ONLY 1% Of Men Attractive?! She ONLY Dates Narcissists?! Men Are LAZY?! E-GIRLS! | Dating Talk #171

Date: 2024-06-19

Duration: 7h 04m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJulie (DT171)>

NNikki (DT171)>

AAlyssa (DT171-married)>

AAbigail (DT171-WA)>

NNatalie Winters >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02JoJo(guest)

SPEAKER_03Nicollet(guest)

SPEAKER_04Natalie Winters(guest)

SPEAKER_05Abby(guest)

SPEAKER_06Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_07home.maath (call-in)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Nikki(guest)

SPEAKER_14Malia(guest)

Key Moments

ControversyNatalie Winters challenges Julie and Nicollet on OnlyFans self-worth: 'I've never seen someone so flippantly be okay with selling their body and soul online'

“I've never seen someone so flippantly be okay with selling their body and soul online I'm chilling”

QuoteNikki introduces herself and immediately defends discussing premarital sex: 'not one of you can judge me except Jesus and he chooses not to'

“the reason I'm comfortable talking about all this is because while I respect all of you and your opinions not one of you can judge me except Jesus and he chooses not to”

OtherNatalie Winters reveals Steve Bannon going to prison July 2024 for 4 months and she will take over War Room hosting

“I am Natalie Winters I don't know why I said my last name um I co-host Steve Bannon's war room I'm from Santa Monica I live in Palm Beach Florida now and I'm 23”

OtherNikki uses drunk driving analogy to defend advocating abstinence despite her own slip-up

“let's say I have a drink and then 45 minutes later I drive my car home... I'm still going to tell people hey don't drink and drive”

OtherNatalie Winters describes 72-hour man who flooded her with inappropriate messages and photos (suspected gay)

“I open it when I get off air like I'm expecting nothing... just like stream of consciousness like 20 texts like we should [do anal together] I really want to be on like just crazy stuff he sent pictures of other people's other men's that came out of nowhere”

OtherAbby reveals near-kidnapping: date grabbed her arm trying to get her into his minivan saying 'most women would have gotten in the car by now'

“he just like kind of grabbed me and he was like oh like hop in like why are you resisting and I was like oh um you know I don't actually want to and he's like well most women would have gotten in the car by now”

OtherNikki reveals she dated a former Y2K Nickelodeon actor who made racist comments on their first date drive home

“we go back uh we're driving back and he's like [certain race] aren't as smart because they are certain race and I just went is this a joke”

OtherNicollet's embarrassing date story: 42yo man couldn't maintain erection; she bullied him then sent flowers as apology

“we're like trying to hook up and it's like his dick isn't getting hard... I start making fun of like his age he was like 42... I sent him flowers to his house”

OtherJulie's 'Rumble Stick' story: ex-boyfriend of 5 years farted through his penis during sex

“he stops kind of you know he's pulls back but he's not all the way out for a huge fart I swear to God I felt it Rumble through his dick into me”

OtherAbby reveals most embarrassing date story: period during sex with queefing blood

“um I think like just a period um while having sex and then queefing blood everywhere”

OtherJulie has anxiety attack ~326 minutes into show; production closes balcony door and brings applesauce

“she had an anxiety attack it happens to the best of us she's having a lot this week all right Nick lock the door”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and OnlyFans debate

Panel introductions (JoJo, Abby, Nicollet, Julie) followed immediately by debate about OnlyFans — Natalie Winters challenges Julie and Nicollet on selling content; discussion of OnlyFans as a pyramid scheme, self-worth, modesty of clothing, and whether it precludes marriage. Alyssa, Abigail, and Natalie Winters also introduced during this segment.

Relationship status and body counts

Brian goes around the table asking each guest their relationship status, longest relationship, and body count. Notable: Abby's ambiguous situationship with Oxnard/Arizona Mexican guy; JoJo's sex sabbatical post-graduation; Nicollet's 30s body count; Julie's 5.5-year LTR now single 3 months. Nikki discusses her Christian abstinence-within-relationship. Malia reveals she waited 2.5 years before being intimate with a past partner.

Nikki: Christian premarital sex debate

Extended discussion about Nikki's Christianity and her slip-up having premarital sex with her current boyfriend. Brian challenges her on hypocrisy (preaching abstinence while having slipped). Nikki responds with the drunk driving analogy. Malia defends Nikki as being more honest than most panel guests. Brian contrasts with 'fake Christian' girls he claims to know about.

Natalie Winters: Steve Bannon prison / political commentary

Natalie explains Steve Bannon going to prison for 4 months starting July 2024 for defying a congressional subpoena from the Jan 6 committee. She argues the subpoena was illegitimate. Plans to take over War Room hosting duties. Also mentions Peter Navarro serving similar sentence. Discussion of censorship and demonetization of conservative podcasts. Natalie's dating life: single 1.5 years, previous prospect turned out to be gay (sent unsolicited photos after 72 hours).

Men are lazy in dating — Abby's date-paying problem

Abby reveals men repeatedly make her pay for dates or her and their meals. Panel debates whether this is Abby's fault (too passive, won't assert herself) or a genuine laziness/exploitation by men. JoJo and others advise Abby to assert herself. Brian notes he has never encountered a girl who admits to this. Discussion of the 'alpha fox' who gets women to pay. Escalates to broad discussion of who should pay on first dates and why.

Abby's sugar daddies and near-kidnapping story

Abby reveals she had two sugar daddies via sugardaddy.com, ~$300/date. Also reveals a separate Hinge date who grabbed her arm and tried to get her in his minivan, saying 'most women would have gotten in the car by now.' Panel and Brian react with shock. Also reveals a 24yo guy who would send her spontaneous Venmo money for yoga clothes etc. (~$2000 total).

Embarrassing date stories round

Each guest shares most embarrassing date story. Abby: period and queef story during sex. Nicollet: date with 42yo man where he couldn't maintain erection; she bullied him then sent him flowers as apology. Julie: 'Rumble stick' story — ex-boyfriend of 5 years farted through his penis during sex. Brian: spilled wine on Japanese date at dive bar. Nikki: family member walked in. Natalie: passed out from first/only weed experience on a date, ate fried alligator while high. Malia: left phone at date's house and had to knock and get it back.

Pre-show notes: Nikki's hookup culture and red pill topics

Brian reads Nikki's pre-show notes: hookup culture is a lie society fed women; red pill culture is also harmful. Nikki discusses dating a former Nickelodeon Y2K actor who made racist comments on drive home. Debate about red pill vs blue pill and women paying for dates. Discussion of whether men not paying is 'red pill game' or just taking advantage.

Man or bear viral topic / women as primary war victims debate

Discussion of 'would you rather encounter a man or a bear in the woods' viral social media trend. Extends into debate about whether men or women are the primary victims of war. JoJo argues women picking up wartime economy makes them victims too. Brian and others push back. Panel mostly agrees men are primary victims of war. Julie mentions R-worded victims as a different category of victim.

Feminism debate — diversity, gender representation, victimhood

Discussion about diversity quotas (30% threshold for diverse teams). Natalie Winters argues against feminist framing of victimhood and notes extreme anecdotal examples used to justify feminism. Debate about whether men or women receive more institutional protections. JoJo argues for diversity in teams improving outcomes. Nikki discusses women acting as victors vs victims in dating culture.

Self-ratings round and TrueRateMe subreddit review

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Abby: 7.9. Nicollet: 9. Nikki: 6.7. Julie skips (anxiety attack). Nick pulls up TrueRateMe subreddit showing celebrity male/female ratings as reference. Panel debates placements (Brian disagrees with some Asian women placements). Includes humorous segment on roast vs rating.

home.maath call-in: transactional relationships and social media

Content creator home.maath calls in via video. Addresses 'if he won't X find someone who will' social media framing. Argues mature relationships are not transactional ('what can I provide') vs modern internet-driven 'what do I want' mentality. Criticizes social media for pulling consciousness toward self-interest. Panel reacts and discusses.

Bumble swipe session

Nick runs each guest through 20-50 Bumble profiles live on stream. Guests mostly say no to virtually all men (JoJo said no to nearly all; Abby had a few yeses including a Mexican-looking man; Nicollet and Julie also mostly no). Brian observes the extreme selectivity. Debate about whether guests are too picky or the profiles don't show well. Guest age ranges stated: Abby 21-30, Julie 25-30, Malia 23-40, Nikki passed, Natalie passed (married), Nicollet 26-45.

Transcript

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Brian Atlastheir shop uh their store shoplifted of a $5 piece of merchandise that's less of a victim than somebody who's been murdered answer the question answer the question okay goe do you remember when your guest Andrew Wilson came on and it

JoJosaid would you rather be R worded or would you rather killed what what did he say do you remember probably killed yeah I remember him as asking the question no

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)I I asked that and he said killed Okay cool so there's some people who would say that what women have gone through and a lot of times in war is worse than

Brian Atlasmen is worse than men you'd have to Define victim like you got to be you got to be intellectually honest with this he also said that he was being essayed by somebody of the same sex that's a crazy

Brian Atlasstatement don't you understand but I disagree with him I disagree with him but I guess for him specifically and he's also not here so I'm not making no we're talking about P video we're

JoJotalking we're talking about not mostly be men in more I saying you yes it will be but he's saying if a woman he he's okay with a woman doing it

Brian Atlasokay so but okay well we can get into that if you you keep seeming to want to bring bring up ESS so I get well actually hold on before we do that let's I should have asked the whole panel of this who's the

Abbyprimary victim of war men or women I'll keep going women you know that's fine go ahead I don't know well you if you had to pick like War like with the military

Brian Atlaslike are we talking about a specific type historically Modern War so okay you could look at World War I World War II Vietnam War Iraq war Ukraine war Etc

Abbywho's the primary victim of war men or women well men I think obviously okay

Abbyyeah I'd say men probably men men uh I would say men men you mean woman men men okay I don't want to linger on this too long since the oh go ahead that is

Maliabecause what I value as like the ultimate punishment is I would rather get essayed and tortured than unived and but I think that's where me and Kirby disagree where she sees that as the

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)punishment said man or bear you picked the bear no Pi the man I picked the man I could I could choke out a man I can't choke out a bear we might have to go to be or man question yeah I think we can

Nikkilet's go bear bear cuz now I'm guys you can put a man in a choke hold not a bear like you're going to lose I'm not putting any man in a choke hold if you need I'm just saying if you needed to like I would pick the man hopefully he's a regular person a

JoJoregular bear worst man in the world let's go regular man worst man best bear worst man worst bear both of those I like Bears they're cute

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)they're cuddly question is who's the primary victim so it's not that the women aren't victims secondary victims so the primary would be the first person who's the

Maliavictim the women would be because they're the issue is because what she's trying to explain is like in her head when you're dead you're gone you're suffering is over whereas like the women of these countries but

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)that's children C there's no AG on that not all of them die in war a lot of them walk away with trauma they had to deal with it still

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)[ __ ] up your family for sure and I mean yes the women and the children are back home and suffering because their father or their husband is out in war so

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)they've lost their father or husband but that father husband that man has lost his wife and his kids and his friends and his family to go out into war to get

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)trauma ized and so even if he doesn't die I would still say that that's pretty that's PTSD and you have to leave your family as well you like you have your whole life back at home to fight in a

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)war that makes you a pretty pretty primary victim and just to like I don't disagree with you I think it's say we disagree on the I think we shouldn't discount women's suffering though well we're well we're

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)not but the women the women don't become victims until the men are the victims so like they're not even considered victims happens to the man well hold on even even your husband even your son just

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)getting drafted is horrible yeah of course that would totally [ __ ] son would have to be drafted which wor son getting drafted that would suck drafted depend maybe he loves the idea he watched Top Gun last week and he's like I'm ready to

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)go of course there's going to be exceptions to the rule but the exception doesn't make the rule it's generally men and generally women who's the primary victim wait hold on you said drafted

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)though so if he was that gung-ho he the volunteered not been drafted yeah I mean you but even he could have just watched Top Gun last week and been hyped I don't you didn't watch top gy you wasn't

JoJointo that I have and I don't think it's the same one you watched I watched it it so can you make your case for how women are the primary victims we can you you keep making this case with Ukraine and

JoJoRussia there um stati statistics online is 53% of the people assaulted is actually women and girls right so there is a statistic online explaining like 53

Brian Atlasso half over 53% is over half you liter okay yeah cool the other 47% is that one metric that 3% increment yes that's your

JoJobasis for at least in the Ukraine conflict well I gave you an a basis you asked me what's my argument and I could you Google that I hold on you talk about the UK I looked it up before this podast keep bringing up the Ukraine argument

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)when you talk about the Ukraine conflict you show a bunch of like girls on with her ass out and then a bunch of like dead men and it's like well it doesn't exactly work that

JoJoway it kind of does to Bri's point it does but it doesn't at the same time so 60,000 women are actually fighting the Lions right but there's 3.2 million

JoJowomen in Ukraine so they they allow this but there is gender biased assault on women a lot of times in the invading country of Russia g% of the assaulted

JoJowomen are or 53% of people in Ukraine are women and girls that that's the whole point and that's my basis it's not like like obviously there's women on

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)Tinder and there's men dead in the ditch but there's also woman dead in the ditch and Men on Tinder it's just like I would say one of the things to consider I think I saw this on another one I don't remember what the percentage was but

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)we're not considering that not all men that go to war are married or have like anybody to be victims back home no no well you to be price you're paying is with your life hold on you don't need to be married to have victims back home they're still like your you know your

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)brothers and your sisters and your parents and your siblings and yeah you can have kids okay but I'll even I'll even argue even if the man is married even if he's married and he has

Brian Atlasfive daughters even if he's married has five daughters doesn't have a father has a has a mother and has a dozen sisters

Brian Atlasthe man is still the primary victim victim of War even with all this collateral uh mental harm to like a group of 20 women the men is still the

Unknownman is still the primary victim of of War Nick do you pull up can you pull up the did you find her thing I guess why are we trying to like say who has it worse ukan

Brian AtlasRefugee in the rep that's where I saw they were getting attacked in a different country can you pull it up she said assaulted so this I don't think this is something but

JoJoit's uh can you just drag it over so I can see it I guess why are we trying to play the oh my hurt is worse than your hurt kind of game what was the that's my whole point from the original argument the first day this brought up I said I

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)don't think we should pick which is the worst vi both well she tried to say planet Earth is the victims like this is click it click it she tried to say both and they're like no you have to pick and she was like well I'm going to go stud

Nikkitalking about so they just kept pushing her she wanted to she want some feathers of course not necessarily but I I just think but it doesn't it doesn't take away like the plight of women like you do when there's no men to protect you like the good ones who are going out and

Nikkitrying to fight for you know freedoms and stuff like there's no one to protect you against the the oppressor I mean there's no one to protect men against the oppressor like on the front lines like that's obviously [ __ ] hor again you can make a class you make a class

JoJoargument so that that's the whole thing with like well U men men are the one who initiate war wars but then and then men are the only ones able to like go to war and things like that but then you can that's a class claim it's not it's not a

JoJogender claim it's a class claim a class claim yeah what like a class claim as in like it's based off of I also sent you something in private chat

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)Nick it's like based off of um here we'll pull it we'll pull your study up is this mine is this it's another one that I found but are you saying only

JoJopoor men have to go to war well it when I say is a class claim like oh no they're just prattling about something that's not told that's not the study that I Wasing this is literally the one

JoJothat had the 53 percentage there was another one I had but this one is not it what's your study then we literally the website but tell us what's a Google then give us the prompt and we'll find it I

JoJoso what I looked up is Ukraine women and then I looked up like Ukraine women anduk I'm literally allowing you to pull up your

Brian Atlaswoman cuz I looked up a lot okay well fine we'll go to then we can go to yours Nick pull this one

Brian Atlasup make it bigger by the way this is from the women's Refugee Refugee commission so it's already going to be biased towards women uh as of February 2023 okay so this is like old this is

Brian Atlasold but anyways uh has displaced more than 14 million people sorry don't [ __ ] interrupt me more than 8 million ukrainians are now

Brian Atlasrefugees uh hold on where is it where is it about the the percentage does it have percentage for women it was like 90% or something one

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)sec Oh What It showed it in the [ __ ] thing it says many displaced Ukrainian women are particularly vulnerable because they are pregnant or have small children wait hold on let me see if I can see so or have a disability or a

Brian Atlasvictim of violence so most of the women that left aren't actually doing very good nick I'm sending you a different one this one's even more biased and they pulled it off the screen towards it's

Brian Atlasthe UN women which has a un is Major cucked un women a feminist organization fits our uh narrative it's literally not

Brian Atlasfitting my narrative no I sorry I just like to I'm I like to make jokes sorry okay make it bigger uh okay five as of this is this is uh 5.5 million refugees have already

Brian Atlasfled Ukraine uh of those who have fled the country it's estimated that 90% are women and children right While most men

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)aged 18 to 60 this is from a feminist Source by the way are required to stay behind under martial law it did also say in the last study that most of the women that left were pregnant or had children

Brian Atlasor were disabled or had already been assaulted what that's literally what it just said in the last study I read it out loud you're telling me the women who are going to the Western border and The

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)Invasion is in the East most of the women are coming what I just read the last study out loud that's what it said what can I say brother what can I say we say play the

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)majority of the women who have fled the country are disabled said that's what it said literally go back to no it literally said they were pregnant or they had children or they were disabled or they they were had already been

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)victimized by the war that's literally what it said in the very last study you were on I read it out loud am I wrong or am I right I don't

Brian Atlasknow dude I literally just read it out loud I swear to God day many displaced Ukrainian women are particularly vulnerable because they are pregnant or have small children have a or have a disability or are a victim so maybe not

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)the majority we can throw the majority out the window but yeah so we'll throw the majority out the window I'll take that part but literally everyone in Ukraine is a victim of violence they're in a [ __ ] War so the majority baby

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)I'm still right yeah but it doesn't mean anything no okay it's fine it doesn't have to mean anything it literally means nothing in any case so so who's on hinge I just like to mess around my bad okay

JoJoso you think in the UK in the Ukraine conflict that women are the primary victims of war why I I I can send you the article cuz I have the history on her computer I how about I just grant

Brian Atlashow about I just grant you that you said what 53% I'll just grant you the the statistic okay so then 47% sure now if I gave you a statistic

Brian Atlasthat like 95% of the uh military casualties so deaths and injuries are men which one's worse um well sure you

Brian Atlasin again the statistics you give right there you disagree you think I don't know the exact numbers but I would assume that yeah 95% of the military

JoJocasualties are men I think it's 97% since the goal four allegedly well you can give in your the statistics of what you're giving me the frame framework of what you're

TTSgiving me sure men are the victims wait oh my god king donated $200 Brian I'm sure you have heard that the government is in the process of passing a bill that would automatically

Brian Atlassign women up for the draft would the feminists here support this it's been like the any push to have women have to

Brian Atlasregister for the selective service has been uh has been shot down every single time it's been brought I think it went to the Su Supreme Court it's been to

Brian AtlasCongress on the in the uh legislative branch uh I know recently men are now automatically registered for Selective Service you no longer have to you're

Brian Atlasjust automatically placed in the uh program as a man between 18 to 25 26 I think uh so men no longer have to register because you're just automatically in it I've not heard a

Brian Atlascorresponding thing for women I'm not sure sure how that'll play out maybe they get um they get automatically registered maybe they don't but in any case currently they're not required too

Brian Atlasso wait so I'm just a bit confused okay so back to this Ukraine thing so are you seeding the point I'm just confused I'm I'm saying in again framework just like what happened last time framework of what you give me yes I concede so but

JoJoare you denying that that's the framework I am denying that's the framework wait I'm so I'm confused I'm denying that's the the reality of the framework right it's a framework of what you give me but I don't you deny that

Brian Atlasthis is the reality like current current so you're saying that I'm overestimating the amount of male military casualties let me just here I'll just be charitable and I'll just say we'll go down to 80%

Brian Atlas80% of military casualties are meant which it's not but even if we use those numbers if you're only doing military casualties that's very different than civilian casualties so that's that's

Brian Atlaswhich would also incorporate male civilians of course it does see you got dude Robert Tanner thank you for the gifted 50 memberships man really appreciate it you're a [ __ ] Legend thank you man women deal with war in a

Nikkidifferent way than men do nice still look at you helped you I'm helping you out I'm helping you out so uh I'm just a little confused here how come we can talk about this but

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)not is real the only way it' be comparable like the point that you made is he's not bringing up C great contribution to the conversation there was mine good no [ __ ] when did World War I start the

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)only reason that your point that you brought up that he's not bringing up civilian casualties would actually be a good point is if the civilian casualties were also 80% women cuz if if not then

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)you've got like the 80% 90 something percent um of military casual casualties being men and then the civilian casualties it's likely it's 50% but even

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)if it's even if it's mostly women it's not a it's not a good point to bring up and to defend his argument or to you you get what I'm saying um continue with the

JoJothat's the whole point of like the 53% with the Ukraine war in like Russia because this is such a recent like war in statistics they are able to actually deem like this is a gender biased gender biased assault is the majority of these

JoJowomen and like I I wish I could tell you the website I wish I memorized the website and I had it like on my phone right now so I can tell you guys it I I did research it before I came here but

JoJoit's it's gender bias assault it's not it's not like so wait what what does that mean gender Bri because they are women they are choosing to assault them

JoJoover men for example so it it was a man in the household well this is this is absolutely bogus why how so you you say Ukraine is partying it up the women in

Brian AtlasUkraine are partying up somewhere in the clubs and this is bogus it absolutely is bogus because the gender bias I can if you want to frame it from a gender bias

Brian Atlasthe gender bias is and this is from a this is a systemic thing this is from the government down men between the ages of 18 to 60 or 65 I can't remember

Brian Atlasexactly what are barred under martial law from leaving the country women are allowed to flee children are allowed to flee so I'll just turn it around on you and say yeah there's a gender bias

JoJoagainst men when when was that passed sorry are you denying are you denying this this article that at the breakout of War literally days within

JoJothe breakout of the war men could not flee the country women could you want me to pull up CNN BBC I'll pull up any news source you want and it will show this cuz this was a 20223 article that I I'm

Brian Atlasreferencing right now so that's why I'm confused men have been barred from leaving the country from the outbreak of the war what's your point have to fight it well if you want your country defended

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)don't you want men defending it I mean women are pretty weak yeah there's reasons why but go they're weak we don't want them on the front lines it's a bad battle St that's not that's not really the argument at hand again the

Nikkiconversation stems from who's the primary victim of war men or women prob men yeah but kby you have to say victim you know I'm assuming you mean death

Nikkilike casualties so yeah that's the real debate here women have to suffer a lot of the r you think casualties are victims I think

JoJocasualties are victims and that's what my original point was but again I think it's what do you think is the worst victims the people who are being tortured and like okay I don't want to get into the the extremes of what

JoJohappens in war crimes and things like that but again what you deem a [ __ ] victim is she kind of cooking no not really okay instant death instant

Nikkigunshot and I'm not saying of course men obvious get guess it's just over verus there's a possibility for those kind of people has anybody here gone

Brian Atlasthrough something traumatic yes yes absolutely would you rather have just not gone through that and be dead right now yes no oh no no no here going around

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)the table have you ever gone through something traumatic [ __ ] uhoh no we're good it's fine oh nothing traumatic okay not really traumatic anything traumatic yeah and I I'm glad I'm alive I wouldn't rather be dead

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)okay yes and I'm glad I'm alive sure I don't know yeah Life's good now I choose

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)death I mean you're living with the trauma now and you haven't CH you're currently and look at that's fine I don't give it I don't give a hell or wait there's a potential making your point irrelevant no no sorry it's my it's my elbow I need to go grab a

AbbyBand-Aid we're good I'll hold it down here okay I'll hold it down here for a second I it's just bleeding what about you I just um I wouldn't trade like any Human Experience for anything in the world cuz

Abbythat's like what living is like I want to be as alive as possible like good bad whatever like it's life like I want to be experiencing life whatever it's handing to me I'm serious I'm so serious

JoJothat is such a ridiculous statement with you wanting to live human life but you can get you can get completely tortured but you're living human life like that that's crazy well is that I guess hope is

Brian Atlaslike well that was pretty much my like original statement it's like well he asked me something different how many how many women are being tortured in

Brian AtlasUkraine I don't assaulted 53% ah okay we're talking about torture has its own definition yeah okay like when I think of torture I think those like uh midevil like oh the

Brian Atlasstretcher stretcher machines like like sawing you in half or something yeah like some crazy [ __ ] I don't know why torture what what it's possible that people are being tortured but uh yeah prisoners of War also but

Brian Atlasthat's still like I feel like we're fighting a weird like who I would argue there's probably more men who are being tortured in Ukraine than women so your your whole torture angle here the only thing I would even Grant you is the this sa

Brian Atlascomponent sure okay agree to disagree actually wait I heard something about even men were being men uh men are ESS but women

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)are predominantly ESS um I have a quick question just because I want to kind of like understand like where you're coming from so are you are you kind of saying like let's say the man is the p is the

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)primary victim but like since they're technically gone they don't have the ability to feel victimized no it's like it's kind of the point where it's like if you have instant death you're no

JoJolonger like you don't feel the pain your continual pain so like a lot of times with war crimes there's like the family's dying family's dying in front of you family's getting like um like

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)assaulted in front of you things like that and so you have to live with the pain of being not able to do with things like that so like they' passed so they don't have the ability to feel victimized so they're like they're

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)they're gone like but I think in in the question is just like kind of like at least for me it's just very straight forward it's just in the action that happened who was the first victim well

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)you don't know who went first right the man could have been alive things are happening the the women don't become victims until the man does so like they're not like I don't think that's necessarily true and I agree with that

Nikkimen are the victim of War like we don't know who di before someone saying women before they go into war have any you're framing it from the angle of well the

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)the family members will be sad but yeah yeah that's pretty much what I'm coming off of is like they're not going to be sad unless something happens to the that I would agree with but we're talking about torture we no I'm talking about

JoJokids as well the kids are at home they're not at like oh I mean of course if it's their older kids yeah sure but like young kids actually her Point even in the case of sa is still kind of valid

Brian Atlasbecause there's typically a front line if the enemy then breaks through the front line AKA a [ __ ] ton of dead men then they can get into civilian areas and then they can uh commit

Brian Atlasatrocities but it's typically not oh the women just at the front and then the women get essayed then the fighting happens it's typically the fighting happens they break through the front

Brian Atlasline and if the uh belligerent force is inclined to uh commit war crimes basically then yeah I suppose after the men have been killed or casualties yeah they have to get through the men to get

JoJoto the women well dependent on the area dependent on The Invasion dependent on if it's like a a new attack things like that yes I well hold on fine I'll even argue this too so let's say they break

Brian Atlasinto a civilian population where there's no front line there's no uh defending Force going to dispatch the men who could potentially uh put up a

Brian Atlasresistance so if there's any men in the community of fighting age that potentially have access to Firearms they're going to dispatch the men first then they might choose to you know I

Brian Atlasdon't know what the numbers are when it comes to the uh frequency of sa let me ask you a question though okay so let's say 100,000 men die and then 10,000

JoJowomen get sa which is worse you've said this before cool we're having the conversation again which is worse I mean sure the men I guess by

Brian Atlaspure volume well what's your actual answer by volume of the men okay what if it's 100,000 to 100,000

JoJowhich is worse um I would say with about 50,000 to 100,000 50,000 essay 100,000 I can't give like a determining number based off these like

JoJothese okay so what if that is the proportion per 100,000 men that die there's 10,000 women that get Ade what if that's the case in Ukraine it's also dependent on the kids it's dependent on the family members there's a lot of like actual proponents based off of these

JoJonumbers right okay and so I would not be able to give you an answer unless you tell me the actual statistics say that's the let's say those are the

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)numbers well I'm telling you I can't say that regarding do you believe that those men that die are going to have an afterlife or they just totally gone after they die what does that have to do

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)with anything I think that has to do a lot like because if if I'm no no if I'm just going to die and nothing matters I don't give a [ __ ] about dying God all right that's totally

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)irrelevant um um well no if I'm going to am I would I rather get assaulted or would I rather go to heaven like it depends if you're

Brian Atlasreligious and how what you feel about the afterlife 100% wait okay fine it it begs the question it begs the question

Brian Atlasthen so would you rather be essayed or killed I rather be killed me too no shot really well it depend if I'm getting R

Abbyworded killed really yes my goow and no absolutely not well you'd rather get like no I I don't want to die I don't

JoJoyeah uh essay murder me baby I don't know what you would say uh I would rather get essayed but I you said essayed different answer yesterday same

Brian AtlasI don't want to die we have to fight I'd rather look they're both terrible they're both terrible it could be traumatizing absolutely but

JoJouh okay so if that's the case then so you view essay is worse than death dependent on what kind of

Brian Atlasessay okay that's why I said R worded yes well then I could just make the same argument for death then there's easy ways to die and there's [ __ ] terrible

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)way no no because at theend because when you die at the end of death there's nothing when you die at the and after you get essayed there's everything ends yeah you have trauma you have to live the rest of your life you don't have to

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)live the rest of your life after you die that's a fair point but if that were both sides if that were a good argument for like essay being worse then why hasn't everyone who's been essay just

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)killed themselves after theyve tried to because because after you get si in the moment you feel like I would rather die in the moment you feel like I don't want

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)to be here I don't want to experience this this is horrible this is awful I'd rather disappear I hate every second of this but you can't do anything about

Brian Atlasit so I have a question for you then if you're married since youd like to make this argument of what about the family though uh if you were Ed who's the primary victim if you get if if excuse

JoJome if a woman gets essayed the woman or the husband I mean it it's wait so what do you mean husband's dead and then I'm essayed who

Brian Atlasokay who's the primary victim if you if a woman gets Ed the woman or the husband if she has a husband let's assume she has a husband okay what's am I the only

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)one getting ESS who just the woman gets essayed is the husband of the victim or is the woman the victim who's the prim vitim obviously the woman yes yeah oh

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)but but the husband it's going to be hard for the husband he is no you seem confused he's using this argument because you guys are saying that women are the primary victims of war because they're having to lose their husbands so

JoJohe's trying to turn it around well no it's in the time period of like 1945 it is predominantly there was males working working and it's predominantly females

JoJoat home so it's not only like the males dying and the women like yes war crimes are terrible for the women but it's also I'm not going to let you get away with this you're Shifting the goalpost here we were talking about the Ukraine war

Brian Atlasokay sure okay o sorry I got excited cuz you guys are fighting go ahead yeah no I'm asking you yeah keep going hold on you haven't even engaged with the situation I've just given you she look

Brian Atlasat her she's just okay you're telling me about the 1943 World War end in 194 and and Men worked and

JoJowomen no no it predominantly men worked women didn't right back at that time and well in the the preface of your argument

JoJoit was more that you said Okay a woman got sa right and so I my claim was that if a man dies it's harder on the woman for

JoJothe economy as well right Comm the economy as a whole as well do you understand cuz women weren't working at the time at can you ask us all what are you talking about women

JoJowere during World War II women were absolutely working not as much as the men in no that was like Rosie the Riveter but they were working because all men went to war no I yeah exactly so

JoJobut if like a majority of men died they had to pick up a lot of jobs pieces you could we could many many articles B so what's your argument I mean that sucks but like going to work versus dying I

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)feel like I ha I hate work as much as next guy you speaking for yourself he goes dime my son a little chill chill all right well that that's a

JoJodifferent question what's the actual argument well it this was another another claim with like why like the victimization and things like that but I

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)don't I don't get your original if a woman got sa and she's married and he's in the household and he's the victim right I I don't get that no that's insane no he's not saying that he's the victim it'd be insane to say that he's

Nikkithe victim and he's saying that it's insane to say that the woman's the victim he's it's not insane to say he's not the victim at all he's not the primary victim question say the woman's the man not be

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)primary question wait I have to I'm confused can I ask a question so if I'm in my house and a man breaks into my house and he essays me am I not the primary victim that's

Brian Atlasl i confirming no I was confirming imagine how crazy you would think I was if I said no the woman's not the primary victim yeah it's

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)the the husband I agree with you I I I definitely agree with you I was just confirming with we went to another

Brian Atlastopic what if both people are still victims I've always said this no when I the people around you are still victim I literally asked you the question who's

JoJothe primary victim of war men or women you said women you didn't say both I said the first time you want to roll back wanted to say both I always wanted to say both but this the third time you've asked me on this

Brian Atlaspodcast is it not both everybody everybody is a victim when it to war but when I'm asking you who's the primary victim I can't say both I can now no you

Brian Atlascan't okay because the question is who is the primary victim of war and you continually pick women yes and you make Arguments for women so I don't know why you're trying to walk back your position

JoJohere I'm not at all how am I walking back my position I said day one that I think everyone on the planet Earth is a victim and then you said you have to pick one so I said okay sure women because of war crimes and

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)other factors that's exactly what we're talking about yeah so I don't what where are we now where where we are at now is that we we understand that men are the

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)primary victims of war but women suffer a lot okay sure going AG you agree with that no see Kirby you agree with that that is what we that because I've never agree

Brian Atlasokay dis so you disagree with men are the primary victims of war she doesn't she with that men yes oh Noby that is precisely what we are arguing about wait hold on if I got

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)drafted to the front line would I get drafted and put on the front lines though be real good song no you can't even you can't be drafted that's what I'm saying

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)Canada oh yeah can throw me out sorry not because you're a woman because you're Canadian thr me out of the conversation I'm sorry here we're going to read a couple chats uh Abigail are

JoJoyou able to see it or no this is a good breakup oh no I can't you hav you can read it goe can I read it can I read it out loud just let her read

JoJogodam if you have an only fans you're a waste of space you're lazy you're you disrespect yourself and men and you disrespect the veterans who died to give you the freedom to live like the

JoJodegenerates you are H I'm a Canadian all right we have this one go ahead wow your girlfriend leaves you and bangs your friend while you're away all your friends move on and your life changes

JoJowithout you it blows they don't draft women it's not all about death think okay cool thank you forced Peach thank you doesn't mean a lot to me yeah we have law paladins coming in here in just a bit thank you for speech

JoJoappreciate it man there's not a lot going on B is not red pill red pill would realize that women are incapable of having empathy for weak men and weak men lose in War winners come home and

JoJoreproduce old school horde before paladins existed let's go he's old school horde he's talking about World of Warcraft hold on before palali existed

JoJookay I know palali came around level 70 or whatever the [ __ ] if death isn't as big of a deal and if you die it's just over is it worse for someone to just essay someone or to essay them and

Brian Atlasmurder them and why I'd rather oh well we already answered this yeah we already talked about this right yeah if you die it's just over Duran dolls thank you man appreciate it I obviously uh must have

Brian Atlasread your thing before I asked the question we have uh that uh I don't know if you pulled that up yet

JoJobut can you read this one yeah I probably have not paid attention but studying the Western Front taking World War II for example aerial bombing was indiscriminate uh but I can go more in

JoJodetail in other conflicts however not sure what you're trying to prove depending on the time period you need to study context okay yeah a lot of Civilian

Brian Atlascasualties and uh World War II thank you Robert Tanner appreciate it although I mean I would argue in pretty much every single War that's ever occurred every single War even Wars I don't even know

Brian Atlasabout I can confidently state that men are and have been the primary victims of

Brian Atlaswar more what casualties yes air go men are the primary victims of

Brian Atlaswar good for you okay it's it's crazy to me that you just haven't been convinced on this I don't even know how to approach

JoJoit maybe somebody in the chat knows how to uh make a compelling enough argument for you to step out of your delusion I don't know both my parents agreed with me so it's hard it's like yeah they yeah

JoJothey got to back up their daughter but no I don't think it's I think before the context I said this is why you're my parents I I don't think it's about that I think it's it's kind of almost crazier that you said you're D was in the

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)military for 20 years and he thinks that that's almost CRA before he knew the context of even this podcast that makes sense though but that makes sense like it's like if you're in the military you

Maliaknow you you've died and your family is back home my dad Al my dad's Al will I know I know but even then but it's still like you put your

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)family through so much like men are more resilient than women are they not disagree I don't know you don't think men are more resilient than women how would how would that be relevant resilience how would it be Rel in

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)comparison to war who resilience how would it be relevant resilience is a major aspect of a war resilience yeah but how would it be

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)relevant if you're resilient in a war are you insane Google resilience right now if you're dead what does it matter how resilient no but if you live but if

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)you live the resilience the resilience the brazili the what about the Brazilian what about the Brazilian I'm curious about the Brazilian tell me does anybody know about the Brazilians crazy all right

Brian Atlaswe're going to we're going to move it on I guess oh we have to do men vers bear uh yes yes fun I like this story she likes do you did you take something are you are you good no no

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)sorry I'm just I'm just a girl are you on math I'm just a girl I'm just a girl a girl I'm just a girl from the world so starting with you if I had Pi the hold on hold on hold on would you rather come

JoJoacross a random man or a random bear in the woods okay random is I pick man you're shocked I know man man pandorian answer the question that's

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)what I said bear don't know what pandorian bear just answer the question that that's not what I said she's picking bear okay so say bear so I said

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)pandorian say bear specific Pand say something anything have a specific man hold on hold on hold on you don't know what a

Brian Atlaspandoran is do you pan yeah yeah it's a l literally a video game character she's trying not real life okay if I had to's a cool bear

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)he a [ __ ] question holy [ __ ] okay I'll pick a bear I'll pick a bear God damn you mad man cuz you're being a [ __ ] that's why can you say that I

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)just did I really hate this question but man you said man yeah man yeah yeah man man okay all right everyone said man but well I okay why bear why bear cuz the worst thing that a man could do to me

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)doesn't compare to the worst thing that a bear could do to me but you're l r into a random no no a bear could a bear a a bear would to eat me alive a man

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)could you know tie me up in his basement could also help W yeah bring it back to his house what percent what percentage of men do you think would like one % so not

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)even I feel like every single bear would probably try to eat you no no that's not true that's not true that's not true bab I've been around a lot of bears true's bears tend to run I'm not trying to take that chance

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)no bears tend to run away bears are SC of still don't want to take that chance yeah you don't have to I'm just saying this is a reality I'm not I don't really want to argue the bear thing you want to argue the bear thing cuz you know I'm so

Brian Atlasright no did you like drink some liquor back there or something you were like I've never done anything jul Julie move on hold on it's too yeah click it no

Brian Atlasfind it Brian find it too late now all right moving on to our next notes Here we have uh let's see uh hold on so you're uh

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)Christian what are you doing there's I scratched my arm I'm I'm wiping it off is that allowed sorry she's bleeding yeah for a second ago I got a I got a I

Brian Atlasgot a sunburn uh you're a Christian Mormon correct yeah I'm LDS LDS okay you said you're conservative you have your pronouns in your bio though I thought that was interesting yeah I had a it's because

Brian Atlasyou have like my business thing on there and a lot of clients kept asking me so I just kind of felt like I had to put it in there okay uh you said you're 100% Trad not feminist mhm and you said you

Brian Atlaslive out your life through your clients who are ultimately living what they are living out what they like to tell me their H mhm and you do nails correct yes I do

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)nails and do you want me to go into yeah elaborate elaborate a bit oh sorry um they told me a few things they told me a few fetishes some men have one of them told me they have they had an ex who had

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)an ankle biting fetish and then another one told me that she was dating a guy who literally within a month of dating kind

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)of confessed that he liked eating stuff off of her but specifically KFC that sounds lit what does that have to do with a whole face yeah that's crazy specifically crazy you guys don't

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)like chcka fries no I'm not saying that that's part of the whole phase but I'm just saying like obviously I'm not doing but it's just funny like hearing the stories from them it's just like interesting hearing that kind of stuff cuz I wouldn't do that but all right and

Brian Atlasyou said that you're you know you're married you have a husband been together for 10 years you paid for the first date without hesitation I yeah I I paid for us for about 2 to 3 years into our

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)relationship for everything until he got his first job until he got his first job you got this don't do it to get through babe don't do it all right you said your parents have a pretty

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)interesting story yeah um so basically my mom and dad were clubbers when they were younger and my dad invited my mom back to his apartment and tried to make

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)a move on her she got grossed out out and walked out literally maybe about a year later they ended up meeting back up again not realizing that that's who they

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)were and as my as my mom was like pregnant with me already they drove past my dad's old condo and she said oh my God it was so weird I I dated a guy who

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)was who lived in that condo and he tried to make a move on me and he's like I dated a girl who walked out on me because I made a move on her and then they realized that that's who they were they knew other from that H okay and you

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)wanted to speak on I think we talked a little bit already who makes the first move in the dating process yeah I mean the only thing is that like for me it genuinely worked like I and I've asked my husband this before I never looked

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)down on him for not having a job in fact like that's why two to three years into it I was strictly paying for everything I didn't think it mattered I was more interested in the personality the type of person he was things like that and I

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)ended up being granted with a provider who took care of me for the rest of pretty much pretty much where we're at right now and he tells me it's because you know I essentially showed that like I didn't care about the materialistic

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)part of it I genuinely cared about his personality so do you do you guys really like everyone at the table do you really like would you genuinely prefer a man

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)that just paid all of your bills no hell yeah yes that's exactly what you want you want you want every [ __ ] every Bill sorry who's paying your bills just out of curiosity if we're going to have

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)this think of subscribing to your o for real I'm not even trying to be an off real but that's crazy St it's one thing it's one thing if if a couple men subscribe it's another thing if it's a

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)lot of men but like if you were going to get into a relationship with a man would you be like you know I can't date this man unless you know on the situation for most is that like one one round of the

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)table would you be like you know if he can't pay my rent I can't date him would you went to the table never had a man pay my my rent you um it wouldn't be a deal breaker if

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)he couldn't provide fully mhm it wouldn't be a deal breaker whatsoever okay yeah it would be sick but I can pay my own bills okay your turn depends on what life stage we're at yeah do you

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)prefer that do you prefer when a man pays your rent so you asked three different questions sorry I'm a fool I'm I'm Just a Fool baby question am iing do you prefer when a man can just pay your

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)rent like of course of course it's prefer of course but if do you deal bre so let me let me actually rephrase do you prefer like you wouldn't date a manless he actually could pay for your

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)rent like you're like I'm not going to do this unless you're willing to pay no okay and of course not right I wish you would have been like

Nikkiyes absolutely get out of here well there are there are a lot of women there like I wouldn't [ __ ] with any way I don't think that should be like the primary reason you're with someone is just because he can pay your bills I feel like there's other qu agree but

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)there are a lot of women that are like I'm not engaging in this relationship unless I get my rent paids hold on are you talking about me you are you just are you talking about

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)she just said you ya we just went back and forth whatever the hell that was if I don't Yap who who else will Yap probably anyone else yeah anyone else we're not yapping cuz you are I'll sit

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)back take it over H I'll fix that how did that even happen wasn't me ya can someone ypp I was like where's the Yapp

Maliainator cuz it ain't me I'm cut well I wish I'm cut somebody y oh use that $500 to mute her mic who's a feminist of course you had to be told I just femin

JoJohe's asking I came up with it on the spot my definition of feminism feminism is equity not equality so Equity as In fairness that's not equality equality is

JoJodifferent you you uh you acknowledge the differences in but Equity as In fairness and opportunity and things like that that's my um I don't personally like describe

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)myself as a feminist not a feminist my feminism means coming up with your questions on the spot no going keep going ignore

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)ignore keep going are you a feminist yes or no oh like when I actually yes yes or no please please myself as I mean

Nikkiprobably but like keep going but also no no and another thing keep going uh if we're saying like feminism like that little trademark I would say no definitely not I would say the most

Maliarecent variation of feminism probably not but I would agree with Kirby's definition of feminism second wave third wave don't stop please thank you Robert

Natalie Wintersyou don't oh sorry I was just asking no I'm not a feminist did you

Natalie Wintersyeah oh so it was just you I think you and I think maybe yeah like is is so what what was your definition I said

JoJoEquity over equality so it's Equity as in fair fair treatment but um equality is different to me because it's um not recognizing the differences between like women and uh women and men right so like

JoJofor example we can bring up the Olympics talk I don't think women and men should compete because I it it should be Equitable not like equal because like um equality would be men and women are

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)equity mean that you're trying to get equal outcomes no equity means fairness so that's why Equity means you get this you get a a a a different uh like so I

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)need a a taller ladder to look over the fence Hold on shut your mouth I need a taller ladder to look over the fence so Equity means you you get the things you need to look over the fence someone you

Brian Atlasat the beginning to mute someone's mic for 10 minutes I think we know who she you know what she's my friend that number is that what mic number is

Brian Atlasthat Nick put it down please Nick that's a 10-minute mute please yo pic Steins thank you for that I got the um M

Natalie Wintersmicrophone put back on the table and stop just put it on the table mut M are you saying that you think that women need special treatment so that the

JoJooutcome so they can play on an equal level equal with you misunderstood of course um of course of course I don't really misunderstand so the misunderstanding is for example in like

JoJoathle athletic terms in the terms of the Olympics Yes Men Out compete women every time and that's why when I say Equitable it should be in fairness of you acknowledge the differences in the genders right and so that's why women should be but if you're saying to make

Natalie Wintersit Equitable wouldn't that mean that then you would have women start you sameel but you would like give women an unfair advantage to is fairness that's why I'm saying do you mean like Equitable means like they have their own league and it's only women because men

Nikkiwould kind of dominate because they're built differently do you the Olympics CU I'm on your side yeah that's not okay female male right there's two categories I'm not all for you know that one swimmer who's like oh I really suck in

JoJothe men's division women should compete against each other in said Olympic sports I think that's sort of a bad ex some form of feminism they are saying that and that's the same with like even actors

JoJoand actresses they're saying there there should be a general categories of acting rather you call everyone actor and I I don't agree with that because it kind of also defeats the purpose there is going

JoJoto be more of like you can see a shift in general with like let's say for one year more more act more males win like the acting category and it's like it's kind of like reverse you still want to

Natalie Wintersgive like equal opportunity and the sense so where do you think women lack equal yeah no friends do maybe apparently I'm the one who misunderstands stff I don't really get what you're saying so maybe to make it pragmatic where do women not have equal

JoJoopportunity like in practice with men compared to men rather I I'm not saying they don't even it's just equal opportunity in sense like if both resumés are completely the same for

JoJoexample in a job that they're both very qualified for like let's say marketing or something like that if resumes are you can't talk for 10 minutes um if both resumes are exactly the same they should have equal treatment and

JoJothey should and they do there's like laws now saying you can't discriminate against women it was different back then you're like oh yeah you cannot hire she a woman some people don't support that if it's exactly the

JoJosame but who doesn't think that if you what do you mean who doesn't who do you who do you mean there are some like females that still believe that like that's my terms of my my definition my

Natalie Wintersunderstanding of how I want to perceive feminism [Laughter] you said a whole bunch of nothing go to the okay okay okay so you're so I don't

Natalie Wintersyou're saying you're a feminist because there's if there's a two resumés a man and a woman they have the same qualifications that they should both be entitled to get the job which we establish that there is existing

Natalie Winterslegislation yes and codified laws that say that is the case yeah I so I support that and I asked you where is there a

Natalie Winterslack of equal opportunity or outcome that is why you justify being a feminist like where is I mean yeah

JoJobecause you can see even in cases like in 2017 for example um there was a case in even the movie industry there's like

JoJouh the top grossing films of the years 30 30% of the top grossing films had no females in like the back end of things like in so so what do you mean so it's more of like

JoJoWNBA critique it's cuz people aren't watching it so you're not going to get fairly compensated if people aren't watching your movie it's the it's the back end of the filming industry what do you mean they're not watching the females are not in the front ends

Brian Atlasthey're even the back end of production so 20 there's nothing preventing women from starring in movies there's nothing there's also nothing preventing them from working behind the scenes there is

JoJobecause they're hiring less them actually there's then they would get sued and there's actually might just be less women applying well I can give you another example 2017 was

JoJothe kind of like the front run of the me too movement because the big Harvey Weinstein incident oh wait wait wait hold on let's go back to the let's go back to the movie thing yeah so okay frequently women are paid less in

Brian Atlassporting for example like basketball players do you object to female basketball players being paid less than their male counterparts I think sport

JoJosame job I think sporting is a really weird and interesting um category because it's not just about the actual industry it's actual it's also about the individual players for for example like

JoJoattraction like popularity of each individual player it deems how much they get paid right and how good they are oh that as well but like you can even like you can argue women's soccer is way

JoJoworse let's let's say you want to argue that but Alex Morgan got paid crazy numbers because she was also a very beautiful soccer player she was a crazy great at the sport but let's say you don't like watching women's soccer but you also got paid tons of money

Brian Atlasendorsements and what not brand endorsements things like really answer the question so okay let's just let's just assume here that women do get paid less than men in sporting so soccer

Brian Atlasbasketball I trying to think of any other you know professional sports tennis uh tennis actually I think they've well I have a question is there like don't they it like pay the same

Nikkiamount is it like a how do you do it is it like standard like women's team make 30% men's team make 30% but men generate more Revenue so it's a higher 30% because the total numb is bigger or is it like okay so but do you okay for

Brian Atlasexamp let's just use the basketball example do you object to female basketball players being paid less than male basketball players I want to at least acknowledge

JoJothat they should at least play on the same courts right so there there there is especially in soccer I I mostly know about soccer cuz I grew up playing soccer they had to play on turf fields

JoJofor example which everyone in soccer knows that those are way worse they should at least get women have to play on turf fields and back when I played when I back when I watched in high school anal okay no no it's um okay why

Brian Atlasdon't you answer the actual question though should they get paid this we're talking about pay yeah I don't know why you're bringing up turf fields and I asked you about basketball not soccer it's like one okay never mind yeah um no

JoJoI don't think they should get paid pay the same if if if they don't that's not Equity then so you're not in favor of equ no that's not that's not necessarily true cuz I said fairness so if if one is generating way more income then you

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