FERAL Feminist RAGE QUITS?! Andrew Wilson HEATED DEBATE! House Of The Strumpet! | Dating Talk #170
Date: 2024-06-17
Duration: 8h 37m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_02Lauren Roses(guest)
SPEAKER_03Lauren Roses (mixed)(guest)
SPEAKER_04Allison(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Abigail(guest)
SPEAKER_08Grace(guest)
SPEAKER_09Paloma(guest)
SPEAKER_10Kay(guest)
SPEAKER_11Lilian(guest)
SPEAKER_12Josie(guest)
SPEAKER_14Lauren Roses (mixed)(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:39
IntroKay introduces herself: 27yo, Indiana, OnlyFans.
“my name is Kay I am 27 and I am from Indiana and I do only fans”
00:04:37
IntroLauren Roses introduces herself: 31yo, cortisean at Moonlight Bunny Ranch, Tantra/hypnotherapy.
“I am a student and I um I am a cortisen at the moonlight bunny ranch my name is Lauren roses”
00:09:34
IntroLilian introduces herself: 19yo, student/music producer. Mentions she had a funeral this morning.
“my name is Lilian I'm 19 and my occupation I guess I'm a student and a music producer”
00:10:31
QuoteLilian reveals she attended her friend's funeral the morning of the show. Friend (musician, 20s) died the previous day.
“I had a funeral this morning for my very good friend may he rest in peace”
00:13:47
IntroJosie introduces herself: 25yo, singer/songwriter/model from Wisconsin, lives in LA.
“my name's Josie... I'm an artist a hustler um singer song writer model... I'm 25”
00:14:29
IntroGrace introduces herself: 18yo, sociology/psychology at UCSB.
“my name is Grace I'm 18 I'm studying sociology at UCSB right now”
00:14:52
IntroAllison introduces herself: 30yo, tech company, grew up Wisconsin, lives Texas.
“my name's Allison I'm 30 and I work for a technology company”
00:15:14
IntroAbigail introduces herself: 20yo, leasing agent, coaches boys gymnastics.
“I'm Abigail I'm 20 and I'm a leasing agent and occasionally I coach boys gymnastics”
01:03:52
QuoteJosie says she wants man to pay all her bills (~$3000+/month). Brings 'my pretty self' to the table.
“my R 2500 my my car payment like 300 uh um... my phone bill is like 200... if you can't do that I don't need to waste my time”
01:05:58
QuoteJosie states her contribution to a relationship: 'my pretty self'.
“my pretty self that's what I bring I know that's right and I'm pretty so”
01:13:02
ControversyBrian calls panel one of the most 'feral' he's had. Paloma pushes back strongly.
“this is one of the most [feral] panels... these two girls are 2 hours late my friend died”
02:00:32
IntroAndrew Wilson joins via call-in. Greets panel. Happy Father's Day message.
“hello everybody how are you doing hey my name is Andrew Wilson”
04:19:30
OtherPaloma rage quits after refusing to answer feminist identity question. Leaves show at ~4:27.
“I'm actually going to go but you guys have a great night... not a rage quit it's a rage quit”
04:36:20
QuoteJosie rates herself 10/10/10 face/body/total. Says 'I think I may be perfect'.
“10 all the way around 10 yeah... I think I may be perfect”
04:51:30
QuoteJosie's BBL backstory: intentionally gained ~20 lbs to harvest fat for BBL. Paid for it herself.
“I was really skinny I actually had to gain weight I had to gain like 20 PBS to get the procedure”
06:16:47
QuoteLauren Roses reveals body count is approximately 1,100 over 10 years of courtesan work.
“I have 1,100 that's I think more than last time cuz I cuz I yeah... I've been doing this for 10 years”
Topics Discussed
00:00:14
Intro & housekeeping
Brian's show intro: announcements, TTS rates, merch, Twitch plug, disclaimer. Notes late start due to no-shows.
00:03:39
Guest introductions
Panel members introduce name/age/location/occupation in order: Kay, Paloma, Lauren Roses, Lilian (mentions friend's funeral), Josie, Grace, Allison, Abigail. Andrew Wilson announced as joining later.
00:11:11
Lilian's friend's funeral
Discussion about Lilian attending a friend's (young musician, 20s) funeral the same morning. Brian skeptical of same-day funeral (unusual); Lilian explains friend had no family present at informal gathering.
00:16:00
Relationship status round
Each guest describes their relationship status, longest relationship, and recent dating history. Includes Paloma's situationship, Lauren's courtesan work as 'relationships', Josie's divorce and son, Abigail's marriage.
01:03:00
Josie's financial requirements for men
Josie itemizes ~$3000+/month in bills she expects a partner to pay. Says she brings 'my pretty self' to the table. Abigail and Brian challenge the logic.
01:05:00
Modern dating & social media discussion
Guests discuss how social media and OnlyFans have changed dating. Lauren on media training for entertainers. Lilian and Allison on pornography effects on young minds.
01:16:11
'Feral' comment and panel tension
Brian calls this 'one of the most feral panels' he's had. Paloma objects, accuses Brian of interrogating Lilian's friend's death. Heightened tension between Paloma and Brian.
02:00:32
Andrew Wilson joins (call-in)
Andrew Wilson joins via Callin app for Father's Day. Introduces himself to panel. Notes it's been hectic show from what he heard.
02:08:20
Man vs. bear question
Chat donation prompts 'man vs bear in the woods' discussion. Guests debate whether they'd rather encounter a strange man or a bear alone in the woods. Various takes; Lauren and Allison provide nuanced responses.
03:00:00
Gender roles and feminism debate
Andrew Wilson leads debate asking each guest if they identify as feminist (using charitable definition: rejection of patriarchy for equality). Allison strongly anti-feminist (Christian complementarian). Josie non-committal. Others mixed.
04:16:50
Paloma rage quit
Paloma walks off show at ~4:27 after refusing to answer feminist identity question. Says she's 'not obligated to argue.' Brian and Andrew confirm it's a rage quit.
04:20:00
Biblical canon debate
Josie mentions Book of Enoch. Andrew Wilson and Allison debate which books belong in the Bible, Protestant vs. Orthodox canons, whether God has sovereignty over scripture selection.
04:36:20
Ratings round
Guests rate themselves on face/body/total (1-10 scale, no 7s allowed). Josie goes first: 10/10/10. Lilian: 8/6. Grace: 6/7.5/6. Allison: 6/7.5/6. Abigail: 8/6/6. Also round of 'prettiest in room' votes.
05:00:00
Breast implant discussion
Lilian says she wants breast implants despite having 32D. Josie discusses her BBL and implants. Allison regrets her breast augmentation pre-Christianity. Grace and Brian push back on body modification.
06:16:20
Body count round
Going around the table: Lauren reveals 1,100 over 10 years. Grace ~2. Allison single digits. Grace's 'under 20' caveat. Andrew Wilson reaction to 1,100.
06:20:00
Racism and can minorities be racist
Discussion of whether only white people can be racist vs. anyone can be racist. Josie takes 'only white people' position. Brian and Andrew challenge this.
07:08:00
Bumble swiping segment
Guests swipe through Bumble profiles. Lilian and Grace shown profiles; mostly rejected. Lauren also participates. Age preferences discussed (Lilian: 19-23; Grace: 18-21).
08:27:00
Show wrap-up
Brian thanks Andrew Wilson for ~6 hours of debate. Raid to Andrew Wilson's channel for 100K subscriber push.
Transcript
Page 4 of 10
02:50:27
Brian Atlascouple say I need to read two chats um Abigail you want to you want to try to hold on Nick hide it hide it hide it hide it please don't
02:50:41
Brian Atlaswor can you read it how is the pink shirt I'll read it I'll read it thank you okay how is the pink shirt girl demanding so much but
02:50:51
Brian Atlasall she has is use blank what's up with the the Mexican chick okay I'm not going to read I'm not reading the rest of that bro y'all you [ __ ] wild dude what w
02:51:03
Brian Atlaslaw paladins women want men to be emotional but yet if Brian gets emotional about being lied to and manipulated the entire panel jumps on him and attacked him for being emotional well it's sp's fault I don't
02:51:15
Brian Atlasthink he was being emotional not emal no one attacked him being emotional it's a podcast you can share his opinion that's what a podcast is yeah no one that's a good point paladins
02:51:26
Brian AtlasI was kind of uh was kind of noticing that like when I got tilted like do you see the sort of like how do I explain it when I was tilted there's almost this sort of like goodbye woke black man wait
02:51:39
Brian Atlashold on let me please let me finish uh when I got tilted there was this sort of like malevolent sort of
02:51:48
Josiesatisf action like I've gotten under his skin like she enjoyed kind of uh getting me a little riled up I feel like you enjoy ring them up as well I feel like
02:51:59
Josieyou I don't enjoy ring people up I prefer just having calm level convers You' been you've been talking gas I feel like you've been um talking very um rudely like even just oh speak in the
02:52:11
Josiemicrophone I mean is that rude how is it rude to say that it's not it's not that it's rude it's your um the tone in your voice that you're using and that if I have to remind somebody seven times yeah
02:52:24
Josiebut you did it to me did it to me and you didn't have to remind me seven times and you gave me a rud tone of voice which I don't care did before the show before the show did I instruct you politely to speak into the microphone I instructed everybody but you don't have
02:52:37
Palomato be rude about it if you got to remind somebody one time and I don't even think it was about the microphone would you it's your little comments like oh these girls can't even comprehend hypotheticals you couldn't actually comprehend an hypo a hypothe
02:52:49
Palomacan you even pronounce hypothetical go ahead no um you actually couldn't comprehend a hypothetical when she brought up The Purge movie you were like why are we talking about movies that was a hypothetical you're out here saying we can't comprehend hypotheticals that's
02:53:01
Andrew Wilsonrude you're making all these little side comments sorry for [ __ ] word that actually wasn't a hypothetical so she was what she was doing was taking an event a placed event and then making a
02:53:11
Andrew Wilsoncreative analogy it wasn't actually a hypothetical she wasn't asking I'm sorry to interrupt you Andrew coming about me stop let him finish I'm I'm sorry I'm going to have to interrupt you no you're not going to have to interrupt him go ahead Andrew
02:53:24
Andrew Wilsonyou let him that wasn't actually a hypothetical she was she was trying to draw statistics from something which is observable that she has seen before there was not really there wasn't a question which was involved uh that
02:53:37
Palomawould have made that hypothetical okay great thank you um you you're welcome you telling me Oh can you even pronounce the word hypothetical that's a rude comment right there like you know what
02:53:47
Palomayou're doing you're trying this enti show you your I am I don't how you like can't even like see that for yourself like truly it actually is boggling my
02:53:57
Palomamind and I'm honestly concerned that you can't understand understand how to speak into the microphone see and there there he goes again I've literally told you multiple times oh my God is that really our biggest issue here I feel like
02:54:10
Palomayou're our biggest issue here or you could just do it or is this really me speaking into the microphone our biggest issue here you could just do it I'm doing it right now dude you've now corrected go ahead with your point see there you go like you can't even like I'm telling you to finish your point you
02:54:23
Palomacan't no you're not telling me to finish my point you can't even converse with me on important things you just like to point out oh look at you cool cool cool like you don't even know how to like have an actual conversation when a woman is bringing up a point that's actually
02:54:34
Andrew Wilsoncorrect what's your point my point is that you've been just as rude as I have been and when I say that you're just like oh can you even speaking into a mic yeah but you started it you started it
02:54:46
Andrew Wilsonyou started it I started I mean he did you started yeah you started it you're being a brat come on let's be real you were being a brat you know you were being a brat no he was asking ridiculous
02:54:57
Palomaquestions oh I I think I can definitely have an attitude when necessary you were asking ridiculous questions you were prying her about her friends passing I think that's rude and disrespectful and I called you out on it and then suddenly
02:55:09
Andrew Wilsonyou have a problem with that you called me doing call out culture now we calling each he's doing call out culture you [ __ ] bimbo like hello
02:55:18
Andrew Wilsonthat's hmbo to you all righto all right my bad I'm moving that's himbo now notice I didn't insult you at all I'm going to just have to call you a bimbo I'm so sorry about yeah
02:55:31
Andrew Wilsonyou remember remember how I never insulted you but you insulted me H that's exactly how it started with Brian too cuz you're a brat and you can't control your
02:55:42
Lilianem actually Andrew that's a good point you called me a brat first then I called you a bimbo Andrew do you have there we go wait wait wait wait do you have kids got you yeah do you talk to your
02:55:53
Lilianchildren like this like genat wait do I call them brats when they're being brats no I mean like just like the like the nagging and like the name calling and just like and the passive did it's just funny cuz I'm
02:56:05
Andrew Wilsonwatching a grown man like n wait wait wait wait did I call anybody a name or did someone called me a r hello yeah after after hang on after what after you called me a name she
02:56:16
Brian Atlasstarted you called me a then I called you a rewind no no no no no you called him a himbo you called me a himbo so I said you're a brat you said the first I thought I I thought he said
02:56:29
Josiethat you were being a brat and that's why and you were you were no no I thought I thought you said she was being a brat because you were saying about whole thing was and then I think she called you maybe I'm wrong I didn't call
02:56:40
Josieher I just said it was bratty Behavior didn't call me a brat I'm so sorry call me you're describing her that is um oh my God you guys are ridiculously I want a shirt that says
02:56:52
Andrew WilsonHBO yeah I want a shirt that says himbo actually I'm a HBO I want that as a shirt I think you guys get a lot of money no you're just a bimbo not AO you can't take HBO no I'm not taking himo
02:57:02
Palomathat's totally your thing you're so right it's b b with with a B for youbo I think it should be you're a bimbo no I'm a HBO and that's the shirt that we get made what man would be upset by being
02:57:14
Andrew Wilsoncalled a HBO though I don't know what do you like being called a himo yeah sure that's F I mean that's fine with me okay I love that for
02:57:24
Brian Atlasyou I'm going to read some chats all right H thank you cider a bear might Maul you to pieces if it thinks you are a threat to its Cubs also a bear is not
02:57:34
Brian Atlasgoing to help you find a way out of the woods but a man might in
02:57:42
Brian Atlasfact most men are decent and would try to assist a woman lost in the woods no matter how much they Yap okay thank you Dixon Cider wait holy [ __ ] bro your name
02:57:54
Palomaoh you [ __ ] got me you son of a [ __ ] you son of a [ __ ] 69 dickon cider you got me bro what's that mean God 69 dickon cider okay all right Greg
02:58:05
Josieoh sorry you can reason with a man you can't reason with a bear I don't actually know if you can reason with a man I mean reason with y'all how you going to reason with a predator but say I'm not saying all men are predators
02:58:17
Abigailyour guys' logic why you wouldn't choose the man and you choose the bear because the bear is more predictable is why I would choose the man because I can predict there's like even if it is a 51%
02:58:29
Abigailchance a 51% chance that I'm going to be victimized that is way better odds than 100% or like even 99% chance that I'll get killed I feel like if you had a 51% chance that you were going to get
02:58:40
Josievictimized you would go with the odds that you're going to get victimized and you wouldn't talk to them in but that with that logic that is I'm scw versus 100% chance that I'm screwed 51% chance
02:58:51
Josieso you got a 49% chance that you won't be victimized I'm not agreeing with 100% but if you got a 51% chance you're going to be victimized by a man for sure
02:59:03
Josieand you know this is a statistic you're not going to talk to a man you're not you but you're probably not I'm choosing the man because the odds that I'm going to be victimized by a man is 51 you got
02:59:14
Abigailplease just speak into the mic straight on versus the I would say maybe 99% chance that I get victimized by a bear the odds are way higher for the bear I mean is so so you're saying it's 100% chance you're going to get victimized by
02:59:27
Abigaila bear and only a 51% chance you're going to get victim I'm using the 51% chance I would say it's way less I'm using your guys'
02:59:35
Palomastatistic goe go ahead hold it up it's going to be the 510 all right brown bear Kyle up to 9 ft tall 1300 lb claws up to 4 in by force 12
02:59:48
Brian Atlas1200 PSI Pelt for up to 5 in speed up to 35 mph K 510 175 174 lb project engineer said hi to you at the gym uh yeah my God if you had to choose between these two
03:00:01
Palomawhich do you pick the has a gun oh boy shot than Ma I man well I mean it could be worse
03:00:12
Palomathan what if Kyle manipulates you takes him into into takes you into his truck yeah what if and what if the bear hurts you you know we're all we're working with what if here Brian all
03:00:23
Brian Atlasright with a man like taught me all right so moving on to uh I'm just going to get through my like rapid fire questions here then we'll get into the pre-show notes so uh we're not even
03:00:36
Brian Atlaslet's see here uh are are are men or women physically stronger
03:00:55
JosieI got men men men
03:01:00
Josiemen men men men men obviously they have testosterone women have
03:01:12
Brian Atlasestrogen they didn't know women women also have testosterone just so you know yeah and so I'll read this chat have estrogen okay I'll wait until they're all back then uh we have Brian Burns
03:01:25
Brian Atlasusing the logic put forth by the women here they'd rather fall victim to a bare 100% of the time compared to the 51% probability of being victimized by a man
03:01:36
Brian Atlassad I mean not I who was the one who's saying was it the girl who just got up or someone was talking about anyways grid one Motorsport donated two
03:01:48
TTS$100 I double dog dare any of you strumpets to debate Mrs Rachel Wilson I know you do not have it in you but it will be entertaining to watch you make
03:01:58
Brian Atlasexcuses why you won't do it h yeah Rachel Wilson good debat her
03:02:06
Brian AtlasAndrew Wilson's esteemed wife uh wife got a Tik Tock brain
03:02:15
Brian Atlassituation uh okay I'll just wait for her to get back actually I'll just go into one of my uh hold on she's no
03:02:27
Brian Atlasshow uh Allison why don't you tell us the abandoning guy the whole abandoning a guy story okay so I've only this was before I became a Christian uh about four years
03:02:38
Allisonago so please keep that in mind on the way that I acted so I was like 22 years old and I was on Tinder and I enjoyed you know going to to bars and drinking
03:02:49
Allisonuh I you know I was in Wisconsin we drink a lot so I meet this guy and he meets me at a bar and when he meets me I'm drunk I'm very very
03:02:59
Allisonintoxicated and um he's like super into me and I tell uh my friend Liz who was my uh DD we should go to Wisconsin like I want this guy to meet my mom CU like I just
03:03:11
Allisonlike him so much and we're in Texas and he agrees to it so he gets in the car with me and my friend Liz she's driving to go uh meet my mom so we actually stop
03:03:23
Allisonat his mom's house I meet his mom keep in mind I'm very drunk okay like I would not be able to like probably walk by myself so I invite him with us so I meet his mom he packs a
03:03:35
Allisonsuitcase we get in the car and we're heading to Wisconsin well in about the bottom of Arkansas I started to so her up a bit and I'm like who's this guy in the back seat you know I'm like like what are we doing here and we've
03:03:47
Allisoncommitted to a trip and it's like 15 hours so I'm telling Liz I'm like we need to ditch this guy and she's like no way like that's so mean like you you know invited him you met his mom and like I'm like I don't care I was like I
03:03:58
Allisonliterally don't care well anyways we kept driving and Liz is like no that's messed up I just didn't feel safe so then we were in the bottom of Illinois it's about 11 hours outside of Texas he
03:04:10
Allisonwas taking turns driving I'm completely sober uh he went to a gas station uh to go get something to drink and and his suitcase was in the trunk but I jumped into the front seat and I like threw it
03:04:22
Allisonin reverse and I peeled off and I was like block him on everything right now and yeah we just blocked him and we left him in the bottom of Illinois uh but I think he had his phone in his wallet so
03:04:33
Allisonhe was good huh but she stole his luggage wild technically but I know lizz's parents did eventually get it back to them and uh my dad wasn't mad at
03:04:43
Andrew Wilsonme he was happy oh well I guess that makes it all all better then yeah yeah she's Christian now why there's why
03:04:56
Andrew Wilsonyeah I mean maybe hanging out with a tree is a better idea too not just talking to one I don't know well with the tree with the tree abandon you and in uh the bottom of Illinois I don't know I don't think it
03:05:07
Andrew Wilsonwould you don't think like men have done type things to women oh let's shift the burden over to Min again so she does something absolutely horrible and that's also men's fault right cuz they've done
03:05:19
Allisonhorrible things so therefore no accountability right can can two people suck at the same time men do bad things she did the bad thing exactly like I admitted that I did the bad thing I put myself in a bad dangerous situation and
03:05:32
Brian Atlasa stupid situation why would I bring him to meet my mom I was wasted one wait but how what uh you mentioned dangerous situation uh how long was he with you sounds like he was in the dangerous
03:05:42
Andrew Wilsonsituation he was no he was he was but I like well I thought too he's got bad judgment why would he get in the car with us well he made oh it's still it's his fault you know what a psycho he is what a what a lunatic this guy who
03:05:56
Andrew Wilsontrusted you and got in your car and did nothing to you who you abandoned and stole his luggage what I mean because you didn't feel safe what what kind of lud what what kind of man just get in car with two
03:06:08
Josierandom women well I was really always the man's fault always the man it's man it goes both ways it it goes both ways it's a two stre baby I didn't feel how
03:06:17
Josiedoes it go both ways in this situation I'm not saying that what like no no no I'm definitely not saying it's this man's fault in this situation I'm not agreeing but I'm saying to like hate on
03:06:29
Josieher like oh yeah no wonder why I rather talk to a tree uh uh like men have done all types of stuff to women too so it's not really like fair to say that's a what aboutism so what about the meno
03:06:42
Andrew Wilsonwhat about the meno right what about what the meno that's about okay great it's it's jail you can shift accountability off from her story and horrible things she did that she justifies by saying cuz I didn't feel
03:06:55
Allisonwhere are you debating this from against yourself I said I that it was before I was a Christian I was horrible I never put the blame on him I was the problem said you Justified it by saying that you didn't feel safe no I didn't she didn't
03:07:07
Allisonsay she I never said I didn't feel safe I said I put myself in a dangerous situation and you didn't feel safe I never said I didn't feel safe did I no you but that's okay you didn't feel safe it's not that was afraid of him it's that I put myself in a dangerous
03:07:20
Allisonsituation accountability in of itself I'm just saying I was I said it was before I was a Christian I did something really bad it was a horrible thing and that's how I opened up with it I'm not saying it's this guy's fault I felt bad
03:07:33
Allisonfor him but also I was a terrible person that's fair I mean have you ever said you were sorry to this guy um no because it was years later like when I realized how bad it was but no I I wish
03:07:44
AllisonI could Scott if you're watching this I am sorry she said apology safe and that's okay but that's not why I accountability I ditched him because I was a mean person back then and I didn't care about other people or how bad it put them out or
03:07:57
Allisonanything like that the world revolved around me what did you do for the rest of that weekend uh I went to Buddy O'Brien's house and went snowboarding and we did
03:08:09
Allisongo to my mom's and yeah wasn't so you weren't partied I mean yeah I was 21 year 21 22 years old was an idiot okay I lived for myself what is
03:08:21
Andrew Wilsonyour point Here Andrew there I I was just asking a followup question I was curious what she did that weekend what does that have to do with anything I'm sorry does every question need to lead to some kind of gotcha
03:08:33
Andrew Wilsonoutcome I or can I just ask kind of general questions what was the point what was the point of her story was also I was also just asking a general question yeah what was the point of her story probably to get that reaction I guess out of you don't you don't know
03:08:45
Andrew Wilsonyou don't know what the point of her story was I mean I got in halfway through so yeah so I don't know so so my question has to have a point her story doesn't dud I don't know I'm trying to follow the logic here oh man yo thank
03:08:56
Brian Atlasyou kale cial sorry if I was a little uh little tilted earlier my bad man um tilted Brian what does that mean what does that mean yeah what is that tilted it's a it's a video game term actually
03:09:07
Brian Atlasdating all the way back to pinball machines so when you used to play a pinball machine if you're like playing the game and you got frustrated people would literally tilt the game and so in a video game like if
03:09:19
Brian Atlasyou're H you keep losing matches or you're not getting good RNG you're not getting good luck in video game you can become frustrated it's video game term
03:09:30
Andrew Wilsontilted I have a question I'm glad I'm glad you turned it all around and that you don't do horrible things like that anymore I'm just I was just kind of curious play video games no no no to the
03:09:43
Allisontell the story wait so but you took his luggage I mean I wasn't thinking about that I thought it was my moment to ditch him Liz it was her car she was saying no and I just thought we're ditching this guy it was like I could not bring him to my
03:09:55
Allisonmom I won't Linger on did you guys go through his luggage yes we did like for to get stuff no we just wanted to see like what was in here and we found what did you find to okay you
03:10:07
Allisonknow like those little pills that you can buy at a gas station like rhinos yeah so I was like so he already thought because I gave off that impression so I
03:10:16
Brian Atlaswas like man like no [ __ ] way Fu no [ __ ] way that's why she left she like this man's got some big no way B pills I swear there's no way he had boner pills
03:10:27
Andrew Wilsonin he did and I told my dad you could call my I okay all right fine he had boner pills okay so but so he but he was under the impression you guys were going to go off for the weekend and smash
03:10:38
Allisonright probably if I invited him yeah I mean I'm guessing I was so drunk okay good a long time ago 9 years ago I've done something like that before and I felt bad why don't you tell us not too
03:10:50
Palomabad though tell tell us what happened well basically I was out at the club right so basically I was at the club and I met this old man who was
03:11:00
Brian Atlasbuying me and my dude some drinks um and then wait sorry did you say a man or what I I said I I met this man this older man who's buying me and
03:11:10
Palomathis dude some drinks um and then he like offered to give us me and my friends an Uber back home so you know he was going to give us an Uber back home and then I checked the address
03:11:22
Palomaand the address was actually to his hotel so so wait what did you do well I clocked him I said that is not our
03:11:30
Brian Atlasaddress change that [ __ ] put in our address Uber came he got in the car and then my friends kicked him out of the car I don't I actually don't think you did anything wrong there if as as
03:11:43
Brian Atlasexplained he was going to get you and Uber to your uh back to your place place right mhm but then he was trying to get you guys unbeknownst to you to his place I don't I think the panel can agree I
03:11:56
Palomadon't hear I don't think you did anything wrong that unless I'm misunderstanding something but thank you guys I was feeling guilty no why well the plan was to go back to your place right like the that well yeah but like
03:12:09
Palomait wasn't for him to come back to the place he was just supposed to get us in Uber to our house oh I think I see so you felt like I think he thought he was supposed to come hang out was he okay I
03:12:19
Brian Atlassort of understand so was was he um he was kind of just doing you like a simp nice thing just like he was going to pay for your you and your friend's Uber right and he maybe thought he was going
03:12:31
Palomato go hang out with you guys but then he told put the address to so to take all you guys to his address yeah originally he put it into his address and I was like no put it into our address and then I think he he
03:12:42
Palomathought he was going to come kick it with us and then they like start like they started screaming this in the Uber which I thought was a great were drunk everybody was drunk I'm assuming yeah but I also thought it was a smart move like they started screaming
03:12:55
Palomain the Uber and being like we don't know this dude and then they kicked out the dude oh poor guy yeah so yeah I'm saying from your guys's perspective like yeah maybe that was [ __ ] up but also no I think this was actually probably just
03:13:06
Palomalike a drunken mixup I think it was a smart thing to do on our end I mean if you didn't want to hang out with a guy I don't think there's anything wrong with telling him that she didn't want to hang out with a guy well I not hang out with
03:13:17
Brian Atlashim and she told him no let's talk about that it's a little different a little different um in any case okay let's let's go through the rapid fire
03:13:27
Brian Atlasquestions who is the primary victim of war men or women starting with you oh my God I'm going to need a minute to think about that let's not start with
03:13:39
Brian Atlasme plead the fifth how about no I I'll count to 10 no you're going up to start with something else okay uh start with
03:13:47
Lilianyou go ahead I'm going to go men on that one I'll say men men I think both but
03:13:54
Brian Atlasboth yeah I think both both both yeah looky men probably men okay now for those of you who said both assuming you
03:14:04
Josiehad to pick one or the other which do you pick so I man I mean I don't I can't really pick because I feel like I mean I don't want know if y'all want me to
03:14:15
Josieelaborate but I feel like the women are suffering just as much if the men are at War and they're dying and the women got to hold pick up the pieces of all that you know and then raise
03:14:26
Josiechildren by themselves and all that then I mean they're both really victims I would say both are victims but he asked who's the primary victim primary I mean I think both like just cuz you're dead I
03:14:38
Josiemean there's children now growing up with fathers and all that and but you get to watch them grow up okay let me get your answer so and then we're talking about like literal War right not this like metaphor yeah so you said both
03:14:49
Brian Atlasif you had to pick which um statistically I don't know I mean what like I don't know if you look it up it'd probably be men okay so going back to your point you're saying well it's both
03:15:00
Brian Atlasbecause well the men are dead but the women it's tragic they've lost their husband their father yeah you don't know what to do whatever it is keep it going
03:15:11
Josiebut wouldn't you agree that when it comes to being a victim of something being really really sad isn't as bad as being dead I mean what's the emotional
03:15:23
Josietrauma being passed down now on to these Generations through these men being dead I mean sure they're the primary victims are they are they the primary victims I don't know like cuz now you go to war
03:15:34
Josienow let's say your grandpa goes to war your dad goes to war your uncles go to war now your grandma and your mom is Raising let's say five six seven children and you can't even raise these kids like I don't know like and and
03:15:47
Josiethese kids don't have any fathers in their life so are they really the I mean the men sure they died they went to war and fought and died but there's still a victim you let me ask you a different
03:15:57
Brian Atlasquestion if somebody has cancer M and then they die of cancer are they the primary victim well of course or are that's cancer that's a disease I think it's different yeah but but you still
03:16:08
Andrew Wilsonhave to pick up the pieces and you have emotional trauma true all the same all the same side effects right well are you when you say primary victim are you talking about like phys physically like
03:16:18
Brian Atlasokay obviously the men who go to war in totality I'm not making any differentiation between I feel you have this situation no not really uh well the
03:16:29
Josiequestion is in totality I feel like it goes both ways I think I think I think he made a good point with the cancer thing I do think he did make a good point with that speaking of which we didn't get your
03:16:39
Abigailanswer to the question both both okay I would um I would ask who would you rather be a man in war a woman at home stuck with you know picking up the
03:16:50
Josiepieces I mean you're asking a woman from her point of view what I would rather be I mean I don't know that's a fair question just what situation would you rather find yourself in I mean I wouldn't even want to be a man
03:17:02
Andrew Wilson[Music] so okay then then we'll just ask it this way would you rather go fight the wars
03:17:10
Josiewhile the men stayed at home I mean if I was physically um more no just as right now huh as you are right now as I am
03:17:21
Andrew Wilsonright now but I want to fight a war definitely not yeah definitely not uh so I don't think anybody wants to fight War do you think so let's assume for a second that you're happily married okay
03:17:32
Andrew Wilsonand your husband has like a a busted leg okay and you get drafted and you get sent off to war and he stays home and while you're in the war and there's blood and guts everywhere and you're watching your friends get you know
03:17:44
Andrew Wilsonsniped and all this other stuff and you hang on and you die is is your husband as much of a victim as you if wait wait wait I'm sorry so my
03:17:55
Josiehusband's like a stay-at home yeah cuz I don't know what happened I got drafted okay he much a victim yeah I think so I think now he's got to pick up the
03:18:04
Andrew Wilsonpieces yeah he's got he's of just as much of a victim of War as I am I think great in his next in his next marriage he can be like he can sit down and be like oh man I've had it rough my wife
03:18:16
Andrew Wilsondied in a war and I'm as much of a victim as she is po him and so you know really that's what you think that's the point of view yeah well think about
03:18:27
Josiea woman I mean if a woman has sit there and her man died and now she's got to go on with that I mean who was to even say like she goes and remarries but let's say she does I mean I'm not saying she's not going to have like emotional Trauma
03:18:40
Andrew Wilsonfrom it I'm just asking do you really think that she's the primary victim here I think she's most I mean a primary victim yeah I think so I mean but that's just my opinion well then how come how
03:18:52
Josiecome your husband wouldn't be the primary victim if said he was I just said he would have been I mean oh he would your h i mean I said both like my my was my answer to the question wasn't man or woman it was I feel like both are
03:19:04
Josieso that's my answer it's not that I don't think you can choose a primary is what she say yeah exactly I don't think like that I think they're very much equally primary victims of war that's what I think they're equally primary
03:19:16
Josievictims there's a war going on just like cancer if if my husband dies of cancer I feel like I'm primarily a victim of cancer it took my husband now I have to sit here and pick up the pieces of that
03:19:27
Andrew Wilsonso now that makes me somewhat a victim as well like I had to deal with that maybe just because I don't have so so if you could choose if your husband if your husband had cancer or you had cancer you
03:19:38
Josiecould choose which one would you choose what if like if we had to choose which one had to have cancer I mean I I think being a right person you'd always choose yourself so I guess I would choose
03:19:49
Josiemyself I wouldn't want you choose yourself I would want I mean but but but but would you be victimizing him a bit I mean yeah but he would be a victim if he chose him it' be the same way vice versa
03:20:01
Brian Atlasif I wanted to do it and he wanted you know so okay yeah well I have a couple clarifying questions on this one so when it comes to some of you said both does
03:20:12
Brian Atlasanybody here think it's women or is it both more okay so I'd like to perhaps break this down into a couple different
03:20:21
Brian Atlasconflicts so uh and I want to bre break it down geographically so the United States for World War
03:20:30
Brian AtlasI who's the primary victim of War of the US population during World War I men or women or is it both wait say again um
03:20:41
Josieokay world I well you're saying the primary victim of war in World War World War World War yeah does that change your answer at all for those of you who said both well it I mean who was the primary victim who who
03:20:52
Josiehad the most casualties was obviously men and probably young men at that but um you know uh does that mean the women weren't victims in World War I yes they definitely were they had a okay pick up
03:21:03
Brian Atlasthe pieces the the women had to pick up okay your answer you said both right okay for World War I what's your answer for the for us men uh for us men I think
03:21:16
Lilianum well since I said both I feel like men it's more physical like physical trauma and for the women it would be more mental and I'm not saying that word doesn't have for the women yeah well I mean it's just cuz like say your like husband died and that's like the love of
03:21:29
Josieyour life and like you love that man and he dies and it's like oh like that's like and I believe been in World War I or no I guess was probably more like World War II where it was like the economy went really bad and women were the ones who had to carry the economy
03:21:42
Brian Atlaswhile men were at War you know so just to be clear on on the World War II note that you just FR up I know they had to get up and like go work yeah but it's not because women didn't have rights before those victims that's why they
03:21:54
Brian Atlasgave us rights because they couldn't wear they just to be clear you said women didn't there's a lot I mean they did they did have more some rights but they they have the right to vote and so wait just to be clear just to be clear
03:22:06
Josiewomen you're say your argument is women didn't have the right to vote during World War to I mean I can't I can't remember the year if it was the 30s 40s or 50s that women were what year did women get the right to vote I don't know was it the 50s or was it the 30 here let
03:22:19
Josieme ask you a different question what year what what decade was World War I it was in the 1910s right well done what years were
03:22:31
JosieWorld War II it was the 19 the late 1920s 1930s I believe wasn't it or didn't it start it it all started like Nazi Germany all that started around
03:22:42
Josielike the 20s the early 20s so I can't give you exact dates I can't remember I mean you said late 30s so you're no no I said late 20s early 30s right wasn't it not late TW
03:22:55
Brian Atlaslate 30s is correct late 20s for World War II not so much uh so okay women got the right okay World War I 1914 to 198 women got the right to vote 1920 World
03:23:05
JosieWar II 1939 1945 right okay so there you go uh you know you said that the women I know I know women weren't really working at in during World War up until that
03:23:17
Brian Atlastime so I know that that's when women became in the workforce more was during World War II women having to be involved in the war effort during World War II is a bigger level of suffering and
03:23:29
Josievictimization than the men who had to go I mean what are the women having to deal with like they they you they have to raise listen listen they have to raise families they have to work they have no
03:23:40
Andrew Wilsonhelp there the economy is super poor so these women areem conditions I'll explain the conditions to you to women they had to go into factories sometimes for up to 8 hours a
03:23:51
Josieday oh and work listen no no no no no and their husbands are at Jil sorry their husbands are at War they're at home taking care of CH all the children all the bills the economy is super poor
03:24:04
Josiethe economy is super horrible we're in the Great Depression right the Great Depression is in the 30s so the great wasn't it in the 30 early depression yeah well maybe that was so hang on hang
03:24:17
Andrew Wilsonon hang on man I know some history what would be the distinction wait what what would be the distinction now between a single mom getting up and going to work she like I
03:24:26
Andrew Wilsondon't get it if if the the victim there's they're victims because they had to look after their own children which they would have to do anyway and they
03:24:36
Josiehad to work no they're victims of war because the economy because their men are not there they're at War their husbands are
03:24:48
Josiedying their fathers are dying their uncles Brothers sons are dying that's emotionally traumatizing I know during the World War II economy was not that great I believe I maybe I'm wrong I don't know maybe I'm wrong maybe the
03:25:00
Josieeconomy was great but I thought it wasn't from what I thought but I've got a couple questions here so I mean those poor women they had to they had to go work it's not about
03:25:12
Andrew Wilsonworking there's an emotional trauma and women are way it's way more emot traumatizing to deal with the death rather than getting blown up yourself I'm not saying like the men aren't victims so let me let me let me
03:25:25
Brian Atlasgive just throw out a couple statistics here so 16 million Americans served in the United States armed forces during
03:25:33
Brian AtlasWorld War II there were uh almost 300,000 were killed 670,000 were wounded almost exclusively men yeah there were
03:25:44
Brian Atlasalso 130 or excuse me 130,000 American prisoners of War of whom uh 116,000 returned home after the war now
03:25:56
Brian Atlaslet's also make an assumption here and maybe uh Andrew I know if you can help me search this what percentage of uh of the serving military men were
03:26:07
Brian Atlasmarried because typically they are drafting 1819 20 21 year olds I know people got married much younger then I don't know if they have statistics on that let's just for the sake let's just
03:26:18
Brian Atlasfor the sake of argument say that a majority of the men were not married didn't have children didn't have a significant other didn't have a
03:26:26
Brian Atlasgirlfriend so the sort of second I shouldn't okay in my view the secondary victims would be who the it's estimated
03:26:36
Brian Atlasit's estimated um be right about 46% were married 46% okay so a minority but still a lot right still a lot okay but
03:26:46
Brian Atlaslet's talk about then that majority of men who were single who were not married if we talk about them we look at them they I assume they only had a
03:26:57
Brian Atlasmother and a father if they're the ones that go and die and they don't have a significant other to mourn for them wouldn't the hold on let me finish my
03:27:08
Brian Atlaspoint Grandma let me finish my point wouldn't you said okay you said Mom grandma sister younger brother father Uncle you you do realize that the
03:27:21
Brian AtlasSuffering The the secondary suffering that you're alluding to that is experienced by family members is equally shared by the genders the mother loses a
03:27:30
Josieson the father loses a son mhm so assuming the these majority of men I think it's wrong to like think that women aren't just as much as victims but
03:27:41
Brian Atlasokay men are more victims but hold on so just actually engage with the scenario I'm giving you here of the single men who had let's assume they had a mom and a father who were living and let's say
03:27:54
Brian Atlasthey had no siblings and he was just the mom and the father and then that boy man whatever went to war and he died his mom is going to co uh his mom is going to
03:28:05
Brian Atlasgrieve his father's going to grieve and mourn in that scenario who's the primary victim of War um I mean
03:28:14
Josiedefinitely the guy I guess but I mean who's to who's to say that the emotional impact in physical and financial impact
03:28:24
Brian Atlasdoesn't reflect just as much in the family right but okay so hold on let's I'm I'm trying to look at this from a math perspective here I just got to ask
03:28:34
Andrew Wilsonthis real fast who's the primary victim in an abortion the mother of the fetus oh man fetus I'm not going to speak on this one
03:28:45
Andrew Wilsonthis is I'm just asking you who's the primary victim the mother of the fetus I don't know an abortion yeah um probably the baby I mean I don't know
03:28:57
Josiedepends I feel like how I feel like I feel like I'm definitely Pro woman's choice so I'm not going to sit here all right let me let me we can come to that later we can come to that later so
03:29:08
Brian Atlasokay if there's one mother if there's one father and there's one male who dies mhm and if this is the
03:29:18
Josiemajority of the men that were involved in World War II that lived in the United States but okay okay but it just cuz they were single doesn't mean that they didn't have children or anything you
03:29:30
Josiedon't probably if they weren't married they probably didn't have children in this time period I would say yes and no you know I agree with you no no I agree with you because during that time obviously yes but does that mean they
03:29:43
Brian Atlasdidn't have children wait hold on but the children gender of the children of these men who had children out of wedlock 50% were boys and 50% were
03:29:54
Josiegirls okay what like the children the babies yeah yeah so what does that have to do with who's a victim these children are now growing up with no father I don't even
03:30:05
Brian Atlasunderstand I don't even understand your argument here because the child could be a boy or a girl the framework of the question is who's the primary victim of
03:30:16
Brian Atlasor men or women so if it's a boy child and if it's a female child and this is equally distributed then this doesn't help your argument that it's
03:30:26
Brian Atlasboth it does no because it does actually fine I I'll Grant you let's say he had two children out of wedlock he has one
03:30:35
Brian Atlasfather one mother one boy and one girl that's still an extra man who's dead who is the primary victim of War everybody in amazing
03:30:48
Brian Atlasso I don't even know how to actually argue this I'm just going to if Andrew if you I'm going to defer to you because I can't even I was just going to say if the baby is the primary victim in an
03:31:01
Andrew Wilsonabortion what is the deciding factor that makes the baby the primary victim and not the mother mother's health how far along the fetus is yeah hang on I'm asking I'm asking the uh the gal here she was the
03:31:14
Andrew Wilsonone who gave the answer that she thought that the baby was the primary victim if that's the case what is the deciding factor as to why the baby's the the victim the primary victim and not the mother I mean what would you what you
03:31:24
Josiethink I feel like I can't really answer this question because it's not really something I want to speak on for one and two I'm Pro like people just make their choices like I do what I what I would do
03:31:37
Josiepersonally I don't put on to what the next person could do so what I feel like would be um wrong I'm not going to judge somebody else so you know what I'm saying like and so I'm not going to answer the
03:31:50
Josiequestion for that reason what I feel like my opinion is on the answer I don't want to give it because it's a very political question and I okay well let's let's try it a different way you would
03:31:59
Josieagree that aborting at 9 months would be that would be bad right you would at least agree that that's true I mean I yeah the baby's full grown full term
03:32:11
Andrew Wilsonyeah yeah yeah so if the mother had the abortion then who would be the primary victim scared me about I mean why did the mother do it like why she didn't want it anymore she just didn't want it okay then the baby
03:32:24
Andrew Wilsoncuz now you're just being selfish bab so what would make so what would make the baby the primary victim I mean you carried a baby fullterm to where it should would it be the a baby could live outside the womb at this point so it
03:32:36
Josiedoesn't even need to be in in your you know so at that point if you get an abortion then sure but I don't really want to speak on abortion because yeah it's not my place I don't think all right I think well do you have something
03:32:49
Abigailquick cuz yeah pretty quick I think the point he was trying to get at is the baby's the primary Victim Because the baby's dying and so he was going to turn that over to men in war dying and saying
03:33:00
Abigailthat if you use that logic for abortion it can be applied to this scenario like comparing app and oranges like War to abortion like it's two different things war is a a very like you can compare
03:33:11
Andrew Wilsonthings that are very different yeah there's no there's there's never a comparison which is going to be exact what we're trying to just do is just test the logic for perceived victimhood so in this case in War I think I
03:33:23
Andrew Wilsonunderstand what you're saying you're saying that there's a bunch of external factors uh which could make women also victims in war which would include things like emotional damage trauma uh psychological intergenerational trauma
03:33:37
Andrew Wilsonwhich could happen because you lost Grandpa when you were a kid all these different factors uh which could possibly go into this okay but if we're looking even though we have all these correlates for different factors of victimhood I would still say there's
03:33:50
Andrew WilsonPrimary correlates in this case I would say the primary correlate is death and so I would ask that even in an abortion I would assume that this type of trauma and stuff like this at 9 months would
03:34:00
Josiealso exist for women so why would the baby be the primary victim that's the question yeah I don't really want to speak on the abortion okay she doesn't
03:34:12
Brian Atlaswant to engage on that that's fine um I will just really quick last thing here uh Nick you know that Ukraine split screen that we have I'll have you pull that up no no no not yet not yet okay
03:34:24
Brian Atlasit's okay I should have been more clear um so okay you guys are all familiar with the Ukraine conflict correct oh actually wait let before I do that ask her if a
03:34:35
Josiewoman goes to war who's the primary victim of War if we switched it let's I already answered this question oh did you yeah with you you said the same thing you said if if some your husband got his leg blown off
03:34:47
Josieand you had to go and you got what's the word whatever to war and you had to fight would he be the victim too I mean I already stated that I think both are the victims okay
03:34:58
Brian Atlasso there's a very recent conflict the Ukraine Russia conflict uh so this one's an interesting one uh because it's much more
03:35:09
Brian Atlasrecent we've all uh we're all familiar with it I'm assuming so Ukraine is kind of the perfect microcosm of the
03:35:19
Brian Atlasinconsistency inherent in feminism women are the equals of men until the bombs start to drop now I'll ask you once more for everybody
03:35:32
Brian Atlaswho said it's both in the Ukraine conflict who's the primary victim of war men or women starting with you I am not familiar enough on this situation or educated enough on this situation to speak on
03:35:44
Brian Atlasit like just plain and simple but you were able to for the previous question you I don't know what's going I I don't know what's going on I you are familiar that there is a war in Ukraine correct
03:35:56
Palomaokay yes mhm so are you asking specific to that are you asking specific to that war mhm I don't know what's going on in that
03:36:08
Brian Atlaswar if I'm going you said both you said both uh does your answer change at all when it comes to Ukraine um who's the the primary victim at war with the Ukraine of the Ukraine war men or women
03:36:18
Brian Atlaswomen aren't women fighting in that war there are C there are some women I guess whoever the mean let's assume let's assume that 5% of the military is female go ahead and answer the question
03:36:31
Josiearen't the citizens fighting the war as well not just the military aren't the citizens of Ukraine fighting the war not just the military so then it would be both cuz they're both fighting uh somebody I mean there I I think both
03:36:42
Andrew Wilsonregardless of if the woman is fighting or not so no civilians aren't really fighting in the war no there's some incidences of that but it's it's it's primarily the two military forces and civilians are
03:36:54
Andrew Wilsondoing what they usually do in war and supporting the military operations uh via support
03:37:02
Lilianroles then I guess the primary victim would be whoever's the biggest bigger statistic which I I don't know it's I mean that's what he was proving that's what he's trying to make his whole point this whole time I mean it's
03:37:13
Andrew Wilsonoverwhelmingly men who are dying in the war for sure but that's every war it's overwhelmingly men who are dying in every war doesn't doesn't matter if it's that conflict or different probably
03:37:24
Lilianmen not the men that are fighting in it yeah definitely not you know war is those are the men we man's game well I mean War like affects everybody that I mean it's going to hurt families it's
03:37:36
Liliangoing to hurt children and everyone so I feel like there's not really you can't even compare two different types of pain because if someone's staying at home they're still going to be hurt and affected by the people are fighting in
03:37:45
Lilianthe war like if my like say like son gets drafted I'm not I'm going to like feel the pain of that just as much as he might be feeling the physical pain so I feel like again it's both because you can't really compare physical and mental
03:37:57
Allisonpain but that really wasn't the question the question was who is the primary like it's like mental gymnastic are not understand we're saying both it's exactly you guys are simply just
03:38:10
Josienot answer you guys because we're giving why we feel like it's both and we're saying it's it's not just a physic aspect it's also an emotional aspect that and not just that but it's a lot of other things that you know women have to
03:38:22
Josiepick the pieces up on in war and so that doesn't make that makes them less of a victim cuz they didn't die in it like I don't I agree with that that's just my that's my opinion so I'll just kind of where I'm going here with the Ukraine
03:38:34
Brian Atlasconflict I don't know did you weigh in on this did you give a I mean yeah I guess both still both okay I'm going to say both so let me I I'll just give you guys an additional information and see if it changes your mind at all
03:38:46
Brian Atlasso at the breakout of the war there was a decree by the Ukrainian government that required all military age men in fact even very old men so all men
03:38:58
Brian Atlasbetween the ages of 18 I believe to either 60 or 65 had to remain in the country they could not flee they had to stay whereas women and children could
03:39:09
Brian Atlasleave and in fact a great many women millions of women fleed Ukraine they were not compelled to join the military or anything like that in the same way
03:39:17
Brian Atlasthat men wore knowing this additional information this inequality that the men had to stay I think if they got caught
03:39:26
Brian Atlasthey could face punishment they could uh go to jail fines Etc knowing just this additional piece of
03:39:35
Josieinformation does that change your answer at all um sure a little bit I I said sure a little bit I think yeah I guess like that would make them more of a
03:39:44
Josievictim but makes them a victim of their own country and you know politics and a victim of their own country but their country country of course which it's and
03:39:55
Josieif the wartime policy if the wartime policy is to allow every single woman in the country can't leave you're you're being I mean then that's America does it too so there's a draft and you have to
03:40:05
Liliango if they say you got to go I mean you're that sucks like that like that does it change your answer at all knowing this extra piece of information I mean I kind of have the same feeling like men are the more of the victim of
03:40:17
Brian Atlasphysical pain because like even if it's vice versa like if the men if the men were staying home wait do you think war is strictly physical injury have you heard about this you heard about shell
03:40:29
Brian Atlasshock it's PTSD I understand have you heard of shell shock yes I understand that okay so why do you keep going to this well in the Physical Realm men suffer more cuz if you go onto a Warfield versus stay at home like how
03:40:41
Lilianare you like are you more likely to get like bombed yeah like physical pain like if you walk out into mind field staying at home I guess where I'm confused here is you're saying well men on the
03:40:51
Brian AtlasPhysical Realm are they have it worse but in the psych psychological mental that's terrible no one can like but so I I don't really because you say both so
03:41:01
Brian Atlasit's if you say both wouldn't you follow your argument up from well men on this hand have it worse but women on this hand have it worse but I failed to see On which hand women have it worse when
03:41:14
Brian Atlasit comes to war I wouldn't say worse it's just bad it's war is bad there's no good War there's no let me ask a question if somebody stole $5 from you versus somebody stole your entire life
03:41:26
Brian Atlassavings I don't know how much your life maybe it's $5 it's doesn't matter but which one would be worse definitely life savings
03:41:35
Lilianokay because of the magnitude in which someone has deprived you of your belongings in this case your money yeah comparing that to the men in war is that
03:41:47
Brian Atlasthe static well if a woman gets trips and falls and get a boo boo you know well I mean like versus a man gets uh gets a shell impaled through his body
03:41:57
Lilianyeah that blows one's worse than the other but like his kids at home like it's just as bad like his kid I mean it's not no no no it's not just as bad I take it back but the kids at home are still going to like feel [ __ ] the mom's going to feel [ __ ] so yes I don't disagree with you so I guess argu
03:42:10
Lilianarguably men would have it statistically worse but it that okay now I'm going to change my answer because men statistically would have it worse but okay I guess my point is that
03:42:22
Palomathe people at home are still going to feel that too and then what about you yeah I'd agree I mean it sounds like you're coming from a physical standpoint so physically no I'm speaking in
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Palomatotality okay yeah I mean arguably because they experience both mental pain and physical pain I would say statistically yeah but I'm not
03:42:43
Abigailtaking away from those where suffering back at home as well everyone was a victim nobody ever denied that that the women aren't victims of war abely primary women absolutely suffer but to
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Lauren Rosesthank you Abigail to the original question was who is the primary that means there can be a secondary I still think it's situational I think it could be situational if like if the man got killed and then the son like let's say a
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Lauren Roseswoman had a son and then he like went in a spiral and died too I think that the mother would be the prim men still if she has a son wouldn't and still be the primary victim that's that's a
03:43:19
Josiemale what if she she does the same thing she spiral on my dad died in war I'm not I hate life now that's my dad I love my dad but
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Brian Atlaswouldn't she then be secondary wouldn't she be a secondary Victim Because her father was the primary VI primary victim
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Abigailso I would like to say so yes you have a whole family that's losing their father um as he goes off to war but you have the father that's losing his whole family as he goes off to war they are at
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Palomahome he's at War they have each other he has himself it's exactly why we're saying both anyways uh there's one Nick can you pull up that photo of Ukraine then we'll move it on when you said um when you said the whole statement about
03:44:03
Brian Atlas$5 versus life savings were you comparing life savings to death is that what what it was I wasn't I wasn't were you try to more of an analogy I guess
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Palomaanalogy was compar in obviously death is worse than losing your life savings obviously but what I'm asking is when you did that analogy is it worse to lose $5 or is it worth to lose your life savings, yeah whatever life savings is
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Palomawhat you were saying were you saying life were you trying to kind of compare losing obviously not compare but was your analogy with life savings you know well when you trying to say I don't understand your question I'm sorry when
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Brian Atlasyou brought up that analogy what was your point what were you trying to prove I was trying to I guess differentiate by
03:44:49
Brian Atlasdegrees of harm degrees of hurt so for example if somebody stole $5 from me I'd be upset for like 30 seconds okay if I went and saw my bait you know looked at
03:45:01
Brian Atlasmy bank statements and saw that all my money had been drained the degree of like anxiety response I would have the degree of and assuming it's like unretrievable like it's gone I've lost my money I am like distraught there's
03:45:14
Brian Atlaslegit concerns over can I rent can I do like that so so there's bigger ramifications so life savings drained what was the comparison to the you know men in War I
03:45:26
Andrew Wilsonjust explained it to you no I'm asking what was the comparison I don't understand the life savings he's giv he's giving a scal scalability right so like an order of operations to
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Andrew Wilsonscalability if I steal a penny from you it's going to affect you less and if I steal five bucks from you it's going to affect you less and if I steal 100 it's affect you less than if I steal a thousand etc etc right so on a scale of
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Andrew Wilsonyou know how much you've been victimized you would say if somebody stole five bucks from you it would victimize you less than if they stole your entire life saving so he's saying the ultimate thing here though is your life at the end of
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Palomathe day that is your life so meaning that the man the hypothetical man War has passed away meaning the hypothetical man in war has passed away your life meaning the hypothetical man in war has
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Palomapassed away right so in that that situation I think the other person is a bigger Victim Because the man has passed away he's no longer experiencing mental trauma the the man has passed away he
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Josieexperienced death which obviously is horrible but now the people at home the woman yeah they have to carry they car they have to carry on with that and they have to go teach their their children
03:46:35
Andrew Wilsonand their so that's why I'm saying this question is situational because so then so then by this logic then you think it's better to be dead uh than be alive
03:46:45
Andrew Wilsonwith trauma sometimes sometimes honestly yeah and are all of you traumatized are all of us traumatized like in general so if yeah are you
03:46:57
Andrew Wilsonhaven't you experienced trauma isn't a psychologic and aren't you living with trauma then why aren't you unal living because maybe it's not that deep it's situational like I don't know why you can't understand that it's I agree it's