Andrew Wilson! DRAMA! Bratty Gamer Girl?! E-GIRLS! Born Again VlRGlN?! | Dating Talk #150

Date: 2024-04-08

Duration: 6h 25m

Guests

Brian Atlas

PPeyton (DT150)>

VVesper (DT150)>

CCrystal (DT150)>

AAlicia (DT150)>

NNatalia (DT150)>

BBritney Delamora >

SSunny (DT150)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Background Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS/Background Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_02Britney Delamora(guest)

SPEAKER_03Sunny(guest)

SPEAKER_04Vesper(guest)

SPEAKER_05Natalia(guest)

SPEAKER_06Peyton(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Crystal(guest)

SPEAKER_14Alicia(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces the panel; guests include stripper Vesper (24, Dallas), medical student Peyton (19, Rancho Cucamonga), Crystal (29, LA stripper), Alicia/Megan (34, Air Force vet / boxer / born-again Christian), Natalia (almost 19, Seattle), Britney Delamora (37, ministry founder / former porn actress), Sunny (34, Canadian, Naked and Afraid, 12 weeks pregnant), and returning guest Andrew Wilson (host of The Crucible).

“"without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name"”

QuoteBritney Delamora reveals she was in the adult film industry for 7 years and has been out for 12 years; she now runs a ministry helping porn-addicted people and ex-industry workers.

“"I was in the adult film industry for seven years of my life... I've been out for 12 years"”

QuoteSunny announces she appeared on Naked and Afraid (Discovery Channel), filmed in the Colombian jungle for 21 days, as one of only 6 Canadians to complete the challenge. Episode aired March 17, 2024.

“"I am a survivalist for Discovery Channel known as Naked and Afraid so only six Canadians have ever completed that challenge"”

QuoteAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible, described as fastest-growing debate channel on the internet; returns to Whatever Podcast.

“"my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible fastest growing debate channel"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges the concept of born-again virginity as "nonsensical false doctrine," arguing that virginity is physically gone and cannot be spiritually restored. Extended debate with Alicia and Britney Delamora over purity vs. virginity, and whether Christianity is a religion or a relationship.

“"born again virgin... that doesn't make sense to me... your virginity was not put back into your body"”

ControversyBritney Delamora clarifies the born-again virgin concept: purity (a heart condition) is restorable by God; physical virginity is not. Calls it "a second chance at doing things right."

“"virginity is not yeah what... God can give you back virginity is not"”

QuoteBritney Delamora reveals she was baptized by her pimp (who claimed to be Christian) while still in the porn industry, and then felt the Holy Spirit tell her to leave her pimp and call her mother.

“"your pimp took you to church to baptize out the demons is that right"”

OtherSunny announces she is 12 weeks pregnant with her second child; married in fall 2023; gender reveal planned at week 20.

“"I'm currently pregnant with another one currently pregnant super excited... 12 weeks"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson opens debate on female pastors, citing Paul's epistles; challenges Britney Delamora on whether women should have pastoral authority over men. Brian cuts off the extended theological argument to move on.

“"where is the idea that women can be ordained as female pastors come from"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges Alicia on keeping provocative photos on Instagram while claiming born-again Christianity. Asks repeatedly what stops her from deleting them. Alicia says she was re-baptized only 3 weeks prior and it is a process. Andrew references Satan wanting the photos up. Alicia calls Andrew a Pharisee.

“"what is actually stopping you if you believe that it's wrong... from right this second deleting them"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues parents should disown adult children for doing OnlyFans or porn. Britney strongly disagrees: many women in sex work got there due to family dysfunction; removal of love is counterproductive. Panel mostly disagrees with Andrew.

“"parents should disown their adult children for doing only fans or porn which you disagree with"”

OtherDating profile review segment: Natalia's Bumble profile (musical reference flagged by panel; Hennessy comment flagged by chat). Peyton's profile (no kids, atheist, liberal, weed). Chat votes mostly no-swipe on Natalia. Discussion of who is on birth control.

“"we're going to do the dating profile review segment"”

OtherSelf-ratings round: Brian reads viewer request. Alicia: 9-10 (Jesus's eyes). Peyton: 6. Crystal: 7. Britney: 7 (was 10 at 27). Sunny: 5 to 5.5. Andrew Wilson: 20-25-30 (joking). Andrew criticizes Britney's self-rating as delusional; praises Sunny's honesty.

“"Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10 starting with you"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson criticizes Britney Delamora's self-rating of 7-8 as delusional, calling it an example of cognitive dissonance he observes all night. Britney responds that she is a 10 to her husband and she is not on the market. Sunny diplomatically avoids directly calling others delusional.

“"there's no fucking universe in which you are an eight"”

QuoteBrian shares he was cheated out of Perdition's Blade in Molten Core (WoW classic) by Loot Council; nearly quit the guild on the spot.

“"I was in a guild I got screwed over on perdition's blade... this other Rogue already had two purple daggers"”

OtherBody count round: Alicia = 0, Peyton = 10, Vesper = 20, Crystal = around 12, Natalia = declined, Britney = ~200+ scenes. Andrew Wilson presses unnamed guests on accuracy of "a lot." Britney clarifies she had a yes-list of ~8 regular men for most of career.

“"what's your body count starting with you"”

ControversyBowing discussion: Brian asks if women would bow to their man. Most female guests decline. Andrew and Brian argue hypocrisy: women refuse a bow but accept degrading sexual acts. Britney would bow lovingly to husband (not in worship). Sunny references Filipino mano po cultural bow.

“"would you bow if you were dating a guy and he's like I'd really appreciate a bow"”

OtherEnd of show: Brian raids WowGrandma78 (82yo WoW retail streamer) on Twitch; secondary Twitch raid to FrostAdamus. Andrew Wilson redirects YouTube viewers to The Crucible channel.

“"we are going to do a twitch raid... WowGrandma78 she's 82 she plays World of Warcraft"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Notable: Britney Delamora reveals ministry background and former porn career. Sunny announces 12-week pregnancy on show. Andrew Wilson returns as guest debater. Alicia reveals Air Force background, celebrity boxing (Blac Chyna fight), and born-again Christianity.

Relationship status round

Brian goes around table for relationship status and relationship history. Vesper: engaged, fiance 17 years older (age 41). Alicia: celibate since March 2022, dating Jesus. Britney: married 8 years / together 10. Sunny: married fall 2023; 12 weeks pregnant. Extended debate on born-again virginity between Andrew Wilson, Alicia, and Britney. Andrew calls the concept "nonsensical false doctrine." Britney clarifies purity vs virginity.

Born-again virginity debate

Andrew Wilson challenges Alicia and Britney on the concept of born-again virginity. Andrew: virginity is physically gone and cannot be spiritually restored. Alicia: it is spiritual purity, not physical; God restores what was taken. Britney: clarifies purity (a heart condition) is restorable; virginity (physical) is not. Debate extends into whether Christianity is a religion or a relationship, denominational accountability, and how to adjudicate competing Holy Spirit claims.

Female pastors debate

Andrew Wilson asks where the idea of female pastors comes from; cites Pauline epistles. Britney: was ordained but does not call herself pastor; leads connect groups for women. Believes women can pastor over women under male authority. Andrew: women should not have ecclesiastical authority over men per scripture. Debate includes women evangelists (woman at the well, Mary Magdalene) vs. pastoral role. Britney references illiteracy in early church context for Pauline "women be silent" passages.

Hawaii first class / economy scenario

Brian poses scenario: boyfriend pays for Hawaii trip but takes first class while putting girlfriend in economy. Most guests find it problematic unless he has a legitimate reason (back pain, affordability). All say they would be fine if both were in economy together. Andrew Wilson: if he can pay for the whole trip, sitting apart in first class is reasonable. Vesper: bothered; would be "stressed out" reading it as a sign he might abandon her. Natalia: wants to meet in the middle (comfort class). Sunny: totally fine if legitimate reason (back pain); grateful for the trip overall.

Christianity debate: religion vs. relationship / Instagram photos

Andrew Wilson challenges Alicia on having provocative photos on Instagram while claiming Christian faith. Andrew: asks what is stopping her from deleting photos she admits are inappropriate. Alicia: recently re-baptized (3 weeks ago); it is a process; God convicts over time. Britney: agrees it is a process; she transitioned out over years. Andrew accuses Alicia of having no good excuse for delay. Andrew references the Paradox of Declining Female Happiness — women everywhere are miserable due to exported Western feminist ideology. Alicia calls Andrew a Pharisee.

Would you date a feminist / feminist definition

Brian asks who would date a man who does not identify as a feminist. Most say yes they would date a non-feminist man. Alicia: man should be masculine; society has pushed women into masculine roles due to emotional damage. Britney: if husband were a feminist they would not be married. Brief debate on what feminism means. Natalia: would be bothered by a man who is grossed out by feminism in front of her friends. Crystal: does not think identifying as feminist is necessary. Vesper: matching values matters; does not need a feminist partner.

Vesper Instagram / Twitter / OnlyFans review

Brian reads Vesper's social media bio: luxury house pet, bratty gamer girl, University Art ho, court jester. Discusses tweets: men deserve someone addicted to sex with them; obsessed with fat men (not a feeder); orange peel theory; "charge your man cash every time he disrespects you." Andrew asks about video game skill; Vesper says she is moderate, plays story/building games. Discussed BFA in Studio Arts (painting, ceramics).

Disowning children for sex work

Andrew Wilson says parents should disown adult children doing OnlyFans or porn. Panel debates. Peyton: understands disowning if it harms family reputation (medical field parents). Alicia: disagrees; her mother kept contact during addiction and kept her alive. Britney: strongly disagrees; women in sex work need family love most. Sunny: supports tough love but not disowning; parents should be honest. Vesper: nuanced; not all families are close; not automatic shame. Andrew: argues it is a legitimate response to protect family honor.

Dating profile review segment

Brian and panel review dating app profiles (Bumble) for Natalia and Peyton. Natalia profile: likes acting like a musical (panel warns to remove this); can finish a bottle of Hennessy (chat reacts negatively). Chat votes mostly swipe no on Natalia. Peyton profile: 5'6", no workouts, Pisces, does not want children, atheist, liberal, smokes weed socially. Discussion of whether Peyton has accidental celibacy. Brian asks who is on birth control (IUD, implant, hormonal). Sunny: pregnant (perfect birth control). Natalia: not on anything.

Peyton standards and requirements discussion

Brian probes Peyton on why she is single with high standards. Peyton: needs to be star-struck; is very picky. Standards: 6+ feet, goes to gym, muscular not bodybuilder, celebrity crush type Vinnie Hacker. Has been involuntarily celibate for over a year despite going out weekly (Santa Barbara). Andrew Wilson: women dating up are often passed over by men they want. Discussion of Peyton's picky nature vs. her Bumble inactivity.

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Brian reads viewer request to rate looks 1-10. Peyton: maybe 6. Alicia: 9 (then says 10 in Jesus's eyes). Crystal: 7. Britney: 7 (at 37 after 2 kids; was 10 at 27). Sunny: 5 to 5.5 (honest; scoliosis affects posture). Andrew Wilson: 20-25-30 (joking delusional answer); Andrew gives Sunny a solid 6. Andrew criticizes Britney's 7-8 as delusional by objective standards. Extended debate on objective vs. subjective beauty standards.

Women's happiness and feminism / Western ideology

Andrew Wilson presents Paradox of Declining Female Happiness research (Rachel Wilson Substack). Claims women are universally less happy than men across cultures and countries. Attributes this to feminist and Western ideology export causing women to forget "their place." Britney: has had 12 consecutive years of joy since becoming a Christian; attributes unhappy Christian women to insufficient daily practice (prayer, Bible). Alicia: happiness comes from Jesus regardless of external circumstances. Panel mostly agrees feminism has negative effects on female happiness.

WoW streamers dating discussion

Brian shows profiles of WoW streamers xQc, Asmongold, and Pokelawls. Asks if guests would date them. Most say no despite xQc's $100M deal. Peyton: would not date xQc (reminds her of Pete Davidson). Crystal: loot council (all about the money). Vesper: says she would be a feeder for them (joking). Brian laments that these millionaire gamers can't attract the panel.

Body count round

Brian asks body counts. Alicia/Megan: 0 (zero; celibate; did not do scenes with men on OnlyFans; not completely nude). Peyton: "two hands" (10). Vesper (implied via "Asia" reference): 20. Crystal: around 12. Natalia: no comment (declined, was called out by Andrew Wilson and Brian). Britney Delamora: approximately 200+ scenes; yes-list of ~8 regular male partners for most of career. Sunny: 2 hands (ambiguous; either ~10 or two partners). Andrew Wilson asks if "a lot" would be accurate for certain unnamed guests; pushes for honesty.

Bowing debate

Brian and Andrew ask if women would bow to their partner. Brian: just wants a bow; compares it to engagement ring tradition. Andrew: raises the point that women refuse simple acts of deference but accept degrading sexual acts. Britney: would bow in loving context to husband; not in worship context. Alicia: would bow if submissive but only to husband. Vesper: maybe if he bows back; would not if only she had to. Peyton: refuses; Natalia: stresses out trying to analyze gesture. Andrew: suggests curtsy as alternative. Sunny: references Filipino mano po (placing elder hand to forehead) as cultural bow equivalent. Brian references Exodus 20:5 (do not bow to idols) in the debate.

WoW streamer raid and closing

Brian raids WowGrandma78 (82-year-old WoW retail streamer) on Twitch; tells chat to be nice and tell her to come on the show. Secondary raid to FrostAdamus (also WoW player). Andrew Wilson redirects YouTube viewers to The Crucible channel. Brian discusses WoW guild loot systems with panel (Loot Council, DKP, Soft Reserve, etc.); shares personal story of being cheated on Perdition's Blade in Molten Core by Loot Council. Final bowing discussion: Andrew asks if women would bow to their man. Most decline (except Britney saying she would bow in love to husband). Brian compares refusing a bow to allowing more degrading sexual acts.

Transcript

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Peytonage location and occupation go ahead okay so my name is pton I'm from Rancho kukamonga California currently I'm a medical assistant I'm studying nursing

Vesperat Cal State Channel Islands age 19 all right welcome what about you my name is Vesper I'm 24 I'm from Dallas I'm a stripper and an

Nataliaonly fans girl and a student all right welcome hi I'm Asia I'm 21 I'm originally from Jersey but I'm a student here at

CrystalUCSB age oh did you say 21 sorry hi I'm Crystal I'm 29 I'm from Los Angeles California and I'm a

Aliciastripper okay welcome Alicia Megan 34 Air Force vetan and celebrity boxer um social media influencer who did you um have you had multiple matches or just

Aliciaone or how many just one my first pro fight is coming up in May and I fought Black China so but it was with headgear this one's going to be no head gear who the [ __ ] is that guy wait who who's

Aliciablack chy you don't know who Black China is I've heard her name once she had Rob Kardashian's baby um she's like a oh yeah she she's uh kind of well known in the

Aliciacelebrity is she a rapper or what is she was a rapper she was a stripper she found God we're friends now obviously she doesn't rap anymore I don't think so I haven't heard anything did you um did you

Aliciawin yes it was a draw but I won every round the only reason I didn't is because of who she was she just lost a lawsuit of $100 million against the Kardashians so the judge told me after the fight he was like we could have

Alicianever let you win even though she was on the ground three times wait what I'm not it was fixed I'm sorry it was fixed yeah it was fixed I didn't know that thank God I didn't

Brian Atlasknow that cuz I was fighting my demons out there wait so hold on why is she getting sued for or why was she getting sued for $100 million I think it had something to

Aliciado with her TV show she wanted more money cuz she was on one of their TV shows and then she didn't win it now they're all good now I heard something like that oh I don't keep up with it but okay you don't keep up with the c

Nataliaokay what about you yeah I'm Natalia um I'm from Seattle Washington uh I go to Channel Islands

Britney DelamoraUniversity now and I'm a business major age um few days away from 19 oh all right welcome all right my name is

Britney DelamoraBritney delamora I just turned 37 years old on April Fool's Day uh I run a Ministry with my husband called lovealways ministries.com uh we help people who are addicted to

Britney Delamorapornography stop watching porn we also help industry workers who want to transition out um just we bridge that gap for them I was in the adult film industry for seven years of my life so I'm very passionate about it I've been

Brian Atlasout for 12 years um and I've just made it my mission to help women and help people that are addicted to porn wait so you have a Ministry yeah are you a are

Britney Delamorayou like a pastor or what uh I was ordained but I don't necessarily I mean I pastored at our church in San Diego I was ordained alongside my husband um but I'm not currently pastoring and I

Britney Delamorawouldn't necessarily call myself a pastor but I definitely have a heart for people okay um and I love people deeply wait who uh who are D you uh our old

Andrew Wilsonpastor Pastor Sergio in Sano Pastor in your Church Pastor D you as a minister yes he did heart Revolution Church in

SunnySan Diego gotcha MH hi I'm sunny and I am an adventure photographer and Wilderness guide and survivalist um yeah I do a little bit of

Sunnyextreme stuff here and there but this is the most intimidating thing I've done yet I think so there you go age I'm 34 and you were

Sunnyrecently on a TV show correct I was I am a survivalist for Discovery Channel uh known as Naked and Afraid so only six Canadians have ever completed that

Sunnychallenge and I have made mine my episode aired March 17th actually um so yeah if you guys like to see secondhand fun feel free to check it out cuz

Brian Atlasthere's it's awful and the the show they pair you up it's typically a man and a woman paired up together Naked and Afraid typically but it's been changing around a lot so they've done Mentor

Sunnychallenge uh challenges where it was a woman's tribe which was really cool uh in our season they've done where it's two men two women and they meet up halfway through the challenge I was

Sunnypaired with a uh Green Beret from the UK who's also a sear instructor and he is like Special Forces so they had to give him translation at the bottom for his accent it was kind of funny yeah I saw a

Brian Atlascouple of the clips it was fairly pretty thick accent and so you're basically you're fully nude the man and the woman surviving where where were you were you

SunnyI was in the heart of the Colombian jungle the heart of the Colombian jungle Y and uh how long was the whole process 21 days 21 days Dam 21 days you're there alone at night we had a puma come into

Sunnyour camp and stick its face in my partner's face that was fun um but yeah it is just full suffering you go as much as you can back to your primitive roots and all you have is like a knife and a fire starter and everything else you

Sunnyhave to learn to get from the land and adapt which is just wild can you opt out at any time though like if you're just like [ __ ] this yeah somebody rescue yeah

Sunnyum most people tap out within the first six days uh we actually had Apparently one person uh get on the boat about to

Andrew Wilsongo into the jungle and was like no no no thanks wow okay cool and then uh Andrew yeah my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible fastest growing

Andrew Wilsondebate channel to my knowledge anywhere on the internet I'm a blood sport debater um and I also do uh all sorts of conversations like this like to thank whatever podcast for having me back on appreciate it very much and Their

Andrew Wilsonaudience and to the ladies hope we have a productive conversation this evening welcome oh there he is watch this he's lighting up is a marble what they're the cow the cowboy Killers

Brian Atlasmaror Reds there you go there you go we're going to go around the table once more so what is everybody's current relationship status so are you single talking stage situationship Friends with

Brian AtlasBenefits relationship married poly cool sex cult whatever it may be if uh if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in

Peytonstarting with you go ahead single about over a year now the longest relationship I've been in is 6 months six months okay what about you I'm engaged and the longest relationship I've been in was

Brian Atlasabout four years is that your current relationship no uh how long have you been seeing your current uh fiance about 2 and a half years 2.5 years okay and I

Brian Atlasthink in your pre-show messages you said there was a uh a decent uh age Gap in the relationship mm he's 17 years older than me so you're 24 and so he's 41 41

Natalia41 okay busted out the math real quick on that one that was good okay what about you I'm single um I have been for around like six months and my longest relationship was a year and a

Brian Atlashalf all right longest relationship a year and a half and was that the one that ended 6 months ago no okay that's a different one okay different one and then what about you was your six-month

Peytonrelationship the one that ended you said you've been single for one year is that the one from one year ago um it was more of my junior year of high school so definitely over a year got it um yeah

Crystalokay what about you uh I'm in a relationship I've been in that relationship for a year now and my longest relationship was 4 years did you guys meet that the club we

Crystaldid me at the club was he a customer um your boy boyfriend right yes my boyriend he was not my customer like he never spent money on me but does that bother you that doesn't that didn't bother you

CrystalI mean I he did like eventually but not like I met him through another customer that I like made friends with and then would it have been better or worse had

Brian Atlashe been your customer I don't think I would have dated him if he was your customer yeah okay interesting but he was a customer of somebody else's yeah at the club okay all right what about

Aliciaabout you um I have been in a relationship with Jesus since I went to detox March 2022 and obviously

Aliciacelibate just gave my life to like re get rededicated my life to Christ so that's the best relationship you can have it'll never break your heart ladies

Aliciayeah wait so you're going to become a nun no I'm just I'm just in a place where I'm still healing and I don't need a man right now now I'm just God's going

Brian Atlasto make it happen it's I'm not rushed or pressed about it so do I put down I got a thing I write Jes do I put single are you dating Jesus

Background VoiceI don't know you just put single how long have you been dating Jesus since 2022 so for like two years you'd say or two years single for two years yeah sing

Aliciaso for when did you convert uh so I was always Christian well first I was Catholic which is very religious and then I was Southern

AliciaBaptist which is also very religious and it's more uh it's not relation Catholic to a southern baptist yes I know intense everything I do is intense and then um now I'm Christian which is not a

Aliciareligion it's a relationship with Christ and that's what we're missing because religion separates condemns and that's not why Jesus even came here and if we all wait wait hang she law like lawful

Andrew Wilsonlike that she's talk it's not it's not a it's not a religion no it's a relationship with God it's a Bible so it's a relationship with God Christianity Christianity is the Bible

Britney Delamorano but it's a relationship with God I don't think that it is actually like religion is the problem so I don't I don't understand okay by definition it's a religion but she's saying that like

Britney Delamorabeing a Baptist it came with a whole set of laws like you know you you're more so trying to live up to the law but Jesus died because none of us can actually live up to the law and we need his grace so she's saying she used to follow a lot

Andrew Wilsonof laws but now she's following intimacy with Jesus amen if that makes know um she can talk so anyway so back back to you if you don't mind um I'd like to

Andrew Wilsonlike to kind of get into this with you so that I understand your worldview um nothing I'm not not going for you nothing like that I just want to understand so yeah um if we can back up

Aliciajust a little bit you started out as a Catholic correct yes I went to Mass every morning I was a kid my parents kind of just said go to church we all went to church it was you know when you're a kid you're being told what to

Aliciado how did you Veer over to Southern baptism uh they actually came to our door and said hey this is what we believe and my parents then converted

Aliciaand then we did so it was more of like what our family wanted and then um yeah I went to church three times a week I used to have a long skirt knock door to

Andrew Wilsondoor like if you die T night will you go to Heaven very intense um upbringing religious wise okay got it so then uh moving over from there you get into your

Andrew Wilsoncareer your sex work career correct I'm I'm sorry did you I'm sorry if I get this wrong uh I was taking notes but I want to make sure you did have a career in some kind of uh sex work is that

Aliciaright so I was in the military um for 9 years and then once I got out of the military I did join only fans um okay I did not actually do like porn but I did

Aliciayou know still show my body online for M and did you consider that a violation of your Christian values when you did that yeah I mean I was heavily heavily medicated on perks I didn't want to we

Aliciacan say I think we I did not want to be on this Earth um and so that really played a big role into it I went away

Aliciafrom God um and I was an addict at that point at 28 years old I became an addict and how long um how long did you do the

Aliciaonly fans career um since 2019 I got out of it just this in January this year okay so you would say that you made your

AliciaHeadway back to Christianity and what made you do that well a part of it was I got sober that's a big part of it and then also I would go to the meetings that they have I'm sure you guys know

Aliciaabout the 12-step program and then I realized the only way to get sober is to really and even the program at self was built on the Bible and that's when I went back to my roots and I started you

Aliciamean um you mean the 12ep program yes was basically built from the Bible um but it's a non-religious um program and so the more I dug in the more I became

Aliciain love with Jesus my faith and yeah I just see the world completely different my P perspective he changed everything for me so if you had to assign your

Andrew Wilsonbrand of Christianity then are you going to assign your brand of Christianity as non denominational theistic but non-religious is that basically how you're framing that I would say non-

Andrew Wilsondenominational yeah yeah but also not religious yes okay so how how can you follow a religion if you're not in in

Aliciathe religion I'm confused about this so it's a relationship you give your life to Christ and then you have a church obviously a community that reads the Bible and that's the relationship that's

Andrew Wilsonthe religion but to each you have to do in order to adhere to the religious teachings of Jesus Christ to qualify you as a Christian right well you come right as you are there's no you have to be

Aliciathis person you have to like he took me in when I was so broken he can't work with people who have pride all these different things so um I would say of course the closer you get with God the more you don't want to do those things

Alicialike I recently just cleaned up my iig I recently went through my closet and I was like I can't wear some of this stuff so it's a process it's not like you you find Jesus and then you're holy the next

Aliciaday like slowly he'll start convicting you of things but it's never from condemnation yeah no I I get that but what I'm trying to figure out here is

Andrew Wilsonyou do believe that there is criteria to be a Christian right I mean read the Bible be Christlike that's that's the only criteria I mean read the Bible you think the religion is the

Aliciabook um I just think it's more of a relationship with God I think the second you put religion on it it's it's just a different thing so yeah yeah well because it when you when you adhere to

Andrew Wilsonit as a religion then you have to have accountability right okay so I'll say a I'll say non- denominational yeah but it is a religion religion yes yeah and it's necessary

Andrew Wilsonthat you would hear to the rigorism of that religion so that you're accountable for the things that you do right I mean Jesus holds you accountable there's no people that are holding you account no no people can hold you accountable you know what righteous judgment is and

Andrew Wilsonthere's no reason that people can't hold people accountable who are Christians absurd to say that you can't right yeah yeah so all right I just wanted to get

Brian Atlasall that clarified appreciated longest relationship uh four years four years okay and so but you say you've been dating Jesus two years mhm there's

Brian Atlasthere's been no guys in the picture for that time period no no zero are so are you uh like do you consider yourself born born again Born Again mhm are you a

Aliciaborn virgin or is that uh definitely God restores everything so I do believe that he by his blood he covers all that he doesn't hold us he even forgets the sins

Brian Atlasthat we did from the past so so born again virgin yeah I just don't say that but yeah um so youve been have you have

Andrew Wilsonyou been celibate yes okay go ahead Andrew born again what now born again virgin right born again virgin let's go no I mean but your virginity most

Aliciacertainly was not intact right I'm sorry no of course yeah right so what does born again virgin mean it's just the sense that like he forgives all your sins from the past so he's not

Alicialooking at that he's looking at your heart there's people who can be virgins who are more promiscuous and their heart is can be dirtier than somebody who isn't he look got Jesus looks at the

Andrew Wilsonheart he doesn't look at that so okay no I'm sorry I'm still still confused what is a born again virgin I'm still confused as to

Andrew Wilsonwhat that is your virginity is something which is um which is given to you and you're supposed to keep intact with Chastity that can be removed based on choices that you make right but you're supposed to keep it you know chased until marriage that's the way it's

Andrew Wilsonsupposed to operate within the confines of Christianity you can be born again uh I understand what you're saying there that makes sense to me but I don't understand what a born- again virgin is that doesn't make sense to me because a

Alicialot of the things like you think of are more carnally like this we're talking spiritually it's a lot of things that you can't we can't understand but it's not a term that I go around telling anybody it's more of just like yeah I

Andrew Wilsonunderstand that you may not tell people that but you would consider yourself that is that right mhm yes yeah so if you consider yourself that whether you tell people that or not that is still something that you consider to be a true

Britney Delamorastatement what is it I don't I don't really understand chance at life it's a second chance at life that's what it is I did the same thing I was very promiscuous I was in were you also a born again virgin I mean I waited to

Britney Delamorahave sex until my wedding day once I became a Christian so I mean I never said I'm a born again virgin that doesn't answer the question no I didn't say that I was a born again virgin I

Britney Delamorasaid that um you know when when I became a Christian it was a second chance to do things the right way and God that I would be the first one who would say

Andrew Wilsonthat of course um that you know nobody's perfect and after conversion you should adhere to the rigorism of Christianity absolutely I agree with that but that doesn't answer my question as to what

Britney Delamorathe hell of born again virgin is heard that on the show Second Chance Of Life H hang on hang on hang on hang on let me finish I've heard it on the show about a hundred times and I've never actually heard a good answer for what it is

Britney DelamoraMHM I mean it's not an actual term that you would even say I mean I think he asked it and she just kind of agreed to it clearly I was not a virgin when I got married on my wedding night but I was

Britney Delamorapracticing sexual Purity from the time I became a Christian so I was celibate for three years until my husband and I got married and our first time was on our wedding night so we we followed the

Britney Delamorateachings of Jesus because it was important to us to honor our body and to honor our testimony so born again virgin is that an actual thing no but you know you get a second chance at life to do things right so you can kind of look at

Britney Delamorayourself as like wow I have a fresh slate like God's mercies are new each and every single morning and today I'm choosing the path of celibacy am I a virgin no but I'm practicing celibacy

Andrew Wilsonuntil my wedding night moving forward then born again and you would say then in your estimation that when uh women say they're born again virgins that it's actually [ __ ] they're not born again virgins that doesn't mean anything it's

Britney Delamorajust nonsense designed for some type of um you know Puritan push essentially right yeah I would just say something that makes them feel better to say hey I'm a born again

Britney Delamoravirgin when in all actuality it's just a second chance at doing things right everything's renewed your mind all right I'm glad thank you for clarifying that appreciate the body is renewed

Andrew Wilsoneverything like God renews the locuses that they did he renew your Heyman I do believe Jesus well I mean look J can do mirac I'm not trying to be

Andrew Wilsonmean I'm just saying I want you every day and my body doesn't need it anymore try to understand the absurdity of what's being said here right God did not renew your Heyman that did not

Andrew Wilsonhappened your virginity was not put back into your body that was gone this born again the Born Again virginity thing is nonsensical false Doctrine and I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow where the hell it comes from and I've never really heard it explained so just saying it it's it's somewhat frustrating for me to uh to listen to because I never really get a good explanation for it and I wish that women

Andrew Wilsonwould stop using it it seems to me like it's a form of py signaling like oh no I'm pure now and it's like no wait a second let's back up a little bit here uh like you said Christianity is a process we call that theosis in

Andrew WilsonOrthodoxy you agree it's a process but you you suddenly you don't suddenly get your virginity back because you um because you were baptized that's that's Insanity right yeah you don't get your virginity back but you do get your

Britney DelamoraPurity back so I like to say that what God's restoration looks like is he'll take you back to the place before you ever knew what pain was when you were like a 2-year-old Child Full Of Love full of joy full of faith believing that

Britney Delamorayou can have whatever and do whatever God takes you back to that place before you knew what it was like to be rejected before you knew what it was like to be stepped on um walked out on God renews

Britney Delamorayour Purity Purity is a heart thing it's not actually a physical thing and that's exactly why Jesus would would talk to the Pharisees and he told them you guys are so focused on cleaning the outside of the cup you should clean the inside

Britney Delamoraof the cup right so it's like Purity is something that God can give you back virginity is not yeah what when you say Purity though do you think that just getting baptized

Britney Delamorameans that you have your Purity back whatever whatever that means it's a process of sanctification so like when I first became a Christian you know I showed up to church you know wearing runchy clothing taking drugs all the

Britney Delamorathings you know God started little by little to peel back layers right and he rested at that time uh I had gotten baptized actually when I was in the porn industry not understanding the fullness

Britney Delamoraof what I was doing I when I left porn you got baptized when you were in the I had a so I had a pimp who was like you know claiming yeah claiming to be a Christian and I told him one day that I

Britney Delamorathought that I was possessed by the devil and so he took me to a church and I ended up getting baptized uh but I was still your pimp wait hang on let me hang

Britney Delamoraon your pimp took you to church to baptize out the demons is that is that right I know right crazy yeah that's exactly what happened but I did feel

Britney Delamoralike refreshed and renewed and I started actually hearing the voice of God little by little right it was the voice of God that led me away from the pimp and so forth so um yeah but like I said it's

Britney Delamorathe word purity in itself means to be uncontaminated so when I say you don't get your virginity back you can get your Purity back because God will take your heart back to a place where it is is uncontaminated it is pure you're free

Andrew Wilsonfrom you know the when so when you're pimp it took you down and you got baptized and he takes you out um and then you go and you have sex again with a guy for money right assume that you must have done that cuz you had a pimp

Britney Delamorauh what happened to your Purity was your was it negated out no I mean honestly back then I didn't even know the term Purity and I wouldn't have considered myself pure I feel like I was very

Britney Delamoracontaminated um I was you know riddled with depressions uh intrusive thoughts and so forth and so um I was very envious I was a very mean girl like I

Britney Delamorawas definitely not uncontaminated so I was I wouldn't have considered myself pure to be very honest okay did you get baptized a second time

Britney DelamoraI did yeah so I started going uh to church uh what was this December of 2012 I surrendered my life to the Lord in February what that means was by December

Britney Delamorato February God had told me to flushed my drugs down the toilet I did it um he miraculously healed me of drug addiction um and then he really started working on my heart I decided to take an entire

Britney Delamorayear off of dating because men were my weakness um and I just started seeking God every day through prayer worship reading the Bible and he really transformed My Life um and I I like I said I took that year off dating and

Andrew Wilsonthat was a really Monumental like a healing a very healing year for me would you have quit your uh porn career even if you had not gotten baptized by your

Britney Delamorapimp so I I mean I don't know I did porn for about 3 years after that but I had been given a Bible at church and so how this happened was I felt the Holy Spirit one day tell me to leave my pimp um he

Britney Delamoraguided me to call my mom she came rescued me help me the Holy Spirit told you to leave your pimp yeah absolutely Absol how that sound what what's that how did that sound when the Holy Spirit so I had this impression in my heart

Britney Delamorawhere you know we we were in a fight and I felt God say Britney you need to leave him and I'm like what am I going to do I don't have anyone to call and he said call your mom at that time in my life uh we had a very like estranged

Britney Delamorarelationship now she's one of my closest friends but at that time like we didn't get along I'm like I can't call her and the Holy Spirit just said Britney humble yourself and call your mom and so I did just that I called her and she came

Britney Delamorapicked me up helped me to get away from him uh then I had to go film porn am I allowed to say porn right because uh that's the only thing I knew how to do so before I for the for the airport I

Britney Delamorafelt again the Holy Spirit say bring your Bible so I'm on the airplane I'm reading my Bible Revelation chap 2 vers 20 through 23 and this particular verse really stood out to me it says uh I have

Britney Delamorathis thing against you you tolerate that woman named Jezebel I have given her time to repent if she doesn't repent I will cast her and her children into a sick bed along with well let me um let me ask you this too right uh I didn't I

Andrew Wilsondidn't mean to cut you off but there's there's like like only so much we can go before we can have a a good back and forth exchange um let's assume for a second that somebody came to you tomorrow and they were like the Holy

Andrew WilsonSpirit told me that you're not redeemed and that uh your prostitution bars you from I I don't know what whatever it is how would you make the determination that they're wrong if they think the holy spirit's talking to them and you

Britney Delamorathink the holy spirit's talking to you yeah because the Bible says that I am redeemed because I've been bought with the blood of Jesus right his sa how you interpret you can only ex the Bible if you have the Holy Spirit right right

Andrew Wilsonwell some people may okay so if somebody exes the Bible and claims that they have the holy spirit inside of them and so to you how do you make the determination as to who is Right honestly some people are demonized and if it's not aligned with the word of God then I would just

Britney Delamoraclearly tell them I'm sorry you're not hearing from God I've had somebody how you know what the word of God is if you're both exegeting and you both claim that you have the Holy Spirit you read the Bible I read the Bible every single day every single day before I go to bed

Britney DelamoraI read it in the morning I read the Bible daily I love the word of God it has transformed my life it's renewed my mind it's made me a whole new creation like I'm in love I get I get it but listen listen to what I'm asking you

Andrew Wilsonright super important when you read the Bible you're exegeting the text right right okay in order to Exige the text you have to have be filled with the Holy

Andrew WilsonSpirit correct sure is that right I me yeah sure okay so what if you have two of you Protestant Christians who were both exting the text and you both come to

Aliciadifferent conclusions how do you know which one of you is Right final thought from both of you on this go ahead honest the Bible is very clear um you're kind of making your question isn't really if

Aliciait's not aligned with the Bible it doesn't matter what man says man will always talk but you know personally with the Holy Spirit like she said it personally was to her um and if it

Aliciadoesn't align with the Bible simple enough it's not from God it's not that complicated yeah okay well I'll let I'll let it go cuz we have to move on but I just want to let you both know that you didn't answer the question at all but

Nataliaanyway I I do appreciate the engagement relationship status single all right for how long since like

Brian AtlasAugust eight months yeah yeah eight months okay longest relationship about like a year one year and was that your

Brian Atlaslast relationship the one that ended 8 months ago yeah like yeah yeah like

Nataliayeah yeah uh why did it why did that end um well I'm from Seattle so he was still uh like a year younger so like I'm moving he's still in Washington right

NataliaI'm too young to do like long distance like I'm freshly 18 yeah well so you're moving away for college correct okay okay what about you

Britney Delamorauh I am married and I've been with my husband we've been married for eight years together for 10 and that's my longest relationship years together for 10 okay what about you longest

Sunnyrelationship is 7 years and I'm married um and I have a beautiful daughter and currently pregnant with another one currently pregnant super excit how far

Background/Production Voicealong 12 weeks are you all right there you go this is your big announcement Sur and you said you I'm sorry did you say you were pregnant yep oh well

Brian Atlascongratulations thanks you're not far enough along to know if it's a boy or a girl yet uh we have to wait till week 20 to do that yeah whatever gender reveal party is coming soon uh you you said

Sunnyyou've been married how long uh so we got married this uh past fall in 2023 and uh we've been together for five years all right got it cool Andrew what

Andrew Wilsonabout you uh yeah I've been married for over a decade um that's my relationship status

Brian Atlasand uh yeah that's uh that's it all right rock and roll so where do we get started here where do we get started I I

Andrew WilsonI know where to get started I know where if you want right I would like to I mean I heard this usually this is the part where Brian asks if there's anybody on the podcast who has any disagreements with any of the things which are said on

Andrew Wilsonthe show which I'd like to hear the answer to but I have a disagreement that I'd like to air on the show about this female Pastor thing where where did you get where is the idea that women can be ordained as female pastors come from

Britney Delamorayeah I mean personally I I told you I don't call myself a pastor I'm not pastoring I lead connect groups online with women um and I am leading over

Britney Delamorawomen I consider myself more of like a spiritual mother to many beautiful daughters oh should women uh be

Britney Delamorapastors I mean I know there's that's a very uh debatable question uh it can women be pastors I mean there are many women

Andrew Wilsonpastors who are under the covering of a male pastor and so in many churches that is acceptable yeah that that's not my question should from your worldview

Britney Delamorashould there be female pastors or not uh I think there is a wonderful need and a huge blessing for women to be pastors uh

Britney Delamoraover other women should they be Leading Men I mean I don't I don't know like I'm not going to comment on that that's very debatable would they be equal these

Andrew Wilsonfemale pastors who had dominion over women would they be equal to the male Pastors in what way in the way that they're equal would they have any Dominion or would they need to always

Britney Delamoraadhere to the male authority of the Church oh I mean typically like the way that it works is the male the I mean the husband and the wife would be the senior pastors of the church the male is the leader of their household that's not

Andrew Wilsontypically the way it works what's that that's not typically the way it works that husbands and wives are both leaders of churches it's not typically the way it works at all well but it it does

Andrew Wilsonhappen along amongst many churches in America so can I ask a question yeah it does happen in many churches in America I'm not disputing that but what I'm getting at is whether or not this is good Doctrine and if you believe that

Andrew Wilsonwomen should be pastors and it sounds like you do but then you should only have dominion over women I have still should mean that they ad to the church authority of men correct what's

Britney Delamoraup what you say okay so so to repeat this you believe that there should be female pastors yes I think that they can

Britney Delamorabe a wonderful blessing to to many people yes absolutely so then yes mhm okay so do should they have only

Britney Delamoradominion over women right I mean that kind of depends on how you look at it because there are pastors who will preach to the congregation and there happens to be men involved it doesn't

Britney Delamoramean that they have dominion over the man but if the if the senior pastor of the church is allowing the woman Pastor to preach then so be it you know I've

Andrew Wilsonshared sit down in church wait wait where aren't women supposed to sit down in church and obey the ecclesiastical hierarchical authority of the church which is male I mean Jesus used too on

Britney Delamorathis J us let's look at the woman at the well right she didn't she wasn't a pastor but when Jesus Chang one had to give Jesus a drink of water cuz he told her to absolutely that woman went on to

Britney Delamorabe a an evangelist to the Nations I mean she went and evangelized the gospel and what Jesus had done in her life um and so Jesus church how about Mary Magdalene

Britney Delamorawhen when Jesus uh when Jesus showed himself to Mary after the resurrection and then she had to go and relay the message to men so Jesus didn't Jesus is what church was she the head of she

Andrew Wilsonwasn't the head of a church but my she wasn't the head of a church you're you're you're you're making a word concept fallacy where you believe that because women are allowed to evangelize the word and shoot down the arguments against the word that that means that

Britney Delamorathey can have some type of authority in the church and that's insane but if you look at it theologically when Paul I know what you're referring to and when that statement was made theologically

Britney Delamorathere were women in Ephesus uh who were disorderly they you have to keep in mind women were not allowed to read they didn't know how to read back then and so how are nobody knew how to read back

Andrew Wilsonthen how are they to teach the word of God if they can't read the word of God nobody knew how to read back then what does that have to do with anything what do you mean nobody knew how to read people nobody knew how to read was a completely illiterate population

Britney Delamoraeverywhere very few people knew how to clearly knew how to read I mean he didn't write the whole Bible but he wrote many many stories in the Bible you realiz that Christianity was practiced

Britney Delamorabefore there was a Bible right of course because there was there was the previous writings of the Old Testament what that sorry there were

Brian Atlaswritings of the Old Testament and that's exactly what Jesus read read from when yo Jim thank you for the gift to 20 memberships uh guys we're going to move

Brian Atlason from that um we're going to move on but that was uh that was good appreciate it guys um is uh chat can you answer

Brian Atlasthis is Andrew's audio a little low is the audio a little low for Andrew Nick what's the audio set to is it at

Brian Atlas100 yeah okay um I think it's fine um anyways so Andrew was saying start off the show typically if

Brian Atlasanybody disagrees with anything for those of you who've seen the show before if you've seen Clips anything you disagree with why don't we start there anything from anybody going ons gone

Brian Atlastwice okay first question all right here's a dating scenario right let's say you were dating a guy how would you feel if you're dating a guy he wants to take

Brian Atlasyou to Hawaii he's going to pay for the whole trip Hotel food airfare everything the only caveat is he wants to fly first class but he's going to put you in

Peytoneconomy is that a problem take economy hold on hold on hold on I'll start with you we'll start with you we'll go around the table go ahead I mean I guess it really is situation situational um I mean just off the bat like first thought

Peytonlike sure I would take economy like we're going to Hawaii like all this is paid for like of course I'm not going to be like no I need first class but it just it is a situ it is a situational

Brian Atlasthing um but yeah like I well I just I outlined the situation yeah um so he's going to be in first class you won't be sitting together for the entire what s

Brian Atlasto eight hour flight uh but he's paying for everything he's paying for flight hotel Etc but he's taking first class you know maybe he's got he wants to you know lay down he's got back problems

Peytonneck problems you know yeah from your scenario you gave like I would have absolutely no problem with that but if there's another Factor like he just doesn't want me in first class for whatever reason then I think there could

Vesperbe he's trying to save money I guess maybe I mean that's fine but he gets first class I think that's okay okay what about you I would ask him to put me in first class or I don't think that I

Brian Atlaswould go H so again he's paying for everything he'll pay for your ticket Hotel food while you're there entertainment but if he doesn't put you in first class now it's not the first Class part it's the

Nataliait being separate part so so if he downgraded to economy I would be fine with that that'd be fine yeah yeah yeah okay I don't think I would be with someone who doesn't want to sit on a 7h hour flight with me yeah regardless of

Brian Atlaswhere no it's not that he doesn't want to sit with you he just wants the comfort of being in first class without meh of course yeah not be well

Brian Atlasyeah um I'd be a little upset I think you'd be upset is this like a break up upset yeah so hold on just to be clear the guy who's going to pay for your

Brian Atlasflight to Hawaii your hotel your food you'd be fine with the situation if he was also sitting with you in economy but because he wants a bit more Comfort

Nataliawhile he's flying but he can't afford he can't afford to pay for first class for both of you that's if it's just about like affording I guess that's different

Nataliayeah let's say it's a foring let's say it's a okay um yeah so I'd appreciate it in like everything he's doing so yeah he can sit in first class but I'd be a little hurt I think you'd still you'd

Andrew Wilsonstill be hurt I'd be I'd be hurt yeah interesting okay what about you what if it's not affording what if it's not affording and he just really wants to fly first class and just doesn't feel the need to buy you first class seed he can afford it in fact let's say he can

Andrew Wilsonafford 80 million first class seats just doesn't want to get one for you for whatever reason why would I want to be with someone like that what what about that actually hurts your feelings but why would I want to be with someone who

Andrew Wilsondoesn't want sit next to me on a flight well I mean why why why would that be a big deal you don't think that's odd yeah so

Andrew Wilsonweird I mean no if he's dating you right he's paying for you to fly all over Hill's Halfacre and he's Tak you know he's taking all these expenses uh why why why if he wants to sit in first

Andrew Wilsonclass uh or let's just say this let's just say it was the final seat in first class and and he was like well that one's mine and and so he grabs it and

Crystalyou got the economy seat right you going to be upset yeah no he can have it yeah okay he can have the last one for sure

Crystalwhat about you okay so if it was the money thing I would be okay with um sitting in the economy

Crystalseat um but it was just because he didn't want to sitti with me I would be sad about that but if it was like the money thing I would be like oh can I pay

Aliciathe difference so I can s with you or something you know yeah so I think we boasted economy and

Aliciabecause if he's my guy for me I need my love you know is spending time with one another and obviously on a long trip that if he's not into that then we're

Brian Atlasprobably not compatible well hold on so let's say the reason is he uh he wants to fly first class not to get away from you but because he

Brian Atlasneeds the the layback seats because he has a he has back pain oh that's fine because I'm a boxer and I have back pain so I get it like that's different

Brian Atlascompletely okay yes but if you're still in economy so he takes first class you're an economy yeah he has back pain okay but I also have back pain so hopefully he will let me sit first okay

Nataliaall right what about you my back matter I would be weirded out like Just sh off the bat like like why can't we both just sit like you know Comfort class like you know we can yeah meet in the middle yeah meet in the

Nataliamiddle you know what I'm saying like I feel like it's a 7-hour flight Hawai is you know not a quick flight so I'm kind of like confused what are you confused about what because I'm confused why he wouldn't want to sit with me for that

Natalialong he's got and the whole time like back I think for a lot of girls though too like the whole time you would okay but the whole time like you're on your way this is our first trip you said that's the scenario our first trip it doesn't have to be the first trip but um

Nataliasure okay well I would be stressed out I'd be like oh my God this is a sign like after this this is over you know what I mean I'd be stressed out cuz I'm sitting by myself and he's not like reassuring me cuz we're not together so I'd be like

Nataliahe's going to abandon me or like kill me in Hawaii what I don't know that'd be like what my mind would go to I'm alive me okay interesting what about

Britney Delamorayou I'm married so I wouldn't have that issue and my husband is a gentleman he would never have done that to me yeah I think it's not gentlemanly yeah it's not just to be clear he's he's offering to

Britney Delamoratake you on a flight to Hawaii at his expense pay for everything while there but it's not gentlemanly to no to leave your to leave your lady in the back absolutely not I can understand if he's

Britney Delamoralike had a bad back and had surgery and it's love like I really like I really can't afford but like I need this because my back like I can I can get that so when she's saying situational I

Britney Delamoraunderstand that I would work with that but if it's just like I'm paying for the whole trip and I'm going to be comfortable and you're not and you're in a relationship then absolutely not that's so weird but what's the okay but

Britney Delamorayou you wouldn't object if you were both sitting in economy right because you're sitting together right you like when you're in a relationship you're agreeing to like do life together I don't know my husband would never do something like

Brian Atlasthat to me that's just such an odd situation what if he there's two scenarios there's two scenarios so there's two there's two scenarios where this could occur right there's the

Brian Atlasaffordability um and he can only afford one first class seat and then secondly there's some reason for him needing to be in first class for example he's got he needs to lay down because he's got

Brian Atlasback pain or something like that um yeah would I do that yes I would I absolutely what is somebody who does this has uh neck pain chronic pain back

Brian Atlaspain yeah I would do it I would do it back in economy you go I'll see you at the end of the flight

Natalialater are you single huh are you sing are you sing I think I think that's valid I think that's super valid what about like affording the entire trip but

Nataliahe can't afford like another first class SE it's like let's say at like a three star hotel so I can sit like first class with you I think you're overthinking it maybe a little bit maybe okay fair I see

Sunnywhere you're at though yeah right huh okay so I guess to clarify um originally it was like if you're dating now I think a lot of people have

Sunnydifferent terminologies nowadays on seeing dating whatever for me dating is like that's not my boyfriend that's someone who I'm just figuring out and they're like hey you know let's just

Sunnyassume it's your boyfriend let's make it's it's your boy so boyfriend's got back problems geriatric issues okay that's fine um for me it comes to mind like that whole Farmer in the field hiring workers right and he's like I'll

Sunnypay you $200 to work in the field for an entire day they're like sweet dope let's do it another person gets hired I'll pay you $200 a day to work six hours and then they all get paid $200 a day and then the last guy only works an hour and

Sunnywhen they all see like I worked here all day and I only got $200 he's worked here one hour and he got $200 how is that fair and at the end of it it's like you know what you're getting a free trip

Sunnyright and if you cannot contribute to cuz that's the thing it's like is there a way we can contribute that you said like can I pay my way an upgrade to that first like ticket right so for me I just

Sunnylook it that way I'm getting all of this I'm not going to be upset because you happen to have a nicer seat with a bad back like I'm just grateful so that's how I see that that's good

Andrew Wilsonyeah interesting okay um Andrew any thoughts on that one I mean I just heard a lot of me me me me me I'm just just saying that I

Andrew Wilsonheard a lot of that but I won't I won't belabor the point I'm not sure that um I'm not sure it's worth really tangling on but uh I I just heard a lot of me me me that's all that's how I'm just going to point that out not saying that it

Brian Atlasmeans anything necessarily but I did hear a lot of me not a lot of him inter just just pointing it out oh couple questions here um and moving off moving

Brian Atlasoff to uh something else uh so you were on Naked and Afraid uh but did you've been dating your boyfriend for 5 years um yep and we were were you married at

Brian Atlasthe time you were on the show or not yet we were engaged engaged did he have any issues with you like okay I'm going to go on the show I'm going to be nude with in front of cameras and on TV and in

Sunnyfront of another men or other the the film crew was there any conflict there in the relationship no we were already fans of the show so he understands that the premise is not sexual in any way it

Sunnywould be the same as me going into my medical field and looking at somebody's naked body there's just a level of professionalism um he actually cancelled our alotment and said that I was going hang

Andrew Wilsonon hang on back up back up in what way would that be like being in the medical field and looking at someone's naked body because you were giving them you know life-saving treatments where you would have to have their clothes off in

Sunnyorder to get access to that I don't understand that so if I have to assess somebody for like if I'm doing Hands-On back in in the day where I'm having to assess for broken bones I'm palpating or I'm touching somebody there's a lot of

Sunnyfields where even if you're looking at somebody like a tattoo we'll take it down to notch a tattoo artist right sometimes they're being exposed to skin it is not sexual because it is a

Andrew Wilsonprofession that has nothing to do with that niche in this survival yeah but I mean would your husband let you tattoo a guy's dick I personally wouldn't do that but well right that's the point then

Andrew Wilsonit's a bad analogy right if you say a tattoo artist uh has to you know look at the nether regions of people uh because that's part of their profession I'm sure your husband would not let you tattoo a

Sunnywoman's name on a guy's penis right well that's okay I understand the way you're trying to take this and I appreciate that because this is a good conversation for the sake of the show a lot of people

Sunnydon't know what the survival Community is this is going back to National Geographic pure primitive survival now if we can make clothes if we can do any

Sunnyof that that's what we're going to try to do but at this point we are doing our best not to get bitten by snakes there's over 300 different species that are poisonous out there we have Cay and

Sunnycrocodiles for us every step we take is at that point could be a very dangerous situation so when I say this is not sexual we are so covered in bug bites

Sunnythat like my partner's toes disappeared and he went into like a one and a half day fever because he was so anaphylactic to those bug bites like this is

Andrew Wilsonsomething that have you um have you ever heard of a guy named Rob wolf sorry say that again Rob wolf have you ever heard of him I haven't no he's uh he basically

Andrew Wilsonstarted the kind of Paleolithic uh diet movement he was on a reality TV show years ago he's a friend of mine very nice man um and he actually

Andrew Wilsonran down an elk I believe I think it was an elk with an ADL he was the first person to kill one of those animals with an ad lle in like I don't know I like

Sunny500 years or some [ __ ] like that I don't remember him being naked though yeah that's because he's not going back to the most vulnerable mental game there is that's hunting so like Matt Graham is

Sunnyanother famous primitive survivalist and he will be naked until he gets a loin cloth from the animals he hunts with an ATL which ladies that's a a special like spear device with an extension on it um

Brian Atlasit comes from like kind of like a more African primitive uh hunting couldn't they do the show though with like they could do the exact same show without the naked component right it's

Sunnykind of gimmick it's kind of the gimmick the the point is it's edited so it is blurred out so it's not the fact that I'm doing a show for you guys to see me

Sunnynaked that's not what this is about and I think in Western culture we are so we make everything that's sexual fetish that we just can't wrap our minds around the fact that you can go out into the

SunnyColombian jungle and be stripped of every modern-day Comfort the fact is like every step you take is dangerous because you don't have the clothing and the protection there we don't have shoes we don't have the Comfort like when it's

Sunnypouring a monsoon rain and we're in a hypothermic State we don't have that protection of shelter from our clothing the point is you want to mentally tap out and you want to quit and it's only

Sunnyyour mental game until you're there day by day finding a resource to make yourself warm finding a resource so like at night I had to go pick straw for like two hours make sure there's no ticks in it and that's what I had to make into my

Sunnysleeping mattress like every night to try to maintain that body heat while putting Hot Rocks in there so it's like I wish you would take the time to watch National Geographic a little bit more

Sunnylook into Old primitive Technologies and tribal relationships because there's still a lot of tribes that today are naked the hunters the only thing they use is a string and they do a special little roll and that string ties around their waist and that's their only

Sunnyprotection when they're running to that jungle after those monkeys it's again not sexual it's a tribal primitive survival why are they running after the monkeys I love monkeys well because they

Sunnyeat them so they they make a a special toxin out of these frogs and they use blow darts but the only thing that they do besides being purely nude no shoes nothing is that they just roll their

Sunnymanly hood and so it stays up and then that way it doesn't get caught on things when they're jumping over branches or jumping over those Palm th thorns and things like that well so okay bringing it back to dating though it didn't

Sunnypresent any issues for for your relationship no because we again we know what the community is we are already huge fans of the show and originally I actually declined the show uh because of the date we were going to get eloped on

Sunnya Mountaintop we were going to rent a helicopter it was going to be on Vancouver Island and um it fell right in between both of the recording times and we had intentions of having another

TTS Donation Readerchild so I told them I'm sorry I can't do it on Brian L ab's roast beef donated $200 question for the ladies would you

TTS Donation Readerdate a man who did not identify himself as a feminist if so why not okay uh we'll go around on that um starting with you go ahead um I don't

PeytonI don't really have a comment on that I'm actually not really sure what you're not sure

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