ONLY 1% Of Men Attractive?! She ONLY Dates Narcissists?! Men Are LAZY?! E-GIRLS! | Dating Talk #171

Date: 2024-06-19

Duration: 7h 04m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJulie (DT171)>

NNikki (DT171)>

AAlyssa (DT171-married)>

AAbigail (DT171-WA)>

NNatalie Winters >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02JoJo(guest)

SPEAKER_03Nicollet(guest)

SPEAKER_04Natalie Winters(guest)

SPEAKER_05Abby(guest)

SPEAKER_06Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_07home.maath (call-in)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Nikki(guest)

SPEAKER_14Malia(guest)

Key Moments

ControversyNatalie Winters challenges Julie and Nicollet on OnlyFans self-worth: 'I've never seen someone so flippantly be okay with selling their body and soul online'

“I've never seen someone so flippantly be okay with selling their body and soul online I'm chilling”

QuoteNikki introduces herself and immediately defends discussing premarital sex: 'not one of you can judge me except Jesus and he chooses not to'

“the reason I'm comfortable talking about all this is because while I respect all of you and your opinions not one of you can judge me except Jesus and he chooses not to”

OtherNatalie Winters reveals Steve Bannon going to prison July 2024 for 4 months and she will take over War Room hosting

“I am Natalie Winters I don't know why I said my last name um I co-host Steve Bannon's war room I'm from Santa Monica I live in Palm Beach Florida now and I'm 23”

OtherNikki uses drunk driving analogy to defend advocating abstinence despite her own slip-up

“let's say I have a drink and then 45 minutes later I drive my car home... I'm still going to tell people hey don't drink and drive”

OtherNatalie Winters describes 72-hour man who flooded her with inappropriate messages and photos (suspected gay)

“I open it when I get off air like I'm expecting nothing... just like stream of consciousness like 20 texts like we should [do anal together] I really want to be on like just crazy stuff he sent pictures of other people's other men's that came out of nowhere”

OtherAbby reveals near-kidnapping: date grabbed her arm trying to get her into his minivan saying 'most women would have gotten in the car by now'

“he just like kind of grabbed me and he was like oh like hop in like why are you resisting and I was like oh um you know I don't actually want to and he's like well most women would have gotten in the car by now”

OtherNikki reveals she dated a former Y2K Nickelodeon actor who made racist comments on their first date drive home

“we go back uh we're driving back and he's like [certain race] aren't as smart because they are certain race and I just went is this a joke”

OtherNicollet's embarrassing date story: 42yo man couldn't maintain erection; she bullied him then sent flowers as apology

“we're like trying to hook up and it's like his dick isn't getting hard... I start making fun of like his age he was like 42... I sent him flowers to his house”

OtherJulie's 'Rumble Stick' story: ex-boyfriend of 5 years farted through his penis during sex

“he stops kind of you know he's pulls back but he's not all the way out for a huge fart I swear to God I felt it Rumble through his dick into me”

OtherAbby reveals most embarrassing date story: period during sex with queefing blood

“um I think like just a period um while having sex and then queefing blood everywhere”

OtherJulie has anxiety attack ~326 minutes into show; production closes balcony door and brings applesauce

“she had an anxiety attack it happens to the best of us she's having a lot this week all right Nick lock the door”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and OnlyFans debate

Panel introductions (JoJo, Abby, Nicollet, Julie) followed immediately by debate about OnlyFans — Natalie Winters challenges Julie and Nicollet on selling content; discussion of OnlyFans as a pyramid scheme, self-worth, modesty of clothing, and whether it precludes marriage. Alyssa, Abigail, and Natalie Winters also introduced during this segment.

Relationship status and body counts

Brian goes around the table asking each guest their relationship status, longest relationship, and body count. Notable: Abby's ambiguous situationship with Oxnard/Arizona Mexican guy; JoJo's sex sabbatical post-graduation; Nicollet's 30s body count; Julie's 5.5-year LTR now single 3 months. Nikki discusses her Christian abstinence-within-relationship. Malia reveals she waited 2.5 years before being intimate with a past partner.

Nikki: Christian premarital sex debate

Extended discussion about Nikki's Christianity and her slip-up having premarital sex with her current boyfriend. Brian challenges her on hypocrisy (preaching abstinence while having slipped). Nikki responds with the drunk driving analogy. Malia defends Nikki as being more honest than most panel guests. Brian contrasts with 'fake Christian' girls he claims to know about.

Natalie Winters: Steve Bannon prison / political commentary

Natalie explains Steve Bannon going to prison for 4 months starting July 2024 for defying a congressional subpoena from the Jan 6 committee. She argues the subpoena was illegitimate. Plans to take over War Room hosting duties. Also mentions Peter Navarro serving similar sentence. Discussion of censorship and demonetization of conservative podcasts. Natalie's dating life: single 1.5 years, previous prospect turned out to be gay (sent unsolicited photos after 72 hours).

Men are lazy in dating — Abby's date-paying problem

Abby reveals men repeatedly make her pay for dates or her and their meals. Panel debates whether this is Abby's fault (too passive, won't assert herself) or a genuine laziness/exploitation by men. JoJo and others advise Abby to assert herself. Brian notes he has never encountered a girl who admits to this. Discussion of the 'alpha fox' who gets women to pay. Escalates to broad discussion of who should pay on first dates and why.

Abby's sugar daddies and near-kidnapping story

Abby reveals she had two sugar daddies via sugardaddy.com, ~$300/date. Also reveals a separate Hinge date who grabbed her arm and tried to get her in his minivan, saying 'most women would have gotten in the car by now.' Panel and Brian react with shock. Also reveals a 24yo guy who would send her spontaneous Venmo money for yoga clothes etc. (~$2000 total).

Embarrassing date stories round

Each guest shares most embarrassing date story. Abby: period and queef story during sex. Nicollet: date with 42yo man where he couldn't maintain erection; she bullied him then sent him flowers as apology. Julie: 'Rumble stick' story — ex-boyfriend of 5 years farted through his penis during sex. Brian: spilled wine on Japanese date at dive bar. Nikki: family member walked in. Natalie: passed out from first/only weed experience on a date, ate fried alligator while high. Malia: left phone at date's house and had to knock and get it back.

Pre-show notes: Nikki's hookup culture and red pill topics

Brian reads Nikki's pre-show notes: hookup culture is a lie society fed women; red pill culture is also harmful. Nikki discusses dating a former Nickelodeon Y2K actor who made racist comments on drive home. Debate about red pill vs blue pill and women paying for dates. Discussion of whether men not paying is 'red pill game' or just taking advantage.

Man or bear viral topic / women as primary war victims debate

Discussion of 'would you rather encounter a man or a bear in the woods' viral social media trend. Extends into debate about whether men or women are the primary victims of war. JoJo argues women picking up wartime economy makes them victims too. Brian and others push back. Panel mostly agrees men are primary victims of war. Julie mentions R-worded victims as a different category of victim.

Feminism debate — diversity, gender representation, victimhood

Discussion about diversity quotas (30% threshold for diverse teams). Natalie Winters argues against feminist framing of victimhood and notes extreme anecdotal examples used to justify feminism. Debate about whether men or women receive more institutional protections. JoJo argues for diversity in teams improving outcomes. Nikki discusses women acting as victors vs victims in dating culture.

Self-ratings round and TrueRateMe subreddit review

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Abby: 7.9. Nicollet: 9. Nikki: 6.7. Julie skips (anxiety attack). Nick pulls up TrueRateMe subreddit showing celebrity male/female ratings as reference. Panel debates placements (Brian disagrees with some Asian women placements). Includes humorous segment on roast vs rating.

home.maath call-in: transactional relationships and social media

Content creator home.maath calls in via video. Addresses 'if he won't X find someone who will' social media framing. Argues mature relationships are not transactional ('what can I provide') vs modern internet-driven 'what do I want' mentality. Criticizes social media for pulling consciousness toward self-interest. Panel reacts and discusses.

Bumble swipe session

Nick runs each guest through 20-50 Bumble profiles live on stream. Guests mostly say no to virtually all men (JoJo said no to nearly all; Abby had a few yeses including a Mexican-looking man; Nicollet and Julie also mostly no). Brian observes the extreme selectivity. Debate about whether guests are too picky or the profiles don't show well. Guest age ranges stated: Abby 21-30, Julie 25-30, Malia 23-40, Nikki passed, Natalie passed (married), Nicollet 26-45.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasthree days uh three shows a week thank you man appreciate it see to play

Brian Atlasoh my God I'm so

NikkiB okay okay all right all right anyways go ahead I don't remember what I was saying I think it means like separated sex and love for that long probably isn't the

Brian Atlasbest way to go about things no wait question I have a question for you but s you you now that you've graduated you are going to start like dating seriously right yes I hope so okay so are you

Brian Atlasgoing to like make these dudes like wait uh for sex yikes that's yikes no don't good for you good for you wait really

JoJoyeah okay well we'll talk about that but look it's okay look on one hand we've Natalie's been here when we've talked about no okay I I'm let me explain it in one way let me explain it a way it's like it with the date and

JoJolearning about each other's personalities plus like also sleeping with them I feel like it's more of a a chance of like leading them on more and more versus you both know at like the initial like starting point if you just sleep with each other and that's it like

JoJoyou guys aren't like going to go and see each other after that that that's I guess my point of view where it's like how do you know that well if they ask me out sure but usually it's like hey they text me at 10 p.m. hey what's up it's

Brian Atlaslike okay you're gonna ask me on a day so you think a guy who would otherwise be interested you in you in a long-term relationship if you have if you have sex with him that's going to be the deal

Brian Atlasbreaker having sex with him like he otherwise would have you know if he's already made the determination that he wants to be in a long-term relationship with you having sex with him is going to be the deal

JoJobreaker no but I think uh yeah I think you are able to deem whether they want just sex or they want longterm sometimes from like a after a first date you you're able to tell oh if like let's say I'm like oh I don't want to sleep with

Nikkiyou first date and then they never text you again then you're like okay they kind of weeding out people who are just they weren't never interested in you also want to figure out like do I like you personality wise when you start sleeping with someone it's hard to

JoJoseparate that do I like you or do I just like yeah how you are in other areas so there's a lot of like weird I mean I again I don't date so I don't know a lot of like it's going to I'm going to feel it out when I get there I guess Point okay here I'll read this chat really

Brian Atlasquick um thank you Matt appreciate it uh John Green sounds like she's afraid of getting emotionally attached because she's worried they'll hurt her so she cuts it off before she can that could be

Brian Atlasa possibility for sure okay I I wouldn't doubt that um all right we we'll talk about the whole like waiting thing in a little bit here but

Abbyum your relationship status um I'm in a very loving situationship at the moment with the guy

Abbyfrom two nights ago no um wait the white man two nights ago no yeah I think that's how I would put it very very

Abbyloving but there was a guy two nights ago yeah why isn't in a relationship wait okay so how long have you been in the situationship I don't

Abbyknow I like maybe a month oh it's not very loving D well maybe it is sorry what's your longest

Brian Atlasrelationship it's been like like four years on again off again in high school okay yeah that was back in Vermont correct yes okay so you're in a

Brian Atlasloving situationship for sure we can split it [Music] um are you so well I'm assuming you guys

Brian Atlasare not monogamous um yes CH the foit we are oh

Abbyyeah um you are monogamous as of when yes um hopefully not two days ago no she didn't do that we we are not

Maliadating um but we are monogamous apparently what do you mean apparently someone better at math has to explain this to me yeah maybe in the early stages of

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)dating maybe just get your mic that way can I ask like what's loving about it if you guys aren't making it official like no not you you go ahead like like what part of it makes it

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)loving like the situationship if you guys can't even label it like to be monogamous like what makes it like loving um it might have been a little bit sarcastic uh no it's very complicated

AbbyI'm not sure what's going on like I would probably like for it to be a relationship and they are kind of like being a little hot and cold so they also

Abbylive in Arizona so there have you guys met in person yes how uh uh how um he's from Oxnard so he was like visiting

Abbyaround here and yeah so we met like that way and we spent like a few days together after it was supposed to be like a hookup situation um and then he went back home

Brian Atlasand we went on vacation together and here it is you went on vacation together where Joshua Tree okay and you knew though going in that he was going back to Arizona correct mhm

Brian AtlasI did yeah okay and so wait hold on Mexican guy mhm

Brian Atlasokay but you said so wait were you being sarcastic about it being monogamous uh no it's it's definitely monogamous I think you just went on a

Abbydate two days ago with somebody else and you're still on dating apps how could it possibly mon be monogamous yeah no I'm I'm not I'm not sure I was told it was monogamous what

Brian Atlasdo you mean you were told it was monogamous I was told it was monogamous okay so by when you say you were told it was monogamous he said

Abbywhat he said we are not in a relationship but um we're just seeing each other and I said oh okay red flag yeah you Des are better honey it's okay

Brian Atlaswait hold on we he said we're just seeing each other so he said I'm just seeing you and you said okay but you didn't you didn't make any representations about you not stopping

Abbyso he's monogamous you're not I I think it might be the other way around sometimes I don't know what that means me neither so you're

Abbymonogamous he's not I think I don't know what's going on I don't know but you went on a date two days yeah you're not monogamous you just went on a date words have meaning um words have meaning so

Abbyyou said you guys were monogamous yes that's what he says what do you say did you tell him on a date lying did you tell him you want on a

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)date the other day um perhaps not okay so you should let him go she also said that she just wanted a friend to hang out with and she didn't do anything with this guy she went on a date with okay

Abbyshe said friend and then she said date what's going on here was it a hangout or a date the guy two days ago guy to the corner we didn't like do anything like we just hung out so I would say we just

TTShung out LOL paladins donated $200 be the guy that women will sleep with on the first date if she makes you wait you're a chump if she's attracted to you she won't make you wait these

Brian Atlaswomen at least have told you the truth yeah truth is good truth is always good thank you L paladins very good to see you in the chat man you're you're a legend thank you uh okay so you guys are

Brian Atlasnot monogamous then I don't know when you say you hung out with somebody two nights ago uh I guess he wasn't your ended up not being your type I'm still

Abbyconfused by that because I mean I'm assuming he has pictures on his Hing profile yeah I know I definitely knew I didn't like him um like romantically he was just like around and

Abbyhe was willing to hang out with me and I said okay uh what day was it what time of what day was it I don't even know I have no idea was the Sun out or not

Brian AtlasI don't know what well two days ago we Sunday uh did you guys hang out at night time uh yeah around what time it was like

Brian Atlas7 okay 700 p.m. it sounds like a police report yeah yeah for sure he's taking notes too well it's a bit different if you meet a girl for a brunch versus it's 11:00 p.m. on a Friday and you're

Brian Atlastelling her to come over to your place little different Dynamic there so uh in any case okay did you sleep with him no

Brian Atlasabsolutely not okay uh so you've been in the situationship for one month and how you said you moved out here sorry uh when like a year and a

Abbyhalf ago year and a half ago okay have you in terms of like dating history and stuff uh have you had anything longer term in that period no not really um I

Abbywould say like not for lack of trying it just like hasn't worked out M um I feel like a lot of men especially in this area like around UCSB and Isa Vista they're just um not interested in that

Abbyat all and sometimes there's some dishonesty but yeah it's a lot of like late night booty calls and you just figure it out it's like take it or leave it that's what's available so obviously

Abbythere are outliers but like I would be dating men like 10 years older than me if I were to expect like an actual date in a courtship okay all right good to know um we'll come

Nicolletback to some of that later what about you um I'm single all right what were other questions longest relationship how long have you been single uh longest

Nicolletrelationship 7 years and I kind of had a relationship recently but it was only a

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)month so okay I don't know if I count that all right uh sure what about you um I'm single my longest relationship was 5 and 1/2 years I've been single for like 3 months now yeah last time you were on

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)the show you were in a relationship right yeah as soon as I got home he dumped me good times he didn't like the Pod didn't like the Pod at all yeah as soon as I got home he dumped me he dumped you because of the [ __ ] you said

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)not not because of the podcast soon as we got home though but it was a [ __ ] show the entire weekend I was in LA it was a whole [ __ ] show what do you mean wait it was a [ __ ] show with him or yeah with him wait so you've been single for

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)3 months wait the was it the 5-year relationship no no no no how long were you dating the guy that like seven months it was online like I had only seen him a couple times like have you

Brian Atlashad a rebound no have you dated anybody since no have you been on a date since no have you hooked up with anybody since no so you've been celibate for 3 months three months baby okay so why did he

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)dump you he found a new only fans chick she had bigger tits I couldn't compete what okay what was I supposed to do what was I supposed to do she was right there

Brian AtlasI'm all the way in Canada couldn't compete where did he live Texas we went to Texas it was awful you were in a long distance

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)a a a different country relationship mhm that's why I said last time I was here yeah I just I know it's crazy I'll never do that again oops learn my lesson okay

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)you might for green card you know for a green card hey hit her up all right so how would you see him um I saw him we started dating in August I

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)saw him in October I saw him in December and I saw him in February so you guys only saw each other three times yeah and I flew up to him every time you you flew to him but would he pay no he paid he

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)paid the first time but so I no so I came to Vegas and I paid my own ticket and then when I saw him the first time he paid and then the second time I saw him I paid and then wait for uh did you

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)do content with him no like your content do I don't do like BG no I don't do nudes you don't do nudes it's like laundry uh unless you subscribe and maybe you'll find out Parental Guidance

Brian Atlassorry sorry my bad a joke that was a joke that was a joke all right okay so you've been single for three months MH uh are you looking or what's no no I'm just chilling uh what's your

Brian Atlasorientation um by Curious by curious have you ever dated the woman no I was in a relationship for too long going back this way orientation gay for pay

Nicolletbutt straight butt is dope like butt straight what is butt straight yeah that's okay okay um cuz I don't know I don't know what no I don't like anal but

Brian AtlasI'm into men but we'll but for money for money I'll do like girl stuff Have You Done gay for pay yeah not recently good shout out

Brian AtlasBrian orientation I'm straight straight all right moving over to you your relationship sadness uh in a relationship in a relationship okay uh how long have you guys been dating uh six months now six months and last time

Brian Atlasyou were on the show you were not in a relationship not um is it getting pretty serious you this is the one you think or all right he's the best guy I know longest relationship you've ever been in

Brian Atlasuh five years five years okay and when were you on the show like nine months ago was it uh last summer I think yeah yeah it's been n almost a year I

Brian Atlasthink maybe nine or 10 months now you were on the show almost a year ago uh we talked about this a little bit in the chat uh here we go and so you'd been on the show before and in your previous

Brian Atlaspre-show notes and I think you talked about it on the show you mentioned uh you know not having sex until marriage um and I think you kind of were big upping her that she should wait for

Nikkino no no she wasn't she was actually adding on to my point no she said she's like I want to get to know the person first before just jumping into a sexual relationship and I said yes that's great

Nikkiyeah I know no one's going to go as Extreme as I am right now but and it's really hard but it's worth it um but I feel like it kind of cheapens the connection when you're like oh okay

Nikkiwe're just sleeping together like yeah that's that's why it does in a way yeah does it no in my way in my I don't think it cheapens I'm just again when I start dating maybe my opinion well we'll get

Brian Atlasinto that but so uh and you're Christian right yes what denomination non- denominational non okay you get into all the so but in the pre-show notes you said you you said don't have sex before

Brian Atlasmarriage uh and we I don't recall the details if we did we talk about that on the show we did when you were on I don't remember the exacts back in fourth but you have been dating somebody for um 6

Brian Atlasmonths and so I guess the question to you is uh saved by the TTS sky blue top your shirt has buttons every button used was less no you it's

Brian Atlasfine that yeah button that up it's fine you don't no button that up safy first wait is he going to read it saage we white uh to sacka joa next to her Auburn dressed with white flower print and

Brian AtlasMaddie men would kill for women like you so sacka Jaa dress I was like who's wearing a flower okay evil is real thank you bro

Brian Atlasis a crazy appreciate it okay anyways back to this so so so you said don't have sex before marriage you were previously single when you were last on the show you've been dating somebody for

Brian Atlas6 months so have you stuck to the I guess the not having sex before marriage it is really hard it's super hard have not been perfect but we're both in

Nikkiagreement that this is the right thing to do wait what do you mean have not not been perfect doing a little something but not all that yeah it's not all the way but little it's super hard you know you're in love with someone and you're

Nikkireally compatible like this is your best friend it's really hard not to want to share every single part of yourself in that way but I believe that it's should be reserved for a very strong commitment

Nikkia covenant that's what marriage is is he that way too yes so I mean it's but it's still hard I'm not saying like oh yeah it's totally fine and anyone who doesn't do this is stupid not at all this is really difficult and if I could find a

Brian Atlasway around this I would have you heard of the poophole loophole oh my God anyway H well so in your notes you said we

Brian Atlashaven't been perfect but we both agree on abstaining as the way to go I mean so a little clarification there you so you said it's been really hard yeah it's difficult I really like him he's a

Nikkigood-looking guy he's he's the best guy I know but you know it's not easy to be around him sometimes and so you so you guys have had carnal

JoJoknowledge you know like what meets like carneada like are you can you expand on that or is it that to car no it's just did just did you do it that's his favorite word did you do it or no guys

Nikkimy parents are tuning into this yeah but we need answers cuz it's going to get heated in here and I need some back all I'm going to say is we have not been perfect not been perfect okay so we

Brian Atlasknow the answer we know that we but okay so you've been dating him for 6 months how soon into the 6 months were you guys not being perfect

Nikkioh no oh no dad I am sorry uh probably month three that's not bad that's not bad that's not bad at all yeah it's rough

Brian Atlasout here guys is rough out here it's rough out here but so you said you we haven't been

Brian Atlasperfect but we both agree on abstaining is the way to go so is this are you guys continuing to not be perfect no that's what we're agreeing upon like just

Brian Atlasbecause you mess up doesn't mean all goes out the window right but I'm saying like so you're you've already had the slip up correct correct has there been more than one slip

Nikkiup they're trying to be perpose to say Do you ever just slip up on purpose so you mean on purpose just intentionally no no that's what the

Nikkipoint of of trying very hard not to means but have you slipped up multiple times we have not been perfect and that's what I'm gonna leave it at just answer answer the question he's saying

Brian Atlasyes okay so I guess how recently has the most recent slip up been like yesterday

Nikkitoday po dad is watching how recent about a week ago about a week ago AEK don't quot Bobby Schmurda to me in

Brian Atlasthis game now look my my understanding of you know of Christianity is Christianity is not about being perfect it's not nope but but but

Brian AtlasI this is where this whole like I don't know I don't know how to explain it we are we were going to get into the whole like waiting for sex thing

Brian Atlasuh isn't it kind of like practice what you preach a little bit because like if you keep telling each other in your relationship well we cuz this is what

Nikkiyou wrote we both agree on on abstaining is the way to go but you don't for example if you both that's not the default state of being like oh no it's totally fine but like we know that's the right thing like that's not the

Brian Atlasintention you both have agency right like do you guys are you guys both drinking no I actually don't drink you're okay so that's even more agency that you have you can't even blame it on liquor well I wouldn't blame it on

Nikkiliquor anyway that's kind of a [ __ ] out take fair enough accountability but it's like at for example right so again Christianity is not about being perfect

Brian Atlasbut for example if I were to encounter a muslim okay and this Muslim was constantly eating bacon all the

Brian Atlastime and they were not adhering to the to Islamic Doctrine and worldview why and they but they considered themselves a Muslim even though I'm not for example

Brian AtlasI'm not Muslim I would sort of as an outsider look at that and perhaps question well are you genuinely a Muslim yeah of course I can see that and that's why we and I mean all of us on Earth are

Nikkinot equipped to judge one another and I'm not saying like actually we are equipped to judge each other you're you're allowed to discern but judge say oh look you're not a follower you're not this you can make your own notion I

Nikkithink that's smart to do but to genuinely say oh you don't believe this I feel like that's a little out of everyone else's wheelhouse well but okay but so I think one of the criticisms at

Brian Atlasleast when it comes to Christianity is that so people view Christianity as this at least the main a lot of these mainstream churches as this weak

Brian Atlasreligion that just sort of allows anything disagree well do you think women can be clergy no hold on hold on oh my God

Nikkisorry God damn okay please answer your question [Applause] go with I think uh I'm going to go with no on that one I don't think that was going to be

Brian Atlasyour answer but you didn't think it was going to be my answer well if you had to think about it so well I wanted to phrase it very carefully that's a very hot button issue it doesn't mean how is it hot hold on it's a hot button issue

Brian Atlaswith Christianity because like clergy like I don't subcribe to it's literally heresy kind I'm talking even in Protestant even in Pro even if you're a Protestant it's it's a

Nikkiheresy shouldn't it be an instant okay so anyway uh like we this poison well though but okay sorry you know there's no condemnation those in Christ Jesus

Nikkibut anyway uh for that part like I don't think when I think of clergy I think of like priests I think of which I don't actually subscribe to that idea you don't need a priest that's what Jesus Christ is for um but as far as like

Nikkiwomen being able to teach like of course that's how you teach other women and disciple them but as far as like pastoral like no there's there's a leadership that kind of is bestowed upon men and they

Nikkishould kind of step into that and it's not really our place to take that from them okay I just I don't know I want to what is this poisoned well thing what did I poison it wasn't no it wasn't you

Brian Atlasso she said no when the direction was you and then people are very easily influenced oh no and so if if if I ask a question and everybody else

Nikkiif you're ined to say yes you'll probably just like from the pressure I wanted to distinguish like when you're in I don't know if you guys know too much about Christianity but we have like discipleship groups it's like you have a

Nikkimore mature Christian mentoring the younger ones that happens male uh to male and then female to female so I have a spiritual mom so to speak that's discipleship that's teaching that's being a leader but it's not necessarily

Nikkibeing a pastor there's a difference in that so my answer to like women being a pastor and getting up on the pulpit I don't iser different than Pastor I wouldn't know cler sounds very Catholic to me I don't know about any of that it's a lot of extra rules and somehow

Nikkiyou just say one thing and everything is fine and that's not what the Bible teaches so I'm going to stay away from that um because I don't know what that entails fully I also ask what exactly

Nikkiare they teaching you like what's your like what do you do in discipleship in small groups yeah yeah like you said you have someone above you like teaching you like what it's like a very casual thing so she's telling me like here's how I go

Nikkithrough Seasons here's how I resist temptation here's what I have done in my own life and it's more relatable because she's an older woman so it's a little bit EAS yeah she's more experienced it's a little bit different than um like an older man talking to me about how he

Nikkifights Temptation it's a different battle does he or does she tell you about like like things that she messed up on earlier yes of course and that's the very real part of this is here's all

Nikkiof the times where I've tried so hard to live this way to live the way Jesus lived but I am not Jesus I'm not perfect I I fall I Stumble but that doesn't mean you just give up and quit so that's kind

Nikkiof what we're everything she's been through does it always relate back to Jesus for her getting through it most of the time yeah so like I mean earlier Seasons when she wasn't a Christian she's like I felt really lost I didn't know what to do I thought all these things were going to help me and they

Nikkididn't and she became a Christian and she said okay well now I understand why this is how I want to live my life so it's nice to see the before and after too that's my personal relationship with my spiritual Mentor um I'm sure

Brian Atlaseveryone's is different but I guess this is why it's kind of and we we'll get into the whole like waiting for sex thing in a bit M this is why it's hard for me to take even Christian

Nikkiwomen I would like to see like if a man came on especially reformed women what do you mean like I want to see if like a Christian guy came on the show and was like hey I'm trying to do this like how would how would it be received would you get the same like would you get the

Nikkirapid fire like what did you do this when did you do this what was the last time you slipped up I want to know like how would that be experience would you ask him the same questions so I mean if he if he came on and was like preaching

Brian Atlasheavily that you ought to wait to have sex you shouldn't have sex before marriage and then there's like videos of him like going out to the bar and like

Nikki[ __ ] chicks yeah I would I would ask the samea question if he's going to go and say that and then do it that very night I feel like that's a problem but this is like I found this video of you 10 years ago it's like well now I know

Nikkithe truth are am I supposed to just stay in that because I messed up once and I didn't know any better do you just never go back to it wait I'm not sure what you're talking are you l so someone who

Nikkikind of found out this is the truth and now now I know better do you just stop because oh you knew better you knew okay you were we're talking one week ago yeah

Brian Atlashold on you were hold on months guys no you guys are the framing on this is totally not you came on the show 9 months ago you were single 9 months mons

Brian Atlasago your your uh worldview was not to have sex before marriage so it's not this is like a I think it's called a post talk or wait post talk

Brian Atlasjustification your your worldview and value system was already don't have sex before marriage you were single you then 3 months later met a guy and then shortly into your relationship you guys

Nikkihad sex and you've had multiple slip UPS allegedly wait she and then you had sex as recently as uh a week ago okay but the frequency of Time Versus like you're trying to turn away every

Maliasingle day like it's a battle every single day but so are they and they're being on coming on here honest and saying they've had sex so it's not fair to be like well I'm religious and I'm reformed so I don't have to face the consequences and they're going to get

Nikki[ __ ] but they're just being honest well I would like to say I'll totally I'll take all the consequences I'm I'm telling you it's really hard and if I could find a way out of this I totally would on where's the accountability I'm

Brian Atlassorry where's the account find the way out of this I think like just don't have sex it's still really hard to I it looks a little worse

Nikkiwhen you're preaching that people shouldn't do it and then you're doing it yeah okay but On You' been honest doing but doing it every single day like it doesn't matter is very different than I Hade with that nobody nobody that's

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)where you lose me go ahead Abigail go ahead it doesn't make any sense I mean you can say like yeah doesn't happen every day but still it happened and you're out here preaching you know don't have sex before marriage he just makes a

Nikkigood point when he says Practice What You Preach I me yes you made a mistake so don't preach on it oh well I'm so obligated to tell people the truth like hey it's not a great thing to be doing and I have made mistakes I think it's

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)okay to to to you know make mistakes and then be like don't do this cuz I did this and I knew it wasn't right but then it's but then the problem comes in when you're saying well they're [ __ ] around so I never hold on I never said that supported JoJo when she said I

Nikkiwould rather not have it was Bri it was Brian it wasn't me but hold on I supported I supported everyone who said I think waiting is a good idea I talking

Nikkiyou bad listen side please I need you my life but also like the the bigger thing Brian what you said of Christianity is not about being perfect I think you at

Nikkileast I feel I have the duty to be as honest and forthcoming as I possibly can be because I could have easily said nope never did that yeah you could have lied I Could Have Lied I Could Have Lied I could have done that no I appreciate your honesty and that's what a hyp to me

Nikkithat's what a hypocrite is and that's the only people that Jesus criticized it wasn't the woman at the well who had many husbands he said no I love you don't do this anymore like it's a thing but it was the Hypocrites who said we're

Nikkijust so perfect you can't do any of this and lied about all the stuff when they were you know sinning so that's kind of where I'm coming from I'm still a human being like I have needs like I you know

Brian Atlasyour honesty is remarkable thank you I appreciate that okay but it's okay but you you say you have needs you say it's difficult but yeah I'm a human person

Brian Atlasright but if world if your world view is if your value system is and you wrote this in all caps don't have sex before

Nikkimarriage yeah so that's where that's that's my you know how you're on like a journey of losing weight and it's like you're like it's really hard to to a

Nikkidiet right yeah sure and now what you should do is just not eat any junk food cut out your carbs whatever you want you only eat healthy only Whole Foods sure but there's going to be that one oh it's Susie's birthday at the office got to

Brian Atlasget her a cake oh I could just have one slice you slip up but I mean okay like it seems really bad oh now you throw away your whole agree that there's a bit more gravity when it comes to the Christian faith of course I do like there's I don't think there's any

Nikkipreclusion in the Christian faith from eating a donut okay I think missing the point of you're trying to stick to something so hardcore and it's a noble Endeavor hard it's hard to be

Brian Atlasdisciplined it's hard to be disciplined we go why because we're battling flesh every single day but it's it's like because you you said okay don't have sex before marriage you both agree both you

Brian Atlasand your partner agree that abstaining is the way to go but it's almost a mockery if you it's not but you can't okay yes I can yes I

Nikkican so now you're just justifying having no I'm not justifying I'm not justifying you literally just said yes I can have sex I did not say that I think she was acknowledging that she made a mistake I'm saying I'm allowed to make mistakes

Brian Atlasam I not allowed to make mistakes I didn't realize every single person on here was perfect well if you how I mistakenly and accidentally on his if you if you can mistakenly and

Brian Atlasaccidentally fall on his dick every single week oh and then you repent my God I'm sorry I don't know where he's getting that from but it's like what but you're saying but hold on you're making the assumption that it's a continuous

Nikkithing you're making the assumption that this is happening every week and it's like oh fine well it is what it is like it's really not that big of a deal that's what you're implying you said the word you're continuously doing this how

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)how long have you been you had Tex as recently as a month week ago six months so you started sleeping together 3 months in you still hold on we we messed up we you slipped up 3 month and then

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)we and so how often did it happen between the three months that you were together and the weeko I know it does they're probably having sex regularly I I don't I I find it hard you're allowed

Brian Atlasto make your assumptions I think once married why don't you just remove remove all doubt why don't you just tell us thanks Jojo I don't need to do that I said what I said no you don't need to I

Nikkidon't need to you made your assumptions anyway so okay then correct my assumptions okay I will correct that this is not a continuous thing and this doesn't happen every single week I said

Brian Atlaswhat I said okay do you guys live together no no we don't shouldn't do that either I'm just

NikkiI don't know it's a bit it's a bit confusing uh I think you're fine it's like expecting an addict to go cold turkey they're going to relapse that's crazy I but net is

Nikkitouching on a really good point the point is and we touch on this with the diet thing it's hard to be disciplined in any facet this is mine that you're you're continuing to continuing to poke and prod at which is fine you can I know

NikkiI'm not perfect I did not sit here and say I've never done this I'm admitting that I did like and I'm like I'm but I'm trying to be better you guys like this isn't what I want your honesty is commendable your forthcoming is

Brian Atlascommendable but if you're if you are essentially preaching or recommending or your worldview is not having sex before marriage and you and your partner both

Nikkiagree that you ought to be abstaining uh okay I'll let me give you this scenario okay uh let's say I actually don't drink but I'll use this as a as a thing okay

Nikkiso let's say I have a drink and then 45 minutes later I drive my car home okay now I know I did that once I'm still going to tell people hey don't drink and drive are you going to say oh you can't

Nikkisay that cuz you did it yeah it's really dangerous and I I don't want to do that again like let's just not do that no okay I'm not making the mistake doesn't negate your ability to say okay so my

Brian AtlasI'm not I'm not criticizing your worldview that uh you're criticizing that I I have a different hold on I have a different worldview but I don't think it's it's a wrong statement to say I'm

Brian Atlasnot arguing don't have sex before marriage I have a different worldview but I don't think it's it's a wrong way to approach dating relationships marriage I think if you can do it great

Brian Atlasnot my own personal uh worldw for example I'm not a Muslim but if I encounter a Muslim who just totally disregards any of the but do I totally

Brian Atlasdisregard on am I totally disregarding hold on if I meet a Muslim who totally disregards the doctrines of the Islamic faith eating bacon I I'm not an expert

Brian Atlasin the what you know anything anything else that's Haram or they're just not uh meeting uh you know they're not they're sinning I don't Haram sinning I don't know what it is Haring I don't know

TTSHaring there you go um I'm going to be like thinking in my head well even though I'm not a Muslim L paladins doned $200 I like the drinking and driving

TTSanalogy except brown shirt has drunkenly driven like 10 times already and you know she's about to go out to the bar next week I don't drink but anyway I think what you're the mistake you're

Nikkimaking is you're assuming that I'm continuously totally disregarding and I'm telling you I'm not I think I'm telling you I'm not I think this what they're trying to say is the analogy is they're trying to compare

Brian Atlasit to you know and apparently I'm going to go to the bar all sleeping wise you're going to sleep I just feel like it should be honestly it should be kind of one or the other it's like you're

Nikkiasking me to be perfect or shut up that's my set wedding dat feel is a weird way to put it well like put up or shut I'm like oh man that's a rock in a

Brian Atlashard place really rock in a hard place it's kind of like oh you're saying yeah you've already done it you might as well just you've already passed the threshold in this specific but that doesn't mean you have to continue down it is my point

Brian Atlasyeah but you keep making the same see you're saying again you keep making the same mistakes but you you've literally ad okay so fine the only thing you've told us thus far is you had sex 3 months

Brian Atlasin and then as recently as a week ago that's all we know you've refused so so let's assume you've perhaps you've had three other slip-ups five slip-ups every couple weeks I don't know why I

Nikkilove where people are getting these numbers don't read the sorry so I mean uh oh I don't know it's just I I knew you I knew you going to I

NikkiKnew You going to take this angle I totally get it guys I have a confession I am not perfect I don't keep doing this like oh it's fine I'm going to make I'm going to mess up next week but like I'll totally like ask for forgiveness like that's not my attitude there are people

Brian Atlasout there like that I won't lie to you I'm trying really hard not to be a hypocrite and not to be one of them it's just okay I'll I'll tell you we've had a lot of Christian women come on the show a lot who claim to be these virtuous

Brian Atlaspure women who are waiting for marriage I'm a it sucks cool I hear things through the grape vine okay they're hooking up with dudes behind the scenes they're they're holding their they're

Brian Atlastaking photos they got they got [ __ ] scripture in their uh Instagram they got scripture in their Instagram B don't you have like a a cross Emoji yeah I love Jesus in your Instagram yeah

Brian Atlasyou know oh I'm waiting till marriage and then like I find find out that they they're hooking up with [ __ ] boys but didn't Jesus doing that he did that's what no condemnation in Christ Jesus means but also the reason I'm

Nikkicomfortable talking about all this is because while I respect all of you and your opinions not one of you can judge me except Jesus and he chooses not to so I'm just going to throw that out there is why I'm okay confronting this kind of

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)stuff you said you were a Christian right so when you make the mistakes do you go through the process of like repentance of course so repent just means turn away and stop doing it well no I from what I understand it's to take

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)accountability for the action and to actually not continuously make the mistake cuz then cuz then it's like there's not really a point to we're getting really hung up on the continuous again I never said like

Nikkithis is happening every single week I never said that that's what people in chat are saying that's what Brian is saying the continuous and the total disregard of principles I'm telling you I'm not doing

Brian Atlasthat I'm just confused because you guys have already had premarital sex so you're saying oh who cares like he might as well no didn't though the the ship

Brian Atlashas sailed no more and it just who's who's the one who like seems to be a little more interested in having sex you or him i' say it's very equal it's it's

Nikkilike we still have the desire but it's like oh no we agreed we're not doing this like it's a you know so I guess like my hang a little hang up on this is

Brian Atlasto speak more generally or broadly yeah so is we've had a lot of these Christian women come on nothing wrong with it chrisan women great um but they come on

Brian Atlasand they claim that they're waiting for marriage and they're try they're putting on this sort of Act is that what you believe I'm doing I'm really sorry if that's how it's no I don't think you're well putting on an act in so far as oh

Brian AtlasI'm waiting I want I'm going to wait till Mar Ag and like almost all and it typically is the like the non-denominational uh Christian women or like Protestants or whatever um no

Brian Atlasoffense and some taken no they tend to like come on and speak a big game because it's almost this virtue signaling uh but the real like what I

Brian Atlasand I would I'm not going to expose anybody but like what I hear behind the scenes What I Hear through the grape vine they're not waiting till marriage they're hooking up they're doing all this what did you hear about me Brian I

Brian Atlasdidn't hear about you oh okay just wanted to clear that up but so I guess what I'm saying is they'll come on and it's like it frustr frustrates me when people come on and say one thing oh

Brian Atlasthese are my values this is my worldview I'm a good Christian woman I'm waiting till marriage and then we had one girl uh she's taking like stories with her

Brian AtlasBible Bible study whatever and then I find find out like she's hooking up she [ __ ] a guy on the first date some [ __ ] boy guy how do you know

Brian Atlasthis people people go don't gossip and you believe everything you hear from how about this how about this in that specific with that specific girl I got

Brian Atlasit directly from the source from the guy she allegedly hook the [ __ ] boy question he sent a picture I want to see let me see the red receipts who cares they actually ended

Brian Atlasup uh like dating for a while so yeah they were taking taking stories together but [ __ ] the first night and she's on the podcast 2 weeks earlier saying I'm waiting for marriage okay here's here's

Nikkithe scripture in my Instagram bio here's a Bible photo that sounds so like judgy I really apologize forone Jud I'm coming

Nikkioff that way and gross wait what's Judy like the the connotation that's coming out of you describing these Christian women like I'm waiting I like if I'm coming off like that someone somebody come get her because that's not how I

Brian Atlaswant to come off off at all I'm well I'm just saying I'm speaking in general like these people who come on and will say oh I'm waiting for marriage and then like behind the scenes they're but I'm saying

Maliathere's no they're it's really respectful that you came on and we're honest because that's the issue with this panel a lot of times it's going to be these girls where like they're catering to the audience in a different way they're like I never do

Maliathat I never do that at least the off girls are being honest and they're being truthful you have a bunch of like girls up here I would never being honest and you're taking that's not that's hypocritical if you were and you'd

Nikkibecome that kind of person like holier than thou and that's not that's not realistic you're taking the Flack for a lot of other girls th% and I'll take I will take all of it that's totally fine

NikkiI don't mind cuz I know what I'm doing I know what I'm trying really hard to accomplish and if people want to judge me for it go right ahead judge me for other things I'm also like a huge interruptor like I'm really impatient

Brian Atlasget me for those things too okay anyways um so let me get a couple chats in we'll continue on with the relationship status Bron s uh can I have you read this one who who me yeah

JoJoif you can do the reads go ahead what's Hina h h what is this blue shirt is a wife she needs a ring the a cup brown shirt makes the

Brian AtlasTurner look like a decent human being Brian I can guide you to uh oh a better diet and exercise mindset DM me okay thank you bro appreciate it read this

JoJoone please one sec go ahead you okay uh thank you man the appeal to hypocrisy a doctor who smokes

JoJoadvocating for people not to smoke doesn't suddenly negate the fact that smoking is objectively bad for you she [ __ ] and [ __ ] up and knows oh my gosh and she

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)does she knows me too okay he said me too is the problem is the problem that you have with it she Advocates like no sex before marriage or

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)is it like cuz like I totally understand cuz I'm kind of in like same but I'm married but I'm just but I don't Advocate no sex for marriage I say like hey it's a good idea because I know I've

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)messed up already so there's no I can't say anything about it but is the problem that you feel like she's advocating for it's definitely the advocation cuz it

Nikkiseems hypocritical when you say when you say Advocate what is what is the ADV anyone for not doing I'm so he's trying

Brian Atlasto say that I'm doing a two two I don't know how the [ __ ] an appeal to hypocrisy so basically it's it is it would be so here's the thing though it would be a

Brian Atlaslogical fallacy if you were trying to discredit somebody's argument so ex example I'm not saying that her claim is wrong is the difference so in your in your example you're saying a doctor who

Brian Atlassmokes advocating here I'll pull it up a doctor who smokes advocating for people not to smoke doesn't S suddenly negate the fact that smoking is objectively bad for you so I don't

Brian Atlasactually disagree with her on her position however because that's the case because I'm not actually trying to say I'm not trying to say or argue well

Brian Atlasactually waiting until marriage is bad and because you're a hypoc that I made a mistake at all so I should just I'm just it's not I'm not appealing to hyp hypocrisy or doing a like a what's it

Brian Atlascalled um I'm not trying to destroy your worldview or your argument or your personally you should speak on this because you failed call no I'm just

Brian Atlasliterally calling you a hypocrite oh interesting okay so I'm not trying to I'm not trying to oh it's just that I'm not trying to defeat your argument that you're in favor of waiting until sex for

Brian Atlasmarriage by pointing out that well you're a hypocrite so in this example a doctor who smokes advocating for people not to smoke doesn't suddenly negate the fact that smoking is objectively bad uh

Nikkiso in this case Brian if that's the case since I have made mistakes in my life I will never tell anyone what to do because I'm like hey I already did it sorry Brian said I can't admission of like hypocrisy you could admit like a

Nikkilittle bit of hypocrite right guys hypocrite is like a continued pattern of behavior like it's a day like this is who you are but it sounds like you're saying that to avoid taking

Abbyaccountability that's your opinion which you're allowed to have can I say so that's not what I'm doing just go ahead actually go ahead okay um I actually think that like making mistakes is super crucial in like advocating for what you

Abbybelieve in because if you are blindly following something and you've never like experienced the other side like how are you going to know where you stand fully because you're just like following like without even knowing

MaliaI mean some people learn by example and that's what wisdom is where you can learn from other people's mistakes and not have to experience it hear you but if I was drinking one week ago and I came on the podcast said do not drink it's horrible you're not going to take

Maliame like seriously the word of this you know what I mean I respect because you were honest but at the same time it seems a little take that rout you guys caught me at a bad time I'm no you're

Maliagood I I genuinely respect you so much for being honest because it would have been way easier to lie but I understand what they're saying as well no I I get what you guys are saying but again what the the basis of your argument is since

Nikkiyou have made this mistake you can no longer advocate for it what you believe is the right way can but it doesn't mean as much to be honest mean then I don't think anyone should advocate for anything none of us are perfect I don't even agree with that you're totally

Brian Atlaswelcome to advocate for whatever you want to but also understand that people are going to call you a hypocrite and you don't follow your own fine I do follow it I do follow what I made a mistake going back going back to what he's trying to argue when it comes to

Brian Atlasthe appeal to hypocrisy so there's lot people will use logical fallacies in an attempt to defeat a position but I'm not trying to defeat her position

Brian AtlasI'm just simply outright calling her a hypocrite you're allow to do that the doctor smoking hold on the doctor smoking example it would be like you can

Brian Atlascertainly acknowledge that smoking is wrong but you can still be like just because the doctor smokes I'm not trying to negate that smoking is objectively

Brian Atlasbadh I'm just simply pointing out it's he's saying the doctor should practice practice what he preaches yes he ought to he ought to it's I'm not make if if

Brian Atlasmy position like if my position was well smoking is good smoking's good you're saying don't smoke well you smoke so my position is is uh reaffirmed that's what

Brian Atlasthat's not really what I'm trying to get out anyways you're a fat girl telling us we need to lose weight you're not wrong you're just a [ __ ] and you're also everything wrong with modern Christianity oh wow oh damn I didn't

Brian Atlasknow I was F no I you're not literally I think he's trying to make an analogy

Brian Atlashere any d That's s John John Green says how many mistakes constitutes mistake is that John Green like the author she know she made a mistake it's definitely the author no no no you're good it's 100% the

Brian Atlasauthor thank you John Green appreciate I love your book he's a liar appreciate it uh where were oh we're getting around damn okay it's taking this while to get through all this stuff okay what about you relationship um single I've been

Brian Atlassingle for about 3 years uh my longest relationship was almost four okay single for 3 years now last time I perhaps this was an error uh I asked if you've been on any dates in that three years and I

Maliabelieve you said no correct I hadn't I recently started dating about the last two months ago since then I've been more willing to date more trying to get out

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)there I guess okay to the I also interrupt because JoJo had to say her body count but nobody else has yet l

Brian AtlasI said because I just felt like people were assuming already I was like so this I guess this is a bit of a new revelation here with JoJo because I think I previously asked if you've been dating you said no I haven't been dating at all but you are doing kind of like

Maliathe more casual hookup thing so I mean for you even though you've been single for three three years have you been doing like casual hookups um I haven't been doing casual hookups the most recent since I've been on the podcast

Maliahas been about like a month and a half that I've been seeing one person so it's is it still ongoing I don't think so oh so you how long were you singing them uh like a month and a

Brian Atlashalf but it and like you stopped recently yeah okay so you guys were hooking up then uh once yeah just just once yeah and wait so how many times did

Maliayou guys hang out like five wait orientation um I would say bisexual for

Brian Atlassure man or woman I was a man okay and so wait the last time you hung out was that time you guys hooked up no there's one time after that I mean we

Malianever we haven't stopped seeing each other I just don't know what you do you guys live in the same city yeah I just don't really see it going anywhere well I think you just have to

Maliadate a few people and see who you like I'm just I'm really not perfect I'm trying to be perfect well you should be perfect I'm trying you should be figure it out figure it

Brian Atlasout no I was um well are you religious no I was just Cate because so her world view probably has no uh

Brian Atlasrestrictions her world view probably has no restrictions on premarital sex so it wouldn't be imperfect for her to have sex at any point in the courtship process at least from her worldview I

Maliawas only celibate because like you said I can't separate I just don't enjoy casual sex it's not it was never a thing of oh I want to go this long I want to like I want to wait till this it was like if I met somebody and we clicked

Maliaand I felt comfortable and I liked them and I thought it was going to go somewhere I was comfortable doing that uh it just happened to take 2 and a half years mhm but yeah I'm not religious by any means I'm not waiting for anything

Brian Atlasright um I just don't enjoy casual sex so okay yeah but you think this is over then uh we'll see it's still early I don't I don't want to say too much I don't know do you do you like him a bit

Maliamore than he likes you or is it uh I can't tell I think because I've been alone for so long it's hard for me to really tell if I'm like infatuated or like actually like somebody um I don't think you like this guy that much to be

Brian Atlashonest doesn't sound like it sorry you would know what about you I am married married how long have you guys been married going to be a year in July all right one year how long were you guys

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)dating before that so it's going to be 10 years now so we've been together since we were 15 W High School sweethearts okay you go girl do you guys have kids no okay just

Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)corgis yeah just four corgis five allegedly five I thought we had five um I am

Natalie Wintersmarried all right how long a little over a year now all right cool cool uh Natalie what about you I'm single I've been single for like a year and a half

Brian Atlasmy longest relationship is probably about a year all right and one year no prospects you've been on the when you were on a couple months ago nothing in

Natalie Wintersbetween um I don't wait last time you wrong wasn't there a little something there's a little something I was contemplating cuz I don't want to go viral for this cuz I don't want to

Brian Atlasdisrespect Steve [Music] Eve wait is he he's

Natalie Wintersmarried do you want know no the guy I was talking to Yo shout out Steve Bannon Steve is the best we love Steve we should get him on the

Brian Atlasshow well he's a little busy starting July is he what's the I go to prison wait what uh for how long for four months and we he'll be out he'll be

Natalie Wintersout like he'll in the fall before the election no conspiracies no coincidences but I'm sure you guys don't want to hear about that um I wasn't I haven't really been following that what uh what did they get them on

Natalie Wintersokay so the tldr on that is um he technically they say defied a congressional subpoena which came from the January 6 committee but it was an illegitimate sham committee uh comprised by the Democrats so there is a small

Natalie Winterschance that of House Republicans get their act together and establish this like black Advisory Group that they can basically render that committee null and void so then that subpoena would not

Natalie Wintersreally be in effect an actual subpoena so and could be overturned the Steve and currently Peter Navaro is serving a similar sentence uh he's the only misdemeanor in a Miami based Correctional Facility everyone else is

Natalie Wintersfelons but he's technically still waiting on his appeal but I would argue and I feel like it'sit Steve Bon's appeal um no no Peter Nar one of Trump's top economic advisers but um the timing

Natalie Wintersto me is very curious war room like I said is a very very influential show on sort of the magga r in terms of getting people involved and his sentence is going to overlap right to the runup um to the election and you can already see

Natalie WintersMSNBC the way they were covering they were gloating on air about how it's going to be silencing our podcast and all that jazz so again Democrats ignore Congressional subpoenas all the time nothing happens to them but when it's not just Republicans but

Natalie Wintersanti-establishment Republicans they always seem to get thrown in jail but the the story of unrelated to that yeah as you can imagine I'm busy dealing with with all of that and if Steve goes to

Natalie Wintersjail I will likely have to take over the show um but I think that the guy that I was talking to last time I feel like he was gay

Natalie Wintersit happen that was a wild turn watch yeah he was like we should uh H I don't know if I want Clips to be

Natalie Winterssaying this you got this um like we should okay let me let me just put this in context sure so I'm I'm hosting my show okay and I always have my phone on do not

Natalie Wintersdisturb and I open it when I get off air like I'm expecting nothing to you know whatever like maybe a good morning text I don't know and I just open it and it's

Natalie Wintersjust like stream of Consciousness like 20 texts like we should s the D together I really want to be on like just crazy

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