ONLY 1% Of Men Attractive?! She ONLY Dates Narcissists?! Men Are LAZY?! E-GIRLS! | Dating Talk #171

Date: 2024-06-19

Duration: 7h 04m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJulie (DT171)>

NNikki (DT171)>

AAlyssa (DT171-married)>

AAbigail (DT171-WA)>

NNatalie Winters >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02JoJo(guest)

SPEAKER_03Nicollet(guest)

SPEAKER_04Natalie Winters(guest)

SPEAKER_05Abby(guest)

SPEAKER_06Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_07home.maath (call-in)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Nikki(guest)

SPEAKER_14Malia(guest)

Key Moments

ControversyNatalie Winters challenges Julie and Nicollet on OnlyFans self-worth: 'I've never seen someone so flippantly be okay with selling their body and soul online'

“I've never seen someone so flippantly be okay with selling their body and soul online I'm chilling”

QuoteNikki introduces herself and immediately defends discussing premarital sex: 'not one of you can judge me except Jesus and he chooses not to'

“the reason I'm comfortable talking about all this is because while I respect all of you and your opinions not one of you can judge me except Jesus and he chooses not to”

OtherNatalie Winters reveals Steve Bannon going to prison July 2024 for 4 months and she will take over War Room hosting

“I am Natalie Winters I don't know why I said my last name um I co-host Steve Bannon's war room I'm from Santa Monica I live in Palm Beach Florida now and I'm 23”

OtherNikki uses drunk driving analogy to defend advocating abstinence despite her own slip-up

“let's say I have a drink and then 45 minutes later I drive my car home... I'm still going to tell people hey don't drink and drive”

OtherNatalie Winters describes 72-hour man who flooded her with inappropriate messages and photos (suspected gay)

“I open it when I get off air like I'm expecting nothing... just like stream of consciousness like 20 texts like we should [do anal together] I really want to be on like just crazy stuff he sent pictures of other people's other men's that came out of nowhere”

OtherAbby reveals near-kidnapping: date grabbed her arm trying to get her into his minivan saying 'most women would have gotten in the car by now'

“he just like kind of grabbed me and he was like oh like hop in like why are you resisting and I was like oh um you know I don't actually want to and he's like well most women would have gotten in the car by now”

OtherNikki reveals she dated a former Y2K Nickelodeon actor who made racist comments on their first date drive home

“we go back uh we're driving back and he's like [certain race] aren't as smart because they are certain race and I just went is this a joke”

OtherNicollet's embarrassing date story: 42yo man couldn't maintain erection; she bullied him then sent flowers as apology

“we're like trying to hook up and it's like his dick isn't getting hard... I start making fun of like his age he was like 42... I sent him flowers to his house”

OtherJulie's 'Rumble Stick' story: ex-boyfriend of 5 years farted through his penis during sex

“he stops kind of you know he's pulls back but he's not all the way out for a huge fart I swear to God I felt it Rumble through his dick into me”

OtherAbby reveals most embarrassing date story: period during sex with queefing blood

“um I think like just a period um while having sex and then queefing blood everywhere”

OtherJulie has anxiety attack ~326 minutes into show; production closes balcony door and brings applesauce

“she had an anxiety attack it happens to the best of us she's having a lot this week all right Nick lock the door”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and OnlyFans debate

Panel introductions (JoJo, Abby, Nicollet, Julie) followed immediately by debate about OnlyFans — Natalie Winters challenges Julie and Nicollet on selling content; discussion of OnlyFans as a pyramid scheme, self-worth, modesty of clothing, and whether it precludes marriage. Alyssa, Abigail, and Natalie Winters also introduced during this segment.

Relationship status and body counts

Brian goes around the table asking each guest their relationship status, longest relationship, and body count. Notable: Abby's ambiguous situationship with Oxnard/Arizona Mexican guy; JoJo's sex sabbatical post-graduation; Nicollet's 30s body count; Julie's 5.5-year LTR now single 3 months. Nikki discusses her Christian abstinence-within-relationship. Malia reveals she waited 2.5 years before being intimate with a past partner.

Nikki: Christian premarital sex debate

Extended discussion about Nikki's Christianity and her slip-up having premarital sex with her current boyfriend. Brian challenges her on hypocrisy (preaching abstinence while having slipped). Nikki responds with the drunk driving analogy. Malia defends Nikki as being more honest than most panel guests. Brian contrasts with 'fake Christian' girls he claims to know about.

Natalie Winters: Steve Bannon prison / political commentary

Natalie explains Steve Bannon going to prison for 4 months starting July 2024 for defying a congressional subpoena from the Jan 6 committee. She argues the subpoena was illegitimate. Plans to take over War Room hosting duties. Also mentions Peter Navarro serving similar sentence. Discussion of censorship and demonetization of conservative podcasts. Natalie's dating life: single 1.5 years, previous prospect turned out to be gay (sent unsolicited photos after 72 hours).

Men are lazy in dating — Abby's date-paying problem

Abby reveals men repeatedly make her pay for dates or her and their meals. Panel debates whether this is Abby's fault (too passive, won't assert herself) or a genuine laziness/exploitation by men. JoJo and others advise Abby to assert herself. Brian notes he has never encountered a girl who admits to this. Discussion of the 'alpha fox' who gets women to pay. Escalates to broad discussion of who should pay on first dates and why.

Abby's sugar daddies and near-kidnapping story

Abby reveals she had two sugar daddies via sugardaddy.com, ~$300/date. Also reveals a separate Hinge date who grabbed her arm and tried to get her in his minivan, saying 'most women would have gotten in the car by now.' Panel and Brian react with shock. Also reveals a 24yo guy who would send her spontaneous Venmo money for yoga clothes etc. (~$2000 total).

Embarrassing date stories round

Each guest shares most embarrassing date story. Abby: period and queef story during sex. Nicollet: date with 42yo man where he couldn't maintain erection; she bullied him then sent him flowers as apology. Julie: 'Rumble stick' story — ex-boyfriend of 5 years farted through his penis during sex. Brian: spilled wine on Japanese date at dive bar. Nikki: family member walked in. Natalie: passed out from first/only weed experience on a date, ate fried alligator while high. Malia: left phone at date's house and had to knock and get it back.

Pre-show notes: Nikki's hookup culture and red pill topics

Brian reads Nikki's pre-show notes: hookup culture is a lie society fed women; red pill culture is also harmful. Nikki discusses dating a former Nickelodeon Y2K actor who made racist comments on drive home. Debate about red pill vs blue pill and women paying for dates. Discussion of whether men not paying is 'red pill game' or just taking advantage.

Man or bear viral topic / women as primary war victims debate

Discussion of 'would you rather encounter a man or a bear in the woods' viral social media trend. Extends into debate about whether men or women are the primary victims of war. JoJo argues women picking up wartime economy makes them victims too. Brian and others push back. Panel mostly agrees men are primary victims of war. Julie mentions R-worded victims as a different category of victim.

Feminism debate — diversity, gender representation, victimhood

Discussion about diversity quotas (30% threshold for diverse teams). Natalie Winters argues against feminist framing of victimhood and notes extreme anecdotal examples used to justify feminism. Debate about whether men or women receive more institutional protections. JoJo argues for diversity in teams improving outcomes. Nikki discusses women acting as victors vs victims in dating culture.

Self-ratings round and TrueRateMe subreddit review

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Abby: 7.9. Nicollet: 9. Nikki: 6.7. Julie skips (anxiety attack). Nick pulls up TrueRateMe subreddit showing celebrity male/female ratings as reference. Panel debates placements (Brian disagrees with some Asian women placements). Includes humorous segment on roast vs rating.

home.maath call-in: transactional relationships and social media

Content creator home.maath calls in via video. Addresses 'if he won't X find someone who will' social media framing. Argues mature relationships are not transactional ('what can I provide') vs modern internet-driven 'what do I want' mentality. Criticizes social media for pulling consciousness toward self-interest. Panel reacts and discusses.

Bumble swipe session

Nick runs each guest through 20-50 Bumble profiles live on stream. Guests mostly say no to virtually all men (JoJo said no to nearly all; Abby had a few yeses including a Mexican-looking man; Nicollet and Julie also mostly no). Brian observes the extreme selectivity. Debate about whether guests are too picky or the profiles don't show well. Guest age ranges stated: Abby 21-30, Julie 25-30, Malia 23-40, Nikki passed, Natalie passed (married), Nicollet 26-45.

Transcript

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Natalie Wintersstuff he sent pictures of other people's other men's that came out of nowhere out of absolutely I had known

Natalie Wintershim for like 72 hours I had like okay I was like EXC what the literal f it get it gets better it gets better I ignore

Natalie Wintersit okay I'm like I don't even know what to say to this so I fly back home and I think from my Instagram story or something he sees that I'm home he's like hey are you around I'm like oh like

Natalie WintersI'm busy he's like oh I'm leaving town tomorrow I was like oh like too bad the next day he texts me he's like hey so sorry uh I just met someone that I'm

Natalie Wintersgoing to start dating you're really cool we should be friends but um I'm going to like focus on her and then kept texting

Natalie Wintersme and like sending me really weird pictures like of where I live so it got really weird wait the the guy who's the guy you thought was gay or was gay same

Natalie Winterswell I think he's closeted I think he like it's like a repressed thing I and it's like I he it was he didn't really want to have it throughway he just wanted be there for plausible deniability so he wasn't gay wait you

Natalie Wintersbut you how long did you know this guy three days like three days you knew him three days you brought him the podcast um how do you like dating up no no just

Brian Atlasout in Florida we had mutual friends we'd come he texted you and he said he wants to S the

Brian AtlasD he wanted to S the D with me same like yeah wow that's it's not weird that's a lot that's crazy so I was like okay

Brian Atlasthat's he's probably not not straight there was something funky there I need yeah you dodged a bullet girl what what else any anything else that he was saying you said it was like a stream of

Brian AtlasConsciousness um well besides pictur pictures of like dudes yeah that he wanted to like just like one looked like

Natalie WintersAI he is not closeted bro he's out yeah no it was really weird I was like I was like oh my gosh I don't I don't know what to do um in Florida man something crazy seriously Florida just rated the worst state today and that being said

Natalie Wintersthere is a new person that I'm talking to how many days has it been I know every time I call on whatever it's there's always someone new but it's like too early to say anything um it's been like a

Brian Atlasmonth girl be careful no weird yet nothing weird yet well yeah everything's we're going to call it the the Natalie Winter's rule you have to wait 72 hours

Brian Atlasbefore making a determination if a man's potentially gay or not if you get any sus text from a guy within a 72-hour period you've been wintered isn't that

Natalie Winterswild damn that's his name is Steve no no yeah no this is so not Steve oh I don't know okay no no no no Steve is I would be honored to find a man like Steve that is

Natalie Wintersage appropriate but I don't know if they make guys like that anymore so going back to Steve is he you think you were going to get him out or what what you know get him out of prison

Natalie Wintersyeah when's he got does he have a report by he to report by July 1st and even though he is a non-violent offender no history of anything at all they're trying to put usually like people maybe people are familiar with like Des duza

Natalie Wintersor those type cases they go to What's called like Club Fed which is sort of like a low security like bunk bed style it's not like hardcore but they're putting Steve in like a hardcore maximum security with like child I won't get

Natalie Wintersinto it all like really bad people and even potentially put putting and and Rikers because he has another court case that's pending in the state of New York for other stuff all of this being said

Natalie Wintersobviously just like President Trump is a convicted felon same with Steve they're just going after them it's obviously just law fair but it really is horrible what they're doing to someone who is I think one of the leading Patriots in this country I'm honored to work for him

Natalie Wintersand I'm sorry to bring him up after I just said what I was talking about but um yeah and it was just like he didn't respond to a subpoena that's it yeah

Natalie WintersEric CER has defied subpoena nothing happened to him um he was a Democrat had to do with the Fast and Furious Scandal they just voted to hold Meritt Garland the AG currently um in contempt of congress nothing has happened to him um

Natalie Wintersbut like I said it's really just because of the um the podcast I mean I'm sure you know when it comes to censorship and demonetization and all that it's really just the culmination of years of of censoring a deep plat we're banned on

Natalie WintersYouTube and Spotify so they just want them off off air well yeah I'm sorry to hear about what's going on with Steve sorry to hear what happened to you and that one guy that's crazy wait what was

Brian Atlasgoing on over here my dad texted me oh you still have your phone on you Apple watch even though you did you miss the part where we were collecting the phones I didn't know it was watches too I'm sorry oh

Brian Atlasit's just a watch all right that's why we missed it all right whatever uh we're going around relationship status body well we got everybody's right okay so oh she wants you really want that you want

Abbybody question go ahead hey guys what's your body count mine's eight eight um I have to count real quick okay let it wait do you have a list in your phone or something no I can like recall

Nikkigo for let it out can you say their names while you do it and their social security number and their credit card number give us the ranking to Mother's made name while you're it really know like I'm going to say like maybe six range we say six if it's six you can

Nicolletcount to six you want to keep counting hit that multiply by three button I know multiply by three and that's I don't have to answer I don't know an exact

Nicolletnumber somewhere like in the 30s 30s okay mine's six I've been more than forthcoming range do you want to give us a range

Maliano less than more than no eight one one less than

Brian Atlasfive all right there you go cool good talk multiply by three that's the real just kidding I'm just kidding okay so let's get into uh some of the pre-show

Brian AtlasNES it's taken us a while let me do two chats and then we'll get into it uh can you read this I feel bad already brown shirt you

JoJoare a very smug self-righteous holier than thou and a hypocrite you can advocate for abstinence before marriage but we don't have to take you seriously

Nikkiwhen you slip up often damn sorry I'm not perfect my bad I wish I were perfect all right go ahead

JoJothank you John Green I wish most women were like Maddie open conversation and understanding that are willing to sacrifice so you don't have to what okay John Green thank you man appreciate it I

Brian Atlasdon't know who that's to appreciate it dude all right thank you man all right let's get into the pre-show notes so we have uh Abby let's start with Abby Abby you said you've been on many dates most

Abbyof them were weird but the weirdest was probably the guy from Ventura who kept taking photos of me for keep sake on the first date uh yes what happened there

Abbytell us the yes so I was on a date in Ventura um and we were at the beach and it was just like a normal first date we

Abbywere going on a walk that's what I like to do um and he kept taking pictures of me on the date and I wasn't doing anything I was just like walking beside

Abbyhim and his phone kept coming out and I'd be like oh haha that's cool that's funny um and I like was a little uncomfortable but I wasn't going to say anything about it because like maybe

Abbythat's normal maybe I don't know if that's normal maybe it's normal but it wasn't until he kept saying like oh this one's just for keep sake oh this one like I'm going to look at this later then I got pretty E I got pretty freaked

Abbyout yeah um that was probably the weirdest one and was there a second date oh absolutely

Brian Atlasnot a text back can I get those pictures back I want those pictures back some of them were probably cute but like wouldn't it

Brian Atlasbe kind of cool if this is the guy you end up dating for a long time or even like spending your life with that would be cool and here's like here's photos of us on our first date that would be kind of cool right but he was weird about it sorry I was like no it was weird it was

Maliaweird you said I'm saving this for later that's I don't know about that I feel like it always depends who does it like if it's some super hunk that does it you're like that was so hot that was straight out of a movie and if it's some

Maliaguy you're not attracted to you're like that was kind of odd so if you're not attractive it's going to feel if a hunk is still taking photos of you saying I'm

Brian Atlassaving this dang I look good probably oh [ __ ] know you you also said you have stories about sugar daddies yes I've had some sugar daddies how did you meet them

Abbyseeking um it's called sugar daddy.com oh sugar Dad I've never heard of that one sugar daddy.com I couldn't like figure out seeking Arrangements like maybe I'm just dense but like I couldn't figure it out couldn't figure it out wait okay I feel like we must know

JoJobecause you've lived in Santa Barbara for 9 months without a job it has to be a sugar daddy right it's not cheap here it's more expensive than La say how you your money I it's fine if it is I want

Brian Atlasto add are the dates for like free meals too like no c e wait yeah the guy from like what

Abbytwo two nights ago did he buy you dinner no oh it was we were only like hanging out for a little bit and then it was did

Abbyyou mean him on sugar daddy.com no okay uh so you have how many how many sugar daddies have you had I've had just two sugar daddies for like a very short

Abbyamount of time okay let's yeah let's talk a bit about that so how short like a month each is one month each yeah okay did you hook up with either of them

Abbyum kind of like it depends on your definition of carnal knowledge sure sex sexual

Brian Atlasintercourse um maybe oh so yes maybe okay so you saw them and you both met them or you met both of them from

Abbythis website mhm are you still on the website no why did you get off it um cuz I don't like them they're like they're too old like I'm not attracted to them like I don't know like I thought I could

Abbybe attracted to the like older guys I was seeing and then like I just wasn't like I'm not going to use them that literally what a sugar I'll a

Brian Atlaslittle bit but like not fully okay so uh what was the nature of the exchange or transaction with the first sugar

Brian Atlasdaddy um what do you mean like what was like the first well I'm assume you met him maybe for coffee or dinner initially we went on a walk did he have to pay for

Brian Atlasthat date did he pay for the walk I mean I've we've had girls on the show who do these seeking Arrangements sugar daddy things and they charge for dates yeah they'll charge to even meet up for

Abbycoffee no what actually happened he offered to like grab the coffee while we walked and I was like too freaked out cuz I didn't want him to like spike it so I bought the coffee and I brought the

Brian Atlascoffee to the date but did he pay you for the date no okay so how was he sugaring like what was the sugaring the sugaring came later

Abbylike after the so what okay but so would he just send you money just cuz um not usually like it would be like after the date like if we went out to supper he'd like buy supper and then send me some

Brian Atlasmoney yeah how much no way you you want to know how much yeah that was very very no way no way I like that you called it supper that was really cute like who who

Brian Atlasanybody else here has sugar daddy I had sugar daddies but I never went on dates with them I've had men send me money but I want to call them sugar daddies yeah I just went I one on Friday yeah well let let's hear from you really quick then we'll come back to her so guys just

Maliarandom dudes on the internet sent you money well like twitch stream so yeah same yeah like I don't communicate with them offline but like sometimes I'll even be in like the background of one of their streams and I'll get like a PayPal

Nicolletof $800 I'm like dang okay yeah damn I don't get $800 yeah that happens I get like 20 bucks if I'm lucky the hell yeah sorry what about you niolet how much

Nicolletyeah it depends like the amount of time but they they'd pay you for like if you went out with them for dinner they'd pay you yeah and I wouldn't wait till after I'm definitely getting it like when I get there you're putting her on some game right here okay as you should as

Nicolletyou should so like for a dinner I mean what what would you charge I guess um on Friday I got a thousand yeah what about like a Wednesday um it would still be a thousand it just depends on like how

Nicolletmuch time they want with me okay so if it's just a dinner it would be just dinner right yeah yeah they want more time with me than more money okay and have you had any dudes just randomly

Brian Atlassend you money or yeah I twitch stream as well well I think like sending a Dono during a stream I don't know if that's really like it's more so like you're privately conversing no no not

JoJoconversing he bab here's 200 sometimes I I will get like random money and be like hey I bought your lunch today and send money like they'll message me well yeah Chatters will do that they like even off stream they'll just like it's not

Abbyexpected a response yeah yeah so if you're comfortable uh just I'm curious how much they're paying you um like a few hundred like 300 maybe not in total or like in

Abbyone transaction um like per date per date yeah 300 bucks mhm always 300 bucks with one of them yeah like that was like the

Brian Atlasrate if you will okay and then would they ever send you money to like take care of expenses like for a haircut or for a car bill or uh utilities rent

Abbyanything like that no not with like a sugar daddy but I was seeing a guy who was like how old was he 24 and he was sending me mad money all the time just I wasn't even like hanging out with him he

Abbysend me things he'd be like how did you meet him just like hinge and when you said he you say he was sending you mad money what do you mean yeah no he'd be

Abbylike here's $200 for yoga clothes like here's a100 for gas like whatever just I didn't ask how much total do you think he sent

Brian Atlasyou maybe 2,000 2,000 okay and what about the uh other two sugar daddies how much did the first one send you total I don't know like I wasn't counting well

Abbyuh couple thousand if we say like I went on a date with him like once a week for a month that's like 36 like not very much and then the other one do you know how much total maybe 500 like it wasn't

Brian Atlasanything C okay why was the hinge guy sending you money just cuz I don't know I really don't know I'm not sure did you guys ever hook up no you never slept together

Brian Atlasno I know I know [ __ ] simps are ruining dating oh boy imagine like you're 21 right mhm imagine dating a girl in college and

Brian Atlassome [ __ ] simp is sending her hundreds of dollars just because she exists should have been on the dating app sooner oh my God [ __ ] that's crazy uh out I want to know how he has that much money at 24 and he's know what he's

Brian Atlasdoing problem is he probably doesn't a lot of go into Deb was he was he trying to like meet up with you though or he was just being full on simp like here's money but no expectations yes he literally said that like it's

JoJookay if like we don't hang out or do anything is it pay Pig you like that you yell at him he would also like was it like a fendom

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)thing this is an insane what the hell was that what the hell was even that what the hell oh boy all right uh we're still

Brian Atlasokay it's crazy it's crazy all right no I mean not what you're doing is crazy more so I blame the dudes yeah I blame the guys doing this [ __ ] that's that's crazy he would do this weird thing where

Abbyhe would like take me out to dinner and order a lot of food even though I insisted like it's kind of expensive like we don't need that much food he would order like a whole buffet for us and wouldn't touch a single bite and

Abbyhe'd say go have some no have some Feer he's a Feer he trying to get her fat you're not a great Target you're quite small no I don't even know B know trying

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)to get her big was it the white guy yes [ __ ] the white [ __ ] no more white men no more feeders oh

Brian Atlasboy G white men what the [ __ ] what the [ __ ] all right you said uh you almost got kidnapped yes is this a different guy

Abbyyes what happened there um he was like almost 30 and he just had like all sorts of red flags he did actually have a minivan a Honda what is it called called the Honda Odyssey run b

Brian Atlasr this is why I don't go outside yeah you got to be is the audio we we change something with the audio does it sound different does it sound better we boosted the gain

Brian Atlasa little bit and then also we did like a i it's either a high pass or low pass filter uh to hopefully hopefully cut out some of the background uh background noise I don't

Brian Atlasknow if it's done anything but chat can you I saw somebody in the chat saying the audio sounds bad Nick could you pull up the chat for me really quick uh so chat is it sound okay does it sound I to

Brian Atlasdoes it sound better does it sound worse does it sound better or worse than normal audio is good I hear the low

Brian Atlaspass seems like we're good sound weird trying to explain sound good A bit clearer sounds normal so we we boosted the game last show but we didn't change

Brian Atlasthe like either pass low pass filter that we just did today but last show we boosted the gain a little bit uh have you guys heard any peaking yes peaking

Brian Atlasor no peaking I mean audio peaking Butters blue pills backgound cars sound worse sus statement audio

Brian Atlaschill sounds okay more low than waight more low than normal that's weird I think sounds lower than normal audio good show equals bad sweet thank

Brian Atlasyou man what is peeking I'm peeking oh gets too loud and then all right I'm sure it's fine I'll do an assessment I would just leave it for the rest of the show

Abbyand fix it another day so uh kidnapped did you tell the story there um I didn't actually get kidnapped obviously cuz I'm I'm here right now today um what was the story of the story was that like we were

Abbyon a date we were walking around that's like my favorite first date cuz like I don't know I don't want to be stuck anywhere public place easy to run away first sure first sure I did run don't you worry I did um but yeah like he was

Abbylike we should get some ice cream or something like after this and I said okay sure and as we were like walking to his minivan cuz at the time I didn't

Abbyhave a car um he just like kind of grabbed me and he was like oh like hop in like why are you resisting and I was like oh um you know I don't actually really want ice cream anymore like I'm

Abbynot comfortable and he's like well most women would have gotten in the car by now and I was like oh okay and I like I don't even remember like I blocked out but I like somehow weasel my way out and I just booked it wow that's the story

Nikkiwell I'm happy you're safe now yeah that's he actually said like the word resisting yes oh wow well I was resisting you need to be more careful on these hinge dates mhm I wonder how he

Nicolletwalk in a public place yeah yeah I don't think that you can explain that away I mean that's a weird scenario to put any person in though he's like come in the van if you want some that's literally what they teach

Brian Atlasyou in stranger danger yeah but what if the was he like did he go was he already in the van like did he sit in his seat and then you were if yeah if he were D

Abbywalking towards the van and then he just like grabbed me and I was like oh yeah he like grabbed your arms yeah my arm was like get in the van had like what had the conversation been before you on

Maliathe date was it more of like a hookup Vibe a date Vibe not that anyway would be your fault I'm just very Pro stating expectations before dates because then there's no like miscommunication but it would have

Abbynever been your fault I'm just curious like how IDE he seemed normal enough I guess like we were having normal like first date conversation I

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)don't know you didn't know it was sort of hookup situation or even through conversation I have no idea well I'm glad you're safe I'm glad you're safe too but I feel like well at least the

Brian Atlasthe way you explained it definitely sounds sus from from his part that's pretty pretty pretty sketchy so there's two sides he was like almost

Brian Atlas30 that's uncomfortable that's very uncomfortable God that's creepy uh okay you said dating hot takes I keep finding people that people don't understand how STDs are transmitted [ __ ] scary

Abbybecause nobody around here has ever seen a condom what do you mean by that um exactly what I said um in Isa Vista people like don't use protection and I've also found that like if I've ever like hooked up with someone and I was

Abbythe one to bring up like oh like when was the last time you got tested they either like just have never like been tested ever in their entire [ __ ] lives and they might be like in their

Abby20s and they've hooked up with several people um and then like sometimes like people would say like oh you would just just know if you have an STD I was like

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)holy [ __ ] not you can have chyia for months and not know it and it to it can mess up your fertility you won't be able to have children you have it too long like it's you got to get tested regardless the whole thing yeah okay all

Abbyright and I mean so like you'd be hooking up with the guy and he's oh don't have a condom I'm allergic to latex you can get um you can get that aren't latex I know other mediums I know

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)he didn't I guess should keep them on you you should keep them on you yeah you should just keep he wasn't going to use it either way um you can make him use it don't do anything until he uses it we didn't do anything okay but I'm just

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)like saying for the future you should keep them with you to keep and keep yourself safe keep yourself safe yes I'm aware yeah okay great FAS wait I I have a I have a question on this I have a question on this so obviously like uh

Brian Atlaswould you guys be fine like let's say you're hooking up with a guy and you want to have sex but he's like oh I I don't really like to use condoms and assuming he respected your boundaries

Brian Atlasbut he said well I don't want to have sex unless it's uh without a condom Abol would you respect no I'm not I'm not saying would you have sex with him that's not what I'm asking would you

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)respect you he can have his boundaries you can have your boundaries right but would you respect his choice to not want to have sex for that reason um I'll I'll respect and also think that he might be

Maliaa little nasty everyone has their preferences I think it's just having those conversations before you're intimate with somebody and strangers without a condom that's czy if he can pull up his

Malialike STD history and when he last check did he get tested two days ago also if someone says they don't want to have sex I'm not going to be like what the are you serious like if you don't want to we don't have to it's okay if he's pulling

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)at same day hey this is my STD test and it's like all negative I just think if you want dated today literally I feel like if you want to have sex without a condom that's like you either need to be in a relationship or very close to being

JoJoin a relationship Everyone's entitled to their preferences and you're entitled to say no Safety First well I'm I'm very Pro safe sex as in like getting tested every sexual partner every time you even

Brian Atlashave sexual intercourse things like that so like um SE first yeah I'll get [ __ ] I'll get my view on this uh so I'm not interested in like having a bunch of casual sex a bunch of different people

Brian Atlaslike I prefer having like a girlfriend long-term relationship but truthfully at least for me um I feel like it's kind of like land of no return or whatever I don't know once you've had sex without a

Brian Atlascondom you can't go back I'd honestly literally like if if it's the the choice is have sex with her with a condom and don't have sex with her I'd rather just not have sex I mean condoms do I know

JoJothat sounds crazy I'm a woman and I'm a 100p on that age i' rather just not it honestly it doesn't do but it could go two ways with men and women they could be kind of like manipulating in the way

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)where it's like oh I'm not saying it's but that's what thing like I totally agree with you but that's why I would never have sex if I wasn't like in a relationship or very close to being in one I I would rather like I'd rather

Brian Atlasjust if we have to have sex with a condom like I'd rather just not and I'm totally cool with us not having sex I would just rather like if she tried to like pressure no let's still [ __ ] I'd be

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)like toughy let's just cuddle that's a t odd let's just I'm turn down I honestly agree I'm going to turn her down I'm not going to if she's not like if she's just not down we could hit it from the back that's

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)totally cool that's totally cool we don't i' just rather not have sex crazy sorry crazy no if you're a relationship guy that makes sense to me that's fine yeah right I'm Rel if you're if you're

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)sleeping with random people you should be you know using condom whatever they like if it's up completely different but like if you're not having sex outside of relationships like it doesn't really like matter that's as long as you're

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)tested before and after probably just during as well wait during yeah during as well in case your partner cheat tested during a relationship yes

Brian Atlasin I'd rather just not have a hand job like if if the only choice like I'm I'm with a girl and she's like I don't want to do anything else but I guess I'll get oh that's terrible framing but yeah like

Brian Atlasthe pity hand job it's a Pity handob this dry hand can do a lot of work i' rather I'd rather just not even I don't even want a hand job no hand job natal's

Brian Atlaslaugh right right chat either wait Chad I'll take girl like I don't want to do anything but I'll give you a hand job wouldn't you turn down the hand job

Brian Atlasthat's crazy that's crazy you rather your own hand to cuddle no I'd rather nothing you rather World of Warcraft there's no such thing as a good World of Warcraft my baby there's no such there's

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)no there's no such thing as a good hand job right chat no yes if you agree about this conversation man what do you what there might be a decent one out there there's got to be at least one that was good there no such thing as a good there's got to be at least one that was

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)decent I'm just kidding no such thing he's got calluses his Skin's all ripped up it's like sandpaper yeah he's got a sandpaper hand a woman's touch might hit a little nicer

Brian Atlasanyways all right all right moving on moving on um ear muffs to the to the uh anyways um you said you think that men have become really lazy in

Brian Atlasdating yes what do you mean what do you mean by that o um I mean I'm paying a lot of the time oh uh one sub thank you

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Brian Atlasstreaming on Twitch we're going to do you give it to I bought the streaming backpack I'm getting it set up are you inter it's going be yeah can you give it to us so I can follow you after Street

Brian Atlasinterviews would go so hard and then you guys can like come on and stream with oh absolutely I'm raiding you every night baby think she the best person in the world oh wow that's offensive what's your what's your or hello I'm right here

MaliaI don't care you trying to shoot your shot what the I'm still sh she's by curious I'm both our body can by one that yeah guys we we are

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Brian Atlasbut I I think we're what do you know I'm asking she's asking question shut your mouth yeah I mean we're going to try to do like super regular streams and like walking around or like yeah well we kind

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)of want to bring the show to the street that would be fun like you do interviews that would be super fun makes sense so entertaining godamn I got I got it's perfect sense men are being lazy

Abbytell us about that explain the bill you're paying you're paying for the bill or yes like outside of the sugar daddy situations and like that one random like

Abbyfeeder guy um like I'm I'm paying you mean for both yes you pay for the guy yes really I'm paying pay for your meal and walk out so

JoJohow does that work so is it the guy who's asking you out yeah like he's like hey let's go get dinner ask a question I'm sorry if it comes off offensive how

JoJoare you affording this because there's you have no income you moved here from Massachusetts right her her inheritance her parents own a maple

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)syrup conglomerate she's from Vermont Vermont Vermont she's a hustler what I don't understand is like why would you pay for their meal as well like why don't you just pay for yours and walk out screw

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)them you don't have to pay for them usually cuz I like them I'm going out I'm too nice she seems too nice I mean I mean if but if they're like are they even offering beforehand or like they're just like being weird about it yeah so if they're not going to offer and

Abbythey're going to be weird like okay pay for your own stuff and be like okay pay for your own meal then the least that you can do is offer I me I'm totally fine paying for my own meal and all that but the least you can do is offer it's not like that simple though cuz they guilt trip you like some of these guys

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)are so man they like I don't have any money that sucks to suck that's crazy but it comes insane though they go to dat they have no money that's not your fault you tell them to eat a dick what's

Abbythat no scrub you sit down and you like have your meal like they give you the bill like I'm not going to walk out and not pay like my waiters my waitresses like the restaurant they can they can

Maliafigure out how to pay the waiter I'm not trying to be Pro man but this is what happens to men every single day so like it's kind of a crazy discussion that we're having rewind they expect me to pay no I'll pay no I agree I like what

Nikkimen pay for me but it is kind of like a funny hear for my own stuff like inviting the person out to the date whoever invites I age yeah how are you affording this how this is a good question don't know how do you have

JoJomoney I think that's me none of us none of us are NS but I do want to

Natalie Wintersknow the last check or wire that came into your bank account like where was the source of that money don't listen to them you don't have to they for the IRS for the the Ops believe me the IRS get AED but I think that's what I mean cuz

JoJolike even then like if I went on a first date with a guy I'd still pay my own bills so where I'm coming from is like you should just pay your own stuff no no I'll just pay my own things I'll pay I don't need to split half I don't go on I'm not splitting can is different

JoJothough you have like your own tabs it's not weird sorry yeah if my mentality with dates and I've told you guys this many times is if I go on a date and they they want to pay the whole bill I feel feel almost obligated to text back and

JoJothat's why I if they want to pay the whole bill be like no let me get at least a portion I'll pay for the whole like check but I I just the the idea to me is like if they pay the whole bill I'll feel bad they obligated to like

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)text them back oh yeah thank you so much I'm oh so sweet if he offers even don't like them whole bill I'll be like well no let me get it but if he's going to sit there and be like I have to go to

Maliathe bathroom like [ __ ] you pay your own bill yeah I'll pay my own bill like whatever he didn't what about the situationship are you guys going 50/50

Maliahe's no not situationship no chance I really want I hope he's just cuz I think I think when you're actually dating I think the dynamic when you're dating it's different because you do usually like with dating you do okay you hit it

AbbyI hit it you hit it I hit it at least for me like one at a time I agree I am not saying that I want to be paying for everything and I think that I would like to stop doing that um I think you should

Abbyyeah I think I should as well and the question was like oh like Abby you think that men are being lazy and dating yes and this is why I find myself like guilt tripped and manipulated into paying for

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)literally everything just don't pay for their meal dog just get get your bill for your own meal what if you like them what if you care about I'm be are you going to like you you're you're literally saying that you you feel like men are being lazy and dating but then

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)you're also saying like what if I like them you don't like them he didn't pay for your meal you got to Beal Pi your own meal and leave back up come he's not your man baby it sounds like you're willing to put up with it

Abbycuz you're making don't put up with it I think so don't put up with it it depends what she wants she's paying the whole bill what does she need to put up with

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)oh she doesn't need to but she is I got it I fixed it that's true what no but what what does she need to put up with I didn't say that she's talking about what should she not she she's talking about how when she goes out to dates with men

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)and then at the end of the day dat you know she feels she has to pay the whole bill like her bill and the man's meal yeah no that's fine but then she's also saying like but I'm super traditional I don't like that men aren't paying for my dinner wait did I miss the

Brian Atlaspart where she said she's super traditional that's what she said she said she wants men to pay for her things obviously she is hold on let me just come in here for just a sec you're super traditional or I remember so let me

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)throw that window like okay let me throw super traditional out the window for the right let me throw super traditional out the window but she did say that she would prefer that men pay for meals because they're lazy and dating but if

Abbyyou're going out on dates with men who aren't paying your meals why are you paying for for their meals throw them out the window well it's not intentional um besides maybe with like some specific

Abbypeople I'm seeing like repeatedly like I don't go into a first date thinking like oh yeah like if they don't want to pay I'm going to like put up with it like it's just what are you going to do like

AbbyI am not the type of person to not pay if we sit down if it's more like no it's just so awkward like or what if it's just burgers and you're like at the window and you like order your burgers and they're like okay the bill is this

AbbyI'm not going to like look at like the person serving us or like taking the bill and look at like the guy and be like um guess we can't get burgers like I guess we can't eat like go let's let's go into an actual example okay give us

Brian Atlasan did that happen you were you were at a burger place I I hold on hold on hold on were you actually at a burger place and this actually happened um it probably has happened

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)what do you it what do you mean it probably has that are you just how does it happen that how want to know how you're affording all of this I I also have that question I really my thing is

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)is that it's like if you want a man to pay for your dinner why would you pay for his dinner at all I understand that you you're saying you feel awkward and stuff but like you either want him to pay for you or not I can't force someone

Abbyto pay on no you can't you can you can say I'm paying for my own meal they'll get their and I say that like I offer I'm like hey why don't we go 50/50 but they guilt trip you they say I don't have any money like there's always

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)something tell to eat a dick what and then you walk out no no you pay for your own meal and tell them screw you I'm not I think you don't really have to put up with something like this what kind of baby you got to stick up for yourself

Brian Atlasyou got to stick up for yourself she's getting way too many questions let's do one at a time Abigail is going to ask you oh I want to know how you're getting money okay yeah people have been curious

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)why don't you answer that okay um I don't know super like how to I just have it um does make any sense uh lot of money in your bank account how did you

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)just come across a ton of money can you take me to dinner I might not pay she have any money yeah don't look at me I'm not saving you no we don't have to go into and remember

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)the almost 30-year-old trick kid almost I seriously just feel like if you I seriously feel like you should just tell men no if you don't want to pay for their meals you need to get to a point where you can tell people

Abbyno can you walk me through this situation where put yourself in my shoes like it's going down you are sitting you're sitting down at supper mhm you

JoJoget the bill mhm and they so this is what I ordered can you put that on a separate bill for me that's what you would say to the yes I would because I'm for own us are like single like well no no even if I'm in a relationship

Maliaanything like that I'll pay for my own thing the I think the thing is is you need to get more comfortable telling people no no you need to stop going on hinge dates with dudes you don't like and then being surprised when it doesn't work out it's like not a match from the beginning if you're hanging out you're

Nicollethanging out if you're on a date you're on a DAT I don't think it's I was going to say there seems to be a pattern of you going out with guys who don't pay so maybe I mean it's on her look for different not on her I think you just seem to get comfortable with telling

Brian Atlaspeople no I think you'll get there eventually I'm just a little confused I mean okay so how old are the guys you're typically dating like in their 20s in their 20s and I'm assuming at least the

Brian Atlasway it typically goes like asking you out correct um yes okay so you're matching with them on dating apps yes of how many and how many times would you say that this has occurred where you've

Abbygone on a date and you paid the whole bill 50% of the time but no not percentage how many dates there's been so many Brian I could

Abbynot give you a number oh for sure more than 10 um I don't know I don't know how long have you been dating I've been

Brian Atlasdating since I was like legal to do that like I just wait legal wait what wait let me read this La Paladin trust obviously she's picking dates the same

Brian Atlasway that men pick women she doesn't care about their money just like men don't care about a woman's money well it's still I mean even if you're wealthy or not wealthy typically people are going to I'm not wealthy I I also want to I

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)also just feel like you seem like a sweet girl and you kind of have a duty to you know put your you know protect yourself and whatever and if you don't like the way you're being treated because you think you know men aren't treating you right on date stuff you have a duty to tell them no I'm not

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)paying for you on the date if you don't want to no one's going to advocate for you except yourself exactly I feel like maybe it's the way you're presenting yourself to these she pushover yes yes I

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)mean I I I have pretty bad anxiety say to him say you're not Julie has terrible anxiety I have horrible anxiety I had panic attacks in the karaoke bar just kind of I mean as a guy I've never gone

Brian Atlasinto a date especially if I asked the girl I've never gone into the date ever expecting that she pay the whole bill perhaps there's you know perhaps it could at uh at minimum be a split or I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to just pay for the whole thing so it's odd to me that these guys are going like they're asking you on a date but they're not even going in prepared to at least pay their bill that's really weird that's really

JoJoweirds but that's what she's saying that men are getting lazy and dating that's her point we can even double down with this area and like how expensive this area is in particular and things like that it's like it's a Santa barbar

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)problem even but even no no that's that's what's weird about it I'm saying it's like well I mean people are definitely struggling struggling I mean even with all that you should be able to tell people like [ __ ] no like you know I

Maliaearned this myself problem you trying to move out here even if you do like them they should respect you if they like you they'll respect you when you say no but I think the problem is like from what you've said earlier is that you win on dates because you want a friend and like

Maliayou're kind of filling time and like looking for a companion so I think you're probably just not picking the kind of men who are paying for dates and that's no shade to you like I like hanging out with people as well I think it's probably just the people that

Abbyyou're picking you should be a little more selective I don't like go on like dates where you would like pay for something like supper with the guys who I don't think I like very much that's like a walk wait can I ask you a

Brian Atlasquestion are you so you said this has happened like at least 10 times or so yeah probably okay and are you going more so to like sit down restaurants some sometimes and or sometimes it's

Brian Atlaslike go to the counter Habit Burger you go to the counter and Order h h no first date but it's happening on second dates too you're still

Abbypaying well like on the first date I don't we don't we walk like we like it doesn't cost money like he has to get himself there and we're walking okay so on first dates you don't go for like food or drinks or anything okay so this

Brian Atlasis this is happening on second dat that's why are you propos hold on are you opposing the walking date or are they me because I I don't so then but okay so if you're initiating the first date are you not then initiating the

Brian Atlassecond date I didn't initiate the date I just chose the but you said men are lazy men are lazy because I go on dates with them and they don't pay but that's never been the case for a first date because

Abbyyou only go on walking dates and you ask for the walking dates so second dates you're asking for the second date or they're asking for the the second date it depends like it depends on the it's

Brian Atlasnot like the same every time so second dates that they ask for you're encountering men that are not willing to pay yes the bill yes even though they

Abbythey're asking for it correct okay and so are you offering to pay no I'm not offering I get put in a position where I feel like I have to so give us an

Brian Atlasexample give us three examples feel I have okay well so the waiter comes yes and then puts okay

Abbyuh hope you guys had a good meal I'm the waiter what happens explain it to me I'll kind of like sit there and like I always will like [ __ ] around with my purse or my wallet just to like seem

Abbycourteous yes exactly you want to see like what's going to happen here what's going to unfold and then at that point sometimes they really don't pick up their wallet and they might be on their

Abbyphone they might have gotten up to leave and then I'm kind of like oh [ __ ] like you get anxious and you don't think about it you're just like well it's okay it's not that big of a deal it's only like $20 like there you go and it's just

Abbydone you want it off your hands I'm not going to be like confrontational I just might not see them again after that but like it's not one of those things where I'm going to be like oh you should pay or like we need to do this you don't have about bring cash to your dates and

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)you just kind of yeah you also don't have to be you don't have to be confrontational but you also need to be assertive if that's what you want like it's not even assertive it's like

Abbywe're spitting this yeah that's what I'm saying say like hey are we splitting this or or what's going on here just up ask them that's not an issue they say oh like I'm really tight on money right now

Abbylike I can't do it and then so then say pay for your own meal then how many times has that actually happened has that happened more than one time yes it's happened more than what I've been say different different guys different guys how many different guys has a guy

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)said the checks come oh I'm tied on money half the time I go on a date which I have been on quite a few that happens that's also like if they're tired on money and they can't pay for their own meal go wash dishes in the back babe you

Nikkidid it to yourself you did it to yourself okay but what makes it lazy seems I this is I I believe you it just sounds very

Nicolletno lazy is like you can't even pay your own way I would say that's what makes it lazy why are you going up a lobster dinner if you can't pay for your lobster dinner it's a $20 day the type of guy who's okay going on a $20 date I

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)wouldn't expect him to pay hold on hold on that's not true that's not true I hold on that's not true I'm totally fine with a $20 date I just I you need to pay your own way or let me know beforehand

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)instead of me being stuck there with a bill or McDonald's isn't even $20 I'll [ __ ] McDonald's are you getting a $20 I'll pick you up in my car and I'll drive to

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)McDonald's right now I don't care I'll be suar but my question is what me like I just feel like you're describing the fact that you had to pay as like the men are lazy but like for

JoJothe multiple years years ago where men were meant to pay were the women lazy that's I even want to scratch that idea the lazy the how are they lazy as

JoJoin they go to this dinner they they're there and you don't even like present the idea of being like let's split the bill laziness would be like like I don't even know what

JoJolaziness would be because even sh you're being taken advantage work behind lack of commun like L paladins donated

TTS$200 if you run into one broke dude you ran into run into one broke dude if you only run into broke dudes you are the problem she's picking Dudes Only on his appearance and I don't think that's

Abbynecessarily true I think she might just be shy do they speak English oh I'm shy yeah I'm really shy are do they speak English or they fluent in English yes okay well do I'm really shy I mean

Nikkiyou're young and you're if you're not well even if you're not sh I'm here because I'm cof maybe exclusively coffee a worst case scenario that can just one sec guys La paladins thank you let me

Brian Atlasjust read this really quick uh John Green okay how many women do you think would have to be respected after before sex considering STDs wait what that doesn't what would their body count be before how many women do you think would have to be respected after before that

Brian Atlasdoesn't make any sense this is when we were talking about oh this is a while a while ago but 20 20 minutes ago green by the way send it through streamlabs if you can I mean YouTube's folling but YouTube takes that big percentage so

JoJothank you John Green appreciate it man appreciate it I don't understand the question really though do you guys get what he's asking if it's something about STDs I do ask about like once last time you got STD sex I always ask about that

JoJoyou should always respect them before sex I only respect them not after does I'm kidding question after you go get test

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)still right still do it right I have a feeling he's saying like would we really be considering respecting a woman if we have to consider STDs meaning she's had so many partners that like you have to

Brian Atlasconsider he's saying he's saying about like would we consider like she does whatever you need to consider she's going to do

Brian Atlaswhatever McKenna does whatever she does whatever that's kind of frisky there Makenna thank you all right uh wait so anyways going back to this uh okay so I want to give you a couple strategies

Brian Atlashere okay strategies first off you got to just like death if at the end if the waiter brings the the bill I'm giving you game here right uh you got to just

Brian Atlasyou can't be oh let me look through my purse try to do the whole like uh token oh you want should you want me to get this no you got to just sit there sit there and just [ __ ] look at them yep

Brian Atlasbut then what if I'm a [ __ ] like I don't want to be a [ __ ] have money wait oh oh wait here's another question any of these guys who made you pay on the second

Maliadate did you smash him oh don't tell damn good for them good for those good for those guys Alpha stand up let's

Nikkigo wait did you have carinal knowledge you got to be pick a different phrase carnal

Abbyknowledge um s and uh p and the V yeah it's no it's fine um not all of them well if you're going to reward them

Maliafor bad behavior and not do anything Behavior what if that's ganger son think you need to have a much more clear line of communication before did they get a cell phone from the

Maliagovernment okay never mind they got an obam phone no I think you should just have these conversations before you go out and it seems like you do cuz it's on the second day but be like hey this is what I'm looking for if this is not what

Brian Atlasyou're looking for wait these you said you date like only Mexican guys were these like Mexican guys sometimes yes I thought like Mexican guys were super traditional from Oar most no but they're

Natalie Wintersmore like traditional I was like mine do you like present yourself as having a lot of money like do you say oh I'm just here I don't have a job I think she's actually an arist to

Abbya I'm just existing like I'm wearing like normal clothes like I'm I'm not even wealthy I'm just like me like I think they do assume that though cuz they assume that because I'm like not in

Abbyschool I don't work but I'm still existing and have been and in Santa Barber California yeah literally and I have like I don't have a beater car like kind of do you have your own place no I

TTSdon't have my own place you have a roommate or housemate I have a housemate okay you look Detective Mike Hunt donated $200 oh

Brian Atlasyes they were Brave and decent men He's a brave and a decent man he's a pioneer these men are pioneering I got to I got to get some game from these guys they're

Brian Atlasthey're hold on the girl is paying for the date and they're still it's manipulation do you want to manipulate people wait how do they manipulate yeah but at what cost

Abbylike these guys are it's a guilt trip like if someone's telling you I'm dirt poor like I really I really like you like you're so beautiful like I really want to see you but like I just really don't have the money like this week maybe next week like what are you going

JoJoto do you're him in the first place you're getting finessed I'm if you're you you're going out to dinner with him you shouldn't have seen him in the first place if he can even pay for his own portion of the meal oh Lord if that's

JoJothe case if he's like oh I'm so I'll do it next week I'm so sorry I'm so broke then he should have waited till next week this is crazy this is a crazy conversation like wait okay hold on well I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong first off I think

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)they're lying they probably do have money but they're they're probably just using you secondly send them VMA request secondly I think that uh [ __ ] was I going to say sorry interrupted uh I feel like men just

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)think that they look bad to women if they don't pay so like they have to kind of find a way to get them to pay so it's not necessarily manipulation in my eyes but it's like find a way to get they want they have the money maybe they're just lying about it because they're like

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)hey like I don't know how to tell you that like I'm not I'm not going to pay for the date like I think you should pay yeah I just feel like men get looked down on if they don't pay for it so they kind of have to make an so in addition to splitting the bill or

Brian Atlaseven paying for the whole bill you said driving so you'll pick these dudes up on occasion and then you'll also you put in more time I guess um ah man it sucks I'm

Abbynot happy about it and I hear like the table saying like yeah that's that's the consensus is like this is your fault like you're the re a certain I don't think it's your fault at all I think oh whoa I feel like

Maliawe're missing no I think you're young and I think there's a lack of like communication a lack of like boundaries that you're comfortable with I don't mean it in a way that it's your fault I'm just trying to be like oh you should just be more careful about

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)you don't have to allow yourself to continue going through this and you deserve a lot better I do want to say when I said you when I said you might have been shy earlier you seemed like you were a little like upset by me saying that and I I didn't mean that it

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)was just me like trying to engage with like what exactly is going on like I was just trying to figure it out like if you're not shy you're not shy City Boys

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)but I boy summer I I do think you should probably you know vet these men out before you go on dates with them if you don't like the dates that you're going on if you don't like that you're picking them up you don't like that they're that

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)you're paying for their their dinner blah blah blah blah blah you should say tell them before you go on the date I'm not paying for your dinner I got be honest this is this is hold on hold on this is crazy though

Brian Atlasbecause like I've never encountered a girl who's like asked me like hey do you have enough to at least pay for your meal like the fact like she's admirable

Brian Atlasreally the the girl like it's a bold I at least as a girl like the the minimum should be you're at least going to you're going to pay your thing he's going to pay his that's a given like that's minimum a given a lot

Brian Atlasof guys are just going to pay for the whole meal but the fact that they're the guy as a male you're going on a date and not at least expecting to pay for your

Brian Atlasown [ __ ] that's weird like I've never you should I have enough next week it's like at at the end of the day you just shouldn't pay for their stuff if you don't want to that would be weird to do

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)with a friend like if you're meeting up with a friend for food and like I pay for their [ __ ] all the time what the hell oh no but if you don't bring it like you I don't know you should always have your own money that's oh no you should always have your own money you should but you

Brian Atlasshould also be ready to tell people no at the same time or beta Buck be the alpha fox that gets the woman to buy you dinner if you're buying her food she sees you as a provider Trend harder uh I only buy dinner for Brian a yeah D you

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)eting good tonight godam that mean he's a AF call me Brian I want a free meal okay Paladin thank you bro thank you identify as Brian I identify as Brian L paladins

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)thank you bro appreciate I'm a paladin actually I'm a level 11 blood Paladin you're a level 11 I just started last night I renewed my wow subscription I'm busy for the next couple months good to know thank you for sharing yeah that's

Maliacrazy man you got you gotta talk to a doctor about that or something I think no I think you're just a sweet girl and you enjoy the company but I think you should be you should set more boundaries moving forward they're definitely

Brian Atlaswalking all over you yeah besides just the fact that you like Mexican guys what else is your type guys who don't like blasted in tats guys who have no money no that doesn't necessarily

Abbymatter I like the hair like curly hair like physically like that's more important than what do they call that haircut the curly hair haircut doesn't matter just like I thought called Edgar

Abbythink she's referring to that what's the age range of the guys they're like all all over like anywhere from like 19 to like 30 it's like in

JoJothere what's the oldest guy who made you pay tough like 35 28 that's that's some that's some game right there yeah I got to meet these

Nikkidudes these guys are some [ __ ] Legends game that's just like taking advantage of someone who hasn't it's kind of game hasn't yet stepped into her own boundaries it's kind of game would

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