FERAL Feminist RAGE QUITS?! Andrew Wilson HEATED DEBATE! House Of The Strumpet! | Dating Talk #170
Date: 2024-06-17
Duration: 8h 37m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_02Lauren Roses(guest)
SPEAKER_03Lauren Roses (mixed)(guest)
SPEAKER_04Allison(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Abigail(guest)
SPEAKER_08Grace(guest)
SPEAKER_09Paloma(guest)
SPEAKER_10Kay(guest)
SPEAKER_11Lilian(guest)
SPEAKER_12Josie(guest)
SPEAKER_14Lauren Roses (mixed)(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:39
IntroKay introduces herself: 27yo, Indiana, OnlyFans.
“my name is Kay I am 27 and I am from Indiana and I do only fans”
00:04:37
IntroLauren Roses introduces herself: 31yo, cortisean at Moonlight Bunny Ranch, Tantra/hypnotherapy.
“I am a student and I um I am a cortisen at the moonlight bunny ranch my name is Lauren roses”
00:09:34
IntroLilian introduces herself: 19yo, student/music producer. Mentions she had a funeral this morning.
“my name is Lilian I'm 19 and my occupation I guess I'm a student and a music producer”
00:10:31
QuoteLilian reveals she attended her friend's funeral the morning of the show. Friend (musician, 20s) died the previous day.
“I had a funeral this morning for my very good friend may he rest in peace”
00:13:47
IntroJosie introduces herself: 25yo, singer/songwriter/model from Wisconsin, lives in LA.
“my name's Josie... I'm an artist a hustler um singer song writer model... I'm 25”
00:14:29
IntroGrace introduces herself: 18yo, sociology/psychology at UCSB.
“my name is Grace I'm 18 I'm studying sociology at UCSB right now”
00:14:52
IntroAllison introduces herself: 30yo, tech company, grew up Wisconsin, lives Texas.
“my name's Allison I'm 30 and I work for a technology company”
00:15:14
IntroAbigail introduces herself: 20yo, leasing agent, coaches boys gymnastics.
“I'm Abigail I'm 20 and I'm a leasing agent and occasionally I coach boys gymnastics”
01:03:52
QuoteJosie says she wants man to pay all her bills (~$3000+/month). Brings 'my pretty self' to the table.
“my R 2500 my my car payment like 300 uh um... my phone bill is like 200... if you can't do that I don't need to waste my time”
01:05:58
QuoteJosie states her contribution to a relationship: 'my pretty self'.
“my pretty self that's what I bring I know that's right and I'm pretty so”
01:13:02
ControversyBrian calls panel one of the most 'feral' he's had. Paloma pushes back strongly.
“this is one of the most [feral] panels... these two girls are 2 hours late my friend died”
02:00:32
IntroAndrew Wilson joins via call-in. Greets panel. Happy Father's Day message.
“hello everybody how are you doing hey my name is Andrew Wilson”
04:19:30
OtherPaloma rage quits after refusing to answer feminist identity question. Leaves show at ~4:27.
“I'm actually going to go but you guys have a great night... not a rage quit it's a rage quit”
04:36:20
QuoteJosie rates herself 10/10/10 face/body/total. Says 'I think I may be perfect'.
“10 all the way around 10 yeah... I think I may be perfect”
04:51:30
QuoteJosie's BBL backstory: intentionally gained ~20 lbs to harvest fat for BBL. Paid for it herself.
“I was really skinny I actually had to gain weight I had to gain like 20 PBS to get the procedure”
06:16:47
QuoteLauren Roses reveals body count is approximately 1,100 over 10 years of courtesan work.
“I have 1,100 that's I think more than last time cuz I cuz I yeah... I've been doing this for 10 years”
Topics Discussed
00:00:14
Intro & housekeeping
Brian's show intro: announcements, TTS rates, merch, Twitch plug, disclaimer. Notes late start due to no-shows.
00:03:39
Guest introductions
Panel members introduce name/age/location/occupation in order: Kay, Paloma, Lauren Roses, Lilian (mentions friend's funeral), Josie, Grace, Allison, Abigail. Andrew Wilson announced as joining later.
00:11:11
Lilian's friend's funeral
Discussion about Lilian attending a friend's (young musician, 20s) funeral the same morning. Brian skeptical of same-day funeral (unusual); Lilian explains friend had no family present at informal gathering.
00:16:00
Relationship status round
Each guest describes their relationship status, longest relationship, and recent dating history. Includes Paloma's situationship, Lauren's courtesan work as 'relationships', Josie's divorce and son, Abigail's marriage.
01:03:00
Josie's financial requirements for men
Josie itemizes ~$3000+/month in bills she expects a partner to pay. Says she brings 'my pretty self' to the table. Abigail and Brian challenge the logic.
01:05:00
Modern dating & social media discussion
Guests discuss how social media and OnlyFans have changed dating. Lauren on media training for entertainers. Lilian and Allison on pornography effects on young minds.
01:16:11
'Feral' comment and panel tension
Brian calls this 'one of the most feral panels' he's had. Paloma objects, accuses Brian of interrogating Lilian's friend's death. Heightened tension between Paloma and Brian.
02:00:32
Andrew Wilson joins (call-in)
Andrew Wilson joins via Callin app for Father's Day. Introduces himself to panel. Notes it's been hectic show from what he heard.
02:08:20
Man vs. bear question
Chat donation prompts 'man vs bear in the woods' discussion. Guests debate whether they'd rather encounter a strange man or a bear alone in the woods. Various takes; Lauren and Allison provide nuanced responses.
03:00:00
Gender roles and feminism debate
Andrew Wilson leads debate asking each guest if they identify as feminist (using charitable definition: rejection of patriarchy for equality). Allison strongly anti-feminist (Christian complementarian). Josie non-committal. Others mixed.
04:16:50
Paloma rage quit
Paloma walks off show at ~4:27 after refusing to answer feminist identity question. Says she's 'not obligated to argue.' Brian and Andrew confirm it's a rage quit.
04:20:00
Biblical canon debate
Josie mentions Book of Enoch. Andrew Wilson and Allison debate which books belong in the Bible, Protestant vs. Orthodox canons, whether God has sovereignty over scripture selection.
04:36:20
Ratings round
Guests rate themselves on face/body/total (1-10 scale, no 7s allowed). Josie goes first: 10/10/10. Lilian: 8/6. Grace: 6/7.5/6. Allison: 6/7.5/6. Abigail: 8/6/6. Also round of 'prettiest in room' votes.
05:00:00
Breast implant discussion
Lilian says she wants breast implants despite having 32D. Josie discusses her BBL and implants. Allison regrets her breast augmentation pre-Christianity. Grace and Brian push back on body modification.
06:16:20
Body count round
Going around the table: Lauren reveals 1,100 over 10 years. Grace ~2. Allison single digits. Grace's 'under 20' caveat. Andrew Wilson reaction to 1,100.
06:20:00
Racism and can minorities be racist
Discussion of whether only white people can be racist vs. anyone can be racist. Josie takes 'only white people' position. Brian and Andrew challenge this.
07:08:00
Bumble swiping segment
Guests swipe through Bumble profiles. Lilian and Grace shown profiles; mostly rejected. Lauren also participates. Age preferences discussed (Lilian: 19-23; Grace: 18-21).
08:27:00
Show wrap-up
Brian thanks Andrew Wilson for ~6 hours of debate. Raid to Andrew Wilson's channel for 100K subscriber push.
Transcript
Page 3 of 10
01:53:21
Brian Atlasnow and then [ __ ] you but if your standard is I will not sleep with you until you pay XYZ bill I think that's just a standard I don't think I think
01:53:33
Josiethat's a standard women should should most women should cuz I feel like women are selling themselves Short Selling themselves short of what they could actually be receiving in a relationship
01:53:43
Josieand most men especially wealthy men have stay-at home wives and they provide for them so are they prostitutes are they escorts are they all that I mean I think you're selling yourself
01:53:55
Allisonshort because I don't think so guys that have money and spending it on girls it doesn't really even mean that he likes you or cares about you if he especially if he has money he'll do that for multiple women when a guy really likes
01:54:06
Allisonyou he'll probably marry you um guys are into married and stuff but just spending money on you doesn't mean that he truly likes you or cares about you and and just and just because you know just like a lot of women date for a very long time
01:54:18
Josieand you know they might be bringing a lot to the table they might have held this man down when he was down and out they might have took care of his kids they might have raised his kids they might have bailed him out of situations
01:54:31
Josiewhat what not that doesn't mean he's going to marry you either so what you know what's the standard like marriage is really a choice between both people like so that's not like money being involved or not has nothing to do with
01:54:42
Josiemarriage I think like personally but you know I think I think a man has more interest in you and will be more interested in in a deeper relationship if he's already investing in you it's
01:54:55
Lauren Rosesgoing to make it very much harder for him to leave you I don't think guys car I have a question I think they do I I have a question I think that sometimes in in just my personal experience with life and everything what
01:55:07
Lauren RosesI've brought to the table has made men not want to date me and intimidated them to the point where like it makes me like try to like hide who I am men don't like very independent women and and it hurts
01:55:19
Lauren Rosesme it does they have the desire to provide independent woman there and that's why I'm like I'm here to love you and I'm here to be there and I I would I'm a very submissive person but I just
01:55:32
Lauren Rosesfind myself in that situation a lot with dating and it's just it seems like they get jealous of me like very angry I've noticed this in my personal life to the point where like it's like I've given and I've given and I've given and I just
01:55:43
Lauren Rosesdon't know why you just can't accept like want to see me smile kind of thing like you you don't want to see me live this so so that's that's what I wonder about things so that's where that's where the whole you know bringing to the table I try to hide what I bring to the
01:55:56
Brian Atlastable because I feel like if I bring too much like can I ask you a question so okay so your new standard is has this always been your standard with every single guy you have had sex with okay so
01:56:07
Brian Atlasobviously your standard is you'll date a guy for months but until he starts providing for you so paying for your rent paying for your car paying for your
01:56:17
Brian Atlasmakeup your uh I forgot the other stuff your insurance your utility bills you won't sleep with him until he starts doing that uh yeah investing can I ask
01:56:29
Brian Atlasyou a question so you you do you're a single mom the father of your child did he have to do all that stuff for you to sleep with him no but that what he's the reason why I'm like this so what do you
01:56:40
Brian Atlasmean he's the reason thank you you helped me out but don't you think I mean um what what about I'm sure I'm sure wait wait wait hold on hold on so you dated other guys too before him right
01:56:52
Brian Atlasyeah I was in a one relationship after and so have you ever had this stand like yeah I mean my last relationship no but I mean like prior to that like have you dated multiple guys not at the same time but have you dated
01:57:05
Brian Atlasmultiple guys and this was never the standard you just you liked them so you slept with them not really I mean cuz so are you saying that every single guy you've slept with they had to what
01:57:16
Josieprovide provide no I just said that my baby daddy I mean my baby father didn't really but we were both really young so I mean I can't really expect when I look back at that relationship I can't really expect that because I didn't have that
01:57:29
Josiestandard going into the relationship as well also I was young I was 17 so what 17-year-old is thinking like oh I got bills and stuff like you're not thinking that so like that relationship and the
01:57:39
Josieand me having a kid and all that those were consequences of my actions you know but so honestly and I love my son no I love my son and um he's a blessing and
01:57:49
Josieeverything but I have my son at like 19 like that's young like you know so I just feel like for women I just wish women would have more of a standard and
01:57:59
Brian Atlasthey wouldn't end up in such crazy predicaments but I mean in terms of kind of looking at uh you know
01:58:09
Brian Atlaswhat the guys who would potentially be wanting to date you MH uh in terms of like the value proposition don't you think you would
01:58:19
Unknownhave oh yeah sorry what she's just got chips I just
01:58:28
Brian Atlasokay don't you think the value proposition mhm to the men like don't you think you would have had more
01:58:38
Brian Atlasleverage prior to dating all these dudes having being a single mom you would have had more leverage to secure a guy who would actually be okay with the sort of
01:58:49
Josiearrangement you're proposing as compared to now I'm confused with your question what you mean I
01:58:58
Josiemean what say just say it again just say the question okay it's like you got a you got a kid m a lot of single men like if they don't have a kid
01:59:11
Brian Atlasthey probably don't want to deal with that not all men some some men are okay with it yeah hard anything how how are the guys going to feel like okay you let the past 10 dudes hit it on the first
01:59:23
Josiedate but I got a you got a 3 Monon I don't know what your actual minimum you got a three-month waiting Rule and the guys got to pay for you waiting I'm no I mean it's not it's definitely not that
01:59:34
Josieit's um first off I didn't let the last 10 dudes hit um for free and nobody's hitting like that because I have a standard for myself so and I've always had a type standard I was in a very long
01:59:46
Josierelationship I was very loyal you know coming out of that relationship getting another relationship it was the same thing I was very loyal but I just had more standards in this relation let me rephrase the question so is the standard
01:59:58
Brian Atlasthat you just disclosed that you have now the standard of yeah a guy hold on the guy has to provide is that a standard that you
02:00:08
Josieheld like all the previous men to I don't know how many that with my my my last my my baby father no because we were young like we were both in like high school like what high schooler is
02:00:20
Josiegoing to pay for a high school bills like that's not even a thing but I didn't know at that time so every guy After High School yeah I mean kind of not After
02:00:32
Brian AtlasHigh School I was with my baby daddy till I was 22 so anyways after that I do want to introduce Andrew Wilson czy uh welcome this is uh welcome this has been
02:00:43
Andrew Wilsonan absolutely hectic show Andrew you've missed quite a bit but uh welcome man hello everybody how are you doing hey my name is Andrew um you know I guess uh to
02:00:55
Andrew Wilsonthe whatever Podcast chat Happy Father's Day to all the fathers out there Happy Father's um Mass respect for you and um yeah thanks uh thanks for having me I did have a another engagement um this uh
02:01:08
Andrew Wilsonthis Father's day but that's taken care of so here I am on the show and looking forward to interlocking with you guys all right welcome Andrew good to have you man good to have you so even even the the one who's been totally
02:01:20
Andrew Wilsondisrespectful the entire even you right even you I'm happy to have a convo with you I'm happy to talk with you you see how charitable I am this Father's
02:01:30
Andrew Wilsonday did you get some Intel Andrew did The Crucible crew did they give you a little Intel well I listened a little bit as I was driving over to get some
02:01:40
Andrew Wilsonbeer because I could tell I was going to need to fortify myself for this show um I did uh I did give a bit of a listen um but I mean there's been way way War
02:01:52
Andrew Wilsonwomen on the show let's be honest so uh thus far I think it's all I think it's all good right we're all having a good time let's get back to that let's get the energy back up we'll get back to having a good time here sounds good that
02:02:03
Brian Atlassounds good so I'm going to get into some of my pre-show notes Here uh I'm trying to see where we are I don't know if you need any intros from any of the
02:02:13
TTSgirls but uh trying to think where we left anom Noles donated $200 thank you happy Father's Day question
02:02:25
TTSfor each lady is satisfaction or Joy what your father feels about their little girl's relationship and or strumpet Behavior pride in immutable
02:02:34
Brian Atlascharacteristics is evil strumpet CRA Joy your father feels about their little girl's relationship in her stump wait I'm a little confused
02:02:45
Andrew WilsonBehavior so what what Anson is asking here uh he's saying do you think that your father feels pride and joy uh at any of the person now I I don't know uh
02:02:57
Andrew Wilsonas I don't have the background on any of you just yet uh but he's saying if if any of you uh kind of are involved in promiscuous Behavior do you think that your parents feel Joy about that
02:03:08
Andrew Wilsonspecifically your father's I got something to say about that when when my dad you look like you you look like he had something so anyway go ahead I tried
02:03:20
Andrew Wilsonwhen I first started dancing I don't dance anymore obviously but I work as a you know cortis uh but when my mother wait wait hang on I'm sorry um I just want to clarify very quickly when you say cortis do you mean an escort a legal
02:03:34
Lauren Rosesuh prostitute at the moonlight bunny ranch uh it's legal and uh yeah they have got one in Vegas actually yeah they they do well well isn't I mean yours would have to be in Nevada right I think it Nevada yeah mine's in Carson City but
02:03:47
Andrew Wilsonthey used to have one in Vegas okay so yeah so Carson City about5 minutes away from Reno roughly yeah so um pretty much um when my
02:03:58
Lauren Rosesdad my mom was mad that she found my W2 when I was a dancer back in the day when I danced she said you weren't working at the new dance bar are you and I was like
02:04:08
Lauren Roseswell yeah I am and and my mom was kind of upset about it but when my dad he was like he gave me the fist pump and he's like you go girl and I'm like from like you know a dude that was in the military
02:04:19
Lauren Rosesand stuff like I was like but but I'm going to tell you this so my my middle name wa wait wait hang on no I'm going to tell you hang on hang on hang on hang on let's back up just so you guys know
02:04:31
Andrew Wilsonum if if we're having a a discussion back and forth because I'm remoted in uh when you're talking if if we're talking at the same time I actually can't hear you right so I can only hear it one way
02:04:43
Andrew Wilsonum so so if we can just talk one at a time that'd be that'd be great so but backing up cuz I want to make sure your dad fist found your W2 that you're working as a as as I'm sorry a prostitute and he fist bumped you it
02:04:55
Andrew Wilsonwasn't a prostitute it was a dancer at the time but he said you go girl what kind well what kind of dancer I was a newe dancer at I mean the the delineation I think I think that it's
02:05:06
Andrew Wilsonkind of semantics right so yeah well like you know I mean a lot of people including myself would consider um stripping to be prostitution it was yeah yeah it was it was but he's
02:05:17
Lauren Roseslike yeah he's like here you go girl and I was like oh my God I it felt kind of just it felt good to me cuz I felt like at the time when I was a dancer I tried to hide it you know I got a bunch of fake Red Bull shirts so I would make fake Red Bull shirts and F because to be like I
02:05:30
Lauren Roseswas a promoter or something and I'd put on these shirts and say I was going downtown this is when I was like 22 years old and and I would come back with the shirt on obviously I wasn't using it the whole night but um finally that's when my mom found out but when my dad
02:05:43
Lauren Rosessaid that I just I thought it was so funny and what' your mom say my mom was mad cuz she was an ex cop and she didn't like she she didn't like she's fine with the Tantra I don't know if she's fine
02:05:55
Lauren Roseswith anything else particularly as far as like the uh cortis work goes with a tantra what's the Tantra so I'm a tantra practitioner and I've been to many Retreats um these are like holistic
02:06:06
Lauren RosesRetreats where we learn Mind Body Soul and sexual uh you know connection and so it's it's like um it's like es esoteric sexuality essentially she's fine with that she's not really fine with like
02:06:19
Lauren Roseslike stuff that's like even girlfriend experience porn starch she's kind of like borderline on that um but she's fine with the Tantra but she's not fine with the others so it's really interesting I think it's because like I had to get trained in it and she's she
02:06:32
Lauren Roseswants me to get trained in something so she does my mother does say to me like you know I hope you that you know you're smart girl I hope you get trained in something and I tell her I was like you know I enjoy uh holistic sexuality I
02:06:43
Lauren Rosesenjoy exploring with people I feel like I'm a safe person and I have been to many you know Retreats and I've just been through a lot so I I know how people what what happens at these
02:06:54
Lauren RosesRetreats um at The Retreat so we really kind of got to dive into oursel there's a lot of if you Google I'm trying to say like not a lot of them are F they're not
02:07:04
Lauren Rosesfilmed but um I I went to the International School of Temple arts and um a lot a lot of is this like is this like Teal Swan stuff yes is Teal Swan I like T Swan but but you know teal you
02:07:16
Andrew Wilsonknow I but I mean is same ballpark it's like Teal Swan esoteric sexuality it um kind of diving into yourself and channeling Spirits in order to do sex
02:07:28
Lauren Rosesmagic that kind of thing kind of but but but they'll rip you apart at these things like you'll be in tears by like day three they will just shred you to pieces and and and and it has to because you have to break and like crack open in
02:07:39
Lauren Rosesorder to be able to understand the depths of someone's emotions so you have to be like put through the paper shredder and and if you are ready a lot of these people were kind of grinded by life and then you get grinded by life
02:07:51
Lauren Roseseven more when you go there because they ex they un they open I'm so sorry they open up the wounds again and yeah I mean but it's basically cult brainwashing
02:07:59
Lauren Rosesright you know there is that um okay so I actually have some some okay so that is why I don't believe in communes and living on communes is because uh my
02:08:13
Lauren Rosesmentor she's passed away now but her name was s is Adora and she's a tantric sex guru and um she grew up yeah she grew up on on one of those like kind of
02:08:23
Lauren Rosesyou know the Jim Jones that whole thing and and I don't believe in the problem with some spiritual communities that I have is is
02:08:35
Lauren Rosesthe like you said with the brainwashing it's so in spiritual communities you can't fight you can't like say oh you're a jerk you're a [ __ ] you can't say that so what they do is they start to oh your vision might not be good today oh oh my gosh you might not be hearing me
02:08:47
Lauren Rosescorrectly the gaslighting is Big so you've got to be really and when you call somebody out on that they will block you like I was actually blocked by a spiritual like person who I followed
02:08:58
Lauren Roseswith over a million followers and I was blocked by her because I called her out on it because they were question they said oh I think you just need to listen to me again I me so so why do you participate in these things so there's there's some things I believe in and
02:09:10
Lauren Rosesthen there's some things I don't and that's why I don't in I don't completely live like on a commune I don't live that life because even my spiritual teacher um Aon kleinerman who was the you know
02:09:22
Lauren Roseshe was a warvet and he went into the Tantra and became a tantra practitioner he didn't agree with some of that stuff too that there's certain great things about Tantra but the community and how they interpret it there are those there
02:09:33
Lauren Rosescould be that weirdness that goes on and I is there is there a lot of sex that's going on at these things there there is um as far as not not like sex but it's
02:09:43
Lauren Roseslike there is talk about sex there's talk about like you know I guess how you open yourself up to you know the world how you open yourself up to others um
02:09:53
Lauren Rosesit's everything has to be consensual um for me I didn't have sex at any of these um but I'm I've heard at other Retreats not at the ones that I went to that there were sex that goes down and I
02:10:04
Andrew Wilsondidn't go to those but I have heard that okay so I'm very selective with teachers yeah yeah yeah I get I get it I just want to make sure that I'm I'm clear because I'm kind of coming into the conversation late so but you are right
02:10:16
Andrew Wilsonthere are that do you're hiding I mean it's very it's very cult to right it's very very ulty there's um there's no if hands or butts about it tons of D some tons of people get damaged from these
02:10:27
Andrew Wilsonsorts of uh of Retreats and speak out about it for years afterwards some can there there's entire swas of teal Schwan's following who've broken off and talked about the horrors that go on
02:10:37
Andrew Wilsoninside of these kind of uh sexual based Retreats so my I guess my my overarching question is and I you know think about it for a second before you answer do you think that maybe the reason you're
02:10:49
Andrew Wilsoninterested in those and those cult-like Retreats the sex Retreats is because they're actually less judgmental than the population at large about your
02:10:57
Lauren Rosesprofession I think that um I've been devious like with I I think sex is something that isn't new to me I've
02:11:06
Lauren Rosesknown this like my entirety of my life and um I think that the Retreats it's almost like a moth to a light you know
02:11:16
Lauren Roseslike I go and I I just feel like in my soul that it is right for me um but I I know when something is wrong I know when boundaries get pushed and that's when I'm not cool with I respect everyone's boundaries that I've been
02:11:29
Lauren Roseswith I would never run one of those Retreats cuz I feel like that would be one of the most difficult jobs in the world I don't know how my teachers do it the ones that I have are the ones that I well they get paid a lot of money that's
02:11:38
Lauren Roseshow they do it they do they do and and they the ones that I have are very good and I would honestly like on God would not recommend anybody else than the ones
02:11:49
Andrew Wilsonthat I saw because I don't trust anyone else but the ones I saw okay so I think I think I got a bit about of your background now and kind of understand um where it is that you're at and where it is that you're coming from so U Brian if
02:12:02
Brian Atlasyou want to continue with your questions U on the backgrounds uh yeah so we are going to get into some of the uh pre-show topics
02:12:12
Brian Atlashere uh we have a decent amount to get through just trying to couple no- shows I going to skip that but I do want to uh I kind of actually want now that you're here Andrew I'm kind of want to get into
02:12:25
Brian Atlassome of our more uh more heated questions heated conversation topics so I don't think we'll debate it but I
02:12:37
Brian Atlasdo actually want to get answers so we'll do the bare thing we're not going to really debate it much but I always like to at least get the answers so starting with you would you rather come across a
02:12:49
Brian Atlasrandom man or a random bear in the wood I'm going to go man um I don't even know you haven't heard
02:13:01
Palomathis no I have have I've thought about it I think both can bring danger if you had to pick one like um yeah if you just if if you had to pick one if um you know there was there was a
02:13:14
Andrew Wilsonthere was a button there was a magic button and you had to select one one was Bear one was man which one do you think you would press I'd probably say bear why is that
02:13:25
Palomaum I just feel like you know it's just like easier to kind of get them to go away it's easier to get a bear to go
02:13:36
Palomaaway I mean yeah I mean I just feel like men are very unpredictable aren't wild animals unpredictable I can predict that the bear is going to kill me yeah I mean
02:13:48
Lauren Rosesthat's why I'm saying y'all like I don't know but if you're going to ask me to choose one I'm probably going to say bear we'll get everybody's answers go ahead so I picked the bear last time and I picked the bear this time I could
02:13:59
Graceeither move that's it okay what about you bear man wait what did you pick last time I picked Bear yeah okay what do you pick uh I
02:14:10
Brian Atlaspicked the man yeah random man for sure we do need to wait until she's back the one who's gone from the table to get her
02:14:19
Lauren Rosesanswer um those of you who said bear so you said bear you said bear bear uh why bear so I pick bear so I've noticed I've
02:14:30
Lauren Rosesdone some self-reflection since then and and just recently I've had a lot of negative experiences with men but it seems like the more positive experiences that I have with men and the more like safety that I feel I might be inclined
02:14:43
Lauren Rosesto pick the man and I'm starting to wonder is just did I just get bad luck at the draw like in a sense like in the past and that's why my judgment is skewed cuz that's the way I choose bear
02:14:54
Lauren Rosesbecause of that is that a safe thing for me to do or it if some people have really bad things happened to them should they just kind of look at things as a whole and be like look you might have had like 10 bad things happen to
02:15:06
Lilianyou but things could change so I don't know yeah why do you pick bear sorry um I think I would pick well I know I would pick the bear just
02:15:17
Lilianbecause I'd say both have Primal instincts but overall a bear would be more predictable considering the fact that it is a primal animal and less intelligent than a man
02:15:27
Brian Atlasum I feel like when you say the bear would be more predictable you mean you could more predictably imagine it attacking you compared to a man well the
02:15:38
Brian Atlasbear say both are like per se hostile then if the bear is hostile that's not but okay that's not the question you don't know if the random man's hostile you don't know if the Bear's hostile
02:15:49
Lilianthey could be they might not be well if the man's hostile then no taking the chance that's less predictable I'm saying if you know that like say like if you're stuck in the forest with a man and a bear if the bear gets provoked what's it going to do attack you if the
02:16:02
Lilianman gets provoked you don't know what the [ __ ] the man's going to do so I'm saying the bear like you know what it's going to do if it get provoked let's let me ask you a question though
02:16:14
Brian Atlasum you mentioned provoked if I put both of the men like just a random man and a random be in in the situation I think actually if you
02:16:24
Brian Atlasprovoke a bear versus you provoke like some nerdy gamer guy who's NE who would never hurt a fly like you could even go like you could probably walk up to a lot
02:16:34
Brian Atlasof dudes and literally poke them and they would not do anything to you do you think you would have that same experience with men or sorry excuse me with Bears um well the bear would definitely try to eat you and you don't
02:16:46
Brian Atlasknow if the random man in the forest is going to be a nerdy gamer I I would argue you do hold on I would argue you could actually do this social experiment and you could actually go out into the street and just approach a random man
02:16:58
Brian Atlasand you could even you could even like like poke him kind of annoyingly poke him in the shoulder you don't know what they're going to do he can't eat you alive uh well here's the thing
02:17:09
Andrew Wilsonthough is I mean the but I mean he's agreeing right he's saying you're right you don't you don't know what they'll do but but let us assume for a second that you had 20 men and 20 random bears
02:17:21
Andrew Wilsonif you went and poked the 20 men in the chest like this versus poking 20 bears in the chest like this which one do you think would be more likely to I don't know eat your face well I don't know I
02:17:32
Andrew Wilsonmean you you no I me no listen like the bear would be more likely to eat your face but you don't know if the man like that's the thing you don't know like what he has on him he could have a no I agree you don't know the man could freak out right he could freak out he could do
02:17:44
Andrew Wilsonhorrible things but which one but which one do you think is more which one do you think is more likely to freak out if you walk over and start poking him in the chest a random man or a random bear well the bear would definitely eat your
02:17:56
Lilianface but you know for a fact that the bear would eat your face that's predictable that's what I'm saying the whole point of my entire I guess opinion on this factor is that the bear would in fact eat your face so would you rather die because it's gu you rather
02:18:10
Allisonpredictably die have a man look at you like guys aren't understanding what she's saying well she's just trying to word it wor like she wants to hate men so bad but it just doesn't make sense
02:18:23
Brian Atlaswe do need to get her response from this so the question is would you rather would you rather come across a random man or a random bear in the woods oh I mean why are you in the woods
02:18:34
Brian Atlasas a man like okay do hold on hold on hold on because you guys are incapable of engaging with a hypothetical no no no I'm going to answer the question here's the scenario okay okay there there is no
02:18:46
Brian Atlasmotivation there you're literally you press there's a magic and a random man in the United States a totally random man gets dropped into the woods so do you and you guys are going
02:18:57
Josieto cross paths would I rather I'd rather cross cross path with a man than a bear to be honest cuz maybe you can help me get the hell out these Woods like a bear is not going to be able to help me but
02:19:09
Josieokay so in the scenario you pick I'm picking a man I think I have a Ser I just feel like you know if I'm walking through the woods and then I just randomly see a man I mean let's we like a walking trail but if I'm like lost in the woods and there's just a random man
02:19:21
Andrew Wilsonin the woods I'll be kind of creeped out it's not really the question if you were lost in the woods and you found came across a random man in the woods well I mean I'd be like I'm lost but I'd be like what are you doing I guess you're
02:19:33
Josieright you're right but I mean wouldn't you be like I'm lost can you help me you're right you're right I'd be freaked I'd be like not like what are you doing here I'd be like help me yeah help help right be like help I'm lost in these
02:19:44
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] Woods this sucks I I have a question God you switched to man right yeah I switched to man okay uh Andrew you were going to have it back and forth I think with her on yeah well
02:19:55
Andrew WilsonI wanted to ask um so so I just want to make sure because I I think I understand uh why a lot of women pick the bear um and I think I think that what you're trying to say is um it's due to the
02:20:07
Andrew Wilsonpredictable nature of bears they're easier to predict men can do much more unpredictable things and they have kind of the strength and will in order to have more perverse actions than the Bear
02:20:19
Andrew Wilsonyes okay so you kind of want us to see it from your angle so let me ask a counter question so you can see it from our angle and I I'd like an honest answer from everybody do you think a man would rather tell his feelings to a
02:20:30
Andrew Wilsonwoman or a tree a tree probably hang on hang on going around the table would a man rather tell his feelings to a woman or a tree definitely
02:20:41
Josiea woman a tree uh a tree like it depends on the situation but I guess it's true I feel like he wants to tell it to a woman but he feel like he can't so he'd rather just go talk talk to a tree I
02:20:54
Andrew Wilsonagree a tree probably a tree well then if the social commentary is that we need to be looking at it from your end that you perceive men as being kind of
02:21:04
Andrew Wilsonunpredictable and dangerous and comparison to this massive wild animal which is known for you know mauling random people then shouldn't you also take into account and take responsibility on the woman's end for
02:21:17
Andrew Wilsonthe fact that men can't even talk to you or discuss with you how we feel about anything and would rather tell it to an inanimate object than you yes and I have a quick question about that that this
02:21:27
Lauren Rosesfor the table whatever um my question is this how come the idea of 20 men finding them in the forest compared to a bear sounds safer than me than me with one man how come that is I don't yeah how
02:21:39
Andrew Wilsonbut but I mean I I could engage with you on it but why would I tell you how I felt about it I'd rather talk to a [ __ ] tree right and this is this is the whole point the whole point is is that you know I would rather open open
02:21:50
Andrew Wilsonup about my feelings to a tree than open up about my feelings to you by your own admission and yet the social commentary is only one dimensional where you say but well how come men won't take
02:22:01
Andrew Wilsonresponsibility for how we feel about them well how come you won't see it from our angle that as we're having this discussion I would probably prefer to take a random inanimate object in this
02:22:12
Andrew Wilsoncase a tree and open up about my feelings to the tree than you and you know it's true well I mean like I isn't that crazy like where's the responsibility from the other
02:22:23
Lauren Rosesdirection set that up for your disagree I admit it it is a bit it is a bit outlandish in a sense because it's like I mean I'm thinking if I were to encounter 20 men or a bear I would feel safer with the 20 men than the one man I
02:22:36
Lauren RosesI don't know maybe it's is it because you have bad experience with one man I never had a bad experience with 20 man is that is that it is that just the bias like the confir well no no no now listen so what we're looking at is we're
02:22:47
Andrew Wilsonlooking at um kind of a a plural a plural meaning here from the woman's perspective so I'm taking myself out of my shoes trying to put myself into the
02:22:57
Andrew Wilsonshoes of you you say listen I'd much rather come across a random bear than a man because I can ascribe all of these motivations onto a random man of things
02:23:07
Andrew Wilsonthat they could do to me which are sick and twisted and dark and horrible and you know I can maybe at least predict the bear and it's like men from from the woman's perspective like I I don't
02:23:18
TTSunderstand why men don't donated $100 only a female could be stupid enough to pick a wild animal that will kill them over a grown man who can save her life there is a reason no good man wants
02:23:30
Lilianthese women D all right G One Motorsports there he is coming in gr W the legend himself actually I do have a point to
02:23:41
Andrew Wilsonmake so anyway so back to this just real quick this exchange um what we're looking at is The Duality if I'm taking myself out of my shoes and I'm putting myself in your shoes I'm trying to see it from your
02:23:53
Andrew Wilsonangle cuz to me it's insane right a woman saying I I'd rather I'd rather have a random but I'm going okay this is the problem with the social commentary from the female perspective we're not
02:24:03
Andrew Wilsonlistening to the women and how they feel about us but then when I bring up the tree you kind of instantly are like yeah of course a tree but then don't give a [ __ ] right you're just like well and
02:24:13
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] them I don't care if they would prefer to talk to we have done nothing or perfect if they have to go talk to a tree that's also men's fault can I ask
02:24:24
Andrew Wilsonyou a question go ahead why do you think men can't express their feelings to women or to anybody honestly cuz y'all don't give a [ __ ] yeah because you don't care and you don't so the thing
02:24:35
Andrew Wilsonis if you response yeah so I'm going to I'm going to answer your question right if you don't give a [ __ ] uh and you don't right and this is why you know
02:24:46
Palomathat not and we don't who said we don't give a [ __ ] you did you said that you know that men would rather open up to a tree than you I'm so sorry but me saying that I know men would rather open up to
02:24:56
Palomaa tree does not mean that I don't give a [ __ ] about what a man says like she doesn't feel because men because of the system
02:25:07
Andrew Wilsonmen have set up themselves men's fault that they would rather talk to a tree probably because of the system men have set up right so it's men's fault that they would rather talk to a tree women have no
02:25:19
Andrew Wilsonaccountability at all it actually is yeah exactly that's the whole point of The Duality the reason we don't give a [ __ ] about the Absurd [ __ ] answer of women who go I'd really fight a bear in the woods even though none of you ever
02:25:31
Andrew Wilsonexperienced a [ __ ] random bear in the woods you have no idea what that's like the most terrifying experience of your life you had you have what happened with you and the Bear in the woods tell me go ahead tell me give me a story about you
02:25:43
Andrew Wilsonand the Bear in the wood stood and it was predictable and it went away what happened I Stood Still I could predict what bear would do when I would stand and hide this actually happens yes where
02:25:55
Andrew WilsonI'm from California I've been to Tahoe multiple of times so up in up in Tahoe what type of bear came around you you just stood still and it walked off
02:26:03
Andrew Wilsonyep where because cuz Bears guess what they're predictable men aren't now Bears especially in Tahoe are not predictable uh especially because they eat human
02:26:15
Andrew Wilsongarbage and things like this people out there feed them it's a massive problem they're usually in those areas ultraviolent because they have no fear of humans totally unpredictable but the point is is that we don't the reason
02:26:28
Andrew Wilsonthat we don't give a [ __ ] about the social commentary on this we don't care to see it from a woman's perspective of but don't you men understand why it is that you're so dangerous is because when I bring up a counter example of the tree
02:26:41
Palomayou go well that's also men's fault it is it literally is you guys have set up this system for yourselves wait what system what do you mean what system men telling men telling their sons men
02:26:53
Palomatelling their sons you know you can't cry you can't express this you can't express that be tough that's yall set that [ __ ] up so hold on Abigail you respond then you have something go ahead
02:27:03
Abigailokay I would say the reason sons are raised to suck it up is you asked him this just this is just an example you
02:27:12
Abigailasked L Paladin donated $200 maybe the bear was at the funeral could be y making some money you asked
02:27:20
Abigailhim why he thinks that men would pick the tree and he answered and he answered with the same answer and you said okay give me an actual good answer so they elaborated on how they feel on the
02:27:33
Abigailsubject and you started yelling and I never asked why they think I wouldn't want to share my feelings with that just can you be straight just be straight on no like I'm be straight on like turn the
02:27:44
Brian Atlasmicrophone you're hiding behind the mic scoot it scoot it to the edge SC scoot it to the edge of the table scoot the mic to the edge of the table it is like so yeah the reason the
02:27:56
Palomareason he's asking that from the from the audience perspective if your if your mouth isn't actually close to the mic when you're speaking nobody can hear what you're saying I hear what you're saying I I didn't know my mic was far
02:28:08
Andrew Wilsonaway I apologize yeah yeah it well I mean it happens all the time because uh you're in the conversation and it's easy for people to shift that's how body language works all that stuff so my bad
02:28:18
Abigailyeah yeah no big deal but um so if he expressed to Brian here why he would rather talk to a tree Than a Woman Brian would understand I doubt you'd talk over him or say that's not a good enough
02:28:30
Abigailanswer he expressed those feelings to you you talked over him you said it wasn't a good enough answer but you're also saying you responded that way and nobody would want to share their feelings with that that's just objectively true you responded that way and you're also blaming men for not
02:28:43
Palomawanting to share their feelings with women if I'm correct me if I'm wrong but all they said is they would rather talk to a tree and that was just the you're actually interrupting me and you talking to me about interrupting you I'm so glad
02:28:55
TTShim not dating donated $200 big stresses that I can only solve must be internalized and dealt with saving the stress and worry from a spouse whom looks up to me for guidance
02:29:07
Brian Atlasand Leadership amen I'm talking to a [ __ ] tree 100% yo I'm so glad not hey thank thank you for the uh TTS man also kill of cial sorry if I was a little tilted earlier I don't know if you're still watching uh it was just kind of a
02:29:20
Brian Atlashectic moment but I'm so glad I'm not dating get to see you he was waiting for me to come on and wish me Happy Father's Day that's all all Cal I'm not even sure if he he's still in the chat but I'm so glad I'm not dating thank you man
02:29:32
Palomaappreciate it uh go ahead with your that um I was just saying they told me that they would rather speak to a tree and they said oh why is that and I just said well y'all set that system up that's all
02:29:42
Andrew WilsonI said no well no actually the opposite happened what happened is we asked you what do you think men would rather do talk to to open up to a woman or open up to a tree and you said said to a tree
02:29:55
Andrew Wilsonright so this was not us ju deposing a position on to you this was you rather tell agreed that you would rather talk to a tree I said yeah and I said why why
02:30:06
Brian Atlaswould you hold hold on can you just straighten up here look straighten up scoot the mic this way scoot it to the very edge of the table cuz you end up what you end up doing is you're like hiding behind the microphone so just
02:30:18
Palomaspeak straight into the microphone posture it's okay go ahead so yeah I was just saying like why would men rather talk to a tree probably because from the age of like two they were told that they can't express their emotions they can't
02:30:30
Abigailfeel this they can't feel that they can't cry they need to toughen up that was what I'm going based off of is when you said you asked them why do you guys think women would rather or men would rather talk to a treat and they said
02:30:43
Abigailbecause women don't care and you said give me an actual good answer that was both of their answers and you didn't like their answer that was them exing you didn't like it I'm happy to engage with with her answer I'm happy to engage
02:30:56
Andrew Wilsonwith her answer because I think it's actually interesting and rather telling right it's it's the man's fault that he would rather do that but I but this is The Duality that I'm trying to point out The Duality is this the reason that you
02:31:07
Andrew Wilsonthink that men are so unpredictable you don't know what they're going to do this and that is is precisely because some men cannot control their emotions because they don't have good impulse
02:31:18
Andrew Wilsoncontrol because they do do act out and when they do act out they do a lot of damage because of their lack of emotional control and yet here you are saying if only men had less of this
02:31:30
Lauren Rosesemotional control could open up to us uh wouldn't that be actually counterproductive to your position of the bear though I think opening up to a part of empathy like to on a on a level of
02:31:41
Lauren Rosesempathy Nick I well okay I'm willing to challenge my own delusion I I will say this I'm willing to hold on I'm sorry I wasn't this directed
02:31:52
Brian Atlasat you oh I'm sorry yeah so you're kind of what did you say he was directing didn't hear what I said towards you no you didn't hear what he was saying no pleas fix none of it no fix what okay well then I'll just have the
02:32:05
Brian Atlasconversation with the person who's listening to what I'm actually saying so anyway back to back to where we're at wait you know wait wait hold on I want to tune into something that actually just occurred Andrew the the thing that you brought up was do you think a man
02:32:17
Josiewould rather share his feelings to a woman or a tree yeah she wasn't listening to anything right she wasn't listening to even though you've been perfect care woman full of women that
02:32:29
Brian Atlaseven though you've been perfectly respectful Andrew you've been perfectly polite she intentionally just refuse to even hear what you had to say and hear
02:32:39
Brian Atlashow you felt and hear how you thought about the conversation at hand she's literally just proved your point I'm just going to say it wasn't intentional it's also your fault I'm just going to
02:32:51
Andrew Wilsonyou're speaking on me so can I say something wasn't intentional I genuinely just faced out he was D you guys you literally ask question which is why which is why I would rather share my feelings with a tree what would be the
02:33:03
Andrew Wilsondifference if I had shared my if I shared my shared feelings with men before and they've spaced out Andrew Andrew I've shared my feelings with men before and they've spaced out okay ADHD
02:33:14
Palomais a thing honey learn about it something I said ADHD is a thing honey learn about it hold on well I mean learn about it any gender can have it
02:33:23
Andrew Wilsonany sex can have it okay ADHD yes dude you space out like hello I'm I'm sorry I I didn't hear what you said my ADHD was going okay and that's fair and that's fair okay couple things
02:33:36
Andrew Wilsonwa wait what I did I'm sorry I can't I can't pay attention to a word you're saying cuz my ADHD is going but anyway back to so back to I got wait wait hold on hold on hold on hold on okay can you
02:33:47
Brian Atlasjust scoot your mic to the edge of the table literally an inch away from this microphone I don't know fix your posture I don't want to my mouth is literally so close to this microphone but I'm saying you can scoot the mic back and then you move your head back but I'd rather just
02:34:00
Allisonsit like this like I'm more comfortable like this whatever I'm not going to deal with this right now go ahead with your point okay my point is it is like in our society women do find emotional men who talk about their feelings less attractive and less masculine and so
02:34:13
Allisonthey really don't want to be with them so men will Mass those feelings because women don't want to be with a whiny guy who said that I have a couple things on this whole vulnerability [ __ ] too um no
02:34:24
Abigailbut who said that it's not what you say actions people women will leave emotional men they just will you see it who said that I mean I don't know I feel like it depends on the woman first all I don't think it's a
02:34:37
Andrew Wilsongender thing okay first of all I mean it's uh it's pretty it's pretty observable it must be by your own standard because you say that men are too stoic all I I can ask a couple clarifying questions on this first off
02:34:48
Brian Atlasmen and women tend to try to resolve problems in different ways typically men don't like to talk about our problems we either want Solutions we're just going to we're just going to accept it and
02:34:58
Brian Atlasmove on now I do want to try to look at this from a dating lens here so when it comes to this vulnerability thing uh do you guys just show of hands do you prefer a confident guy or a guy like if
02:35:10
Brian Atlasa guy's approaching you do you prefer him to be confident or would you prefer him to be like kind of nervous and shy and shaky so raise your hand if you prefer
02:35:21
Brian Atlasconfident raise them high raise them High please you prefer confident guys okay so you and you prefer nervous shy shaky dud just I don't prefer like honestly anything cuz like if someone comes up to me I'm not going to judge
02:35:32
Lilianthem for how they I prefer listening to me you're not going to no so you're confidence is not an attraction trigger for you confidence is attractive but I've been with someone who I was very happy with he was he was a dope guy and
02:35:43
Brian Atlashe was he was emotional he was but you're not okay if given the option you're not telling him he wants to hear oh what do you want to hear it might genuinely be her answer but she didn't really like I don't know
02:35:56
Brian Atlasif she fully understood the question so maybe not would you prefer a guy to step to you in a confident manner or a guy who's like shaky little nervous I contact's not great he he can be nervous so if he if he's nervous does that make
02:36:09
Andrew Wilsonhim emotional well we're talking about vulnerability I think that that I do think that that would be the trigger right so if you're if you're looking for uh confidence or things which gaug
02:36:20
Andrew Wilsonconfidence in men I think that the metrics are somewhat similar between men and women for how they judge confidence and I think one of those standards is going to be emotional control so uh if a person in other words
02:36:33
Andrew Wilsonif a fire starts in your kitchen and a guy starts running around and screaming just like you do uh you would say that that's not a sign of confidence nor competence
02:36:43
Andrew Wilsonright yeah so that would be this kind of lack of emotional control under uh adversar conditions seems like that would be tied in with confidence and competence well I feel like a lack of emotional control doesn't like I mean
02:36:56
Andrew Wilsonlike people can have lack of emotional control and completely fake being confident like that's yeah I don't think that has to do with h on yes that's true but what's interesting is that that's why when adversarial positions are are
02:37:07
Andrew Wilsonpushed on them you start to see whether or not that's a facade or it isn't a facade that's one of the reasons that women [ __ ] test right because they're trying to kind of push that and see if this guy actually is giving you a assade
02:37:20
Lilianor if it's the real himm well what I've noticed a lot is that you've made a general stereotype about women just saying woman this woman that when you've made an assumption about one woman at the table not all of us are we don't not all of us don't care not all of us would
02:37:33
Lilianrather a man speak to a tree than us like genuinely like as me like I try to be the best person that I can possibly be if someone needs to talk to me I'm not going to judge them for it if someone walks up to me yeah but actually the the kind of the the fallacy here flous argumentations on your behalf
02:37:46
Andrew Wilsonbecause what you're doing you're taking a generalized statement saying but not me though but it's not ma hang on hang on it's not it's not mapped to you specifically so if I say
02:37:57
Andrew Wilsonfor instance most women hang on hang on if I say most women like tall men and you go but I don't like tall men though that's a nonsecular it has nothing to do
02:38:07
Lilianwith what I'm saying it would not change the fact that most women do even if you don't but it does change an opinion well I'm just saying that not that every woman has the same opinion like I have a different one she's going to have a different they're going to have
02:38:20
Liliandifferent ones like everyone like you can't make a generalized sorry I'm not talking you can't make really a generalized statement based off of one woman like per se like I don't want we're not and we're not doing that though well you keep saying women this women that yeah I know I'm making a
02:38:32
Andrew Wilsongeneralized statement based on what we see in observations in society not that every specific woman uh follows these same criteria I'm sure there's plenty of women who like short guys I haven't met very many of them but I'm sure that
02:38:45
Palomathey're out there but in general but hang on but in general they don't seem to like short was it not a generalized statement when you said women don't care when men speak about their feelings that's a generalized statement that well no that was applied at the micro not the
02:38:57
Lilianmacro because every woman at the table said that they know that men would prefer to talk to a tree rather than what does that a woman had Original Point that's society's Norms that's not
02:39:08
Lilianit can be gender based but it also so your objection to generaliz you object to generalizations is that your point it not necessarily I would say that some men would prefer to talk to a tree but
02:39:20
Lilianthat's just because of society that's not because of women or men it's not like a gender it's not because of gender that's because of how Society has trained them to think like I would rather talk to a tree than anyone it's not a thing about gender it's just like
02:39:32
Andrew Wilsoncomfortability because like I think we canest True by asking a follow question my point let's just ask a basic followup question do you think that men are more likely to open up to
02:39:43
Liliantheir feelings to women or to other men probably to other men honestly it depends on the type because I feel like with my just in general in general everything dep well it depends because you talk about different stuff with like world isn't black and white dude there
02:39:56
Andrew Wilsonlayers to everything there's generalizations you can make there's layers to everything I have a comment I agree there's layers to everything but if we were to say that uh 51% would be
02:40:05
Andrew Wilsonmost and 40 49% would be not most would you say that most men would prefer to talk to other men about their feelings or would prefer to talk to women about their feelings from what I've noticed
02:40:16
Lilianactually women like most of most of my guy friends at least they've talked about it and I've talked about this with my parents as well including my dad and my stepdad and they're like oh like there's just women and men have a different relationship so if you're then
02:40:29
Andrew Wilsonwhy in the world would you take the position that they would rather talk to a tree about their feelings than you if you think most of them would prefer to talk to women over over men that makes no sense it's absur because first it was
02:40:41
Andrew Wilsontrees and men and now it's women and men so what are we talking about yeah but if your position is do you think that a man would rather talk to a tree about their feelings than talk to a
02:40:52
Andrew Wilsonwoman that's what your actual position is then why then would you say that you think that men would prefer to talk to women about their feelings I feel like anyone would rather talk to a tree than another human being it's easier to open
02:41:04
Lilianup honestly you think so okay so I see so you think that all people would rather talk to a tree about their feelings people but like coming from I don't know everyone here I don't know would you guys rather open up to someone or like talk to a tree cuz a tree is not
02:41:15
Andrew Wilsongoing to judge you so then let me so then so then we can just clear this
02:41:25
Andrew Wilsontotally C this up in one second going around with just a quick question do you think then going around the table one more time that men would rather open up
02:41:34
Andrew Wilsonabout their feelings to women or to other men show can you take her phone sorry yeah sorry would you would do you think men would prefer to open up to
02:41:45
Lauren Rosesother men about their feelings or to women about their feelings honestly wom going around the table I'm still saying women I'm GNA say women I say women and I have some interesting statistics on
02:41:55
Josiethat okay I I hold on keep going keep going um men probably I don't know probably
02:42:08
Abigailwomen if they're married women but men usually friends probably men because they can relate to what they're saying women usually aren't able to Andrew I do
02:42:18
Brian Atlaswant to move this on pretty soon here but do you do you want to finish up no I'm just going to let that stand yeah okay now last thing on the bare thing I
02:42:29
Brian Atlasdo actually want to ask the question so what percentage of men those of you who answered bear what percentage of men do you think in the circumstances
02:42:39
Brian Atlasprovided would choose to victimize you starting with you go ahead what percentage of men right cuz so if it were in the United
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PalomaStates uh it's a random man that's half the population I don't know how Much Is That 160 million men you're asking what percentage of them would choose to
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Brian Atlasvictimize so you so you picked the bear over the man so you must have done some sort of calculus where you feel that the risk that's okay you feel the risk is
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Brian Atlasgreater with a Man compared to a bear so you must have some sort of determination when it comes to uh risk assessment so if you had to assign a percentage which
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Palomamen would choose to attack you I guess which type of men no no no no what percentage of would attack you and I mean like I feel like that's kind of hard to answer
02:43:33
Brian AtlasI'm just going to piggyback off of what she said which is that bears are predictable you know that they're M but I'm asking you a question so this I'm getting to answer okay go ahead Bear's
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Palomamain like a bear we know their main goal is to kill us right whatever they want to attack our face how you guys are saying whatever talked about that yep men we don't know they have like a plethora of things they could do sure
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Palomamanipulation could be a part of it they could be like Oh I'm going to take you home don't even worry and then boom they kill you it could be a and so that's why I feel like it's a higher percentage mhm with men versus Bears cuz we know what
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Palomato do in the situation with a bear most people have been I don't know if most people have but I've been taught what to do in the situation with a bear with men I'm am I not speaking into it you're like you're like over here is it like
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Brian Atlasonly in the center you just like think of like think of actually so confused okay think of the center of your mouth the center of your mouth needs to be center with the microphone okay so the
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Palomasides don't count I can't talk into the sides center of the microphone Center um yeah there's a plethora of things men can do so can you answer the question
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Palomathough what perc I yeah I just guess aate I I acknowledge yes a man could do all sorts of things they I'm going to say a higher percentage I don't [ __ ] know the percentage but I'm going to say it's higher well like 50 how about do
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Brian Atlasyou think it's a majority of men so more than 51% yes okay do you want to actually give us a a range you think it's 60 you think it's 70 you think it's 80 I don't
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Palomaknow I don't know I just think it's it's a a lot of men okay so do you want to actually just throw a percentage out there no well you you already said it's over 50 so just throw a percentage out I just don't know
02:45:21
Brian Atlasthe percentage I just know it's like higher than half more than half yeah per say we could like 51% sure 51% okay you said bear correct yes what percentage of men do you think would attack you in
02:45:33
Lilianthese circumstances based on my life based on my track record 10% honestly I agree again from my personal record I feel like I feel like
02:45:43
Brian Atlas51% from my personal statistics not from anyone else's your personal statistics like from what's happened to me in my life not anyone else's like okay um so
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Brian Atlasyou have uh like do you have any siblings male siblings uh my brother mhm father uncles oh yeah
02:46:05
Brian Atlasknow I have a stepdad and a dad uncles's Okay and like all the men so you're basically the men that you know in your life 51% of them would victimize a woman in these circumstances I wouldn't say
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Lilianthe men in my life but men so you're just a better judge of character than the general population or oh no no not at all like again from my like and I'm not speaking for everyone else everyone has their own stuff like I don't hate men like I'm just saying from my personal life I love my step so in
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Lilianyour personal life what's the percentage I'd say 51% and I'm not saying like no of the men that you know in your personal life that are right now that you know yeah right now none of them cuz I don't like I I don't need those people in my life if they're going to like
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Lilianvictimize me and like do this bad [ __ ] to me like there's no reason to have them in my life so every man that's in my life right now is they're cool and I don't have nothing but respect for
02:46:53
Brian Atlasthem including my father who else said bear did anybody over here say bear no okay so just to be clear you guys think that 80 million men in the United States
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Brian Atlaswould choose to attack a woman in these circumstances just so I have that understanding correct I think it's hard to put a number on this how is it
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Lilianhard I just think it really just like kind of depends I if you put like a bunch of men in like say like a Purge Night where everything is legal do you think that 51% of men
02:47:25
Lilianwould like be like go like nuts or not that's just I'm not entirely familiar with that movie I think I have a basically kill and do all the crimes
02:47:35
Andrew Wilsonareal basically CRI yeah even in that movie it wasn't that high like murder and stuff like that so if you put yeah even in the movie it wasn't that high even in the movie not at that many
02:47:46
Andrew Wilsonpeople participated in the purge that that's an ins number that's a fantasy she was actually using that as an example 51% of men would do that why wouldn't they just enslave all women then I don't know I mean that's like
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Lilianthat's like going back to the movie The Mid or what's it called the Midwife or whatever but like that's that's not why are we talking about movies movies are not it was hypothe I saying no I'm saying hypothetically if you got a real
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Lilianlife purge like if everyone in this room if we Sorry if we started a purge I think that 51% of men would like I don't know what percentage of women
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LilianI'd say I don't know maybe 1% 1% of 99% of women are good 5 minimum 51% of would they go after men no I'd say like I mean it's obviously going to be a large amount because like both genders obviously like have issues but
02:48:32
Andrew Wilsonstatistically more crimes are committed like by men like according what percentage of women in The Purge situation yeah tiny it's I mean that's true but it's such a tiny do do you realize that the amount of violent crime
02:48:44
Lilianperpetrated by men as a whole per cap it's still very very small most men are not out committing violent crime almost no man in fact well almost no man but if you think that the
02:48:55
Andrew Wilsonrepercussions were taken away you're talking about a small percentage of society which ever commits violent crimes teeny tiny percentage I mean you're saying most of them is a small percentage are not men
02:49:07
Andrew Wilsonwho are committing these crimes okay would they not do it because of morals or than women it's still a small percentage of men overall who commit crimes no but are we speaking like say again there's repercussions say the repercussions are taken away do you
02:49:21
Lilianthink that that would make more men act out are they not acting out like that because it's against their morals or because it's repc more women would act out as well if you took the I'm not saying I'm not saying that's wrong I just think stat statistically according
02:49:32
Lilianto all of that like I I don't want to mention certain topics on here but more and I'm not saying it doesn't happen with women but statistically more men do crimes like that and I'm not saying like cuz I hate men or anything like it's
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Andrew Wilsonliterally just a but I mean there's no disagreement that more men commit violent crimes than women nobody's disagreeing that that's true oh no I know it's the scale in which you believe
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Lilianit's true that we're questioning say Beyond probable cause that's 51% women could be like 49% was that like in the grand scheme of things
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TTSmen commit a small amount grid one motorport donated $200 stupid women a man in the forest is trying to get away from women and have
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TTSno interest in hurting you [ __ ] professional victims on this show get some [ __ ] help thanks for the 200 that's real sad I'm going to let a