Andrew Wilson! DRAMA! Bratty Gamer Girl?! E-GIRLS! Born Again VlRGlN?! | Dating Talk #150

Date: 2024-04-08

Duration: 6h 25m

Guests

Brian Atlas

PPeyton (DT150)>

VVesper (DT150)>

CCrystal (DT150)>

AAlicia (DT150)>

NNatalia (DT150)>

BBritney Delamora >

SSunny (DT150)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Background Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS/Background Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_02Britney Delamora(guest)

SPEAKER_03Sunny(guest)

SPEAKER_04Vesper(guest)

SPEAKER_05Natalia(guest)

SPEAKER_06Peyton(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Crystal(guest)

SPEAKER_14Alicia(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces the panel; guests include stripper Vesper (24, Dallas), medical student Peyton (19, Rancho Cucamonga), Crystal (29, LA stripper), Alicia/Megan (34, Air Force vet / boxer / born-again Christian), Natalia (almost 19, Seattle), Britney Delamora (37, ministry founder / former porn actress), Sunny (34, Canadian, Naked and Afraid, 12 weeks pregnant), and returning guest Andrew Wilson (host of The Crucible).

“"without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name"”

QuoteBritney Delamora reveals she was in the adult film industry for 7 years and has been out for 12 years; she now runs a ministry helping porn-addicted people and ex-industry workers.

“"I was in the adult film industry for seven years of my life... I've been out for 12 years"”

QuoteSunny announces she appeared on Naked and Afraid (Discovery Channel), filmed in the Colombian jungle for 21 days, as one of only 6 Canadians to complete the challenge. Episode aired March 17, 2024.

“"I am a survivalist for Discovery Channel known as Naked and Afraid so only six Canadians have ever completed that challenge"”

QuoteAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible, described as fastest-growing debate channel on the internet; returns to Whatever Podcast.

“"my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible fastest growing debate channel"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges the concept of born-again virginity as "nonsensical false doctrine," arguing that virginity is physically gone and cannot be spiritually restored. Extended debate with Alicia and Britney Delamora over purity vs. virginity, and whether Christianity is a religion or a relationship.

“"born again virgin... that doesn't make sense to me... your virginity was not put back into your body"”

ControversyBritney Delamora clarifies the born-again virgin concept: purity (a heart condition) is restorable by God; physical virginity is not. Calls it "a second chance at doing things right."

“"virginity is not yeah what... God can give you back virginity is not"”

QuoteBritney Delamora reveals she was baptized by her pimp (who claimed to be Christian) while still in the porn industry, and then felt the Holy Spirit tell her to leave her pimp and call her mother.

“"your pimp took you to church to baptize out the demons is that right"”

OtherSunny announces she is 12 weeks pregnant with her second child; married in fall 2023; gender reveal planned at week 20.

“"I'm currently pregnant with another one currently pregnant super excited... 12 weeks"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson opens debate on female pastors, citing Paul's epistles; challenges Britney Delamora on whether women should have pastoral authority over men. Brian cuts off the extended theological argument to move on.

“"where is the idea that women can be ordained as female pastors come from"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges Alicia on keeping provocative photos on Instagram while claiming born-again Christianity. Asks repeatedly what stops her from deleting them. Alicia says she was re-baptized only 3 weeks prior and it is a process. Andrew references Satan wanting the photos up. Alicia calls Andrew a Pharisee.

“"what is actually stopping you if you believe that it's wrong... from right this second deleting them"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues parents should disown adult children for doing OnlyFans or porn. Britney strongly disagrees: many women in sex work got there due to family dysfunction; removal of love is counterproductive. Panel mostly disagrees with Andrew.

“"parents should disown their adult children for doing only fans or porn which you disagree with"”

OtherDating profile review segment: Natalia's Bumble profile (musical reference flagged by panel; Hennessy comment flagged by chat). Peyton's profile (no kids, atheist, liberal, weed). Chat votes mostly no-swipe on Natalia. Discussion of who is on birth control.

“"we're going to do the dating profile review segment"”

OtherSelf-ratings round: Brian reads viewer request. Alicia: 9-10 (Jesus's eyes). Peyton: 6. Crystal: 7. Britney: 7 (was 10 at 27). Sunny: 5 to 5.5. Andrew Wilson: 20-25-30 (joking). Andrew criticizes Britney's self-rating as delusional; praises Sunny's honesty.

“"Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10 starting with you"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson criticizes Britney Delamora's self-rating of 7-8 as delusional, calling it an example of cognitive dissonance he observes all night. Britney responds that she is a 10 to her husband and she is not on the market. Sunny diplomatically avoids directly calling others delusional.

“"there's no fucking universe in which you are an eight"”

QuoteBrian shares he was cheated out of Perdition's Blade in Molten Core (WoW classic) by Loot Council; nearly quit the guild on the spot.

“"I was in a guild I got screwed over on perdition's blade... this other Rogue already had two purple daggers"”

OtherBody count round: Alicia = 0, Peyton = 10, Vesper = 20, Crystal = around 12, Natalia = declined, Britney = ~200+ scenes. Andrew Wilson presses unnamed guests on accuracy of "a lot." Britney clarifies she had a yes-list of ~8 regular men for most of career.

“"what's your body count starting with you"”

ControversyBowing discussion: Brian asks if women would bow to their man. Most female guests decline. Andrew and Brian argue hypocrisy: women refuse a bow but accept degrading sexual acts. Britney would bow lovingly to husband (not in worship). Sunny references Filipino mano po cultural bow.

“"would you bow if you were dating a guy and he's like I'd really appreciate a bow"”

OtherEnd of show: Brian raids WowGrandma78 (82yo WoW retail streamer) on Twitch; secondary Twitch raid to FrostAdamus. Andrew Wilson redirects YouTube viewers to The Crucible channel.

“"we are going to do a twitch raid... WowGrandma78 she's 82 she plays World of Warcraft"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Notable: Britney Delamora reveals ministry background and former porn career. Sunny announces 12-week pregnancy on show. Andrew Wilson returns as guest debater. Alicia reveals Air Force background, celebrity boxing (Blac Chyna fight), and born-again Christianity.

Relationship status round

Brian goes around table for relationship status and relationship history. Vesper: engaged, fiance 17 years older (age 41). Alicia: celibate since March 2022, dating Jesus. Britney: married 8 years / together 10. Sunny: married fall 2023; 12 weeks pregnant. Extended debate on born-again virginity between Andrew Wilson, Alicia, and Britney. Andrew calls the concept "nonsensical false doctrine." Britney clarifies purity vs virginity.

Born-again virginity debate

Andrew Wilson challenges Alicia and Britney on the concept of born-again virginity. Andrew: virginity is physically gone and cannot be spiritually restored. Alicia: it is spiritual purity, not physical; God restores what was taken. Britney: clarifies purity (a heart condition) is restorable; virginity (physical) is not. Debate extends into whether Christianity is a religion or a relationship, denominational accountability, and how to adjudicate competing Holy Spirit claims.

Female pastors debate

Andrew Wilson asks where the idea of female pastors comes from; cites Pauline epistles. Britney: was ordained but does not call herself pastor; leads connect groups for women. Believes women can pastor over women under male authority. Andrew: women should not have ecclesiastical authority over men per scripture. Debate includes women evangelists (woman at the well, Mary Magdalene) vs. pastoral role. Britney references illiteracy in early church context for Pauline "women be silent" passages.

Hawaii first class / economy scenario

Brian poses scenario: boyfriend pays for Hawaii trip but takes first class while putting girlfriend in economy. Most guests find it problematic unless he has a legitimate reason (back pain, affordability). All say they would be fine if both were in economy together. Andrew Wilson: if he can pay for the whole trip, sitting apart in first class is reasonable. Vesper: bothered; would be "stressed out" reading it as a sign he might abandon her. Natalia: wants to meet in the middle (comfort class). Sunny: totally fine if legitimate reason (back pain); grateful for the trip overall.

Christianity debate: religion vs. relationship / Instagram photos

Andrew Wilson challenges Alicia on having provocative photos on Instagram while claiming Christian faith. Andrew: asks what is stopping her from deleting photos she admits are inappropriate. Alicia: recently re-baptized (3 weeks ago); it is a process; God convicts over time. Britney: agrees it is a process; she transitioned out over years. Andrew accuses Alicia of having no good excuse for delay. Andrew references the Paradox of Declining Female Happiness — women everywhere are miserable due to exported Western feminist ideology. Alicia calls Andrew a Pharisee.

Would you date a feminist / feminist definition

Brian asks who would date a man who does not identify as a feminist. Most say yes they would date a non-feminist man. Alicia: man should be masculine; society has pushed women into masculine roles due to emotional damage. Britney: if husband were a feminist they would not be married. Brief debate on what feminism means. Natalia: would be bothered by a man who is grossed out by feminism in front of her friends. Crystal: does not think identifying as feminist is necessary. Vesper: matching values matters; does not need a feminist partner.

Vesper Instagram / Twitter / OnlyFans review

Brian reads Vesper's social media bio: luxury house pet, bratty gamer girl, University Art ho, court jester. Discusses tweets: men deserve someone addicted to sex with them; obsessed with fat men (not a feeder); orange peel theory; "charge your man cash every time he disrespects you." Andrew asks about video game skill; Vesper says she is moderate, plays story/building games. Discussed BFA in Studio Arts (painting, ceramics).

Disowning children for sex work

Andrew Wilson says parents should disown adult children doing OnlyFans or porn. Panel debates. Peyton: understands disowning if it harms family reputation (medical field parents). Alicia: disagrees; her mother kept contact during addiction and kept her alive. Britney: strongly disagrees; women in sex work need family love most. Sunny: supports tough love but not disowning; parents should be honest. Vesper: nuanced; not all families are close; not automatic shame. Andrew: argues it is a legitimate response to protect family honor.

Dating profile review segment

Brian and panel review dating app profiles (Bumble) for Natalia and Peyton. Natalia profile: likes acting like a musical (panel warns to remove this); can finish a bottle of Hennessy (chat reacts negatively). Chat votes mostly swipe no on Natalia. Peyton profile: 5'6", no workouts, Pisces, does not want children, atheist, liberal, smokes weed socially. Discussion of whether Peyton has accidental celibacy. Brian asks who is on birth control (IUD, implant, hormonal). Sunny: pregnant (perfect birth control). Natalia: not on anything.

Peyton standards and requirements discussion

Brian probes Peyton on why she is single with high standards. Peyton: needs to be star-struck; is very picky. Standards: 6+ feet, goes to gym, muscular not bodybuilder, celebrity crush type Vinnie Hacker. Has been involuntarily celibate for over a year despite going out weekly (Santa Barbara). Andrew Wilson: women dating up are often passed over by men they want. Discussion of Peyton's picky nature vs. her Bumble inactivity.

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Brian reads viewer request to rate looks 1-10. Peyton: maybe 6. Alicia: 9 (then says 10 in Jesus's eyes). Crystal: 7. Britney: 7 (at 37 after 2 kids; was 10 at 27). Sunny: 5 to 5.5 (honest; scoliosis affects posture). Andrew Wilson: 20-25-30 (joking delusional answer); Andrew gives Sunny a solid 6. Andrew criticizes Britney's 7-8 as delusional by objective standards. Extended debate on objective vs. subjective beauty standards.

Women's happiness and feminism / Western ideology

Andrew Wilson presents Paradox of Declining Female Happiness research (Rachel Wilson Substack). Claims women are universally less happy than men across cultures and countries. Attributes this to feminist and Western ideology export causing women to forget "their place." Britney: has had 12 consecutive years of joy since becoming a Christian; attributes unhappy Christian women to insufficient daily practice (prayer, Bible). Alicia: happiness comes from Jesus regardless of external circumstances. Panel mostly agrees feminism has negative effects on female happiness.

WoW streamers dating discussion

Brian shows profiles of WoW streamers xQc, Asmongold, and Pokelawls. Asks if guests would date them. Most say no despite xQc's $100M deal. Peyton: would not date xQc (reminds her of Pete Davidson). Crystal: loot council (all about the money). Vesper: says she would be a feeder for them (joking). Brian laments that these millionaire gamers can't attract the panel.

Body count round

Brian asks body counts. Alicia/Megan: 0 (zero; celibate; did not do scenes with men on OnlyFans; not completely nude). Peyton: "two hands" (10). Vesper (implied via "Asia" reference): 20. Crystal: around 12. Natalia: no comment (declined, was called out by Andrew Wilson and Brian). Britney Delamora: approximately 200+ scenes; yes-list of ~8 regular male partners for most of career. Sunny: 2 hands (ambiguous; either ~10 or two partners). Andrew Wilson asks if "a lot" would be accurate for certain unnamed guests; pushes for honesty.

Bowing debate

Brian and Andrew ask if women would bow to their partner. Brian: just wants a bow; compares it to engagement ring tradition. Andrew: raises the point that women refuse simple acts of deference but accept degrading sexual acts. Britney: would bow in loving context to husband; not in worship context. Alicia: would bow if submissive but only to husband. Vesper: maybe if he bows back; would not if only she had to. Peyton: refuses; Natalia: stresses out trying to analyze gesture. Andrew: suggests curtsy as alternative. Sunny: references Filipino mano po (placing elder hand to forehead) as cultural bow equivalent. Brian references Exodus 20:5 (do not bow to idols) in the debate.

WoW streamer raid and closing

Brian raids WowGrandma78 (82-year-old WoW retail streamer) on Twitch; tells chat to be nice and tell her to come on the show. Secondary raid to FrostAdamus (also WoW player). Andrew Wilson redirects YouTube viewers to The Crucible channel. Brian discusses WoW guild loot systems with panel (Loot Council, DKP, Soft Reserve, etc.); shares personal story of being cheated on Perdition's Blade in Molten Core by Loot Council. Final bowing discussion: Andrew asks if women would bow to their man. Most decline (except Britney saying she would bow in love to husband). Brian compares refusing a bow to allowing more degrading sexual acts.

Transcript

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Crystalyour now boyfriend no what was the how long uh was the break like when we got together like when we went we went on the first date I guess like a week or something so wait from okay so you had

Crystalsex and then a week with a different guy and then a week later first day with yeah I met him and then I stopped every like I dropped whatever okay all

Brian Atlasright huh yeah I don't know if you can turn a 30o into a housewife I don't know I mean I don't know I would object to that I mean

Brian Atlaslike that's that situation you described would probably be a a deal breaker for me a lot of men I mean he says it doesn't bother him but sure that's fine

Crystallike I said like I think you guys be closer M he was like interested in like only fans and porn and all that so well I mean you met him also sort of at the strip club correct so he's like really

Brian Atlasinto that stuff yeah so he's probably okay with it yeah so he didn't see an issue with it you know all right let me get try to get through some of my uh all my notes here from for all of you guys and we'll try to once I do that we'll wrap up

Brian Atlasuh let's see H okay Payton oh gosh 19 single clinginess status in a relationship you wanted to you wanted to

Peytontalk about clinginess status as well as how to keep the spark alive during a relationship oh yeah I guess that was on my mind earlier um clinging a status I've been thinking about recently I think I like being the clingy

Peytonone in the relationship I think that's better for both of us I think I like I like being the one I can I agree with that I agree with that so like are you psycho with it

Brian Atlasthough no like you'll stab somebody no no no have you slashed a car tire never burned clothes no ruined a person's life

Brian Atlasalso no maybe okay no all right um and then you said how to keep the spark alive during a relationship what do you mean yeah um I think that could be an interesting topic like I

Peytonknow for me at least like in the past like after on the 3month mark the spark in a relationship definitely just tends to die down one of my friends was talking to me about that recently about how her and her boyfriend have been in a

Peytonrelationship for years since they were in high school and she's basically just like telling me how like the spark dies down and it gets boring so honestly

Peytonyikes yikes yeah but I think that's like a very like Rip's in the chat to the boyfriend I feel like it's a very interesting topic I feel like just just

Brian Atlaswhy the spark goes away like after you get comfortable some comfortable with that's been your experience with with guys the spark the spark Fades away how soon three month Mark three three month

PeytonMark and what so once the spark Fades what typically happens there do you end it um not I'm not thinking about like any specific scenario but it just tends to

Peytonlike get not as exciting you're not like oh my gosh I'm so excited to hang out with this person every day you don't like yeah do you think do you do you think having a spark is

Brian Atlasimportant yes okay does the panel agree is having a spark

Sunnyimportant I think it's there's a little bit of an interesting thing that happens where we see a lot of people break up definitely at that 2year Mark and apparently what happens is is your body

Sunnystops releasing in the pheromones when you touch so that's where they're like man like we couldn't keep our hands off of each other and now you're just left with their personality so yeah there's

Sunnythat physical attraction is good but that's your body wanting you to procreate and make kids and then after about two years your body's like all right well you're you're stuck with this person you're probably married by now so

Sunnyit's all on choice at this point so you have to make sure you make conscious choices on choosing to show up and date that person every day making sure you pick your five Awesomes it's kind of what we call in our relationship where

Sunnylike if let's say I do something that bothers Jordan um our rule is that you have to think of three positive things they did to outweigh the negative otherwise all you're going to do is start seeing all of the negatives and

Sunnyall the XS so for maybe your friend if she's like it just sucks and it's boring each thing he does that's boring tell her like hey but three things he did that is that Quirk that you love like you not wanting to go in the ocean

Sunnywithout holding someone's hand and then it kind of recalibrates that brain to start seeing those positive things that she saw when she started dating him you're right that that's really like

Brian AtlasH uh actually moving in on to you now some of the pre-show notes uh you had a good take on women repeatedly dating red

Sunnyflags do you want to oh uh yeah um right sorry so I think um a big reason why a lot of women tend to find

Sunnythemselves in these negative repetitive relationships is it is actually safe to them um you know it's something that I personally can attest to and even I've had friends where I'm like why do you keep daing these and it's because if you

Sunnyalways know that it's going to be coming from this side you know how to block you're not prepared to get stabbed in the left rib and so when you date such a great guy that is safe and he's loyal and he's you know this amazing provider

Sunnyyou get this angst about it or you're like you're just always waiting for that strike to come and you don't know how to prepare yourself and so you'll see that these women will constantly pick those regular red flags and it's because

Sunnythat's what they know and it's what's safe to them yeah and it's it's that it's not Sparks that's your fight or flight that is um so I think it's can I ask um can I

Andrew Wilsonask you a question I'm just I'm just curious about this and this is uh maybe diverting a little bit but why do so many women women say woman

Andrew Wilsoninstead of women I don't I don't I don't actually understand I've heard it so much now I don't understand is there some kind of block that happens where you can't say women woman like I'm

Andrew Wilsonsaying w m n right it's her Canadian accent I think no no no you said woman like like six times I didn't it's like it's super I just wonder like what the deal is with

Sunnythat cuz I hear it so much I'm like what what the hell is going on that um just pronunciation but no I'm meaning it as a multiple uh yeah plural right yeah so yeah but that's that's women

Andrew Wilsonyeah but that's what Meen is how I'm meaning to say it all right I'm just curious because it happens so often I'm just like maybe there's something I missed in the culture that I don't I I

Sunnycould go with ladies if that helps all these ladies or gals um but it's just something that you know I feel like not enough ladies maybe have those conversations where you know somebody

Sunnysits down and says why do you think you keep doing this and it's why do you think you keep putting yourself in this pattern because like you are the common denominator and they're like well I don't know and it's like is it because you realize that that toxicity is what you know and that's what's safe to you

Aliciaand maybe you need to just put yourself in that unknown because that safe guy is actually not going to hurt you I think it's father wounds too like for me I was abused right after the military and it

Aliciawas one of those things like you know my dad growing up he was very like hard to you know please he was very like all the things that my dad was is like what I

Aliciawent for and you know my mom stayed and it was like all this where it was like walking on eggshells every day you didn't know what you know was going to happen and that's what was normal and I stayed in these now looking back I'm

Alicialike oh my gosh if you're miserable why don't you leave it's because that's what was really instilled so until you have a time in your life where you heal and you're like wait I need to back up and see what this really is

Britney Delamoramine was later on in life so ladies jump on it but it is definitely possible to stop liking that red flag yeah I think that you often will bond with your trauma if it's unhealed and I also think

Britney Delamorathat you subconsciously attract who you think you deserve so if you don't recognize your value and worth you will settle for somebody who's comparable to what you think you deserve in

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Brian Atlasonce we hit one mil uh Asia we have some notes from you here you've said you've been in and out of relationships lot mhm and haven't really been on any crazy

Brian Atlasdates uh one guy did try uh H that one's not that interesting actually uh oh here okay sorry I I was reading the wrong one you you found out

Brian Atlasthat you love finding men who need to be fixed but that's never happening again no more projects

Nataliayeah what happened there well I think I I think I want to be needed by someone or wanted to be needed by someone so I

Nataliawould find people who need my support and love okay so I don't want to do that anymore though I want to like be in a partnership with someone instead of like partnership okay you know taking care of

Brian Atlasthem taking care of them yeah okay you also said I also think getting involved in your friends relationships like if you don't like their partner is pointless because they

Brian Atlasare the ones who need to figure it out in most cases disregarding any seriously abusive ones and also think giving a girl okay that's something else but uh so you're against getting like involved

Nataliain the details of friends relationship yeah I just don't think it's helpful to anyone in this situation be like you have to leave like obviously disregarding like seriously abive ones

Nataliabut like if your friend is madly in love with a guy that you don't like you just can't do anything about it and like I've been on the opposite side of it and it's true like you she might your friends

Brian Atlasdon't give a [ __ ] what do you mean like I feel like I don't know girls will like with their female friends will be like this guy's terrible blah blah blah

Brian Atlasand like most most of the time that never sways the girl to like sometimes it does sometimes most times it doesn't do anything and then that's just toxic yeah it's also always in your best

Nataliainterest like when your friends are doing that but like you have to make the decision at the end of the day to get out of it and I think it also creates some issues between the friendship and the relationship cuz you want to be

Aliciasupportive of your friend like no matter what happens you know so and you can't have a good friendship with a nurc when you have a nurc cuz they need constant attention yeah absolutely also though I

Brian Atlasdo want to point out yes one thing I think women tend to do a bit more than men is you'll only go to your friends like you're not going to tell your friends oh

Brian Atlasthings are great but when there's an issue that's when you're going to go to your friends so all your friends here is all the negative things and women will also do this with family members too oh we're going through some trouble blah

Brian Atlasblah blah and you'll only talk about the negative things and also in addition to that uh Andrew actually articulated this perfectly the last time he was on I think is you'll

Brian Atlasdownplay the ways that you were perhaps culpable to some sort of uh issue or argument in the relationship and you will emphasize the ways in which you

Brian Atlasthink that your partner is at fault for some argument or situation right uh and so you'll always paint it like you're your partner's in the wrong you're in the right you downplay what you did

Brian Atlaswrong you up up playay I don't know if that's a word but up playay uh exaggerate the ways they did wrong and uh then it makes for uh all your friend your friend group and family to hate

Nataliayour partner that's so funny cuz I feel like whenever I get out of like a toxic relationship I feel like that's when all of like the bad stuff starts flowing out to my friends like during it I want to be like everything's fine and

Andrew Wilsoneverything's great you know like don't like think anything's wrong you know but the second I'm out of it I'm like wait till you hear what he did you know and like that's yeah but that's but that's the whole point that Brian is making is

Andrew Wilsonthat it's always when the relationship is over well not always it's it's common enough that we see it that uh you know the guy is an evil villain you know what I mean he's horrible he's an evil

Andrew Wilsonvillain this and that and now you have the advantage of so many women who are on Instagram and you know places like this who have these kind of a massed audience is much harder for men to do because they don't just take their shirt

Andrew Wilsonoff and and people come a flocking right so uh suddenly there's all sorts of reputational damage which can happen to them uh and and their side of the story is never even told and it's like

Andrew Wilsonconsidering the amount of mental illness that I've seen on this show I really just don't think that women are angels okay I just don't think so yeah and I don't think men are angels either you

Andrew Wilsonknow like I I don't think you can like put like a gender and just say they're great you know no I I think I think we can because uh what is the SSRI usage of

Andrew Wilsonwomen do you know in comparison to men anti psychotic antis psychotic depression drugs mental illness which rate would you say it's higher in which

Nataliasex which which one do you think I'm going to go with women in this case yeah why do you think that is I I'm not sure we were on a really good topic though we should go back this is a great topic

Andrew Wilsonwe're talking about a great topic I'm saying that women women and their culpability at least in modernity seems to be very low in fact basically every tale that I've even heard tonight

Andrew Wilsonwhen we get into the relationship status is it's all his fault right it's all their fault it's all the other guy's fault it's not me I didn't do nothing it's also like in these situations when

Natalialike I am going to go to my friends and I'm oh sorry um what was I G to say okay so my family and my friends care about me they don't

Nataliareally care about my partner you know and now my ex partner especially you know so I don't feel like I have to what is it like stand up for him yeah it's way better for you to put yourself

Andrew Wilsonin the position where you didn't do anything wrong so that socially the people around you feel like you were victimized right no no it's more like

Nataliait's more like I get to like if you're in a crazy relationship and you're constantly defending this person to your friends and family in the second you're out of it now you're like oh I can like talk freely and finally like speak my mind and I guess yeah that might make

Andrew Wilsonyou seem like a victim if you are a victim in it you know well it gives a lot of post ha talk justification right oh there was no problem there was no problem there was no problem and now suddenly when the relationship is done

Andrew Wilsonoh there were so many problems you don't even know he was a [ __ ] monster right it's like yeah it gets old after a while because honestly I don't believe half of the tales I that I hear about these men

Andrew WilsonI just don't believe them and the reason I don't is because because of that exact thing why in the relationship are you consistently just saying uh this is perfect he's Mr Right everything is

Andrew Wilsongreat then suddenly the relationship ends and he was a toxic abusive [ __ ] the second that happens doesn't that seem like it's a little bit contradictory to itself I think in the beginning a lot of times guys will show their good side and of course the women

Aliciaare like oh my gosh he's so great he's so amazing and then on the sudden the truth comes out but you've already told all these people that you love like he's the one I'm going to marry him like this is it and you don't want to be the

Aliciavictim you want this relationship to work so bad you know you can't tell the truth and then when you're out of it you have the freedom can't why can't you tell the truth it's difficult sometimes it's cuz you're already trauma bonded to

Andrew Wilsonthis person yeah your trauma bonding [ __ ] is [ __ ] there's no such thing as trauma bonding it's madeup nonsense sociological nonsense what the hell Christian you know when you have sex

Aliciawith somebody that you actually are spiritually it's two becomes one and so when you're having sex outside having sex with somebody like at the end of the day when I got abused I I was

Aliciaaccountable I accepted something that was not okay like that was my fault and he had a record of hitting women before but I do take accountability for that was I wasn't healed I didn't do the work

AliciaI listened to the devil I was fearful I was comfortable with that all these different things but it's still my fault I'm not saying it's all his fault he hit me I had the red flags I chose to listen

Aliciato the lies of the enemy and not listen to my gut and God telling me to leave so I think that you're misconstruing um a lot of this but uh

Aliciamisconstruing is not a word I know but it sounds good right it does sound

Aliciatired it a d but um all right moving on um I'm trying hold on wait so

Brian Atlasokay why is it though it seems like women almost seem drawn not all women generally but there seems to be some draw to these men who are toxic why cuz

Britney Delamorawe're nurturers I think too you subconsciously attract who you think you deserve if you don't if you've maybe you were abused or belittled as a child and then you didn't heal and so then you

Britney Delamoragrow up and you try to basically you know you get into these relationships with people that almost mirror the abuse that you've been through I mean a lot of times we see oh really is

Andrew Wilsonthat what happens okay well show of hands how many women here have dated a narcissist have I've also been a narcissist so attracting who I was

Andrew Wilsonright most of the panel have dated narciss are you sure that that's all that have dated narcissists you haven't dated a narcissist not even once nobody else here just those four women I think

Sunnybecause it's on a scale there's people with narcissistic Tendencies but it doesn't make them a narcissist like being a narciss narcissism is super rare people don't even know that if you look if you look at the sociology based

Andrew Wilsonaround narcissism it's actually really rare that somebody's actually a narcissist thing is if you don't have God in your life every woman seems to have been with this teeny tiny

Aliciaportion of the population who a narcissist I kind of wonder how is this possible all of us have traits of narcissism when we don't have God in our life we are very self all of us do not

Andrew Wilsonhave traits of narcissism that's just made up nonsense you just made it up on the spot no they don't that's that's nonsense this this type the reason that

Andrew Wilsonthis happens the reason that so many women uh fancy themselves to be sociologists and think that they're diving into sociology and that they can make these predictors for what works or

Andrew Wilsondoesn't work in relationships is because they're [ __ ] being narcissists if you look at the scale of narcissism from female to male much higher in females than it is in men and it's still rare

Andrew Wilsonstill rare and yet most of the men that we talk to come through these panels or that I talk to absum have not dated narcissists they dated crazy women but somehow all these women are dating all

Andrew Wilsonthese narcissists and I'm just want the numbers don't seem to add up to me so I just wonder about female culpability here a little bit if these guys are actually narcissists or if maybe you're putting us on what's like what's an

Andrew Wilsonexample of like narcissistic behavior cuz like maybe Men Express it more than women do narcissism depends it's not well defined if you're talking about a

Andrew Wilsongrandio not narcissist that could be that could be different but again it's very rare very rare um a n a narcissist is going to be somebody who is is completely self-absorbed they're going to be almost Psychopathic you're not

Andrew Wilsoneven going to be able to tell that they're narcissists necessarily so people often confuse uh confidence with narcissism which is insanity they often confuse people who are correct uh with

Andrew Wilsonbeing narcissist because it makes them feel bad right but there's not that many narcissists who are around so I don't understand how all these women are

Andrew Wilsondating all these narcissist beautiful stunning stunning well like the guy you raised your hand when I asked if you dated a

Natalianarcissist what made him a narcissist I don't know I guess I'm not like that well versed on the word I he was just

Nataliaum yeah like very self-centered and um would do things that were rude and weird and then somehow find a way to blame it on me he was rude and weird and that

Andrew Wilsonmade him a narcissist like see what I mean this is what I mean by um by why it is that I have trouble believing this kind of um this kind of

Andrew Wilsonnonsense about all the narcissists who are around because I think when a lot of you women say that you've dated a narcissist what you really mean is I dated a guy who didn't kiss my [ __ ]

Nataliaass that's what I think you actually mean you're totally you're totally allowed to think like that [Laughter]

Britney Delamorayeah yeah I mean I did dated a guy that was a pimp so he was definitely a self absorbed man who his um like he was really out to get what he could get for

Britney Delamorahimself you know he manipulated yeah but him being a pimp doesn't make him a narcissist well he was manipulative he was I mean he was Bill doesn't make him a narcissist like what did a

Andrew Wilsonpsychologist did a psychologist sit what is your defn him with narcissism or is that something that you just made up that you're just saying narcissist cuz I think he is so a

Alicianarcissist like he a compulsive liar like I dated a guy he was Muslim he was married he lied all the time I mean anything he could lie about he lied about his age anything like the sky

Andrew Wilsonoutside he would just completely lie he was always the victim he always talked bad about other people yeah I mean I get it I understand what you're saying but you know back a lot out there maybe your

Andrew Wilsonpimp what actually made your pimp a narcissist other than you think he was okay so what is your what's the definition of narciss don't ask me a question before you but we have to base

Britney Delamorait off of your definition I would love to hear your definition is because I sh shared with hang on why can you interrupt me yet I can't interrupt you and you're

Andrew Wilsoninterrup so let's let's stop like all I said was don't ask me a question before you answer my question so the question is makes him a narcissist other than you

Britney Delamorathink he is so I gave you an answer was he diagnosed as one no absolutely not he wasn't but you know and you also brought up like more women being on anti-depressants than men I've dated a

Britney Delamoralot of men in my lifetime and one thing that I notice a common trait through all of them including my loving husband who I love so much I have to really pressure him to go to the doctor even if he's hurt or like he's got to deviated come

Britney Delamoraon go to the doctor it's like a lot of men don't want to go to the doctor it's like pulling teeth they won't go until their whole their teeth are falling out and stuff like that like it's just you know I mean that's yeah but they're not

Andrew Wilsonacting out in society in insane ways so you would expect that you see them complete psychopath and lunatic was true that they're just mentally ill people who are not treated I know men who are

Britney Delamoradepressed and have intrusive thoughts and they refuse to go to therapy or refuse to get so what that makes no sense you would expect that if the mental illness of men was as high as it

Andrew Wilsonwas in women that you would see that reflected in society and you don't see it reflected in society it's a huge it makes no sense and not only that to

Andrew Wilsonrejoin to this what actually makes your pimp a narcissist again other than I think he was that's all you're really saying right no diagnosis no nothing you

Britney Delamorajust made it up you made up he was narcissist cuz you want him to be one right no I shared traits with you but anyway you guys said that sharing tra men are deleting themselves more than

Britney Delamorawomen so how do men not have mental illnesses as well and I'm not saying all men I love love men I love women but I'm just trying to prove a point here that you're saying that women are the ones

Britney Delamorathat are all mentally insane yet yet men come on sorry s sorry sorry sorry sorry that Nick that was Nick that was Nick okay Nick come on yet men are the ones that are deleting themselves more

Andrew Wilsonright is that not a statistic that you shared no what do you mean Brian shared that earlier no no no no they they're not suffering

Andrew Wilsonfrom depression they not suffering from these conditions which require ssris they're not suffering from these conditions overwhelmingly like women are because they're apparently according to

Andrew Wilsonthe statistic earlier they are deleting themselves so I mean clearly they strug okay you can you can be self-deceptive and not have a mental

Andrew Wilsonillness I need to be fixed sorry I'm why why is there a requirement that you can deceive yourself uh and that that means you're

Britney Delamoramentally ill that's nuts people do it all the time what that if you delete yourself you're you're saying that people that delete themselves are not necessarily mentally ill no I thought you said delute delute like lie

Andrew Wilsonto them themselves oh no I'm saying Del you're talking about you're talking about men themselves yes that happens at a much higher rate but there's other reasons for that too like for instance they go to war right they get PTSD they

Andrew Wilsonend up uning themselves because of that they're also under all sorts of stressors that women are not under and and what you're going to see is that the by the way this is also conditioned to

Andrew Wilsoncertain demographics for instance black men rarely un alive themselves in comparison to white men would this mean that white men are just generally more uh mentally ill than black men that seems absurd so no you got to kind of

Andrew Wilsondive into that a little bit more before you can make kind of those declarations right but back to this I still want you to understand that the only diagnosis that you gave for this guy being a

Britney Delamoranarcissist is you no I I gave you some traits and that's why I'm asking you so what is your definition who diagnoses it because we can't other than you no I said he's undiagnosed what are you talking about

Background/Production Voiceright so the only thing that makes him a narcissist is because you say so and if he went to therapy he'd probably get diagnosed with it well probably isn't he was diagnosed with it the only one

Britney Delamoradiagnosing him with it is you yeah and I also admitted that I was a narcissist I was definitely self who diagnosed you narcissist I'm diagnosing myself on that one diagnos so I mean that that does

Brian Atlassound kind of narcissistic but anyway I have a chat here we have to wait until this one comes up but uh wow that was a that was a doozy we got a

Brian Atlascouple more questions here stealth I appreciate it um we have Anonymous coming in here though in just a sec with a $100 streamlabs donation get your last donations in if you want we're going to

Brian Atlastry to wrap up so narcissism is claiming to speak in tongues to help you feel special and better about your past seek help this is sad okay I think he had to pull it out of people anyways I don't

Aliciathink anybody was like I speak in tongues I'm so great like that doesn't make you closer to God at all but aren't those those hidden things that you were just talking about earlier that need to get drawn

Brian Atlasout I'm sorry aren't those those hidden things that you were just talking about earlier that need to get drawn out wait a Andrew can I ask you a question about the speaking in tongues thing is that is

Andrew Wilsonthat a Protestant thing yeah purely Protestant and generally only with people like Pentecostals things like this it's uh in no way endorsed by any

Andrew WilsonCatholic Church at all or nor Orthodox Church nor most Protestant churches they know that it's just gibberish speak but is there like anything of about like you

Britney Delamoracan look up the scientific how it affects the wait wait the scientific what it actually the way that tongues like they have done research on how tongues affects the brain and it

Britney Delamoraactually puts people in a more peaceful state so I mean there is it it it so is Yoga so what is Yoga of [Laughter]

Andrew WilsonGod what if what if Satanist if they went and they and they studied Satanist and when Satanist prayed to Satan they were in a more peaceful state would you say I mean I would have to look up the

Britney Delamorathe complete study but I have I I've seen it but it's like just just you know I'm tired right now to be really honest um I'm usually in bed by now I nurse my baby and we we should be in sleep but

Britney Delamoraanyways um no there I have seen a study where um the brain matter basically is like less gray and there's different reasons for that I wish I had that right now to show you but I don't because I

Andrew Wilsondon't have access yeah but the less gray matter in the brain study also indicates that that could be an indication of transgenderism just so no no no no no no stop it stop it okay I don't I'm I'm I'm not going to stop it because the science

Andrew Wilsonis the science we got a key in on the science here right if there if I could show you a study of sat gole getting a benefit getting an emotional benefit from praying to Satan would you

Andrew Wilsonrecommend that they do it no of course not but praying in Tong in the Bible like what are you talking about even Paul says if youal nonsense no Protestants practice it none of the

Andrew Wilsonoriginal Church Founders ever practiced it they knew exactly what it was but on top of that you saying that because it gives people peace doing it or it affects their brain in a positive way I can give you tons of activities which

Andrew Wilsonare terrible for people that do the exact same thing that doesn't make it a Biblical practice yeah Paul says in the Bible if you can

Brian Atlaspray guys religious hold on hold on I'm moving on I'm moving on uh Andrew that was not me speaking in tongues by the way that's just my own

Brian Atlasthing you you got to do the you that's what it looks like it's crazy you look like a Pharisee crazy [ __ ] okay they keep calling you a Pharisee Andrew I don't know what is

Brian Atlasthat all right basically religious uh wait quick Andrew uh what so what's a rejoiner I heard you use that word a couple times like going back

Brian Atlasand reconnecting to okay yeah I've heard that used in like in legal stuff like the law a

Brian Atlasrejoiner I don't know anyways uh last I know what the legal definition is Asia you said that the guy has to be more into the

Nataliagirl for it to work oh God disagree honestly I should not have said that before I met you guys but um no just say what you believe what

NataliaI think is like it's okay I think when women feel like more comfortable is like when the guy sorry I keep doing

Nataliathat to you it's like when the guy likes them more so they feel more like secure and comfortable in their situation but then it's also like how do you measure who likes who more you know

Brian Atlasso it's a little trick on it there you go I think I think it has to be the other way women I think women have to like the man more than the reverse interesting I haven't heard that that's

Brian Atlasa better Dynamic look at us we're learning I mean look it's You can disagree with me I don't don't necessarily I don't have like a study I can show you that this is the case Nei I

Brian Atlasdon't either yeah but I it does seem to me that uh typically for example like I'm sure you turn like if that was the ultimate thing that you desired in a relationship

Brian Atlasthere's tons of simps out there like I'm sure there's dudes that you friendzone that would [ __ ] love like you way more than you like them but you [ __ ]

Brian Atlaslike it's so much so often the case that women are like like the chase MH and like a guy who's a challenge mhm and like a guy who's a bit toxic or an [ __ ] who's like oh I want to get him

Nataliato like me yeah what is that men don't feel that way safety plags yeah yeah I'm sick of it but it's like if if it was the case that women

Aliciaactually wanted that you would just be dating the dudes in your friend zone who have a far greater interest in you than you have in them I think once you heal you definitely like me once I've healed

AliciaI don't like the toxic but I did at one point that was what I went for so I think when I got Jesus I knew my identity that stuff was so unattractive like that ego all that

Brian Atlasnarcissism careful with that one nobody knows what it [Laughter] means I I I just think it's way better

Brian Atlasif the woman the woman is sing she's got to s really yeah that's part of the being submissive yeah I don't I I I guess I don't get that yeah I've never

Brian Atlaslike been that okay let's see we have uh Britney we we had quite let me see if there's any notes here from you Britney

Brian Atlasum former feminist now traditional you were in the uh the adult industry for seven years under an alias you don't want us to say it though right okay uh

Brian Atlas12 years ago you found God yep we talked about that um your husband Christian Pastor um for your you married your husband wonderful gracious man um you

Brian Atlashave had to deal with the repercussions of your past many of your fans we talked about that uh you oh you waited to have sex until marriage yeah we talked about that did we talk about that okay I mean

Brian Atlasit's been mentioned a few times on that note we'll just go around the table uh how long do you think you should wait before you uh get frisky with a a

Brian Atlasgentleman Payton Gallagher theii ger okay Payton G I don't know

Brian Atlasthat for me about like three months damn she's she she good okay uh 3

Nataliamonths bro stop the cap come on Peyton come on she capping no I think she's do for real three months yeah well you haven't been with anyone year yeah over

Brian Atlasa year since my junior year of high school yeah so have you uh have you always waited 3 months with every guy you've been with yes bro Peyton come on

Brian Atlasbro she's only been not that long in the game she just graduated high school yo you year ago bro these girls freshman

Brian Atlasfresh first freshman quarter or semester depending on where you go you'll put up 20 bodies 20 bodies bro right Peyton Peyton don't roll that way you know what

Brian AtlasI'm talking about she don't where where did you say you go to school CSU CI Chanel Island no in house n Cal State University CI yes bro they be they be

Brian Atlas[ __ ] over there no CS it is not that type of Campus okay so three months every single guy you've hooked up with three you've waited three months to have

Brian Atlassex if pay if Paige DMS me after this and says [ __ ] Paige can confirm your she's your roommate by the way is she

Brian Atlaspiss off that she got brought up on the podcast no okay not not that I know of right now okay all right uh every every single one every single

Peytonone three months you got a three Monon rule that's the rule the same as the three month spark goes away three months like three months and you have to wait yeah that's interesting wait you said didn't you say there was a 3-month spark

Brian Atlasthat was you right that it goes away at 3 months even without having sex wait are you are you saying you're a virgin no no you're not a virgin okay

Brian Atlasuh so you're dating six foot tall ripped dudes and they're waiting three months

PeytonT SE I mean not not dating but like that's just ideal what about you how long do you think you should wait to at least a few

Vesperdates few dates yeah has that always been your standard though um mostly yeah I would say that when I was very young I wasn't so on top of it but what about your current boyfriend how long did you

Vesperwait um we waited two dates but we were long distance so he had to fly to come and see me so he was putting in the little more gets it okay what about you how long should you wait um I agree I think it

Nataliashould you should get them get to know them a little you should but how long do you wait like personally yeah personally yeah like first date second date like first hour no I'm kidding no um I think

Nataliayou should just like get to know them first so like whatever you're comfortable with like two three okay what about you um I never really had like a rule a what like I never really

Aliciahad a rule before so yeah okay um till marriage till marriage ladies cuz when you get them soul ties it don't matter it could be ug they could be ugly all of a sudden they

Alicialook good anyway what do you mean Soul Souls tied so when you have when you have sex it's like a spiritual connection it's deeper than just it's not just a hole you know what I mean

Brian Atlasit's like okay uh what what about you how long how long should you wait I am waiting till marriage yay really so you're are you a virgin yeah there you

Brian Atlasgirl that's awes the only congratulations that's beautiful at the table uh sorry they were born again

Brian Atlasvirgins sorry but she's the only ver okay uh really okay um that's the real deal right I'm in intact all that well

Brian Atlasactually Andrew I got to push back a little bit here uh you could have a non intact highman be a virgin that's true you know but it's rare horseback riding

Andrew Wilsonbut rare horseback riding uh who okay I'm just saying that I think that some of the women who claim that they fell on a fence post and broke their highman might be giving us a story

Brian Atlasright that's all I'm saying that's all I'm saying that's fair that's fair also can't T tampons tampons can do it too okay could be anything really yeah

Brian Atlasriding a bike could be a penis do that then you wouldn't be a virgin though um how long do you think you should wait till for now I believe Mar how long

Britney Delamorashould you wait for carnal knowledge oh gosh you know I read a book I read a book uh it was uh date like a man think or think date like a man think

Britney DelamoraI don't know Think Like a Man date like a woman I don't remember do you know which one I'm talking about I think I heard it I think Steve Harvey or something oh his advice was 90 days I'm not saying that I agree with that but

Britney Delamorathat's just you know I I really do believe waiting until marriage brings sorry IIT produces a lot of benefit no offense P I believe that waiting till marriage produces a lot of benefits I was able to fall in love with my husband

Britney Delamorafor his mind his heart um I do believe that sex can be blinding so it's like when you're in a relationship and it can be not the best relationship for you and you start overlooking all the wrongs

Britney Delamorabecause you know sex can get in the way because it really does blind you um and when you're married and having sex with your spouse then it helps you to overlook all the the offenses and so forth so I think it's a beautiful thing

Britney Delamorain marriage I think that it can really hinder um relationships though like outside of marriage um for me I I have a

Sunnyinteresting little perspective on it is they were doing studies in the 60s on a type of uh worm and it was talking about

SunnyDNA and the memory stored in DNA um second are you okay no just got super pregnant like 5 minutes

Sunnyago Champion over here so it's called microc curis and what they're finding is men's DNA is getting inserted into females brains outside if

Sunnyyou've carried a child all the way to full-term pregnancy so they're doing autopsies right now and they're finding that when you are having unprotected sex with male sexual partners their DNA is

Sunnyactually getting stored in your brain and so when you go back into the studies with the' 60s and you kind of combine this information that the DNA stores memory it stores trauma and so what they were doing with these worms is they were

Sunnyelectrocuting them they were chop them all up put them in a blender regrow them and then see and they held the knowledge of that trauma so the worms were able to avoid it in an evolutionary way So for anybody who believes that there's

Sunnygenerational trauma or there's you know you can absorb and whatever that stuff is I think that it's good to wait till marriage because now in this newer science that we are finding in these

Sunnyautopsies like they just published this maybe a month ago uh 7 years after intercourse with a male partner they're finding his DNA in their brain personally I don't really want to be absorbing a bunch of randoms DNA into my

Andrew Wilsonbrain this is all though to be now this would actually be good for for my points right but in the spirit of fairness this is all Cutting Edge and we don't know for sure that this is the case or that

Sunnythis is true we don't actually know that this for certain I've I've heard of the micro chimerism thing I mean there's like this has been since the 60s with the flat worms but now they're multiple universities cuz I tried to find the

Sunnyspecific doctor in the specific white paper cuz I figured somebody would ask and they're just saying there's too many people adding to This research that nobody can like claim this science and I think it's evidence too people will

Aliciastrongly like after sex you either hate the person or you love the P like it there's always a connection it's not like you know it's proven not I I mean there are men who maybe just yeah do it just to do it it's not it's not a

Andrew Wilsonquestion about the DNA being there that's ridiculous that's not proven like for instance if you had sex for money do you have an emotional connection with the person I'm not saying this is about

Andrew Wilsonemotion but I'm saying that it is known like hang on hang on if you have sex with a person for money do you suddenly have an emotional connection to

Aliciahim I mean spiritually I think you definitely can um but also most people in the industry are on drugs or drinking they're never they never want to be sober for that that activity it's not

Andrew Wilsonlike what guys think it is when they watch it no I get it but I'm just saying that I like for instance there was a woman on a panel uh on this very show not very

Andrew Wilsonlong ago who told me that she could turn it on and off she literally sat where the gallon pink is sitting right now Brian you remember her she said I can turn it on and I can turn turn it off

Andrew Wilsonwhenever I want to and it's because she had been yeah go ahead okay so yeah yeah so anyway yeah she that's what she had said she had said that she could turn it on she could

Andrew Wilsonturn it off whatever she wanted to if there was money involved disassociation but what does that have to do with it being confirmed that DNA can transfer no

Andrew Wilsonno this never never ever knowing something scientifically is super difficult kn it like actually having knowledge that it's true very very hard

Andrew Wilsonthat's why we have theories which have been around for years and years and years which are called theories even though they are basically knowledge like the theory of gravity for instance knowing something scientifically is

Andrew Wilsondifficult and you never want to jump to the conclusion that it's true just because you have some some studies which might confirm whatever this is you never want to do that it's always a bad policy

Sunnythe theory is how it's there but the confirmation of the male's DNA is confirmed and this is in the it's confirmed in what sample size

Andrew Wilsongroup we don't have our phones on us but you can I guarantee you it ain't going to be very big so the thing is is like confirming this depending on sample size depending on what type of experiment was

Andrew Wilsondone having this replicated over multiple years so that we have actual knowledge of it that's not easy to do so I'm always really careful and cautious when it comes to applied scientific studies that would be because they would

Andrew Wilsonnot claim knowledge of this sociology sure you can claim whatever the [ __ ] you want it's all nonsense but applied science yeah that's it's a much more difficult s this is something like you

Sunnysaid the micr curm like since the 60s all I'm saying is even if it is a low rate it's the fact that this is a possibility that if you have unprotected

Sunnysex with Partners you can't actually absorb their DNA and it's something that's going to be there up to years after only for women can dudes like [ __ ] juice go for it and it like gets into the brain or some [ __ ] no you're good to go [ __ ]

Sunnyjuice but it's different for men and it is different for woman we're made biologically different and this is that whole but like let me ask you a question that that just comes to mind right the top of my head oh no if a man does not

Andrew Wilsoncome inside of a woman uh does does she retain his DNA then in her brain it wasn't specified in the studies that's weird I thought we

Sunnyknew I said the theory it's the DNA is there as an intercourse partner preferably or primarily in women who carry up to term in pregnancy but also

Sunnyto women who have had no signs of pregnancy seven years after so she's right PR she's right but it didn't say has to and leave

Brian Atlasit in there it did not specify that it said here let's let's move on let's move on Justin Psychopaths have the Tendencies to use knives look at people talk to people drive cars eat breakfast eat dinner and

Andrew Wilsonwear clothes by the way hang on I'm sorry I got to bring this up a fact check by rooters study did not find women store DNA from intercourse with men uh you can check this out if you

Andrew Wilsonwant to one fact check by rooters but go back all the way to like McMillan going back to the' 60s like yeah I know but you just stated it like it's fact you got to it's such a problem when it comes to debates especially

Sunnydon't state things especially in science which are scientific fact because they're almost never fact it's almost never true you've got studies going from all the way from the 60s and this becomes a very political topic and if

Andrew Wilsonyou look at who sponsors Rutters you have to understand where is the money coming from oh [ __ ] where are we going with this so you think that you're taking one fact chap saying is not in a

Andrew Wilsonmassive cover up to stop the fact that that men's DNA could reside with women for up to seven years past I don't even understand how that would politically be bad for the last up to seven in the most

Sunnyrecent autopsy disses they said up to seven years it's showing damn so I'm just saying you're going to take ladies out here studies all the way from the

Sunny60s that are multiple studies and you're going to completely throw those all out over one fact Checker who they have also been wrong and then gone back and like

Sunnyoh we were wrong so I'm just saying they're not always the most reliable they're very politically biased on some things now that's not what this podcast is about so I'm going to leave it at that but I would say wait till marriage

Andrew Wilsonbecause there's a chance of a random DNA absortion yeah and I would say that I would love to get behind this and tell you yes it's great because it supports my position but you should be really

Andrew Wilsonreally careful when you talk about anything which is science applied which is Cutting Edge and just came out last week or a couple months ago and then they they have links they'll say well this is supporting other scientific data

Andrew Wilsonetc etc what I always tend to find is that it's usually not true which is why you see all the Cutting Edge on the transgender stuff being proven to be untrue that's why you see that happening

Andrew Wilsonexcept anyways sorry guys this no no the' 60s it's not from the 60s You're Building what they're doing is they're making references

Brian Atlasthat're let's right time to move on got to move on got to move on smoke yourself all right Vesper will

Brian Atlaswe have a few last notes with you uh okay um hold on hold on where where where are we uh you said that you uh dated guy who tried to kill you why

Vesperdon't you tell us about that no oh my gosh um there's not really a whole lot to say about it he strangled me until I had a seizure whoa what the [ __ ]

Vesperdamn I consider that trying to kill me damn yeah it's a yikes I'm fine but wead okay yeah that was crazy I'm so sorry is

Brian AtlasWayne Brady going to have the choke a [ __ ] oh I'm sorry I had to I had to it's okay some people are into that you know check my Twitter first wait going around the table really quick are you

WoW Stream Audio/Backgroundinto choking no yes no yes not anymore no

Vesperno okay I don't know something happened in like 2012 it was like chicks just want started getting choked I don't know what happened to be completely clear he was not choking me during sex it was not

Brian Atlassexual when it was happening it was like a homicidal choke not a sexual okay good to know good to know let's see you also

Brian Atlassaid uh like lead we talked about leading uh I think creating women are getting very turned off by being told oh well hold on we did played the Charlie

Brian AtlasKirk video about the women um not being in their Prime in their 30s but you wrote here this would have been perhaps good to weigh in on um women are getting very turned off by being told they'll

Brian Atlasexpire after 30 and things like that it's making them not want to get married or have children I agree uh I think women expire after 30 but it's just sort of well people say that as you start

Brian Atlasaging you become less attractive you're less desirable do I mean do you disagree um no I do agree but I think that you don't

Vesperlike the extreme position of like expire things like that I think that if you want women to get married and have children or like wait till marriage and things like that I wouldn't say those things yeah cuz you're going to like rush it and it makes

Brian Atlasum women not want to get married for sure well wouldn't it achieve that goal actually to have them get married younger um what do you mean well if you like oh tell them hey yeah um I think it

Brian Atlasmakes women scared of getting married because their husband will like leave them at once they turn 30 yeah well women initiate over 80 about 80% of

Aliciadivorces so I mean yes that is true I mean oh my God is what's that that's that's scary it's like a scary High number I think if you get married young to I think it's until you turn like what

Nataliais it scary that your bra develop scary for the woman or scary for the man scary to get married it's scary to get married yeah I think the strain your mic up please oh sorry go ahead yeah I think

Nataliait's scary like to get married if that's it's so high like 80% of women are like negotiating like they're bringing this

Brian Atlasup oh my God that's kind based yeah we should do we blame the women it's all women's fault is that what

Nataliayou're saying wait wow that you're such a sexist wow what a sexist statement for you to make to blame women I can't even

Nataliadare I can't even like I know misogynist okay you are a misogynist well why are they initiating and we need to cancel you but he's roasting her what

Brian Atlasno I know I I got that okay let's see what else do we have uh uh not a not a feminist you disagree with third W feminism you don't think sex work is

Brian Atlasempowering for women don't you do that though you're currently a dancer okay yeah I just don't push it on other women or try to say that I'm empowered through it yeah less competition I get it oh no

Vesperyou know less girls in the club I mean I guess so more singles for you you know what I mean sure yeah okay I wouldn't say that that's why I do it though okay I do it because I think sex work is bad

Vesperfor women wait you do sex work because you think it's bad for women no I wouldn't say that um oh okay I wouldn't say that it's empowering because I think it's bad for women not because I don't

Vesperwant the competition right why do you think that it's bad for women um all kinds of reasons I just think that it's a very hard environment to be in It's A

VesperHard industry to be in um I do think that depending on the type of sex work that you do that can cause pair bonding problems things like that mhm it's a it's harder to find a partner it's

Britney Delamoraharder to be accepted by your family it's harder to find friends I'm glad that you're being honest about that because a lot of people my my former self included would really paint a

Britney Delamorapicture of like this is the best job ever and I'm making so much money and look at you know and it's it's really a lie that most women won't admit to so yeah that was part of the reason I

Vesperwanted to come on was because I think that people try to push that it's okay and I don't want that message to be why do you Do It um money I don't know yeah

Vesperare there other things that you could do m i do other things as well it's not okay but you do it anyway um I don't think it's okay to push the idea that it's a good thing to

Andrew Wilsonyoung women okay just to to backtrack here um but you are engaged in that activity right yes okay so then it wouldn't be

Andrew Wilsongood for you to do either right yes wait I just why don't you so then why don't you stop doing it a lot of reasons but it's not good like I don't I don't get like you're literally saying

Andrew Wilsonit's bad for me to do but then you're going to do it anyway makes my hard is it just is it because because you like money um yeah that and other reasons I

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