04:44:51JoJosupport Equity not equality though well I guess what yeah you have to Define what would that look like that's very different equality and Equity there equality would be like male female teams both are the same they get paid the same
04:45:02Natalie WintersEquity is fairness so one generates way more Revenue they get paid more that's Equity over how is that but then why did you have such an issue with movies that are getting less views making less money
04:45:13JoJono they're not getting less views that was my whole point they were there's two there's like so what's my point was you said you we were talking about the how are women getting less opportunity I
04:45:24Brian Atlastold you the top grossing films of 2017 30% of those films had no women in the back question Taylor so uh Taylor Swift I think is earns more than probably 99%
04:45:37Brian Atlasof male musicians what do you say to that it's fine why does she earn more than good for her well that's not fair to the 99% of male musicians who make less than her she generates Revenue
04:45:49JoJobased off like sales and things like that yes that was my well no that was my point with the movies generate Revenue based off sales no the I said back end I didn't say front end I keep saying this back end front like same okay so it's
04:46:01Natalie Wintersthe people working the cameras versus the people Onre mean back end back end of movies are the director producers um cinematographers yeah she say you are picking like first of all the year 2017
04:46:14Natalie Wintersit's like of of all the movies that were produced it's the top 30% it's not the front-end actors it's the people who are in the back like not like I asked you for your like I would think that it would come pretty easily to your head like why you would be a feminist why you
04:46:26Natalie Wintersthink there's lack of equal opportunity in the United States for women and the best you can give is like well in this one year like a third of movies where women were like not working the cameras
04:46:37JoJothey uh didn't get a lot of views so that's why I'm a feminist like I like that's very that's very nice that you said that but you're still misunderstanding what I was coming across I said respectfully I'm I'm
04:46:49JoJoreally trying but I died maybe it's you said why are you a feminist I said because of equity I would want such a buz word you can't just say because of equity but and they like because equity and Equity is fair what are you confused about because you're saying like oh then
04:47:02Natalie Wintersgive me an example how we're not Equitable and I'm not saying we're not Equitable like there are but if you said we need you're a feminist because you need equity and then you just said we're not equable like no I didn't say that that's what again said no I said think
04:47:15Nikkithe basketball analy was a good one wait actually Nick you can pull that thing up that you sent me Nick this is an article women fronted films oh but like got nominated less overall for like best
04:47:28Brian Atlascategories I think it was something like that well you referenced the year 2017 so make it bigger women fronted films are top three highest grossing
04:47:38Brian Atlasmovies of 2017 uh Last Jedi Beauty and the Beast and Wonder Woman topped North America's box office so even looking up the precise
04:47:49JoJoyear that you provided actually in the year you provided this is front end I keep say the poor backend but how does that justify you being a feminist so
04:48:00JoJookay so it's I didn't justify this of me being I'm telling you when you ask me how is it unequal opportunity I told you that in even these movies and these categories women are not being hired that was my whole point that was my
04:48:13Natalie Winterswhole but what you're saying women not being hired really doesn't correlate to what you are talking about you're talking about highest grossing films and film popularity there's nothing in what you're saying that's
04:48:24Natalie Winterslike there's this systemic campaign that studos are waging to not hire women it it was it's sorry on on the back end and not the front end only on the back end well it correlates in the sense because
04:48:37JoJothe 2017 like I was saying was the actual the year of the me to movement and this this you're all over the place right now I'm just you're all over the
04:48:46JoJoplace well it was the direct shift be between 2017 people's acknowledgement of that women aren't being hired in the movie industry right I don't really think that you've proven that and I
04:48:59Natalie Wintersdon't really think that's true and I don't really think the me too movement was about women not being hired in the industry it's about their treatment in the industry because they were being hired and they were getting treated poorly because they had jobs within the industry the me too movement couldn't
04:49:12JoJohave happened if women didn't have jobs in the industry I mean there's a direct correlation after after the me to movement of the hiring of woman I still don't understand the actual argument
04:49:20Natalie Wintersthough even if I if I grant like like okay say in Split cushy Hollywood jobs on the back end they're not hiring female
04:49:32Natalie Wintersdirectors for again I don't really even know the reason why how does that prove that like there's not equal opportunity for women it's like the opportunity for women when I said like I I talked about
04:49:44JoJothe top grossing films when I said 30% of like these backend top films had no women I'm not saying even in the category of do that that's just not true
04:49:56Natalie Wintersit's like but counter that's like let's look at early childhood education women make up the majority of jobs there women make up the majority of jobs in nursing so you could flip that logic on your head and say well that's sex is cuz
04:50:08Brian Atlasthere's not men and men would want to do it because hype men would want to do it they hire more women in those job categories because because more women are applying yeah wait wait just to be clear so it's sexist if more women get
04:50:20Brian Atlashired in a job field and it's also sexist if too few women get hired in a job field no that's not what I said at all but you said your issue is that not
04:50:30Natalie Wintersenough women are being hired on the very Niche back end of Studios but you don't find issue with a majority overwhelming majority of women being being hired for
04:50:41JoJojobs like nursing and early childhood education no it's because women a lot of times are more like uh the general gender biases are are associated women
04:50:53Natalie Winterswith these jobs right so like well I don't know gender biases is a pejorative connotation I would say it's just your innate biology women have always empirically been drawn to more sure that's that's your opinion it's not
04:51:05Natalie Wintersreally opinion it's biological fact and statistics and stud I hate studies but it it shows it empirical data shows that women have always gravitated towards nursing and early childhood education as
04:51:17Natalie Wintersopposed to say oil rigs and hardcore Machinery work which by the way if we want bring up deaths again workplace deaths are like 80 upwards of 80% if not 90% men over four I think every year
04:51:28Natalie Wintersit's like nearly 5,000 women it's like 400 just bring up deaths but that aside I just don't really understand so so your issue that you are resting your case for feminism on again I asked you like Give Me Your Best Shot as to why
04:51:41Natalie Wintersyou're a feminist and the best you could give me is say that you said she said what is our better example was the unequal opportunity didn't okay first of all you gave an example that
04:51:52Nikkiwas false because we just said that the 2017 the actresses that's the actresses okay so why does backend Film Production matter more front male and female lawyer what if one makes less I feel like that would have been a way simpler argument
04:52:04JoJobut I'm just curious why you're metric for why there's you there's a lack of equal opportunity said why is there a lack of you said why is there a lack of fairness I gave you an example of something that has a lack of fairness and then you're like oh what's that
04:52:17Natalie Winterswhat's what's your point of feminism your example was in one year the top 30% highest grossing movies only on the back
04:52:26Natalie Wintersend didn't have women and that's so like Niche and then we just showed you that actually the top three grossing films had women on the front end and I
04:52:37Natalie Wintersguarantee you if you look in 2017 the percentage of women are holding frankly percentage of women who are getting college degrees and probably getting preferential Financial treatment from banks in terms of loans and women in
04:52:47Natalie Wintersbusiness programs certainly outnumbers men so I just because you gave me one random statistic which I don't even know if it's actually true that doesn't negate or support your point like that's just that's so irrelevant it's like a
04:53:00JoJodrop in it's relevant to what you were asking me my general opinion of like oh why do you think women have unequal opportunities I told you sta societal
04:53:09Natalie Wintersforces are preventing women from working only on the back end in film in that case it's sexism that was my whole point it's sex so how does that work I think a lot of women want to work as like
04:53:21JoJoTransportation coordinators it's like a lot of like manual labor so you're telling me that the backend I'm talking about is not Transportation coordinators it's it is the director it is producers
04:53:33JoJoit is like the Apex jobs like the desirable jobs well I mean it's some yeah like I said it's a co-producer producers things like that it is so you think that like people are in the SE
04:53:43Natalie WintersSuite executive like Paramount Studios they're like oh wow this candidate looks awesome they produce all these cool films they have this this and that oh she's a woman so we're not going to hire her like you think that's realistically
04:53:56Natalie Winterswhat's happening and conversely while you're focusing and you're putting the spotlight on very high paying high status cushy jobs again only on the back end not the front end what about the fact that I would argue that most of the I would say low-end low status jobs just
04:54:09Natalie Wintersfrom sort of a like an income perspective and just not a very glamorous lifestyle right people who are working machinery Paving the road stuff that they don't get any thanks for any gratitude overwhelmingly majority men like I said overwhelming majority
04:54:21Natalie Wintersworkplace deaths are men so you're hyper focusing fixating on the fact that like these really cushy jobs women aren't getting but the inverse of that is that overwhelmingly men are taking up the
04:54:30JoJoBottom Rung of jobs but again I gave you one example right so there's many many examples another one free Julie for example like
04:54:42JoJoI I bring this up a lot the tech industry for example this startup industry a lot of times majority are men being higher not women do we know the majority of apply AR really wait wait
04:54:53JoJohold on I don't know you mean like software Engineers no you mean what a tech industry Tech IND that's made up of like coders it's like software Engineers that's what they are the tech industry
04:55:04JoJocan be any any and I think that's actually particular Engineers like you said uh but that's a particularly bad example because when when they do studies majority of people even in
04:55:16Natalie Winterscollege are socities become more egalitarian particularly talking Nordic countries again I don't like studies but when you go through them they've actually found
04:55:27Natalie Wintersthat the more egalitarian the more quote unquote liberal Society becomes the less women there are who get involved in stem fields and the more that they naturally gravitate towards what I would argue they're biologically inclined and wired
04:55:39Natalie Wintersto want to do which is like nursing early childhood education so the stem argument is is particularly I think falls falls flat is particularly bad but even if you take a step back I don't really even think that that's true if
04:55:51Natalie Wintersyou look at what's going on in Silicon Valley right now or any of these startup companies and frankly I think startups are particularly bad example because that industry is pretty Cutthroat and that you're raising money and you either
04:56:02Natalie Wintersmake it work or you don't there's not really room for like Dei hiring style practices like if you suck at your job you suck at your job but in all of the big corporations they are prioritizing
04:56:13JoJohiring women they want I mean have you heard the term women and stem all the statistics are if you have diversity inclusion you you have better Innovation
04:56:24Natalie Wintersevery stud can show you that erroneous if you have over 30% like um mixed executive team usually it's more successful right say that is true I don't necessarily think first of all
04:56:36Natalie Wintersevery study shows Dei if you have diversity inclusion who paid for those studies yeah the United Nations a bunch of schools a bunch of like companies there's tons of show this so you think that just because like there's a black
04:56:49Natalie Wintersperson a white person and a brown person in the room that you're going to have better outcomes even if you you you take yes because you have different you have different markets you have different point of views different different can I ask you a question when it comes to math
04:57:00Brian Atlasdo you think that like like top level like math mathematicians like a black mathematician and a white mathematician like they're going to come to like better conclusions because one's black
04:57:10JoJodidn't you just hear what I said answer the question answer the question yes I do I genuinely do oh well that's that's not really that's not how math works if they can't if they can't solve that's
04:57:23Natalie Wintersnot how math works if they can't solve if they can't solve something they all have different point of views of what to look at even if I take you even if I take you at your work right and say that this mythical you know unicorn that
04:57:34Natalie Wintershis diversity is so great for the workplace okay say it's true if all these corporations and Studios and whatnot which are ostensibly I'm sure You' probably agree motivated by profit right and wanting to
04:57:46Natalie Wintersto produce returns and there's this magical strategy that is going to allow them to increase their profits tenfold because apparently a black mathematician is is the key to all their financial wo
04:57:56Natalie Wintersor hiring a female doctor or whatever is going to fix all the problems why would they then be sitting in the boardroom and saying oh we can't hire women oh we can't have any women not on the front
04:58:08JoJoend but on the back end right isn't that sort of a a a dumb approach to take to hiring it's because a lot of times with especially board of directors they have a someone they know they have someone that can influence okay but that that
04:58:20Natalie Wintersyou literally just said I mean what what is how does that even engage with what I just said there's a board of directors where there's someone they know and they have influence she's talking what wouldn't nepotism wouldn't nepotism equally benefit men and women like if
04:58:32JoJoit's just about a personal relationship not necessarily so you're saying your argument is nepotism unfairly it benefits men I'm I'm saying in the case of what we were the context
04:58:44JoJoof what we were talking about especially board of directors and hiring teams and things like that a lot of times yes nepotism is involved in like a lot of times the hiring of a lot of these team I'm not disagreeing with you I don't
04:58:56JoJoknow what that has to do with with anything it has a lot to do with a lot of this because they for example if if but nepotism is not a gendered thing yeah well I feel like having a diverse
04:59:08Nikkiamount of people like in more objective fi like marketing and movies make sense but it can't be it can't be like oh we have all these different Minds for like something very objective like math and coding there's right answers and there's
04:59:20Natalie Winterswrong answers either it works or it doesn't those Dei studies alleged studies that you're talking about they're not actually talking because believe me those same institutions that are putting that out I can guarantee you that they do not support diversity of thought I'm sure they're part of the group of people who are pushing
04:59:33Natalie Winterspolitical correctness and when you say diversity you're not talking about bringing together groups of people who disagree and having actual debate you're talking about just figurehead diversity poster child diversity where it's like
04:59:45Natalie Wintersoh this guy's black this person's trans this person's this this person's that that doesn't yield any any results at all frankly I would almost argue you see why is it it's always like the roads that are collapsing the bridges that are
04:59:57Brian Atlascollapsing those are always the ones that have the diversity programs going on I do have to move things on but won't you each make a final point and then we'll move things on do you have a response and then Natalie goes the the
05:00:08JoJodiversity claim is need at least 30% of a my more diverse team in order to actually get solid response and it is a it is solid response as in it's a response that actually has like so if
05:00:21JoJoyou're at 25 is 29 the statistic is you at least need a 30% team 30% more diverse team before what is the statistic you you it's can I ask you a question would a company be be
05:00:33JoJoconsidered diverse if there were no men in it uh no you need diversity in all all angles okay oh all viewpoints all angles okay all
05:00:43Natalie Wintersright I mean do do you want to did you finish your point or yeah sure okay I just think it's funny every time I come on the show and I ask every feminist for like one example of an actual grievance that they would have that would justify
05:00:55Natalie Winterstheir rational for being a feminist it is the most Niche anecdotal one-off examples that is like pigeon hold to one year one subset of an industry that's not even the front end of actors but the
05:01:07Natalie Wintersback end of actors only in film they all tell you that that's crazy yeah last time last time I sheut um I unmuted but I just my last my
05:01:18Natalie Winterslast point on this and I think this is my always key issue with feminism is that so many girls say they're feminists but then they're actually pressed on it they honestly don't know why and I think you should ask yourself why you've been so conditioned to think that you are a
05:01:31Natalie Wintersfeminist why you're so adamant that you know women need to be the larger amounts of victims in more time than men why there's such an to not be a feminist um you don't think you can be conditioned to not be a
05:01:43Nikkifeminist have you ever and be like why am I not a feminist well I have a question like the whole women make 82 cents to a dollar and now it's like oh for a white man's dollar I don't know what that means but I thought it was
05:01:55Nikkimore like they're choosing professions that I mean there's not really a lot of money I don't know if you want to get into child oh you're you're rage quitting no I I'm just this was a long conversation I do have some follow-up
05:02:08Natalie Wintersquestions for you once you're back though you can go uh Natalie can I have you read uh this one please why would any 304 give up their jobs making six to seven figures a year to take off their clothes on only
05:02:18Natalie Wintersfans to instead carry around a 100 PB camera for half as much money even B 304 wouldn't do that it doesn't quite work like that but
05:02:29Natalie Wintersokay is he talking about appr and then we have walie poo if you can read this one Brian I get back from Kill Tony to a goat panel drizzle driz
05:02:40Natalie WintersSor number number is most attractive um number five and number one tied for a second Su net baller is usual Maddie equals the goat question cut or
05:02:51Brian Atlasuncut okay going around the table I guess do you prefer guy cut or uncut um I'm actually going to say
05:03:01Abbyuncut I feel like that is a hot take maybe not we'll find out I prefer cut I don't care no preference I don't give a a singular
05:03:11Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)[ __ ] I'm not going to answer that question yeah same um whatever my husband is neither is a deal breaker I'm here for that same on that one
05:03:21Brian Atlasambivalent ambivalent okay ambivalent all right thank you waly Pooh uh does anybody here I mean we've had some of you on the show show before anybody here who's seen the show have any
05:03:32Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)disagreements with anything anything you guys want to touch on disagreement have question for you cuz it's not necessarily a disagreement cuz I totally agree like that marriage
05:03:44Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)has been completely made into being like this thing with the government do you agree like that marriage should be strictly within the church then like I'm just curious on your stance on that cuz I know you don't believe in marriage yeah I'm fine with that is it just
05:03:57Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)because the government's involved and it kind of creates like obviously now women can really kind of screw men over so do you think like it should go back to being only
05:04:08Nikkilike a church type of thing uhin the church guess why did the government get involved in the first place yeah I'm fine with it the government gets involved for taxes taxes are the only reason they're
05:04:21Brian Atlasthey're interested yeah I was just curious yeah yeah I I think that would be really good if the government was got out of uh would you say that that's one of the reasons why you don't believe in
05:04:32Brian Atlasmarriage or is that like uh or do you just gen not believe it in general okay oh no I just wanted to ask yeah I mean primarily just the state's involvement with it and the potential ramifications
05:04:43Brian Atlasin the event of a divorce uh that's pretty much it uh and then I think those are all the chats let me see I had some more notes for you actually I think uh
05:04:53Brian Atlaswe had hold on uh women expect you said women expect too much from men when they don't have much themselves yeah so a lot of the times when I was or actually in the very
05:05:05Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)beginning of my relationship uh whether I had an argument with my now husband or a disagreement a lot of friends around me would tell me that he's not worth anything because he didn't have a job or
05:05:16Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)like he wasn't necessarily making like a lump sum of money and they said you have a job he doesn't so I mean go find somebody that does and you know if I would have listened I wouldn't be married right now in a happy
05:05:29Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)relationship so I just think that like women expect too much of men but don't have the same in return like I feel like if you're going to expect a sixf figure salary from a man maybe maybe have have
05:05:41Nikkisomething to offer or at least be making six figures yourself but expecting a job is like bare minimum expecting what would be the the Equitable thing to offer if you're
05:05:53Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)looking for a sixf figureure man I mean I just think that you should have the same in return I think if you have less and you're expecting higher I think that's kind of like an unfair thing to do isn't that women's nature
05:06:04Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)though hypergamy to want a man who is well yeah like I'm I'm saying in terms of me like I had a job very young and my husband didn't and just I didn't mind
05:06:15Nicolletabout that I didn't it didn't re it n tell us how you feel come on um I mean I think that's just like the bare minimum to want a guy with a job maybe like you don't have to job in a car I mean you
05:06:26Nicolletdon't have to expect him to make more money than you but I mean that's CRA is that what you expect um yeah but she doesn't have to but you don't have to I mean to
05:06:37Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)say like that's crazy like I'm glad it work out for you but can I can we ask why he didn't have a job um for so long well at the time he was actually trying to figure out what
05:06:49Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)career he wanted to do and I was completely fine with that cuz we were both in school at the time and then he was a student yeah he was a student we were both students at the same time so he was just trying to figure out what he
05:07:00Brian Atlaswanted to do did he ask you to pay for stuff or was that something you just volunteered I voluntarily did it oh okay myself and you said moving on though uh you said when women have a bias against
05:07:11Brian Atlasmen it is socially accepted and usually laughed off when men do the same they're seen as misogynists I'm not saying both genders don't have a right to be biased however when men do it it's seen as
05:07:22Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)wrong to the most extreme level yeah so like I was watching like a prior podcast and a lot of the times they talk about like you know like if you would prefer someone who's overweight and somebody who's not you know if a female has a
05:07:33Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)preference that a man not be overweight it's seen as like a preference but when a man doesn't want an overweight woman woman he's seen as like biased he's rude he's nass things like that I just think
05:07:45Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)that it's a little unfair yeah to saying that kind of stuff well it's kind of like I mean if we look at the bear vers man one question like that's a really strong bias to have against men that you
05:07:57Brian Atlaswould rather for those of you who said bear actually this panel overwhelmingly said man which is most of the times we've been asking this question for two months now you said randomize so that that's why I mean okay okay thank you
05:08:10Brian Atlasfor that addition thank you oh you're back I had some questions for you um but no you make a really good point so I mean the I mean to say that like you
05:08:19Brian Atlaswould rather be with a bear over a is a very biased thing to say because presupposition there is like a uh L like such a large ma majority of men would
05:08:30Brian Atlasopt to victimize you in some way paints men as like inherently predatory which is really not the case there are absolutely terrible men out there but the vast majority of men would not opt to harm a woman there are monstrous men
05:08:42JoJoout there but it's a small like small minority very small minority of men so uh yeah that's why I would I would hope for the best in people that's why that that was my point of it's
05:08:55Brian Atlasrandomized hope for the best but prepare for the uh last thing on the feminist thing uh so do you believe women should be drafted yeah I'm fine with that okay I thought you said something differently last time I'm totally fine with that and
05:09:07JoJoI asked the whole panel if anybody has any disagreement with anything they've heard from the podcast do you have any disagreements you want to disagree I just want to disagree with this one statistic that keeps coming up Andrew Wilson and his wife both said it that it
05:09:20JoJomajority of divorces happens because the woman is unhappy and I'm like no I just re looked it up the first time I came on I said majority of divorces happen because of infidelity I told him that
05:09:31JoJolike thought it was money issue fin no relook it up you can do us divorces 2024 it is in on the woman's him look it up or the
05:09:42Brian Atlasman's part make him you mean she's getting cheated on or she look it up divorce.com or whatever the [ __ ] so the I'm so sorry the the
05:09:54Brian Atlasnumber one reason for divorces is male infidelity no not male I'm saying infidelity infidelity in general sure that would be a good reason for divorce but I'm not sure if that's the primary that's the primary I'm telling you I
05:10:06JoJolooked it up okay before the first time I came up just take your word for it I don't really care to argue it to be honest if it it just bothered I heard it like uh I I don't remember when Andrew Wilson's wife was on but I heard it
05:10:19Brian Atlasagain and I was like no it's inell I just looked this up yeah well maybe we have different stats on that you can look it up I'm fine with it yeah okay who cares
05:10:30Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)uh you said Brian thanks for the bow advice what so uh oh yeah we had to play the bow video okay we'll do that in a bit so I actually did it just like out of nowhere for like a good week and at first my husband was like a little bit
05:10:43Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)like kind of thrown off but he just accepted it but I noticed that the week that I was doing it it brought out the shival side of him so like that's when I got more of like the opening the door for me you know holding my hand things
05:10:56Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)like that like being a little bit more like pulling the chair out for me when we go out to dinner like it just brought out and I had asked him about it before I came on the show and he said well it just it just feels like you know like I kind of see you as more of like a little
05:11:08Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)like kind of like I want to protect your femininity like you seem more of like something like I just want to protect it so it's kind of like I want to do these things for you so I just I thought it was funny and I thought it was actually it
05:11:19Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)actually kind of helped with doing the small like gesture I mean he saw it as just more of a respect thing it wasn't more of like yeah what is the what what are you guys talking about what is that you don't know about the bow what is
05:11:31Brian Atlasthat you guys don't know about the bow I haven't played the bow video for you no you guys been on the show like two times yeah you never played this for us what time luxury [ __ ] I got to introduce you
05:11:40Brian Atlasguys to the does your husband does your husband watch the show no I would say more me what's B wait cat you got to watch or what's her name Julia Julie
05:11:51NikkiJulie Julia you got to watch the B video Julie come here yeah stop doing meth in the bathroom please I they said math
05:11:59Brian Atlaslike I don't think out cut the cut the the meth though she she said she really the video she's method loves life your husband doesn't watch the show so it's
05:12:12Brian Atlasnot like he knew oh she's doing the whatever podcast thing okay yeah all right che check this is what I need from a girl this is what I need watch check this out guys I'm go ahead you can play
05:12:23JoJoit ni boom check out that bow technique son oh I sh I'm unironically do that all the
05:12:33Brian Atlastime cuz there's the laundry yeah all right oh look at that uh dinner's ready oh she's you know attentive oh great okay well that's fine we can still see
05:12:43Brian Atlasdifferences uh getting me a beer look at that this so nice and she's beautiful I mean her eyes kind of Scar a little bit okay Bri she's got that like
05:12:55Nikkikind of crazy she's got the Crazy Eyes uncanny valley boom huge bow what if I did all that without the bow at the beginning so I
05:13:06JoJowill not the same worthless she really needs that math doesn't she okay I I studied abroad in Japan for like a month so like I bow all the time everyone
05:13:17Brian Atlasmakes fun of me I'm like oh thank you well now you're dating so yeah the bow it worked she did it I've had a couple girls come on the show I've had girls even message me saying hey I tried the
05:13:29JoJobow I thought it was ridiculous and it worked the husband Lov the boyfriend husband loved it loved it I do like just a mini just want to be appreciated for the
05:13:39Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)no no it's like if if like someone opens a door open for me I'm like oh thank you thank you thank you your bear I mean I've it's really embarrassing I've been told several times that I do too much
05:13:51Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)for my husband so I've been I've been judged by a lot of women because of what I do for my husband so I've also been judged by a lot of women for what I do for my husband women married but conveniently you guys are married yeah I
05:14:04Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)was going to say are those women married cuz the women who judge me for how much I do for my husband I judg by a few people that are clients that are married you do too much for your
05:14:17Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)shouldn't you want to do things for your SP everything I do for him I I get joy fromb yeah like it's not like he's forcing you into it is what you're yeah is what you're saying right like yeah like I have a few clients that actually really think that I do way too much and
05:14:30Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)they'll say like the ones that are doing the ho thing no the ones that are married I have one I have a client that that's married with a child and she'll tell me like you do way too much and then I ask her like okay well finances and things what do you do and she's just
05:14:42Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)like well usually 50/50 I contribute and I'm like see that's I don't I'm I'm very traditional so I don't believe in that so the nails oh wait so you okay so he
05:14:53Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)pays most of your bills and he pays all of my bills and he course that Mak well he has constant food on the table his outfit or uniform for work is put in the morning for him already laid out so
05:15:07Brian Atlaseverything's pretty much already taken care of for him would you guys be down niolet would you be down to bow for a bow for a guy sure we don't we don't want a begrudging
05:15:18Brian Atlasbow we want an we want an enthusiastic bow okay I'll do it oh wait like right now yeah oh I mean that's not what I was asking but okay [ __ ] it let's see the technique go
05:15:29Maliaahead okay I'll stand up I guess I guess this is getting weird it's like a C I'm excited don't stop this cult hey stop shaming stop B shaming people can bow it's not
05:15:41Brian Atlaslike uh okay it wasn't bad I mean I think this is a bit much the you know oh now she technique the the hands need to be
05:15:51Brian Atlaslike folded down here yes like I Dream of Genie instead no no no no it needs to be like okay uh like just show you're
05:16:00Brian Atlasnonthreatening uh would you do vow um yes but I think I'd laugh I would feel bad about laugh you should try it maybe the guys will pick pay for
05:16:10Brian Atlasdates Oh no just hit them with the bow second date fired what that was I'm just giving her I'm trying to help out they'll be like oh she's worth going
05:16:22Abbyhalf on at least half she's worth what wait what you take that back take what back she's worth the whole meal did you just hear what you said out loud what what
05:16:35Brian Atlasdid I say maybe she's worth going half on are you implying that I'm not well that that would wouldn't that be an upgrade from oh no the what you've been the the the gu's
05:16:46Abbypaying for nothing said no huh that's what you just said what do you mean I'm confused okay would you would you moving on what would you bow would she bow you
05:16:55JoJobow I bow all the time I just said that no for like a guy it's like it's literally it's if you were dating Nick would you bow for him it's like it's like a respect answer the question it's
05:17:08JoJoa respect thing if he does anything nice I'm like oh thank you would you bow for neck if you're dating him thank you all the time I do this like now you open the door for me this go ahead just did a
05:17:18JoJoquick Google search the primary cause of for divorce is IR IR oh my God I can't read irreconcilable differences and is primarily initiated by women meaning women aren't happy so they want to leave
05:17:30Brian Atlasuh that's not the statistic I read you're done you're wrong thank you but you're wrong we need to let's see we got to get through a couple oh dating profiles let's do the dating profil is it mine guys a couple girls have dating profiles we're going
05:17:44Brian Atlasto reveal nicette first she's single ready to mingle Bachelorette number one oh enjoy a coffee or get a yummy
05:17:57Brian Atlasdinner okay all right next that's the win I'm just kidding sorry all right that that's her and her friends so next I want someone who will treat me like
05:18:08Brian Atlaslike a princess who's next to you is that my friend that looks like Camala Harris okay next you are you friends with her okay yeah to me relaxation is skincare reading a book or listening to
05:18:21Brian Atlasa podcast like you listen to the whatever podcast I did on the way here nice next or is that it okay that's you again okay wait you want to be treated
05:18:33Nicolletlike a princess beauti so that's actually um to find sugar daddiy oh that's like yeah so not love all right
05:18:43Nicolletso the whole coffee thing I wouldn't actually go on a real date with someone that I wanted to like take seriously for coffee that's just like yeah yeah paid
05:18:55Nicolletall right respect the honesty who's next you want to be treated like a princess though but so you can't just straight out say on Hing or any dating app like
05:19:07Nicolletlooking for a sugar your daddy or I'll still ban you so that's like kind of my
05:19:14Brian Atlasway of uh just you know yum it uh let's do the next Appo oh God
05:19:23Brian AtlasJoJo All right this is JoJo okay uh one piece picture uh she's a student at full-time
05:19:33JoJostudent okay I just graduated atheist okay next you're welcome unusual skills I can lick my elbow okay let's see it oh no actually I have double jointed shoulders so I can like make a hole in
05:19:44Nick (producer)my shoulder lick your elbow oh don't that is unsettling I had to prove it first and then this is going to be the highlight
05:19:54Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)what wow that's hot that's hot did you say that that's definitely not hot someone in my ttch wait are you also able to put both your elbows together to it above to it above do it
05:20:07Brian Atlasabove huh yeah there you go okay that's crazy next one next image from the dating app oh no dating a
05:20:18JoJomenace what do you what what hold on what do you mean dating a menace do you understand how annoying I am yes oh I understand yeah I understand very
05:20:30Brian Atlaswell so wait I'm just curious though because I mean here like we're in a podcast setting we're just having conversations debates disagreements whatever but like in a dating setting
05:20:40JoJohow are you annoying I I only had one ex I've only dated one dude so he absolutely hated that my like how much I would debate him he would be I'm so competitive like in an annoying way
05:20:53JoJowhere it's like so like in an annoying way where it's like even in video games and things like that I would have to like be like top fragging or like um sorry um I would
05:21:04JoJohave to be top of the leader boards whatever you know to yeah leader boards okay um and he hated the back argumentative on the back I'm so argumentative and I have to win at everything oh okay and
05:21:16Nick (producer)here we are combative I'm very combative so even if I lose I've gotten a lot better so you're super quarrelsome argum yeah yeah I've
05:21:27Brian Atlasgotten better I got to say okay all right I'll back off everyone know good to know all right is that is there more one more picture oh oh was cosplay yeah of course of course wait what who a lot
05:21:40Brian Atlasof people were like let do let's do who do we have next we have um Abby
05:21:46Brian Atlasright let's check out her dating app Abby hey oh damn okay uh next wait leave
05:21:56Brian Atlasa comment if you want to me here your bed oh oh [ __ ] little scandalous okay next pick the most underrated okay
05:22:07Brian Atlassomething that's not okay next 21 Vermont moderate she's looking for short-term open to Long girl that's
05:22:16Abbywhy they're not paying yep that part yes so we finally found you just want to you just want to hit it and quit it is
05:22:26Abbythat it no like it depends on the person oh okay yeah interesting all right next dating me is like too much caffeine what what do you mean
05:22:39Abbyum I drink a lot of caffeine so so you're like hyper you're hyper yeah it can be sure can you like got that crackhead
05:22:52Abbyenergy huh not like that not like that like who where did you point there we know where she pointed I didn't to look I didn't even
05:23:11Abbywhat does the moderate part mean moderate I don't even know what oh [ __ ] just keep going keep going please please please please keep going um did I
05:23:22Nicolletsay mo I don't know what like what does that mean like I know what moderate means but on the I'm sorry keep going well I don't really like I made this a while ago so I don't
05:23:34Abbyeven know what the other options were but like I think it has to do with my like stance like political views um I don't like think I a liberal or republican so I just picked that I said
05:23:44Brian Atlasthat sounds like the middle Republican those guys I love the publicans they my favorites the
05:23:54Brian Atlaspublic sign me up okay uh let's see what else was there more Nick yeah there's more think more more photos
05:24:04Brian Atlasokay oh look to be yours and only wear a short short time but she's open to good time not a long time perh that was a good catch Nicollet and only if they're
05:24:16Brian AtlasMexican too right yeah for sure for sure wait is that like a must wait do you have that set on your preference to like Hispanic where does that does that come like where did that where did that come from I'm just I don't [ __ ] know like
05:24:28Abbyjust you you met a Mexican once and you're like this is it this is one started when I was like for me uhoh a tween like I was probably like 13 oh oh
05:24:38Abbya tween who was it that did it for you was it Mario Lopez I was on vacation to California and there there you have it okay next one
05:24:47Malianick uh yeah that one all right I like it it's a little out there but I like it would you get would you date her would you pay for the date would you pay
05:24:59Brian Atlasfor the I'm cheap would you pay for yourself to be like age Gap relationship right you're like 28 right I was just I her profile beautiful but wait what her profile is beautiful but I would you
05:25:12Brian Atlaswouldn't she wouldn't tap that you wouldn't hit that's a crazy question Brian what so it is yes okay fine you wouldn't take her on a romantic date
05:25:22Brian Atlasdepends where McDonald's no I think I'm taking a break from dating again okay so uh is there more Nick or is that it can I get rid of all the tabs
05:25:34Brian Atlasuh yeah definitely get rid of those tabs and then we also had to do the uh attract oh the uh raing yourself thing but I'm going to is she coming
05:25:46JoJoback no she's going to go the car real quick I'm so sorry she'll probably not come back oh she's not coming back uh hope she's still here hey no come on no she's going to go to my car she's having
05:25:58Unknowna little bit of anxiety sorry we got some applesauce if you want some app you want some applesauce no peaches a boo no hey
05:26:10Brian Atlasboo boo boo I'm I'm sorry I didn't leave peaches for you okay I apologize be cry right are you hungry no just let no she she's hungry that's what
05:26:22Brian Atlasit is right let me get I I got applesauce what you need girl what you need I got app bar I'm having an attack it's okay I need some okay do you want to go on the balcony we could close the
05:26:34Brian Atlasdoors oh yeah you could I'll be back dissociate yeah uh how long the only thing is we if you leave it's like you can't really get back in do you want to just kick it on
05:26:46Brian Atlasthe balcony that way think about this way it might help your anxiety we got we got eyes on you so if like anything that's true if you need us we're here okay
05:26:55Nick (producer)me no it's good it's okay can you can we close it yeah we can close the balcony so you can would would you be better sitting wait but it's going to be closed
05:27:09Brian Atlasgoing to be Clos you want to get a chair for like the little thank you guys so much you guys are beautiful do we have a blanket Nick this is going to be one of
05:27:18JoJothe Little Nick sacrifice the blank girl has anxiety at 10 a true gentlemen applesauce applesauce we've already got the title it's post you know how there's
05:27:29JoJolike little like watch back the videos go anxiety attack anyways I'm already back don't worry
05:27:38Brian Atlaswhat were we uh you know what this would be a good time to say that uh oh my God it's so um sorry she had an anxiety it's
05:27:49Nick (producer)no it's it's all good it happens to the best of us she's having a lot this
05:27:58Nikkiweek all right Nick lock the door guys let's leave she just came up on a nice apartment that is she's done for no just the balcony like a nice okay so uh wait where were we we're
05:28:11Brian Atlasgoing to do the let's do the we got to do the I'm going to do the rating and do the rating Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 you can't
05:28:20Brian Atlaspick seven starting with you can I can I do0 five you can do 253 like you can go to the third digit or
05:28:31Abbythe what um I'll say like [ __ ] I don't know it depends on the day like I'll say like 7 um 9
05:28:43Brian Atlas7.9 today or um that's an average best what what about the like the times where the guy didn't pay for the date like what would you write
05:28:54Brian Atlasyourself on that he loves it what an ass my God no I'm just I'm you know you could have maybe it was cuz you were 10 that you know they they wanted to bring you down a peg cuz you're so hot huming
05:29:06Brian Atlasyou that's it that's what it I figured this [ __ ] out you're you were so hot you were so hot on those dates you were 10 they're like oh man like she's kind out
05:29:16Brian Atlasof my league I gotta bring her down a bit pay for the date Lady Lady Lady right that's what happen right
05:29:27Brian Atlasokay nichette I'm going change it up no yeah oh [ __ ] I was a nine you used to be a 10 I know H why why why downgrade I don't
05:29:39Brian Atlasknow I don't feel too hot right now why are you downgrading no tell us why you're downgrading uh I don't know I think it's my hair right now I didn't yeah definitely that's what it is great I usually curl it I'm just kidding your
05:29:51Nicollethair look wait but hold on I think I think your hair is a 10 out of 10 oh than looks good I don't know I feel like not good right now but
05:30:00Nikkianyway I feel it what's up what about you on my good days it's say a solid St .7
05:30:09Brian Atlas6.9 I probably say like a five one maybe an eight like an eight I give myself a five all right good good talk thank you what do you think what what did uh Julia
05:30:22JoJosay last show she said seven last she said seven okay all right I think today what what what did she say was she going to say I don't know how she's feeling right now I can't tap in of that M it's
05:30:32Brian AtlasGNA probably be low let's go to Twitch guys go to twitch.tv twitch smash twitch.tv whatever drop us a follow in the prime sub guys it's been 22 minutes
05:30:44Brian Atlassince we've gotone a prime I think it's bugged guys I think something's wrong with our twitch there's 1,600 people watching if you're not following hit that follow button so you can see you know Madison's cooking streams and some
05:30:56Brian AtlasIRL [ __ ] that we're going to do and you can also see Madison talking about things that are definitely important oh there it is okay the prime is working
05:31:05Brian Atlasthank you Primal oh oh primal what oh AB check with the gifted 20 memberships thank you dude you're you are a He's a brave and a decent man he's a
05:31:17Brian AtlasPioneer you're a Pioneer dude AB Che you've been here for a long time thank you man I appreciate it speaking of which speaking of which I think we've gone through most of our stuff we're
05:31:28Brian Atlasgoing to do maybe a roast section for a little bit roast section roast of who well nobody said the 10 so you know okay I mean Nicollet over here you know
05:31:40Brian Atlasshe's with her with her nine but you're GNA go over sixes we could do the Bumble there's actually this this uh subreddit called true rate me that actually like will show categorizations
05:31:53Brian Atlasit'd be interesting to look at it briefly why don't you show the men first and then we'll look at the men the women I've only seen like and it has like guidelines on how to rate so pull up the
05:32:02Brian Atlasmen it's so funny whoa yeah I've and trying to see where I fit in so this is like how you would rank men so we won't read like you
05:32:14Brian Atlascan see the details on the right we not going to read all those but um oh that there's Francisco lowski we've pulled that guy up before okay all
05:32:25Brian Atlasright scroll down scroll down Ronaldo in the 7.5 these are 6.5 oh man I'm so glad I should have gone lower though 5.5 that's
05:32:37JoJoa 5 should have gone lower wait hold on stop there little Wayne Jeremy Al Rodriguez wait whoa 4.5 the five to the 4.5 is a
05:32:49Brian Atlascrazy drop do they have this of women oh yeah can we see the wom let's go to the very bottom on this though that's a crazy drop damn that's crazy is awesome they were pretty
05:33:01Brian Atlasgenerous with uh whoa what what are the unknown scroll down keep going hey I might be a two wow okay swear to [Music]
05:33:16AbbyGod extremely inra imagine you just see your own face I I feel bad for them Brave [ __ ] uh next can we see the the
05:33:27Brian Atlasladies check the ladies all right I actually disagree with some of the placements here a little bit okay tell us like that okay the the second row the
05:33:37Brian AtlasAsian girl he uh there's like other women in lower tear that I would I would agree that I would put higher than her like the Lisa Liza Liza I would put her higher than don't talk about Liza you
05:33:50Brian Atlasdon't know her even some of the other Asian women I'd put higher than like i' put I'd put these three these bottom three Asian women the Filipino I'd put them higher than I can't pronounce her
05:34:02Brian Atlasname the soy he I don't know dude I want to read could better let's go down let's go down we'll keep going down though all right now we're getting into six this is
05:34:11Nicolletthe women at six 5.5 you've got Ed whoever made this isn't like European women it let's rewind I feel like women
05:34:23JoJoare really the victims because like look how beautiful all the women are now okay so we're all like we're all like twos they're all beautiful hey speak for
05:34:32Brian Atlasyourself uh okay scroll down all right Amy Schumer with at the 3.5 okay and then uh Sandra o okay all right Donella
05:34:44Nick (producer)Versace okay uh oh man I don't want to be in two take it back I don't want be two I want three
05:34:56Brian AtlasTammy Tammy do okay so that's the rating SC the these the the people on Reddit have done some really th I I you know it's
05:35:08Maliaactually pretty good I disagree with that uh that one Asian woman though I feel like they could have been hotter Liza Liza some of those at the top I was like yeah do you generally agree with it though like do you generally agree with
05:35:20Brian Atlasthat when you're looking at it you could move some people up and down but like overall it's well according to that I'm like a 12 then
05:35:30home.maath (call-in)whoa whoa stop it get some help this is different standard okay Bea's in the eye of the beholder yeah
05:35:41Brian Atlasyou didn't even say that confidently it's in the eye of the okay whoever holds the bees they get to side we are
05:35:49Brian Atlasgoing to lower the hold on I'm going to lower the TTS to 69 if uh just if you any of you want to get in 200 the whole
05:36:00Brian Atlasshow huh I was like it's really quiet so $69 TTS if anybody wants to get in a message um so what was the other stuff we had to get through Nick there was uh there was
05:36:12Unknownthe video I yeah we'll do that [ __ ] it we'll do real quick ready yeah if he won't find someone who will like if he won't open your door for you find someone who
05:36:23Brian Atlaswill it do you guys agree if he won't find somebody who will wait like if he won't open the door for you is that what she said no she in general like if he
05:36:33Brian Atlaswon't do X find somebody who will if it's something you want yeah no no wait but paying for dates
05:36:44TTS[Music] um I um you said men lazy we're skipping we're skipping you we skipping L paladins donated
05:36:56TTS$69 I'll pay money just to have someone read out that anad mass is actually a 10 Reddit is a liberal cess pool disregard yeah that's crazy he's saying is a 10 or
05:37:08Brian Atlasno yeah she's beautiful yeah yeah she didn't deserve to be six maybe I guess when she was a younger younger I guess beautiful have you seen this woman how old is she I don't know Ryan like your
05:37:19Brian Atlasage oh she's in her 40s isn't she she is she looks great what about you um if he's not doing it find someone who will yeah if he won't find someone
05:37:32Nicolletwho will agree or disagree um I don't go looking for anyone but if they're not meeting my standards I'll like did like not entertain it yeah I'd say yes find
05:37:42Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)what you want I feel like that's terribly vague but overall no no yeah same overall no but there are specific things that can be deal breakers I mean
05:37:53Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)unless you're already committed to the guy then yeah if it's like a small stupid thing then no but like opening the door that's obnoxious of course I'm not going to go find someone for something like that go find someone Nick
05:38:06Brian Atlaswe can play the rest rest start from the beginning actually just so it's only a few
05:38:13Brian Atlasseconds you got it I believe in you [Music] Nick oh man a man just start the whole thing over yeah I guess we got to restart the whole podcast [ __ ]
05:38:25Brian Atlasthat uh just refresh it just refresh guys TTS is now 69 if you want to get a TTS in yeah go for
05:38:36Unknownit if he won't find someone who will like if he won't open your door for you find someone who will simple right my brother just asked me does that work for guys too I was like of course so he's like so if she doesn't cook for me find
05:38:47home.maath (call-in)someone who will if she won't do my laundry for me then find a girl that will why does it sound so bad when men say it it sounds bad because our society
05:38:58home.maath (call-in)and culture are in a fallen State and our media has everybody brainwashed into believing that life is about what I want who owes it to me and how I get it from
05:39:10home.maath (call-in)them but not about what I should be providing to others this is my depiction of a transactional relationship this is one thing she wants from him one thing he wants from her and if you stop there
05:39:22home.maath (call-in)it's just a negotiation how much do I have to give to get more mature relationships are focused on what I can provide what is it that makes me a quality partner that's why these
05:39:34home.maath (call-in)conversations about the table are so stupid women will say I am the table as if he has no needs at all that's what these princess treatment relationships are it's just sing with no reciprocation
05:39:47home.maath (call-in)and it ends when you can't keep it up anymore so when you say why does it sound so bad when men say it it is because you are experiencing a demand instead of an offer of support and that
05:39:57home.maath (call-in)is how the internet pulls Consciousness downwards you might be a unique individual who recognizes multiple valid perspectives but when you're flipping through Tik Tok you're being programmed
05:40:09home.maath (call-in)to be egocentric self-interested and self-protective and to see others mainly as a means to an end we still need to get our needs met it's just so annoying
05:40:20home.maath (call-in)to hear you all talk about it I want this and I want this and I want that where's the part that would make us want to give it I'll give you an example donated
05:40:30TTS$69 Natalie you're not nearly as intelligent as you thinkal the donning Krueger is strong with you you've barely dispatched of the Chimp in blue quit politics you're hurting the
05:40:43Brian Atlascause do you want to respond to uh no I oh okay yeah okay okay all right thank you Paul you in Denver well it's impossible to dispatch somebody the
05:40:55Nick (producer)Chimp in blue who doesn't make that's a good that's a good she said good description it's it's kind of hard hard you know yeah you should have more women on the back end
05:41:05JoJoof your show I I he that's true actually no he's actually got some better than the actually I got I got one male
05:41:13JoJoemployee one female that's what I'm saying better I'm a feminist 2007 better than 2017 30%
05:41:22home.maath (call-in)of my point all right we can play he's actually a feminist yeah somebody to do chores for me I just don't list it as a primary requirement I say that I'm
05:41:34home.maath (call-in)looking for someone who is excited about who I am as a a person so we can both help each other live Fuller more satisfying lives and that would have to include someone doing the laundry so there's no reason to mention it it's a