your kids? Yeah, I pushed mom in front of me just so that I could live longer. Is that something you'd be proud
01:53:51
Brian Atlasof doing? Oh, yeah. I would tell my kids. Ouch. I'd be like, why is it what like make an actual argument why the man should die?
01:54:02
CallieThey hate this one. Well, you said earlier you you mentioned that's that's kind of feminine. Like, didn't you say that when he like I see that more like a feminine behavior that is, you know? Wait, hold on. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you guys a
01:54:15
Calliequestion. You're saying it's a feminine behavior. I I see it a little bit more so like that. Yeah. So because I would think a man would want to do something like that especially to his if he's a
01:54:26
Brian AtlasChristian man and he's married I would say programmed I mean why and brainwashed and society has deemed men as the disposable sex. Okay, we send you
01:54:38
Brian Atlasto war, you die, we don't really care if there's like a terrorist attack. They're like this many women and children died but they kind of don't care that there was more men that died. So there's all
01:54:48
Brian Atlasthese kinds of uh societal uh narratives as to the disposability of the male sex. So I've yet to actually hear a compelling argument for why men should
01:54:59
Brian Atlasdie over women. Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question? Yeah, go ahead. Are you Are you Christian? No. Although I I have a positive sentiments towards Christianity. Yeah. So that's
01:55:12
Christina Jonesthe answer. Yeah, that's why that's the whole answer. Hold on. You could be secular and still be like a s. No, but what you said earlier when you were talking about marriage, you were saying
01:55:23
Christina Jonesthat that the men suffer through the divorce and the men pay. Yeah. That would also happen to a Christian guy. But No, I know. But I'm I'm leading into
01:55:34
Christina Jonessomething else because So So you have more of a I'm more masculine. You're more feminine. It's not going to work between us, but go ahead. No, it never
01:55:43
Christina Joneswould. Um, I would have to take the bullet.
01:55:51
Brian AtlasBut there's nothing wrong with that. That's That's your view. Why is it Why is it uh feminine to not want to die? Why is that feminine? No, no, no. That's literally what you said. Why is that
01:56:02
Christina Jonesfeminine? No. So, the reason I asked if you were a Christian, cuz a lot of what you were saying, like the Bible, I've never really studied the Bible. I believe in God. I'm I'm more Yeah. What?
01:56:12
Christina JonesGo ahead. You know, so in the Bible, it talks about the man protecting and providing. It talks about whatever you give a woman, she will multiply. Like these are all things in the Bible. So if
01:56:24
Christina Jonesyou're Christian, you're going to and a man, you're going to take that bullet. You are going to protect and provide. You're going to make different choices. Then is there actual scripture on well
01:56:36
Jim Bobthere is but uh without getting into like scripture the there is like a certain paradigm of men leading with sacrifice. The question is what kinds of
01:56:47
Jim Bobsacrifice that are you willing to commit for uh you know from that position like like from a from that position do does a man have the obligation within the
01:56:58
Jim BobChristian paradigm to be the first to uh you know basically volunteer himself to sacrifice and I think going to war is kind of like that. So, I guess a better question for you, Andrew, or sorry, um,
01:57:10
Jim BobBrian, and anyone else listening who's kind of like going, "Yeah, Brian might have a point." Is um what is there any could you be compelled to fight um to
01:57:22
Jim Boblike fight pick up arms and actually fight with the risk of death? Like, could it would it be an invasion? Would it be um a town at the town level? Uh just Yeah. picking up and being in a
01:57:34
Jim Bobwar. Like that would be the question is like is there is there a scenario where you would actually risk death to go to to go to war if it's local or foreign?
01:57:44
Jim BobWhat? So like but with with draft I would be forced right? Yeah. Without the draft that you would actually feel compelled Yeah. You would be compelled to risk death for a reason bigger than
01:57:56
Jim Bobyour own uh you know current state of affairs. Uh, I mean, most warfare is uh kind of [ __ ] So, I mean, I don't know. I
01:58:09
Brian Atlasagree that most war I don't think it would be like, for example, like a a draft dodger during the Vietnam War. Like, I don't have any like Okay, why were we in Vietnam? That was No, I understand it. But I guess it
01:58:21
Jim Bobit comes down to is there ever a justified uh war, I guess, in some sense that you could imagine. And if there was a justified war, is there anything situation that could alien invasion
01:58:34
Brian Atlasalien invasion? They're gonna [ __ ] kill us all. Okay, kill us all. I will I'll step up. Okay, I'll step up. But if the US government in furthering or the
01:58:44
Jim BobUS government and all these uh these uh what like Rathon and right? Oh, they they just want to make money by having young I agree without all that. No, I understand. So the question is if you
01:58:57
Jim Bobwere with someone and let's say you were in love with the the woman, let's say you had kids and and uh and a wife and the aliens came and they had to choose the government came and they were like who's who's going to be fighting? You
01:59:09
Brian Atlaswouldn't you would send your wife or would you step up? Uh so oh I have a choice whether it's me or her sister. Still she's still going to
01:59:21
Jim Bobstill sending her. Right. All right. So you only step in Okay. So you only step in if Yeah. But but that's weird. In the instance where you don't have a wife, why are you still going? You have a choice not to go. Oh, I have a choice to not. Yeah, cuz that's the that's the
01:59:34
Jim Bobhypothetical. Is there any scenario where uh you would actually voluntarily step in and risk your life to fight? You said aliens, but now I just added that you have a wife. But I I thought the
01:59:44
Jim Bobscenario was if I don't fight, the world is lost. Oh, it's just on you. So, it has to be it has to be on you only. Yeah, pretty much. Uh, you can
01:59:56
Brian Atlasmake a graphic novel versus whatever graphic novel. I want to bring it back over here, though. Uh, I've still yet to hear a compelling reason for uh why. Well, I will say in the Bible, if you're a Christian, Paul says, make a secular
02:00:08
Reagan Gagosargument. Okay. Well, I would say because men are not as emotional as women. Women are very emotional and we can become unstable. Good. Let's send
02:00:19
Reagan Gagosthose emotional women to the to the front line. So, I just feel like also too, psychology-wise, men are more the risktakers, women are not. So, I just
02:00:30
Brian Atlasfeel like they we don't want risktakers in the military. Okay, we should throw the women have the women. God, uh yeah, but look, okay, here I'll I'll give this
02:00:40
Lily Kateexample. I'll give two examples actually. First off, in chess, you lose if you sacrifice the king to save the queen. You can't do that actually. Technically,
02:00:51
Lily Katelike you can't put the king into Sorry. What do you mean? You can't you can't put the king into check. You can't move him there. You You actually can't do that technically. What do you mean technically? So, like like a chess
02:01:02
Lily Katepiece, you cannot move the king into a place where he'll be in check. You're not allowed to do that. But sorry. Wait, but someone could like mistakenly No, but But yeah, you like with actual rules, you're not allowed to move there.
02:01:15
Lily KateYou're only in the threat position. You can't be in the active. So someone someone can move into, you know, put you into check and then you have to move out of it. You can't stay in it once you're in check. And you
02:01:27
Jim Bobalso cannot actively move the king into check. Yeah. But no, but your analogy kind of still works in your favor because the queen will sacrifice herself before the king in in the game though. So yeah, the the queen will sacrifice
02:01:39
Lily Kateherself, but also the queen in this context is like way more powerful than the king. Like the king can only move one space at a time. The queen can move. That's true. It's not reflective of
02:01:51
Savannah Craven-Entalreality. Chess is a lie. It's just an chess is a feminist propaganda machine. Let's run with that. I have a question. Were you Would you be mad if you were on the Titanic and they were like women and
02:02:03
Tyenachildren first? Oh, he would jump in there. the guy that got in the most. He'd be like, "Give me that wig." Was just a guy that like fell off. The one guy that pretended it was his kid, he
02:02:13
Brian Atlasprobably would totally be him. Oh, yeah. Put on his brain's consistent. I'm getting on the lifeboat. He's consistent. Well, okay. So, here, look, but but you guys want to say, "Oh, it's it's a weak man who wouldn't sacrifice
02:02:26
Brian Atlashis life for a woman. He's very feminine. He's kind of a coward." But like if you look at certain historical figures throughout time, Genghask Khan,
02:02:37
Brian Atlasthis guy had like dozens hund maybe hundreds of wives and concubines. Genghask Khan, if if he was presented with a
02:02:48
Brian Atlasscenario where he had to die for one of his wives. You think he's dying? Genghask Khan is going to be like, "You know what? I have 30 wives,
02:02:59
Savannah Craven-Entalbut I'm going to sacrifice one of them or I'm going to sacrifice myself for one of them. I mean, if you have 30 wives, like that's totally different, right? But
02:03:11
Brian Atlaswhat I'm saying is this idea that oh my god, you wouldn't sacrifice you wouldn't sacrifice your life for a woman. That's like beta. I'm like Genghask Khan. This
02:03:22
Brian Atlasguy's the alphaest dude of to ever have alphaed, you know? I don't think that I bro this guy I'm sorry if you look at the genetic lineage
02:03:32
Lily Kateof uh bro that guy he [ __ ] so you define masculinity by how many genes you produce and how many children he could be it could be a component of it but I
02:03:44
Savannah Craven-Entalmean like decided so what are you waiting for to get going well girls won't we sacrifice exactly they would want to be shield
02:03:53
Brian Atlaslook it's just it's it Look, I I've yet to actually hear a compelling reason why men should sacrifice their life, why they should take the bullet. Have you
02:04:04
Lily Katehad answer the question on a first date? Have you told a woman that and how did how did she react? Have you told I would sacrifice you? That's his opening line. Well, I'm wondering cuz if masculinity
02:04:17
Brian Atlasis defined by how many kids you have, you got to at least get past the first date hopefully. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think uh it's kind of interesting though. So,
02:04:27
Lily Katebasically your uh your metric for which you would date a man is he must die for me. No, I'm asking you is your metric that you date a woman her being okay with her dying for you?
02:04:40
Savannah Craven-EntalOh, she doesn't have to die for me, but I'm definitely not dying for her. Okay, at least it's fair. I don't think men should be willing to die for any woman. I think it should just be his one
02:04:52
Savannah Craven-Entalwoman. Like if a if a woman's walking down the street like he doesn't even know her like and she walks into traffic, I'm not going to expect to run out into traffic. Even your wife I mean if I fall into traffic or something like
02:05:05
Brian Atlasyeah I expect my husband to like at least try to get me out of that situation. Look, just to be clear, I would absolutely protect my wife. But you might get hit by a car. Up to a
02:05:17
Savannah Craven-Entalpoint. Up to a point though, I'm not going to die. So like if a burglar like comes into your house to your bedroom, he's going to die. Like I'm going to kill him. What if he finds your wife first? What if you're in the bedroom and
02:05:30
Savannah Craven-Entalshe's in the kitchen? He goes to the kitchen first. Like are you willing to run into the kitchen and like I'm going to take out my gun and he's going to get some lead. Great. Okay. If you're But are you going to stand in front of her
02:05:41
Tyenaand use your lead or are you going to stand behind her? No. What if you're outnumbered? Like, which one are you going to do? What if you're outnumbered? What if there are multiple? I'm going to get
02:05:51
Savannah Craven-Entalhim. I'm going to get him in my sights and I'm like, get get the [ __ ] out the way, lady. I'm going to He's going to get shot. Lady, when your wife is standing in
02:06:03
Savannah Craven-Entalfront of you and has no weapon of her own cuz she's just like making dinner about getting ready to bow to you. She's getting ready to bow and she doesn't have to bow. She doesn't have her gun on her.
02:06:15
Lily KateWhat the [ __ ] Didn't mean to do that. She's preparing her best bow. Making dinner and preparing her best bow. Is that what you said? I actually think if you're confronted with the
02:06:26
Lily Katemoment like that, not the kitchen scenario, but in a scenario where you were going to take I I really think deep down something in your biology would probably step in the way and and push her out of the way. I feel like I know.
02:06:39
Lily KateI really think so. Luckily, I have overcame. I've transcended your instinct. I've transcended. Hold on. But in handgun practice, there's like this rule that you're only going to be 50% if
02:06:50
Lily Kateyou're actually really good as good at with accuracy with the gun in a moment of stress. And so I think your biology would actually kick in and you'd push her out of the way. And if you took a bullet in the meantime, you'd be like,
02:07:02
Lily Kate"Well, that stinks." But I I think it's a biological thing. I think you you want to say that you would mentally override your initial reaction, but I don't think
02:07:11
Jim Bobmen are wired that way. You also don't fully know when you're in uh full you don't have full knowledge of if you're going to die or get hurt. A lot of times you're just kind of guessing and
02:07:22
Jim Bobreacting to that. But he does make a good point because ultimately from a secular position, uh there isn't a good answer to this question. No. Yeah, there's not. So there's only a pragmatic utility and Brian's holding the
02:07:34
Jim Bobpragmatic utility position and you can't really defeat it unless you insert uh a theological view. I would argue particularly a Christian view which he doesn't hold. So in the in this instance
02:07:45
Jim Bobhe's not married anyway because he has no reason to do that either. So I mean why would you why would you die to defend uh a woman the status of which
02:07:54
Jim Bobyou'll never have as a wife because you don't the value that part first. So, it's like it's all downstream from like, "Oh, it's just a human. Um, I can get another human and you know that it's
02:08:07
Brian Atlaslike a Pez dispenser." Related to this. Related to this, just curious. Uh, who here is a virgin? Anybody a virgin? Never had sex. I don't
02:08:18
Brian Atlasknow if they have a different word. Never had virgin. Never. No sex. Yeah. No born agains either. No sex. You've had sex? No sex. Okay, we got two
02:08:30
Brian Atlasvirgins. Uh, if men should be willing to sacrifice their life for their girlfriend or wife, whatever, should
02:08:40
Brian Atlaswomen be virgins? Wait, what? Wait, just to be clear. Just to be clear. So, here's your argument. Uh, not a virgin. Not a virgin. You're married. I
02:08:52
Brian Atlasdon't know if you were a virgin. I wasn't, but I got married. I have kids. You're married? Were you uh a virgin? Okay. Mine was a joke. So, just to be
02:09:02
Brian Atlasclear, just to be clear, trai- traditional gender roles, men should be willing to die,
02:09:10
Brian Atlasbut women not virgins. So, explain to me why, and I think in comparison, even if the woman is a virgin,
02:09:20
Brian Atlasuh that's wonderful. That's great. But I don't think that's anywhere comparable to the the sacrifice of giving your life. Why? Why is that a fair
02:09:36
Brian Atlastrade-off? Like you guys can't even bring virginity. I mean, they they can, but there's two women. But you want men to die for you, but you're not
02:09:45
Nadiavirgins. Explain it. So, you only have value if you're a virgin. I just want to make sure I'm clear on that. Catch it, [ __ ]
02:09:59
Jim BobWell, yeah. Well, another way of asking what he's asking is what's equivalent to that then? Cuz he's just putting it out there like what if men valued uh virginity, virtue, uh from their women. They wanted a society that women
02:10:12
Jim Bobactually, you know, not only valued that, but tried to actually actualize it. the same way they're expecting men to actualize sacrifice to the to death, war, etc. So, if it's not virginity, I
02:10:24
Jim Bobthink virginity is actually a pretty good uh uh one to present. But if it's not that, what else would it what what's something comparable then? I think it also changes if you have kids. So, I mean, but what's comparable
02:10:37
Jim Bobthough to that? Because let's say let's say a bunch of women said, "Yes, we expect men to potentially die, be on this side of the road, maybe they get hit by the car first, they open the car door for us, they go to war, they keep
02:10:48
Jim Bobsociety thriving, they do all the grunt work." If you asked all the men and then let's say it was like 95% men said, "What do you want in return?" And we say, "We want you to value your virgin
02:11:00
Tyenavirginity." What would be if it wasn't virginity, what else would it be? Like, you know what I mean? healing Brian from his sickness right now. Healing. Yeah, I think I mean I understand the point you're trying to
02:11:13
Tyenamake and like for someone like me for instance who has children obviously I can't get it back and I love my children I wouldn't trade them for the world but I also now in hindsight if I could have
02:11:24
Brian Atlaswaited to marriage I would have totally but what would your argument be to like let's say I put a should claim on women and I say women should be virgins what would your rebuttal be to that then the
02:11:36
Brian Atlaswomen who aren't virgins have no business dating you or trying to No, I'm just Well, you would make a should claim as to all men should be willing to uh sacrifice their life for their wife. Can
02:11:48
Reagan Gagoswe agree both? Huh? Can we agree both? All women before marriage should be virgins and men should but they're not. Well, the thing is too that's like something we can't take back. And it's
02:11:59
Reagan Gagossomething that like I feel like at a young age it was like hyped and whatnot. um we're just going through a whole bunch of programming like they're wanting us to be confused, to be
02:12:11
Reagan Gagospromiscuous, to engage in partying and keep us distracted at a low vibration. And it sucks because I think we could agree that we would wait for our husband. But unfortunately, that's
02:12:23
Tyenasomething we can't get back. And I feel like now, like in terms of me and my relationship, like, okay, I can't offer him virginity, but I can offer him a bow, loyalty. Um, that was a good one.
02:12:35
TyenaUm, but also, you know, knowing that no other man is ever going to touch my body. I'm not going to do things to try to entice men to even want to be near me. You know, I mean, I'm never going to be provoking men's attention or anything like that. That's the best that we can
02:12:48
Jim Bobdo for women who aren't virgins. And, you know, if if a man is willing to accept that, great. You know, sounds like modesty. The question is um why why
02:12:57
Jim Bobdon't the men in our culture why haven't we earned the modesty before the marriage? You know what I mean? Cuz it's like there there's this trend where it's like yeah you you find you found the man
02:13:08
Jim Bobof your dreams. You both, let's be honest, both wish you could erased a lot of your past. Uh but now you're you want to you know kind of settle into the modesty position for your husband. But it's interesting that it's kind of at
02:13:21
Jim Bobthe tail end and it's not at the at the beginning. It would make more sense that women were modest for their potential husbands. But that plays into how you're raised and like your life experiences
02:13:33
Tyenathat you have. You know, again like I was subscribe growing up like I subscribe to the whole feminist independent woman all yada yada all that jazz. But growing up, having children, having a children is a big thing too,
02:13:45
Tyenalike to shift your mindset because it really puts perspective, you know, priorities into place and it puts into perspective choices that you made, things you would have done differently. So like hindsight is 2020. Like I
02:13:56
Jim Bobtotally would have changed a lot of the things I did as a teenager knowing if I would have known what I knew now. Well, I think we could both all agree that uh descriptively, at least in the US and some other countries, that the movement
02:14:07
Jim Bobaway from traditional values, particularly Christian ones, um and the pursuit of feminism and liberation and you the women get targeted like clearly like men already have a sense of
02:14:20
Jim Bobindividualism just because of our nature. We're not out to find that's why there's no men there. There are some men's groups, but we laugh at them. They're not like fighting for their liberation. It's never reversed. So, you're always hearing from the women, we
02:14:32
Jim Bobwant this, and you're basically asking the men for it. Um, but I mean, in the last 100 years, I mean, this has really messed up women's mindsets because they're they're attributing value to
02:14:45
Jim Bobsomething that doesn't give them a return that they ultimately want, but they don't know they want it until they're older, and then they're suddenly like, "Oh, [ __ ] You know what I want?" Well, it turns out the thing you wanted all along um you could have had and you
02:14:57
Jim Bobdidn't need to sacrifice uh all of that. You didn't need promiscuity. You didn't need practice with sex. You didn't need any of these things. But yeah, you the women are taught this and and taught you can just be just like a man. Burp. Have
02:15:09
Jim Bobyou seen like female comedians? They literally act like just gross male comedians. Like the the ones they're impersonating aren't even funny male comedians. But that's like a microcosm
02:15:20
Jim Bobof what I'm looking at is there's this like effort to have women um go out there and be like sloppy because men can be. It's like is that really a good fight to show up in public and like you
02:15:34
Lily Kateknow you look like you're in your total pajamas and you're like liberation. You're like what are we doing? Orbach wrote a book called Fat is Feminist and the whole premise of her book is that male beauty standards are
02:15:46
Lily Katetoo restrictive and we should rebel women should rebel against them by being fat. And this was this was in the ' 60s or 70s when it was published. And so when feminists tell you like, oh, it's
02:15:57
Lily Katenot an it's an act of rebellion, like they really mean everything. They also say one of the one of the other contradictions of feminism is men's beauty standards are too high and impossible and men will screw everything
02:16:10
Tyenathat moves. And I'm like you which one is it? Is it that they're too selective or that they'll do anything? It's the male they'll have sex with anything. It's also don't that they put it on men because like if we didn't have like
02:16:22
Tyenasocial media, magazines, like things in front of our faces showing us what we would like, again, men don't care. Like they they really wouldn't have these kinds of preference. It's really media, the world, society that pushes those
02:16:34
Tyenakinds of things on us. And we want to blame men because, you know, like it's just the easiest thing. They're right in front of us. What's, you know, but that's not realistic. It's not men don't have an obligation to protect us from
02:16:46
Lily Kateour own emotions, right? I used to think that and then I learned that really quickly. I would literally told my boyfriend one time, I was like, I feel like you should just protect me from my emotions. And as soon as it came out, I was like, no, that is not your job.
02:16:57
Jim BobThat's not a healthy job. The best the best we can do is like is essentially equivalent to go to your room. Like go over there for like 20 minutes until the the the thing is over basically. But that's the best we can do it with that.
02:17:09
Reagan GagosWell, it has to start with destroying the nuclear family. And the first thing is messing up the women's mindset, telling them to compete with men, getting them out of the house, and then confusing them with this feminist
02:17:21
Brian Atlasmovement. And now they've moved to attacking kids and saying that you um are actually in the wrong body. You're in the wrong body. I love this battle today. I swear I really because So
02:17:33
Brian Atlasanyways, uh here we have some chats coming through. Lucas says, "The queen may be the most powerful, versatile chess piece, but the game ends when the king is taken or checkmated. More
02:17:45
Brian Atlasimportantly, the queen can be replaced if a pawn is moved." That's true. Across the board, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Lucas always very spot
02:17:56
Brian Atlason. We have some super chats, too. We have uh perception music. This is for Jim Bob's underwear itches. Thank you. Okay.
02:18:06
Brian AtlasWow. Okay. Nice. 100 for that. Love it. We have emotional damage. None of the women in America is a woman worth marrying. Okay. My advice for men is to have fun with these hoes. Wow. That's
02:18:18
Brian Atlasall that emotional damage. I was going to say for you, the grammar, everything about this is if you are looking to get married, go overseas and get a woman who has her priorities right and value motherhood. You will Okay. Wow. He
02:18:32
Brian Atlasdoesn't. They didn't hear me talking about motherhood earlier. Thank you. Emotional damage, Lucas. Wait, did I just hear the good old feline who hurt you? shaming trope. Oh, I It was This is probably like the most I've ever gotten.
02:18:43
Brian AtlasThe who hurt you? Did it actually come from the reformed drug addict? Oh, okay. Have you any idea how revoling that is? Stop. It doesn't work. You come across as super
02:18:55
Brian Atlasmanipulative, bad faith, instant rejection. Boom. Thank you, Lucas, for the soup, chat. appreciate this. I don't know why I care what your opinion is. Because look how handsome he is. Not my
02:19:07
Brian Atlastype. He's got a wife. That's not my type. What's your type? Do you like black guys? I like black. Did I say it first? Did I say first? They're strong enough to handle me. Oh,
02:19:19
Christina Joneshand. They're strong enough to handle you. What does that mean? They're not so sensitive like that. They're not sensitive. First of all, everybody has baggage. Everybody has baggage. I was just talking about this.
02:19:30
Christina JonesI the longer you live, the more baggage you have. I have baggage. You have baggage. You have You have baggage. Our life is a series of things that have happened that have formed the way we
02:19:41
Christina Jonesview the world. Yeah, that's a fact. So, it is a fact. Yeah. So, yeah, I wasn't insulting you when I said that. Like, what who who hurt you? Who hurt me?
02:19:52
Christina JonesPeople hurt me. People hurt everyone. You know, hurt people hurt people. Like obviously someone hurt you cuz you felt the need to try to make me feel bad
02:20:01
Christina Joneswhich ain't going to work. Um but um that's right. Yeah. Everything everything we go through forms our our views and that's why everybody has different views cuz everybody has a
02:20:12
Brian Atlasdifferent life. Beautiful. I love that for you. It's a fact. It's a fact. This is going to sound really bad but like
02:20:22
Tyenaactually I shouldn't say it. Um, now you have to. Yeah, right. Come on. Share with the question. Are you blushing? He's red. Look at
02:20:34
Brian Atlasthis is going to sound really bad. Or is it? I don't know. Do you have tissues? Yeah. Sometimes you can look at somebody. Never mind. I'm not going to say this. I feel like I can't say it. I can't say
02:20:48
Brian Atlasit. I feel like we all have Raise your hand if you want Brian to say it. I think we all have thick enough skin. We're all here. We're having a conversation together. Should chat, should I say it? Should I say it, chat? He was going to say he
02:21:00
Savannah Craven-Entalcould look at me and tell that I like black guys. Yeah, that's what you were going to say. I knew that's what you were going to say. But didn't you? He did. Yeah. But I don't think there's anything wrong with that because it's just like a stereotype. I mean, you
02:21:14
Savannah Craven-Entalalready had mentioned that you were with a Nigerian man. And I mean, respectfully, you're like a gorgeous white woman who I mean, you're wearing cheetah print. You definitely like black guys. And the more we pay attention to things like that, I like black people.
02:21:26
Jim BobAll my friends are black. Everybody in my life is black. Are you black? No, it's a preference. I don't think I'm black. Wait, do you like Do you like cheetah? Because cheetahs are in Africa.
02:21:37
TyenaI don't even What? I'm just wondering if there's a correlation. But I also feel like we shouldn't pay attention to crap like that. Like, who cares what skin color you are? The more you pay attention, the more people are going to
02:21:48
Tyenapay into the divides and feed into it because like who cares? Like really? Okay, I'll just say it. Or maybe no. Wait, no. I already said it for you.
02:22:00
Brian AtlasIt's like you can you can look at somebody and you can kind of guess if they would
02:22:11
Lily Katedate somebody else. Yeah, sure. No, I know. Like, okay, this is going to sound What if you went around the side and guessed all of our types then? Oh, well, hold on.
02:22:24
Brian AtlasYou're good at it. Could and can or not. I'm not saying I'm not saying I can like look at somebody and like know with certainty the type of person they go for, but I do think
02:22:32
Brian Atlasthat there's just like a certain subset of white women. Mhm. I agree. And you're you're just like I think they prefer to date black
02:22:43
Jim Bobmen. No, it's and I can tell I can tell by I don't even need to speak to them. I'm just like, yeah, she she does that. Wait, can I ask can I ask you do you get
02:22:56
Christina Jonesdo you get disproportionately more attention from black men than white men? I prefer black men, but I mean every race has been I don't every race
02:23:07
Christina Jonesinterested. It's not an obvious It's not like I only get black men that approach me. Mhm. No,
02:23:16
Christina Jonesbut I've tested this out. Mhm. This one time. Wait, I think we should I think we should try to guess. You can No, but you you're right. You can tell. I think a lot of people can look at me and I feel
02:23:29
Savannah Craven-Entallike for the most part like they call me spicy mayo. Like Chipotle mayo. You look like an NBA wife. I think that's just what it is. Thank you. You're welcome. I mean, I
02:23:40
Tyenafeel like I feel like cuz for the most part, like generally, you can't sit make, you know, specific statements, blanket statements about everybody. But from my experience,
02:23:52
Tyenamost black men you are very dominant, strong like strong type of guys. I'm not saying anything bad about white guys. Don't try to go there. I'm not saying y'all can't be. But this is about She's
02:24:04
Tyenaabout to say some No, not at all. I'm just saying that a strong personality, it would make sense that she's going for that strong. But again, it's not to say that you can't find that in white
02:24:14
Savannah Craven-Entalpeople's ass. Repeat that. How is it not racist? I don't know what she said. Because Hold on. Wait. Just wait. Hold on. Can you just repeat what you
02:24:24
Christina Jonessaid? You if you're talking about a white person, people can't be racist to white people. Okay. So, hold on. Hold on. Before we have people jump in, does anybody agree with her first? No. Oh,
02:24:37
Nadiayou agree with to a certain degree. Okay. Let me let me say the to a certain degree. Systematically speaking, you can't um um wait. Systematically, you can't think about it like this. Yeah. Uh
02:24:49
Savannah Craven-Entalwhite people when have white people been oppressed? So, Irish the word slave comes from the Slavic people. That's where the word slave comes from. White people were the first people to be enslaved and white
02:25:02
Savannah Craven-Entalpeople. There's way more white people that have been enslaved in history than black people. Hands down. Okay. So, you're saying like like like Jewish people, Slavic, um Yeah. Anybody who's considered white or lighter skinned, there's been way more white people
02:25:14
Savannah Craven-Entalenslaved than black people ever. Okay. Well, then I would say Oh, go ahead. Yeah. And when we think about, you know, why were black people enslaved? Who sold them to Americans? who their own people
02:25:26
Jim Bobwho still has slavery. Yeah. Africa still has slavery today. Exactly. Because technically slavery is not a skin color. It applies to people. Plus, I want to I want to
02:25:36
Jim Bobverify something is that uh enslaving people. Uh it doesn't have to be about race. Like you can enslave a bunch of dwarves. It wouldn't be racist. Black people weren't enslaved because they're black. They were available. I mean that
02:25:50
Jim Bobsounds horrible. What is racism? Is it isn't it someone define it cuz they keep changing the definition where you think your race is superior to another or inferior? Yes. You can like
02:26:02
Savannah Craven-Entalsay your your own race is inferior. Yes. But if I say so in your like I'm addressing this question to you. If I say like I hate white people, is that racist?
02:26:11
Christina JonesI think it's prejudice. If I say I hate black people, is that racist? I think it depends on what race you're I mean I some somebody bring up the definition of racism. Well, it's
02:26:23
Savannah Craven-Entalthinking that your race is superior to someone's or that your race or that somebody else's race, you know, is superior race to yours for whatever reason. That's all it is. Cuz like
02:26:35
Savannah Craven-Entalprejudice is like racism is prejudice against race, right? So, I mean, you can say it's prejudice, but it's like it's still racism because you're saying like, well, I hate all black people or I hate all I actually would make even a further
02:26:48
Jim Bobdistinction there. I think you could be prejudiced against all sorts of people and it not be a fully racist position like because we can prejudge based on uh
02:26:58
Jim Bobparticulars that we gather to generalities. Um and you can prejudge uh for a variety of reason and and that's actually a form of us uh uh navigating the world in a lot of senses. Like
02:27:10
Jim Bobanyone have kids here? Mhm. I mean, the things they come home and say based in school is is like, you know, it's it would be seen as taboo, but yet they're just describing a generality. And so the
02:27:22
Jim Bobracism thing is really gotten out of control because the strictest form of racism would just be this assumption that there's superiority or inferiority only based on race, not based on a
02:27:34
Jim Bobcollection of behaviors even, right? Just race alone, just the distinction race. But because of that uh that distinction, that definition has changed so much in the last 100 years. Uh people
02:27:47
Jim Bobthink that any sort of judgment about any race that's negative is racism. But that's not the case. Like you can just not like uh things about people's culture, right? Like I just don't like
02:27:58
Jim Bobit. I don't like it. I don't prefer that culture. How could that possibly be racist? So when you say white people can't be racist, that's why it was a great question from you. When you say, "I don't like, you know, I hate white
02:28:10
Jim Bobpeople. Is that racist?" She says, "No." If you say, "I hate black people. Is it racist?" You were about to say yes, but you caught yourself and you said, "Wait a second. There's an inconsistency here." And I did a whole YouTube video on this, like asking people, can you
02:28:22
Savannah Craven-Entalknow, black people be racist or can only white people be racist? And most of them were saying like, yeah, it's because, you know, racism is because you're in a position of power. It's like, no, you can just hate people like people just
02:28:34
Tyenahated Jews cuz they're Jewish. Yeah, it was nothing about like Yeah, I'm so sorry. I feel like it was really interesting when you said like it was prejudice for white people, but then it
02:28:45
Tyenayou know it would be racist. And I feel like that comes into play because I feel like in this country specifically because of our history with racism and how horribly, you know, black people were treated back, you know, and all those times. I feel like in today's age,
02:28:58
Tyenaa lot of white people feel guilty about everything that happened that like the guilt kind of comes into play. you won't accept that you can have white racism against white people because it almost feels like you're
02:29:10
Christina Jonessaying going against black people almost like let's have you actually state your position. I mean, the only re I mean, white people aren't suppressed like black people are and different I'm
02:29:21
Savannah Craven-Entalsuppressed. I'm oppressed. Are I mean with DEI recently where like these companies and these schools I'm left-handed are literally making sure that they bring in a certain amount of
02:29:32
Savannah Craven-Entalblack people, a certain amount of Asian people, like people from other countries and not letting white people in. I mean, we've seen that that I know that at
02:29:43
Savannah Craven-EntalForom University, which is in New York City, they had a whole issue with that in the past few years where they were purposely making sure to like give uh scholarships to a certain number of
02:29:53
Savannah Craven-Entalblack students just because they wanted their university to be more diverse. And it's like you should be judged on how well you do in school to get into a school, especially like Forom. It's very
02:30:05
Savannah Craven-Entalexpensive. It's very prestigious. It's a private school. like not just because you want to make your school more diverse. Like that is racism right there to me. I believe DEI is racist. Can you give an example of black people in
02:30:18
Jim BobAmerica right now being would you say oppressed, suppressed, oppressed? So I mean white people have more advantages
02:30:27
Christina Joneslike in the law or just like in general socially, economically. Can you give an example? Is it that more white families choose to
02:30:39
Christina Jonesstay together? No, it's I mean it's poverty. Look at most of the black neighborhoods. It's poverty. It's the crime. It's most causes poverty. Why is there so much crime in black
02:30:50
Savannah Craven-Entalneighborhoods because they're not given the same advantages white people are given? No, it's because like Lily was saying that these families are not together and when you know your parents don't stay together, you're more likely
02:31:02
Savannah Craven-Entalto get involved in crime. And the reason that these neighborhoods, these black and minority neighborhoods are more police, it's because, you know, black men are, what are they, like 13% population, maybe maybe even less than that, 6% of the population, something
02:31:14
Lily Katelike that. Yet, they commit over 50% of the murders in this country. Like, of course, they're going to be more policed in those areas where there's more crime. And I think up to 70% of black children are born without a father in the home as well. And we know from our previous
02:31:28
Lily Katediscussion that that is one of the biggest determining factors for the success of a person and a community because before the Civil Rights Act and the welfare state was built, the black community was thriving. I mean, the
02:31:40
Lily KateUncle Tom movies literally talk about how how these communities were so great and they were based around the church and most families were staying together. They own more businesses too, right?
02:31:50
Lily KateYeah. Like per capita. Um, and so what we what you guys what your position is is that we as white people have privileges, but what we're saying is our
02:32:01
Jim Bobparents just made different and I would argue sometimes better choices. Like is it a privilege? Is it a privilege given to someone if they decide to keep their family together? like a father, is it a
02:32:14
Jim Bobprivilege that's given to me from someone else if I stay in my family as the father and another family uh in another family they leave? because that's an action. Like she just said,
02:32:25
Jim Boball of the statistics around fatherless homes are the correlate is so massive for these kind of instances. Crime, uh, mental illness, uh, drug abuse, every
02:32:36
Jim Bobthere's so many things. And so when you say, well, it's a privilege. Well, what if it's the case that your culture and your ideology actually provides the privilege? What if I granted you that
02:32:46
Jim Bobwhite people are privileged, but it's not given by some power? Isn't it possible to generate your own privilege? Can't you generate your own privilege? I
02:32:58
Jim Bobmean, you can. I mean, every situation's different. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, how do you delineate the privileges that are that are a fruit of the ideology and the culture and the practices and the choices from the ones that are sort of granted from this
02:33:11
Jim Bobinvisible arm of power that's like you're white? I mean, have you been to the south? Like the like like some of these places are super poor. Um, they're not privileged, right? like what's his name? Uh Theo Vaughn was like, "I'm not
02:33:23
Jim Bobprivileged. I had to share a plum with my black friend, right? We're like, look at this plum we're sharing." It's like this experience of being privileged is even it's not even uh predominant everywhere there's white people. It just
02:33:35
Jim Bobhappens to be particular types of families who have uh who have basically uh established generational wealth. How can you establish generational wealth if
02:33:47
Savannah Craven-Entalthe father is gone? Yeah. And I also think that it's sad to think that a child having two parents is like a privilege cuz that's just something that a child deserves. Should just that
02:33:59
Savannah Craven-Entalshould just come with you know you being a child. It shouldn't be something that's like oh my gosh you're so lucky that you have two parents. Like it's sad that we've come to that. You know there's so many um me you know uh
02:34:10
Savannah Craven-Entaldivided families and separated families that when I see somebody that has two parents I'm like oh that's they're so lucky. It shouldn't be that way. Yeah. I mean, I
02:34:19
Christina Jonesthink at the end of the day, white people are more privileged and like how well in many ways, but you don't have to
02:34:30
Christina Jonesworry about driving when black. Look at how many black men have been killed by the police for doing absolutely nothing. What situation are you referring to? Give us Can you give us He wasn't He was
02:34:42
Savannah Craven-Entaldoing absolutely nothing. Well, not enough to get murdered. He was high on fentanyl. That's what killed him. The autopsy actually says he overdosed. Yes. Yeah. He was screaming, "I can't breathe." before they even put him on
02:34:54
Tyenathe ground. I don't know. I didn't watch the video. Yeah. And I mean, that's the whole thing. You should really because the reason this is not a dig at you at all. I promise. I feel like that's the
02:35:04
Tyenabiggest problem with everything. people are not willing to do the deep dives and really check their sources of where they're getting the information because like you said back in the day before
02:35:16
Tyenathere were programs like welfare and Medicaid and all that other stuff. Black people did do better because they had more of a drive to because there was more of a reason to when you give and it's not a dig on black people at all. My father's black and Puerto Rican, my
02:35:28
Tyenamother's Puerto Rican like I'm mixed. So, but it's not it's just about people. If you're going to always give people an out, then the wrong people are going to take it. It's not saying that black people are the wrong people. Don't ever
02:35:39
Tyenatake it that way. It can be white, Puerto Rican, Asian, anybody. Because if you go to New York City, you got all kinds of people on government programs that are just willing to pass down their section 8 or their food stamps to the
02:35:53
Tyenanext family member. And that has absolutely nothing to do with their color, race, religion, whatever. That has not that. It's just about who's really willing to do the work. And in today's day and age, not many people
02:36:04
Tyenaare. And and that goes into doing something as small as doing research as to why things are the way they are. Do you think that uh women can be sexist towards men? Yes.
02:36:15
Brian AtlasThat's for you. Do I think women can be sexist towards men? Yeah. Like kind of in the same way that you don't think uh like white people can experience racism, like a
02:36:27
Christina Jonesblack person couldn't be racist. I don't think white people can necessarily experience racism this day and age because there is more privilege. There's more more is given to white people.
02:36:38
Christina JonesYeah. Do you think men are more privileged than women? Well, if you want to get technical, I mean they are technically paid more. I mean, right across the board, aren't men, but they also have to go to war and
02:36:51
Lily Katedie for us. Yeah, that's true. No, the way that the gender pay gap started to exist was they took all the median earnings between all men and all the median earnings between women and um they basically matched them up and said,
02:37:02
Lily Kate"Oh, well look, there's obviously a difference." But the problem is if you take the lowest paying jobs, early childhood education, um caretaking, nannying, etc., those are like 98% women
02:37:15
Lily Katedominated. If you take the five most lucrative professions um pharmaceutical science, rocket scientists etc etc then you find that those are heavily maledominated. So of course when you
02:37:27
Lily Katefactor in personal choices which feminists never want to do you get this what they call the wage gap and then they blame it on men taking that away from women and they blame it on men the patriarchy which no feminist can ever
02:37:39
Savannah Craven-Entaldefine. They blame it on men um because it's more anymore. So, how do you patriarchy? If women were to make so much less than men, then why aren't
02:37:48
Savannah Craven-Entalcompanies just only employing women so that they can save money?
02:37:55
Christina JonesI don't know. I don't I don't really care. But I love that you also don't try to act like you know. Like, I love that you're real about it. You know what? All I know is that I'm passionate about like I don't
02:38:08
Christina Jonesknow everything about history. During Black History Month, I sat down with one of my best friends and she told me a lot of information that I did not know. Was I embarrassed for being white? Absolutely. How do you know it was true though? You shouldn't be embarrassed for
02:38:21
Savannah Craven-Entalbeing white just because some white people have done bad things. Like some black Okay. But some black people have done horrible things. And it sucks like with bringing up the George Floyd thing is it the left screams the names of drug
02:38:33
Savannah Craven-Entaladdicts and people who have tried to rape people or who have raped people and like George Floyd who held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach. Like this was not a good man. They try to make him out
02:38:45
Savannah Craven-Entallike he was a good father that he was dedicated to his girlfriend or his wife or whatever. He was not. He was a drugaddicted piece of crap basically that did not deserve to die. I am not
02:38:56
Savannah Craven-Entalsaying what the policeman did was right or whatever, but that knee on his neck did not kill him. He was dying of fentanyl overdose. But then look what happens is that you hear part of a
02:39:09
Savannah Craven-Entalstory. You just read the headline and it blows up and we made statues of this man. Like we were marching the streets. These people burnt down cities for like
02:39:20
Savannah Craven-Entalover a hundred days. Yeah. My salon was looted. That's disgusting. They were literally burning down blackowned businesses. Yet they want to scream Black Lives Matter. They want to scream Black Lives Matter. Yet they support an
02:39:33
Savannah Craven-Entalorganization which is just the abortion industrial complex that kills over 400,000 black babies every single year. I was talking about George Floyd. There's many situations, black men and
02:39:43
Christina Joneswomen that have been killed for no reason other than being black. So, but but who just so just a question for you though? So you're saying I mean all the names that everybody just curious
02:39:55
Brian AtlasDraymond Martin like sorry I'm interrupting okay so let's use George let's use George Floyd for an example right uh let's just go ahead and grant that sure let's say it was murder like
02:40:07
Brian Atlaslet's say I don't think it was but let's say it was right uh what evidence from the video or anything else would actually point that he did it because he was black so like if bad thing happened
02:40:19
Brian Atlasto black person does it mean like bad thing happened to black person equals racism or can bad things happen to uh anybody and it doesn't like bad thing
02:40:30
Brian Atlashappened to woman bad thing happened to black person doesn't mean it's sexism doesn't mean it's racism right so I get that George Floyd was black but what specifically would
02:40:41
Christina Jonesindicate that it was because he was black that he was murdered I'm not saying there is anything to indicate but some of the other situations where black people have been killed for no reason.
02:40:53
Savannah Craven-EntalThey didn't do anything. Mhm. Yeah. And that's not okay. I mean, obviously, we can all agree with that. But George Floyd was not he did not die and he was not arrested because he was black.
02:41:04
Christina JonesThey burned down cities and screamed Black Lives Matter and put him at the top of I mean, I don't I don't agree with all you know that that that was crazy like the amount of damage that was done over that. I don't agree with. So,
02:41:16
Brian Atlasquestion to you then. Yeah. I I was asking you previously uh can women be sexist towards men?
02:41:27
Brian AtlasCan women be sexist towards men? Right. Sure. Okay. So, how do I want to approach this? Um
02:41:38
Brian Atlaswell, it's interesting you bring up the police killings or police brutality because the rate of uh if if we do a comparison thing. So you might say, for example, or tell me if this is your
02:41:48
Brian Atlasposition. Mhm. Uh, black people as compared to white people experience more police misconduct, police killings, and police brutality. Would you opinion?
02:41:57
Brian AtlasYes. Yeah. What if I told you that the uh the difference between uh black uh
02:42:06
Brian Atlasblack and white people, this is five times higher uh the difference between men and women. So men are uh much more likely to be
02:42:18
Brian Atlasvictims of police misconduct, police killings, okay, police brutality than women are. Sure. The the rate is far greater than the discrepancy, the difference between black and white. So
02:42:30
Brian Atlaswould you then say that this is evidence of sexism in the police force, systemic sexism in police forces uh against men? Guess if you want to frame it like that.
02:42:41
Brian AtlasSure. So men men are oppressed. I think they definitely are. Sure. Okay, there you go. All right, we let me read a couple chats here. Uh,
02:42:50
Brian Atlaslet's see. We have Lucas Chair 2. Perhaps it's true that we all have some level of baggage, but that pro provides you with license to pro project
02:43:00
Brian Atlasyour baggage visav. Good word, Lucas. Ad hominin insults onto others. Rest assured, I'm un unimpressed with and then he
02:43:12
Brian Atlascontinues with your I'm too strong to handle veneer. It's nothing more than the house of cards. Stop with the abrasiveness. Trust me, as a New York City attorney, I can sling it back at
02:43:22
Lily Kateyou by orders of magnitude. Damn. Okay, it's personal now. You want to respond to that?
02:43:33
Christina Jonesgoing to take a I I'm not phased by it. Oh, phased by what? By any like I'm not offended. I don't really I mean I don't really care. You're the one sitting there watching me. Uh men should get I
02:43:45
Christina Jonesthink No, not men. No, nobody nobody can say anything that's going to offend me cuz I know exactly who I am. Oh, okay. I I think uh What do you think about me? And I'm
02:43:57
Christina Jonesgoing to tell you, if you if you went to a certain if if you were caught doing a certain thing that wasn't necessarily right or illegal, like Oh, what was that one guy
02:44:09
Christina Jonesthat was marching down the street with uh a handgun during that thing and they arrested him? That was a black dude. He would have been shot down. Oh, Kyle Riddenhouse. Yeah, he was marching down the street with a gun. But he looked
02:44:21
Lily Katelike a cub scout. Ex. Thank you. He has the right. I mean, he looks like a boy. A little boy. have a gun on. It's what he looks like. Yeah. He's like, "Hey, look at that little guy." He was also being chased by two guys who turn out to be pedophiles.
02:44:34
Savannah Craven-EntalYeah. And he I mean, do you believe in the Second Amendment? Like, he should be able to walk around with a gun cuz he needs to protect himself. And if he wouldn't have been able to protect himself, he probably would have been killed that day.
02:44:46
Savannah Craven-EntalBut then he went and killed a bunch of people. He didn't just go out and kill people. He was protecting himself. Yeah. self-defense. Good times. Okay. So, what do you have
02:44:58
Savannah Craven-Entalto say about the Austin Metaf situation? Have you heard about that? Where Carmelo Anthony, he murdered this white kid. He So, Carmelo is black and he murdered
02:45:08
Savannah Craven-Entalthis white kid, Austin Metaf, at a track meet by stabbing him in the heart and killed him because he wouldn't Austin would not get out of his seat.
02:45:18
Savannah Craven-EntalOkay. And he, this Carmela Anthony, the kid that killed Austin Metaf, has raised over $500,000 on Gibbs and go after murdering. Did you hear? Did you hear
02:45:30
Savannah Craven-Entalhis parents also bought a house? A real big house. But guess what? There's been no marching in the street by white people burning down buildings, screaming white lives matter. Like, why aren't we using the same energy as like the George Floyd situation? And think about, just
02:45:43
Savannah Craven-Entalthink about if it would have been opposite if a white kid went up to Carmelo and was like, "You need to get out of my seat." And he said, "No." And he stabbed him to death. Imagine where our country would be. Oh, totally. Just
02:45:54
Christina Joneslike what happened uh earlier this week when this woman was calling this kid with autism the n-word, and they've raised like $500,000 for her. Yeah, that's also wrong, but that's not equivalent to murdering someone because
02:46:08
Savannah Craven-EntalI mean, she's just she just called him a name. Should she have done that? No. But it's not stupid. And I've seen the very donation comments, but also in Carmelo's who actually he murdered someone and he
02:46:21
Savannah Craven-Entalshould be in prison cuz he murdered somebody. Um there, you know, there's comments of people donating saying kill all whites. No, that's crazy. Like it's there's racism on both sides, but like people comparing the situation when she
02:46:34
Savannah Craven-Entalcalled a kid a word. Okay, whatever. That's not okay. You shouldn't kill, excuse me, you shouldn't call little kids, you know, bad names. But that's it's not like she stabbed him. Sure. Wait, you said there's racism on both sides, so people can be racist against
02:46:46
Christina Joneswhite people. I feel like they can be prejudice. I don't feel like black people are can be racist when they are the more oppressed. So is it is
02:46:59
Savannah Craven-Entalyour definition of racis racism? Let's pull it up. But statistically, they're prejudice plus power. Hm. But statistically, they're not more oppressed. I mean, when we think out who kills the most black people, black
02:47:10
Savannah Craven-Entalpeople. Okay. Like, who leaves like which which families are most broken apart and don't marry? Like, men don't marry their wives? It's black people. So, like it's
02:47:21
Savannah Craven-EntalI think, you know, I'm brown, my dad is black, like I'm mixed. I would say that it's the fault of our own community. And instead of fixing it, we decide to just go and blame it on white people because it's so easy to do that. It's easy to
02:47:33
Savannah Craven-Entalblame all of your problems and your stupid decisions on other people because you don't have to take responsibility. So you're half black, half white. Yeah. Okay. And my dad was also not in the mix. Didn't marry my mom. Like
02:47:45
Christina Jonesobviously, you know, they had me out of wedlock. So like I mean there was both content. That's actually a good question. If she's half um how do you apply the rule? Can she hide? No. No. During this this discussion that
02:47:57
Christina JonesI had with my friend during Black History Month, cuz I want to educate myself more. Um she was saying that if a
02:48:06
Christina Jonesmixed child if it is raised by the white woman will be way raised more white. I have a question. What does it mean to
02:48:17
Savannah Craven-Entalbe educated? That is almost a racist statement because what do you mean like raise white, raise black? your beliefs. But how can someone say what are my white beliefs? You're you're saying
02:48:29
Savannah Craven-Entalyou're you're not defending your black side at all. When did I say that? You're you're talking about how I'm just talking about facts, the statistics and the facts. I I'm I'm very grateful to be
02:48:41
Savannah Craven-Entalmixed. That's amazing. But I can tell you as my experience of being a mixed woman who grew up and like yes was raised by my mom like I don't you know I've always been told I don't sound
02:48:54
Savannah Craven-Entalblack. you don't act, which I think is just like prejudice or racist statements because like what does that even mean? But I can tell you I have received more racism from the black community than I