Brian DEBATES Feminist! Single Mom CELlBATE 10 Years? Open Marriage? Woman Pastor? | Dating Talk 285

Date: 2026-03-09

Duration: 7h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Gabrielle(guest)

SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_04Olympia(guest)

SPEAKER_05Carrie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kayla Void(guest)

SPEAKER_08Chloe Yummy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Shante(guest)

SPEAKER_10Nicole (AZ)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

Key MomentCarrie: single 13 years, celibate 10. Pimped out cheating best friend as revenge; friend later died.

Key MomentShante reveals one-sided open marriage arrangement

ControversyKayla reveals she has no problem with revoking women's right to vote

Key MomentCarrie: 13 years sober, lost custody after suicide attempt, now handles narcotics at pharmacy

QuoteBrian: 'she'll end up with a chubby Mexican drywaller who used to be addicted to opium'

Key MomentOlympia speaks in tongues live on camera

Key MomentOlympia: saved husband's life 3 times including from gun to his own head. Lost 19yo son in 2023.

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Chloe Yummy, Gabrielle, Nicole, Carrie, Shante, Olympia, Kayla.

Carrie's Celibacy and Revenge Story

Single 13 years, celibate 10. Ex had threesome with best friend. She pimped out the friend as revenge; friend is dead.

Shante's Open Marriage

One-sided open marriage explained. Husband free to date others.

Revoking 19th Amendment

Kayla has no problem with women losing right to vote. Extended debate.

Carrie's Addiction Recovery

13 years sober from heroin/cocaine. Lost custody after suicide attempt. Now narcotics pharmacy tech.

Olympia's Testimony

Husband was drug addict 5 years, saved his life 3 times. Lost 19yo son 2023. Speaks in tongues on camera.

Chloe's Trivia Failures

Brazil is in Africa. George Bush was first president. Pearl Harbor was in London.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasthen again, I get that would mess up the entire voting system because then single people would just stay single. It would just be I'm uh one thing and I'll have I'll have you uh >> I I'm an egalitarian on this particular

Brian Atlasissue. So, >> and well, for a few things I think it's optically bad to suggest we ought to revoke the 19th amendment, that we should repeal

Brian Atlasthe 19th amendment, that that we should revoke uh women's right to vote. Optically, that's terrible. Uh practically, pragmatically, I don't think that that's going to happen. Um,

Brian Atlasso I I just don't think it's politically tenable to even pursue that. So me personally, my own thoughts though is if we are going to do this equality thing, women should be subject to military

Brian Atlasconscription because in order for men to be able to vote, men have to be subject to well, they have to register for the selective service. If they don't, it's not just the risk of potentially being

Brian Atlasforced into the military. It's also there are actually uh penalties even if you don't uh register for the selective service. It's technically a felony. $250,000 fine. You're barred from

Brian Atlascertain federal programs, from getting certain federal jobs, from getting student loans in some instances. Uh so, and then it's of course just even being able to vote, you have to register and

Brian Atlasbe subject to military conscription. So my position would be well no we're not going to get rid of women's uh right to vote we are going to bulldoze uh women

Brian Atlasbeing subject to military conscription. Now if it is women's positions or politicians positions that no we shouldn't do that only in that scenario

Brian Atlaswould I say well uh given the inequality that men have this duty and responsibility that women don't uh in that circumstances if there's a

Brian Atlasdefinitive we will not well that's the status quo currently we will not make women subject to military conscription then we can either ther reduce the power

Brian Atlasof women's vote to a half or three-fifths or whatever or just completely revoke it outright. But that wouldn't be my first step. But it makes sense to me if if men have this extra

Brian Atlasduty and responsibility and that's the basis for them having access to the vote. You either in order for equality to exist, women also have to be subject to that or you have to

Brian Atlashave a serious conversation about uh weak weakening the power of women's vote or completely revoking it. >> Right. It's fair. I think um in a perfect world we just nobody would have to go into a draft unfortunately. I

Gabriellethink that's like where my mind goes and that's why I just like I go benign like I go like >> can I say something? >> Sure.

OlympiaI believe that women is a very important uh piece in any um situation

Olympiain any position even in the military. Um is there places in the mil military that not specifically you have to grab a gun and

Olympiabe in front? as many places in the in the military that is nurse is uh kitchen is many places where women can be part and do her best

Olympia>> right >> we when God created us God create men and women if women was not important then men will

Olympiabe alone in this planet obviously women is a very important piece in any area in this life >> that's just factually not True. Women are not important from a military

Brian Atlasperspective. >> What do you mean like? >> Well, you said that women are equally important. >> No, no, no, not equally. Not equally. I'm saying what was your

Olympia>> I'm saying that um my point of view is women uh is important in in all the areas. is like supporting your men,

Olympiasupporting uh like I says in the military like uh not not to be in front in the front line, but is >> I'm okay with the front line >> like >> send them to the front line.

Brian Atlas>> It's >> send them to Afghanistan. No, >> send them liberate the poor Afghanistani women who just

Olympia>> you know feminist to fight the Taliban >> places where women are can be uh putting her you know very important part in any

Shanteany situation in any society and any uh we're important >> well >> we are psych >> why are we import most women are just

Brian Atlasconsumers in America They're they're just single women that consume. They don't >> So women is not important in a family. >> No, no, but hold on. Hold on. The argument is about the military though. And so

Brian Atlas>> there's places in the military that you can be uh yes, women, look, women can uh

Brian Atlasbe effective in support roles in the military. There's no doubt there. Uh but what we're talking about here is forced

Brian Atlasmilitary conscription. And um I mean look, realistically, women are not really as capable as men as it relates to uh being soldiers. Mhm. >> Who would

Gabrielle>> I agree >> who would watch ch the children if everyone went if everyone >> not everybody would be >> who would hang back like handicapped or like who would hang back.

Brian Atlas>> What I mean obviously in military conflicts not every single citizen is being sent to war all at the same time. Um so but you would agree that there's

Brian Atlaslike plenty of single women who >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. I mean >> I mean however if we look if if the

Gabriellestandard is you can draft a man who has children why can't you draft a woman who has children I don't see the issue >> I'm just wondering where the kids go like where do the kids go >> I'm sure that there would be one parent

Carrieleft yeah >> the the men can breastfeed >> they put a little thing on >> put put the bottles the pipes >> total I think we as women wanted equal

Carrierights and it should go across the board. We should be drafted. >> Yeah. Send them to the front line for >> I mean we wouldn't do so high. I mean I feel like it should be tested to see where we would belong. But >> you wanted to Sorry. Can I add

Nicole (AZ)something? Yeah. Cuz I grew up in a military family. So I I think women can be in the military. Do I think they deserve to be like on this like a SEAL team? No, not at all. Sorry. Um but I a

Nicole (AZ)lot of women are in intelligence. They're not just like working in a kitchen. They they're doing, you know, do I think that they have the same physical capacities as a as a man on the front lines? No. >> No.

Nicole (AZ)>> But women are we are they're smart and they're tactical. So that you see them a lot of it a lot of them in the Air Force. A lot of pilots. Um but in respect to the draft as well. Um yeah, I

Nicole (AZ)would say if if you wanted it equal, then you'd have to draft draft us as well. I would not like to be uh I'd rather stay at home, but uh I'll support my man in the military, man.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Look, there are obviously roles that women can exceed at in the military and and in some instances or perhaps even many instances, they might even exceed at it, possibly better than men.

Brian AtlasBut that that's a I don't think we're really the debate isn't about the capacity or ability of women necessarily. The debate about is about

Brian Atlasmen are subject to this thing, military conscription. Women are not. In order for men to be able to vote, they have to be subject to the thing. Women have the vote without being subject to the thing.

Brian AtlasIf we're going to pedestalize equality as some virtue or value in the United States, and that seems to be the case, I mean, that's the whole basis of women having the right to vote for the sake of

Brian Atlasequality. Well, thus airgo for the sake of equality, women should be subject to military conscription. And even then, even if we were to implement it, I think it would be in practice implemented

Brian Atlascompletely unfairly. For example, you would still have men who are drafted to the front line to face potential death, injury, maming, etc. And women would be

Brian Atlasdrafted to comfortable aironditioned office jobs that can be done by military service members. So even then it still wouldn't be fair. But

Brian Atlasat least for the sake of appearances of equality, yes, women should be uh women should be drafted. And if they're not, if I don't know, man, if it's 20 2030 and they're not drafted yet, just get rid women should

Brian Atlasjust get rid of the right to vote for women. Honestly, just get get rid get rid of it. But look, that's not my that's not my first position. My first position, women keep the right to vote, but they have to be subject to military

Brian Atlasconscription. But if we are like, you know what, we're just nah, we're not going to do it. Yeah, they can be dra they can lose the right to vote. I guess I don't know. >> I think that's I think that's fair. I think that's fair. And also, I wanted to

Gabrielleadd um >> this is like a funny topic, but women bear children, they breastfeed, they have periods. Like, >> these are all things that men don't >> have to do.

Gabrielle>> Well, can the government force women to do any of those things? >> Uh, no. Not. No, they can't. >> Right. So, what we're talking about, >> I mean, you just naturally do have a period.

Brian Atlas>> Well, are women actually doing that? I mean, we have a a uh possible population collapse. Women are waiting until their late 20s, 30s to have children, if they're even having children. They're

Brian Atlashaving children at below replacement value. Uh, so women actually aren't holding up their It's not even a duty really, but um the the social contract

Gabriellewomen aren't having children. >> Why? Why do you think >> feminism? >> I don't agree. >> You do you disagree? >> I disagree with you. I think that that is a full like feminism is real and it's

Gabriellea it's a real thing there, you know. >> Yeah, it's definitely real. Yeah. >> And I I see it, but it's so so blown up on media on social media. It's just like it's exhausting. Um like why don't we talk about like real stuff like

Gabriellefinancially like it is so hard to survive and I know I know where you're going with that. I know where you're going. Yes, getting married and um combining like your incomes with with

Gabriellesomeone else is the smart thing to do. Um but then it all like kind of falls back into not just feminism but just our generation in general. It's like

Brian Atlaseveryone is kind of lost and everyone's sleeping with people and >> so feminism >> I >> it all most of it traces back to >> I mean >> feminism.

Gabrielle>> Okay, I see where you're coming from. I just feel like men do contribute to it more than they realize as well. I mean it's >> Yeah, men men have ways that they need to improve. That's true. >> And I think women unfortunately

Gabrielleobviously feed into it and it's it's a it's a cycle. But yeah, I guess you're right. Feminism does ultimately contribute to that. >> Well, I mean, there's a there's a whole

Brian Atlasbunch of angles here as to okay, because you're essentially asking, well, why aren't women having children? Why aren't they doing this this uh this duty, I

Brian Atlasguess, although I wouldn't really frame it as a duty. So, I cite to feminism. Now, feminism has had multiple cascading impacts on why uh this has occurred. one

Brian Atlasyou mentioned financials. So financially you were saying well people are delaying having children because they're not in a strong economic position. They can't afford to have kids. They can't afford

Brian Atlasto have a house to etc etc. Um part of this is due to feminism. Now look I I'm not going to claim that all financial um

Brian Atlasall financial wos are due to feminism. there's other factors involved there beyond just uh this toxic ideology. But uh one of the

Brian Atlasbig things that we could look at is when through feminism you had essentially a doubling of the labor pool. And so look, I'm not saying women shouldn't have had the choice to be able to vote, but when

Brian Atlasthere's propaganda pushing women in that direction against family, uh if you double the labor pool, that's great for corporations. they have uh more leverage, they have more negotiating

Brian Atlaspower. If the labor pool is bigger, that drives wages down. Um and uh so in the past, you used to be able to support a family off of one income. And typically,

Brian Atlasthis wasn't some like, you know, in the 50s, some hot shot vice president of some uh mega corp. You could support a family on one income on, you know, you

Brian Atlasdidn't have to have a super glamorous job to do that. You could be in manufacturing and support a family. You maybe weren't living the most luxurious life, but you could do it on one income.

Brian AtlasNow, that is mostly impossible. Again, I'm not saying women shouldn't have had the choice, but a perhaps unintended consequence of this propaganda push, >> no, wait until your late 20s and 30s to

Brian Atlashave children. Focus on career, focus on education, be a boss babe, right? Don't get married. Delay, delay, delay. >> That is going to have a financial

Brian Atlasimpact. And so it's like interesting. On one point, women will say, I want a guy who men and women should be paid equally, but then you ask them what they want on the micro level in their own

Brian Atlasrelationship. I want a guy who earns more than me. Well, it's very difficult if you want equality on the macro level, but you want an inequality

Brian Atlasuh you want equality on the macro level, but you want essentially inequality on the micro level. So, if you're a woman and you want to be uh stay-at-home wife, it's going to be very hard for men to navigate,

Brian Atlas>> right, >> uh, you know, the workforce and find jobs that pay enough because there are he he's not just competing with other men, he's competing with the vast

Gabriellemajority of other women, too. Uh, so there's that. I mean, there there's a whole bunch of reasons. >> It's a lot. Yeah, it's definitely a lot. And I think um being raised up in that

Gabrielleit's like you're just a product of your environment. Like your family, if they're not aware of this, they just tell you while as a woman, you know, growing up as a girl to wait to get

Gabriellemarried. Like like you were saying, like go to school d like I I genuinely only went to college because my my family really wanted me to go. Like I I wanted to think about it. I felt like I needed like a year to really think

Gabrielleabout it and I wanted to figure out what I wanted to do. Um, and I don't regret it. I love that I experienced that and d all the stuff. But um, and I am glad that I things happened the way they

Gabriellehappened because I am where I'm at now because of that. But when we are talking on a bigger spectrum, it's like yeah, like naturally everything just kind of started untying and unfolding and

Gabriellecrumbling because of things that initially happened. And because we we are now in the environment that we're in, we have no choice. Like like I was fighting for my right to vote earlier, it's because I'm sorry like

Gabrielleunfortunately just because of where I'm at now and I'm paying taxes. I just feel like I have that right. And it's like I if I was, you know, living in the 50s or the 60s or se, you know, whatever, maybe

Gabrielleof course my mind might be different. But because it's 2026 now. Oh my god. >> Do you do you consider yourself a feminist? >> I I don't know. I'm sorry. I actually

Gabrielledon't know. I feel like I'm a very traditional woman. I think >> traditional. Okay. >> I can sense your like natural desires coming out of like >> people naturally. I'm a Christian woman.

Kayla VoidI I really want like I want to raise my my children like >> and most women do. I don't think it's it's not men versus women. Well, it is, but it shouldn't be. It's actually

Kayla Void>> the way to even get close to starting a plan to a solution is that we have to realize it's humans versus the system that they've put us in. >> Absolutely. >> So, I understand what you're saying with, okay, you want the right to vote

Kayla Voidbecause we're in a situation where we really can't even get out of anymore because it's so screwed. Um, I don't know if you have any suggestions on what you would do to get out of this. Um,

Olympia>> Brian, fix the government. I believe too that our society is very broken with the values because

Olympiaum even little kids, you're raising little girls with a very high expectation

Olympialike always get the best, always the most expensive, always the most when we should to raise our daughters, not only our daughters, our sons too,

Olympiabut our daughters is like to be more humble to be more humble to today in this society is like oh if he

Olympiadon't have a beautiful the best car I cannot even look at the man I cannot even date that man because he don't have

Olympiathis this this and you're and we're creating new people with this mentality that the reality is not that you know

Olympiait's it's Um I I believe that we should to uh raise children more more humble

Olympiamore humble. I grew up in a family where um you know um farm where our children are

Olympiawas more humble people. You don't buy the things because it broken. It get broke and you just throw it in the trash and buy another thing. No, you fix

Brian Atlaswhat it get broke. >> Here, why don't we do this going around the table? Are you a feminist? >> No, >> I guess not. No, no, >> no. >> No. >> No. >> No.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, okay. You might be a feminist. >> Do you think I am? >> You might be. You said you're trans. So, you said you're Christian. What denomination of Christian are you? >> Non- denominational. >> Okay. Do like do you go to church? >> I mean, I was I was baptized Catholic as a baby. My boyfriend practices

Brian AtlasCatholism, but >> Okay. Um, let's see. Do you think we live in a patriarchy?

Gabrielle>> I I don't I actually don't have an opinion on that because I have a I have a bit bigger idea than that. Like I don't think it's a male versus female thing. That's not where my mind is. >> What is it?

Gabrielle>> I just think it's a billionaire versus we all suck thing. They hate us. >> The have yachts and have nots. Um, >> right. >> Uh, okay. >> It's just like we can't win. I'm sorry.

GabrielleLike it just sucks. Like we can all have these opinions, but it just sometimes it just feels like it doesn't matter. And that's where I am with it. It just I feel exhausted. I feel sad and tired and like I feel like I wake up every day and

Brian Atlasjust like work and I'm trying my best and I want to live the traditional lifestyle, but I and I'm getting there. But >> well, when we're talking about

Brian Atlaspatriarchy, this would be I mean there's different definitions, but um it would

Gabriellebe in a more strict sense ruled by men. >> Okay. Would you object to that? >> I feel like we are. Are we not? Like we have only have a male president.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, you do think there's a patriarchy. >> I still feel like I don't have an opinion. I'm so sorry. I just like I'm I just feel like it.

Brian Atlas>> Do you think it's bad or wrong or in some way oppressive >> that we've only had male presidents and we haven't had a female president? >> No, I don't feel oppressed by that. >> Okay. because we still have the

Gabrielleopportunity to to go for it if we want. And I I mean, >> sorry, that was really embarrassing. What >> Camala made us look She made us look like clowns. Why Why are we twerking at

Gabriellea presidential election? Like, >> did you vote for Camala? >> I did not vote for president. >> Well, let's say you could have voted or you could vote. >> I could have I could have voted. Oh, if I could have. >> Yeah. Would you vote for like if you if

GabrielleI was if I needed to vote for one? Well, would you have voted for Camala or Trump? >> I would have voted for Trump just because optically it looked like [ __ ]

Brian AtlasIt was embarrassing. I mean, >> okay. Well, what about it before uh before she dropped out? Let's say it was Biden. I guess that still would have looked like >> Oh my god, >> that still would have been bad.

Gabrielle>> Of course. >> I just feel like it's all a joke. It's all a joke. Why are we not having like real real presidents like real like educated people like doing these jobs? Like it's all billionaires.

Kayla Void>> Uh Kayla, you wanted to >> Why do you think she had uh who was it? Megan the Salion or who was >> We all know she's trying to younger generations though, not just women. I I have >> It's majority women. Can you agree with that?

Gabrielle>> Um >> cuz men don't care about that kind of stuff. >> Younger men might. I think a lot of younger men are are more >> You think they're becoming more feminine? >> Yes, >> that makes sense under that

Kayla Void>> circumstance. Yeah, but I don't think when she hired that person to twerk at her event that she was targeting male voters, >> right? And I don't think she was targeting male voters, but I'm not

Gabriellesaying that she was only targeting women. She was targeting young people because even as a woman, being a mature woman, I know that that looks embarrassing. >> And whose vote is the easiest to sway? It's young people and women. So, that is who she was targeting

Gabrielle>> and women. Sure. But I just still don't agree with that. I think it was mostly just towards the younger generation because even as a woman, even all my female friends like were just like that is so obnoxious, >> right? And it's it's just manipulation

Shanteat the end of the day. It's not really >> it just looks weird. So you would have not voted you didn't well you didn't vote but you would if you had to have voted you would have not voted for Kamla just because of the optics versus she

Gabrielledidn't have any policies like actual things that would be relevant to >> I mean it was just clear it was just clear that she didn't know what she was doing by trying to do that it looked it just I don't even care like at that

Gabriellepoint it's like you obviously don't know what you're doing if you think that that's your route that you got to take like you obviously don't know what you're doing like you need to you need to show me that you're educated and that

Gabrielleyou're set for this position. You're showing me the opposite of that by doing that. And that's what I took from it. Personally, I think it was a really dumb move. I think that she there was so many she had so many so much money to like

Gabriellespend on marketing herself and there were so many smarter and better ways to do that besides twerking on a stage. >> We have uh Chloe, you're going to read the chats. We have some chats coming through.

Chloe YummyUh single tipper. Thank you, man. Um, this feels circular. How does women um, voting hurt society?

Brian Atlas>> I think we probably addressed that. That came in That came in about 30 minutes ago when you guys were uh, discussing it. Um, Kayla, did you want to just do a quick answer to that or

Brian Atlas>> I think we covered it. >> Covered it. Okay. All right. Single tipper, thank you very much. Uh Jimmy Jamba James, thank you very much for your message. Uh read that for us.

Chloe Yummy>> Blue sweater. Do you think the cleavage maxer is faking her voice? >> I don't think so. I used to think women, you know, fake their voice for stuff

Kayla Voidlike this. But I don't know how anybody could talk like that for seven straight hours. >> What if Chloe has like a really deep voice? >> Are you faking your voice? >> No.

Brian Atlas>> No. Try to Can you try to speak deep or even normally? I guess. >> Hello. >> The same. >> So the same. All right. Uh All right. Thank you guys for the messages.

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Carrienow h uh going to ki here. Uh so you're a single mom. Yes. >> Did you get paid child support? >> No. >> Uh custody. What's the custody?

Carrie>> Uh I have my daughter technically like I live with my mom still. I can't afford to live by myself. So >> full custody. >> Yeah. Yeah. She's with me full-time. I lost her for eight months but when she

Carriewas three. >> Why? Um, I tried to unal alive myself. I went a little crazy that whole story earlier.

Carrie>> That was that was that time. So, I was a completely different person back then and I went to get my head right. I was in the hospital for about 3 months and now I'm

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, there's no child support. >> No child support, but she's with me full-time. >> Okay. Um, so you've been single for 13 years? >> Yes. celibate for over 10.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, it'll be 10 exactly in July. >> And you say mostly by choice. >> Mostly by choice. >> Um, so in 10 years in So wait, 10 10 years that would be 2016.

Carrie>> Yeah. >> So you've not Was was it Trump term one the last time you had sex? >> It was actually >> or Obama. >> I'm pretty sure it was Oh [ __ ] I don't

Carrieremember. It was Was it Trump? I think it was Trump, right? >> Well, hold on. >> Trump. Wait, hold on. >> No, maybe not cuz I remember it was a

Brian Atlasmusic festival and I took office. >> Wait, Trump took office in January of 2017. >> Okay. Yeah, I was going to say because I remember when the job that I had at that time, I came back from this music

Carriefestival and I had so many of my co-workers freaking out that Hillary lost. So, yeah, it was definitely before Trump. So, the last time you had sex was the Obama administration. >> Yeah. >> And nothing.

Carrie>> Nothing. >> Not even a blowy or a handy. >> Nothing. I tried to kiss somebody once and it was really embarrassing cuz I didn't know how to work my tongue yet. >> Oh my god. >> So,

Carrie>> oh, >> uh, so do you consider yourself a female? >> Not really. I mean, I'm not angry about it. I'm not bit angry, but I mean

Brian Atlas>> I guess >> so I guess Yeah. Like by definition involuntary celibate. Yeah. I guess >> you're not involuntary. >> Yeah. It's like >> it's by choice. >> Yeah. Both. >> Yeah. Okay. I don't think you're a female. Um >> Okay, good.

Brian Atlas>> You say the reason for the you being celibate for 10 years. The reason for this is a multitude of things. Uh you said the main thing is you're an ex addict. >> Yeah. >> Uh you gave it up 13 years ago. You

Brian Atlashaven't looked back. uh almost complete sobriety, but you take some prescription meds. >> Yeah, I take meds. >> You said you have you have BPD, >> borderline personality disorder. >> Yeah.

Carrie>> Uh but you're not one of those people that use your disability as an excuse to act like an [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> Uh what just curious what drugs? What was your poison? >> I pretty much everything but meth. I was

Carrienever into meth, but like heroin coke. >> Heroin, coke were my main ones. like shooting. >> Yeah, both >> good times. >> It It was >> Do you still Question for you, do you

Carriestill crave it? >> No, actually I don't. Like I said, on my job, I work as a narcotics tech. Not Not even a single like >> it's weird. It's like I was able to

Brian Atlassection that part of my brain out. Do you feel like after uh the addiction and overcoming it, do you feel like the light has been dimmed?

Carrie>> Does that make sense? >> It does. And yeah, I do kind of. >> Yeah. >> It's horrible. It's horrible. Like it's like people who say like dry drunk when they're like, you know, they have that in their mind. I guess like my mindset

Brian Atlasstill like I look back I'm like gh it's so boring now. But >> you wrote that um now though when it comes to you being celibate, it's because people tend to be interest the

Carriepeople you tend to be interested in tend to not like you. Yeah. >> Why is that? >> My looks usually I'm I'm weird. >> You're weird. >> I know that. >> I look like you're stereotypical. I got

CarrieI got the nose ring. So >> yeah. Okay. >> And I tend to gravitate towards more cleancut which is weird. You like clean cut guys? >> I like clean cut. I do like tattoos

Brian Atlasobviously, but like Yeah. >> Um,

Brian Atlas>> you uh you said that you would never date a full-on liberal. >> Never. >> Uh, more conservative men don't like you because you fit almost every every stereotype when it comes to looking like a liberal. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> You you write that you're over you're an overweight white woman with piercings, tattoos, body mods. So, you have the permanent fangs. to show those uh pointed ears and the split tongue. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> And sometimes colored hair, though you've kept it pretty natural as of late. >> Yeah. After the whole blue-haired thing came around, I was like, "All right, um >> I could at least change that." >> And you you said you hate organized religion.

Carrie>> I do. I think I've seen so many of my friends get sober and just completely lose their mind to religion. >> It's like What do you mean lose their mind to religion? >> It's like they traded one addiction for another. So now it's like

Carrie>> they're addicted to >> religion like God and it's it's >> weird thing necessarily. >> I mean maybe not bad for them like hey if it works but it's it's just weird. It's giving culty vibes

Brian Atlas>> but like I I'm addicted to breathing. >> Yeah. >> Is it bad? >> No, that's not bad. >> Yeah. So I don't know if like if something is good for you if it would

Carrienecessarily be bad. And I don't know if is it fair to actually categorize it as an addiction to religion? >> No, it's not. It's not really. But it's just like I feel like especially with

Carrielike like AA for instance, like there's so many rules and stuff and it's like with any religion, it's like there's no gravitating out of it >> or you end up with I don't know. It's just like I see their mind frames flip

Carrieand I'm just like that's what's going to be in my opinion organized religion is going to be what ends the world at the end of the day. I I disagree. I think uh organized

Brian Atlasreligion would save the world. >> Yeah, if everybody could agree. But the problem is everybody thinks they're right. >> Uh so you're saying like Christians are

Carriegoing to go to war with atheists and Muslims? >> I don't think atheists really care, but yeah, like you know, Muslims think they're right and >> like every religion thinks

Brian Atlas>> Well, atheists definitely are not typically not all I mean uh well I don't know

Brian Atlas>> but yeah I think I think they're religion is just going to be what does it say in >> I mean so you think Christianity will be the end of the world

Brian Atlas>> no not necessarily like everybody collectively fighting each other >> I mean most wars fought today are typically at least in recency have not been religious wars. World War I, World

Brian AtlasWar II, Vietnam War, conflicts in the Middle East. Uh these are not religious wars. >> The Middle East isn't considered religious, you don't think? >> Well, for example, the United States

Brian Atlasinvolvement in in Iraq and Afghanistan. This wasn't like a Christian crusade against Islam. It was well, I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole, but it wasn't a religious war.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Yeah, I see what you're saying. >> You might say, look, the conflict with Israel and some of its neighbors or whatever um or its own internal conflicts that might have a religious

Brian Atlasmotivation, I guess, but um yeah, most most of the wars are not religious. Um so and then I would say that you know

Brian Atlasmuch of civilization uh you would have to credit to religion. >> No I I do definitely agree with that >> like western culture is is completely linked and intertwined with

CarrieChristianity. >> I agree. I think what the problem is like people are starting to so you kind of like mix like okay we were talking about the Bible earlier. The Bible has completely changed from what it used to

Carriebe. Like every rendition is slightly different than the next. Like she was talking about the Chinese changing things. Well, look at the Old Testament versus New Testament. Everything's changing in who's writing.

Carrie>> I mean, the New Testament hasn't really changed for >> from the Old way. So, like >> Well, yeah, but I mean, Christians follow the New Testament. >> Yeah. No, I know. But that's what I'm

Carriesaying is like it changed. Everything changes as time goes on. So at what point is it going to change like so much that it's >> well I mean there hasn't I mean in in

Brian Atlascertain Christian traditions like Catholicism and Orthodox uh Orthodox Christianity there really hasn't been change is my understanding.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. I mean, there's I guess certain uh I know that in certain Catholic churches, there's some heresy going on,

Brian Atlasbut I mean, I I think the main the the I I don't think that, you know, the Pope is all of a sudden going to be pro I mean, maybe it's possible they're going to be like,

Carrie"Yeah, abortion's cool. It's cool for women to be pastors. It's cool for, you know, to gay marriage is cool." I I don't think that they're going to be on board with that. I will say I don't think like when the end of the world happens because of religion, I don't

Carriethink Christianity is going to be like one of the like we're going to off everybody. I don't think it's going to be them. >> It's going to be more the strict

Carriereligion saying like okay like Christianity is almost too like loose if that makes sense. >> Well, I think Christianity will be the bullwark. Am I saying that right?

Brian AtlasBullwark. Hold on. Let me Google that. Make sure I'm using that right. Bullwark. Oh my god. Give me the definition. Hello.

Brian AtlasUh, a defensive wall. Uh, bullwark. Hold on. One sec. I got to make sure I'm saying this [ __ ] right. >> May I make her a question? >> One sec. >> Bullwark.

Brian Atlas>> Bullwark. Bullwark. I should never say that again. Um, Christianity will be the bullwark against uh the coming conflicts, I think.

Olympia>> No, I do. That I agree with. Yeah, >> I have a question. When you said that um that one person became from one addiction >> and they became like Christian and they

Olympiabecame to another addiction >> um maybe because they became in love with Jesus and they cannot stop speaking about it. That's yeah. >> But don't you think that when they was

Olympiain addiction doing drugs, they were destroying their body, their mind, using all these toxic things, and Jesus saved them from that. And now they're in love with God, and they want to tell the

Brian Atlasworld what God did in their lives. >> I'm glad it works for them, but like for me, I just Okay. >> Yeah, that's fine. Um, you said that you finishing up with your notes here,

Brian Atlas>> that uh your last ex was a huge piece of [ __ ] He was an addict. He was abusive. You name it. >> You had a uh this loser ex that it didn't work with. He cheated on you with your best >> friend. That's the story I told when you

Brian Atlaswere over there. >> So, you uh let me recap and just make sure I have all of it correct. You were at work 2 days after you had Oh, your best friend. You like invited her to stay with you because she was about to be homeless.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> And then uh two days after letting her stay with you when she was homeless, you had this long-term boyfriend. Uh so or she had a long-term boyfriend. >> Yeah, we both did.

Brian Atlas>> She was in a relationship. You were in a relationship. >> Uh you thought you were in the clear. You went to work and you she was looking after your daughter, too. Yes. While you went off to work. >> Yes. Um, her boyfriend

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> who you were friends with. >> Yes. >> Called you to con confess. They were fullon Eiffel Towering her while you were at work. >> Yes. And it had been going on multiple times. >> What's an Eiffel Tower for people who

Carriedon't know? >> So, one on one side, one on the other, and just her in the middle. >> And were they like high-fiving or >> Probably. I don't know. I guess I moved to the bed a few times. I think they were probably doing more than high-fiving, but >> And then you said you got revenge by

Brian Atlaspimping her out. >> I did. Yes. >> Um, and she's dead now. >> Yeah. >> From OD or something. >> Yeah, probably. >> When you say pimping her out, what does that mean?

Carrie>> Quite literally, like obviously I didn't want her to stay with me anymore. And I This was back in my shittier person days. So, I knew some people and some guys are like, "Hey, do you know a girl who would do this?" And I'm like, "Hey, I know a girl who needs a place to

Carriestay." And they're like, "Well, we can get a hotel room and I can never stay." So I And she was aware like you're going to hook up with this guy for this room and he's going to give you money. >> So is just one guy or was it multiple guys?

Carrie>> It was multiple, but she was aware. >> How many guys? >> Honestly, not that many. I would say probably total like five. >> And would you get a cut? >> Yes. >> What What was the the rate? >> It depended. Usually it was $200 just

Carrieoff the jump and then I would either give her 50 or 75 depending on my mood sometimes. >> 200 bucks you said? >> Yeah. >> Um where was this

Brian Atlas>> one socket Rhode Island? >> This was in Rhode Island. Okay. And uh did you pimp any other women or just >> No, just her. No, just her. >> So you got you you have a very interesting pimp

Carriestory. >> It was Yeah. Not my finer days. >> Lore. >> Not my finer days. lore. You know, you didn't find the game. The game found you. >> Yeah. You know, >> that pissed me off. You really pissed me off.

Carrie>> You had no desire to be a pimp, but you're like, "Well, >> exactly. >> She she [ __ ] my boyfriend." >> Exactly. Literally, I would never would do such a thing otherwise. I would never look at one of my friends and be like,

Brian Atlas"Oh, you should go." >> The cheating to pimping pipeline is real. Has anybody here ever been cheated on? >> Like everybody has. >> You've been cheated on. You cheated. Who's cheat? You ch You chote. Ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ched ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ched cheated. Cheddated.

Brian Atlas>> I've never cheated. >> Have you cheddated though? >> What the >> chedd? >> What's chedded? >> I don't know. It's a autistic way to say cheated, I guess. >> Nice. >> Um,

Brian Atlashas anybody here who's been cheated on considered pimping their the the cheating partner? >> I can't say that. >> I feel like Chloe would be a pimp. >> No, I would never do that. >> Chloe gives me pimp aura vibes. I would

Brian Atlasnever do that. >> Like she's a m what do they call the madame? >> Madam mad madame. Yeah. All right, that's cool. Um

Brian Atlasuh you said that uh I guess final thing from your note, you mostly agree with the show. Only thing you don't agree with is sex work. Uh to you is completely okay as long as it's safe.

Carrie>> Yeah, exactly. >> Was the pimping you were doing safe? >> Probably not. >> Probably not. Um, >> she did. I mean, I told her like, "Hey, you should probably use protection because the reason she was staying with

Brian Atlasme was cuz she was a horrible mom and like she didn't need to reproduce anymore." >> Ah, okay. Uh, yeah, the sex work bad convo is kind of boring to me to be honest. But, um,

Shante>> question. >> So, you say that your body modifications are preventing you from getting and dating a man that you actually like? >> Yeah, kind of. >> Did you mention having a daughter? >> Yes. Would you advise her not to do body

Carriemodifications? >> I probably would to an extent. Like tattoo is fine, but I'd say that I she should be fully warned with like what she's going into. >> Wait, your daughter's 17? >> She is. Yeah. >> Is she Is she dating? Are you familiar

Carriewith her? >> She's had one long-term boyfriend. They recently broke up, but other than that, no. I lucked she's nothing like me. Thank goodness. >> Does she have like tattoos or >> She's got some piercings, but I'll

Brian Atlaseasily like hidden if she wants to. Okay. Well, you bring up a good point asking her about that because uh you said you wouldn't date a liberal guy.

Brian Atlas>> You prefer conservative men. >> Uh but the you the way you look, it's fair to point that out. You had mentioned that and that you hate organized religion. Now, there are of course conservative men who are not religious.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> In terms of their politics, right? >> Uh but I feel like the ven diagram of >> I'm an oxymoron. I know that. It's like conservative men, a lot of them are religious, a lot of them are

Brian AtlasChristian. >> So I think you're going to struggle finding and then of course it's like >> that's why I've been alone for 10 years >> and you're not willing to >> No. No. Not. So >> what about the what about the septum

Carriepiercing? Lose the septum. >> Honestly, yeah, I can understand. >> You got to lose the septum at least. >> Yeah, >> you'll get laid tomorrow if you lose the septum piercing. I had to do like the hair was the first thing going to a semi-normal color hair. Okay.

Carrie>> Cuz I had like green hair since like 2014. So, >> you should you should have kept the green for the show. >> It would have been more striking. >> Um can Are you able to take the septum out now? Let's do an intervention.

Brian Atlas>> Probably. I don't know cuz my nails are >> We're doing a [ __ ] whatever intervention. Getting rid of the septum here. Oh [ __ ] >> Probably not cuz my nails are crazy. >> How does it here? Maybe um Nicole can >> I'm not going to make her stick yet. I

Carriewon't make her stick. >> We'll give you gloves. >> Maybe. Nope. Can't do it. >> How do you get it? How do you remove it? Is it >> It's easy. It clicks. Like if my nails weren't insane, I probably Yeah, it's a

Brian Atlasclicker. Just like But >> yeah, I think you got to you got to dress in a way. >> Yeah, but see, I'm lazy about all that. Like I don't want to do that. But I feel

Carrielike it takes extra effort to do the alt thing. >> Yeah, it Oh, it's definitely an effort, but I'm saying like I prefer looking how I want to look over getting laid, I guess, is what it comes down to. >> What about a relationship? Not get

Carrie>> I don't care about relationships. >> How so? >> Don't you have needs as a woman? >> I mean, not they make toys for that if I get desperate enough.

Brian Atlas>> When a woman Okay. Uh I don't know. I don't know. >> I'm just saying little easy things you can do almost instantly. I would say lose the septum piercing, lose some of

Brian Atlasthe piercings. Uh, dress in a different way cuz if you're trying to attract a more conservative guy, uh, you got to change the the the attire, you know. >> Yeah. No, fully. I I fully get it, but I

Brian Atlasdon't care. >> Um, I posted about this recently on my ex sort of related to this. There was this girl who had an alt appearance, you know, color in her hair, kind of her

Brian Atlasdress, some piercings, the way she did her makeup, and she was crying about how men are terrible. I'm presumably she got mistreated by some guy. Now, my position

Brian Atlason this, nobody should be mistreated regardless of how you look or whatever, how you dress, whether you're alt, you're punk, you're goth, whatever. You shouldn't be mistreated because of this. However, I think you have to be

Brian Atlasrealistic when you're moving in certain subcultures, in certain groups of people. There's going, you know, how you your appearance and then if you're dating people with that same appearance,

Brian Atlasalthough it seems like you're finding conservative men, these alt girls where it's like glorified to be a druggie and have a chaotic life and go to concerts and raves and all this [ __ ] And it's like, look, nobody deserves to be

Brian Atlasmistreated, but when you're moving in certain circles, you're going to encounter certain people that are probably not going to be the most sterling, virtuous people. By the way, just to be clear, I'm not saying that all people who are alt or punk or goth

Brian Atlasor whatever are bad. >> I know what you're saying. >> And there's definitely people who are cleancut who are terrible people, too. Uh, so but with that caveat aside, when you're moving in these kind of

Brian Atlassubcultures, like don't be surprised when you're emo, goth, druggy boyfriend is like a piece of [ __ ] >> And so, I mean, I guess credit to you.

Brian AtlasYou say you prefer dating conservative men, but uh in order to attract them uh I mean look, even conservative guys probably want like a what's the term for

Brian Atlasit? The the big titty goth mommy or what what is the >> the goth mommy thing or >> what what do you consider your look? Are

Carrieyou goth? Are you al I'm not goth. I don't generally I don't know. I'm just weird. Basically, usually usually I look like Adam Sandler. Like, usually I'm like,

Brian Atlasyeah, like my hair is a mess and like I wear scrubs to work and then I come home and I put on pajamas. >> Well, if you do want to seriously consider trying to better attract these

Brian Atlasmen, um, I mean, very simple steps can be taken in terms of appearance. Uh, getting rid of, you know, maybe >> the septum ring. >> Yeah, the septum ring's got to [ __ ] go. It's got to go. The nose piercing's

Gabriellegot to go. >> I disagree with you. >> Why? >> Like, you don't think that there's a conservative man out there like you were saying that would be attracted to her? She She's attracted to a cleancut guy

Gabriellewhen you would probably assume that she wants a goth guy by looking at her. You to assume that, but you can't assume that about like all conservative men. >> I mean, I can't make that assumption. I mean, I mean, >> most conservative men look, so yes,

Brian Atlasthere are probably conservative men. And again, when we're talking about conservative, that could just mean your political alignment. It doesn't always necessarily mean you're like more trad. Typically, if you're more trad, you're going to have a more trad appearance,

Brian Atlaswhich would tend to lean more towards being cleancut. But just realistically speaking, uh, most conservative men when it comes to appearances, um, I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's improbable.

Gabrielle>> Yeah. But what you disagree is >> I disagree because I disagree because I wouldn't recommend changing your appearance unless you want to. >> That's why I haven't >> like she doesn't want to and like her

Brian Atlasmain goal isn't to attract >> I would ditch the septum though. Just just saying. >> So like Yeah. Like >> why why Sorry. Did you want to continue?

Brian Atlas>> No. Oh, but I I guess my response is why is it that we can't tell women >> to do anything to make themselves be more appealing to men?

Brian Atlas>> Why? What do you mean? You just did. You can. >> No. No. Well, but you you object to you disagree with me saying that. >> Um, I disagree because

Gabriellelike that's I mean you're you're you have a right to Sorry. You have a right to your own opinion, of course. Like, and that's allowed. But like, she doesn't have to take it. Is

Shantethat like where you're getting at? But >> Sorry. >> Yeah. Go ahead. Go. >> You speak to the majority of people, even you, >> you look at someone, don't know anything about them. You don't know their background. You don't know like a guy just looking at her, if he's

Shantetraditional, >> he's off the bat going to assume certain things. Like if I'm walking down the street and a guy's walking towards me with a butcher knife, I'm not going to assume it's a chef. Right. >> Right. So, at the end of the day, and in her case, it may not be the case because

Shanteshe says she doesn't want to attract a woman, but if someone in her position, the way that she looks, wants to attract a man who's quote unquote traditional, >> you should make some modifications if you actually want that. Not just, hey, here I am. You have to accept me the way

GabrielleI am. Don't That's not how this works. >> That's very true. But she I I mean, I don't want to speak for She's right here, but it's like addressing >> No majority. I meant from from what I'm about to say cuz like I don't want to

Shantespeak for her but like she did just say that like that's not like the main thing like her main concern for her life right now >> and like she's not Yeah. Like she's not looking for a relationship. >> I get this. So let's take it off of her.

ShanteSpeaking to the majority though just someone who happens to look like her if they did not her wanted to be with a conservative man. >> I agree with you there. >> They would need to modify the way they look going out and being delusional and thinking like hey no this is the way I

Gabrielleam and you have to accept the way I look. That is true. >> Tough tough luck. Like that makes >> I was just speaking person like from this specific I was speaking to this specifically but I do agree with you. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Um yeah ultimately uh conservative men while not a monolith, they are going to

Brian Atlasprobably prefer a woman who is more cleancut herself. So I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's definitely

Brian Atlasimprobable. Um, and so it's it's a question of sacrifice. So you have a a to a degree a selfish desire to maintain

Brian Atlasa superficial uh aesthetic. You want to look a certain way. Um, and this supersedes

Brian Atlasthe desire to acquiring a loving boyfriend or husband. Yes. >> Which I find a bit >> uh >> I understand it's weird.

Carrie>> Interesting. Um, >> question for you. For the perfect man, would you completely change everything? >> For the perfect guy, >> perfect guy. >> Depends on what everything entails.

Brian AtlasEverything. No. >> Certain things. Yes. Uh, so he wants you to uh get rid of all your piercings. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Um, he wants you to dress more

Carriemodestly. He wants your hair to be colored naturally >> and uh I mean we can probably just leave it there. I think >> I generally do dress a little bit more modest. So yeah, that that would no

Brian Atlasproblem. >> Okay. Uh, I mean, I don't know what you guys think if it's fair game for a guy to ask a woman to uh get her tattoos removed. >> Yeah, I wouldn't go that far. >> Wouldn't go that far. >> And I do have a lot of shitty tattoos.

Brian AtlasLike, I will admit that. >> Were your tattoos acquired during your drug stage or after the drug? >> A little bit of both. >> What about the neck tattoo? >> This was done in August. >> You got Wait, wait, wait, hold on. The neck piece?

Carrie>> Yeah. >> Was done like six months ago? >> Yes. And I plan on adding more. >> And you want a conservative man. >> I'm not like strictly conservative. As

Carrielong as they're not a crazy liberal. Like that's that's my only >> So they have to be a Trump voter. >> No. No, they don't. No, just >> Okay. Well, they uh Well,

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