FERAL Feminist RAGE QUITS?! Andrew Wilson HEATED DEBATE! House Of The Strumpet! | Dating Talk #170
Date: 2024-06-17
Duration: 8h 37m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_02Lauren Roses(guest)
SPEAKER_03Lauren Roses (mixed)(guest)
SPEAKER_04Allison(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Abigail(guest)
SPEAKER_08Grace(guest)
SPEAKER_09Paloma(guest)
SPEAKER_10Kay(guest)
SPEAKER_11Lilian(guest)
SPEAKER_12Josie(guest)
SPEAKER_14Lauren Roses (mixed)(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:39
IntroKay introduces herself: 27yo, Indiana, OnlyFans.
“my name is Kay I am 27 and I am from Indiana and I do only fans”
00:04:37
IntroLauren Roses introduces herself: 31yo, cortisean at Moonlight Bunny Ranch, Tantra/hypnotherapy.
“I am a student and I um I am a cortisen at the moonlight bunny ranch my name is Lauren roses”
00:09:34
IntroLilian introduces herself: 19yo, student/music producer. Mentions she had a funeral this morning.
“my name is Lilian I'm 19 and my occupation I guess I'm a student and a music producer”
00:10:31
QuoteLilian reveals she attended her friend's funeral the morning of the show. Friend (musician, 20s) died the previous day.
“I had a funeral this morning for my very good friend may he rest in peace”
00:13:47
IntroJosie introduces herself: 25yo, singer/songwriter/model from Wisconsin, lives in LA.
“my name's Josie... I'm an artist a hustler um singer song writer model... I'm 25”
00:14:29
IntroGrace introduces herself: 18yo, sociology/psychology at UCSB.
“my name is Grace I'm 18 I'm studying sociology at UCSB right now”
00:14:52
IntroAllison introduces herself: 30yo, tech company, grew up Wisconsin, lives Texas.
“my name's Allison I'm 30 and I work for a technology company”
00:15:14
IntroAbigail introduces herself: 20yo, leasing agent, coaches boys gymnastics.
“I'm Abigail I'm 20 and I'm a leasing agent and occasionally I coach boys gymnastics”
01:03:52
QuoteJosie says she wants man to pay all her bills (~$3000+/month). Brings 'my pretty self' to the table.
“my R 2500 my my car payment like 300 uh um... my phone bill is like 200... if you can't do that I don't need to waste my time”
01:05:58
QuoteJosie states her contribution to a relationship: 'my pretty self'.
“my pretty self that's what I bring I know that's right and I'm pretty so”
01:13:02
ControversyBrian calls panel one of the most 'feral' he's had. Paloma pushes back strongly.
“this is one of the most [feral] panels... these two girls are 2 hours late my friend died”
02:00:32
IntroAndrew Wilson joins via call-in. Greets panel. Happy Father's Day message.
“hello everybody how are you doing hey my name is Andrew Wilson”
04:19:30
OtherPaloma rage quits after refusing to answer feminist identity question. Leaves show at ~4:27.
“I'm actually going to go but you guys have a great night... not a rage quit it's a rage quit”
04:36:20
QuoteJosie rates herself 10/10/10 face/body/total. Says 'I think I may be perfect'.
“10 all the way around 10 yeah... I think I may be perfect”
04:51:30
QuoteJosie's BBL backstory: intentionally gained ~20 lbs to harvest fat for BBL. Paid for it herself.
“I was really skinny I actually had to gain weight I had to gain like 20 PBS to get the procedure”
06:16:47
QuoteLauren Roses reveals body count is approximately 1,100 over 10 years of courtesan work.
“I have 1,100 that's I think more than last time cuz I cuz I yeah... I've been doing this for 10 years”
Topics Discussed
00:00:14
Intro & housekeeping
Brian's show intro: announcements, TTS rates, merch, Twitch plug, disclaimer. Notes late start due to no-shows.
00:03:39
Guest introductions
Panel members introduce name/age/location/occupation in order: Kay, Paloma, Lauren Roses, Lilian (mentions friend's funeral), Josie, Grace, Allison, Abigail. Andrew Wilson announced as joining later.
00:11:11
Lilian's friend's funeral
Discussion about Lilian attending a friend's (young musician, 20s) funeral the same morning. Brian skeptical of same-day funeral (unusual); Lilian explains friend had no family present at informal gathering.
00:16:00
Relationship status round
Each guest describes their relationship status, longest relationship, and recent dating history. Includes Paloma's situationship, Lauren's courtesan work as 'relationships', Josie's divorce and son, Abigail's marriage.
01:03:00
Josie's financial requirements for men
Josie itemizes ~$3000+/month in bills she expects a partner to pay. Says she brings 'my pretty self' to the table. Abigail and Brian challenge the logic.
01:05:00
Modern dating & social media discussion
Guests discuss how social media and OnlyFans have changed dating. Lauren on media training for entertainers. Lilian and Allison on pornography effects on young minds.
01:16:11
'Feral' comment and panel tension
Brian calls this 'one of the most feral panels' he's had. Paloma objects, accuses Brian of interrogating Lilian's friend's death. Heightened tension between Paloma and Brian.
02:00:32
Andrew Wilson joins (call-in)
Andrew Wilson joins via Callin app for Father's Day. Introduces himself to panel. Notes it's been hectic show from what he heard.
02:08:20
Man vs. bear question
Chat donation prompts 'man vs bear in the woods' discussion. Guests debate whether they'd rather encounter a strange man or a bear alone in the woods. Various takes; Lauren and Allison provide nuanced responses.
03:00:00
Gender roles and feminism debate
Andrew Wilson leads debate asking each guest if they identify as feminist (using charitable definition: rejection of patriarchy for equality). Allison strongly anti-feminist (Christian complementarian). Josie non-committal. Others mixed.
04:16:50
Paloma rage quit
Paloma walks off show at ~4:27 after refusing to answer feminist identity question. Says she's 'not obligated to argue.' Brian and Andrew confirm it's a rage quit.
04:20:00
Biblical canon debate
Josie mentions Book of Enoch. Andrew Wilson and Allison debate which books belong in the Bible, Protestant vs. Orthodox canons, whether God has sovereignty over scripture selection.
04:36:20
Ratings round
Guests rate themselves on face/body/total (1-10 scale, no 7s allowed). Josie goes first: 10/10/10. Lilian: 8/6. Grace: 6/7.5/6. Allison: 6/7.5/6. Abigail: 8/6/6. Also round of 'prettiest in room' votes.
05:00:00
Breast implant discussion
Lilian says she wants breast implants despite having 32D. Josie discusses her BBL and implants. Allison regrets her breast augmentation pre-Christianity. Grace and Brian push back on body modification.
06:16:20
Body count round
Going around the table: Lauren reveals 1,100 over 10 years. Grace ~2. Allison single digits. Grace's 'under 20' caveat. Andrew Wilson reaction to 1,100.
06:20:00
Racism and can minorities be racist
Discussion of whether only white people can be racist vs. anyone can be racist. Josie takes 'only white people' position. Brian and Andrew challenge this.
07:08:00
Bumble swiping segment
Guests swipe through Bumble profiles. Lilian and Grace shown profiles; mostly rejected. Lauren also participates. Age preferences discussed (Lilian: 19-23; Grace: 18-21).
08:27:00
Show wrap-up
Brian thanks Andrew Wilson for ~6 hours of debate. Raid to Andrew Wilson's channel for 100K subscriber push.
Transcript
Page 5 of 10
03:47:10
Andrew Wilsonsituational but what I'm saying to you is that it's it's beyond obvious to me that people would much rather live with trauma than be dead that seems obvious to it's not because a lot of people K
03:47:23
Palomathemselves every year how many people choose to live with trauma rather than uning actually a lot of people pass away from self-inflicted injuries because of the trauma they've been a lot a lot of people kill
03:47:34
Josiethemselves a lot of people whole lot more people live with trauma then un alive themselves but a lot still unive themselves like what What statistic like can you pulled that out of and say like yeah these people live with trauma like
03:47:48
Andrew Wilsonyou're just saying St so therefore can you just like say that see let's just see if we can agree if it's obvious or not how many women as a percentage as a percentage do you
03:47:59
Andrew Wilsonthink live with with significant trauma over 20% yes if it's over do you think that women are commit are uning themselves at a rate of
03:48:10
Josie20% I mean I don't know the percentage but I know that you go people want to kill themselves every year goes up no they're not which means people are dealing with a lot of trauma
03:48:21
Andrew Wilsonand they don't want to live with it if you lost 20% of a population in a war it would be the biggest blood bath known to me 20% is
03:48:31
Andrew Wilsonastronomical we're talking about astronomical numbers there's no way it should be completely obvious to you that there's no [ __ ] way 20% of women un alive themselves due to trauma that's that's just insane
03:48:45
Palomano there's no way you're the one who said that said that you're the one who brought up 20% we didn't know what you meant by high in America and I know every you're not listening to the logic right you
03:48:57
Andrew Wilsontalk more than you listen and yet I've been sitting here listening not talking so the thing is is um what I asked specifically was this question do you think that uh more women un alive
03:49:10
Andrew Wilsonthemselves due to trauma or live with the trauma and she's like well I don't know okay well if that's the case do you think that at least more than 20% of
03:49:18
Josiewomen experience significant trauma yes are they unal living themselves no no they're not well however but but you're not no you're not no because I don't feel like what you're saying is like
03:49:31
Josiereal statistics you're just throwing numbers out and saying is the 20% of women who experience High 20 20% of women who experience High trauma are they unal living themselves a lot of
03:49:43
Josiethem might be who like can you tell me you tell me cuz I can't tell you huh well how many do you think are so let's say you have let's just let's just do it easy let's just say let's just do it
03:49:53
Andrew Wilsoneasy if you have 30 women who are experiencing severe trauma do you think 15 of them are going to unive themselves think no not 15 but three probably three out of 30 probably three out of 30
03:50:06
Lilianwhatever you look up is going to be like too big of a statistic anyway like I don't really I don't think it matters if it's like 5% or 20% it's a lot it's bad like it's too many one is too many an attempt is too many so no matter it
03:50:18
Andrew Wilsondoesn't even matter that it's like 20% it like it's already it's like it's too much like I don't even know but the point of the question is to make the determination as to whether people would rather if it's obvious that people would
03:50:29
Andrew Wilsonrather live with trauma rather than not it seems that that would be self- obvious to everybody in existence considering that most people the overwhelming majority the vast vast
03:50:40
Andrew Wilsonmajority of all of humanity has not un alived themselves even though many many many of them experience massive trauma they they're not uning themselves lots of them are still suffering horribly but
03:50:52
Andrew Wilsondo that do the yeah they could they could be suffering but if they're making the choice not to un alive themselves then it seems that they consider that to be the superior position my
03:51:02
Abigailbad right it seems that they prefer to be alive that seems to be statement that it's better to live with trauma than die
03:51:12
Josieor that it's worse to live with trauma I think every person has trauma I don't think every person has serious trauma now what one person might consider serious I think just because somebody
03:51:24
Josieopin chooses to stay alive throughout their trauma doesn't mean but people are experiencing Mass trauma like very high
03:51:34
Josielevels of stress and Trauma and are very not well in their head like mentally Disturbed how many of these people are un are unal living themselves uh a
03:51:44
Andrew Wilsondecent probably a decent percentage of them yes but I'm not saying 50% maybe but maybe 3 four 5 to 10% might be and that's still okay you know what let me just ask this in the most Bas no no then
03:51:58
Andrew Wilsonyour point is yeah you're correct would you rather live with TR intuitively hang on let me just ask this in a way all of you would just intuitively kind of understand do you think if you went to most people most people men and women
03:52:10
Andrew Wilsonand you ask them this question if you push button a you're going to have experience serious trauma and if you push button B you're going to die which
03:52:21
Josiebutton do you think they would push starting with you go ahead this so sad I feel like it depends on the person do you want to get shot or do you
03:52:31
Lauren Roseswant to get raped that's the question that's not the question what I no it actually is would you rather die or would you rather it actually is the question it depends on the type of it literally is the question situation
03:52:45
Andrew Wilsonmy question crazy traa verus dying what would you rather choose pick that's not my question stop stop here's the question again don't rephrase the question no it's like comparing app the
03:52:57
Andrew Wilsonquestion is button a you experience significant trauma button B you die on the spot but he lightning bolt shoots out of the sky and you die those are your two options would you do you think
03:53:09
Josiemost people would choose button a or button B I think people would choose B um the but I think would they regret that they might I think a high percentage might why do you think they would choose the traa because cuz when
03:53:20
Josieyou after you have dealt with the trauma now now I'm living with this crazy wild [ __ ] when I could have just died you might you might at that point decide it
03:53:30
Josiewhy do you think they chw choose the trauma huh because they don't know me unless they know what the trauma is like if the the like I said if it's like okay what's what do you what's
03:53:42
TTSthe choice like I die or I get raped like situation $200 the trauma why does it always seem to me they put the dumbest and [ __ ] girls at the end of
03:53:52
Palomathe table so the trauma could be you know okay you you dealt with I don't know like a little bit of whatever the [ __ ] like being made fun of in second grade right like you'd probably prefer
03:54:04
Lauren Rosesto live more educated than most if the tra if the trauma is emotional trauma I'd press the trauma button if it's medical trauma I'm pressing the death button you raising your hand over here you haven't spoken go ahead well it
03:54:16
Gracedepends cuz I mean everyone you know everyone's trauma is valid but like I mean if I were to have these two buttons in front of my face I don't know I mean I don't know what would happen after
03:54:27
Andrew Wilsondeath but I would I would I would choose chence if your husband dies at War what medical Ms what yeah what medical trauma are you experiencing what are you talking about it would all be psychological oh all psychological okay
03:54:40
Andrew Wilsonokay yeah psychologic it be psychological so the thing is is that when it's when we're talking about trauma here in this context talking about severe psychological trauma right would you rather would you rather push do you think most people would choose
03:54:52
Andrew Wilsonbutton a or button B do you think intuitively most people would push button a or button b b is death a is psychological trauma a a they would definitely choose a that should give you
03:55:03
Andrew Wilsonsome self obvious some self-apparent evidence that the death portion for most people is the non preferable option that's just lo lo basic logical
03:55:14
Andrew Wilsondemonstration if intuitively you think almost everybody would choose the button to not die then it seems self obvious that people would rather be traumatized than
03:55:26
Josiedead it seems obvious right so if you were like a little kid right like back in like Nazi Germany or Jewish and you had the option before
03:55:36
Josiewhat Hitler came in you had the option to is Godwin's law okay let's use any Analise so so you could go through all this trauma right you could go get sent
03:55:46
Andrew Wilsonto extermination can't be severely we're not going to get into that use listen listen use any analogy analogy I have an analogy you get it's because it's listen
03:55:59
Andrew Wilsonit's not because I don't I don't mind the analog listen I don't mind the analogy the terms of service for the for the platform we're on they mind the analogy guys been on time today had you guys been on time today we would have
03:56:11
Brian Atlasbeen able to have gone through the entire pre-show and have given you the the instructions about what to avoid go ahead uh here's an analogy let's say you leave here tonight and you get in a terrible car accident and you wake up in
03:56:23
Allisonthe hospital and you've broken legs you have severe damage you know medical to your body and it's psychological are you going to say I wish I would have died I mean I feel like that's not that's
03:56:35
Josieextraa like that's traumatic but it's not like to the extreme of what a traum somebody could deal with in trauma so like going and getting in a car accident is trauma yes but that doesn't you lost
03:56:47
Andrew Wilsona loved one in war that's your trauma both your legs are amputated from this accident are you but you're still grateful to be alive oh here so here let's just make it even simpler button a is you experience all of the trauma a
03:56:58
Andrew Wilsonperson would experience losing a loved one in war or button B you die instantly which button do you think most people would push button a or button B depends on the person it's situational most people I'm just asking for most people
03:57:11
TTSdo which button do you think most people would I just don't think that's villy donated $200 rate of major depression mat of
03:57:20
TTSemotional trauma in US fem is 26% per 100K rate of self- delete is 5% per 100K for fem most people rather live with
03:57:31
Palomasevere adversity than death Ed you see now yeah we know I'm not dis may may I ask you why yeah yeah go ahead bro may I ask you
03:57:42
TTSwhy why final wave feminism donated $200 10 plus years interviewing thousands of women to reach the same
03:57:53
TTSconclusion as the most intelligent respected theologians philosophers Etc women are children they require top- down guidance okay may I ask a question I think you find a way of feminism yeah
03:58:05
Palomayeah I I'd like to hear your question why why is it so black and white to you why can't you understand that there's layers to things and that people are different and it's it can't just be one
03:58:18
Andrew Wilsonor the other like every single person is different one person may be okay with living with I agree okay so then why are you trying to argue that with us because because we're all saying both even so
03:58:29
Andrew WilsonI'm going to explain so I can grant this to you and say every single human being is different with different preferences everything from whether or not they like pineapple on pizza or pepperoni right
03:58:40
Andrew Wilsonall the way down to the little micro nuances however there see there seems to be shared intuitions that most people have that you would agree that we have
03:58:50
Andrew Wilsonright so here's a good example of a shared intuition taking people [ __ ] that they don't want you to take they don't like that that seems to be a shared intuition all over the world for
03:59:02
Andrew Wilsoninstance is there anybody at this table who prefers that people take their stuff away from them anybody show of hands a single person who prefer no not a single one seems like that's a shared intuition
03:59:14
Andrew Wilsoneven though all of you have totally different preferences about all sorts of things so if there's a that shared intuition why shouldn't I think that there could be other shared intuitions like trauma people wanting to live with
03:59:27
Andrew Wilsontrauma rather than death uh which could be self- obvious just based on the fact that you think most people would push button a or button B that seems like now we're getting into well we share some
03:59:36
Andrew Wilsonsort of intuition here right I I hear what you're saying I really do but I just well I I I'm glad that you hear it I'm actually looking for a
03:59:48
Palomacounterargument if you let me spoke if you let me speak go ahead if you let me speak I could give you that I hear what you're saying I just I hear what you're saying yes there's shared intuitions
03:59:58
Palomaobviously people don't want their [ __ ] taken right but not everybody is the same so yeah but we've already established that so then what are you what are you
04:00:09
Andrew Wilsontrying to say dude can we establish right now that nobody in the room with so much different than somebody saying that they
04:00:18
TTSrather today's Father's Day my sister has cancer I had brain surgery my brother is disabled my mother is sick I
04:00:27
Andrew Wilsonwork three jobs all of you please carry your cross amen thank you for the 200 but yeah so back back to this just just real quick you agree that everybody in this room is totally different from each
04:00:40
Andrew Wilsonother right down to their preferences even the way that you just took a drink of that drink that you have water whatever it is is going to be different than how the gal next to you drinks that cup of water we're going to agree it's totally layered in nuanced all the way
04:00:53
Andrew Wilsondown but that doesn't mean that we don't share some intuitions which make us human beings and a seeming intuition I can point to right now is you don't want your stuff taken from you that is yours
04:01:05
Andrew Wilsoneveryone in that room agree now hang on wouldn't you agree that almost nobody in the whole world wants you to take their stuff away from them yeah absolutely then that's a shared intuition so what's wrong with this analogy of a shared
04:01:18
Palomaintuition that people would rather be alive with trauma than dead that seems like a shared intuition well you're saying it seems like and you're asking for facts from us but you're not giving us you're not giving us fact I'm just asking you what it seems like I'm not even asking you for a fact I'm just
04:01:31
Andrew Wilsonasking you what does your intuition say most people would do in this situation push button a person or button B person I think it depends I think it's situational and I think it depends on the person okay but if be but if uh what
04:01:42
Andrew Wilsonwould you say to this then button a your [ __ ] is taken away from you button B your stuff is not taken away from you I would prefer my [ __ ] to not be taken away from me you're right so so you're in so intuitively
04:01:54
Andrew Wilsoneverything which you have observed around you your entire life informs you intuitively that that's what they would push but you didn't need any data you needed no data you needed no anything to come on stop stop I'm almost done almost
04:02:07
Andrew Wilsondone I'm going to let you counter I promise I'm going to let you counter hang on you didn't need a single shred of data to come to that intuitively you didn't need it right that I said I would
04:02:18
Andrew Wilsonprefer my [ __ ] not to be taken no no no that you you think that you would prefer you think everybody would push the button for the most part that they didn't want their stuff taken right I think so yeah I think most people don't
04:02:29
Andrew Wilsonwant their [ __ ] Tak in right so so you can arrive to these intuitive conclusions absent any data at all just based on observation yeah but my intuitive concl he's talking and you
04:02:41
Palomatalk he can't hear you but my intuitive concl clusion about your question whether people would rather live with trauma or you know die mhm I'm saying I don't know on that one I'm saying I
04:02:52
Palomadon't know you asked me my intuitive conclusion about if I'd want my [ __ ] taken or not I'm saying personally I'd rather not have my [ __ ] taken wait can you just so so I can I can agree with
04:03:02
Andrew Wilsonyou that you may not know the answer uh precisely you might say well I'm I'm not sure this or that but then when I kind of counter with then why aren't people who experience severe trauma unal in
04:03:14
Andrew Wilsonthemselves at this kind of uh massive rate you would think that if the preference was the other direction that they would be doing that and they're not so it seems intuitive right I get what you're saying but I'm also not saying
04:03:26
Palomathat the suffering is equal all right to the counter it is either that's my point I'm not I'm I feel like for certain people the suffering is equal to death and so that's why I'm saying it's
04:03:38
Palomasituation for certain people it dep on the person it I'm sure that's true exactly so it's just it's not nothing to do with the argument though it's it's
04:03:50
Palomanot black and white you're asking me about my [ __ ] being taken or it not being taken I'm saying I'd rather not have my [ __ ] taken I feel like most people would rather not have no you're not you're saying that most people you think most people would prefer not to
04:04:02
Palomahave sh liter just said that I think most people would rather not have their [ __ ] taken but for this other argument I'm saying I don't know all right you guys are kind of going in circles so so I just want to make sure I got this right
04:04:14
Andrew Wilsonyou cannot come to an intuitive conclusion that you think most people would prefer uh death over trauma I just want to make sure we got that on record you're not sure it depends it depends on
04:04:26
Andrew Wilsonthe person I said most people it depends on the person okay so so so you're not sure I'm not going to give you the answer that you want it
04:04:35
Andrew Wilsondepends that most people wouldn't choose death it depends on the person know I'm not going to give you the answer that you want because it's most it's most right I'm
04:04:46
Palomareally not if you're not sure Andrew I'm not listen to me I'm not going to give you the answer that you want it depends on the person you can just sit there and be quiet while I explain it that's fine too so the thing
04:04:59
Andrew Wilsonis thing is is that here's your logical extension so that you understand it why You Look Away um but you're still going to hear me because you have to right you need to understand this The Logical extension of you saying it depends on
04:05:11
Andrew Wilsonthe person when I ask you what do you think most people would do you say I don't know that's what you're saying I don't know which means The Logical entailment of that is you don't know if most people would choose death or trauma
04:05:23
Brian Atlasthat's what you're that's the extension yeah and it literally Roots back to all of us saying both men and women I got to move it on Andrew I got to move it on do you want to make a final
04:05:31
Brian Atlaspoint no no I think uh I think I I made the final Point already okay so last thing on that thing I have some more questions here we're going to go around the panel I did actually really quickly
04:05:44
Brian AtlasI'll just show you the Ukraine thing then we'll move on from the war thing Nick if you could pull it up so on the left [Music] here you have Ukrainian women who were screenshotted on dating apps when they
04:05:56
Brian Atlaswere able to flee to Stockholm and the United Kingdom and Barcelona and Lisbon and uh where's the nice place in Portugal um where's is that Lisbon is in
04:06:08
Brian Atlasis that Portugal or Spain Port is that Portugal anyways women yeah Ukrainian women were found on Tinder trying to go to the club trying
04:06:19
Brian Atlasto you know get their hot girl summer on whatever that's what you have on the left Ukrainian women on dating apps and Tinder trying to get [ __ ] down by
04:06:28
Brian AtlasForeign men on the right well what are you we can't show it but on the right you have dead Ukrainian men and soldiers
04:06:40
Brian AtlasI'll ask the question one more time if that picture is a manifestation of not just the Ukrainian uh conflict the Ukraine
04:06:50
Brian Atlasconflict but all wars throughout history perhaps excluding the Tinder do any of you do any of you do
04:07:01
Josieany of you who said both change your mind seeing that image I mean how about the women that are like actually suffering not the women that you just
04:07:12
Palomaput up on t primary so then stop talking about just women who are on Tinder you brought up exactly there are women who are suffering and then there's women who are on Tinder like what I think the point is the women are alive and still
04:07:23
Brian Atlasliving their lives but not every woman who is alive and dealing with the suffering due to their husband or their father going off not every I'll here let me I'll just engage with you on this
04:07:35
Brian Atlasokay I'll just engage with you hold on I'll just engage with you I'll engage with you on this okay so yes not every single woman is on Tinder but if you a
04:07:45
Brian AtlasUkrainian men there's zero Ukrainian men that are on Tinder in Stockholm in in Oslo you don't think there's any
04:07:55
Brian AtlasUkrainian men in Cinder in any of those places honestly and think about the older men too that Fai intentionally do you do you are you trying to argue that
04:08:05
Brian Atlasthere's just as many men did I say that do do you recall when I said no men could not leave the country not any men so it's actually plausible yes no from
04:08:16
Brian Atlasthe age of 18 to 60 or 65 men could legally not leave the country if you did you would be imprisoned you'd be punished they beat a lot of the men who did try to flee if
04:08:28
Brian Atlasyou see videos of these men trying to cross the border the the Ukrainian uh military police will apprehend these men and often beat them so no they're on
04:08:38
Brian AtlasTinder actually it actually would be fair for me to say that there's a good probability at least you know I don't know how things have changed I still think men can't even leave the country this is now we're what 2 3 years into this
04:08:51
Brian Atlasconflict I think it actually would be fair of me to say that there are no men in Stockholm no Ukrainian men in
04:09:00
JosieStockholm just partying it up swiping on girls [ __ ] hot Swedish chicks I mean the statistic yeah the statistic I don't need a statistic hold on let me
04:09:11
Brian Atlasanswer thing the statistic is that you can that wer in the do you hold on do you doubt my assertion that men between the ages of 18 to 60 were
04:09:23
Brian Atlasprecluded were not allowed to leave the country I could pull up a CNN I could pull up BBC tell me the news organization which you respect and I'll gladly pull it up I honestly do not know
04:09:35
Josiewhat this has to do with Tinder all I'm saying is that I'm sure there's men who are on Tinder in Ukraine no listen listen I think there's Ukrainian men on Tinder but they probably weren't
04:09:47
Josiethey probably weren't in the country When The War happened they probably are maybe half citizens of other countries maybe they already fled the country maybe they weren't there so there might be but but to the statistic that was there sure they are the primary victims
04:10:01
Josieif that's what you want to hear that's not that's not the argument I'm trying to make at all but but do you think you think that the Ukrainian men um don't feel like they're women that are there that are fighting this war in Ukraine you don't think that that they feel like
04:10:13
Josietheir women their daughters and their grandmothers are not suffering you don't feel like that they don't feel like that themselves that's not the argument I'm making could you tell us the argument you're trying to make but like we're just you guys know the definition of
04:10:26
Andrew Wilsonprimary yes they're all suffering yes yes daughters are suffering the mothers are are suffering and I just agreed with you what is the argument you were trying to make just tell us so we I've literally repeated it multi please say it again yeah please say it again men
04:10:39
Brian Atlasare the primary victims of men are the primary victims of war and I Pro I've provided several examples so what does this have to do with these specific men being on Tinder like genuinely what it's
04:10:49
Brian Atlasthe women who are on Tinder Ukrainian women it's to illustrate the difference they're victims because they're on Tinder it's to illustrate the difference their fathers might have died as a even though they might be on
04:11:01
AbigailTinder but they're not the primary victims cuz they have the privilege to be on Tinder and not in war I'm just saying why did you no like genuinely like why did you get pictures of like random pictures of girls on Tinder and
04:11:12
Palomacompare them to dead bodies literally that has that is the confus the most ridiculous comparison I've ever heard in my life because you could use like how
04:11:21
Brian Atlasis a perfect it's a perfect illustration well they're TI CU they're on Tinder I guess that means everything's good right okay you why don't you just Steelman my
04:11:32
Lilianposition instead of straw Manning my position what does that mean this is crazy Steel Man your position well I'm just saying like I'm confused by the picture cuz it was like it was like not say not compar when
04:11:45
Andrew Wilsonsomebody says that like a steel steel man my position it just means can you repeat my argument back to me that way I know you understand it that's all it means are men the primary victim of War statistically in this case yes it's
04:11:57
LilianUkraine I mean men have to be drafted statistically yes I'm just asking why you are comparing random pictures of girls on Tinder to dead bodies okay are you aware that there's currently a a massive military conflict in Ukraine I'm
04:12:09
Brian Atlasaware of that okay and are you aware that I've already stated this men between the ages of 18 to 60 or 65 were barred from fleeing the country and a
04:12:20
Brian Atlaslot of those men were drafted into the war and they're dead now whereas if a woman was so inclined she could freely leave she could cross the border and
04:12:29
Brian Atlasthen she could end up in Stockholm Oslo uh Lisbon whatever [ __ ] one who didn't why like that's why I'm wondering why you're not comparing them like don't like act like I'm like stupid like I'm
04:12:40
Brian Atlasgenuinely curious let me ask you a question if I told you that like zero men between that those age range between that age range of 18 to 60 or 65 left the country and
04:12:52
Lilianmillions of Ukrainian women in that age range left the country what's your argument to that no I'm just asking about the wom you asking you you keep jumping around my question I'm asking I'm not jumping around your question
04:13:04
LilianI've tried to explain it multiple times but go ahead why did you put pictures of like girls like in provocative poses next to pictures of De Tinder profiles why did you hunt down tind profiles like
04:13:17
Lilianthat's that you can't even compare that I didn't hold on Absolut you I'm just like why would you like hunt down girls with pictures I didn't first off somebody sent me that we didn't make the collage that's so weird
04:13:29
Lilianlike I why is it weird because you're illustrates a point men who died in war to pictures of girls grabbing their asses on a Tinder profile an argument make an argument
04:13:39
Brian Atlasthat but not asking you're asking me why I did it you were asking me why did I do that make an actual AR victims of war hold on make an argument instead of why why would you do that just make the argument instead I'm just confused on
04:13:52
Lilianwhy you're ATT me for asking a question huh why are you like getting mad to me asking a question because you're not being like rational you're not being logical I'm just saying you could get pictures of like women like in Ukraine you could literally get them at their
04:14:04
Abigailhouse and like you went to 10 like whoever that's we have access to photos the reason to answer your question hold on I was talking the reason that he showed that picture is because it
04:14:16
Abigailillustrates it illustrates that women have the freedom to be able to be on Tinder they can't get pictures of them in their houses that's the pictures that they have access to but it illustrates
04:14:26
Brian Atlasthat women are they have the freedom Brian do you have any numbers on human trafficking and blank this is not to take away from Men's suffering which we do not have accurate numbers uh
04:14:38
Andrew WilsonCharlie I don't have numbers on that don't know yeah but no big deal right because what about all the trauma that the men who are in their families have to experience by those women being trafficked I feel it's very just as much
04:14:51
Josieyour primary victim is the women I feel like it's clear guys I'm I feel like it's very sad especially to ukrainians at this moment to um compare who's a bigger victim men or women and I feel like it's very sad to say women are
04:15:03
Josiesecondary victims second victims under men victims of war in any situation and I just think that's sad and that's just me as a woman that's how I feel men
04:15:13
Brian Atlasy'all might feel differently and y'all I think it's absolutely despicable that you guys you know here's here's the Epic female empathy that you guys are
04:15:23
Brian Atlasunable to acknowledge a singular realm in which men suffer more than women I bet every single one hold on I bet every single one of you would say that in this
04:15:34
Brian Atlasin this specific category women suffer more let me ask you a question when it comes to sa who suffers more men or women statistic women so why is it why
04:15:46
Liliansuffer I'm not saying men don't suffer bro but the the question is more but why is it like poor men yes do men get essay do men get a more men are in war men more men are in war more women get
04:15:58
Brian Atlassexually like assaulted so who's the primary victim of essay women but so why can't you just grant in the primary
04:16:07
Brian Atlasvictims of Ukrainian War yeah we I never said that men weren't all VI you all said both it's both men both men and women different kinds of trauma I
04:16:19
Lilianthink war is a different subject and everybody's like making faces and stuff but I'm just saying there's like different types of like I can't I mean I can't reason with it I got move it on I gotta move it on I
04:16:30
Brian Atlasmean you got a you got a valid point uh I'm going to read a couple chats here uh oh great okay Kaleb serial is it worse to abort the child or to abandon it on a stranger's doorstep child is alive but the gamble on the future life of the
04:16:42
Brian Atlaschild would be of concern is living through hell worse than death hey kill of seral thank you man I think we uh we did kind of talk about that a little bit already uh yeah we already we already
04:16:53
Brian Atlasasked it uh is it worse to the child or to band in it on Strangers door up anybody want to answer that say women can't take accountability like they can't all right we Matty Ice people have
04:17:06
Brian Atlasfamily members that die every single day they aren't out here offing themselves uh really good uh good point mat I see I people go through traumatic things every single day death is something that we're all going to experience whether it's a
04:17:17
Brian Atlasfamily member or our own uh you know our own thing eventually either through illness old age etc etc so thank you man we have stochastic Decay who's the primary victim of grape the woman being
04:17:30
Brian Atlasessayed or the support system that has to pick up the pieces I think it's both probably somebody's in the bathroom right now
04:17:44
Brian Atlascan you sit down while the person's in the bathroom Okay uh stochastic Decay who's the primary victim of grape the woman being essay to the support system that has to pick up the pieces I think this
04:17:55
Brian Atlasis a uh rhetorical question I think it's both probably situational this panel is retardant okay thank you man uh Charlie Tanner Brian do you have any numbers on human trafficking and Essay this is non
04:18:07
Brian Atlasoh that one already came through all right thank you man appreciate it we're going to read a couple more chats here uh all right we have Joe
04:18:22
Brian AtlasMC okay uh Joe MC dude when I was in Iraq as a Maran two of my friends oh he
04:18:30
Brian Atlasgood uh two my friends got Che on talk about Ultra trauma you probably yo AB Che thank you for the gifted 50 memberships dude you're a [ __ ] Legend thank you man what is
04:18:43
Josieeveryone's favorite brand of alcohol all right light question go ahead drono huh drono okay go ahead V champagne I see it Nick I can't drink I
04:18:54
Brian Atlaslove that V champagne as well yeah you can't drink I don't drink they can't drink but they probably drink I don't I don't drink at all all right uh this one came through we have Robert Tanner Brian
04:19:05
Brian Atlasyou are wrong on War casualties read Anthony Beaver the fall of Berlin 1945 the amount of suffering on the EAS Eastern Front is a terrible suffering
04:19:14
Brian Atlasduring World War II well yes there were female civilians there were a few women military casualties but the overwhelming
04:19:23
Brian Atlasamount of casualties were men uh at least in the military component and then I believe the civilian component you know it's pretty comparable between men and women so yeah more men in total died
04:19:36
Brian Atlasduring World War II than women and more men were injured in casualties of War than women why does the government send men out to war and not women I'm sorry what I think we got
04:19:48
Brian Atlasa problem with the government no never mind you can move on Brian Andrew you proved tonight that the majority of women lack any type of logic uh okay Brian the compt appreciate it brother
04:19:59
Brian Atlasappreciate it thank you thank you uh oh hold on and then we have this one and then Nick if you could get those yellows when Brian men from Ukraine have fled and are partying you are wrong thinking
04:20:11
Brian Atlasall stay and that Ukraine men aren't partying or on Tinder all the oligarch kids fled everyone loses in war well okay if I can grant you that yes some men were probably able to cross the
04:20:22
Brian Atlasborder some men were able to get it out that doesn't change the fact that all men were barred legally from like for example I think my understanding of
04:20:32
Brian AtlasUnited States law when it comes to the Border it's technically illegal to cross into the United States does that mean it doesn't happen for example doing uh
04:20:42
Brian Atlasbeing in possession of certain drugs is a crime do people still do it yes so the the reality is while some men were able
04:20:53
Brian Atlasto escape the vast majority haven't and if they did Escape they had to go through much more extreme means of attempting to escape as compared to women who could literally
04:21:04
Brian Atlascross the border without without any harassment or uh any sort of uh potential reprisals they're free to leave whereas a guy if you get caught trying to leave you're [ __ ] major
04:21:16
Brian Atlas[ __ ] so they're yes some some men were able to flee of course most weren't though um and then AB Che thank you for the gifted 50 memberships man appreciate
04:21:27
Brian Atlasit Nick if you can hide all those that we uh went through okay next topic this is all right can you be can
04:21:36
Kayyou be sexist towards men go ahead like me personally or no just in like in general yeah okay like can women be
04:21:47
Brian Atlassexist towards men yeah yeah yes yes yeah yeah yeah yes of course
04:21:58
Brian Atlasokay can you be racist towards white people
04:22:04
Josieyeah yes yes I guess so no yes I feel like like I don't know what's what's like the definition of
04:22:15
Josieracism it's like making somebody feel like less than you or something or you have you based off the race yeah but it's more it's like a deep isn't there like a deeper I don't know I I can't
04:22:26
Josiereally even speak cuz I I I isn't there like a thing like systematic I don't know like no you tell us remember you're way more educated than we are no I don't
04:22:37
Josieknow I she never said that right did say that no I didn't no she you know I'm sure you know what racist means yeah I mean isn't it like a thing I don't know isn't it like a
04:22:50
Brian Atlasthing where you're discriminated against look at the i' have to look at the definition my phone I'll ask some clarifying questions I don't want to uh so can you be racist towards black people yes can
04:23:02
Josieyou be racist towards Asians sure yeah can you be racist towards Latinos yeah but I'm white so I mean is I'm not saying you a I'm a majority I'm not
04:23:13
Brian Atlassaying you I'm saying in general can people be racist towards black people I mean they're minorities so isn't that like I don't know I'm not a yes or no
04:23:23
Brian Atlasquestion yeah like I don't know okay that's my answer uh um can black here let me ask you can black people be racist towards white
04:23:33
Josiepeople no I don't think so can Asian people be racist towards white people um I mean I don't think so can Latinos be racist towards white
04:23:44
Josiepeople I don't think so can any other race besides white be racist towards white people I mean it just a I I I feel like the to my friends that are um you
04:23:55
Josieknow not white um they've explained this to me before and I'm not the best one to explain it so I'm not going to so yeah
04:24:04
Brian Atlasthat's fair okay what about you yes yes yeah yes I wanted to come back to you I was that
04:24:15
Brian Atlasyour genuine answer or are you just kind of saying yes just to no that was my genuine answer okay so you can be racist towards white people though yeah I'm also half white so okay all right uh
04:24:28
Brian Atlasthat's kind of my rapid fire questions then we'll get into uh oh couple things just going around the table do you consider yourself a feminist related
04:24:38
Allisonto dating you know no no not a feminist you'll let just come back to me I'd say
04:24:49
Brian Atlasyes no sort of absolutely not no okay I'll wait till she's back at the table and to ask her the question she's
04:24:59
Brian Atlascoming there she is she's coming she's making her way she's taking her sweet [ __ ] time uh are you a feminist um I wouldn't say like an extreme feminist but yeah I
04:25:12
Brian Atlasguess I'm feminist you do consider yourself a feminist okay all right good to know good to know uh so those of you who said yes you're femin oh you didn't answer go ahead I think i' I'd word it
04:25:23
Brian Atlaslike her like not an extreme one but definitely a feminist okay so you um do you believe in the patriarchy hell yeah hell hell yeah you believe in the patriarchy
04:25:34
Lauren Rosesokay it I've seen good patriarchies and then I've seen like some their just answer the question please sure yes yeah like the patriarchy Theory I don't know much about the patriarchy Theory
04:25:47
Brian Atlasbut you've heard the term patriarchy right are you opposed to the patriarchy actually I don't know Define patriarchy well there you're the
04:25:57
Andrew Wilsonfeminist H hang on I'm sorry to cut in but I don't I don't actually understand um now I don't know your name gal in um who's sitting from my perspective would
04:26:09
Andrew Wilsonbe to the right side of the table second one over who has been kind of verbally sparring with everyone tonight what did you what did you say your name was
04:26:17
Andrew Wilsonthat's you yeah oh Paloma Paloma okay I don't understand why when Brian said just please answer the question you
04:26:26
Andrew Wilsonwent like look at this [ __ ] look at the look what the what's going on here right what the [ __ ] what's going I don't actually understand that think of it from his perspective he's going around
04:26:38
Palomathe table and he wants to get everybody's actual answer if somebody goes goes on a diet tribe right then how how could he get everybody included in the conversation I really don't care about answering your stupid questions
04:26:50
Brian Atlasanymore both you guys so I'm actually going to go but you guys have a great night do you want to at least let me ask you just a few more questions if you don't mind I mind what are the questions so it's a rage quit I don't
04:27:03
Palomacare Rage Quit it's okay let me ask her a couple question not a rage quit it's a rage quit okay whatever you want to word what did I what did I say that was so offensive to you it's nothing you said I just like really don't have the energy to keep going back and forth with you
04:27:16
Palomabecause you want a specific answer and I'm not going to give it and you're going to keep prying and cying until you get that answer and I'm so you're just intellectually dishonest um I just don't feel like
04:27:27
Palomaarguing with you anymore like plain and simple you're not somebody I'm obligated to argue with no I agree you're not if you want to rage quit it's totally up to you Rage Quit whatever you want to word it I don't really give a [ __ ] I'm
04:27:39
Brian Atlasleaving so I'll ask you the I'll ask you the uh I'll ask you the question so you're you do believe in the patriarchy correct H yeah yeah uh so do you think that uh women are oppressed yes in the
04:27:52
Brian AtlasUnited States yes and who are men the oppressors yes there you go so well I'm
04:28:00
Brian Atlasasking you some more questions so I'm going to leave okay that is a rage quit Okay this is
04:28:16
Andrew Wilsonpeace out peace out you too
04:28:27
Lauren Roseshomie School 6:45 yeah sleep uh oh what's going on what's going on over there I think she's just
04:28:36
Andrew Wilsonlooking for a purse okay got it yeah so um so just a very briefly to go over the question um the the reason that this is
04:28:46
Andrew Wilsonbeing asked is in in we've heard this a lot on the show between men and women Dynamics obviously there's many men who prefer not to end up in relationships
04:28:57
Andrew Wilsonwith feminists right they just prefer not to and so this is why it's being asked if you consider yourself to be a feminist and that's how it's tied back into um kind of the dating talk so that
04:29:08
Andrew Wilsonwe can figure out where your stance is makes a lot of sense to me as uh politics in the United States is highly polarizing right mhm so um so this is this is why it's uh it's asked and why
04:29:20
Andrew Wilsonit is he just wants to get everybody's answer on record before we start to kind of press in where your feminist beliefs come from why you think that way and how that applies to when you're dating um so going around the table let me give a
04:29:33
Andrew Wilsondifferent definition of feminism and see if the answers change I think that the most charitable definition of feminism I can give is a rejection of patriarchal
04:29:42
Andrew Wilsonsystems uh in Li of egalitarianism meaning equality between the two Sexes by that definition would you guys consider yourself feminist going around the table
04:29:58
Andrew WilsonH we'll start we'll start with you um gal with the red bangs sorry I didn't I I was here late so I don't know anybody's names so if I just call you out by your clothing please don't get mad at me right that's it that's the
04:30:11
Andrew Wilsonbasically the only thing can do so starting with you no you're good can you repeat that one more time though I've been up for like 24 hours and my brain is just feel that yeah I've been there I've been there yeah so if if the definition of feminism was a rejection
04:30:23
Andrew Wilsonof patriarchal systems for the movement of equality between the two Sexes men and women would you consider yourself a feminist then should men and women be equal again I he no that's not that's not actually
04:30:36
Andrew Wilsonwhat's being asked um so if the definition of feminism is the movement towards the equality of the two Sexes men and women
04:30:46
Andrew Wilsonand rejection of patriarchal systems meing men in charge of [ __ ] would you call yourself a feminist
04:30:56
Lauren Rosesthen no no okay it depends for me it really depends on what type of men I've seen because obviously every man's different every patriarchal system that I've encountered
04:31:07
Lauren Rosesin life like diff some men run it good real good and they're they're cool and everything so I would be down with a cool man running stuff but I've had seen some weird dudes running stuff too and then I literally am like oh my gosh
04:31:20
Lauren Rosesthank God that I have my own rights cuz going under this guy would be like loveing hell like you know like so so I if it's a good dude then I'm cool with it but if it's a dude that I don't like
04:31:30
Lauren Rosesthat's a really weird dude then no so so I'm I'm I could flip it just depends on if I'm comfortable with so so to to kind
04:31:40
Andrew Wilsonof um engage with what you're saying we'll say systems where men are in charge and have traditionally been in charge they are going to stay in charge
04:31:50
Lauren Rosesif you're under a patriarchy yes but but but if um question would this be related to that so if it was a patriarchy Society where
04:32:01
Andrew Wilsonlike women like they're like oh women can't work it's like does that keep vulnerable populations vulnerable in a sense where like what if like the woman can't find a husband we can we can kind of get into
04:32:12
Andrew Wilsonbut just to get it on record if that was the definition of feminism charitable definition would you then call yourself a feminist if a a good man running [ __ ] and following him or a bad man running
04:32:24
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] and foll him just a rejection of patriarchal systems for the movement of egalitarianism meaning both are running things equally I mean I guess I could reject it but if I see a good one then I'll then
04:32:36
Lauren RosesI'll go for it you know I'd be like okay cool like it I just have to know if the dude's good or not okay so going to the to the next person to the
04:32:47
Andrew Wilsontable oh sorry um so by the first definition so you're saying a a rejection of patriarchal systems and a movement towards equality between the Sexes I
04:32:59
Andrew Wilsonmean I think they should be the same so no I mean equal yeah so then feminist right make you feminist Yeah by that definition okay so moving to the next one uh I guess in that definition sure
04:33:11
Andrew Wilsonyeah they'd be a feminist then okay and then moving to the next one um probably not no so you wouldn't you wouldn't want to see a rejection of patriarchal
04:33:20
Andrew Wilsonsystems for movement towards equality between the Sexes absolutely not okay next still no not a feminist because women hate women I don't hate okay I I
04:33:32
Allisondidn't hear the redhead though I said absolutely not and it's not because I hate women it's because women were you know we should we have a role to fill yeah we have a certain role and it's not
04:33:44
Allisonto be in charge it's not to be equal and it's not to be you know independent technically and as you know as a Christian you're religious y are very religious so makes sense why you feel
04:33:55
Allisonlike that okay well I understand money is your God but my God is I don't have a God I have a Creator that's Romans 1 what hey you should read Romans 1 18 God's Wrath
04:34:08
Allisonagainst and righteousness talking about people worshiping the creature rather than the Creator anyways I worship the Creator you don't know me you don't know what I worship what's your Creator's
04:34:19
Josiename I mean I don't believe the creator has a name God I guess it's a force that we can't comprehend you guys don't want to get into what I believe Yeshua I I really I really I believe in like the
04:34:31
JosieBible but I also believe in like all them other books that like were outside the Bible like The Book of Enoch and and all that stuff I think puts into perspective and those are all like forbidden books so I'm not going to book
04:34:43
Andrew Wilsonof well the Book of Enoch is not a forbidden book The apoc it just was not it wasn't put into it wasn't put into the Canon for a reason um but I mean all
04:34:52
Andrew Wilsonthe Book of Enoch is is uh basically an extrapolation from um you know what happened during the flood it it gets into fallen angels all that type of stuff yeah so then what my God is and
04:35:04
Andrew Wilsonwhat her God is is going to be two different gods yeah Jesus do you do you have a reason why you think that that should be canonical I don't I don't understand no I mean I I wait explain what that
04:35:14
Josiemeans well people put the Bible together and left that book out do you know why they did that Pro I mean why did they do that I think they did it because they don't want to knowell it the truth they did it for power they did for control um
04:35:26
Andrew WilsonI think that's what religion was really um made for I think the word I mean this was this was a very public debate it was very public this debate is crazy is what I don't want to get into I mean it was I'm saying at the time when they were
04:35:40
Andrew Wilsonputting when they were putting these books together to make the Bible that it was publicly debated which books are going in and which ones aren't and the way that they're able to verify this is they're looking at is this a third party
04:35:52
Andrew WilsonSource or is this uh something that actually came uh you know from the apostles themselves there was good reasons why they kept many books out yeah I'm not really going to dive
04:36:04
Andrew Wilsontoo deep into things because you know I'm not um I'm not even going to get into it actually well I mean okay I feel I'm just curious about your beliefs on the the this creator of yours that's all
04:36:16
Josieyeah I mean I believe the god of the Bible no it's God I just think that like um you know I'm not I can't I don't want to speak too too much on it just cuz I
04:36:25
Josiedon't want to but um I think that the Bible and the stories in the Bible were translated also um a lot of the Kings
04:36:35
Josieand stuff made them and a lot of these things different fals yeah to have power among among people so you don't you don't believe in the same God because
04:36:47
AllisonGod we believe he is who he says he is what says that the Eternal scriptures have not been tampered and that they are true and that every single word is God breathed but you don't believe that you think it's manipulation you said you
04:36:59
Abigailbelieve in the Bible and when we were talking about gender roles specifically you were like you guys are religious of course you believe that we believe that because we believe in the Bible but didn't you just say you also believe in the Bible hold on scoot your mic a
04:37:11
Josielittle bit some stories in the Bible aren't meant to be like okay so you some of the Bible well I mean like some of it I mean I do believe in the Bible but I also believe that the Bible's been manipulated by Kings and all types of so you don't believe God is who he says he
04:37:23
Andrew Wilsonis in the Bible erroneous I mean she's definitely right there's tons of Bibles which have been manipulated by Kings King James right there's no I mean there's no doubt that that's true I just
04:37:35
JosieI'm not sure information about your creator I GRE up Christian believe the Bible stories are correct I believe like certain thing like a lot of the stories are correct but I also believe that it's been manipulated so I
04:37:48
Josiedon't think it's the whole truth I think there's a lot of Truth missing out the Bible that you can find I mean I'm not a Christ I'm not sitting up here saying I'm a Christian so I don't believe like you have to pick and I I don't believe I
04:38:01
Lilianthink you can pick and Sho we don't believe in the you know what I'm saying yeah I mean that's I mean it's all a greater force like we can't comprehend it and I mean either way like there's stories in the Bible AR religious conversation yeah I'm good we can move
04:38:13
Allisonit on well I have a question for Andrew did you agree that you believe that uh some of the Bible has been manipulated and that God didn't have Sovereign control over I believe that
04:38:25
Andrew WilsonProtestant churches constantly have manipulated the Bible uh everything to the feminist Bible which they they wrote the brand new Bible which was a feminist version to several Protestant uh
04:38:37
Andrew Wilsonchurches uh making their own scripture like uh for instance I would consider Mormons to be Protestants i' consider Jehovah's Witnesses to be Protestants I would consider those to be extra cannons which they added which are not allowed
04:38:49
Allisonto do like the Mormons did with Joseph Smith so yeah there's been modification when it I'm saying like a basic nasb 1995 do you think it's not fully true do you
04:39:02
Andrew Wilsonthink that it does have the do it yeah it doesn't have the do to R canons yeah so it's not complete so like with the what do you mean by that with full Apocrypha in it yeah
04:39:15
AllisonI mean right it's not I me I believe God I mean my opinion I believe God has Sovereign control over everything that's my piece over everything I I know but but but but I'm correct right it's not
04:39:28
Andrew Wilsonis it the full is it the full Bible or not I mean God allowed it to be taken out for a reason and he knows better than you and I do you not agree no he didn't allow the original Church the original church had the original Church
04:39:39
Andrew Wilsonput the Bible together right we're still using that same Bible to this day you're using a different B I don't know what Bible you're using but it's not the Bible I'm using can I see your Bible is it like yeah well no I'd have
04:39:52
Andrew Wilsonto go upstairs to get it but yeah it would have it's going to have things in it that yours clearly doesn't right you just you just said it yourself right yeah the Apocrypha yeah so I mean you but you
04:40:04
Allisonjust got done saying something different that's never been modified it's clearly been modified I'm not saying it hasn't been modified I'm saying do you think that God didn't have S IGN control ultimately over his word and how yeah and I'm still and I'm still reading his
04:40:16
Andrew Wilsonword you're reading something that's not complete that was not the original Bible which was put together by church but how do you know I haven't read Apocrypha I just don't have it in a a Geneva Bible yeah why isn't it in the Bible in your
04:40:29
AllisonBible why not because I believe that God allowed it to be taken out that people didn't need okay well the Joseph Smith believed the same thing he believed that God allowed him to add to it but it just has nothing to do with our salvation and I think a lot of people fall to idolatry
04:40:42
Andrew Wilsonand what does that have to do with anything wait wait wait back up back up the question is not whether or not the leaving the Salvation question to the
04:40:49
Andrew Wilsonside yeah thank you talking about and this by the way Bible that I read um but talking about uh whether or not it has
04:41:02
Andrew Wilsonto do with salvation would be a same argument Joseph Smith would make the question is how can you make the claim that you're not reading a modified Bible when you're reading a mod mod ified Bible and you know you're reading a modified I don't know where you came up
04:41:14
Allisonwith this idea you're notations they all have translations based on you know the language and stuff like that but uh I just I like I said I believe that it reflects God's word and
04:41:26
Andrew WilsonI do think God has control over that on what goes well then okay so so so then if that's true God also has control over this Bible that I'm reading and if this Bible that I'm reading is different than the Bible that you're reading are you
04:41:39
Andrew Wilsonsaying that the god that I'm worshiping is different than the god that you're worshiping or did he give me a different Bible for some reason thank you not necessarily but what I was oh sorry then
04:41:52
Andrew WilsonI don't understand right there's only there can only be there there's only going to be one Bible right there can't be multiple
04:42:01
Brian Atlasbibles are you talking to me yeah oh I'm trying to fix your microphone um um you guys if you guys look into the camera right this is what look I know it's annoying for me to go met about this and
04:42:13
Brian Atlasinterrupt this conversation what you guys end up often doing is blocking your entire faces with the microphone we want you guys here you can see chin mouth speaking into the
04:42:25
Andrew Wilsonmicrophone you guys end up blocking your whole face we can't see you just try to be cognizant of that go ahead yeah so anyway so I'm just I'm just saying to you that when she when
04:42:36
Andrew Wilsonshe claims that there's all sorts of modifications which have happened to uh the Bible from Protestant sex I I I don't see how she's wrong because that I mean that's true no I'm I'm not arguing
04:42:48
Allisonthat oh he can't hear me I'm not arguing that what I was arguing was she was saying that men manipulated it to to use it for their own power and self gain to manipulate them they have done that I mean she's
04:43:01
Andrew Wilsonnot wrong about that either they definitely have done that I don't believe that you don't believe that any men have manipulated the messaging in the Bible for the purpose of power and control really I
04:43:13
Allisonmean maybe they've taken the context and the terms and twisted it to their own use but no I really do believe that the Bible is you know God breathed I'll die on that hill so okay so so let me get
04:43:25
Andrew Wilsonthis right let's let's see if we can untangle this mess real quick uh do you believe in prosperity Doctrine Prosperity Gospel no okay how are men not using the Bible and twisting it
04:43:38
Allisonthat's not what I said I didn't say people didn't use scripture I'm saying that the scriptures were not taken like written scripture then taken Twisted twisting God's words like in the
04:43:50
AllisonBible to hand to more people to be misunderstood I believe if you got dropped off on an island with a Bible you can find Salvation and Jesus through getting to know God through his word you
04:44:01
Andrew Wilsonmean natural law natural law yeah I mean so you're saying apps in a Bible ABS in a Bible if you're dropped on an an island no but I said be able to come to Jesus Christ right yeah well I
04:44:14
Allisonsaid with a Bible but without a Bible yeah God is Manifest within you so every person is without excuse now why do you need a Bible at all well if you're lucky enough to have one then yeah I know but