Brian DEBATES Feminist! Single Mom CELlBATE 10 Years? Open Marriage? Woman Pastor? | Dating Talk 285

Date: 2026-03-09

Duration: 7h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Gabrielle(guest)

SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_04Olympia(guest)

SPEAKER_05Carrie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kayla Void(guest)

SPEAKER_08Chloe Yummy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Shante(guest)

SPEAKER_10Nicole (AZ)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

Key MomentCarrie: single 13 years, celibate 10. Pimped out cheating best friend as revenge; friend later died.

Key MomentShante reveals one-sided open marriage arrangement

ControversyKayla reveals she has no problem with revoking women's right to vote

Key MomentCarrie: 13 years sober, lost custody after suicide attempt, now handles narcotics at pharmacy

QuoteBrian: 'she'll end up with a chubby Mexican drywaller who used to be addicted to opium'

Key MomentOlympia speaks in tongues live on camera

Key MomentOlympia: saved husband's life 3 times including from gun to his own head. Lost 19yo son in 2023.

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Chloe Yummy, Gabrielle, Nicole, Carrie, Shante, Olympia, Kayla.

Carrie's Celibacy and Revenge Story

Single 13 years, celibate 10. Ex had threesome with best friend. She pimped out the friend as revenge; friend is dead.

Shante's Open Marriage

One-sided open marriage explained. Husband free to date others.

Revoking 19th Amendment

Kayla has no problem with women losing right to vote. Extended debate.

Carrie's Addiction Recovery

13 years sober from heroin/cocaine. Lost custody after suicide attempt. Now narcotics pharmacy tech.

Olympia's Testimony

Husband was drug addict 5 years, saved his life 3 times. Lost 19yo son 2023. Speaks in tongues on camera.

Chloe's Trivia Failures

Brazil is in Africa. George Bush was first president. Pearl Harbor was in London.

Transcript

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Brian AtlasWelcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape. I'm your host, Brian Atlas. We're going to just jump right in. Go ahead and introduce yourself.

Chloe Yummy>> Um, hi, I'm Chloe Yummy. Um, I'm 19 and I do Only Fans, Instagram, and Twitch streaming. >> All right. Where you from?

Brian Atlas>> Um, I'm from Tennessee. >> Tennessee. All right. Like born there, grew up there? >> Yeah. >> Okay. And any college? >> No college. I just have a high school

Gabriellediploma. >> Okay. What about you? >> My name is Gabrielle. Um, I currently reside in Newport Beach. I'm from the Central Valley. I'm 25 years old.

GabrielleUm, I went to Fresno State, graduated in 22 with my bachelor's in Brian's favorite psychology >> from where? >> Fresno State.

Brian Atlas>> Fresno State. Um, and then, uh, >> my occupation. >> Oh, yeah. Occupation. Then we'll get to that.

Gabrielle>> Um, I'm a model, high fashion model. I uh my day job is serving and a barista. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> So, I have separate jobs. >> Now, uh about the psychology thing, >> Nathan, um about the psychology thing, uh when did

Gabrielleyou graduate? >> 22. >> 2022. Yeah. >> You got your bachelor's, you said? >> Yeah. And I also got my certificate in serving atrisisk youth. A certificate of what? >> Serving at risk youth. So like former

Gabriellefoster >> like serving them alcohol or >> no. Um just kind of like mentorship guiding uh former foster and former homeless youth. >> Okay. Uh

Gabriellehave you been using your psychology degree for your career at all? >> No. I think that it benefited me personally. I don't think it benefited me career-wise.

Gabrielledid not benefit you career-wise. Okay. >> If I wanted to further it, I probably >> Do you recall anything that you learned? >> I mean, yeah, I recall a lot, but it's

Gabriellelike nothing. It's all personal. It's like I learned a lot about like my own personal self and I healed a lot from learning.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Is there anything that you could relay to us? Is everything okay, Nathan? Uh, is there anything that you could relay to us that you learned?

Nicole (AZ)>> Probably nothing that you don't already know. >> Okay. What about you? >> Um, my name is Nicole. I'm from Mesa, Arizona. I'm 27 and I got a master's in

Brian Atlaslegal studies, but I'm currently on the job market. And what was Oh, I went to ASU. >> Okay. Uh, and you have for education.

Nicole (AZ)>> Oh, yes. So, I got my undergrad in sustainability and my masters in legal studies. >> What is sustainability? >> So, it's a I kind of regret choosing

Nicole (AZ)that. I originally went uh for physics, but I decided to change personal reasons. Um, but essentially I was working on system dynamics and city

Nicole (AZ)planning. Um, and then when I got into my legal studies program, I was more involved in like the criminal law, etc. >> Are you planning to become an attorney?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> But so you have a degree in a ma a master's in legal studies, >> right? >> Okay. And uh what I guess what is the application

Nicole (AZ)for that? >> So it was a lot different. I didn't have to take an LSAT or anything like that. I just had to write uh an essay and then do the application fee. And I originally

Nicole (AZ)was going to go for um environmental law, but then decided to change uh a little bit on because you can do what emphasis in the MLS program. Um and so a lot of people come and be parallegals

Nicole (AZ)after that and deal with HR. Um so I'm I'm kind of wanting to go more along that route and a lot less expensive than going to law school. Um >> Okay. >> But yeah. So, are you considering like ever down the road becoming an attorney

Nicole (AZ)or >> possibly? Yeah, I know they changed the LSAT a bit ago. I was more committed then. Um, but now as I get older and I want to really weigh my options out,

Nicole (AZ)especially with like the commitment of a whole law degree and I don't know, I want to get a be a mom and get married. So, I don't really like want to get into all that later. But, >> when did you graduate?

Brian Atlas>> I got it uh 2024. 2024. Uh give us one takeaway from your masters of legal studies.

Nicole (AZ)>> Yeah. So for legal studies, I would say uh answering legal issues and how to uh analyze fact patterns and util uh understand how the rules of evidence

Nicole (AZ)works, how the rule of law works, how to apply it. Um any like cases as well. I did a lot of case briefs and the main thing I guess uh they call it thinking like a lawyer

Nicole (AZ)but it's separating between the emotional and logical state cuz when you're a lawyer and you're dealing with a lot of sensitive topics it you kind of have to kind of stay you know you have

Carrieto deal with it and um so that taught me on how to deal with a lot of things like that. So yeah >> Kathy what about you? I'm Carrie. I'm 38

Carrieand I'm from Massachusetts, born and raised. I'm a pharmacy tech, specifically narcotics. And I never went to college. >> Okay. And sorry, you're from where? >> Western Massachusetts.

Brian Atlas>> Western Massachusetts. >> Worester. Worester. >> Worester. >> Worcester. >> Okay. Uh, and you have uh some body modifications. Is that correct? >> I do. Yeah. I'm a little weird. >> Why don't you give us a list of the body mods?

Brian Atlas>> All right. I got things. I got a split tongue and >> uh into this camera. Show fangs. You have fangs. >> I got fangs. I got a split tongue and I have pointy ears as well. >> Interesting. Okay. How did they do the

Carriepointy ears? >> I think a scalpel. I don't know. I couldn't exactly see him do it, but I'm pretty sure he just kind of >> Okay, I see. And uh

Brian Atlas>> did the tongue hurt? We've had a few women on the show who've who have had the >> honestly no >> the uh tongue procedure and >> it did not hurt getting it done but healing was quite I have a kid too and I

Carriewould rather have like six children naturally than get my tongue split again just because healing sucked. >> Can you do tricks or how? >> No, I've gotten lazy. I used to be able to but like now I can just like I just

Shantemove it around. I can't really do anything fun with it anymore. >> Okay. What about you? My name is Shante. I'm 45 from New York and currently I make non-dairy ice cream and I'm a bartender. >> All right.

Shante>> And education wise, I graduated from high school, some continuing ed, but no formal college. >> Gotcha. And you used to be a stripper. Is that correct? >> Yeah. >> And you worked in the uh corporate world and done all kinds of different things.

Shante>> Worked in magazines. I've had pretty much every night job imaginable. Graphic design work. How long have you uh lived in New York City? >> I graduated high school in New York

Brian AtlasCity, so I've been there for a very long time. >> Did you live the sex in the city life? >> I sort of kind of Yeah,

Shante>> sort of. Carrie Carrie Bradshaw >> in terms of being able to control my own time and like not have to abide by certain rules. Yeah. Which of the four women from Sex in the

Brian AtlasCity do you most relate to? >> You you strike me. You kind of seem like a bit of a Samantha to be honest. >> Yeah, I would go with Samantha. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Even though she wasn't the biggest 304

Shantein in the show, but >> she wasn't. >> No, Charlotte was >> absolutely. >> Wait, Charlotte? >> Yeah. On the DL. >> The dark-haired one. >> Yeah, the one that came up fall prim and proper. She was the biggest. >> I mean, look, there's a lot of

Brian Atlascriticize. There's a lot to criticize Charlotte over, but I mean Samantha was >> Hold on. Samantha worse. No, >> Samantha was way worse. She had that studly model boyfriend at the very end

Brian Atlasof the show and then she [ __ ] cheated on the guy in front of him and this s >> total cuck. >> I think hiding it all. >> He takes her back and she like they go

Brian Atlasto this party together. She goes up into the to the penthouse with dude >> smashes dude cries goes back down >> any >> but see real keep it on the deal

Olympiaanyways. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's crazy. All right. What about What about you? >> My name is Olympia. I live in San Diego, California. Um I'm origin from Halisco, Mexico.

Olympia>> Okay. Um I was a motivational speaker and now I became a pastor. >> Okay. And uh age?

Brian Atlas>> 46. >> How long uh have you been a pastor for? >> Five years. >> Five years. Okay. Um what what is the denomination of the

Olympiachurch? >> Uh actually I don't have a church. I had the calling as a pastor and apostle. Um I work I go preach different

Brian Atlasplaces, different states. I get a lot of invitations to preach the word of the Lord. >> So you evangelize? >> Yes. >> Okay. But have you been a pastor at a at

Olympiaa church at any point? >> Um to be honest with you, it's a question that a lot of people make my husband and I um not in this moment.

OlympiaIt's a lot of responsibility. It's a It's a very very hard work to deal with a lot of people. I can say that. But I love what I do. I love to work for God. I'm very passionate about

Brian Atlasit. >> But at at any point, had you ever been a pastor at a church? >> No. >> Okay, I see. Um, do you align with a specific uh

Olympiadenomination of Christianity? Um I it's an expression that Christian people we made uh that we born again. So

Brian AtlasI born in a church the denomination was Pentecostal. But no I I preach Jesus. >> But typically with some Christians, well

Brian Atlasnot just some Christians I guess but um with Christians you'll have Protestants, you'll have Catholics, you'll have Orthodox. Uh >> would you consider yourself a Protestant? Non-denominational.

Brian Atlas>> No, I guess not denominational. >> Non-denomin. And so do you follow I assume you follow the Bible scripture. >> Yes. Okay. >> I born in a family that was Catholic, but I'm not Catholic.

Brian Atlas>> You're not Catholic. >> I became Christian. >> My understanding, and look, I'm not an expert on this particular subject, uh, but I have a few friends, uh, who are Christian.

Brian AtlasMy understanding is women cannot be pastors in Christianity. What do you make of that? >> Um I don't believe in that. I believe

Olympiathat God choose men and women is not in the Bible any um verse that women cannot be a pastor.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Uh well I think the Catholics and Orthodox folks and certain Protestant branches might have a objection to that. Uh

Brian Atlasso I I do have a biblical passage here that I'd like to read. Uh I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man. Further, there are

Brian Atlasinstructions about women remaining silent in church. So given g uh and would you agree that the Bible is the breathed word word of God?

Olympia>> Yes. >> Okay. So can the Bible be incorrect? the people who write the Bible or

Olympiatranslate it can be wrong but I believe that the message the original message is not >> well what is the incorrect translation >> uh it depends like right now for

Olympiainstance it's a lot of they says that China because China is communist and they do not believe in Jesus they manufacture a lot of Bibles that they do

Olympianot put exactly what the Bible said. So, and that way, you know, those kind of Bibles are wrong because they not put in exactly what they should. >> So, you're they did it on purpose.

Brian Atlas>> Well, so you're saying that because China uh produces Bibles and because China is not a Christian country, therefore any

Brian AtlasBibles produced in China must surely be mistransations or erroneous or incorrect. But you would acknowledge that there are Bibles

Brian Atlasproduced in the United States and in Mexico and in other countries that and not just that but I mean the there's

Brian Atlasbeen debate on this particular issue for for millennia for hundreds of years. Um so so

Brian AtlasI guess what uh the the scripture I referenced what what is the mistransation

Olympia>> again I believe that in particular um I apologize for my accent. >> No it's okay >> in my English. >> It's all right. You're doing good. Um I

Olympiabelieve that China in this moment is uh not only China but I'm talking about the Bibles who is made it in China. Uh China

Olympiauh do not want Christian people there. They kill people who are Christian. They burn churches in China who are Christians. So they they do not want uh

Brian Atlassay the truth. I'm just going to go ahead and completely grant that whatever you say about China is true. But you would have to acknowledge that there are

Brian AtlasBibles that are produced outside of China that are faithful to the original meaning uh you know when it was written in what Aramaic and

Brian Atlas>> there are other translations I guess into Greek. Again, not not a total expert on this, but putting China aside now though, um

Brian Atlasyou are is your contention that Bibles written say in Europe, in Mexico, uh in the United States, those produced

Olympialocally, are those also mistransated? >> I'm pretty sure that is there are some people that maybe uh they're not 100%

Olympiatruthful, but Who is the people? The people producing the Bibles. >> People who are not who are against Christianity, who people who are uh not

Olympiathey do not believe in God, they don't want nothing to do with God. But for the most part, I believe and I had the faith that the people would do good job uh

Olympiatranslating pe um translating uh Bibles from the original um Aramaic or Hebrew. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> To to another languages, >> Aramaic, I believe. But um would you be okay if we can we just Google this because I'm certainly not an expert on this topic. I mean, you're are you

Nicole (AZ)Christian? >> Uh, I'm Catholic. I was I was raised Catholic, but I actually was away from the faith for maybe a decade, and I gotten back to it the last year. >> But you're a legal scholar. >> Um,

Brian Atlas>> to a degree, right? >> Yeah. I mean, I technically I have a mind of a master. Yeah. >> And I noticed you nodding your head a little bit while I was going over this. I don't know if you wanted to weigh in or

Nicole (AZ)>> um I mean, a little bit. I know um at least from what I've like learned uh especially like through my brother, he's helped me a lot um with the apostolic

Nicole (AZ)secession and why women can't be priests. Um and I I don't know the exact uh uh scripture that you quoted. Um cuz I'm not that great at scripture. I'm

Nicole (AZ)going to be honest. Um, but I think it's it's important when we talk about a woman being silent in the church. It's not that it's trying to demean women or like you can't speak. Uh, at least maybe

Nicole (AZ)for me, I see it as you're more kind of in like reverence for them and you are like kind of actively in worship and so you're kind of having that quiet time uh

Nicole (AZ)to reflect. Um, I've also done like veiling as well, but uh, yeah, I don't have that much of opinion on it because I don't want to stir anything up right

Olympianow. When I said that, um, I'm a pastor, it's not that I want to be a head or on top

Olympiaof a man or my husband for instance, he has the same calling of me, uh, pastor and apostle. We just God juices in a

Olympiavery unique way differently. But I'm not ahead of him. I'm not um I I believe uh what the Bible said and and he is my

Olympiahusband. He's the head of my family and I respect him. For instance, to come over here, I would not come here if he was not agree. >> Okay. Well, I mean, in any case, it

Brian Atlassounds like you're not you're not running a church. Um, you don't have a flock. Is that fair to say? Are you a

Brian Atlasstreet street preacher or what? How do you when you call yourself a pastor? What is it specifically that you are doing? >> I preach in the social media, Facebook for the most part.

Olympia>> Okay. >> Um, Tuesdays and Thursdays if you want to follow me, but I preach in Spanish for the Hispanic community for the most

Olympiapart. But I get invitations um to to go and preach different places like um

OlympiaTexas, uh LA, different places and Tijuana, Mexico cuz I'm bilingual. So I I get a lot of invitations to preach the

Olympiaword. >> Okay. So basically I'm I'm pastor uh that troubles I'm working troubling

Brian Atlasum bringing the gospel. >> So you you don't there's not one specific church that you are a pastor of but you have been invited to speak at churches. Is that correct?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Okay. And were those churches varying denominations? Um no can be uh

Olympia>> even were they episcopal Presbyterian? Well, I can say that for instance like when when you mention um these branch of

OlympiaChristianity which is uh what do you mention besides uh Catholic >> Orthodox >> Orthodox they have different uh they Christians they believe in Jesus they

Olympiabelieve in the Bible but they also remember this that a lot of people uh they have their own culture their own uh

OlympiaLike I I visit Israel um November, last week of November and I just find out that the monks of Orthodox they sing to

OlympiaJesus, they sing only with their thr. It was so amazing to hear it. It was so completely different and I was like wow they have their own way to worship. So

Olympiaum in that way I want to explain or what I want to say is uh even though different people has different uh feelings

Olympiaor idea they still believe in love in God they still believe in Jesus. So I do not uh

Olympiapreach only for uh certain um denomination. No. >> Okay. Uh I mean >> anywhere they invite me to speak about

Brian AtlasJesus, I go that's that's that's it. >> Yeah. My So my understanding I just did a quick Google search here is that there are some churches that allow it although this is controversial.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Evangelical churches, Methodist, some Methodist. I don't know if it's all all of these. Some Presbyterian, Episcopal,

Brian AtlasBaptist, Pentecostal. Uh but then Roman Catholic forbids it. Orthodox forbids it. >> Southern Baptist forbids it. Uh some

Brian Atlasconservative evangelical churches forbid it. Uh there's probably others. And it it says biblical reasoning often cited. Uh first epistle to Timothy 2:12. Paul

Brian Atlassays he does not permit a woman to teach or have authority over man. First epistle. Am I saying that right? Epistle to the Corinthians. 1434 to35 instructions about women being silent in

Brian Atlaschurches. Uh these groups interpret pastoral leadership as a role specifically given to men. Uh I don't know that's all I can really say on it though. That's the extent of

Olympiamy knowledge. >> And I respect that. I respect when when they invite me to preach for instance is there places that they says you cannot wear red lipstick.

OlympiaIt's okay to me. that want to stop me to say who's Jesus is >> I I respect the rules. >> All right. Uh Kayla, what about you?

Kayla VoidYour intro. >> Hi, I'm Kayla Void. I'm from Ohio, but I live in Los Angeles. Um I dropped out of college when I was 17 and I do social media as my job. >> Age

Brian Atlas>> 22. >> 22. Yes. All right. >> All right. Welcome everybody. Uh we're going to go Actually, you know what? Why don't I just do the introduction here? Actually, you know what? Let's just do

Brian Atlasrelationship status, then I'll do the intro. Uh, go ahead. >> Um, I'm single. >> For how long? >> For like 4 months now.

Brian Atlas>> Longest relationship? >> Three years during high school. >> Uh, and you were previously dating uh what was that rapper's name? I already forgot.

Brian Atlas>> Um, Young Gravy. Young Gravy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You talked about that last time. Is he still And he's dating. Is he still dating that other OF girl, Ari? >> Yeah.

Chloe Yummy>> Kitsa. >> Yeah, he is. And honestly, I want to apologize to Ari for saying um that he cheated on

Chloe Yummyyou and stuff. I feel like I shouldn't have um said that and I'm really sorry. So, yeah. Have you can did you continue seeing him like

Chloe Yummyduring that time period? >> No, he was super super pissed off at me for um saying that um on this podcast.

Chloe YummyUm and yeah, he really scared me, so I'm not going to say anything more. >> Like scared you? How so?

Chloe Yummy>> Um I don't want to talk about it. He just um yeah, I'm just not allowed to talk about it. >> All right. Uh what about you? >> In a relationship.

Brian Atlas>> All right. For how long? >> About 2 and a half years. >> 2.5 years. Is that your longest relationship? >> Yeah. >> All right. I actually saw I looked at your Instagram. I saw him on your

Brian AtlasInstagram. He's he's kind of a he's kind of a stud. >> He's kind of a Chad. >> Not going to lie. >> He's a Chad. Uh, don't don't lose him. Don't lose him. Keep you know. >> Oh, I will not. >> Oh, you think he's the one or what? Yeah, you should propose. You should put

Brian Atlasa ring on that. >> He's going to put a ring on that. >> You got Oh, yeah. Have you guys talked about it? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, don't. Hey. Hey, don't uh, you

Nicole (AZ)know, don't lose him is all I'm saying, you know. Uh, no homo. Okay. Uh, all right. >> All right. Yeah, I'm single. uh been

Brian Atlassingle for about 3 years and my longest relationship was around 2 years. >> Two years. And wait, remind me. I think I already asked this. You're Are you Christian? >> Catholic? Yeah. >> Catholic. Okay. Uh longest two years. Is

Brian Atlasthat the one that ended three years ago? >> Mhm. Yes. >> Okay. And uh let's see. H in that three-year period, have there been any guys in the picture? >> Nope. >> Is there currently any guy in the picture? >> Nope. >> Nothing?

Brian Atlas>> Nope. >> Chloe, >> just God. Any guys in the picture currently? >> No. I'm so lonely. >> Stop the cap. >> I'm so serious. I'm so lonely.

Brian Atlas>> She's so lonely. Oh, I forgot to do something on the computer. Um, why don't we do this? Everybody, can you guys just go around the table, share your relationship status, if you're single, how long you've been single. uh

Brian Atlasyou tell us about why don't you also tell us about your uh you know situations that you sent in the notes. Oh my gosh, the Well, I've

Carriebeen single for 13 years. Completely celibate for 10 in July. Kind of by choice, kind of not by choice because the dating scene's a [ __ ]

Carriemess. In the last relationship I was in, oh my god, my we were almost engaged. Like it was one of those like we're going to get married. He ended up having

Carriea threesome with another dude with my best friend while I was at work. they straight up Eiffel Tower, you know, that whole thing. Her boyfriend got, you

Carrieknow, he felt away about it. He started feeling guilty, so he let me know and um yeah, pretty much been sworn off since then. >> I'm so sorry. That's horrible. >> And I got my revenge in the end, so it's

Carrie>> What did you do? >> I quite literally pimped her out for a while, so I made my money at least. >> Wait, what do you mean by that? Well,

Carrieyou know, she she was living with me. I didn't want her to live with me anymore. So, I kind of got these guys who were like, "Well, she can come stay with me if she does this." She knew, like, she wasn't

Carrienot aware of the situation. She just didn't exactly know how much the ratio was. So, like I would get $200, I would give her like 50, 75, and I would keep

Carriethe rest, and she would have a place to stay for the night. M >> there's that. >> She wanted to stay friends with you after that. >> No, not really. >> Apologize to you? >> No. Well, yeah, she did, but at that point it was

Carrie>> Well, yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, but she did. She wanted to stay friends after sleeping with my ex and I was like >> And so did you walk in on them or did they tell you like >> No, her boyfriend who was part of it told me. >> Oh jeez.

Shante>> Yeah. >> Did you tell her about this before just now saying it on the podcast? >> She's dead. So, >> oh, okay. Wow. There you go. >> Oh my god. How did she die? >> I was just

Carrie>> I honestly don't know. It's probably an overdose, but we don't know. >> Oh my god. >> So sad. >> I guess. >> Okay, keep going. >> That got dark real quick. >> Me or >> Yeah, you you you.

Carrie>> Okay. >> Well, that's pretty much it. I mean, there was just he was a mess. And yeah, I've literally been sworn off since

Carriethen. I've I kind of was hooking up with a couple people in the meantime, but it's been even 10 years since I even bothered hooking up with anybody, so

Carriethat's it. >> Do you feel guilty at all for pimping her out? >> No, not at all. Like I said, she knew. It wasn't like she didn't know. So, >> yeah. >> Yeah. So, >> okay.

ShanteAnd then what's your relationship size? >> I'm married. Been married for seven years. Um, yeah. I don't know what else to say about that. Uh, yeah.

Carrie>> Keep it on this side, please. >> Here. Can you tell us more? You've been celebrated. Tell us about that. >> All right. So,

Carrieit's mostly because it's just I work. I live a boring life. I troll people on social media for fun and that's basically it. Have you met anybody that you're like that you had like a crush on

Carrieor you're interested? >> See, that's the problem is cuz like I'm 38 so I'm old and at this age I feel like everybody who's decent is gone. So I'm left with like people who are super

Carrieunattractive. Like no offense, we all got our things. I I will admit I'm shallow as a [ __ ] puddle. And yeah, like what do you consider decent? I actually my standards are not that high.

Chloe YummyLike they just got to be good-looking. good-looking, have a decent job. >> Like what type? Like you like guys with tattoos? >> Yeah, like weirdos like me >> pretty much.

Carrie>> Yeah. >> But they I'm old so it's all, you know. >> Have you ever had any dating apps? >> Oh my god. So I had Tinder for a while and like I used it for like free pizza

Carrieand stuff. I would just guilt people into buying me pizza and it worked. I got a couple of pizzas out of the deal. But there was like um like you would get like super likes on Tinder and I have a

Carriedaughter. She saw it and she was like, "Oh, this app's broken." Like there's no way you get super liked by this many people. So I got roasted by my daughter when she was like eight. That was that was fun.

Chloe Yummy>> I got banned on on Tinder because I was um I was 17 and I downloaded Tinder and I was like trying to find like a like um someone to take me to prom.

Chloe YummyThat's so innocent, though. Well, I guess not. They're going to be over 18. >> I was like, um, you know, there was like a few guys that wanted to take me to prom and like I wanted to be honest with them like about my age. So, I was like,

ShanteI'm 17. And then right when I like texted that I got banned. >> Okay. Yeah, that does kind of make sense cuz all those guys are going to be overage and that's >> uh married seven years. And

Shanteinteresting thing about my marriage is my husband's free to roam about the cabin as I say >> is what? >> Free to roam about the cabin. He can do whatever he wants. >> So you're in an open marriage.

Brian Atlas>> I wouldn't say it's open cuz I don't date other people. >> Okay. So it's closed on your end, open on his. >> Yeah. Well, yeah. He's not dating anyone currently, but >> but he can if he's so inclined.

Brian Atlas>> And is there an expectation? >> I don't control him. Is there an expectation that he disclose or communicate to you if he's having sex with other women? >> Oh, yeah. We have open communication fully. >> So, he has to tell you.

Brian Atlas>> He doesn't have to tell me. It's not >> So, he can just do whatever. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And during the course of your marriage, have you ever been with other men? >> No. >> So, you've been closed on your end the entire time?

Shante>> Yes. >> Okay. Uh, how do you feel about that? >> What do you mean? How do I feel? >> Are you okay with that? >> Yeah, I don't control my husband. So, when I met him, he was dating two other

Shantewomen and I liked him then the way he was. So, in my mind, why would I try to change him? >> Do you have kids? >> I do. I have a daughter. Not with him. >> Not with him. Okay. With a previous >> Previous Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, how long were you We'll get into that. You've been married seven years. How long were you with him total? >> With >> uh current husband. >> Current husband. I'm still with him. >> I'm still married. How long have you been with him total?

Shante>> Seven years. >> So I've been married seven years to my current husband. >> You met him and then the next day you married him? >> Pretty much. We got married very quick. Well, okay. So we were we dated for >> like 6 months before we got engaged.

Shante>> All right. So pretty. It was quick. >> Well, before you got engaged. >> Enga engaged. Married. Well, it was co so we had to delay the actual marriage because the paperwork took forever. Does that make sense?

Shante>> We met and >> What year did you guys meet? It >> was the end of 2018. Then we got engaged and we were going to get married and then we I delayed the paperwork. >> Be honest. Co happened. >> Okay.

Shante>> Yeah. >> Wait. >> So you got married during co >> the actual paperwork. Yeah. We got married the in 2019. Didn't do a wedding cuz I don't believe

Shantein spending all that money for ridiculous weddings. >> And then the actual filing. I'm just saying legally married. There we go. That's what I'm saying. >> Okay. Your previous relationship, how long were you with him? >> The with the the father of your child, I

Shanteshould >> uh we were together for two years and then broke up and then tried to get back together after my daughter was born and that failed and then broke up. She's 17 now.

Shante>> Uh how long together total you? >> Total we two and a half three years total together. >> Okay. Okay. The last year, >> were you guys married? >> No. >> Any previous marriages? >> No. >> Does he pay you child support?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Do you pay him child support? >> No. >> No child support? >> No child support at any point? Okay. >> Uh formal or informal? >> Who uh do you have full custody? >> No, he does.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Well, we we have split custody actually. We have joint custody, but he's a primary parent. So, in New York, you have to have a primary and then a secondary. >> So, he gets her during the week. you get her during the weekends or how does that

Shantework? >> We had a formal schedule uh when we first we had a formal schedule because he tried to take me to court for full custody cuz he was upset that I broke up with him and then we went to court and

Shantethey I wanted 50/50 so they gave us 50/50 joint custody and then we had a schedule when she was younger but now she's 17 so she goes where she wants. We live in the same town. I moved to make

Brian Atlassure I was near her. >> I see. And uh um do you do you earn more than him or does he earn more than you >> he earns more than me?

Brian Atlas>> I would think. >> No child support though. Interesting. >> No. >> Okay. Um >> I don't believe in child support. >> Reasonable. What about you? Relationship

Olympiastatus. uh married for we was a boyfriend and girlfriend for one year and then we got married. We're going to be 10 years. >> 10 years

Brian Atlas>> in July. In July. >> Uh longest relationship. >> Yes. >> This is your longest. So 11 years together to >> Yes. >> Okay.

Kayla VoidAll right. What about you, Kayla? >> I'm in a relationship. It's been about two years and my longest relationship was almost five years. >> Last time you were on the show, which

Brian Atlaswas like two weeks ago. Yeah, it was two weeks ago. >> You were single, but complicated. I'm assuming it's complicated with a guy who you now currently describe yourself as being in a relationship in.

Kayla Void>> Well, it is the same guy. And I would just count that we were on a break. >> On a break? >> Yes. >> The break's over, though. >> The break's over. >> Is there going to be another break, Kayla? Hopefully not. >> What's going on, Kayla? >> I don't know. We're going to see how it

Brian Atlashow it plays out. >> Okay. And uh let's see. How many times have you been on and off with this guy? >> A couple maybe a handful of times. >> Who initiates the off? >> It's always It's pretty mutual.

Brian Atlas>> Mutual? Yeah. >> What's the typical reason for the off? Just fight over [ __ ] or >> cheating or? >> No, not cheating. Nothing significant. just

Kayla Voidum I don't really know how to explain it. Just kind of nagging each other. Mostly me. Yeah. >> Mostly you nagging. >> Not nagging. Just kind of our lives are complicated.

Brian Atlas>> What What was the reason for the most recent split? >> Um I think we were just arguing more than usual >> about what?

Brian AtlasI don't want to get into it. >> Well, I mean, we don't need specifics necessarily, but what was the overarching theme of the disagreement? H

Kayla Void>> I'll just put the blame on myself of being too needy, too needing too much attention. >> Like he didn't text you back within 5 minutes. >> No, not like that. >> 30 seconds. >> No. >> Well, what what is >> After 5 minutes, I start getting pretty

Brian AtlasNo, I'm kidding. >> Um, is there jealousy involved? Was he involved with other women or >> No, no jealousy. No, none of that. Just >> How long were you guys on a break for? Uh,

Brian Atlas>> about two months. >> Two months. Okay. >> During that period of time, did you see any other men? >> No. >> Did he see any other girls? >> I don't know. And I don't care.

Brian Atlas>> You were on a break. Broken up. Broken up. >> We were broken up >> technically. Okay. Would that upset you if he if he uh had been with other women? >> Um stuff like that doesn't really upset

Brian Atlasme anymore. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um who initiated the the back on again?

Brian Atlas>> Was that you? Was it him? Mutual? >> I have no idea. Honestly, it was Mutual. We just started hanging out again. >> Wait. And if I recall Yes. Even though you guys were broken up, you guys were still hanging out. >> Yes. We can't stay away from each other.

Brian AtlasI don't know what's going on. >> So, you guys would be broken up but having sex? >> Yes. >> But broken up. >> Yes. >> But still, >> we were pretty much >> spending.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. All right. >> It's uh complicated in 2026. You know, >> I tried telling you that. I was like complicated. >> All right. Um that's everybody's relationship status. You know what? Before I do the intro, I want to get

Brian Atlasinto an interesting topic, then I'll do the introductions. Uh, really quick here, uh, because we have, uh, do you have citizenship in the United States? >> I do.

Brian Atlas>> All right. And is it through your husband or did you become a naturalized citizen or what was the process? >> Actually, I'm in the process. I have my residency. Resident resident >> residence.

Brian Atlas>> Resident >> uh, green card or >> Yes, green card. >> Okay. But you are your plan is to become a United States citizen. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh and you're from Mexico.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Uh I see. Uh okay. Question for you. Uh when I'm wondering how to best frame this.

Brian AtlasI'll ask the question. I got to write it down here. So let's say once you become a citizen of the United States perhaps or perhaps even now you're on the pathway to becoming a a citizen of the

Brian AtlasUnited States, let's say in a morally neutral, blamefree hypothetical conflict between the United States and Mexico

Brian Atlaswhere neither side is right or wrong, to which country is your allegiance? >> America. >> Oh, okay. All right, that was easy. Uh,

Brian Atlasanybody here have like your parents are immigrants or anything like that? >> My great great great grandparents or not. >> Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it then. All right. Just curious about that.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, let's see then. Where do we want to >> I probably will get a lot of hate for that, but >> I don't care. >> Well, I mean, you look to become a United States citizen, you got to take the you're going to have to take the

Brian Atlasoath of allegiance. you have to renounce any feelalty, loyalty, allegiance to uh Mexico, at least from a political perspective. You can obviously have

Brian Atlaslingual ties, cultural ties, familial ties that remain, but your political allegiance must be to the United States of America. Um any in any case, you

Brian Atlasalready you're you're down with the cause, so USA. Uh let's see here. We're going to jump right into something. Uh, okay. Kayla, let's see.

Brian Atlas>> Oh jeez. >> I'm just uh You want to revoke the 19th Amendment? >> I said I don't have a problem with it. >> She doesn't have a problem with it. >> I'm not going to make the rules, but I wouldn't have a problem with it. >> She wouldn't have a problem. So, just

Brian Atlasfor clarity for for the panel, the viewers, the 19th amendment is the amendment which granted women the right to vote, women's suffrage. Kayla here, being the m misogynist that she is,

Brian Atlaswants to uh well, excuse me, has no problem with it. So, it's not clear if she would actually take affirmative steps to see it actually happen, but if it did happen, she wouldn't complain. Is

Brian Atlasthat fair to say? >> I would say so. I think if a man initiated it, I wouldn't have a problem with it. >> She would not have a problem with it. Okay. Some people, you know, look, I don't know where I personally stand on that. I might be more feminist than you,

Brian Atlasbut do any of the panelists have any thoughts on that? >> Wait, which one? Amendment? Sorry. >> She wants to essentially she Well, she says she has no problem with women losing the right to vote in the United

Nicole (AZ)States. >> Vote. >> Yeah. To vote. >> Go ahead. >> I wouldn't really care because uh we make amendments and revise them and take them out. So if that's the way they

Gabriellewanted to go and it went through the process, then I don't care. >> Anybody? >> I disagree. >> Okay. Why is that? >> I think if you're a citizen of the United States, you should have the right

Gabrielleto vote. Um, no matter what. I mean, I know I think I remember

Gabriellepreviously that Andrew was talking about when women could like their vote only mattered if they were like married like you had a family vote, right? Was that

Gabriellelike a thing? Like if you were married in a home with a man, like you use your home and that's your vote. >> So like I can understand that aspect maybe if that's where you were coming

Gabriellefrom. I'm not sure where you're coming from, but I disagree. I think that Yeah, simply if you're a citizen, you should have the right to vote.

Kayla Void>> I just think based on the So, I'm super for nuclear families, um, kind of how America used to be. I wish we can go back to that. I don't see that happening anytime soon, but just based

Kayla Voidon those standards, typically it doesn't make any sense for a woman to have the right to vote because if she did, um it there's no point of going against your own husband.

Gabrielle>> I agree. Um just that's just not the case like realistically right now with like our world now in the US, right? >> Like you know, I live in an apartment by myself.

Gabrielle>> I pay my own bills right now in this moment. It's like I have the right to vote. I pay to be I I pay taxes. I I work here. I pro like, you know, I add

Kayla Voidto society. I benefit society. So, I think I deserve my right to vote, you know. >> And you have a boyfriend, right? >> I do. >> Um, do you guys plan on getting married? >> Yeah. >> So, when you guys get married, are you going to vote against him?

Kayla Void>> Why Why would I vote against him? >> So, why would you need the right to vote? >> I would only marry someone that I have the same views as. So this is this is perfect. There in an ideal United States

Gabrielleof America, there would be no reason for you to need to vote because you should be standing behind your husband essentially. >> I still disagree because I'm currently not married. So I deserve the right to vote in this moment. So when I got when

GabrielleI get married to the man that I'm with right now, because we have the same views, >> I wouldn't mind sharing a vote. That would be fine if we were married, but we're not. And I again like contribute to society. I think I in this moment I deserve the right to vote.

Gabrielle>> Okay. >> But I can see where you're coming from. And >> um but yeah, I just don't know where that would make sense in the current day and age. >> So I think would you like to get married to your husband faster? Would that be

Kayla Voidideal? >> I would go to the courthouse with him right now and marry him. Yeah. >> So it's my belief that if women didn't have the right to vote, our society would be set up in a way where women could be getting married younger faster.

GabrielleAnd I think that would actually help you. if that makes sense. >> Could you see where that would be beneficial? >> I don't think that I would have chosen

Gabrielle>> right uh like as an 18-year-old if I married someone that I just dated. Like I and right now I would like looking back that's would have been the worst

Gabrielledecision I ever made if I just married whoever I was dating when my frontal lobe wasn't even fully developed. >> Okay. So it just seems like we have like different goals for the outcome of the country then. And

Gabrielle>> I don't agree. I think that I agree with the goals of the country. I I I'm on the same page as you. I do believe in a traditional family.

Gabrielle>> I like I want that more than anything. Um but again like I was not making great choices, you know, in college. I didn't know what I wanted and I didn't I didn't

Kayla Voideven know what I believed in. So, how could I pick a partner that >> How are you going to vote correctly if you couldn't even pick a correct partner when you were 18? >> Same for a man, though. Um, >> but men can men are smarter when it

Gabriellecomes to this kind of stuff, making decisions for how our country >> that I think that like her like she went to school, got her masters and what was it? Legal >> legal studies.

Kayla Void>> Like she knows a lot more than a man would in that department. >> Okay, that that's fair. I think most women at 18, if you're saying that you weren't even able to pick a correct partner when you were 18 years old, I

Gabrielledon't understand why you'd be able to vote in elections. It doesn't make any sense to me. Could you explain? >> I understand where you're coming from. And to be honest with you, I didn't even vote until this last election because I

GabrielleI made the choice that when I was younger, I knew that I wasn't prepared to vote because I was uneducated. >> Um, and I knew that. So, that's just my personal thing. I mean, I understand

Gabriellewhere you're coming from, but I think if your bless you, >> um, I think that what you're passionate about, like, or

Gabriellewhat you want to educate yourself on, like, you spend the time on, you study, um, you get to know it. Um, >> so, do you think you should have to pass a test to be able to vote? Are you open

Gabrielleto raising the voting age? >> I think that's a great idea in regards to passing a test. I think that we should test the knowledge of Americans. I mean, we're all in our phones

Gabrielleconstantly. Um, I feel like, this is horrible to say on stream, but like I feel like I've honestly gotten dumber as years have gone because I'm addicted to my cell phone. I cannot get off my cell phone.

Kayla Void>> And that is actually one of the biggest problems um as far as it comes to women voting because women are way more susceptible to being >> Americans, not just women. And to a lot of people, anyone that has a cell phone >> to being manipulated, well, just women

Kayla Voidin general are more easily manipulated. That's why they actually got the right to vote in the first place because they wanted to or people basically the same people that pushed the

Kayla Voidpropaganda for women to be able to vote are the same people that wanted to use them as a political group because women are just super easy to manipulate. And

Gabriellebesides that, there's actually no reason for us to vote, if that makes sense. Um cuz we we don't care about >> why why can't women vote on pro-life then? >> Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

Gabrielle>> Um personally I'm pro-life personally. >> Okay. >> I would not I would not get an abortion. I would never do that. Um I believe that there's exceptions like

Gabriellerape and incest, but on here I've seen that there we don't talk exceptions. We talk whether you are or not. So I'm pro-life. Um, it just makes me sad because I do think that, you know, if

Gabrielleyou're raped or like or you know, incest or whatever the case is, I think you do have the right to like handle it however you need to. Um, unfortunately, but I

Kayla Voiddon't agree with that. I I can resonate with the exceptions and everything like that, but if you are prolife and most women are voting against that,

Gabriellewhy would you want women to continue to vote? I don't I I think like I said, if you're paying taxes, if you're contributing to society, you have a right and if that's her if that's what she wants to do, then she wants to vote for that, she can.

Gabrielle>> Do you think that's a better country for women to be absolutely the United States? >> A bunch of >> um >> because that's really the trade-off that you're getting.

Gabrielle>> I mean, that's not the only I understand what what you're saying. Um >> what other benefits do we have for women voting as a country? And how does it push you towards the

Kayla Voidgoals that you want to have as far as marrying your husband and having kids? What do you what benefits does the country get from women voting? I just don't understand. >> I don't want to sound like a conspiracy

Gabrielletheor theorist, but like I don't even think that our votes matter a lot of the time to be honest. So it's like this conversation feels like >> theatrical. Yeah. It almost feels

Gabrielleuseless, but I understand everything you're saying. I just believe that if you're a citizen, you have the right to vote. If you contribute to society, if

Gabrielleyou pay taxes, that's where I stand. Um, male or female, it doesn't matter. If you're an adult, you have the right. I understand where you're coming from. I agree. Um, with,

Gabrielleyou know, if you're married, I think that'd be a great idea. Combine your vote with your husband, your family, your unit. So, you should be marrying someone that you have pretty much the same views on. I think it's fun to

Gabrielledebate my boyfriend. I love talking to him and hearing he I we change each other's mind often. I mean, we talk about a lot of things and we enlighten each other all the time and I really adore that about my relationship actually.

Gabrielle>> So, I do see where you're coming from, but I I think it's really special that we're we're each an individual person. We each can vote individually based off of our own personal experiences and life choices.

Kayla Void>> Do you think women desire to go out and vote or do you think that they're being pushed to do so because they are so easily manipulated? Because >> I don't think anyone desires to go vote.

Kayla Void>> I don't either. And especially women. um you know before the 19th amendment was even like established there was a poll done I believe and I think only 4% of women actually

Kayla Voidsaid that they wanted to vote or they had the desire to vote. So it doesn't make sense to me that everybody now is saying oh women should vote. Um and I don't really see the reason for it. I don't even think you really listed a

Gabriellereason for it other than the fact that you just want to have the option to. >> Why don't you think women should vote? like reason why like give me one good reason. >> We are emotionally so

Kayla VoidAmerica is supposed to be like a democracy, right? You vote for what you want. Um but if we have a political group, which I think women are just like a a group of people that are so easily manipulated that if somebody is trying

Kayla Voidto sway our country in a certain direction, they can just manipulate the mass group of women to vote a certain way. Um, and if we're, you know, constantly, like you said, like on TikTok or on Instagram watching reals

Kayla Voidand stuff, >> all of that stuff is pushed in a way to just sway votes basically. And they they couldn't do that to men as easy. >> They can and they do. They absolutely do. Everyone

Gabrielle>> I've never heard a man say, "I'm going to vote for him because he has a penis." >> But I've heard women say, "I'm going to vote for her because she's a woman." >> Like I I've I've heard that. I can I can understand where you're coming from, but

Gabriellealso women. on genitalia. >> That's how low the bar goes. >> Actually, I disagree actually because we've never had a female president. Um, >> and I think that's amazing. >> That's a great thing.

Gabrielle>> I'm not I'm I'm not saying I'm not even >> We dodged a bullet for sure, >> right? I agree with that. Um, >> but beyond that, men vote for their

Gabriellepresident based off of their genitalia, actually. So, that is wrong because >> I've never heard a man say that. >> Well, they don't need to say that. >> Why do you think that? Like what's the reason for you saying that? >> For like what part of it?

Gabrielle>> Do you think men vote on presidents for their genitalia? >> No, she No, she was making a statement so I was kind of combating it. >> Do you agree with that or no? >> Not not their penilia, but like male. Yeah.

Gabrielle>> Yeah. Why Why do you think they're more likely to vote for men? >> Men are better leaders and that as like head of the military and all that, >> right? I I mean, like you said, women are emotional and it's a scary position to be in as a woman. We're we're

Kayla Voidsupposed to take care of our children and our families. >> No, exactly. I think I think honestly if we just stripped your your algorithms away from you for like a week, I think and if you married your boyfriend and you, you know, had a couple kids, you

Kayla Voidwould really resonate with the fact that you don't want to vote and you actually wouldn't care if women have >> I agreed with you on that though. If I was married, I would be okay with that. But I just have the right like me me

Gabriellepaying taxes like I'm just fighting for the right because it doesn't matter what anyone's opinion is logically if I'm paying I shouldn't have to pay taxes then if you want to go there let's go there like I don't want to pay taxes then like

Kayla Void>> listen I think that that's a man it seems like a man's job to pay taxes >> it does sound like a man >> I think they should have the responsibilities and I think we should be submissive to them and not argue if we should vote

Brian Atlas>> because it just doesn't make any sense. Well, I have some thoughts on this. Go for it. Uh, you mentioned the paying taxes thing. >> Uh, what about though if it was

Brian Atlas>> whoever I don't know if we would do it by group, but people who were net uh tax, what's the best framing for not net taxpayers?

Brian AtlasUh, if you are net, what is the net tax? Oh, there's a specific term for it that's evading me. How about this? Do you think women should be drafted

Gabrielle>> for the military? >> I don't want to be drafted for the military. >> Fixit split, please. >> Um, no. I think that they need to hang back and hang with the kids. >> But so in order for men to be able to vote, they are subject to military conscription,

Brian Atlas>> right? >> A duty that uh women have no responsibility towards. So perhaps there's an argument there that while it is true that women are subject to the laws, well some of the laws of this

Brian Atlascountry, if we're assuming that military a possible military conscription scenario would only legally apply to men, they're not fully subject to all

Brian Atlasthe laws in the United States. Um but to be fair, 99% of laws women are subject to. And um but so women have no duty, no responsibility.

Brian AtlasMaybe there could be an and they do have to pay taxes like you said. Um although in totality I think women are actually a net tax burden in total.

Brian Atlas>> So women as a group, of course there are women who are wealthy who pay more into the tax system than they take back out, but women as a group are actually a total burden on the system. whereas men

Brian Atlasare a total uh >> benefit I guess is the right framing. >> Uh so perhaps we could do like a women's vote is worth like three three fifths.

Gabrielle>> I think that you made a phenomenal point. I think that's a great point. Um like women are not drafted. Although it like it just this conversation feels like >> gives you the ick.

Gabrielle>> It No, no, no, no. Not the ick. It feels like it it sucks because it's like we are going somewhere where women are like literally fighting basically they don't even realize to be drafted. Like we're

Gabriellegetting to a point there in America. So like you saying that it's like I am actually I do agree with you guys >> but it's like because of the position that I'm put in I have no choice but to fight for my vote to write. >> Like it's because of where I'm the

Kayla Voidposition I'm in that. >> And we were put in this position because women were given the right to vote though. So, don't you think if we took that away, we'd kind of improve as a country a little bit, maybe be in a better position as women? >> No, I think he I think uh Brian was

Gabrielletrying to go somewhere and I think he had like he was getting on a good point. I just maybe I I think that we should all have the right to vote, you know, individually until you're married. And then once you're married, I I mean, but

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