Andrew Wilson! DRAMA! Bratty Gamer Girl?! E-GIRLS! Born Again VlRGlN?! | Dating Talk #150

Date: 2024-04-08

Duration: 6h 25m

Guests

Brian Atlas

PPeyton (DT150)>

VVesper (DT150)>

CCrystal (DT150)>

AAlicia (DT150)>

NNatalia (DT150)>

BBritney Delamora >

SSunny (DT150)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Background Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS/Background Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_02Britney Delamora(guest)

SPEAKER_03Sunny(guest)

SPEAKER_04Vesper(guest)

SPEAKER_05Natalia(guest)

SPEAKER_06Peyton(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Crystal(guest)

SPEAKER_14Alicia(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces the panel; guests include stripper Vesper (24, Dallas), medical student Peyton (19, Rancho Cucamonga), Crystal (29, LA stripper), Alicia/Megan (34, Air Force vet / boxer / born-again Christian), Natalia (almost 19, Seattle), Britney Delamora (37, ministry founder / former porn actress), Sunny (34, Canadian, Naked and Afraid, 12 weeks pregnant), and returning guest Andrew Wilson (host of The Crucible).

“"without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name"”

QuoteBritney Delamora reveals she was in the adult film industry for 7 years and has been out for 12 years; she now runs a ministry helping porn-addicted people and ex-industry workers.

“"I was in the adult film industry for seven years of my life... I've been out for 12 years"”

QuoteSunny announces she appeared on Naked and Afraid (Discovery Channel), filmed in the Colombian jungle for 21 days, as one of only 6 Canadians to complete the challenge. Episode aired March 17, 2024.

“"I am a survivalist for Discovery Channel known as Naked and Afraid so only six Canadians have ever completed that challenge"”

QuoteAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible, described as fastest-growing debate channel on the internet; returns to Whatever Podcast.

“"my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible fastest growing debate channel"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges the concept of born-again virginity as "nonsensical false doctrine," arguing that virginity is physically gone and cannot be spiritually restored. Extended debate with Alicia and Britney Delamora over purity vs. virginity, and whether Christianity is a religion or a relationship.

“"born again virgin... that doesn't make sense to me... your virginity was not put back into your body"”

ControversyBritney Delamora clarifies the born-again virgin concept: purity (a heart condition) is restorable by God; physical virginity is not. Calls it "a second chance at doing things right."

“"virginity is not yeah what... God can give you back virginity is not"”

QuoteBritney Delamora reveals she was baptized by her pimp (who claimed to be Christian) while still in the porn industry, and then felt the Holy Spirit tell her to leave her pimp and call her mother.

“"your pimp took you to church to baptize out the demons is that right"”

OtherSunny announces she is 12 weeks pregnant with her second child; married in fall 2023; gender reveal planned at week 20.

“"I'm currently pregnant with another one currently pregnant super excited... 12 weeks"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson opens debate on female pastors, citing Paul's epistles; challenges Britney Delamora on whether women should have pastoral authority over men. Brian cuts off the extended theological argument to move on.

“"where is the idea that women can be ordained as female pastors come from"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges Alicia on keeping provocative photos on Instagram while claiming born-again Christianity. Asks repeatedly what stops her from deleting them. Alicia says she was re-baptized only 3 weeks prior and it is a process. Andrew references Satan wanting the photos up. Alicia calls Andrew a Pharisee.

“"what is actually stopping you if you believe that it's wrong... from right this second deleting them"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues parents should disown adult children for doing OnlyFans or porn. Britney strongly disagrees: many women in sex work got there due to family dysfunction; removal of love is counterproductive. Panel mostly disagrees with Andrew.

“"parents should disown their adult children for doing only fans or porn which you disagree with"”

OtherDating profile review segment: Natalia's Bumble profile (musical reference flagged by panel; Hennessy comment flagged by chat). Peyton's profile (no kids, atheist, liberal, weed). Chat votes mostly no-swipe on Natalia. Discussion of who is on birth control.

“"we're going to do the dating profile review segment"”

OtherSelf-ratings round: Brian reads viewer request. Alicia: 9-10 (Jesus's eyes). Peyton: 6. Crystal: 7. Britney: 7 (was 10 at 27). Sunny: 5 to 5.5. Andrew Wilson: 20-25-30 (joking). Andrew criticizes Britney's self-rating as delusional; praises Sunny's honesty.

“"Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10 starting with you"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson criticizes Britney Delamora's self-rating of 7-8 as delusional, calling it an example of cognitive dissonance he observes all night. Britney responds that she is a 10 to her husband and she is not on the market. Sunny diplomatically avoids directly calling others delusional.

“"there's no fucking universe in which you are an eight"”

QuoteBrian shares he was cheated out of Perdition's Blade in Molten Core (WoW classic) by Loot Council; nearly quit the guild on the spot.

“"I was in a guild I got screwed over on perdition's blade... this other Rogue already had two purple daggers"”

OtherBody count round: Alicia = 0, Peyton = 10, Vesper = 20, Crystal = around 12, Natalia = declined, Britney = ~200+ scenes. Andrew Wilson presses unnamed guests on accuracy of "a lot." Britney clarifies she had a yes-list of ~8 regular men for most of career.

“"what's your body count starting with you"”

ControversyBowing discussion: Brian asks if women would bow to their man. Most female guests decline. Andrew and Brian argue hypocrisy: women refuse a bow but accept degrading sexual acts. Britney would bow lovingly to husband (not in worship). Sunny references Filipino mano po cultural bow.

“"would you bow if you were dating a guy and he's like I'd really appreciate a bow"”

OtherEnd of show: Brian raids WowGrandma78 (82yo WoW retail streamer) on Twitch; secondary Twitch raid to FrostAdamus. Andrew Wilson redirects YouTube viewers to The Crucible channel.

“"we are going to do a twitch raid... WowGrandma78 she's 82 she plays World of Warcraft"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Notable: Britney Delamora reveals ministry background and former porn career. Sunny announces 12-week pregnancy on show. Andrew Wilson returns as guest debater. Alicia reveals Air Force background, celebrity boxing (Blac Chyna fight), and born-again Christianity.

Relationship status round

Brian goes around table for relationship status and relationship history. Vesper: engaged, fiance 17 years older (age 41). Alicia: celibate since March 2022, dating Jesus. Britney: married 8 years / together 10. Sunny: married fall 2023; 12 weeks pregnant. Extended debate on born-again virginity between Andrew Wilson, Alicia, and Britney. Andrew calls the concept "nonsensical false doctrine." Britney clarifies purity vs virginity.

Born-again virginity debate

Andrew Wilson challenges Alicia and Britney on the concept of born-again virginity. Andrew: virginity is physically gone and cannot be spiritually restored. Alicia: it is spiritual purity, not physical; God restores what was taken. Britney: clarifies purity (a heart condition) is restorable; virginity (physical) is not. Debate extends into whether Christianity is a religion or a relationship, denominational accountability, and how to adjudicate competing Holy Spirit claims.

Female pastors debate

Andrew Wilson asks where the idea of female pastors comes from; cites Pauline epistles. Britney: was ordained but does not call herself pastor; leads connect groups for women. Believes women can pastor over women under male authority. Andrew: women should not have ecclesiastical authority over men per scripture. Debate includes women evangelists (woman at the well, Mary Magdalene) vs. pastoral role. Britney references illiteracy in early church context for Pauline "women be silent" passages.

Hawaii first class / economy scenario

Brian poses scenario: boyfriend pays for Hawaii trip but takes first class while putting girlfriend in economy. Most guests find it problematic unless he has a legitimate reason (back pain, affordability). All say they would be fine if both were in economy together. Andrew Wilson: if he can pay for the whole trip, sitting apart in first class is reasonable. Vesper: bothered; would be "stressed out" reading it as a sign he might abandon her. Natalia: wants to meet in the middle (comfort class). Sunny: totally fine if legitimate reason (back pain); grateful for the trip overall.

Christianity debate: religion vs. relationship / Instagram photos

Andrew Wilson challenges Alicia on having provocative photos on Instagram while claiming Christian faith. Andrew: asks what is stopping her from deleting photos she admits are inappropriate. Alicia: recently re-baptized (3 weeks ago); it is a process; God convicts over time. Britney: agrees it is a process; she transitioned out over years. Andrew accuses Alicia of having no good excuse for delay. Andrew references the Paradox of Declining Female Happiness — women everywhere are miserable due to exported Western feminist ideology. Alicia calls Andrew a Pharisee.

Would you date a feminist / feminist definition

Brian asks who would date a man who does not identify as a feminist. Most say yes they would date a non-feminist man. Alicia: man should be masculine; society has pushed women into masculine roles due to emotional damage. Britney: if husband were a feminist they would not be married. Brief debate on what feminism means. Natalia: would be bothered by a man who is grossed out by feminism in front of her friends. Crystal: does not think identifying as feminist is necessary. Vesper: matching values matters; does not need a feminist partner.

Vesper Instagram / Twitter / OnlyFans review

Brian reads Vesper's social media bio: luxury house pet, bratty gamer girl, University Art ho, court jester. Discusses tweets: men deserve someone addicted to sex with them; obsessed with fat men (not a feeder); orange peel theory; "charge your man cash every time he disrespects you." Andrew asks about video game skill; Vesper says she is moderate, plays story/building games. Discussed BFA in Studio Arts (painting, ceramics).

Disowning children for sex work

Andrew Wilson says parents should disown adult children doing OnlyFans or porn. Panel debates. Peyton: understands disowning if it harms family reputation (medical field parents). Alicia: disagrees; her mother kept contact during addiction and kept her alive. Britney: strongly disagrees; women in sex work need family love most. Sunny: supports tough love but not disowning; parents should be honest. Vesper: nuanced; not all families are close; not automatic shame. Andrew: argues it is a legitimate response to protect family honor.

Dating profile review segment

Brian and panel review dating app profiles (Bumble) for Natalia and Peyton. Natalia profile: likes acting like a musical (panel warns to remove this); can finish a bottle of Hennessy (chat reacts negatively). Chat votes mostly swipe no on Natalia. Peyton profile: 5'6", no workouts, Pisces, does not want children, atheist, liberal, smokes weed socially. Discussion of whether Peyton has accidental celibacy. Brian asks who is on birth control (IUD, implant, hormonal). Sunny: pregnant (perfect birth control). Natalia: not on anything.

Peyton standards and requirements discussion

Brian probes Peyton on why she is single with high standards. Peyton: needs to be star-struck; is very picky. Standards: 6+ feet, goes to gym, muscular not bodybuilder, celebrity crush type Vinnie Hacker. Has been involuntarily celibate for over a year despite going out weekly (Santa Barbara). Andrew Wilson: women dating up are often passed over by men they want. Discussion of Peyton's picky nature vs. her Bumble inactivity.

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Brian reads viewer request to rate looks 1-10. Peyton: maybe 6. Alicia: 9 (then says 10 in Jesus's eyes). Crystal: 7. Britney: 7 (at 37 after 2 kids; was 10 at 27). Sunny: 5 to 5.5 (honest; scoliosis affects posture). Andrew Wilson: 20-25-30 (joking delusional answer); Andrew gives Sunny a solid 6. Andrew criticizes Britney's 7-8 as delusional by objective standards. Extended debate on objective vs. subjective beauty standards.

Women's happiness and feminism / Western ideology

Andrew Wilson presents Paradox of Declining Female Happiness research (Rachel Wilson Substack). Claims women are universally less happy than men across cultures and countries. Attributes this to feminist and Western ideology export causing women to forget "their place." Britney: has had 12 consecutive years of joy since becoming a Christian; attributes unhappy Christian women to insufficient daily practice (prayer, Bible). Alicia: happiness comes from Jesus regardless of external circumstances. Panel mostly agrees feminism has negative effects on female happiness.

WoW streamers dating discussion

Brian shows profiles of WoW streamers xQc, Asmongold, and Pokelawls. Asks if guests would date them. Most say no despite xQc's $100M deal. Peyton: would not date xQc (reminds her of Pete Davidson). Crystal: loot council (all about the money). Vesper: says she would be a feeder for them (joking). Brian laments that these millionaire gamers can't attract the panel.

Body count round

Brian asks body counts. Alicia/Megan: 0 (zero; celibate; did not do scenes with men on OnlyFans; not completely nude). Peyton: "two hands" (10). Vesper (implied via "Asia" reference): 20. Crystal: around 12. Natalia: no comment (declined, was called out by Andrew Wilson and Brian). Britney Delamora: approximately 200+ scenes; yes-list of ~8 regular male partners for most of career. Sunny: 2 hands (ambiguous; either ~10 or two partners). Andrew Wilson asks if "a lot" would be accurate for certain unnamed guests; pushes for honesty.

Bowing debate

Brian and Andrew ask if women would bow to their partner. Brian: just wants a bow; compares it to engagement ring tradition. Andrew: raises the point that women refuse simple acts of deference but accept degrading sexual acts. Britney: would bow in loving context to husband; not in worship context. Alicia: would bow if submissive but only to husband. Vesper: maybe if he bows back; would not if only she had to. Peyton: refuses; Natalia: stresses out trying to analyze gesture. Andrew: suggests curtsy as alternative. Sunny: references Filipino mano po (placing elder hand to forehead) as cultural bow equivalent. Brian references Exodus 20:5 (do not bow to idols) in the debate.

WoW streamer raid and closing

Brian raids WowGrandma78 (82-year-old WoW retail streamer) on Twitch; tells chat to be nice and tell her to come on the show. Secondary raid to FrostAdamus (also WoW player). Andrew Wilson redirects YouTube viewers to The Crucible channel. Brian discusses WoW guild loot systems with panel (Loot Council, DKP, Soft Reserve, etc.); shares personal story of being cheated on Perdition's Blade in Molten Core by Loot Council. Final bowing discussion: Andrew asks if women would bow to their man. Most decline (except Britney saying she would bow in love to husband). Brian compares refusing a bow to allowing more degrading sexual acts.

Transcript

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Peytonum would you date a man who did not identify as a feminist I mean I guess I guess it kind of depends on like who like our personal definition of

Peytonfeminism yeah so I'm not really sure what to speak well what's your definition uh textbook wise I canot give you one off the top of my head I can uh give you one that you might agree with

Andrew Wilsonokay let's just say the strive for men and women to live in an egalitarian and equal Society um

Peytonokay um I guess I wouldn't date a like I'm not saying he necessarily like has to be like like promote himself as a feminist I just mean like if he has the

Peytonsame views as like equal gender Society then yes that's kind of like the only they they would have to have those values in order so what if he was like a

Brian Atlasfeminist like the most staunch feminist and he's like yeah you know we got to equalize the draft like women got to get drafted in the military just like

Brian Atlasmen would you date him I mean it does depend just on how strong his beliefs are strong like very strong like he's like he's your name's uh Peyton right

Brian Atlasyes he's like Peyton I want to see you drafted in the military it's only fair it's only equal I'm a feminist then probably no no no you would but hold wait hold but I thought

Brian Atlasyou said you would date a feminist and striving for the equal Society egalitarianism it just depends on how like I guess it just depends on how

Peytonstrong and how much he implements his beliefs on other people like if he's telling me every day like I want you drafted in the military PID and every single day no every day then no I

Brian Atlaswouldn't no okay oh so but you you'd be fine with that position so long as he wasn't just badgering you about it I think if he respects like everyone else's Bel beliefs and opinions on that

Peytontopic sure I think that's okay and I think as long as he's not implementing his beliefs so harshly on me and like the people we're surrounded with I think that's also okay all right what if he's

Andrew Wilsona patriarch who who loes feminists and thinks that all of them suck but and like let's say he's very public about that he's like patriarchy is awesome

Andrew Wilsonfeminism [ __ ] sucks what about that guy is he is like that he's a noo noo noo okay okay going around the table would you date a man who did not

Vesperidentify himself as a feminist if so why not I would date a man who does not identify as a feminist I don't know

NataliaI he he is a feminist who who did not identify himself as a feminist as long as there's like a mutual respect for everyone I I don't think we need like a

Natalialabel like he's a feminist like if if he's like respectful towards all I'm okay with that okay yeah but but what is that this is the I guess the problem

Andrew Wilsonwith this is when you say if he's respectful to all does that mean basically he just keeps his beliefs about this to himself is that what you mean no just respectful he has like respect for people yeah but I'm not I'm

Andrew Wilsonnot really sure would it be disrespectful for instance if he was um talking to a woman maybe a friend of yours and you were you you were all three having a chat and she said you know I just came back from this feminist

Andrew Wilsonabortion rally and he was like oh oh [ __ ] gross yeah [ __ ] what are you doing a that's that the feminism sucks what are you doing to this is that being disrespectful yes yeah okay so then so

Andrew Wilsonthen isn't the only thing about it that's disrespectful is that he's voicing his belief I just if he maybe phrase it differently if that's how you feel like

Andrew WilsonOh How He voices his belief so if he was like well I disagree with that then it's okay yes but oh okay but it can't be like [ __ ] it gross they can't do that

Andrew Wilsonmhm okay now let's just let me ask you this one quick followup okay let's say that you were sitting with like your two friends and one of them is this feminist and she pulled out a piece of [ __ ] and took a bite and he was like oh my

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] god that's gross would you hold that against him that is gross yeah exactly and that's how he feels about feminism right that's my whole point does that does taking a bite of [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsonhave anything to do with Fe feminism I me the point the point is is from his perspective right um he feels the exact same way about the feminist as he would

Nataliaabout her pulling out a piece of [ __ ] and taking a bite of it in front of him he feels the same way totally I I understand that I think it's more of like um I think everyone can agree that

Nataliathat's gross and there's like when we're talking about like feminism and things like that um everyone has different opinions but I think we can all agree taking it by a shit's gross all right

Brian Atlaswhat about you um I would say that I would date someone who isn't a feminist would you date a man who did not identify as a feminist yes if so why

Aliciaokay well so you would yeah okay yes no feminist I think that the man is supposed to be masculine I think that's the problem with today's society

Aliciaand as women we're supposed to be nurturing yes and I think we've taken on the masculine role especially because our hearts have been attacked like trauma dating all these relationships

Aliciathat break our hearts all these things Harden our hearts and that's when we lose our feminine side because I had a very masculine side obviously I do boxing as well I was in the military I

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TTS Donation Readertrying their worst ways to not only take over any sort of patriarchy within society and destroying Society you want a beta oh all right beating cheeks there

TTS Donation Readeryou go thank you man all right well put all right your answer go ahead um I mean yeah like I don't think I'm a

TTS Donation Readerhardore femin G here here he is $200 apprciate respect is earned never to be given freely this is something the

TTS Donation Readerpatriarchy can teach you feminism has failed all women the patriarchy endures work hard earn respect be better there you go grid One Motorsports owner of

Brian Atlasgrid One Motorsports hey thank you grid one appreciate it man thank you very much appreciate it your answer yeah you would date a guy who did not identify himself as a feminist yeah I mean as

Natalialong as like you know you're not like so hardcore where you're like saying like that you're like grossed out by it like

Brian Atlaswhat your friend's example was you know okay I'm I'm married hypothetical I would

Brian Atlasokay um if my husband said he was a feminist we probably wouldn't be married there you go all right here let me get some chats out of the way not out of the way but you know read them Nickelodeon hey thank you so much man

Brian Atlasappreciate the $100 message what is the 304 version of get the rock get the Rock St Mary reset the clock

Brian Atlasum word what this is from 30 minutes ago so it's probably related to the uh religious conversation we were having I'm not sure really but uh Nickelodeon thank you man we have well he's saying

Brian Atlasum he he was he was making the analogy of St Mary reset the clock he's talking about this whole Born Again virginity thing oh okay kti stands naked and Fred

Brian Atlasaka the story of how I lost my virginity Brian Andrew you guys rock love the pod keep up the good work from kdia stands hey thank you very much man really

Brian Atlasappreciate your uh patronage good to see you back in the chat thank you um okay we have Nathan vladis hey thank you man appreciate it you are with a man who is

Brian Atlasbuilding his own business and you want to move because it makes it easier for you to travel to work do you expect the man to uproot everything and move what if he won't okay so you're with a man he's building his own business you want

Brian Atlasto move because it makes it easy easier for you to travel to work do you want the man to uproot everything and move what if he won't one more time I'm so sorry yeah

Peytonthat why don't you just read it out if you can just read it out to everybody okay so you are with a man who is building his own business and you want to move because it makes it easier for you to travel to work do you expect the

Peytonman to uproot everything and move what if he won't um so generally no I wouldn't expect the man to upro and uproot and move

Peytonum in a temporary situation if it is permanent yes but in the moment like I I generally would have like the understanding of like okay like we aren't able to do this right at this

Vespermoment so I think that's okay um I would not expect him to uproot everything and move and if we would probably just break up I wouldn't be

Aliciawith them I agree uh I would not expect him to move either I wouldn't expect him to move I think he should be the provider so yeah

Brian AtlasI'm not expecting no I wouldn't have expected him to move either nope don't expect him to move and shut down his business all right we have Joshua Kims Christ is King

Andrew WilsonAndrew preach to these women a awesome solar eclipse here tomorrow in Texas Brian keep rock it man yeah here here we're going to have that here as well um I don't know if that's true or not but I

Britney DelamoraI had heard that there's going to be one here is it going to is that solar eclipse going to be visible here I don't I have no some of the mom the moms from the mom

Britney Delamoragroup I'm in were asking for like glasses for their kids to like see it I know my mom was talking about that too interesting okay Brian that'd be cool if we were streaming during the solar E clips and it just like got dark for 30

Brian Atlasseconds too bad it wasn't today okay Brian Jones thank you man appreciate it the key to being a good and happy person is being thankful for what you been given showing gratitude well Brian

Brian AtlasJohnson I'm very grateful for your very generous Super Chat thank you so much man appreciate your patronage also I do I do

Brian Atlashave to talk a little bit of [ __ ] the superior spelling of Brian with is is with an eye just saying thank you I appreciate it uh all right I have a

Brian Atlascouple more questions here from my pre-show notes that some of you guys provide I did uh let's see let's start with Vesper Vesper here you describe

Vesperyourself as a luxury house pet on online what my bio say yeah what does that mean oh god um I don't know I would Akin it

Vesperto being like a housewife but I'm like a house pet what do you like so what does that mean to be a house pet um I don't know I'm submissive I think it's just

Brian Atlaslike a funny thing oh okay it's there's not much meaning it no not really okay I thought it was maybe like some sort of like a some sort of play thing or I don't know no it's just funny you also

Brian Atlasdescribe yourself as a bratty gamer girl that is what my bio says as well um do so you actually playay play video games or what games do you play um I'm almost

Brian Atlasdone with balers gate I have like 500 hours in Terraria okay you also also describe yourself as a University Art ho yes what does that one mean um you know

Vesperlike an art ho is just something what's an art I don't know what an art ho is like you you like art yeah well I'm going to school for art I'm getting my BFA and Studio Arts you paint or draw or

Brian Atlaswhat do you do um yeah like painting drawing lots of Ceramics stuff like that okay you're also in your fiance era what does that mean I'm a fiance there's but

Brian Atlasis there era you're you're a fiance but what does it mean to I guess be a fiance in this case what do you mean I meag you're in your Fe oh okay yeah there's no criteria oh I

Brian Atlasguess that is the criteria yeah no I'm engaged so I'm someone's beyon you also describe yourself as a court jester yes you know what a Jester is I know the yeah are you which court are you a

Brian AtlasJester of I just think it's funny which monarchy I'm just curious earth the earth monarchy yeah just so who's the who's the king oh I don't know so what okay you just have all these random

Brian Atlas[ __ ] things in your bio trying to make sense of it your a core Jester there's no sense to be made of it well how about this one you also okay here we go oh God do I even say it I don't even

Brian Atlasknow I might skip over it brain dead blank slute you know what I'm talking about that's your words your words not mine no um yeah that's like engagement farming

Brian Atlasfor for sure yeah and you you are a a stripper and you do only fans correct yes okay yeah um let's see you've said you've had some crazy en aners with customers your current uh my two answers

Brian Atlaswere different cuz my Instagram got deleted so I'm not sure if you have the I have the old one and the new ones the new one is better upgraded okay uh did

Brian Atlasyou meet your fiance through work um no I met him on Instagram he dm' you or you dm' him I dm' him how did you stumble

Vesperupon him um well we've worked in the same city and we work in the same industry so we had mutuals we like we follow the same like people in our area what does he do um he's a strip

Brian Atlasclub manager okay interesting well why you laughing Andrew why you laughing nothing I just no I

Andrew Wilsonjust you know he takes all kinds I guess okay you know just uh by the way I just I did have to ask you um so most women who play video games online I've noticed

Andrew Wilsonthe trend that they absolutely suck at it would you say that you're one of the who's good at video games or um I think that depends what kind of games you play I don't play like firsters shooter type

Vespergames which that usually depends on like you being good at it I play like lots of building games or story games um but I would say I'm moderate at them what mode did you play Boulders gate on oh I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow my husband you don't know the mode you played it didn't you s tons of hours into it you don't know the no I sung tons of hours into a Terraria um but you're almost done Boulder's Gate right yeah I am almost done with

Brian Atlasity let's let's let's move on let's move on I'm sure it's just a normal one actually something that you do disagree with is you actually disagree with something that Andrew said Here Andrew

Brian Atlassays that parents should disown their adult children for doing only fans or porn which you disagree with you said you consider yourself very Centrist so you think that we have things to debate

Brian Atlasokay um so actually going around the table do you think it's Justified for a father or mother to disown their adult

Peytonchildren for being involved in only fans or any kind of sex work starting with you we'll go around the table go ahead um generally yes my parents do come from

Peytonthe medical field they that is their current occupation so is my family so if I'm have the same last name as my mom who works in the medical field I completely understand that that comes

Peytonwith a certain reputation so fine you're fine with doning um I'm not saying your answer's wrong I'm just just clarifying I mean

Peytondis doning is a little bit harsh I would say more of like I'm from a dissociative opinion wait what um I just mean like

Andrew Wilsondissociation like say like my mom like until until like they stop maybe that is that what you mean you'd stop associating with okay I

Andrew Wilsonyeah by the way uh so so your opinion here is um that you would bring shame on your parents and so you would understand why they would want to disassociate with that because it could hurt their

Peytonreputation I mean that would definitely come from my perspective not theirs but it's but it does tie into their reputation as well yeah right it let's let's assume for a second your parents

Andrew Wilsonwouldn't uh wouldn't do it you're taking a much more adult stance and saying even if you wouldn't I wouldn't want to bring shame came to you right that's what you're saying yes yeah I think that's a

Vesperrespectable position thank you we go uh before you guys get into a back and forth we'll just have everybody answer this go ahead um I think that it's very nuanced I think that if you are I don't think it's necessarily certain that

Vesperyou're bringing shame on your parents some people aren't very close with them some people don't have very good parents um so I don't think that that would necessarily automatically bring shame upon your family um if your parents like

Vespermy grandparents are missionaries so if like I was their child I could understand why they would want to disown me because it would be bad for their reputation mhm okay um I don't think it's nice though yeah that upsets me I

Nataliadon't um I came from a very like forgiving and welcoming household so um it's hard for me to like understand that some parents might do that but I mean

Nataliatheir children their parents like you raise them how you want and that's what you're going to do that's what you're going to do but it's sad

Crystalsad it is yeah I think to disown your kid yeah if they're doing that okay I would understand if they Dison me but it

Crystalwould really hurt you know it hurt yeah OB I love my family but okay yeah this and I would say no um and especially

Aliciacoming from somebody who was Christian first off we're all adults it's not going to ruin the reputation everybody has their own free will their own free choice where all adults we know this um for me like if my mom hadn't kept talk

Alicialike she was the only person that was was talking to me during my addiction when I overdosed like if she would have not talked to me and I would have overdosed like imagine you know what would have happened like she kept me

Aliciaalive for a lot of the times when I had no faith and no hope so yeah I think you can distance I think if it's causing you like an a problem to see your daughter like that for my mom like my dad he did

Aliciahe he completely stopped talking me but for my mom it's like we should be Christlike he loved the Sinners you know he went to the broken the broken is where Jesus's heart is so I disagree that you should disown but if you do

Natalianeed to step back because it's affecting you that's between you and God sorry yeah I mean I'm not a parent but I don't think I could I'm sorry no just um we

Brian Atlasprobably should have pointed this out earlier but when if you can when she's talking if you can kind of just lean back just a little if if you see what I'm talking about

Nataliayou're in the monitor go ahead uh yeah no um I'm not a parent but I don't think that I could like disown my kid if they did that obviously I don't know I think

Nataliathat would hurt cuz I'm from a Christian household you know so like Jesus like says like you know to forgive and like it's to accept yeah and it's

Britney Delamoraunconditional love so like I don't know I don't think I could sure yeah I don't think that that's the wise approach I think think often times the reason why women get into sex work is probably

Britney Delamorabecause there was a lot of dysfunction in the household so for the parent to now say I'm going to distance myself further what that child actually needs is your love and understanding um so

Britney Delamorayeah definitely do not disown your children uh I I Mentor many sex workers that I have actually seen cross over um and I was there for them as a spiritual

Britney Delamoramother loving on them the way that their parents didn't um and saw it I've seen it be very counterproductive to disown your children when they are in sex work stripping any any of the things um I

Sunnythink that the parent should be equally honest and you know be like I don't agree with this and use tough love right like we are talking about a lot of faith-based and yes a lot of people will come to Christianity but it doesn't mean

Sunnyit's okay to keep living in your sin the point is that you understand that you've sinned and you're supposed to repent and you're supposed to be better so you can love that person but you don't have to agree with that person do keep it to

TTS Donation Readeryourself because that's not actually being loving when you see something that could some guy a long time ago donated $200 be careful of which path in life

Brian Atlasyou take for that could crumble beneath you due to the weight of your own actions some guy a long time ago hey thank you really appreciate your uh very generous TTS there thank you before I

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Andrew WilsonI'm sorry I'm terrible with names um the gall in blue who councils um you know prostitutes what did you say your name I can't hear you oh I I said what

Andrew Wilsondid you say your name was again oh my name is Britney I'm sorry say it one more time the mic Britney Britney okay gotcha so Britney uh do you have any

Andrew Wilsonchildren I do okay and how old are they uh I have a four-year-old and an almost 2-year-old okay so if they and you're you know you're married right yes okay

Andrew Wilsonso uh if one of them came to you and wanted to get counseled about uh being in the lgbtq and told you that they were going to move towards that lifestyle uh

Britney Delamorawhat would your husband say well first off I would feel that I'm failing as a parent if my child chooses to enter any sort of Lifestyle like sex work or

Britney Delamoraanything like that um but yeah I mean we would counsel them and talk to them like what what's the issue like why do you feel this way why do you believe you

Andrew Wilsongive them money would I give them money mhm for what for whatever it was that they needed let's just say they wanted to pay their rent but they were also engaged in these horrific activities

Britney Delamorawould you pay their rent if they were in sex work or if they were gay what are you yeah yeah if I had a gay child would I pay their rent yeah would you pay

Britney Delamoratheir rent if they asked you to yeah why wouldn't I if they were never allow I would never you you're interrupting I would never allow my child to be homeless okay great I'm glad that you

Andrew Wilsonwould never allow blah blah blah blah blah okay but you're enabling the activity you realize that you're saying if they're gay hang on let me finish they're gay I mean let me finish lady

Andrew Wilsonand then he can respond calm down that's weird calm calm down lady let me finish and then he can respond MH so anyway you're if if you're doing only fans you

Andrew Wilsonneed a place to do the only fans work right stop let me finish why is it so hard for you to do just let me finish my point and I'll let you finish your point

Andrew Wilsonyou're enabling by giving them cash resources and access to you this Behavior which ultimately is horrific for them I don't believe that you've

Britney Delamorapulled very many women out of sex work if what's your ideology is is to tell them that it should be enabled that's Insanity no see you just said would I pay their rent if they were gay for me I

Britney Delamorathink that they are confused if they think that they are gay they're not operating in their identity now now if they are selling themselves for money I would not give them money for that I would say Hey you need you need why you

Andrew Wilsongive them money to be gay then it that's a conf it's totally different selling yourself why is it different you're you're in sexual sin horrific sexual sexual sin why would why would you enable that they may they may

Britney Delamorathink they're gay and not actually be having sex I agree why issue it's an identity issue why would you enable the identity issue that's not enabling an

Britney Delamoraidentity issue when I look when I was in the porn when I was in the porn industry and I wanted to get out and I didn't have any money my grandmother gave me a place to stay um I had my uncle send me

Andrew Wilsonrent money on occasions you know I which enabled you to continue to do porn no I said when I left porn when I left you didn't you said when you were doing it

Andrew Wilsonneed rent money when I was doing porn Okay so this leading the pornography industry so at that point why shouldn't they help you they should you're not doing the activity right right but they never disowned me they

Andrew Wilsonwere always there for me always yeah but a disown a disowning is a disassociation from the person till they stop ex activity what in the world could be wrong with that so when you're saying disowning I imagine a parent completely

Britney Delamoraturning their back and not talking to them is that how you yeah yeah yeah that's wrong that's wrong why yeah tell me why it's wrong what's your epistemic foundation for why it's wrong okay so you can make a difference in your

Britney Delamorachild's life life if you have communication with them so son daughter I don't agree with what you are doing you are destined for so much more than this you do not need to sell your body you are better than this okay I can

Britney Delamoraactually pour into them if I have a relationship with them if I turn my back on them who the hell is speaking into their life the other the other only fan girls the other strippers let me get

Andrew Wilsonthis let me get that makes no sense uh you think that it has a more punitive effect for a parent to enable the behavior it's not ening to turn your back on the behavior and say no you're not allowed to do this there's a

Andrew Wilsonpunitive there's a punitive punishment for it by the way if you want to have a strong father a strong father gives down punishments to their children including disassociation if the activity is such

Andrew Wilsonthat it defames their family absolutely not free will is absolutely yes can you give me your epistemic foundation for what you're basing this on other than

Britney Delamorayour feelings no it's not my feeling ings I mean G Jesus was there for me when I was deep in my sin yet he never agreed to my sin he the very one that said daughter you need to leave this

TTS Donation Readerpimp when I opened up my Bible daughter you need to leave the porn industry the life that I have for you one Motorsports donated $200 if my son threw away a lifetime of

TTS Donation Readerlessons given him I have not failed him he has failed himself he would get nothing that did not help o him get his Chic together enabling his fail

Britney Delamorabe better communication is not enabling giving money is enabling yes right you're enabling that you were a prostitute what's up is it your parents fault that you were a prostitute you

Britney Delamoraknow what I I mean I made the choices that I made yes but I did grow up in an abusive household okay but was it their fault or was it your fault I made the decisions but I made it from a broken place in my heart I had no ID that

Britney Delamorasounds like you just refused to take accountability no I just your fault or was it their fault I just said I made the decisions that I made now a parent who is a Godly parent that's constantly

Britney Delamorapouring in love and has good relationship with their children studies show that those children don't want to inter sex work and talk to every single woman who is in who is in the sex

Andrew Wilsonindustry it all stems from a broken childhood yeah due to a lack of patriarchal consequences that's why that's why you hear so many of them and we talk to them all the time right here

Andrew Wilsonon this show and you hear the same story over and over and over again Daddy gave me no consequences and enabled all of my shitty behavior and he refused to put

Andrew Wilsonhis foot down and say no you can't be a prostitute or you're [ __ ] out of here and if maybe they had done that these women wouldn't move towards that lifestyle when you talk about Jesus

Andrew WilsonChrist and what what his ministry was uh it was to go in what sin no more right but he had to talk enabled Sinners to

Britney Delamorasin he had to talk to them just them to go and no more just hello we win I can't I can't even hear you he had to talk to them to tell them to go and sin no more

Andrew Wilsonif you disown your children you can't tell them to go and sin no more a free will we have fre will you tell them go and sin no more they say [ __ ] you they spit in your face they spit in your eye

Britney Delamoraright why is it that you have to continuously go back to that why don't why can't they face the consequence of their actions there are boundaries that you can set into play if your child is being abusive to you then absolutely you

Britney Delamoracan say son daughter you are not allowed to talk to me that way and until you can come to me with respect we can't communicate but I'm not cutting them out because they're doing sex work I would be cutting them out because they're

Andrew Wilsonbeing abusive and disrespectful there's a huge difference yeah it's enabling the behavior and life going to enable the behavior of their children being prostitutes on only fans and shaming

Andrew Wilsontheir household name without a punitive punishment for them we punish ourselves we don't need to be punished by our parents hang hang on I'm almost done I'm almost done get pun I'm almost done hang on relax remember

Andrew Wilsonthere's many of you and only one of me okay we we get to everybody but understand that one such punitive punishment that fathers lay down all the time is disappointment and

Andrew Wilsondisassociation and that is what the primary cause of keeping these women away from this type of work it seems to be extremely helpful it's called Shame shame works you don't think that shame

Andrew Wilsonworks I don't know why you don't think shame works but I got a feeling your track record here ain't going to be great if you don't think shame works so I'm going to speak from a personal two personal experiences one is Nala she

Aliciagrew up with her family that we're Pastor kids we saved her by the way oh it was the one podcast shout out to Pastor K her parents disowned her she found her way back me my dad was very

Andrew Wilsonstrict I got spanked all the time I wasn't even allowed to hang out father did not disown that's [ __ ] I sat right in that room that you're in right now arguing with Nala Nala told me to my

Aliciaface that her father took money from her okay so let me speak for myself my my father spanked me all the time um we couldn't even hang out after high school

Aliciawhat um very very strict households extremely um and H I I have free will as an adult just like God we could do whatever we want God gave us free will

Aliciawe can choose what we want true love is not forcing somebody to do it your way that's not that's uncondition that's conditional love unconditional love is saying hey you have fre when Jesus said go and sin no more that was a

Aliciaconditional love that he put down on them yeah but people can choose he's not forcing everybody he could force us all to be holy but he doesn't he gives us Choice was that a conditional love when he said S no more no that was a boundary was an

Sunnyinstruction something you want to do because when you're in love with somebody you don't go sin anymore that was the condition to receive heaven but not his love he loves you at all times doesn't agree with you but if you want

Sunnyto have that repentance if you want to have that everlasting life and heaven then you motps donated $200 thank you son would always be welcome to come home

TTS Donation Readerwhen willing to change his evil ways but the devil has no place in my house your life was not strict you failed your parents and you still are get help o yeah so the point the point was about

Andrew Wilsonconditional it's just saying that there's conditionals you can't be a part of Christianity unless you follow the conditionals otherwise what makes you a Christian nothing there there's no conditionals for it so this is the same

Andrew Wilsonproblem applied to your logic here there has to be conditionals just saying oh it's just about free love no it's also about consequences you believe in the concept of hell right don't you believe in that concept or do you not believe in

Aliciathat concept that's what I'm saying is we we we suff we punish ourselves by not obeying our parent parents or not listening to God we don't need somebody to disown us to already feel the pain MH

Andrew Wilsonlike I feel to do with what I just asked you what I just asked you is do the concept of Hell exist in your world yeah and we have free will to choose right or wrong yeah that sounds like a condition

Aliciaof if you don't do what you're supposed to do you go to hell that sounds pretty freaking conditional to me the thing is we just accept his gift that he died we just have to have faith that and believe

Andrew Wilsonthat he died for our sins it's not like it's it's amazing but isn't hell a condition isn't that a condition of you didn't do what you were supposed to do

Andrew Wilsonso you went to hell yeah you didn't accept Jesus Christ yeah you didn't you so you didn't follow the conditionals and that's the whole point that's what strong fathers do that's why marriage is

Andrew Wilsona patriarchy that's why the man is the head of the marriage the head of the Church of the church that's the representation of Jesus Christ what it is the woman is the body of the church the man is the head that is a

Andrew Wilsonrepresentation of marriage inside of Christianity to represent um this relationship so I'm telling you that there's a conditional with the ultimate consequence of The Eternity of hell and

Brian Atlasyou're like well I'm not so sure Jesus was into these conditions it's like come on I mean Jud I'm sorry but I do have to move things along that was a very you know

Britney Delamorathat was a good a good point it was a good okay final thing final thing final thing final thing you get like Judas threw Jesus to the cross and

Britney DelamoraJesus knew what his intentions were all along and yet he never he what huh what' you say I was telling Nick you can't cut away from Andrew while he's lighting up

TTS Donation Readera sigy okay I thought I don't know okay so anyways he didn't turn his backis coming in it's just understand the importance of consequences while

TTS Donation Readermothers tend to gravitate towards nurturing as a result mothers tend to enable disowning is a consequence corn stops acceptance returns interesting

Aliciathat's good that's that's a decent Point doc difference between boundaries a lot of men would be disowned if they because if they're watching you know corn I'm sure a lot of boys would be disowned

Aliciait's the same sin whether we're making the content or guys watching corn so in terms you think consuming pornography is at the same level of creating

Andrew Wilsonyes oh a sin is a sin so you think that stealing a penny is just as s sinful as murdering uh a baby in their crib then God make sure that we're clear on God's eyes eyes oh no God's probably God's

Andrew Wilsoneyes you think that stealing a penny is the equivalent of murdering a child inside of a crib I just want to make sure we're clear on that um so there is a great movie I wish I could somebody please write it in the comments you'll know what I'm talking about the comments

Sunnywrite that [ __ ] but that sh it's saying that you know you can have a liar yeah I lie but at least I don't steal and then you have a thief saying yeah I steal but at least I don't kill it goes up up and up so we all have our are you agreeing

Andrew Wilsonthat stealing a penny is the same as murdering a baby in the crib in the Christian faith based off of God's law all sins are equal really have you ever

Andrew Wilsonread Paul have you ever read Corinthians have you ever read Corinthians what Paul put down Paul Paul says sexual sin is worse than other types of sin he literally says that that he literally are you unaware are you unaware of this

Sunnyare you unaware are you unaware there's he say against the Flesh of the worst kind but based off of when Moses came down and he had the Ten Commandments and based off of The Ten Commandments we had the ones

Sunnybased off of how we follow the faith and respect God which I believe were the first five you can correct me on that and then the remaining five are our T Camp Commandments in society and it

Andrew Wilsonwasn't said that this one is worse or that one it was just not Jewish right no not Jewish okay so then I assume that you read the New Testament and the New Covenant and you follow the laws of

SunnyJesus Christ put down in the New Testament correct so I'll clarify I I am not a pastor in any way but I do like to try to learn what I can on certain

Brian Atlastopics hold on wait wait just going maybe directed at you guys hold on okay what's worse stealing a penny or murdering that's true that wasn't in the movie Paul's teachings wasn't in the movie my

Brian Atlasbad I mean what's worse person one sec here one sec what's worse stealing a penny or murdering a baby one has more consequences and obviously but

Background/Production Voiceno no no what's worse in God's eyes it's the same sin really oh it's not that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard How can any rational human being believe that that is the truth that stealing

Background/Production Voiceopin is is akin to the Lord and Akin to Jesus Christ of killing a baby that doesn't sound insane to you it's not it's but this is coming from our

Sunnyplace of ego where we want to justify well okay I did this but at least I didn't do that but that's that slippery slope right no it's not a slippery slope and you can't go to the slippery slope

Sunnyand you're making an AR I'm not coming from society I'm coming from the understanding of that Christian faith now you asked me about my understanding of the Bible and you're

Sunnyassuming what I read for me I have issues in the modern day translations when I was baptized when I was 18 um I took to the Bible I wanted to understand what I was doing and I had an issue with Genesis right off the get-go

Sunnybecause it says day one there was this day two was this day three was this and then it was like day four that God created the Sun and the Moon and I was like well how does a sun and a like how does a day exist without the sun and the moon when that's one well that's not what it says that's why you uh you got

Andrew Wilsonit wrong you got it wrong cuz it never actually directly correlates with the Moon it just says two lights and this is why you got it incorrect he but know but then it was clarified with day and night but you can't have that's not clarified

Sunnywe don't know what a day and night is to God you in the beginning day one God created when I decided to understand when my was like hold on how does a day exist without the sun existing that

Sunnydoesn't make sense to me when I L to the original Hebrew it was saying that the original translations word meant like era or period or an undefined amount of time so God created the universe in several

Brian Atlaswe're getting we're getting into we're getting this is I don't follow specific bibl that you're saying that I do okay hold on let's just go around the table just answer this question what's what is

Andrew Wilsonworse murdering a a baby or stealing a penny starting we'll start over here we'll go around I'll start I'll start murdering baby is way worse it's way worse it's worse in every conceivable way than I could ever think of let's

Sunnyjust have them answer let's have them answer go ahead based off of our societal law that's obvious okay oh okay what other what other angle are you looking at this from I'm not

TTS Donation Readerclaiming here but2 and Tik Tok doesn't cover Paul's teaching so she has no idea young lady your understanding of the Bible is

TTS Donation Readerflawed please stop wasting everyone's Time by prattling on about things you do not know so finishing the question that was originally with you right and with

Sunnyyour faith and Christianity it is that in God's eyes based off of your faith and what the two of you believe is all sins are equal based off of The Ten Commandments hold on let me just let me

Brian Atlasjust ask it as a secular question why don't we just remove religion from the question what's worse baby killer oh okay yeah murder is

Aliciaworse yeah murdering a baby well I had an abortion so I would be considered a baby killer and in God's eyes all Sin is Sin so no listen you can be forgiven for

Andrew Wilsonthat yeah forgiveness I there's women out there who fallen for that propaganda uh from the secular Nation you could be forgiven for that and you know what I mean you

Andrew Wilsoncan move past that you don't have to have bad theology because you're trying to cover for that just so you know it's not necessary but to me all sin a sin so wait but what what's worse it's the same

Brian Atlassin in God's eyes no no no but if it's like if you're looking at it from a secular perspective from a secular like yeah of course killing a baby is is worse wait

Brian Atlasso then but let's say you are religious then do are you arguing that religious people will view both of those at the same level one has way worse of a consequence so one is going to do way

Brian Atlasmore damage to the other family to obviously the life that is lost but it is couldn't you still make a determination even if you were religious that one is worse than the other regard L of the consequences how about this

Brian Atlaswhat about the murder wait wait wait hold on hold on okay so what if what if the murderer you you mentioned consequences what if they just the they never discover that this

Brian Atlasperson committed the murder and then the person who stole the penny there was video evidence of it and they're prosecuted for I don't know misdemeanor theft Patty theft so the consequences You could

Brian Atlasargue would be worse for the ones stealing the penny so are are you saying that people who are religious cannot make a determination as to what's worse I think we look at things through

AliciaChrist's eyes and so we look at things in all the same way so sin is a sin no matter what it is I think that's how we is this actually religious Doctrine conratulations by the way you have just

Andrew Wilsonyielded all Christian ground to secular ethics and have made secularists look like they're the ones who are moral and we're the ones who are lunatics because all of you just got done saying that secularists would consider this thing

Andrew Wilsonwhich is obviously 10 times more no I'm sorry 10 million times more egregious than stealing a penny they would consider it worse but you wouldn't you just gave the enemies of Christianity the moral High Ground you fools I can't

Andrew Wilsonbelieve that you people are out here preaching anything I'm not a preacher that's the last thing I do I get into politics that's it but you just gave the enemies of your religion the moral High

SunnyGround I it's it's unfathomable to me it's unfortunate that that's how you're taking it when in the faith true

Sunnyallar Steen as equal as doing this don't lust after another's man's wife as it's as equal as doing this so the whole point is saying you have no you have to take accountability you cannot excuse

Andrew Wilsonthe sins you're choosing then why did Jesus Christ say that why did Jesus Christ talk about who had the greater sin when he was delivered to pilate then can you explain that to me he said that all those without sin like cast the first stone or something like that no no

Andrew Wilsonthat's not my question why did he why did he say when he was delivered to pilate who had the greater sin in delivering him to pilate why did he say that you don't even know what I'm

Sunnytalking about no I I understand that after he was after he left the priests because they couldn't condemn him condemn him so then they took them to the Romans hoping that he would instead condemn them on their behalf so they

Sunnydidn't make an enemy of all of the faith Believers but I don't know that word for word so I can't like I have my feelings on it but I don't know that based off memory is there an actual scripture that

Andrew Wilsonsays all sin is equal no not only that so where is it where does that come from specifically Paul specifically explains why sexual sin is a more egregious sin than other types of sin it's sin against

Andrew Wilsonhighly specific about this he says because it's a sin against your own body that's right because it's a sin against your own body and by the way blaspheming against the holy spirit is the greatest sin yes yep yeah so it's this sin above

Britney Delamoraall other sins yeah I I I guess they're not all [ __ ] equal are I mean I didn't I I definitely don't necessarily agree with that I think that forgiveness is available and free for

Andrew Wilsonanyone but there are sins that are you know worse than others there really where does this whole all sin is it comes from the church and I think it you know it comes from the church which church which church there's only two

Andrew Wilsonchurches Church the Catholic church and everything else that doesn't count because it fractioned off 300 years ago right so which church says this which one I'm reading something here every sin

Brian Atlasdeserves deserves God's Wrath and curse but not every sin is the same in God's eye that's not from scripture but there is something Proverbs 616 to 19 identifies seven things that God hates

Brian Atlasalthough there's not any punishment prescribed those heest and one that he hates right so I don't anyways D let's finish that question

Brian Atlaswhat's worse killing a baby murder killing a baby killing a baby now what if it's like a you know one of these older pennies that is like worth a

Andrew Wilsoncouple dollars does that change anything look at this look at this the women sitting sitting across from the Christian who do you think to the

Andrew Wilsonpopulation right now sounds sane the ones on the other side who some of them are current prostitutes telling you murdering a baby is worse than stealing a penny or your delusional [ __ ] that

Andrew Wilsonstealing a penny is the equivalent of that in God's eye who do you think people are really going to move towards cuz I can tell you which one sounds rational and to me and which one sounds irrational at no point what if there are coin collector

Brian AtlasAndrew what if they're coin collector and the baby is future Adolf Hitler yeah you know what they mean I think that Deadpool had that okay I

Brian Atlasdon't know here let me read some or actually no we we're done on chats um uh let's get it back to dating guys let's talk about dating dating podcast you know dating podcast all right all right um Andrew on another podcast you were on

Brian Atlasyou actually had a really fantastic back and forth about submission being submissive and I think that's a conversation that could definitely be interesting here Vesper in one of your show notes or in your pre-show notes you

Brian Atlassaid you wanted to talk about what it means for a man to lead a relationship and what women are asking for when saying they want a man to lead them do

Vesperyou want to uh expand on your point um it was more just a topic that I wanted to talk about in general I think that whenever say they want a whenever women say they want

Vespera man to lead I think that men interpret that as something different than what women mean what why explain that for us um I don't know I can only speak on

Vespermyself whenever I say that I want a man to lead my relationship I mean lead like where our future is going so deciding on when we're getting married if we're getting married deciding when we're getting engaged deciding if we're buying

Vespera house um controlling finances controlling our future basically is what I would interpret that as so wait one thing but we'll come back to

Brian Atlasthat but is this related to because you also said in your notes here that you're in a 247 free use freeuse lifestyle slave thing with your

Vesperboyfriend what is what is that um I think related free use is when you're available for sex and any time 247 okay you have a constant BDSM Dynam damic mhm

Brian Atlasthey'd be interested in hearing about I don't know maybe okay all right well let's go back to the leading thing uh going around the table do you think do you

Peytonwant your boyfriend's date whatever it may be to lead um generally in an in not speaking

Peytonsexually yes wait not sexually I mean not in any context of sexualization yes I would want him to be like the leader like making the calls on like potential like homes making the calls on jobs like

Peytonbut not topics like that what what do you mean not sexually I just mean I don't have any uh comment on this like in any sexual interpretation I think because you added

Vesperthat in as part of oh what it was my notes yeah that was just a unrelated segue but I mean someone could obviously lead in the bedroom right you don't have

Peytoncomments on on the preference there or just in in your question yes um I generally would want my boyfriend or whoever's in the picture to

Peytonlead but not in the bedroom I just don't have a comment I um choose not to speak on just like anything sexual like that all right

Brian Atlasum dating podcast by the way wait so you're you you you can't even say yes I would like you know someone a little lead you know um yeah just just answer

Peytonyou don't want to talk about anything sex related um I mean I guess it just depends on the question but seems like a pretty innocuous um question on on this podcast

Peytonno I I wouldn't like to speak on anything like directly sexual good job Madison all right what about you I expect my husband to lead yeah uh yeah I'd prefer

Aliciathat me too yes lead but obviously we talk about things too at the same time but he has the the main Authority in the household

Brian Atlasyeah lead yes yeah surprised that's a cross panel all right what about being submissive will you be submissive to

Brian Atlasyour boyfriend starting with you um yes I

Brian Atlasam uh no what do you mean by that being submissive yeah like I know have different senses of what that means but I suppose um following his lead being

Nataliacompliant not like fully yes so no okay Andrew can you think of perhaps an example here that might help me uh kind of like a

Andrew Wilsonscenario yeah your husband decides one day as you come to him and you say that um you don't like how the finances are being spit and he says well I understand but I'm going to go ahead and dismiss

Andrew Wilsonyour opinion because I don't care and we're doing this thing

Nataliainstead um yeah know you're a harsh leader more like a dictator that's what I'm sorry how's that dictatorship I thought uh I thought he's the head of

Brian Atlasthe household and you're submissive wait before before I have you guys do back and forth let me have everybody answer the question if he's the head of the household then would you be submissive okay

Aliciaum I wouldn't be with a guy who wouldn't take my opinion at all to discuss and say I don't care about what you're saying that's not a real loving relationship right that's not submissive then he could say I hear what you're

Aliciasaying but I think this is better this way let's try it and try it that way for a while but it's all about communication here we'll get we'll get everybody's answer before I agree you agree with her

Britney Delamoraokay yeah so uh would I be submissive absolutely like but I think there's a healthy way to approach it like the way that he talks is very like dictatorship my husband does I'll give an example

Britney Delamorathere was a documentary I like the dictatorship I think so there no that's not because the Bible says that the husband should lay down his life as Christ did for the church for his wife

Britney Delamoraso it it's always done I'll pass I'm going to leers part of the the it is a part of the Bible the leadership I agree just I would pass on the whole lay down but the leadership should be done in love so for example I really thought

Britney Delamorathat I should be in this particular documentary called uh after porn ends it was part two and my husband was like no I do not want you in that they show a lot of nudity but I really felt like God was saying you need to be in it but

Britney Delamorathere needs to be boundaries so I told my husband okay fine like I I'm going to submit to you on this and I'm not going to be a part of this documentary he did it in love with deep conviction I kept taking it to prayer and I'm like God

Britney Delamoralike I really feel like you're saying yes so I had a conversation with my husband after feeling the Lord was speaking to me and I told him hey love like I really feel like this is a way that we could make a dynamic difference

Brian Atlasin the world and we had already missed the opportunity for part two and he and then he prayed about it and said you know what I think you're right hold I'm sorry let me just what's your answer to the question I'm sorry I just we're I I want to give everybody an opportunity to

Sunnyspeak go ahead uh no I I I don't think the husband can be the leader of the household if you're not submissive but you have to have discernment that he respects you and he still is willing to have a conversation so you understand

Sunnywhy even if you don't agree with it at least you understand why he's making these choices so you need discernment in your partner who you're willing to be submissive for that doesn't sound like submission well you should choose your

Andrew Wilsonpartner well like you should choose a man that you could trust to lead you know don't you trust your man to tell you shut up and you're wrong he's not he's spend the money how hang on don't you trust your man don't you trust your own discernment that you married well

Britney Delamoraenough that you can trust your husband to tell you if you're being [ __ ] and that you're spending the money incorrectly and that he's going to do what he wants absolutely I have a wonderful husband I have absolutely no complaints about him he is a gentleman he is strong he is led by the Holy

Britney DelamoraSpirit everything that he does is he does in love but your approach is very harsh very condemning it's honestly un Christ kindness is not a Christian

Andrew Wilsonvirtue for the 300th time to the dumb women out there kindness one of theing sorry Ness niess nice being

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] nice is not a Christian virtue I don't know who came up with this [ __ ] but it's nonsense being nice is not virtuous virtues nowh in the Bible that I

Sunnyhe virtuous when we're talking about what is or is not virtuous is is to teach virtue as you the leader in your home no

Sunnyhow's your wife can we can we love on her Andrew I just I'm curious like I I also believe that the leader of the house is also a teacher of the house and that's how you you you raise your sons that's how you raise your daughters so

Sunnyif you were making a choice in your household wouldn't you want your family to understand so then in the later generations they know why you made your choices yeah but that's besid so this is actually in a side point and let me

Andrew Wilsonaddress it directly sometimes yeah maybe most of the time and that's all I ask but learning hang on hang on Sometimes women are irrational and they're morons

Andrew Wilsonand they act like morons and they can become highly irrational and when that happens it's necessary literally necessary to say no you're being stupid and we're going to do what I want and

Andrew WilsonI'm not going to explain it I don't need to explain it real submission comes in understanding this you are the head the head the body does not function without the head but the head can function

Andrew Wilsonwithout the body that is the truth and so the if you're if you're looking at this objectively through a Christian lens again Paul very clear on the teachings here no you can't disrespect

Andrew Wilsonyour wife no you're not allowed to step out on your wife yes you have to take the bullet before your wife does absolutely all of that's true but guess what you get the big piece of chicken you get to make the decisions ultimately

Andrew Wilsonand you don't have to explain yourself because you think it's not very nice dictatorship hold on really quick it's a dictatorship sweetheart what makes it a dictatorship thank you ab ab

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