FERAL Feminist RAGE QUITS?! Andrew Wilson HEATED DEBATE! House Of The Strumpet! | Dating Talk #170
Date: 2024-06-17
Duration: 8h 37m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_02Lauren Roses(guest)
SPEAKER_03Lauren Roses (mixed)(guest)
SPEAKER_04Allison(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Abigail(guest)
SPEAKER_08Grace(guest)
SPEAKER_09Paloma(guest)
SPEAKER_10Kay(guest)
SPEAKER_11Lilian(guest)
SPEAKER_12Josie(guest)
SPEAKER_14Lauren Roses (mixed)(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:39
IntroKay introduces herself: 27yo, Indiana, OnlyFans.
“my name is Kay I am 27 and I am from Indiana and I do only fans”
00:04:37
IntroLauren Roses introduces herself: 31yo, cortisean at Moonlight Bunny Ranch, Tantra/hypnotherapy.
“I am a student and I um I am a cortisen at the moonlight bunny ranch my name is Lauren roses”
00:09:34
IntroLilian introduces herself: 19yo, student/music producer. Mentions she had a funeral this morning.
“my name is Lilian I'm 19 and my occupation I guess I'm a student and a music producer”
00:10:31
QuoteLilian reveals she attended her friend's funeral the morning of the show. Friend (musician, 20s) died the previous day.
“I had a funeral this morning for my very good friend may he rest in peace”
00:13:47
IntroJosie introduces herself: 25yo, singer/songwriter/model from Wisconsin, lives in LA.
“my name's Josie... I'm an artist a hustler um singer song writer model... I'm 25”
00:14:29
IntroGrace introduces herself: 18yo, sociology/psychology at UCSB.
“my name is Grace I'm 18 I'm studying sociology at UCSB right now”
00:14:52
IntroAllison introduces herself: 30yo, tech company, grew up Wisconsin, lives Texas.
“my name's Allison I'm 30 and I work for a technology company”
00:15:14
IntroAbigail introduces herself: 20yo, leasing agent, coaches boys gymnastics.
“I'm Abigail I'm 20 and I'm a leasing agent and occasionally I coach boys gymnastics”
01:03:52
QuoteJosie says she wants man to pay all her bills (~$3000+/month). Brings 'my pretty self' to the table.
“my R 2500 my my car payment like 300 uh um... my phone bill is like 200... if you can't do that I don't need to waste my time”
01:05:58
QuoteJosie states her contribution to a relationship: 'my pretty self'.
“my pretty self that's what I bring I know that's right and I'm pretty so”
01:13:02
ControversyBrian calls panel one of the most 'feral' he's had. Paloma pushes back strongly.
“this is one of the most [feral] panels... these two girls are 2 hours late my friend died”
02:00:32
IntroAndrew Wilson joins via call-in. Greets panel. Happy Father's Day message.
“hello everybody how are you doing hey my name is Andrew Wilson”
04:19:30
OtherPaloma rage quits after refusing to answer feminist identity question. Leaves show at ~4:27.
“I'm actually going to go but you guys have a great night... not a rage quit it's a rage quit”
04:36:20
QuoteJosie rates herself 10/10/10 face/body/total. Says 'I think I may be perfect'.
“10 all the way around 10 yeah... I think I may be perfect”
04:51:30
QuoteJosie's BBL backstory: intentionally gained ~20 lbs to harvest fat for BBL. Paid for it herself.
“I was really skinny I actually had to gain weight I had to gain like 20 PBS to get the procedure”
06:16:47
QuoteLauren Roses reveals body count is approximately 1,100 over 10 years of courtesan work.
“I have 1,100 that's I think more than last time cuz I cuz I yeah... I've been doing this for 10 years”
Topics Discussed
00:00:14
Intro & housekeeping
Brian's show intro: announcements, TTS rates, merch, Twitch plug, disclaimer. Notes late start due to no-shows.
00:03:39
Guest introductions
Panel members introduce name/age/location/occupation in order: Kay, Paloma, Lauren Roses, Lilian (mentions friend's funeral), Josie, Grace, Allison, Abigail. Andrew Wilson announced as joining later.
00:11:11
Lilian's friend's funeral
Discussion about Lilian attending a friend's (young musician, 20s) funeral the same morning. Brian skeptical of same-day funeral (unusual); Lilian explains friend had no family present at informal gathering.
00:16:00
Relationship status round
Each guest describes their relationship status, longest relationship, and recent dating history. Includes Paloma's situationship, Lauren's courtesan work as 'relationships', Josie's divorce and son, Abigail's marriage.
01:03:00
Josie's financial requirements for men
Josie itemizes ~$3000+/month in bills she expects a partner to pay. Says she brings 'my pretty self' to the table. Abigail and Brian challenge the logic.
01:05:00
Modern dating & social media discussion
Guests discuss how social media and OnlyFans have changed dating. Lauren on media training for entertainers. Lilian and Allison on pornography effects on young minds.
01:16:11
'Feral' comment and panel tension
Brian calls this 'one of the most feral panels' he's had. Paloma objects, accuses Brian of interrogating Lilian's friend's death. Heightened tension between Paloma and Brian.
02:00:32
Andrew Wilson joins (call-in)
Andrew Wilson joins via Callin app for Father's Day. Introduces himself to panel. Notes it's been hectic show from what he heard.
02:08:20
Man vs. bear question
Chat donation prompts 'man vs bear in the woods' discussion. Guests debate whether they'd rather encounter a strange man or a bear alone in the woods. Various takes; Lauren and Allison provide nuanced responses.
03:00:00
Gender roles and feminism debate
Andrew Wilson leads debate asking each guest if they identify as feminist (using charitable definition: rejection of patriarchy for equality). Allison strongly anti-feminist (Christian complementarian). Josie non-committal. Others mixed.
04:16:50
Paloma rage quit
Paloma walks off show at ~4:27 after refusing to answer feminist identity question. Says she's 'not obligated to argue.' Brian and Andrew confirm it's a rage quit.
04:20:00
Biblical canon debate
Josie mentions Book of Enoch. Andrew Wilson and Allison debate which books belong in the Bible, Protestant vs. Orthodox canons, whether God has sovereignty over scripture selection.
04:36:20
Ratings round
Guests rate themselves on face/body/total (1-10 scale, no 7s allowed). Josie goes first: 10/10/10. Lilian: 8/6. Grace: 6/7.5/6. Allison: 6/7.5/6. Abigail: 8/6/6. Also round of 'prettiest in room' votes.
05:00:00
Breast implant discussion
Lilian says she wants breast implants despite having 32D. Josie discusses her BBL and implants. Allison regrets her breast augmentation pre-Christianity. Grace and Brian push back on body modification.
06:16:20
Body count round
Going around the table: Lauren reveals 1,100 over 10 years. Grace ~2. Allison single digits. Grace's 'under 20' caveat. Andrew Wilson reaction to 1,100.
06:20:00
Racism and can minorities be racist
Discussion of whether only white people can be racist vs. anyone can be racist. Josie takes 'only white people' position. Brian and Andrew challenge this.
07:08:00
Bumble swiping segment
Guests swipe through Bumble profiles. Lilian and Grace shown profiles; mostly rejected. Lauren also participates. Age preferences discussed (Lilian: 19-23; Grace: 18-21).
08:27:00
Show wrap-up
Brian thanks Andrew Wilson for ~6 hours of debate. Raid to Andrew Wilson's channel for 100K subscriber push.
Transcript
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04:44:25
Allisonwhy do you need one at all can you can you each make your final statements on this go ahead yeah I'm not sure yeah I just want to know why do you need one at all if you're just going to come to the truth anyway I think that that's not what we
04:44:37
Andrew Wilsonwere talking about I'm just saying that I believe the Bible that's my question to you my question to you is this question why do you even need it at all if you're just going to come to the truth anyway you you don't you really don't you don't have to have a Bible
04:44:50
Allisoneveryone knows that God exists the moral law is written on their hearts and God tells us so God is Manifest within you people Bible huh so you don't need the Bible I'm just saying you don't need the
04:45:02
AllisonBible to know that God is real it tells us that in the Book of Romans chapter 1 so what's the Bible for if you want to get to know God's nature and character and to get closer to him because if you love God why would you not want to get
04:45:14
Allisonto know him through his word that he left here on Earth for us final point from the both of you that's it I believe the Bible yeah we'll we'll leave it there God be true and every man a liar all right so what did you say oh it's a
04:45:26
Brian Atlasit's a scripture let God be true and every man a liar okay I didn't hear what you said so I was just asking it's okay all right we have cheers to Brian and Andrew patience also Happy Father's Day to all the dads craw hey thank you man
04:45:39
Brian Atlasfor the Super Chat appreciate it dude happy Father's Day to uh all the fathers out there uh Co did you check this yeah I did hi Brian long time listener second time R super chatter is Andrew in the
04:45:51
Brian Atlasstudio I'm kind of drunk so I disregard my previous Ukraine comments great show ask the girls about The Tall mid no I'm good uh isn't the Orthodox Study Bible
04:46:00
Brian Atlasbased off the nkjv uh K thank you for the super chat but um I mean they probably don't even know what that is I do
04:46:11
Brian AtlasNew King James Version yeah new King James no that's not the Orthodox oh okay all right uh we have a question here from Stiffler ask everyone to rate their
04:46:20
Brian Atlaslooks total flit Face Body on scale of 1 to 10 can't pick seven starting with you why me I tried to I try to
04:46:31
Brian Atlasswitch it up 10 all the way around 10 yeah now he does ask total Face Body did you want is it 10 10 10 yes I think I
04:46:40
Brian Atlasmay be perfect okay I'll come back to that let me actually write this down God made you although you don't believe in God I do believe in God I never said I didn't she's the one saying I don't
04:46:51
Lilianbelieve in her God all right so hold on I said I do I believe in the Creator what about you I don't know Seven's like my wow you're really far from that microphone there Jesus okay sorry I'm like I haven't slept either um Seven's
04:47:04
Lilianmy favorite number right now I'm have to go with like a six I'm not going to lie uh so total face body
04:47:12
Brian AtlasI get eight on a good day total Face Body eight total yes so I'm asking for three answers so what
04:47:22
Brian Atlaswould you eight on all oh so are you saying eight for all yeah okay all right eight for the face and six for the body okay so total
04:47:32
Brian Atlasuh 14 14 no no no oh okay that was me too I was like like so like okay your total count would be
04:47:43
Lauren Roses (mixed)could be 10 Max face could be 10 body could be 10 body you don't add the two numbers together um yeah eight for the face and
04:47:54
Gracethen six for the body okay what about you I'm going all sixes on mine uh going to you over there I feel
04:48:03
Gracelike six on the face I want to pick like I can't pick seven 7.5 for my body um and then
04:48:12
Allisontotal yeah 7.5 six um for total I would do six uh
04:48:20
Abigailface six body seven oh I can't eight okay um I so since I can't say seven for anything I think my face would be closer
04:48:31
Abigailto an eight than a six body probably six and then total probably closer to a six than an eight so six and can I quickly follow up with this by asking if we can
04:48:43
Andrew Wilsongo around one more time and ask from your personal perspective who do you think the prettiest girl in the room is oh starting with h with red bangs who do you think the prettiest girl in the room is
04:49:01
Unknownoh I can't remember her name but over here oh the no the white oh Lauren okay um I oh this is so hard for me um
04:49:12
Andrew Wilsoneveryone's beautiful um I'll see Abigail by the way you can pick yourself that's fine too oh yeah said Abigail so Abigail
04:49:22
Brian Atlasokay I just I don't know I feel like everyone here is like don't can I like can I like pass no you got to answer this can I get one
04:49:34
Andrew Wilsonpass nope CU like everyone in here is like hot like it's hard who do you think the prettiest out of all the hot girls that you see is I I i'
04:49:45
Josiepass well we can't force her to we can't force her to Yes um probably these two ladies right here next to me I like them I think
04:49:57
Lauren Roses (mixed)they're very pretty which one which one do you think both of them who's the prettiest girl in the room you I they're going to play this game with you Andrew yeah we just going to play this game I don't want to answer that
04:50:08
Unknownquestion I'm tired of damn l didn't know we could get out of it I really tried to my turn uh yeah
04:50:21
Brian AtlasGrace yeah I'd say so I find you very attractive MH you're gorgeous thank you [ __ ] love interest all right okay H Robert Tanner hand Andrew do you have
04:50:33
Brian Atlasyour own channel if okay I would like to follow though I am a Western Roman Catholic uh yeah he does have a channel we're going to rate him after our show it's the Crucible uh so yeah be sure to uh go subscribe to Andrew are you at 10
04:50:45
Brian Atlas100K Andrew just shy 2,000 shy guys we're getting we're getting Andrew Wilson we're getting Andrew Bartholomew Bartholomew Wilson is that
04:50:58
Brian Atlashis middle name it is his middle name please don't bully him though please don't make fun please don't make fun of him we're getting boys we're getting him to 100K [ __ ] tonight perhaps during the stream boys there's hold on wait
04:51:10
Brian AtlasNick could you show us the view count show us the view count we can do this I'm pretty sure we can do this tonight guys we have 8,000 on YouTube 2,000 on Twitch uh can the mods put his channel in the description guys we're getting
04:51:23
Gracehim did somebody fart or is that just like it smells it smells soad I SM that I smell that I was like it's from the outside yeah I think it's outside that like
04:51:33
Brian Atlassewer I was like hopefully none of these uh guys we're getting bad we're getting it can't be a girl Andrew Bartholomew
04:51:44
Brian AtlasWilson to 100,000 subscribers tonight okay so go [ __ ] drop him a sub boys 8,000 viewers we can do it 2K away right
04:51:54
Brian AtlasAndrew 2K all right get them to 100K get him that plaque baby okay all right you can hide that uh no I actually wanted to come back to the soul 10 ranking here oh my God uh and actually can you can you
04:52:07
Brian Atlassnag her Instagram my Instagram yeah pull up her Instagram Nick it's uh it's the Josie one let me actually don't don't pull it up yet let me just
04:52:18
Brian Atlasreview it first before we uh you know hold on singer rapper model wait you have o i didn't know you didn't did you say that during the intro I don't think
04:52:29
Abigailyou did no okay well she said she hustles all right she's got no F hold on let me not check it out right now just kidding it's not that deep
04:52:40
Andrew Wilsonwhat the [ __ ] is going out there I can I go look please no I have free will there's it's nothing don't even trip uh by the way have have you girls also noticed how much better the panel's
04:52:52
Andrew Wilsonalready gotten now that the soul sucking energy vampire has left I'm just I'm just curious is that do you agree or disagree I I don't I guess we have
04:53:03
Brian Atlasdifferent topics now I mean content is content there's Andrew to be fair was I was it was that time of the month for me before the
04:53:14
Brian Atlasshow I was dude I was I was super tilted uh granted we had like Flakes and we had two no shows and then and lates and a
04:53:24
Andrew Wilsoncouple people running late but the no- shows that was pretty bad um late's not so bad she was also a soul sucking energy vampire there was also that yeah
04:53:34
Brian AtlasI mean I'm trying to think uh yeah pretty much she came in I mean I was kind of a little bit on edge and then it's kind of like have you
04:53:46
Brian Atlasever like hyped up a dog and you just like start spazzing out a little bit and the dog starts spazzing like that's kind of what happened there like I was a
04:53:54
Brian Atlaslittle on edge and she was like okay let me start to freak the [ __ ] out too you know the dog uh but she W Grant she was pretty uh she was she was a bit rough
04:54:06
Brian Atlasshe was a bit rough uh Nick wasn't able to lay down the law because normally he does like a whole like 10 15 minute pre-show but we skipped the pre-show I don't think we've ever skipped a pre like pre-show
04:54:17
Andrew Wilsoninstructions oh no no no no and that's Nick's favorite part of the show like I can I can always see when I'm there he loves that more than anything giving that given the pre-show notes yeah it's
04:54:28
Brian Atlasit's his favorite for sure so so yeah I think that didn't really set the stage for like expectations and conduct and
04:54:37
Brian Atlas[ __ ] so anyways um meta conversation oh so going back to here miss work EXC is that your is it actually with a z like that's your legal government name does
04:54:48
Brian Atlasit's not my legal name okay word uh I'm just me I damn bro your Instagram's kind of yeah it's not it's not you shouldn't you probably should it's probably fine I can probably yeah don't I did so you
04:54:59
Brian Atlassaid you were a 10 though you're a 10 out of 10 yeah total face body and you said that God made you perfect it's all perfect I have
04:55:11
Brian Atlasa question for you do you have breast implants um maybe well I'm curious if God made you perfect
04:55:23
Josiewhy you need to get fake titties honestly is just something I wanted to do I like my body before I like my body
04:55:33
Josiebefore titties yeah well actually I like my yeah I think so I like my body before if the titties were already perfect girl why you looking at me like that me yeah
04:55:46
Brian Atlasyou you looking at me like she judging me I'm not judging I'm listening I promise let's get the mic all down that way okay I'm just I'm trying to understand because you said you're 10 cuz I'm not going to rate myself
04:55:58
Josieanything less than that now what other people want to rate me they can I don't care your opinion doesn't matter to me um um any other procedures besides the fake
04:56:08
Brian Atlastitties yeah that's it um I have my uh I had Lio you had Lio yeah where did they put it in my butt in the booty yeah okay lip filler or anything like
04:56:21
Brian Atlasthat no so I've done nothing to my so you got what do they call it a BBL yeah I had a BBL okay so fake boobs I have my whole body done whole body yeah my body
04:56:30
Brian Atlasso okay so boobs lipo uh B well it was the light buo was the bbbo you feel me it was like done in the same procedure but so but they took from the LI cuz you could get lipo and
04:56:43
Josiejust get lipo yeah so I was really skinny I actually had to gain weight I had to gain like 20 PBS to get the procedure wait hold what I'm sorry hold on I got to play
04:56:54
Brian Atlassomething you intentionally got fat yes so that you could so you were let's say you were how much did you weigh before you decided to
04:57:05
Josieintentionally get fat um 125 I didn't really get fat I was just really skinny you put on okay you gained weight yeah I mean 145 for my height actually isn't um
04:57:16
Brian Atlaslike any type of it's pretty actually like regular like weight for my height I was kind of actually on SK like girl like skinny chicks will intentionally
04:57:25
Brian Atlasgain weight so they can have it removed so they can go back to how they it's so they can get a B they get in their booty I'll be shed okay all right okay pretty
04:57:37
Brian Atlasmuch so it's for the BBL like they're not going to just get the lipo if they're going to gain like they're going to use the F put it on the booty yes okay that's still
04:57:50
Lilianreally so even if I even if I just don't even know what to say God didn't make me perfect right um should I still rap myself less like well I mean like you're like if you're like if you're perfect before
04:58:02
Josielike there's nothing wrong I don't think they no man that sounds like a lot of work yeah it was just something I wanted to to do you know I don't know I thought
04:58:12
JosieI liked how I looked before honestly um I did a lot of like photo shoots um videos stuff like that beforehand but I just saved up a lot of money it was just something I wanted to do it it wasn't one of your like sugar daddies that paid
04:58:25
Brian Atlasfor it no I paid for it oh okay and I don't have sugar daddies thank you oh well I don't know you earlier you were saying you want a guy to pay for but okay I'm just yeah like as my man if
04:58:34
Brian Atlashe's going to be my man like you want to deal with me like that I'm just confused so okay there's the 10 thing you said God made you perfect even if he did
04:58:45
Brian Atlasshould I still make myself less but no but but you said God made you perfect you're a 10 he did but then why would you why would you need if he already
04:58:57
Brian Atlasmade you perfect why would you need the BBL the Lipo and the fake boobs because she doesn't really believe that wow that's actually well put that was well
04:59:07
Brian Atlasput yeah cutting to the chase there uh I mean that came from her mouth not mine but okay wait so did you view yourself the same way prior to the Cosmetic Surgery like were you attend before the BBL yeah that's what I said I
04:59:20
Brian Atlassaid I liked who I was before I just wanted that's not the question though that's not that's not the question you said you were 10 before the procedures if you were if you were 10 before the procedures you wouldn't need the procedures do you understand what I'm
04:59:31
Brian Atlastrying to say no I was you understand no I don't well it's like I want a boob job and like say I say I'm an eight right now I'm going to get the boob job I'm still think I'm an eight don't do that [ __ ] wait what I mean not like super like scary do it you you you going get the fake titties I thought about it
04:59:44
Brian Atlasdon't do the fake titties be like no fake titties but still be an this is me and me and Andrew Bartholomew Wilson we are natural body supremacists and we are against that fake [ __ ] get out of here
04:59:56
Lilianwith that I just [ __ ] with like anime titties like that like I anime is like [ __ ] like I don't know like they look like like anime titties there's something wrong with the titties currently not at all there's nothing wrong with the titties so why you got why you got to get fake titties cuz I just it's just you just want them yeah
05:00:09
Brian Atlasyou just want them like like I say like I'm just because you want something doesn't mean doesn't mean you should get idot you got to do it you know but like I want to believe so I got you know you got to stop hanging out with her bro she's a bad in I've been wanting a boob
05:00:20
LilianJN before this huh I've been wanting one before this I told my mom my mom was like sorry what what did your mom say is she is she like supportive or is she like [ __ ] no she's like you're perfect the way you are and I like I mean it's
05:00:32
Allisonnot that like I'm not like made this for reason what's your dad say uh I don't really talk to him about it oh okay I see I don't know he died like you know what I'm not can I ask you a question about getting a boob job now I did have
05:00:45
Allisonmy you know I had a breast augmentation before I became a Christian who would you be doing it for you for yourself not not not men at all not nobody except for myself so from um my point of view so I
05:00:57
Allisongot a breast augmentation um I wish I wouldn't have uh now because I didn't do it for me I did it for men and and you know approval so I would recommend to
05:01:08
Allisonlike wait on something it's not something you just want to jump and do because you could regret it oh yeah for sure how much how much do breast implants cost I think like
05:01:19
Liliananywhere from like 5K to like 10K right yeah I would say seven to 10 could be like you're going to go on the low end or you going to try to get like a better you know like one of those I mean highend the highend I want like boob
05:01:30
Brian Atlascancer I I don't need that I don't need whatever's in there leaking ladies here who've had fake boobs or maybe you haven't but you know about my understanding is don't you need to get them are placed every like 10 to 20
05:01:41
Brian Atlasyears you should yeah cuz they Des they start breaking down so over the course of a lifetime you could go you could have anywhere from like three to four procedures yes so over the course of a
05:01:52
Allisonlifetime that's maybe $30 $40,000 um mine have lifetime warranty cards oh really yeah I have lifetime warranties on them I wish that was wa waai for my team
05:02:04
Allisonget silicone not saing and like wow you know wait no but hold on you have yeah they come with insurance liketh so you're telling me you're
05:02:14
Allisontelling me that the surgeon will redo the surgery for free will he paid for the warranty I mean if you get a certain kind yeah you have insurance on them you just pay for the
05:02:26
Josieanesthesia maybe you have to like pay extra like some I don't know the details on this you don't have to pay for the implants again you yes you got to pay to go go under the knife but you don't have
05:02:37
Brian Atlasto pay for impants are like I don't know what the cost of the you I assume you still have to pay the surgeon to redo it that's my understanding mine don't have to be replaced every 10 years
05:02:49
Brian Atlasthough like they've come out with new ones that unless something punctures or happens you're fine and they'll pay for anesthesia I'm really close all right I don't know all the details I was under the impression that you had to get them
05:03:00
Brian Atlasredone in any case that's not really the central point of my argument uh but I'm just kind of confused here in terms of you said it's not for men
05:03:10
Lilianit is who's it for myself because it's not for men like I've always seen myself as a perfectionist so like when I look at my body in the mirror like I have a very specific way that I want to look personally for me because that's what
05:03:21
Lilianother men like that not men myself I I toally Wrong well I don't want to I destruction on women's mental
05:03:32
Brian Atlaspsyche no that is very true uh so beside do you want to get anything done besides the breast implants no you don't want like the light when the m- I don't think I mean I don't know like I don't think I
05:03:43
Brian Atlasreally need it ladies don't do that [ __ ] well yeah no I mean everyone's like perfect the way that they are but if they want to exemplify even if you're not perfect even if you're not perfect even if you got small titties don't do
05:03:55
Brian Atlasthat [ __ ] even if one titty is bigger than the other don't do that [ __ ] I guess his preference even if one titty is like a little leaning that pointing that way the other titty is like you got [ __ ] uh what's it called when you got
05:04:06
Brian Atlasyou got lazy titty not a lazy eye you got lazy titty if the lazy titty pointing that way one point you don't need you'll find a man who will love your lazy titty there are men out there who will worship I'm just say you're
05:04:18
Lilianlazy titty but like they can I'm I mean but like who cares what the men think like about like my tits you know maning my tits I don't know wait if
05:04:29
Brian Atlasyou don't mind me asking what's the current uh cup size I guess 32d wait what do you have a 32d you huh you you already have a
05:04:40
Brian AtlasI'm doing that [ __ ] I'm doing it on purpose boys doing on purpose you already have a 32d MH wow isn't that like the most like desired already you got that natural nice nice That's it
05:04:54
Josiedoesn't look like it though that's like me already having a big dick that's like me already having a big dick and be like well let me just make this [ __ ] bigger well I mean like if they want to do that like she want some
05:05:06
Gracebig old big old titties I don't know you already this is one of the saddest this is the saddest thing no wait wait I want to know I want to know like something I
05:05:18
Gracehear this all the time and it's like tell us men also go to the gym to get bigger stronger and whatnot like is that any different it's absolutely different and that men will straight up admit that
05:05:30
Abigailthey do that to be more attractive to women the difference is women never admit to doing that to be more attractive for men well if I got like like say I don't know like veneers like that' be to be more attractive to men
05:05:42
Brian Atlasbut like a boob job's like I don't know just be for myself I've just always thought like just to be clear you're you think men will care more about your teeth British teeth I have show me show me your teeth your teeth are beautiful
05:05:54
Abigailte gorgeous nobody here has ever noticed so it's just something only you more for don't let these men or women tell
05:06:05
Brian Atlasyou otherwise but don't get carried away either one at a time go ahead whoever wants to make a point I just say I think people women with their bodies and men with their bodies should do what they
05:06:18
Josiewant not don't let other women or men tell you otherwise but but I do no no no no no hold on hold can I finish can I finish cuz what I was just going to end up saying was just don't overdo it and don't get um body what is it body
05:06:31
Liliandysmorphia like that's literally what's causing y'all to get this [ __ ] plastic surgery [ __ ] sure you're right sure no I have body dysmorphia and that's why I want get it but it's not
05:06:40
Brian Atlasbut hold on you have listen I want to I'm going to get don't worry about what the mind I'm like whatever bro if it [ __ ] comes for me if it comes for me I I'm gonna you know I'll take the
05:06:54
Brian Atlasbullet I gu okay wait so you said wait I'm sorry repeat what you said I got distracted by The Moth what you said you had body dysmorphia you
05:07:03
Brian Atlassaidia but okay but you you also you you have agency right like you have control over yourself right like for example like make a fist right now just make a
05:07:14
Brian Atlasfist with your hand you got control my nails you have you have control so instead of just seeding instead of
05:07:24
Brian Atlascapitulating to your supposed body dysmorphia who knows if what if it's what if that's a lie what if that's programming from society that's in your
05:07:34
Brian Atlashead what if you don't even have it but let's say you do You Can Be steady fast and say I'm not [ __ ] buying into this [ __ ] no I'm not going to
05:07:46
Brian Atlasbe I'm going to be in control of my mind my my mind is not going to be in control of me do you understand I mean I I do try to do that but I mean I do overthink right but you got to stifle that [ __ ]
05:07:57
Lilianyou got to grab that [ __ ] really Tri I'm tired bro like I'm I'm tired like I've tried that yeah tired of having 32 D's yeah the [ __ ] bro you're already CH
05:08:06
Brian Atlasyou're good no it's not enough you're tripping bro she's already this girl got this girl got 32 in comparon girl what's that from Wall Street she's
05:08:19
Allisonalready got triple D she's already got double D's but now she's getting something to do with it but I'm just like I feel like I don't know and and it's okay to you know admit like you want other people to view you sexy like those other women on social media like
05:08:31
Allisonyou want that attention it's okay to admit that doesn't make you any you know [ __ ] that [ __ ] just be like honest about a lot of women make a lot of money off of having like a body so depends I feel like it
05:08:43
Brian Atlaswouldn't be for attention even if you had small titties even if you had small titties I'd be telling you like it's not like oh your boobs already good even if you had small boobs saggy boobs pointing
05:08:54
Brian Atlasin two different direction boobs I'd still say this [ __ ] to to a girl but I mean it's it's kind of even more crazy for you cuz you already got the titties but why you got it look okay hold on I
05:09:06
Brian Atlasneed you do you know the word constitution yes so constit not like the Constitution not like the Constitution you need to curate and develop a
05:09:16
Brian Atlasconstitution that responds to the programming that you've been fed through TV and movies and the [ __ ] Kardashians you need to say not today you got to say not [ __ ] today and you
05:09:28
Brian Atlasgot to stifle that [ __ ] you got to push it down and you got not only just that you got to [ __ ] destroy that [ __ ] I'm just like a perfectionist like I think that I already look good but I'm just like you
05:09:39
Brian Atlaswait wait here I'll engage with you okay perfectionist right what if I told you and I know you said you're not doing it for men but what if I told you that
05:09:49
Brian Atlasactually from an A purely aesthetic perspective that actually fake breasts do I have a Lis fake breasts are less
05:09:59
Brian Atlasaesthetically uh pleasing to the eye no for both men and women for both men and women fake breasts are they don't look right no offense no offense to to you either that's okay it just I don't know
05:10:11
Lilianbro it's like especially like these girls who had nothing before it looks like I don't know the Skin's too tight on that [ __ ] you get a like a it depends on like the doctor and the sizing and everything like that it
05:10:24
Liliandoesn't matter and I ain't ever seen like if I like it then I like it you know I ever seen some fake titties then I'm like those they her titties look better now you ain't seen the right set
05:10:34
Brian Atlasthen dude I trust I've seen a lot of titties in my never been to the strip club hum I'm sure there a lot of crazy titties in there and a lot of nice ones
05:10:44
Brian Atlastoo lot of lot a lot of men prefer here's the crazy thing you already have nice boobs so it's like what men already are going to like what you got going on
05:10:56
Lilianyeah but it's not for men so is it for you mhm like I know that some men don't like that and I'm just like I don't get it I mean like sh it's like if you're like per se really short and like you don't
05:11:08
Lilianlike I don't know is that like a thing do like guys I don't know say You're really short you want to be taller and you're like well I want to get like taller surgery and I and I would for the other so that would be for the other sex
05:11:19
LilianI mean I mean a defense or men men don't care I'm trying to think of an example I'm trying to think of an example of like something that would be like a boob job to like a man but he would do it for himself what if you lost like what if
05:11:31
Brian Atlasyou had uh complications and you had like lost Sensation that would suck what if you uh what if you died under anesthesia holy [ __ ] that would also [ __ ] Su but you're willing to
05:11:43
Brian Atlastake you're literally willing to risk the chance of death albeit low to make your how big do you want to go like a size bigger so like your your
05:11:56
Brian Atlassingle D and you want to go double D is that correct so you're 32d you want to go 32 Double D okay so you're willing to risk your
05:12:06
Lilianlife albeit it's a low chance of death very for slightly bigger faked hits well I mean like I mean people get on airplanes to go to [ __ ] IA and there's a slight chance of death but
05:12:18
Allisonthey still do it yeah sure and like the statistics were low like at least in like cuz I wasn't under it's actually a fair argument it's more likely to have like capsular contractions and other problems with you know and I know the
05:12:30
Lilianrisks but it's also like I was also like my first year of college like we didn't study that kind of stuff but I wanted to be an an an English anesthesiologist so I was in Premed but it's like I all I
05:12:41
Lilianremember from in Premed was like the static I'm I'm too tired to finish my sentence like I'm like I'm like seeing the moth still and I know it's not there
05:12:51
Brian Atlaslike where did it go I don't know it's just cuz like normally I'll hear like it's rare to hear this from a girl who is already well in well inou I don't
05:13:03
Brian Atlasknow what the term is but like you know it kind of makes a little more sense if like the girl has small boobs or it's flat I'm still against it but likees like yeah like you do what you
05:13:15
Kaywant to do like [ __ ] okay like what about a mom say yeah they always go to this okay what's so what's I'm 36 Double D I went up to a triple D when I was pregnant with my son then I had my
05:13:26
Kaydaughter breast milk suck the life out of me Nick and they've shrink some the the boo so then there's that extra skin from where it's stretched yeah yeah getting a boob job to get bigger to where it was
05:13:39
Brian Atlaswould make it where for your fullness yeah yeah okay well if I let's say I just grant that I'm fine with that
05:13:47
Josiealthough I'm not um I still think prior to that I just don't I don't I don't know I just don't get it I don't get it
05:13:59
Josiesometimes I feel like men just want to keep us ugly like and keep us in a closet us ug are are you saying are you saying she's ugly no she's definitely not ugly but us as like moms like we have these
05:14:11
Kaykids and then like you go from regular titties to big titties back to small titties and then you breastfeed and then you look like one the and one hand they look like those like long tube sock titties you got going on and you just
05:14:23
Brian Atlaslike don't like yourself no more so I think a lot of men let me ask you a question do you think that most women who get breast implants are doing it under those
05:14:34
Brian Atlascircumstances I would think so you think most fake titties because they want them that's really very vitty no you gave me an example of women who've breastfed and there's
05:14:45
Brian Atlaschanges to the breast I would argue most breast implants are not for like something corrective but it's just like some chick never had kids wants big fake
05:14:56
Kaytitties that's probably the majority oh yeah okay I mean it's probably like 50/50 it's definitely not 50/50 you don't think so I feel like girls get them more cuz they want them not because
05:15:07
Brian Atlasthey're I didn't get my body kids I did it so I would be more sexually desired by Men At You know at the time that was my reason that's what I'm saying look I've done polls in the chat
05:15:19
Brian Atlasfor the show I've done Twitter polls and I'll ask men do you prefer would you prefer a woman with small natural boobs or wom with big fake boobs and it's like
05:15:29
Josie80 90% of men prefer natural even if they're small I feel like men a lot of times like say they like natural this that and the other but then they go and
05:15:41
Josiecheat on their girls with these crazy BBL Bandits and whatnot going on and I'm and I'm definitely not like an advocate for plastic surgery so I'm definitely
05:15:53
Josienot saying like go get that done but I just I feel like I see it all the time where like even for example like a guy I previously dated you know would always tell me oh I I you're so skinny I really
05:16:05
Josielike this and that but then went and cheated on me with girls who are like all done up and it's like bro that's what you really like you really like that like I'm just I'm just
05:16:16
Josiethe whatever the one that's here dealing with you like type of thing so I don't know I just feel like men say they like this and like that but do they really because why are all these women then going and
05:16:29
Allisongetting all these surgeries I have a question because okay go ahead go ahead I was going to say if we didn't have like social media the way we do do you think women would have as much plastic surgery like if there was no social media do you think there'd be any fake
05:16:41
Lauren Rosesboobs at all no I I I think there would be less of them cuz I was actually just thinking about this today CU I think that sometimes like with the occurrence of only fans you know with with that happening I think that like what would
05:16:53
Lauren Roseshappen is is like that Temptation would be out there the guys would see it and I think that the maybe the girlfriend or wife would be like why are you looking at that like maybe should I go get my done like maybe it cross their mind you
05:17:04
Brian Atlasknow I agree with that yeah in yeah the Kim the the Kardashians have absolutely Savaged like Generations the Kardashians
05:17:14
Brian Atlasof women uh but blame them well I put some blame on them but I think you as women on the individual level need to
05:17:23
Brian Atlashave agency and be like I'm not going to buy into what Society is telling me I'm not going to buy into this I'm not going to put my health at risk I'm not going
05:17:33
Brian Atlasto waste all this money I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it and that's why the patriarchy needs to come back oh
05:17:41
Brian Atlasman so one so we can ban and Outlaw cosmetic purely cosmetic surgery men get cosmetic surgery yep we about got to ban
05:17:53
Josiethat [ __ ] they don't talk about it got they they keep it in the closet they be getting height surgery all types of stuff and they don't they won't never tell you yeah and I'm not I'm not in favor of that either I'm not in favor of that either I guess there's not very
05:18:06
Andrew Wilsonmany men who are getting surg L more than you think yeah talk to do you think how how many do you think I think are getting it I mean I don't know like a percentage I wouldn't know like
05:18:17
Josieobviously not as high as a talking about when you say a lot more than you think a lot more men get cosmetic surgery than you think they do a lot of men get lipo a lot of men get abs but that's not what
05:18:28
Andrew WilsonI said I said that a lot most men not I'm sorry basically no men anywhere are getting height surgery there's a few but there's not very many at all it's very
05:18:39
Andrew Wilsondangerous they break their legs it's not something that most men would ever consider honestly it's a very invasive procedure that's not the only cosmetic surgery they have penal in cosmetic
05:18:50
Josiesurgery they have penal injections to make your penis big they do that too that escalates yeah they do they're not going to talk about it men are not going to come open on a podcast like women are and be like yeah I got this and this and this and this done they're not going to
05:19:04
Andrew Wilsondo that whatever what's your point um I just wanted to ask what my question I wanted you hang on hang on I got to take issue with this uh no I think that there would be just as forthright as women women you just can't
05:19:15
Andrew Wilsonhide it you just can't hide the [ __ ] that you've had done like we can tell when you've had nose jobs and your Brazilian butt lifts and your boob J you can't hide that [ __ ] you know what I mean that's the distinction but you
05:19:28
Andrew Wilsonthink that we can't tell on men too we can tell on men too if they've had a bunch of plastic surgery you can easily tell it's not like it's something where we're like oh wow I just I didn't know that I didn't I didn't even noce go
05:19:38
Allisonahead go ahead oh I wanted to ask you do you think that like plastic surgery is a byproduct of social media and that it wouldn't be around of social media I mean it plastic surgeries existed before
05:19:50
Brian Atlassocial media there was depictions in all kinds of media prior to social media I mean if you look at the 80s and 90s these big giant fake titties that look [ __ ]
05:20:00
Brian Atlasterrible terrible uh were kind of uh you know I feel like the feel like for a period they were kind of falling out of favor but then Kardashians came around now it's just
05:20:12
Brian Atlasridiculous now it looks [ __ ] terrible bbl's no offense to you bbl's look [ __ ] terrible I've never seen a good it looks like women are dragging a full diaper it doesn't it that's what it looks like it looks like women are
05:20:24
Brian Atlasdragging a full diaper I'm always like what the what what is this it gives me uncanny valley it just doesn't look right also the Lipo belly cuz I need a better doctor there's some girls like
05:20:35
Lilianthere's no such thing as a goodlooking BBL I'm sorry I didn't even know it was abl and great boob jobs oh God I'm not like to that I mean like I saw this not I mean look I looked at your Instagram
05:20:48
Brian Atlaswe're not going to pull it up I did notice on your Instagram you have pretty very evident scarring I believe is it from your Al lipo where you don't have scarring on your belly no I have no scarring on my belly you well not I
05:21:00
Josiedon't know if it's sorry I don't know if it's scarring but lipo tends to um it doesn't even like I feel like my stomach doesn't even look warp like the Lipo bellies you're talking about I
05:21:10
Brian Atlascan if you're fine with me pulling it up uh I do need to just double check and make sure it's not like
05:21:21
Brian Atlasuh uh or you said you were pregnant right so it's not clear to me if these markings on your belly are from I mean yeah you're your pregnancy or from the lia uh show it yeah I have a kid I'm not
05:21:32
Josiepregnant right now yeah anyways we're not going to pull it up but well then I can't tell you you're not aware of the markings on your there's no yeah if you want me to point it out I mean it's no scarring they
05:21:45
Josiedidn't lipo me right here they didn't do anything right here the Lio was done on my back and like way down in my bikini line and you can't see the scar on any of my pictures okay so then maybe it's
05:21:56
Brian Atlasfrom your pregnancy then the scars or not the scars I mean if it's a stretch mark okay well I mean I've seen like the Lipo belly it does tend to if they get
05:22:06
Brian Atlasit from the uh lower abdom Abal or the mid abdominal it does distort the belly the front belly maybe you got it from a different region but I think it that has
05:22:18
Josieto do with posttop care I think women um go into surgery a lot of times not very educated on how expensive posttop care is and stuff so you got to get like massages and you're supposed to get them
05:22:29
Josiefor like four six months after your surgery um most women can't afford that it's like $100 of a massage and then the first month you need them every single
05:22:40
Josieday so in the first month you're going to spend $2 $3,000 just on massages and then you're supposed to keep getting them so if you don't do that you're going to have a lipo crazy looking belly cuz all that fluid is still stuck in your stomach and that's what makes it
05:22:53
Gracelook like that I love how educated you are though like like you have full range to speak on it because like it's like you are educated
05:23:03
Graceso wait you're you're like co-signing her well I I think that I don't have to
05:23:12
Graceagree per se what she's saying but but she is educated she's Ed educated on the topic
05:23:23
Brian Atlasyeah okay look I'll just say this I'm a natural body supremacist exactly so so he's not going to agree with anything well okay for example I'd rather a girl
05:23:33
Brian Atlaswith an A cup over like she could be flat over fake tip I'd prefer like a even a little belly fat over lipo I'll take a small ass over a BBL I'll take a small upper lip over
05:23:45
Brian Atlaslip fillers basically you can just take any woman who's had these procedures and I'd prefer them as they were before having got the procedure so and I
05:23:57
Brian Atlasgenuinely think a lot of men feel this way and I do think ladies you kind of at least when it comes to your dating prospects I know you guys aren't like it's not for the men let me just grant that fine you're not doing it for the
05:24:09
Brian Atlasmen it still hurts your dating prospects I I genuinely think because I think a man who does have his head on right is going to see a woman who's got all this
05:24:18
Brian Atlascosmetic surgery and like it's going to kind of like make him consider like okay someone who has a lot of uh plastic surgery that's a proxy for body dmor
05:24:30
Josiedysmorphia just speak on yourself really no I'm speaking for a lot of men no because there's a lot of men who date a lot of women that are done where's the ring what's the name cool guys will [ __ ] you
05:24:41
Josiethey're plenty of men in relationships with women look at all these celebrities all their women are BBL out and freaking and they're
05:24:52
Brian Atlasdegenerates says you do you think society would be better if women didn't feel a need to get plastic surgery do you think society would be
05:25:03
Brian Atlasbetter a good would would it be better for women if there was no plastic surgery because if nobody could get plastic surgery then there would not be
05:25:13
Lauren Rosesthis competition thing I think some plastic surgery is like good but then some is like way over the top like it just depends on like an example of a good plastic surgery what if somebody like wanted like had a big
05:25:25
Brian Atlasmole on their face and they wanted it removed like that's a plastic surgery the origin the origin of yeah this is um hold on I'm sorry sorry and they felt like everyone was staring I think we're going to make the same argument Andrew
05:25:35
Brian Atlasthe origin of plastic surgery was actually to to fix some sort of deformity or if somebody was injured in Warfare for example half their faces
05:25:45
Brian Atlasblown up uh someone got in a you know they were in a fire terrible uh disfigurement I think in those circumstances plastic surgery is
05:25:55
Brian Atlasmedically indicated and Justified and it will improve their quality of life it's not clear to me if most plastic surgery that's done today is done for these same sort of righteous reasons
05:26:08
Brian Atlasoccurs to me that it's typically done for vanity I want bigger boobs I want a flatter stomach there's not a medical indication for putting plast there's actually I don't think really any
05:26:20
Brian Atlasmedical indication for implanting plastic into your chest mhm there's no medical justification for that yeah and not fine I'll Grant in the case of a woman getting breast cancer she has a
05:26:32
Brian Atlasbreast removed I'll grant that or like kids and then it's all you know she feels sure I'll grant that too I I like it I like in the case of a a a single woman who's never who's never had children and who doesn't have breast
05:26:44
Liliancancer I can't think of a medically indicated reason for why she would need plastic surgery mhm I don't think anyone needs plastic surgery unless you have one of those medical like I don't need plastic surgery but I'm like right I could i' I think if someone had a
05:26:56
Lauren Rosesdeformity or felt like they people were staring at that instead I remember when I was younger I had something that people I felt like we're staring at constantly and I just felt so self-conscious about it and nobody cared about it but me so when I got old I paid
05:27:08
Lauren Rosesfor it and then it was gone and I was like wow like I feel so much better now like I feel like people aren't staring at that anymore like that's cool like it's good but yeah like you said if it's over the top then it's like not uh Andrew you wanted to come in on
05:27:20
Andrew Wilsonsomething yeah so I'm this is a it's a conflicting topic for me I thought about it far more than I probably should but because I'm on the show so much I kind of had to dive into it so some of the conflicts I have would be so you brought
05:27:33
Andrew Wilsonup a good one what if you want to have a mole removed or what if you're morbidly obese and lose a ton of weight like you lose 700 lb or something and you know how they get that loose skin yeah and then they go in and they kind of
05:27:45
Andrew Wilsoncosmetically fix it and they stretch the the stomach and and this type of thing I think what Brian is kind of pushing at and I think I would tend to agree with this is what we're looking at we know
05:27:55
Andrew Wilsonkind of what a normal proportion of a human being looks like so we engage in society day and day out all day long we see hundreds and hundreds and thousands of human beings and hundreds of
05:28:06
Andrew Wilsonthousands over our lifetime this type of thing we kind of know what normal looks like and what normal proportions look like and so if somebody has horrible burn scars or things like this which can
05:28:17
Andrew Wilsonbe kind of cosmetically brought back to what that standard of normaly is I think that nobody would really object but it's cosmetic enhancements suddenly that actually creates a different kind of
05:28:30
Andrew Wilsondisproportionality and I think that that's what he's actually objecting to and I think that that's what he means by a beauty standard that people would much rather see what they would consider natural proportions on people because uh and why
05:28:43
Andrew Wilsonwouldn't we right we're kind of ingrained to do that and so I think what happens often is women go well wait a second I wish I had bigger breasts or I wish I had this or I had that and so they'll get that enhan but then the
05:28:55
Andrew Wilsonproportions often off totally off for their body type it doesn't even look correct and so you say well but men will still have sex with me yeah but so what you know they'll have sex at the two at the at the end of the bar clo too who
05:29:07
Andrew Wilsongives a [ __ ] if they'll have sex with you that's not an indication that the beauty standard itself is actually good mhm facts and if I can actually add to that argument do you think that the
05:29:19
Brian Atlasdeciding factor like let's say you are dating a guy and you do have BBL lipo fake boobs do you think he's with you
05:29:28
Brian Atlassolely because of those things wait talking to me I sort of I guess do you think like
05:29:38
Brian Atlaslike if you lost those alterations that you've made or you didn't have them you think he would dump you you think he wouldn't be with you you think he wouldn't you think he wouldn't have even
05:29:49
Brian Atlasbeen interested let's assume you didn't have any of that stuff when you met him you think he wouldn't have been into you had you not had those things no I think um he would I mean
05:30:02
Josiebecause I've I've experienced that myself like when I got my body done I was dating some somebody and um I was with them obviously before I had got my body done and I was with them after and
05:30:13
Brian Atlasit didn't really change the situation so well that's not really what I'm asking but I guess what I'm asking is is that say your life partner yeah sure maybe you'll get attention from superficial
05:30:26
Josiemen that want to [ __ ] you maybe they'll keep you around a bit maybe they'll be your sugar daddy will do that um to anybody body done or not you made a point earlier man we'll get with anything so that really whether you have
05:30:38
Josieyour body done or not doesn't matter as far as that goes like that's a fact men will get with anything they will get with anything so does it make you more
05:30:49
Josieattractive I mean that beaut is in eye the beholder like it's up to Y man and you I guess like this man is
05:31:01
Brian Atlaslaughing all right can't really uh get through to you guys um on this but uh t Point here again and to your point too
05:31:11
Brian Atlasuh I'm not against it even the examples Andrew gave like the you want a mole removed uh personally I mean if it's a minor one who kind of cares but uh you know if you've been you were primary
05:31:24
Brian Atlaslike if you were obese and then you had a bunch you lost the weight you had a bunch of loose skin I think it's a little different Andrew there because and I'm I I actually would
05:31:34
Brian Atlaskind of be fine with like loose skin removal uh there actually could be medically indicated reasons why it could potentially loose skin could present some actual physical discomfort Charlie
05:31:47
TTSTanner donated $200 European markets are opening I need to start my second job you are all beautiful and deserve a lot better St
05:31:58
Brian Atlasare you are there are many man myself that will take care of you and I think the difference thank you Charlie Tanner I think one of the difference here though andw even though I'm actually
05:32:09
Brian Atlasfine with the uh you know fixing up the loose skin thing is assume assuming this person wasn't obese and assuming as at one point in their life their skin was
05:32:20
Brian Atlasnot loose so by getting the plastic surgery it is a return to how yeah to the normal proportion yeah to nor whereas you you're
05:32:32
Brian Atlasum a woman who's you know not gone through TR uh breast feeding she's not doing a return to a
05:32:41
Brian Atlasprevious breast size she's not doing a return to how she used to be her normal uh how her body normally manifested yeah but there's a problem here and the
05:32:52
Andrew Wilsonproblem is this is that you could be born disfigured you could have like a disfigurement on your face or something like this born that way true and then later technology becomes available that
05:33:03
Andrew Wilsonwill fix this disfigurement so that you kind of look like everybody else who's around you I still think that that's good I think that that's fine like I would say yeah sure get it fixed you know what I mean and I don't think you
05:33:15
Brian Atlaswould object to that either right no for examp like an example here might be like somebody who's born with what's it called the cleft pallet uh certainly I there must have
05:33:26
Brian Atlasbeen some point in history where there was no medical intervention for some people who have cleft pallets plastic surgery came around we're now able to these people who have uh the what's it
05:33:37
Brian Atlasis it called cleft pallet missing cleft pallet I don't know uh you know now they can get that procedure when they're very young and they pretty much look just
05:33:47
Brian Atlasabout totally normal uh don't object to that at all that's a disfigurement uh it's not clear to me if a woman who has small breasts for example it doesn't occur to me that that's a disfigurement
05:34:00
Andrew Wilsonit's well it's not a disfigurement that's what I mean is by what's proportional so have you ever noticed for instance that you can generally tell by the frame of a of a person when
05:34:10
Andrew Wilsonthere's something wrong that's why when people are morbidly obese you you end up stopping and going wait something's wrong here because it's totally disproportionate to frame so you go wait
05:34:22
Andrew Wilsonthis is a sign that it's not healthy or you look bad uh this type of thing that would be kind of ingrained in you as a sign of non-health and so I think I think kind of what what what I would get
05:34:33
Andrew Wilsonat is uh when I when I look around me I look at Humanity all the things that I observe about human beings I can kind of tell when something's off right I can tell when wait this is not correct the
05:34:46
Andrew Wilsonthe proportion is off there's some sort of enhancement or there's something I think that you can generally tell about people just based on their body frame and so yeah I think that the attractiveness level does decrease
05:34:57
Andrew Wilsonthere's a reason that human beings look the way that we do and why we're super attracted to each other and often times these kinds of medical enhancements actually detract from that and I think
05:35:07
Brian Atlaspeople don't see that H yeah I guess uh final thing on just the plastic surgery thing then we'll move along I just kind of see this as an assault against the
05:35:18
Brian Atlasphysical and mental health of our Mo of our mothers sisters daughters girlfriends wives pretty much all women uh the Cosmetic industry is a it's like
05:35:28
Brian Atlasum well I mean when I say cosmetic industry now it's going Beyond just even uh plastic surgery but like makeup all this stuff it's like half a trillion dollar Global industry and they have a
05:35:41
Brian Atlasvested interest in frankly keeping women feeling insecure and self-conscious about their physical appearance and this could be through the sale of makeup through the sale of plastic surgery all this [ __ ] and so it's interesting to me
05:35:53
Brian Atlasthere's like two there's almost like two feminist views on this one feminist view is women should be allowed to get these procedures do whatever you want you're a boss babe you should do whatever you want there's actually another uh a
05:36:06
Brian Atlasdifferent feminist view which actually acknowledges my position on this which is that this is sort of a societal attack on women essentially and that
05:36:15
Brian Atlaswomen are being uh there's this undue pressure and burden on women also men uh to get these expensive dangerous and
05:36:25
Brian Atlasunnecessary medical procedures that otherwise are not medically uh indicated and so um yeah I don't know anyways I just think Andrew as the Patriot you're
05:36:37
Brian Atlasyou're a representative of the patriarchy the patriarchy we we our Duty right is to be protectors to protect women and we must protect them of
05:36:46
Andrew Wilsonattacks of mind and body and so for that reason well yeah well and so I think I think too that things need at least from a man's perspective often to comply with
05:36:58
Andrew Wilsonreason uh even over whatever it is that we're feeling in the whim so I think for most from most men's perspective it would be unre reasonable to to say oh
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Andrew Wilsoninject my penis with X so that it looks bigger uh that doesn't seem to comport with reason when it gets to what the risk potentially could be but what's interesting is that women seem to ignore these risk far more which is actually
05:37:23
Brian Atlaskind of bizarre to me I don't I don't really understand that well I mean you hear about all these stories uh with some of these cosmetic procedures women uh gets botched women die they have
05:37:34
Brian Atlasmajor complications they get uhur uh I think it's called the like really hard to uh fix uh infection or whatever Madison's Aunt uh wanted to get a BBL
05:37:47
Brian Atlasfor it was a BBL right Nick wanted to get a BBL uh Madison she's not here she's one of she works for the whatever podcast she died from the procedure she died
05:37:57
Andrew Wilsonfrom the BBL thing uh you know Kanye West all sorts of complications which they it and I believe with breast augmentation your increase for cancer and breast cancer everything else the
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Andrew Wilsonrisk greatly increase um there's all sorts of risks which are inherent to it but it I I'm not really sure how that really comports a reason to do that exactly it seems it seems unreasonable
05:38:20
Andrew Wilsonto me I just don't understand why it's done I don't think ultimately I haven't seen many boob jobs that look good honestly I'm just I really haven't and I don't I just haven't and you can tell
05:38:31
Brian Atlasimmediately and you're just like yeah okay listen I'm on the small City committee I'm on the small tiity committee I'm I'm a I'm a what's it called I'm an advocate for small
05:38:43
Brian Atlastitties women come to me I'm I'm actually well I'm not going to go that far but we got to we got to
05:38:52
Brian Atlasput some respect on the small titties okay anyways um also uh there's 10,000 laia plasties a year which is every single one is just a [ __ ] dagger to my heart these poor women getting their
05:39:05
Brian Atlaslabas chopped off It's upsetting it upsets me I'm get very upset about it uh big labia matter # big laia matter really the pressing issue of our time uh
05:39:16
Brian Atlaswait there's one more thing on the fake titty thing totally forgot yeah whatever so let me get through the show notes then we're going to wrap up we have some videos oh do we wait we do what are the
05:39:28
Brian Atlasvideos uh we'll have to do it another show let me read can I have you read these chats could you hide Andrew for a sec yeah can you read these Blondie with the black shirt you've been chewing on
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Kayyour fingernails and chewing gum at the same time gross and pink shirt you're not African stop trying to be something you will never be I amum I have a compulsive disorder cuz I have severe
05:39:51
KayADD so you have what severe ADD and like a compulsive disorder so sure yeah suck my dick can you read this one I don't know go outside the girl you kicked reminds
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Kayme of a great value Kiko and the girl with the red bangs in my personal opinion you are the hottest one there thank you uh honestly that girl I want to ask the chat Nick if you can
05:40:15
Brian Atlasshow us the chat I'm pretty sure that girl is worse than Kiko and like think of her first few appearances not like she's become more reasonable we've been working on Kiko she's become more
05:40:26
Allisonreasonable I'm talking OG Kiko that girl was worse than Kiko for sure but I think she did it like on purpose you know I think she was having fun with it I don't think she like yeah she like she was
05:40:39
Allisondoing that on purpose to get you guys ticked off oh yeah she it worked I it worked I was already kind of she definitely tended to answer yeah
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Allisonum anyways oh there's one more did um did what to me uh remember she kept saying I'm not going to say to you what you want to hear I'm sorry read this please women need to chill with all the