02:50:53Brian Atlaswe ever say hold on would we ever say any of this [ __ ] in the reverse though because no men are overwhelmingly paying for First Dates paying the whole bill um if I get a 28y old man to pay for my
02:51:05Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)meal that's game as hell say it's just me that's normal that's you think it's game to get a guy to pay for your dinner no cuz I usually pay for my own [ __ ] yeah but it's not game you think it's game to have a guy pay for your dinner listen I got games that's like the
02:51:18Abbydefault no no no that's the default no no I have game yeah okay I think the default if that's game what what are you saying I have no game no you have you have negative game he might have a little
02:51:30Brian Atlasmore game than you just a little actually you know what though just a little more I I actually don't she I think she does have game pay for men's meals explain like the na thing that's
02:51:41Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)game yeah that is g i mean like that's her brain that's game no no but if but if but hold on cuz the game went hard heral would be paid for if the game went hard if the game went hard enough her meal would be paid for she's just not
02:51:54Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)playing the game right yeah yeah you're playing the game but you got to just tell you you got to play it the other way and get your meal that's also called manipulation just reference you should do that I think you should do that I
02:52:06Abbydon't think this is like me being naive I think that I like can see what's going on I know that they're manipulating me I know that they probably have the money and I just like feel [ __ ] bad and it works like I'm sorry like I can be manipul like it you're just too sweet
02:52:20Brian Atlasyou're honestly just too sweet you really got to tell people it's such a strange coincidence though that you've ran into so many men they or
02:52:30Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)something hey guess what they watch the pods you want a free I don't want to pay I've never gone into a date like that I asked for expecting her to pay
02:52:41Nikkithat's it's just different people though that's like next level I props to them what do you think about women inviting you on a date do you she would pay the whole bill if she invites you on a date what do you think about that at least half huh or at least
02:52:54Brian Atlashalf I mean I'd go in like probably like half or if she wants to pay for it fine but I'd be prepared to at least pay half but if she asked me out and she's like you pay I'd be like oh okay yeah that's weird that's just actually you know what I probably still would pay cuz you'd be
02:53:07Brian Atlaslike dang that are you easily manipulated too I mean it's a $10 $20 meal I don't care where you going damn what the hell mcdonal out in out we had we had Arby
02:53:18Nikkithe other day was it kind of hit expensive $15 Arby was expensive I mean this brings up like what kind of First Day etiquette like maybe go out for coffee or like tea instead of like a steak dinner at you know what this is my
02:53:29Brian Atlasthis is my soft guy era drizzle drizzle yeah actually girls girls should pay for the first a I agree next for all first dat soft guy summer I don't
02:53:41Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)know relationship that you want I think it depends on the kind of relationship that you want dep what you're looking for for sure if you're looking for like a relationship like that's super traditional where you want a man to provide or whatever the hell it makes sense that he would pay on the first date if you are liberal and you don't
02:53:53Brian Atlasgive a [ __ ] okay pay on the first date then yeah so men are lazy though no no no she said that that was my problem in any other ways that was the lazy is it just the like paying for the date thing
02:54:03Brian Atlasis that's how they're La is it also like sex too like they only want you on top TMI that you Ain hit it from below the
02:54:14Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)hell nothing nothing I didn't say nothing I didn't say goddamn word CRA okay ladies uh what's happening hey yo ladies uh how's your
02:54:25Abbyday going is that it though is that I mean I don't know we have nothing to add guys are lazy I guess no I want to know like I feel like it's easy for you guys to say like if you were in that position
02:54:37Abbythis is what you would do but it doesn't sound like many of you guys have been in the position where you have felt like you had to pay regularly on dates so it's like oh yeah like you should just say like [ __ ] off but like no what would you ask I don't think you need to say [ __ ] off
02:54:50Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)some people really do have the conf confidence you don't need to get aggressive you don't need to get aggressive and fight them you just say I'm paying for my own meal hands you be like wait what's that thing from Borat
02:55:01Nikkio it's like you will never get this yeah yeah yeah you'll never get this you know what you're not going to pay you always win if you do the Borat voice guaranteed winning the statement I I would never
02:55:13JoJosay [ __ ] off I would say at least let's like even if they order more than me I would be like okay I only have enough for mine like you can do that too too to answer your question
02:55:24MaliaI've been on sorry go ahead I've been on a lot of first dates and I've never paid so I don't know like I been in thatu wait
02:55:34Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)let's go let's go that's you get the whole thing you would never get this go ahead go ahead all no just do your no go ahead goad do it's not that we've never been in that position before it's that we
02:55:47Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)understand the position that you're in and I I I hope that you will get to a point where you can tell people now I want you to get to a point where you can tell people now I'm not have a few
02:55:57TTSthings you want to you don't like it walk play next so then so then I I don't want I'm not paying for your
02:56:08TTSstuff my sister she show her Vina to my brother below and say you'll never get this you'll never get this la la la he behind
02:56:18Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)crazy crazy everybody get this any I love Borat godamn I feel like we're not getting the whole story on this you know what I mean oh I sorry I
02:56:30Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)keep playing with this clip God damn it stop it I my hands I need ADHD yeah she
02:56:35Malianeeds ADHD you need I need the DDD what the anyways huh I will say though like a
02:56:46Brian Atlaswe're trying sorry sorry uh okay anyways so men are lazy though men are lazy they're not putting in enough effort yes I think they're putting in a
02:56:57Nikkilot of effort to get you to pay every time I feel like there's a group chat like that seems weird like one after another that seems odd anyways we're going to move on we've been talking about this for a little too long I want
02:57:08Brian Atlasto come back killer of Serial I don't know if he's still in the chat he was he asked about the most embarrassing date was that what he asked from you no I think it was from the whole wasn't it for the whole panel no he said
02:57:20Brian AtlasBrian what's yours yeah what's yours oh wait I thought you asked the whole panel no you go with you out of frame if you oh sorry sorry I try to tell yours it's hold on let me look at what he actually
02:57:31Brian Atlaswrote hold on a sec guys it's probably about you probably so you could just skip it and then Brian he says what's up lady he says what's up ladies and Brian question what is the most embarrassing
02:57:45Brian Atlasthing you can remember doing or happening to you on any dates I don't think I've had anything too embarrassing to be honest one time I was on the first date with this girl barely
02:57:55Brian Atlasspoke English Japanese chick we're at this like Dive Bar super dark and I accidentally spill wine all
02:58:04Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)over her oh no nothing too embarrassing toughy unfortunately I did not that for the yeah I I I was super apologetic it
02:58:15Brian Atlaswas an accident I just like I don't know the coup's on the table I was mhm doing your moves you showing her some moves [ __ ] this spilled over [ __ ] red or
02:58:25Nikkiwhite one red wi you got to Pap for her outfit too I said sorry and then uh yeah can you pay for my wine what about you most embarrassing
02:58:37TTSthing uh I mean I've only been on two first days of my life so how about okay hanging out with a guy most embarrassing thing any guy Michelle 92 donated $200
02:58:48TTSthese guys are [ __ ] Legends trucker here met my fiance 6 years ago and engaged for almost a year paid for 99%
02:58:57Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)of our meals even if money is a bit tight she rarely pays they gots to do better I'm confused it's a w when well I'm confused cuz your your your donators
02:59:10Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)are saying that they pay for a meal but they're also saying you know women are you know greedy gold diggers and disgusting well I agree with the person that you paying for our meals you do you hate that you pay for our meals both finish
02:59:23Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)oh well I don't know I don't know who said it but somebody said If you're looking more for a traditional then it makes more sense but I personally think even if you're looking for if you're looking for a traditional I feel like the woman should pay and the only reason why I say that is because at the end of
02:59:36Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)the day we're looking for providers so how do we prove that we're capable of having them as providers they prove that so we would they prove that they're a provider by paying for the meal they prove they can provide how would we
02:59:47Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)prove that we're worthy of having them being a good person being a sweet woman being being enjoyable being a put
02:59:58Nikkitogether woman no you don't ra your children $30 babe enjoy your burger women receive first like it's the guy that should be taking initiative and then you show we have to bear your child
03:00:09Brian Atlashello that's part most terrible argument for why I got it's the best argument it's such a good argum all the men who've ever paid for a first date for you never how many
03:00:20Brian Atlaschildren yeah not me baby you're not going to get me okay fine you've dated men right yeah I was in relationships you've hooked up with men right no I haven't you've did you say your body
03:00:31Brian Atlaswell I was like yeah well I was like in high school these girls have never dated anybody but they have like a body count of 20 my body count actually 87 I dated one guy for 4 years and I had a little
03:00:42Brian Atlasbit exp I was in high school and it wasn't like serious like I was just like when I use the word date it's not like you you're Bo he's in a tuxedo you're in a
03:00:52Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)super nice dress can be like a casual no I had I had two real boyfriends like real date and then other than that it was just like [ __ ] hookups like it didn't mean anything that was before I
03:01:04Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)got into relationships okay did they take you out before you no I never went on a date or anything no I was like 17 I was 17 I didn't know what it meant to like date another human being but like this whole argument of well I birthe
03:01:16Brian Atlaschildren therefore you should pay well hold on birthing children is really [ __ ] you up it [ __ ] your body up it [ __ ] your mind up destroys your career so there are girls I I would say probably I
03:01:28Brian Atlasdon't a lot of girls will go on dozens if not over a hundred dates before they meet the guy who will finally give them a child so what do you say to all those men that she did not get pregnant for
03:01:40Brian Atlasthe justification for you you having to pay hold on stop interrupting the justification for you having to pay for the first date is because potentially one day you might get me pregnant but none of them got her pregnant I don't
03:01:51Nikkithink it's justification for the arent you made men should pay for dates because women get pregnant you made that argument I well I'm just here I'm just a girl the order is different like men
03:02:03Nikkihave to kind of take the initiative and then I yeah I feel like you should take the in ini is like him kind of feeling out most embarrassing date go ahead damn um again I don't really have any
03:02:16Brian Atlasembarrassing dates I guess okay okay hold on most embarrassing moment with uh a man can we like come back to me and I think about it um I think like just like getting my
03:02:28Abbyperiod um while having sex and then queefing blood everywhere what yeah happens to the best of us Happ to the best of us bro you didn't have to go
03:02:39Abbythere happens to the best of USI damn son you're honest know I wanted to know I told you maybe three times
03:02:48Nikki[ __ ] okay hey look you know you just I think the best strategy as a guy if you just got to ignore that [ __ ] hard respect that I respect just you know what never mind keep hitting
03:03:01Brian Atlascuz she's going to feel bad if bring it for the queef if she queefs you have to just ignore it because there's blood splattering well there's queef and the blood thing that's different but that if she got her
03:03:13Brian AtlasFury you wouldn't keep going the plug you would I to I'm blood queef that's a b that's our band name that's a banable offense blood queef
03:03:24Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)what was our other b band name going to be the lead singer no I think she's going to be the lead singer she's going to be the lead queef I'm the blood queer oh [ __ ] the lead que that's going to be
03:03:35Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)the we're going to put a mic are we going to do an oper right now can't it's like an organ it's just all these women someone's got the keys put a trumpet in there what the
03:03:46Brian Atlas[ __ ] put a flute those americ pie this one time at band camp this one time at bamp I need a noise for one time at band camp I want to stuck a flu in my [ __ ] okay what's that show called it's American
03:03:59Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)Pie no no not American Pie what is it called hi much it's probably like trying to think about it my ex-boyfriend's brother walked in I thought that was really
03:04:12Brian Atlasembarrassing anyways moving on what about you Nicollet most embarrassing situation with the guy um so it's more embarrassing on his part we went on a
03:04:24Nicolletreally nice day it took me to this like expensive sushi restaurant La the date went really well he ordered for me which I thought was really cool yeah um he paid obviously and then obious we go back to his house we're just like
03:04:37Nicolletsitting there watching music videos I'm like okay like I want to get laid so I'm like oh um like show me your bedroom wait you wanted to get laid Yeah okay of course I'm sure he did too had like
03:04:48Nicolletinitiate cuz he wasn't he's being [ __ ] yeah so we're like trying to hook up and it's like his dick isn't getting hard and that's never happened to me before
03:04:58Nicolletso I was just like I didn't say anything about it I was just like we can just cuddle and he was like okay so we cuddle then we start making out you know start
03:05:08Nicolletup again and I like told him like put on a condom cuz I'm not going to like [ __ ] him raw so he's just like trying to get
03:05:17Nicollethard it's not working and then I'm like in doggy and I just feel him like sitting there waiting no I just feel him like I don't know playing around back there trying to figure it out so I like
03:05:28Nicolletlook back and there's no condom on his penis so I freak out and I'm like what he didn't get in me cuz he was just like soft you know but like still I'm going
03:05:39Nicolletto freak out cuz what the hell are you doing and I'm like where's the condom and we're in the middle of the bed it's like a big bed and it's like on on the floor behind you know so he's like oh it
03:05:51Nicolletmust have fallen off and I'm like freaking out and then I start making fun of like his age he was older he was like 42 so I'm like does this happen to you often you can't get hard um you're old
03:06:04Nicolletthis hasn't happened to me before blah blah blah so I was just like being uh really mean to him but I wouldn't have done that if he hadn't tried to [ __ ] me without a condom cuz remember I didn't
03:06:15Nicolletbring up the soft dick issue right away it was it's kind of a little more dark than I was hoping well anyway anyway so I'm technically no anyway so I'm a [ __ ]
03:06:26Nicolletto him I leave his house and then I felt so bad how um I was just like bullying him you went back to [ __ ] him no okay I sent him flowers to his house oh this
03:06:39Nikkiguy is not paying for days getting flowers he paid for the date but yeah so that was like embarrassing for him
03:06:49Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)okay um I call this the rumble stick story so hold on everyone cuz by the way can we try to be brief with the stories if you can so okay so I was with my ex
03:06:58Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)of 5 years and in the middle of sex or whatever you know he's doing his thing he stops kind of you know he's pulls back but he's not all the way out farts
03:07:09Brian Atlashuge fart I swear to God I felt it Rumble through his dick into me the whole thing it's a rumble sck story it was awful why are these all sex stories
03:07:19Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)yeah I know I'm the only one who gave a wholesome there's no I'm from only fans would you expect a wholesome I don't know maybe that's no I would never anyway it was awful it was embarrassing
03:07:31Brian AtlasI couldn't stop laughing I hated every second of it but we made it through okay the question was what is the most embarrassing thing you can remember doing or happening to you on any date I've never been on a date I've never
03:07:41Brian Atlasbeen on a DAT but it could be like a date could could involve like you guys hanging out yeah we hung out all right all right not intimacy you dgen okay we hung out all right what about you I
03:07:53Maliadon't have any I don't have any embarrassing dat stories okay mine's going to be pretty lame compared to these uh I went on a date not that long ago and I left kind of early cuz it wasn't super enjoyable and I was in my Uber home and I left my phone at his
03:08:04Maliahouse so I had to like knock at his door after like hey I left my phone there that was kind of awkward but it's not not a period queef
03:08:15Natalie Wintersunfortunately I don't have while don't have one either um I was well the guy who that is the contender but something I did I don't I don't drink or or do
03:08:27Natalie Wintersdrugs I've only ever smoked weed once in my life and I was it was with this guy who had just started dating and I was like trying to be cool so I I took a hit I don't even know like what it was and
03:08:37Natalie Winterslike 5 minutes later I just fell down and passed out for like 2 hours and apparently I like came to and I was like no we we are going to dinner and went to
03:08:49Natalie Wintersdinner and it's funny cuz I don't eat like anything that's fried or like seed oil stuff and then ate a bunch of fried Gator apparently and I don't really
03:08:57Brian Atlasremember it damn crazy girl Madison I come on you got you got stories there's got to be one come on that one time in Tiana Tiana one tell
03:09:11Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)the ti story I said the most insane thing you could say a little something story The Tana story yeah about me there's more than one Tiana story when
03:09:21Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)we went oh you and him I took Brandon Tiana for the first time never happened never happened crazy
03:09:31Brian Atlasthat sounds amazing anyways uh McKenna I really want to know how Vermont girl makes money why is it such a secret what kind of car did you drive because you say you pick up the guys what kind of car do you drive um
03:09:42Abbyit's a Mercedes SUV I have so many question wait what car do everyone MSRP um I I will say I bought
03:09:54Abbymine lightly used so it wasn't like how many what year uh 2021 oh pain used2 um I think like brand new they go
03:10:05Brian Atlasfor like 55 maybe 50 I don't know so used it was what I'm not going to say oh can I ask how many how many miles were're on
03:10:15Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)it a few okay Kelly Blue Book that [ __ ] 2021 uh 2021 Mercedes GL yeah how do you make M you she manipulating all I just want to know
03:10:27Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)how many horsepower it is wait wait I just want to know how many horsepower it is it's not like super fast it's um how many horsepower it's just like okay you answer every question
03:10:39JoJoexcept for how do you make money somehow like all of her answers lead me with more questions yeah quick me yeah okay sorry I actually understand the point of view of this girl she has my sympathy it's hard to
03:10:51JoJoshow up to a date in a Porsche and then not be willing to pay for a hamburger it'ss for sure for sure yeah you sell drugs I
03:11:02Brian Atlasdon't sell or do drugs I'm sober do sell any illicit Black Market [ __ ] A Nar on herself that's so true okay uh good talk
03:11:14Brian Atlasuh let's see we have a couple chats here we'll get to really quick m does whatever did I miss it how does Charming Fork make her money I totally want to know Charming Fork thank you McKenna
03:11:23Brian Atlasdoes whatever she does the whatever podcast I guess you got to DM the Instagram page if you want to be on the whatever okay whatever how does Vermont
03:11:33Brian Atlasgirl make her damn money McKenna is really invested we all are in how you make your money McKenna how do you make your money by way Nick the split can you change it to Black sorry the the cion
03:11:46Brian Atlasholy [ __ ] oh my bad uh just go ahead do you want to answer the question click on color Source me answer yeah you can talk
03:11:56Abbyanswer answer what question perfect um if you want to answer how you make your money that's what McKenna is asking um I like make a little money but I mostly
03:12:07Abbyjust have money you got stocks stocks I have some yeah gme she has Bitcoin actually just yeah any crypto just a little she started
03:12:17Brian AtlasBitcoin you got some e i really fully trust it but what you got Doge are you a doge into the Doge no Sheba youu
03:12:29Abbyethereum Bitcoin a little bit a little bit I told you Bitcoin I know right kind of wait when you asked the MSRP she said I don't know I didn't buy it who bought it no I
03:12:40Abbybought it with my money um I meant like I I didn't get to finish I didn't buy it brand new so I don't know what the like MSRP for like a brand new version of my I mean it's everyone's asking how she
03:12:51Brian Atlasgot her money I mean uh not to be like flippant about it but like your parents passed away when you were young I don't know what kind of estate they left you but I was I would assume there was some degree of inheritance is that fair to
03:13:02Abbyassume um some but like I will be like so like blunt and so straightforward like I grew up poor as [ __ ] like we were in poverty like constantly like my dad left me nothing he died with like a [ __ ]
03:13:15Abbyton of like credit card deck so your dad left you nothing absolutely nothing except a bunch of shitty clothes what about mom um Mom she had like a life insurance policy which is like a smidgen
03:13:26Abbyso you're not helping your case I know I'm I don't know so it wasn't your parents you know how you make your you know how you make your money you're just not saying it at least say that say I know how I make my money I'm just not
03:13:38Abbysaying it well like honestly I don't cuz I feel like it's just in there iar your where did it come from like it's just in my account like I don't know it just shows up I know that
03:13:51Brian AtlasI invest a little here and there like sometimes I do like a you said you said you grew up poor your father left you with nothing your mother had a life insurance policy that could have I don't know I'm not familiar with life
03:14:04Brian Atlasinsurance how much it would pay out in this sort of situation my mom but you said it wasn't a lot no well you haven't I guess that's subjective I guess that's
03:14:15Brian Atlassubjective I'm assuming you paid at least 40,000 for that uh Mercedes around there right mhm it's a lot of money where are you
03:14:27Brian Atlasgetting this money and Liv she lives in Santa Barbara which is one of the highest cost of living cities 100% uh in the in the United
03:14:37AbbyStates what bank is this that it just shows up cuz random like Rogue Bank in Montana cuz I used to live in Montana huh and money just showed up she's a
03:14:46Abbymystery you're L man czy she hasn't said no so I know are you a assassin obviously Mur Mur obviously
03:14:58NikkiI'm an assassin yeah that's me for sure for sure so you always what other options are there chat what do you guys think chat maybe she had a really
03:15:11Brian Atlasgood job before she stopped working it could have been in there from a job no she she talked about her past job yeah she's too young to have gotten into Bitcoin well no I mean look she could have been like one of these like 11year
03:15:24JoJoolds or some [ __ ] nfts she made some weird nobody nobody made money on nfts didn't that like 8-year-old make weird money they're all saying escort sugar baby es have you
03:15:34Abbydone escorting es no that's what every girl in she's paying for the dates yeah it's just it's not adding up it doesn't add up to me either but I'm glad I'm
03:15:46Abbyhappy would know your own circumstances I swear I don't like I know like I know how money gets into my bank account she just has somebody else's credit card I would like to not know where all this money came
03:16:01Nikkifrom she stole it whatever she's got it now I just I have more questions each time we ask her she
03:16:11Abbyanwers mystery Bo question the main one can you can you read this one you want me to read it yeah um okay they say sounds like life insurance policy
03:16:24Abbyawarded to trust trust managed by bank she magically receives dis dispersements dispersements yeah I can read um yeah I
03:16:34Nikkimean that's part of it what's the other part that's part of it like all sorts of things like I don't know do you do like odd jobs here and there I do okay odd
03:16:45Brian Atlasjobs okay so somewhat of a we're not we won't press her too much uh we were going oh your embarrassing thing did you hm embarrassing thing oh it was uh you
03:16:56Brian Atlasasked to skip right well yeah I mean I guess like a family member walking in that's oh okay it's not that embarrassing that's good good know good know all right let's get back to the pre-show notes Here uh let's see we're
03:17:08Brian Atlasgoing to go to back to Nikki you said hookup culture is a lie we've been fed are you going from like our DMS from a year ago yeah your pre-show notes oh
03:17:20Brian Atlasokay yeah you said you dated guy from an old Nickelodeon show but he ended up being a huge racist what's the story there I told that the last time I was on yeah it was 10-c story then I guess yeah it it was
03:17:32Nikkijust like I thought he was a regular guy I thought he was going to be really cool uh we went out and like we go back uh we're driving back and he's like so anyway I think certain race of people
03:17:44Nikkiaren't as smart because they are certain race and I just went is this a joke damn is this a real thing that's crazy and I was like oh this is he probably just has really weird off-the-wall
03:17:54Nikkihumor I guess and then he doubled down and just kind of kept going and I was like you know what you can just I'm going to go it was just the most awkward experience of my life that he was not
03:18:06Brian Atlaskidding and I was like Wow ruin that show for me '90s Nick or Y2K Y2K '90s Nick all right is that like all that yeah you said slightly rational
03:18:19Brian Atlasdeal deal breakers that shouldn't be deal breakers but totally are mine is anyone who likes country music immediate no I still don't like country music ironically enough law paladins looking
03:18:29Brian Atlasforward to the Caleb Hammer whatever podcast collaboration Taquito Taquito Taquito who is Caleb Hammer doesn't he do the like the audits on your bank account I don't know I don't know who that pretty sure it's a guy from Texas
03:18:43Brian Atlaswho like goes through your bank statements oh so he's going to audit her okay I don't know sounds good uh we'll we'll get her back on the show with Caleb I guess uh anyways and then you
03:18:54Nikkisaid red pill culture is also [ __ ] what do you mean so kind of like the people in the chat saying like oh these guys are legends like they're getting girls to pay for dates like is that really the kind of person you want to be
03:19:07Nikkilike tricking people into paying for wait how's it tricking people I mean well at least in aby's case the whole like oh I'm sorry like I don't have money and she thinking they probably do
03:19:18JoJoand then some people like what a legend like odd thing to idolize in my opinion I my question I is it more red pill culture or uh more like blue pill
03:19:29JoJoculture with that point of which one is which which one's which red is conservative right leaning so like isn't it isn't it more like ocratic left
03:19:41Nikkileaning to be like having um women pay for dates I thought red pill was like the like all women are 304s you just that is red pill but but if if women are
03:19:53JoJopaying for dates dates that's usually under the category of like oh it's a more like a liberal point of view or like left leaning because it's like usually men are the providers of like their red pill point of view I would say
03:20:05Nikkijust the the red pill culture that has anything to do with like treat women however you want and they're not worth any type of respect like that's what I think of when I think of red pill
03:20:15Nikkiculture um I feel like that is not conducive to a good Society it kind of pits people against each other and since men are in my opinion the initiators and
03:20:25Nikkithe providers the leaders really uh women are kind of more in the responding section of that so it's hard for women to stand up and be like no we don't
03:20:36Nikkireally want to do this because it's more natural for us to lead and follow so okay yeah I would then you also said men aren't the enemy it's women acting out of line what do you mean by that wild
03:20:47Nikkitake that's that's what no that's what you said oh I know what I said um I was thinking more of like the the really crazy liberal feminists that are like kind of parading around like proud that
03:20:58Nikkithey're getting abortions like proud of just like sleeping around in like it makes me so sad and it just makes me wonder like are you truly happy living this way or have you been so hurt by
03:21:10Nikkiyour past experiences that you're trying to use anything to cope and kind of make it empowering so yeah I feel like there's been a lot of uh do do you think there are men who
03:21:21Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)have you know you know done that hurt to women who are you know proud of the hurt that they've done to that yeah it's on both sides anyone who's proud to hurt people think it's reactionary on woman's
03:21:33Nikkiside or do you think what is it on woman's side I think it's hard to make that kind of generalization because there's there's you made a huge generation generalization you said women the women out of line are bad for society and now you don't want to make a
03:21:45Nikkigeneralization make a generalization you already did I think anyone out of out of line like anyone proud to manipulate people men or women is so why are you
03:21:55Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)focusing specifically on the woman though the do it I can focus on I'm a little I got a little tired in that minute there but I'm here I'm here now
03:22:06Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)I'm fighting someone bring chickfila it smells smells like like chickfila smells like chickfila no but I'm saying you brought up you brought up something against woman but well you didn't say
03:22:17Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)anything like oh but men do this as well you didn't say you know bring context as well a little bit but it's fine that's that's the whole point of this just ask questions I just want to know you know what actually prompts a lot of these
03:22:28Nikkiquestions I don't know if we can talk about these topics so I'll let Brian they they probably talk about lot of topics give me give me a little details
03:22:36NikkiI'll see that's fine like I don't know if I want to go here women being very supportive of people who aren't
03:22:48Unknownactually women saying that they're now women yeah I don't know if that's allowed it's pride month let's let's just drop the subject yeah what Oh I thought you said get into it I got
03:22:59Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)excited get into this like let's like I feel like that's not advoc for well I mean yeah but we we were talking we weren't talking about trans people we were talking about men can't talk about
03:23:11JoJocertain subjects during pride month on on your podcast great like you not supporting certain viewpoints and it's yeah that which is very adamant about supporting certain viewpoints so I feel like you should drop I also want to say
03:23:24Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)that I wasn't talking about transp I was talking about men specifically what do you want talk about well you dropped you dropped something about women specifically so I was like so why not bring up anything that men have done why
03:23:34Nikkiis it that it's a woman's issue rather than bring up I can bring up both I mean there's sure places where like men are at fault and there's places where women are at fault so in that specific issue that you brought up is it just a a
03:23:46Nikkiwoman's issue or do men have any played a part of course they have a part so what would be the what would the part be I would probably say being the not the demand like they're kind of
03:23:58Nikkicreating a demand for a certain type of woman like oh I want to just sleep around on the first date and I want to make sure I have a girl who does that and then women are kind of like okay I guess I'll just do that okay so men
03:24:11Natalie Winterscreated hookup culture and women participated in it I think if you take a step back and I think if you say that feminism I would say is sort of the precursor to the red pill movement I
03:24:21Natalie Wintersthink women did create the problem because feminism went way too far in a telling women that they could treat their sexuality basically not basically
03:24:32Natalie Wintersacting like men and I think it subverted what was a really really nice traditional Arrangement between men and women where men would provide for women do you think it's okay if men sleep around I don't support promise I don't I
03:24:44Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)don't think men should sleep around either so really should so how are we getting to this point where you call yourself a certified e what eore baby e
03:24:54Natalie Winters[ __ ] baby um sorry with the when you like joke about that I think that sort of dubils with what what you're saying in the sense that when you joke about
03:25:04Natalie Wintersbeing an ehore that doesn't really make men want to like treat you or view women as respecting themselves and as deserving they're going to call me a
03:25:13Natalie Winterswhor regardless whether I call myself well if you're on if you're on if you're on only fans yeah no you got me I think
03:25:22Maliait's kind of like a cat watch yourself watch watch yourself Brian watch yourself what watch yourself I think we just call shitty people shitty people
03:25:35Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)yeah I mean I yeah people are going to call me names regardless like no matter what like I'll be live streaming on Twitch playing [ __ ] World of Warcraft and they were like you're a disgusting horror show me your [ __ ] and I'm like okay W like in the same breath yeah like can I just play this game like I'm going
03:25:48Natalie Wintersto get treated like garbage regardless just for being a woman at alline talking in the scope of dating though I think only fans are just that General approach to female sexuality where you're commodifying your body for okay not $5 a
03:26:01Natalie Wintersmonth but $20 a month that that sort of just breaks down the fabric of traditional relationships where men feel like they can treat you poorly because they if I feel like a man is treating me poorly I wouldn't give him the time of day it's hard because like men are
03:26:13Natalie Wintersconsuming content but women are creating the cont you don't have the ability to enforce that boundary by being I do no you don't a creepy guy who could be treating you horribly could still pay And subscribe to your own but
03:26:25Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)I wouldn't date him if he's treating me horribly but they still get access to you and they could subscribe and watch podcast to it's the same thing as like me posting instagam clothes on during my podcast she doesn't do NES me too I
03:26:36Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)don't do nudes you just have to pay to look at it lingerie it'sing is fine that doesn't bother me the the thing is is I wouldn't interact with someone who I felt like was being mean to me if you're gonna be mean to me because of something
03:26:47Natalie Wintersthat I do buy that's not an issue for me I'm not necessarily talking about like an interpersonal like being mean to you like but you're talking about dating I'm talking about how men approach relation I'm not talking like you're sitting on a
03:27:00Natalie Wintersdate and they say something offensive to you I'm talking about like I think when when women have sort of taken the feminism pill hardcore and they're oh I don't need a man men or whatever that men are going to be more inclined to not
03:27:11Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)treat you with what is a more traditional cherishing role wom I think I think that I do need a man I would love to have a a man in my life and I would love to have some sort of
03:27:22Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)relationship when the time comes but right now because I'm doing only fans there's a lot of men who don't want to interact with me and also because I'm not particularly interested in having a relationship right now there's a lot of men who don't you know wouldn't pursue
03:27:34Natalie Wintersme and that's fine with me that doesn't bother me I think women are are born inherently with their value and your job as a woman is to preserve it by not making choices where you sell yourself out for a variety things and have to
03:27:46JoJowork hard can I add something to this but a lot of these like companies and these like the whole like stuff it's Al also started by Men A lot of times this is a weird this is a
03:27:58JoJoweird like point of view to be like oh it's women's fault for doing this but a lot of times these are porn happened before only fans exctly people were profiting off of wom before only fans pimp and things it's like it's weird to
03:28:11JoJobe like blaming the women my critique is of feminism and we have women to to to to blame pretty heavily for that feminism we we're we're not we're not saying oh bring power to like
03:28:23JoJoprostitution or anything is Weir if this has been happening for many many many years mean right like a healthy level more parasal hold on if I did pornography would it be okay if I
03:28:36Natalie Winterswas St up on PornHub so so why are you saying only fans is on a different level than pornography well what I was saying is women are born inherently with the
03:28:46Natalie Wintersvalue in my opinion and men are not and they have to work to achieve it right St if you look at what men go after Beauty and women more or less and women go after men with you know status that they can provide for them and all I'm saying
03:28:59Natalie Wintersis that when you do things like only fans when you do things like porn now take a step back okay if it would have been you know 30 years ago it wouldn't have been only van it would have been you know who knows prostitution whatever that up in the that current that year it
03:29:11Natalie Winterswould have been that you are denigrating yourself and basically proving that you are not a woman that is deserving not of respect but that you're not upholding your inherent value as a woman would you say a man's inherent value would be
03:29:23Natalie Wintersruined if he did porn well not even that I would say anyone I mean I think anyone would but I think it where we derive our value from is slightly different and just on your point about only fans or
03:29:34JoJothe men running this again it's it's like these women are in these vulnerable States who like they have they don't have any means to be able to make money we throw the vulnerable states of the window though so you're saying you guys
03:29:45JoJoare being being exploited by the I'm we thr window your original point from many many years ago that that was my like my statement it's like where this first started right there it was it was like
03:29:57JoJofor example men taking advantage of these women who who needed a means of making money right sex work years and years ago sex work has always been a
03:30:06JoJothing though even in like years years of like before Christ after Christ all those years like sex work has always been a thing so derived from men controlling women a lot of times too so
03:30:19JoJolike I I don't get the point of holding women accountable but saying men men are like it's okay right I think we ought to hold them both accountable yeah exactly I you want to hold one accountable hold the other I'm not saying to not hold man
03:30:32Natalie Wintersaccountable I think the CEO of only fans who I actually believe is a woman but the owner of it is a Ukrainian the CEO now is a woman but who who's it was it was from it it started offense it sound kind of sounds like you guys are trying
03:30:43Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)to deflect blame you guys are choosing to make content sorry you think I have an only that's crazy the women doing only fans wouldn't be popular if they just didn't put themselves in the situation to be on
03:30:56Maliaonly fans men are going to make wom popular whether you're on only the point of this conversation what's like I'm so lost here what's the point I feel like what I don't respect is more like the not so much like someone doing only fans
03:31:08NikkiI because obviously I respect most people cuz you're a person any person has inherent value but it's this idea of chasing meaningless pleasure like just the ease I I don't respect people who like oh it's easy it's easy to consume
03:31:20Maliaporn it's easy to just like put out content like that doesn't seem if the point is that it's going to like limit your dating pool sure I hear that if the point is that it's not morally correct in your eyes sure I get that like what
03:31:33Nikkiis the point of this I don't understand what is like what are I guess I think it's who's who is to blame for this it's nobody is to blame ity you're a
03:31:44Natalie Wintersmodel's it's like is only fans detrimental to society I me the normalization of only fans is detrimental to society yes yeah how would you say that as someone who
03:31:55Maliaworks in we should also blame every fast food worker for obesity see you know blame anyone who works in any bad indad aspect of capitalism at that point we should get rid of
03:32:07Maliacapitalism you just said the industry I think I don't believe in the normalization of it that like that's crazy um I would never recommend to anyone that came to me to make an account I would
03:32:20Natalie Wintersnever say yeah you should make one if you have an account I can probably make you more money than you can make yourself like that's that's it I'm just curious from your personal moral perspective how do you justify working
03:32:32Maliain an industry that you should not no moral dilemma with it I don't think that we should be talking about it like Vlogs of oh I just bought this yacht and went on this $20,000 day I think people should be open to the discussion of the negative side effects of only fans and
03:32:45Maliawe should have these comments but you shouldn't vilify the people in it you shouldn't vilify the people in it vilify the industry not the people well I just think I'm very sex work neutral if you for your action and have I not taken
03:32:57Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)have I not taken accountability well that's have I not taken accountability this whole time I'm not I'm not vilifying you okay what's up
03:33:06Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)um I do think uh I do think she makes a good point that women who are participating in the industry are a problem and I think that they make a good point that men who are
03:33:19Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)participating in the industry by watching it and paying for it are playing a part both of them I mean sex work in general is wrong and anyone who
03:33:28Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)participates in it it's not a good thing to do it's wrong thing to do so I mean of course the men who are watching it shouldn't be watching it and the women who are participating the demand
03:33:40Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)shouldn't be participating it we can take accountability the industry is ruining Society nobody should be participating there's also the fact that like even like even if I wasn't doing like only fans or whatever like there's
03:33:52Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)going to be men who speak to me in in such a disgusting horrible way like who who come into me like why aren't you selling nudes like I literally was streaming on Twitch the other day playing World of Warcraft and they're like why aren't you showing your ass
03:34:04Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)that shirt is so tight on you there's so many like I don't do o and I still get those DMS you don't have to no no it's not the men bad I'm just saying they're creating a demand for it they're like I literally had someone mad at me being like why aren't you advertising in your only fans why aren't you being nice to me I'm like I'm not being nice to you
03:34:18Nikkicuz you're being weird this isn't ChatterBait you freak is crazy sorry my bad I don't mean to what is your what is your plan like kind of after only fans is yeah I'm getting my degree in accounting oh nice yeah and if it if
03:34:30Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)someone doesn't want to hire me because I have a only fans or whatever that's fine whatever I'll work at a gas station for the rest of my life if I have to she sounds like a hustler whatever makes it work listen I'm from the boonies dog we
03:34:41Nikkigot three McDonald's she didn't mention that no like again I don't I don't want to make anyone who has an only fans like feel bad I wish you didn't do it but it's what it is it is what it is but
03:34:51Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)yeah I to say like it's Julie's fault because from the boonies dog Boonies I'm from the boonies dog three McDonald's from the boonies dog we Vancouver no no Vancouver she from Vancouver I'm not Vancouver I'm not I'm not Vancouver I'm
03:35:04Brian Atlasfrom like a small town she's from the Mean Streets of Vancouver no no no hold on it takes 8 hours for me to get to cver so C leave me alone that's what it's called leave me alone okay go ahead
03:35:16Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)continue um well I was going to say wait hold on Abigail go in go ahead continue Abigail go oh wait I think I I think I made my my point that um women who participate in the industry are
03:35:28Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)absolutely part of the problem of course we're not blaming those women theame but you're absolutely part of the problem and if if you think that sex work or the industry is ruining Society
03:35:39Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)I don't think you should play a part in it yeah I get that I got to eat I mean yeah you might you might really need money but there really
03:35:50Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)are other ways to make money no there are easy but are certainly not everything that's easy is good in fact usually things that are easy are bad but yeah that's the point I was trying to make of like the ease like the proced I
03:36:02Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)want to do the easiest thing there here's the thing here's the thing about so I could work at a gas station I'm working there 30 hours a week you know I get I get a paycheck of $1,500 a month that covers my rent doesn't cover all of
03:36:14Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)my bills you know it doesn't cover my schooling or anything like that I I work on only fans I post three photos a week I make three grand a month without doing anything if I work harder I make more
03:36:25Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)than that why wouldn't I do that why wouldn't I I my my schooling's paid for my rent's paid for my food is paid for Myas for my insurance you care about is money monary yeah but I care about
03:36:37JoJohaving a roof over my head can I add something I see that I I see that so you turn 18 years old and you marry a 40-year-old and then you you get a roof you get everything right I don't want to marry a 40-year-old no I'm saying but
03:36:48JoJoit's easy so you're saying easy means bad right easy is not always bad yeah it's not always bad the I said usually usually bad so you're saying just marrying a random 40-year-old just to
03:36:59Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)pay your bills have a ro your head is bad I mean I would say yeah there's better if you if you care about a future in a family and you're just settling for a guy just because he has money that's not a great situation well the money is
03:37:10Natalie Wintersa benefit the money's a benefit it's not the reason it's easy like I think I'm sure most of I think our jobs are maybe inherently easy like we're naturally drawn to something it is the job in and of itself I would say that only fans is
03:37:23Nicolletprobably like morally wrong yeah there's a lot of things in life that people do that are morally wrong well I don't think only fans is easy though yeah cuz you have to deal with all this hate from people and telling you you're bad you're
03:37:35Nicolletcontributing to the society getting [ __ ] up it might mess with your head a little bit the backlash but it's pretty easy to take a picture [ __ ] my it's not easy
03:37:47Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)you don't just like post your butthole on your WR you know Jesus loves you so much Jes there sub
03:37:59Brian Atlasdisgusting I like to make jokes I will say though like I agree make that same joke but with the a different musolini musini oh but like a different religious
03:38:12Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)figure same with a different M you're going to get banned you're going to get banned but that's the point like you can make fun of Christianity you can't make fun of any other religion I did
03:38:23Brian AtlasMuslim was a dictator Muslims would get upset about people making fun of Jesus than Christians yeah yeah yeah that's true
03:38:32Brian Atlascuz Jesus I guess is still like a a what what do they call him a prophet Muslim a prophet King of the Jews he's the son of God he's talking about no he was a
03:38:44Brian Atlasprophet to Christianity and and to Muslims not Jewish people know you're you'd probably I don't want you to say it but I'll say he wants you to say it he wants you to say it don't tempt me don't tempt
03:38:55Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)me you can't blame only fans on male I was saying earlier I just think I do really believe it's both men and women that need to take accountability I think men need to be stronger and need to be
03:39:06Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)able to not yeah self-control and not engage in this kind of stuff I don't think it's necessarily a man thing I mean I I have to be honest like men have more of power to like disintegrate this
03:39:17Maliacuz if they St closer if they stop if women stop content then there' be nothing want to take a peach I want a PE just the juice you touched it me me me
03:39:28Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)me me you touched it you triy to make me crush a bug and you won't give me the peach juice if someone Don he took it himself what the [ __ ] I going to say if someone donated 100 you stole it from me that was my
03:39:40Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)peach juice that was my peach I will say the only problem that I feel like I have though is to bring up like that your bills are paid or like rent is paid and that that's why you do it because mean there's other jobs no I'm not necessar
03:39:53Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)can do other jobs and still get my stuff paid but it's so much easier to just do only fans but that's easier that was it I'm totally fine with it being easier I'm totally fine with it but she also has her own hours because there's a lot of like N9 to fs and things like that if
03:40:06Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)but you stand by that you would be you would kill someone if you needed to put it for provide for my family me dog absolutely there's so many people though that that are able to do that without doing only fans so I feel like that's so
03:40:19Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)happy for it is difficult it is I'm so happy for them I had a very different life situation I don't have anyone to fall back on I don't have parents I don't have friends I don't have I mean I have friends are you also I was fostered I went to fost beginning of the show
03:40:31Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)yeah she is is it is it too late for an apology Yes actually it's too late for an apology however you can't give me 10 grand or
03:40:41Brian Atlasthe peach juice yeah at least the PE peach juice yeah you the PES I could have taken the pctures I uh I'm going to have actually Natalie read some of these
03:40:52Natalie Winterschats red pill is sorry red pill has seen the world for how it is like the fact that you're a sex hypocrite and that if you can get a woman to pay for a date that's a win she doesn't care about
03:41:02Natalie Wintersher money why should I huh H all right thank you L good couple they belong together and then we have another one about to come in from him you can't
03:41:13Natalie Wintersblame only fans uh or corn on male control it's a lack of male control if anyone wants to be controlled by a man hit me up in my DMs
03:41:23Brian Atlasbut you won't that's why feral woman is an insult by the way do you play World of Warcraft Paladin I'm palad I thought you do that before I thought that your buddy you should know if he's a paladin
03:41:35Brian Atlasor not you don't play WoW anymore he's my he's my homie but we don't talk about video games cuz it's a sensitive subject for me what was your main my are you on Alliance oh he's
03:41:47Brian AtlasAlliance for sure huh you are Alliance aren't you I'm oh what do you play on hord we're all I used to play I don't play okay but what did you play WoW uh
03:41:57Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)what what did you play do that one more time z z let me hear your for The Horde for the hord okay okay but what what race were you on hord for
03:42:09Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)real all right I have no idea what is being said I'll keep going we were playing World of Warcraft Rog UND dead Okay decent she's Rogue she's Rogue blood elf I'm Paladin blood elf your
03:42:20Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)Hunter bloodelf no I'll play anything blood eles are hot as [ __ ] what can I say FU 50 dkp minus what the [ __ ] was that [ __ ] I'm sorry I'm sorry you don't
03:42:31JoJoget wow it's not my problem dog lady Sylvanas is my queen no matter what all right all right stop pandering to the World of Warcraft no my bad L saan my
03:42:42Brian Atlasqueen though we just had a lot of fun last night my bad are bad what's that oh I the The Kinks living on the thin line like 3 hours later Burgess probably still isn't even watching Burgess let me
03:42:54Brian Atlasknow if you're watching and I'll tell you about the I'll give you the scoop I'll give you the deal okay let's get into back to CAD over here you I don't know if this is on your IG or like your
03:43:06Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)Twitter you say you're boringly white yes on my Instagram bio boringly white what does that I what does that it was a joke it's just funny as [ __ ] boringly white it do I don't care this funny is that not funny it was like a chat she
03:43:18Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)got imagine you imagine you go to an ehor Instagram and you read the bio and this [ __ ] says boringly white you're like what the [ __ ] is that not funny as
03:43:28Brian Atlashell I I mean I I came across it and oh did this was you ready for my reaction this is my reaction did you laugh did you laugh this is my reaction this is
03:43:40Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)how I reacted when I saw that [ __ ] you didn't like it cold blood you like it hold on let me also Andrew Tate actually also that was his reaction to it too that was his reaction it's funny it's a
03:43:53Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)joke it's just a joke like it's just stupid it's just genuinely stupid oh wait actually hold on oh no okay that's fine I say stupid [ __ ] all the time I I genuinely think
03:44:04Brian Atlasit's a joke uh okay anyways okay thank you you're welcome you very fun energy oh going to how do you say your name again JoJo oh
03:44:15Julie/Alyssa/Abigail (mixed)herine Kine uh it's Josephine is my fa wait actually I got to cuz I ask you this question every single show O Let's go so I'm excited we've been preparing
03:44:27Brian Atlasthe great Hillary Clinton once said something along the lines of went down women and children are the primary victims of war oh that's so crazy so
03:44:37JoJobetween men and women who's the primary victim of War who is it whoa you've never asked this before Oh my God I have to think about seeing if you've changed
03:44:47JoJoafter no I've actually uh it's crazy because she's doubl down no it's because I've even asked like my dad who's 20 years military and things like that and guess what he said yeah what did your
03:44:58JoJodad say he said women he I have a full text message I can go get my phone and like show you the full text message of the reasonings the reasoning is why it's the women that he believes is the victim okay why don't you just tell us what
03:45:11JoJowhat your argument is then or his argument that you believe in uh it's the same things that I've been like repeating we'll restate it cuz there's new people at the table new viewers well it it's what you constitute as the main
03:45:23JoJovictims for example if you constitute a death as a victim more of a victim versus like brutally brutally like tortured or graped feel like it's graped
03:45:34JoJograped gra yeah I'm not going to I I can't go into the details of it like what you cost you it's like the economy that you have to pick up versus especially the time period
03:45:45JoJowise of what like a lot time period wise there's majority of men who had to go to war for example so women were not working at the time so even with majority of men dying for example you
03:45:57JoJohave to still pick up the economy and things like that of the countries you're from and uh they are going to have to go and would the women exclusively be picking up the economy of the country
03:46:08JoJomajority of men are dying in Wars right so especially at the time period so it's not understanding clearly clearly
03:46:18JoJocoughing sorry you're not understanding so yeah so yeah um they would have to go and get the pick up the jobs that like the men were like dying from for example and and so like it
03:46:31JoJohurts the economy in a way and then so just to be clear you put bad economy over millions of men dead so again it's what you constitute of what what's the
03:46:41Brian Atlasvictim of War picking up a dead economy okay let me here let's bring I'm going to bring it so war is on the macro level let me bring it to the micro level
03:46:53Brian Atlasif somebody gets shot dead in the street are they a victim is there another is there another versus what you could answer the
03:47:03Brian Atlasquestion versus what versus nothing I'm just asking you a question yeah of course they're victim yeah so sad would the police now if the police wait what
03:47:15Brian Atlassad rest in peace okay so if the police are investigating a murder for example okay um how do they categorize the person who was murdered as a what a
03:47:26JoJovictim a victim okay how do you think they categorize like our wed victims and R worded victims got and R worded and things like that
03:47:38Brian Atlasthere you go so same yeah okay how do you think they categorize somebody who's been who uh someone who own owns a uh a business and someone came in and Shop
03:47:48Brian Atlasshoplifted a $5 piece of merchandise yes victims as well so like so there scales right but are there scales to it so would you would you agree when it comes to victimization somebody who's had