She Called Him FAT?! If Men SHOULD Take A Bullet For Her, What SHOULD Women Do?! | Dating Talk #241
Date: 2025-05-05
Duration: 6h 36m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_03Lily Kate(guest)
SPEAKER_04Callie(guest)
SPEAKER_05Nadia(guest)
SPEAKER_06Tyena(guest)
SPEAKER_07Christina Jones(guest)
SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_10Jim Bob(guest)
SPEAKER_11Savannah Craven-Ental(guest)
SPEAKER_12Reagan Gagos(guest)
SPEAKER_13Roxy (Beijing)(guest)
SPEAKER_14Lily (UCSB)(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:24
IntroAll 10 guests introduced including 2 Chinese exchange students and pro-life activist
00:21:12
Key MomentSavannah: punched in face during pro-life outreach, needed stitches
01:48:00
ControversyBrian: would NOT take a bullet for wife. Would use her as meat shield. Children > parents > wife.
03:18:10
Key MomentLily Kate: fake-dated Jojo Siwa's brother for social media content. Lost hundreds of thousands of followers going conservative.
03:27:37
Key MomentCallie: pregnant at 15, walked into abortion clinic, chose open adoption after someone told her about it
05:34:48
Key MomentChristina vs Brian: tension over perceived fat-shaming and weight comments throughout the night
Topics Discussed
00:03:24
Guest Introductions
10 guests including 2 Chinese exchange students, pro-life activist Savannah, and Jim Bob.
00:21:12
Savannah Punched During Outreach
Punched in face by pro-abortion woman during Live Action event. Needed stitches.
00:23:24
Marriage and Biblical Submission
Christian vs secular marriage frameworks. Jim Bob's triangle model.
00:39:00
Feminism Critique
Lily Kate writing '100 Ways Feminism Is a Failure.' Suffragettes as destructive.
01:48:00
Should Men Take a Bullet
Brian: would NOT die for wife. Would use her as meat shield. Rank: children > parents > wife.
02:24:00
Race/Racism/White Privilege
Christina: white people can't experience racism. Savannah pushes back citing Irish/Slavic enslavement.
03:04:51
AI Aging/Gender Swap
AI photos of all guests.
05:16:30
Body Count Round
Nadia: 8 (4M/4W). Reagan: 5. Lily UCSB: 0 (virgin).
Transcript
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00:55:08
Roxy (Beijing)um spend a a hard time uh see as me. Okay. If you had a husband, would you want to have a kid?
00:55:23
Lily KateMaybe. So, you don't want to be a single mom? Um yeah. Right. But it maybe if you had a husband who was helping you would
00:55:32
Jim Bobwant to have a child or you would be open to it. May maybe maybe I would Yeah, it sounds like uh
00:55:43
Jim Boband this is something obviously present here in the west is the I would call it propaganda. Not that there isn't a realistic uh focus and concern when you do have kids and when you're trying to
00:55:55
Jim Bobprepare, but as everyone knows, even if you thought you were prepared, you're still not prepared. Um, but we're pretty much bombarded constantly with uh baby means you're a slave. A baby means your
00:56:07
Jim Boblife's over. Baby means everything that you liked is over. This is just hammered in to American culture through uh through every facet of of communication.
00:56:18
Jim BobAnd so it's interesting to see from your perspective from another country how much of that is there. Um it's probably less at this point honestly. We got it
00:56:29
Lily Katebad over here. Yeah. Considering how topheavy China's population is I imagine there would be a lot more probab. But you said I don't remember which one of you said it but one of you
00:56:41
Lily Katesaid um I don't want that responsibility of having a baby. Is that who said that? And I said that why would you not want to take on
00:56:52
Lily (UCSB)something so amazing? Um cuz actually if your kid is good, oh that's fine. That's fine. I appreciate
00:57:00
Lily (UCSB)that. But but what if he's had something wrong or done something wrong and you
00:57:07
Lily (UCSB)were get upset and you were think oh god
00:57:11
Lily (UCSB)how do I have a kid like to do that cuz
00:57:16
Lily (UCSB)I make you I made you I had you and I uh like put my heart on you but why you
00:57:26
Jim Bobdon't like oh you're you're afraid to have a little [ __ ] kid. Yes. Well, they are at some point. I mean, they go through a phase. So, um if you're ever considering having kids, just know there
00:57:39
Lily Katewill be a phase where you'll go through that, but that's just a phase. But you're going to love them so much still because you made them. And have you ever talked to a mom about how her life
00:57:52
Tyenachanged when she first saw her newborn baby? I'll tell you right now. Oh, that's literally it was literally the best moment of my life. Like I I don't even know how to explain it.
00:58:03
TyenaIt's like there's the cliche saying like you don't even know what you were doing before you had kids. I truly cannot tell you like the purpose or direction like my life was going in because I I always had like dreams like and goals like I've
00:58:16
Tyenaalways been very goal oriented and school and work and career and all of that. But that doesn't fill your soul the way the love of a child does. Mhm. At the It's like everybody loves their dog and their pet. Every day you go home
00:58:29
Tyenaafter work, you know they're going to love you no matter what. It's that times a million with your kid. And it's just don't tell those dog parents that. They'll fight. They'll they'll open your face. I love animals, too. Like I've had
00:58:41
Reagan Gagospets my whole life, but there really is no it's like they came from you. Mhm. Well, I also think like on a psychology point of view like we are happier as
00:58:51
Reagan Gagoshuman beings when we're being selfless cuz the moment we are selfish and just thinking about oursel is actually when we become more depressed. And us women
00:59:02
Reagan Gagoswere literally made to be nurturers, lovers, caregivers. Like we just have that natural talent. Like a lot of times like what your wife knows things before
00:59:13
Nadiayou do, she's on top of that. like we have that six sense like we are meant we are programmed for that. If I could just chime in on that real quick. As someone I don't have any children just yet, but
00:59:25
Nadiaum I've been a nanny for years and you know whether I was in a classroom teaching or I'm with kids, it didn't matter the age. They made me so happy. Um teaching even crying. I take I'll take the tantrums. It was great.
00:59:37
NadiaHonestly, it made me stronger. But kids just do something for you where it's just like wow. Like you remember why life can be so beautiful. I think it's just because they're so pure and
00:59:48
Tyenainnocent, just like the dog mom or the cat mom. Foster that and give it more love. And the more you love you, more love you put into your kids, the better they're going to turn out. They're going to make mistakes. Look at us. We make
00:59:59
Tyenamistakes. I could tell you so many I made as a young girl. But it gives you more hope in the world with so much ugly crap happening every happen happening everywhere. You look at your kid, you see such puress, happiness, such love,
01:00:11
Reagan Gagosand it just gives you more oomph to get through the next day. Will you have a chance to make the next generation beautiful and stronger? Cuz they definitely have been trying to mess with us and we're to the point where we're
01:00:23
Brian Atlaswaking up and we're over it. Question for you two though. So, I mean, you're both young, you're both 20 or uh is 20 and 21. Is that So do you think
01:00:33
Lily (UCSB)maybe when you're a bit older viewpoint might change or are you pretty set in not having kids?
01:00:41
Lily (UCSB)Um from but now I will say that I won't change my mind of that. I know I love
01:00:49
Lily (UCSB)kids cuz I have a little brother. Yeah, I love him so much. But but actually I won't have my own kid cuz I'm afraid if
01:01:00
Lily (UCSB)if I have a kid. So my love of him will become the first one. You're an engineer, right? Um you're going to be an engineer. So you're afraid to take on the biggest engineering project of your
01:01:11
Lily (UCSB)life. Cuz maybe like that. Yeah. Because I I have
01:01:19
Lily (UCSB)to I have to be in my goal, have to just be my dream and I'm afraid if I have kids so he will become the first or she
01:01:31
Roxy (Beijing)will become the first. I'm afraid of that. Yeah. And then what about you? Um, as she said, maybe I will change my
01:01:41
Calliemind when I have a husband or uh when I uh get in a rel romantic relationship. Can I say something real quick? As as a nurse who goes into homes, like it's
01:01:53
Calliereally sad when I go into homes and those older people do not have children. So, it's you're gonna you're gonna eventually like as you age, you're going to see, you know, that difference
01:02:04
Calliebecause when I go into homes and I help the older population, you know, that don't have kids, it's really, really sad compared to when I go into homes and they do have children. I'm so happy you said that because my mom actually just
01:02:16
Reagan Gagospassed away in March. and to be there with her through that whole entire process has inspired me to want to be a death doula. And just the fact that I was like able to stay the night with
01:02:27
Brian Atlasher, be with her in her last moments. And I'm sure she appreciated that, you know, like Yeah. Are your are your parents married? Yes. And they're still together? Yes. What about you? Are your
01:02:38
Brian Atlasparents they're they're married? Yeah. And do you have any siblings or uh do you have a brother or sister? No. No. No. You had You said one younger
01:02:46
Lily (UCSB)brother? Yes. Okay. So, you're you're the oldest child. M um actually not. Oh, you have an older brother, older sister.
01:02:55
Lily (UCSB)I have an older brother because my parents like he is the son of my father and my father got twice marriage and but
01:03:06
Calliebut we are good. Yeah. Because we played all of the time. Okay. And you said you're from China, right? Yes. Okay. So was that was the two was that where the two kid or the one kid implementation
01:03:19
Lily (UCSB)was just dropped where now you can have as many kids as you you want in China know did y'all hear about that? Like um but now our country just encourage us to
01:03:30
Reagan Gagoshave more kids. Okay. Yeah. Can I ask you what a death doula is? Uh think about like a birth doula who a woman that's there to basically h help that
01:03:41
Reagan Gagosprocess. It's the same thing. It's a woman that's there to help that person pass to the next phase. I love that cuz I lost my mom two years ago. So that would have been very handy. I feel you.
01:03:52
Brian AtlasAnd by help, you don't mean like a pillow, right? I'm just checking. Getting back into the notes, I'm going
01:04:01
Brian Atlasto go to Nadia. Uh that Who's Nadia? Right over here. Hello. You're hiding. Uh, you wrote you're bisexual and you've had years of dating
01:04:13
Brian Atlasboth genders. Yes. Yes. Uh, is anybody else here bisexual or a lesbian? Okay. [Laughter]
01:04:25
Brian AtlasSo, there are two genders. We're just We're putting that out there. Uh, yeah. Figured that out. So, you uh you said you were in a 5-year
01:04:37
Nadiarelationship and you're currently there's a previous one and you are you dating a man or a woman? Um, so at the moment I'm dating a man. That's the one that's going on five years. The other
01:04:46
Brian Atlasfiveear relationship was with a woman. Okay. Uh do you do you have a preference for one or the other? You know, like you prefer men or women at the moment? Um I would definitely say men. That definitely has to do with a lot of, you
01:04:59
Nadiaknow, growth and stuff like that and just preferences. I didn't know that I had before, but at the moment, uh, men for sure. Okay, got it. Uh, you said you wanted to speak on gender roles and
01:05:11
Nadiaexpectations in relationships. Oh, yes. Yes. So, what? Oh, the juicy stuff. I love it. Um, well, yeah. I mean, I as someone who was dating a woman for
01:05:22
Nadiayears, um, and yes, I I was the more masculine one if we're just wondering. I It wasn't always like this. No. No. Yes. Yes. she'll tell you. Uh my
01:05:33
Nadiasister, is it always like that? Like there's one masculine, one feminine, you know? I would say nine times out of 10, um I think there is, but also I will say from where I'm at because you know all different parts of the world, there's so
01:05:45
Nadiamany different types of people. And um I would say where I'm at, uh New York, New Jersey, it's usually like that. You have one feminine, one masculine. But I also with years of you know dating um women and not dating men, now that I'm with
01:05:58
Nadiathe man, I'm just like, "Okay, got it." like it's not only is like it's not really supposed to be like that, but I have seen like femin feminine and feminine or mas even masked that's
01:06:07
Nadiahappened. I've dabbled. Um yeah, but it's a thing. Who pays on the date if you Let me tell you, I was going broke. So, I would say value all the questions
01:06:19
Savannah Craven-Entalyou guys are going to have for her. I've grown up asking her, so I can understand. Yes. She's still studying me. I think that is like if you guys are women and you want to be with a woman
01:06:30
Savannah Craven-Entallike why is one trying to look like or I mean correct me if I'm wrong but why is one looking like a man or trying to look like a man oh yeah okay so I can't speak
01:06:39
Nadiafor all of us right but um for me initially I felt as if I had to take on that masculine role right so that that was also a lot a trauma response too so if we're being real and diving deep into
01:06:51
Nadiathings um a lot of it was I felt like I had to be that man set that good male example. So, even if that means, you know, you're playing the part, you're playing dress up, like for me, that's what it was. And, um, I wasn't able to be like in my feminine energy and, you
01:07:03
Nadiaknow, as soft as I wanted to be. Um, don't get me wrong, still super masculine, but that that was uh that was the thing. Now, I'm a little bit more feminine. Um, yeah. Were you playing that role before you met your or was
01:07:16
Calliethat after or is that a discussion y'all had? You know, um Oh, wait. with my current um no with before the the woman that you were dating like did y'all discuss who was going to be more
01:07:26
Nadiamasculine who was honestly honestly no that was a very natural situation watching it unfold um if we're being honest with my father definitely raised me to be the little
01:07:37
Nadiason um a little boy um she was the girly girl I was not um but also I still again to this day I'm super tomboy I think I just pushed it a little bit more cuz I felt like that was what was right it was comfortable and you know, at at a young
01:07:50
Tyenaage, I was like high school when this was happening. Um, easily impressionable. Everybody was like the pad. Everyone could do it. You know what I mean? And I would just like to point out like again, this circles back to our topic about like marriages and things
01:08:02
Tyenacircling back to Christ because like our mom raised us very Catholic in the church. God is everything. And our father was atheist, probably still is. So grant gr granted they were married
01:08:14
Tyenatill her dying day but that was also very confusing and affected us a lot in our decision making growing up our personalities especially partners that we've chosen you know I'm not the father
01:08:26
Tyenaof my kids they we were together for 5 years that didn't work out for various reasons but um the person I'm with now for the last 3 years I mean he's wonderful he's like best dad in the
01:08:37
Jim Bobworld like you know their dad is still around but stepdad for The the whole um acting out the traits of the opposite sex is really interesting because if you look at uh
01:08:48
Jim Bobmen homosexual who are attracted to the same sex, they start to to almost present a caricature of a woman that even women don't even sound like that.
01:08:58
Jim BobIt's like it's like a woman that's cast in like a a TV show that's over the top, but then um you know with the handwaving and the lisping and all of that like
01:09:08
Nadiawhat's the equivalent for lesbians? Oh well I got you first first with let's jump. Is it like brushing a can? Sitting with your leg.
01:09:20
NadiaUm so first with the fashion so it's the look, right? You got to right you got to sell it. Um, like Young M. Hello. You look like Rosie the River. You're You're like, "Let's go to the bar."
01:09:33
NadiaSnapback was a thing. It was a thing. Um, we didn't sag the pants cuz that's not white tank top. Um, yeah. What? Tattoo show in. I'm like, "Oh, rolled up." Jordans. Jordans. Jordans. It was
01:09:46
NadiaJordans. It was Nikes. Yes. Kept it cute. Kept it cute. She would have. She would have. Not my sister. Um, but also it's just a matter of like uh everything and it goes back to um wanting that male presence in your
01:09:58
Nadialife to be that good example. So I'm like, "Okay, what would I uh a good man do? Walk on this side of the street, pay for the dinners, you know, somebody looks at you crazy, I'm just like, what's up? We got issues." You know what I mean? And again, sometimes that didn't
01:10:11
Lily Kateput me in the best positions in life. And um you know, but that's part of learning, right? You said something really interesting when you were saying I was pretending to be the masculine type. You said it was a trauma response.
01:10:22
NadiaYes. So you in your masculine energy that was a trauma response. Yes. Yes. Because um I saw it as again um when I was growing up as my sister explained like our father figure and stuff. Um I
01:10:34
Nadiafeel like love him, but uh there were a lot of things that I feel um he didn't protect us in ways that he had to. You know what I'm saying? And we didn't get the best version of him that we could have. So, in moments where I felt like I needed it the most when life is hard, high school, you know, you're going
01:10:48
Nadiathrough all these like life changes, I was just like, "All right, um, I'll just do what I think I need to do." And al, you know, there was a lot of that codependency in that relationship, too, because she kind of had a male figure that wasn't the best at the moment. And
01:11:00
Nadiawe're both trying to figure it out. But, yeah, I think that's really what it was. Not to say that it wasn't real. The feelings weren't real. I think it's just I wasn't being real to myself. It's really interesting though because feminism obviously pushes women in a
01:11:11
Lily Katemasculine direction. It argues that they should prioritize masculine things. But on the flip side of the coin, feminism also waits for a woman to be hurt by a
01:11:22
Lily Kateman. Then it jumps in the picture and promises everything. So a lot of times I'll go to colleges and I'll talk to these girls and I'll say, "We've all had bad experiences with men in our lives. Every single guys have had bad
01:11:33
Lily Kateexperiences with men, but feminism waits at your doorstep and promises you the world to heal you from that trauma. and it just seeps in at the wrong moment. And that's why I find feminism is so
01:11:45
Lily Katepredatory on women who may not have had good father figures or have had traumatic relationships or you know women who grew up with a development of an um attachment style trauma if they were had um an anxious attachment
01:11:57
Lily Katedevelop because they were abandoned or avoidant attachment develop because they were also probably abandoned. Um, a lot of times girls with trauma will end up as feminists and it's, you know, and
01:12:08
Jim Bobthen be presenting as masculine because it's literally a predatory ideology. Yeah. There's also um they used to study it more um they just coincidentally kind of stopped putting in the spotlight, but
01:12:20
Jim Boblike early uh abuse, emotional abuse, sexual abuse uh used to be studied with uh both uh men and women homosexuality and they just kind of like no I was born this way. they kind of skip that aspect
01:12:32
Jim Boband they're like, "No, I I'm going to just skip to I'm born this way." Which doesn't make any sense still to this day cuz can you imagine the doctor like raising the child and being like, "It's gay." It's like it doesn't make sense.
01:12:44
Jim BobUh there's a lot more to these stories and but because it's been sold as like I agree with you that that sort of reaction it's sold as empowerment. You're you're you're going to be a feminist and a lesbian and then they
01:12:56
Jim Bobjust jump right into the role. But um it's like that that's why I wanted to ask you um not that you could know this but if would you suspect there are other
01:13:06
Jim Bobwomen who went through kind of similar uh thing as you and they are essentially doing a kind of role playing not that you would confront them directly you know that might not go well but but can
01:13:19
Nadiayou tell can you you think you could tell oh 100% there's people that um either like I've worked with in the past um just um a friend of a friend And usually those people are the one that are telling me their life story
01:13:30
Nadiaimmediately. Um, and just through that, if you, you know, I'm a firm believer, all you got to do is listen to somebody for a few seconds to really get an understanding of who they are. And because I've been through it, um, they're talking and I'm just like, yeah. So, I would definitely say it's a thing,
01:13:42
Nadiayou know, just from what they say, um, how they act about certain things, even bringing certain things up could be touchy. They get defensive and I'm just like, yeah, that that's all trauma. Would you say that women who are
01:13:53
Nadiafeminine are also healed or healthy? Um, honestly, I would like to lean towards that because I would say I've been in relationships, whether it was male or female, that I just felt like I always
01:14:05
Nadiahad to be on guard. I had to be the lead and it was just it was too much. And I'm like, this is not natural. Um, then going into a relationship where I'm like, "Oh, like this is actually great. I like being able to just do my job and be a woman cuz like that's what I am."
01:14:18
TyenaAnd it just it is healing. So, I would definitely like to side with that. And yeah, so yeah. And like the trauma can put you like as a woman, it can put you like one of two ways. You either have that kind of response where you dabble
01:14:29
Tyenalike sexually with like the opposite sex or you're in the other category where you dabble sexually with the same sex, but now everybody gets it because you think that you're in your feminist
01:14:40
Tyenapower. You can just take control of your sexuality and give it to everybody. Like I I subscribed to that when I was younger and it didn't do anything for me. I had to like literally give my life back to Christ and like remember my
01:14:53
Jim Bobroots. That's one of the wor that's the one of the most egregious uh from the feminist ideology is like it takes what's leverage for women your sex your virginity your chastity um your virtue
01:15:05
Jim Boband it flips it and says no that is your power and and a Christian says yeah that's partly is your power um but it says give it away basically give it away like here you go like free and and again
01:15:17
Jim Bobthere's a long process here you go back to the 60s there's a dedicated movement toward uh psychedelic free love, concentrated effort to get that to happen. And lo and behold, just a
01:15:29
Jim Bobcouple, you know, decade or two later, the foundation of the home starts to wither away. And then women are like, I'm not having kids. Like, I'm not going to be a slave to the kitchen. Meanwhile,
01:15:40
Jim Bobif you just kind of it could be the case that the the truest form of feminism is being a homemaker. What What if that was a form of feminism? If you if you watched the debate yesterday, I asked
01:15:51
Jim BobOliver that. I said, "Is it possible that being a homemaker is is the best feminism?" Right? Could it be redefined as like the best expression of women? And he couldn't he couldn't combat it.
01:16:03
Jim BobIt just happens to be the case, like you said, that like there's this there's this like feminism produces a bunch of uh weak uh men impersonators. They're not even strong men impersonators.
01:16:15
Lily KateThey're weak men impersonators. And it's just not it's it's I think it's uh God willing, it's starting to fall apart now. The other silly thing that feminism does is it makes women hold two completely contradictory ideas in their
01:16:27
Lily Katemind at the same time. And specifically relating to how they view sex, it's either super casual and I relate to it the same way that a guy does and it doesn't affect me at all. Or on the other extreme, don't look at me the
01:16:40
Lily Katewrong way because you're a sexist. I'm going to take you to court. And so if someone and feminism is full of these, I'm writing a book right now called 100 Ways feminism is a failure. It's going to be good. It's going to be fun. Um, we're we go through a little bit of the
01:16:53
Lily Katehistory of feminism and uncover, you know, all the dirtiness because most people don't even know that the suffragette was like equivalent to BLM in the amount of damage that they did to society. Um, like physical arson,
01:17:04
Lily Katebombings, everything. Um, but we also go through every single major contradiction that feminism holds at the same time. Starting from I'm a woman, also there's
01:17:14
Lily Kateno definition of a woman. Sex is not important at all and totally casual. And also, I'm going to me to you at the first opportunity that I can. We go through a bunch of other stuff as well, but that's how feminism controls women.
01:17:26
Lily KateIt literally makes them crazy because you cannot have two separate ideas in your mind at the same time because you're going to be split between them and someone's just going to be able to come in and insert the whatever they think the truth is on you. Make sure to
01:17:39
Jim Bobmake sure to add in the book the early contradiction of the suffragettes uh physically and uh basically any way possible shutting down what was the majority of women coming out to say we
01:17:50
Jim Bobdon't want this. They're like no no no you can't you can't do a preliminary vote against uh your own vote. They like shut it down which is a contradiction. That's a huge part of it. And also you know what's funny? You have Rosie on
01:18:01
Lily Kateyour um your shirt and you know what's funny about Rosie? She worked for five or six days in the metal factory and then decided it was too hard, it was too dangerous and she left.
01:18:13
TyenaShe became a chist after that. And it's funny because you'll always see girls on Instagram, like feminist girls talking about, oh, I don't want a simp. I don't want a guy that's just going to like submit to everything I say. But then in the same tone, they're like, I don't I
01:18:25
Brian Atlaswill not submit. I will not. Like, what do you want then? You don't even know what. Speaking of submission, speaking of submission, I have a video I want to
01:18:33
Brian Atlasshow you guys. Uh this is uh a video of I took of my uh we're broken up
01:18:44
Brian Atlasex-girlfriend. This is my expectation in a relationship. Go ahead and uh play it. All right. So uh boom. She's got to bow.
01:18:56
Brian AtlasOkay. She's got to bow. She picked something up, too, right? Oh, I threw my slippers off. Okay. And I got, you know, I It was a long long podcast. I get home. She's got my
01:19:08
Brian Atlasfood ready. She's got my food ready. She gets me the beer. As she should. This is my expectation. Uh I had to scold her. Those tomatoes
01:19:20
Brian Atlasare disgusting. I don't know why she did that. And then get ready to play it again. Play it again. Just the beginning part. Pause it. You see the bow? You see
01:19:30
Brian Atlashow deep the bow is? Do you see the I have a question. Would a curtsy work for you? No. I I mean kind of masculine. If you
01:19:41
Brian Atlaswant to No, it's If you want to curtsy, I'll accept it. But going around the table, would you bow for your boyfriend?
01:19:52
Lily KateI would curtsy. Hilarious. You would? No. But he says, "I want you to bow." Yes, I would. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Okay, we'll come back to that. What about you?
01:20:04
Lily KateI'd have to ask why cuz that's not a Western European culture thing, but I'd probably curtsy as a former ballerina.
01:20:13
Lily (UCSB)Also, I will ask for why the reason. Wait, you'll ask for why? Yeah. For for
01:20:20
Brian Atlaswhat? For what? Yes. Do they uh do they um here we'll do uh do they bow? Is there
01:20:31
Brian Atlasis there bowing in China? No. No. Definitely not. No bow. Korea. It's Korea. They they definitely bow to older older generations. But in China they don't bow. No. No. No. Not at all.
01:20:42
Lily (UCSB)There's no bow. No bowing. No bowing. No. Not in China. No. What about in like certain parts of China? Uh no. No. Definitely not. Maybe maybe in Asian
01:20:54
Savannah Craven-Entalthey will do that. Okay. Yeah. All right. But not now. Like just bow to him just to show respect. Yeah. Like Okay. Here's I don't see what's I mean he gets Okay.
01:21:06
TyenaI mean, yeah. Like if that makes him feel good, like why not? What about you? No. Yeah. You wouldn't do it. No, I won't. Damn, that's crazy. Okay. All right. What about you? I'm going to flip and say let's bow to God together
01:21:19
Jim Bobinstead. Yeah, that feels better. I'm going to say no. Yeah. Uh so would he bow though or no? What if he bows to God and you're behind
01:21:31
Savannah Craven-Entalhim and you bow? That makes more sense. Yeah. But like I don't know. That was uncomfortable. I think it's funny. Like my husband and I joke all the time. It would be funny. I'd be like, "Okay." Yeah. He wouldn't
01:21:43
Tyenaask me seriously. Like he he would find that weird. Right. Yeah. That was funny. That was a good, you know, comment. Yeah, but would you?
01:21:57
TyenaUh, I really got to think about this cuz I'll submit to my man, but like bowing. Yes, bowing. I know. I get it. I'm just I don't know. I'm torn. Like,
01:22:08
TyenaI'm not trolling. Can you come back or can I just like It's really deep. He's got to think about it. Wait, what did you say? Cuz I'll make him a sandwich. Said it, you know. Would you bow when you're while you're
01:22:21
TyenaYou are kind of bowing when you're making a sandwich. It's a long bow. I mean, if you're at the tableing him, I mean, yeah, I'm bending over to serve him at the table to get everything. So, count that. Yeah, count that. No, he
01:22:31
Brian Atlasspecifically wants a bow at the door with the slippers. I'll bring his slippers to the door. I'm not bowing at the door, but I'll totally bring his slippers to the door. I thought you were submissive. I thought you were submissive.
01:22:44
TyenaI know, but I'm not a slave. Like that's when the things start getting complicated. Like why would that make you a slave? I also just don't like feet. Wait, what? My man knows like we we talk about this all the time. What does that have to do
01:22:57
Brian Atlaswith the bow? No, he said put his slippers on his feet. That's why. Okay, just stick to this. Okay, you don't touch your man's feet. The bow for guys guys. Sorry. Y'all are all y'all are all over the place. That's a great moment.
01:23:09
CallieGet the feet [ __ ] out of here. Forget this. Forget the feet [ __ ] Would you hit the bow? You you said boyfriend, so I would definitely say absolutely not. My
01:23:20
Calliehusband husband. Yes. But then you relationship asking that, right? For he wants a demonstration of
01:23:30
Brian Atlasrespect because he feels like he hasn't been getting it from you lately. What have you done? My husband would never ask that. That's right. Hold on. What question for you? Uh, if you didn't have
01:23:43
Calliebreakfast this morning, how would you feel? Me? Me? Yeah. If I didn't have breakfast this morning, how would you feel? Yeah. If I didn't have breakfast this morning, how would I feel? Do you want me to repeat it again? Yes. I mean, why are
01:23:56
CallieI'm just wondering why you're asking that question. Just answer the question. She hasn't been online. I'd probably feel hungry. Okay, we'll accept it. It's It's to test if you can engage with a hypothetical.
01:24:09
Brian AtlasOh, okay. Gotcha. So, if you were to say, "But I did have breakfast this morning." It means you can't engage with a Okay. Okay. But I Yeah. So, I get that your boyfriend or uh Wait, no, you're
01:24:22
Calliemarried, right? Yeah. I get your husband, he would never ask this, but like if he did, would you? I would probably laugh and do it, right? That would be cuz he would he would probably be asking because he's trying to be
01:24:35
Nadiafunny or something. I don't know. What about you? Oh, I'm like, okay. cuz I'm like a little I like jokey jokes. Um Jok I feel like if he said that and laughed I would do it. But if he was being so serious looked me in my eye and
01:24:48
Jim Bobwas like I need you to bow. Yeah, I would still laugh. No, thank you. Wait wait wait. I have a I have a follow-up question for you. Back when you were a role playing as a
01:24:58
Jim Bobman. If you asked your girlfriend at the time to bow for you and you did you said in a low voice like you used to do like low like
01:25:07
Nadialike would would she do it? Um the type of woman that she was um it was almost the same like she would she would do it would laugh but um wouldn't she wouldn't
01:25:19
Tyenatake offense. She would do it and laugh. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I think the way you ask is really the way I deliver. Not tell us how you like the way he would ask like if Oh, I just show her the
01:25:30
Brian Atlasvideo. Oh. Oh, this is what I want. Okay. Wait, do that. So, my man showed me the video and was like, "Do this." No, thank you. Look, I think I think
01:25:40
Brian Atlasit's uh I think it's a playful thing, especially in the context of like a more like a western culture. Uh it I don't think you'd nec well it could be a a serious thing but
01:25:53
Tyenacuz some of those things like you know I mean we're Latina women we were raised like you feed your man when he comes home like all of that. So in in reality like we do do that just not as
01:26:02
Lily Katefrantically but you know we serve him when he comes frantic ads but if he needs if he needs a physical sign of your submission doesn't that mean he's like super low IQ and can't
01:26:15
Lily Katesee the other things that you're doing and offering to him? I mean, if he if you're making him food and he's like of what? Uh, you said a sign of your
01:26:26
Lily Katesubmission. Like, what would be a an example? Well, like if he were to make a decision and you maybe disagreed with it, then the woman would yield to that and say, you know, I may disagree, but I I respect your headship of the house and
01:26:39
Brian AtlasI'm going to allow you, you know, or not allow you, that's so bad, but like I'm going to yield to your leadership here. But but the idea here is that the bow is completely pointless really. Like it it
01:26:50
Lily Katedoesn't serve any purpose, but she's willing to do it regardless. Yeah, I'd be willing to Yeah. curtsy cuz it's a lot more feminine to do that. But um I don't know. I just Yeah, it's kind of silly. I do. I have a question. What if
01:27:03
Jim Bobevery time not that there's a lot of times this happens, but like um every time um you did yield to him where you kind of disagreed and you yielded anyway. if only at that point did you do
01:27:14
Jim Boba a curtsy? Like only in that instance every time like it was like it was like a custom. It was like a tradition in the home where it was like, "Okay, um I don't agree with you. I'm yielding.
01:27:25
Jim BobYou're the man of the house. I I gave you my opinion, but you're the leader." And then and then you go, "Yeah, I mean, sure. For sure." Um I would also totally do it at the front of
01:27:37
Jim Bobthe door if he came home, you know, cuz it brings up a bigger bigger question. um just about general cultural traditions that America really has none. You know, we have fast food and
01:27:48
Jim Bobconsumerism is our new tradition. But when you look at I think the bowing thing is be becomes so contentious is because especially I think in the west uh you associate it with worship and it
01:28:00
Jim Bobmakes sense cuz every visual you've ever seen of bowing meets worship but bowing could mean veneration respect and it's just interesting to watch uh people generally in this uh generation they have like a visceral reaction to it. you
01:28:13
Tyenahad a visceral because it's like you almost like a trauma response. You tap back into those old feminine ways like those old feminine mindset. I don't mean like technical. I'm see I'm saying like
01:28:21
Tyenathe the knee-jerk reaction rather would be Yeah. similar to her trauma response. I'm saying it's similar to her trauma response. The way she responds that would be like my knee-jerk reaction to
01:28:33
Tyenalike what because you know you you associate that with like slavery and all these like horrible things. But I'm saying what you would normally associate with it because of the way society pushes you to think and pushes you in this box. But if it's coming from like a
01:28:45
Brian Atlasjust, you know, the more like respectful or whatever way you just put it, that would make more sense to me, you know, like Yeah. Okay. So, just a recap here. Show of hands. Who will do the bow? Who
01:28:57
Brian Atlaswon't? Uh, show of hands if you will do the bow. Yes. Yes. I guess that So, wait. No. No. No. No. No. If it's a boyfriend, no. Okay. Okay. So, for those of you who said, "Wait, sorry. If it
01:29:10
CallieWhat you said?" Boyfriend. Yeah. Boyfriend. Okay. Oh, that's an interesting Okay, I can go that route. Bees in the chat. If you're going to bow, bees in the chat. So, you uh And I will say in reality, like cuz I've been
01:29:22
Calliemarried for a while, most men when they get home, they want food. So, they're not going to ask for you to bow to them, right? You know, you're going to want to have food for them when they get home from a long day. So, like for example, she's she's been in a relationship for 3
01:29:34
Callieyears. Do you think yes to the husband, but no if it's a boyfriend? Well, I haven't dated I've never dated that long. Like my husband is the longest man I've dated, so I don't know her. Well, would you do it for your husband or No.
01:29:47
CallieYeah, probably. But he would just I mean, he wouldn't ask that, but I would laugh and do it. She'd laugh and do it. Okay. I would think he was being funny. So, those of you who said no to the bow,
01:29:58
Brian Atlasuh, who those of you do you want a man to open your car door? Like, say he's picking you up for a date, do you want him to open the car door for you? Can I
01:30:09
Calliesay something? I would want him to want to open the car door for me. Does that make sense? Like, if he feels pressured that he has to open the car door, then I don't want him to open the car door for
01:30:20
Nadiame. But I would want him to want to do that. Okay, you want Okay, that's a yes. What about you? Um, I honestly don't care if he opens the car door for me. I know that can
01:30:31
Tyenaraise some eyebrows, but um it doesn't bother me. What about you? Um, I mean, I would like it. It would be nice, but it's not a make or break. And wait, are you Yes. on the bow.
01:30:41
Brian AtlasWere you in I think now I am. It was no no. Only for my man though. Okay. But um Yeah. Do you want a guy to do like those
01:30:50
Roxy (Beijing)gestures? open the car door for you. Um, I don't care about this. You don't care? Okay. Yeah, definitely. Yes. Yes, you want it. What about you?
01:31:02
Brian Atlas50/50. Okay. You half want it? It's It's not like a requirement.
01:31:11
Brian AtlasOkay. Um, how about this? You know, uh, walking down the sidewalk, the man walks. That's you want the man to be
01:31:20
Brian Atlaswalking closer to where the cars are. Do you want that? Yes. Do you want that? Or maybe I don't know if this is a thing in China at all. Maybe it doesn't matter.
01:31:30
Brian AtlasYeah. Oh, do you understand? Um I I didn't hear. Oh, yeah. So, uh I don't know if this is something that uh is the case in
01:31:40
Brian AtlasChina, but uh it is considered uh a nice gesture or chivalry when walking uh say there's the street with cars,
01:31:50
Brian Atlasyou're walking down the sidewalk, the man would be closer to the the road. Oh. Oh, I I don't I don't care. Okay. You guys over here? Yeah. It's not make
01:32:02
Tyenaor break, but I would like it. You'd like it? Okay. My husband did. Oh, wait. Actually, I'm sorry. I was still thinking about the car door. My man never lets me walk on the side near the cars, by the way. He never Yeah. Okay.
01:32:13
TyenaYeah, you got me. Okay, that one. Yes, sir. I especially in New York cuz people like abduct people in the street. So many crazy things happen. They punch you in the street. No, not Oh my god. Don't
01:32:24
Tyenaroll your eyes because in New York that thing is very common. You maybe not out here, but too many things happen in abducted. It doesn't even have to be abducted. a car could run onto the sidewalk, which happens all the time in
01:32:36
Brian AtlasNew York City. Like, anything could happen. So, my man always walks on the side of the street. Um, okay. And then final question. Uh, let's see. Open
01:32:47
Brian Atlasdoors. Uh, what about like paying for first dates? You want a guy to pay for first dates? Yes. Yes. Mhm.
01:32:59
Brian AtlasYeah. Actually, one more. I'll do one more. Uh, do you think should a man be willing should your boyfriend be willing to
01:33:08
Christina Jonesboyfriend or husband willing to take a bullet for you? I think you should be willing to take a bullet for each other. Okay.
01:33:19
CallieThe same to each other. Each other. Okay. If he's not, you're with the wrong guy. Yeah. Yeah. And that's that sacrificial love. So, and protection. So, yes.
01:33:30
Brian AtlasYeah. Same 100%. Okay. So, I ask all these questions because especially the walking closer to the uh street
01:33:41
Brian Atlasone. Y'all won't do a bow, but you want a guy to put himself
01:33:49
Brian Atlasin danger. You want a guy to potentially be closer so in the event of a car, he gets run over and paralyzed, but you
01:34:00
Brian Atlaswon't hit a bow. I'm sorry. The expectation on on me as a man is you have to be willing to die for me. You better hit a bow. Like that's crazy, you know? That's why I kind of changed my
01:34:14
Savannah Craven-Entalmind cuz when you put it into perspective, it is really like a small ask for like such a Oh, it's so small. Yeah, it's so small. I went to musical theater school. We bowed all the time to like people that hate us that are like
01:34:26
Brian Atlasas long as it's like I mean it's different. But the push back though on the like well maybe for your husband but boyfriends but it's like well you would have expectations even maybe on a first date you want the guy to pay for the
01:34:38
Brian Atlasfirst date. You'd want him to maybe open your car door. You'd still even on a first date want him to walk uh closer to the road. So you're talking about more like honor in a sense.
01:34:49
Jim Boblike, you know, I mean, that's what I see. Well, it's like a it's like an obligation in a sense to for a man to protect the woman and if that's embedded in them, they're not going to have a problem. But, uh, Brian makes a good
01:35:02
Jim Bobpoint like you said, you want someone to pay for your first date, right? So, what kind of date would it have to be uh for him in exchange for paying just ask you
01:35:12
Jim Bobto bow after the dinner to him after he signs the check? He's like, "Oh, big tip, too. Would you bow for an expensive dinner? No, cuz I can buy my own
01:35:22
Jim Bobexpensive dinner. Oh, so then Okay. So, but the reason you want him to pay for the first dinner is what is why
01:35:33
Jim BobI just think it's more traditional. I mean, I guess like you like the tradition of that like
01:35:42
Christina Jonesthat it's like a the man is I used to I used to not uh I used to pay for my own but I actually did change my mind on that. Yeah, cuz I I'm not like
01:35:53
Christina JonesI'm not feminist but I'm I'm right in the middle of all these topics. Yeah. I'm very independent and I think my story Are you an independent boss babe?
01:36:04
Jim BobI am. Yeah. You seem like you're you're in a I don't mean this like insulting that you're like in a survivor kind of mode person. Yep. Where you're like
01:36:15
Jim Bobyou're like I'm not going to expect anything from a man based on everything that I know from your experience. And so why not train myself to exist without
01:36:24
Jim Bobthat and if I get into the situation uh case in point you haven't been dating for a long time or whatever. If you get into the situation, it you might become sort of dependent on the man and resort
01:36:37
Jim Bobback to that traditional thing and maybe get like burned from it. Is that does that is that accurate? Yes. So that you're like you're like this builtup armor chick and then like if you get
01:36:51
Jim Bobinto a situation where let's say you fall in love with a man and it ends up being a sort of um traditional setting and you end up liking it, you're going to fight it all the way, right?
01:37:03
Christina JonesYeah, this is interesting you bring this up. I just had this conversation this morning. Um, yeah, pretty pretty much. I feel
01:37:15
Christina Joneslike I I've only the guy that I was with for 3 years, we lived together. When we split up, he took care of everything. I was going to school. He was paying for everything. He ended up cheating when I
01:37:27
Christina Jonesfound out I left, but I was homeless. I didn't have my own money. I made a vow from that point forward. I would never depend on a man. And I never have. I've never depended on anybody. Parents, nothing. I'm completely
01:37:39
Christina Jonesself-made. So, you know, when we're talking about bowing, I think a lot of times with modern dating, a lot of men um have
01:37:51
Christina Jonestaken on a feminine role. So, if we're talking about if we're talking about the Bible and marriage, there's different there's different types of marriages
01:38:01
Christina Joneslike you said, you you spoke it well. So, if a man is to protect and provide and he is serving
01:38:11
Christina JonesGod, that's different. I'm not coming home to bow to you when I made just as much money or more money at my job.
01:38:21
Jim BobNo, I mean that's fair enough point. If there's no context for the hierarchy, like if it's not reflective of something, you're just getting sort of like a a tough guy red pillar. Not to not to throw shade at red pillars, but
01:38:34
Jim Bobthey're descriptively right about the situation. It's just that the expectation for men who want to be this masculine role, but they don't actually have a foundation for their tradition. Then why would you
01:38:46
Brian Atlassubmit anyway? Wait, I actually have push back on this though. So I mean uh you're saying okay well if the guy you guys are making the same amount why would you submit even if you're making the same amount though you're going to
01:38:58
Brian Atlashave onedirectional uh traditional expectations of him regardless of the amount that's made. So for example you probably want a guy who's a leader who takes initiative and
01:39:09
Brian Atlaswho will protect you. And so a guy can do all of these even if you guys are making the same amount of money or even if you are making more than him.
01:39:20
CallieIsn't that kind of like when it comes to men like masculine men isn't that naturally what they want to do anyways? Just like females they naturally want to do certain things. Don't men naturally want they expect whether they want to or
01:39:32
Jim Bobnot. Brian's saying and I think just to get clarity on you. Are you saying you don't expect you don't expect men to do anything for you? I'm a little bit of a different case.
01:39:43
Christina JonesUm, the only relationships I've been in were not good ones. So, I don't have I've never been with a great man that was a leader that I could trust, that I
01:39:53
Christina Jonesfelt safe with. That's not my story. So, um, you know, and especially I just had my 40th birthday, so I'm thinking a lot about these things like
01:40:06
Christina Jonesthe kid thing. Obviously, I'm running out of time. I don't want a kid for the sake of having a kid, but I could if I found the right man that I'd want to have a family with. But my experiences
01:40:17
Jim Bobwith men are very negative. So, I automatically have trauma responses come out. What's the likelihood that the right man who wants to settle down and
01:40:28
Jim Bobhas uh want to have kids with you holds a traditional uh system of thinking and we'll expect that played out in the in the relationship? What are the chances that that's the
01:40:40
Jim Bobkind of man that would choose me? Uh, not choose you, but like if there was a man out there who is likely going to want children and and a family, isn't it
01:40:49
Jim Bobmore likely that they're going to hold a traditional mindset, right? So that's why Brian's asking like you have you pick and choose where you want the tradition to come in like chivalry
01:41:02
Jim Boband paying for dinner and and we're asking well what's the what's the tradeoff if you're not uh what's equal to that for the woman I get what you're saying from that from that view. So just
01:41:13
Christina Jonesrecently um I went on a few dates with a Nigerian man and very traditional but his his idea
01:41:23
Christina Jonesdo you know the way sorry go ahead his you're like it sound just like him
01:41:30
Christina Jonesyou're like city do you know the way so the I think the problem is a lot of men mistake tradition with power and
01:41:42
Christina Jonesthey mistake money for power. So, a lot of times men will if they're taking care of you financially or whatever, like this was a conversation I had on the date with him that I would never have to
01:41:55
Christina Jonesdo anything, he would take care of everything. But if I wanted to go out with my friends on a Friday night and he said he didn't want me to, that I just can't go and I can't ask him questions.
01:42:05
Christina JonesI'm not the type to be controlled. W Good for him. controlled. Why is it controlling? Cuz you're telling me what to do. And you're you're not married to him.
01:42:18
Brian AtlasSo, not for me. There's no commitment. Even if there is there's no marriage commitment or contract. Well, yeah. Obviously, if you're not married, there's no marriage commitment, right? Well, you can still be committed to
01:42:30
Calliesomebody and be in a relationship with them. What? Well, in coming from a Christian standpoint, there is no commitment. Okay. situation. You uh you said you've been married for 18 years. Mhm. Okay. And how long were you before
01:42:43
Brian Atlasyou got married? How long were you dating him? 2 years. Okay. So, if you slept with somebody else during that 2-year period, it wouldn't have been cheating because there wasn't commitment. No, it would have been. But I thought that Hold on. But you just
01:42:56
Calliesaid there there can't be commitment absent marriage. Well, you were speaking of her situation. She was not married to Right. you you you weren't married to him,
01:43:07
Calliebut so well marriage it between a is a between a man and a woman and that's a commitment. That's what I was referring
01:43:15
Callieto. And so if she's not committed to her partner, then it's it's almost like confusing, you know, and like she should she's her own person in a sense. So
01:43:28
Brian AtlasOkay. So like anybody who's in a relationship but they're not married, they can just sleep with other people then. That's pretty much what they do. But there's also a difference when they're married. People are in relationships all the time and they're No, that's not happening. No. But
01:43:41
Tyenathere's also a difference between being in a relationship and dating while like courting somebody like in that situation where you're saying, you know, you go out on a date with a guy or whatever. He's courting you. He's showing you the value that you would have as his wife.
01:43:54
TyenaHe's showing you like in other ways like that he will take care of you. like these are you make the face but these are traditional things like it's true like he's courting so
01:44:06
Brian AtlasI want to ask you but okay it's this all stemmed from you were dating this guy how long were you dating him the Nigerian man we went on like three dates
01:44:17
Christina Jonesoh I was I was thinking y'all were cohabiting yeah might be a little soon I I was I was asking questions like this from jump wow I don't I don't guys
01:44:29
Lily Katedon't usually last long with me cuz I I figure out who people are very quickly. Do you think it's a possibility that a good man could love you well enough to where you'd put your guard down and allow him? Yes. What would he have to do
01:44:41
Lily Kateto showcase that he is loving, trustworthy, etc. to make you put your guard down? Consistency. That is the number one. When people ask me all the time, why are you still
01:44:51
Christina Jonessingle? Why are you still single? I have not found a man that I am also interested in that has been consistent. So if you mean what do you mean
01:45:02
Christina Jonesconsistent consistent consistently show up consistently text me consistently plan dates consistently be a good person consistently have integrity consistency
01:45:13
Christina Jonesconsistently show up as the same person day in and day out. Are you consistent in how you show up for a partner? Very much. How so? Well, I haven't had a partner. Well, like when you did have a
01:45:24
Brian Atlaspartner. I I can't answer that because I wasn't sober. I haven't been in a relationship since I've been sober. Wait. Oh, okay. You said you did date a guy for 3 years, but I wasn't sober.
01:45:34
TyenaThat was before I got clean. What? What? Uh what was your poison? Uh alcohol and drugs. Opiates. Opiates. Okay. What do you I mean everything, but if I had to choose. Do
01:45:48
Tyenayou feel like the area you live in also contributes to like the dating pool? Like I know you said you lived in Hollywood and like if from what I hear like it's hard to date in Hollywood. Well, I'm also from Fondelac, Wisconsin.
01:45:58
Christina JonesThat's a town of 30,000 people. So then I moved to Milwaukee, Wisconsin. That's bigger but also very segregated. That was a big reason why I left.
01:46:13
Christina JonesSo, I have not been in Yes. I have not necessarily been in
01:46:20
Savannah Craven-Entalpositions to find great men to date. Maybe you should go to another country. I mean, I'm just telling you like the
01:46:32
Savannah Craven-Entaltraditional like there is no traditionalism here. Like guys are so feminine. They I mean even if they make a lot of money they still feel like the woman should contribute just as much
01:46:42
Savannah Craven-Entalfinancially. 100% agree and but also like do all the%. And so like yeah I tell people like my friends who are like you know girl I just like cannot find someone even at like these conservative events that we go to. I'm like girl
01:46:54
Calliemaybe try going out of the country. It's not that priority. It's not that much of a priority for me. Okay. Where are you? Where are you like finding like where
01:47:04
Brian Atlasdid you find your past boyfriends? Like how'd you meet them? She had she had one, right? And no, I had four serious relationships. But you were on
01:47:14
Christina Jonesmeth or wait, what was it? I was not on meth. Oh my god. What are what's opiates? Is like heroin, oxycottton, downers. Yeah, downers. Are those worse
01:47:25
Christina Jonesthan meth? I mean, hey, they're two totally different things. or wait worse in different ways will do meth will have longer term psychosis but opiates have a
01:47:36
Brian Atlasgreater risk of killing you got it okay you could die from withdrawals of alcohol and heroin so look I want to bring it back I want to I want to bring it to this you can't bring it back to
01:47:47
Brian Atlasthe bullet thing me and Jim Bob probably disagree on this but uh should men be willing to sacrifice their life for their girlfriend or wife yeah I don't think No, I don't think they should do
01:47:59
Brian Atlasit. Anyone disagree? You don't think so? No. Why? Why wouldn't you? Oh, there's plenty of reasons. So, let's say in the
01:48:09
Brian Atlasexample she has we have kids together. Well, I'mma be better suited to financially provide for the kids. And then uh what's the other
01:48:20
Brian Atlasreason? Oh, like single dads are better so than single moms. Do you think you'll find a wife with that kind of mind state? Why? Why would
01:48:30
Savannah Craven-Entalthat if that's even your goal? Right. If that's even your goal, right? That comes first. But like if you were in a situation where you knew like like if you put yourself in front of your wife
01:48:41
Brian Atlasthat you were going to block her from being hurt or I would I would use her as a shield, a meat shield. I Well, this is No, I can't believe that. So this is
01:48:52
Jim Boblike the feminine man. This assume this assumes you know the outcome though. So like the question ends up being um is there anyone any relationship you'd be willing to risk
01:49:04
Jim Bobthat you might get hurt or even death, but you don't know you're going to that you would actually take the risk. It it could be even saving someone's life and not in a situation where you're even getting shot like uh swimming out uh you
01:49:16
Brian Atlasknow 50 yards to save someone. Yeah. Brian, would you do it for your mother? Uh, would I do it for my mother? I would
01:49:25
Brian AtlasI'd be more likely to do it for my mother than my uh my girlfriend or wife. I called her a flesh of meat.
01:49:36
Brian AtlasWould your dad have felt that way about your mom? Specific. Oh, my dad my dad would probably take the bullet. But, uh, I just Why are we so I just weird like
01:49:46
Brian Atlaswhy why should men sacrifice their life for women? Why? an actual argument for why. Okay. I I I will after this question is it so what's the order for
01:49:56
Brian Atlasyou like wife, mom, kids? Uh it's probably like children, children, parents, wife. Oh wow. Because you think should it be should it
01:50:08
Brian Atlasbe wife children? Children. I feel like it should be wife, children, mom. No, it should be children. So you sacrifice your life for it should be children.
01:50:18
Savannah Craven-Entalshould be wife or sorry children. You had it right. Sorry. No. Children, mom or dad? Wife. So your wife is on the bottom. The the woman that you decided
01:50:29
Savannah Craven-Entalto like dedicate your life to that will be there longer than your mom will. God willing. Right. The the woman who gave you your children. Is it safe to assume that you're
01:50:39
Savannah Craven-Entalnot right? Listen. I'm a family guy. I got a lot of my my mom and dad. Your wife is your family. So when you get married, you're your your mom and dad are no longer your immediate family.
01:50:50
TyenaIt's your it's your wife and your kids. Yeah, I understand that. But uh Oh, what the [ __ ] is going on? And it's wife and kids cuz your kids will grow up
01:51:00
Brian Atlasand have their own lives, you know. Okay, it's that. No, it's the Hold on. GH5R. Yeah, you got to leave that up. Okay. Um All right. Sorry. What were you saying?
01:51:14
Savannah Craven-EntalSo, like when you get married, your parents and like your brother and sister are no longer your immediate family. It's you're you've created your own. Yeah, I can just get another wife.