3 RUDE FERAL GIRLS KICKED OUT?! 1 RAGE QUIT?! Andrew Wilson! DEMON Feminist?! | Dating Talk #153

Date: 2024-04-17

Duration: 6h 03m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLindsay Graham >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donation Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS/Donation Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_02Kendall(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tara(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lindsay Graham(guest)

SPEAKER_05Jaden(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Alien(guest)

SPEAKER_13Madeline(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAlien reveals she is "dating a tree"; describes kissing tree bark and taking a man to visit it.

“"hi I'm alien I'm 25 and I'm also from Arizona" / "technically I'm single but I'm also dating a tree"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson makes joke referencing a previous "born again virgin" episode; Jaden accuses him of being offensive to sexual assault victims; escalates into first major conflict of the night.

“"he came to give us no he came to also give us Church"”

OtherAlien describes sugar daddy arrangement where she was paid extra to stay celibate for him; second sugar daddy pulled guns on her when she accidentally revealed the arrangement.

“"I had a sugar daddy and he was paying me more money for being celibate"”

OtherLindsay Graham reveals former life as meth addict and stripper; describes being coerced into abortion by abusive narcissistic boyfriend.

“"I was a dancer and a drug addict while attending church"”

QuoteAlien rates herself 12/10 on looks; claims she will continue getting hotter into old age.

“"I think I am the most prettiest girl in the world... I'm a magic person"”

ControversyKendall tells Tara to "bite her tongue" and submit to a man; group tension peaks before the kickout.

“"I would love to see you in a relationship where you bite your tongue like half the time"”

OtherBrian kicks out Tara and companions after prolonged combative behavior; "get the fuck out... your permission to be here has been revoked."

“"get the out get out get out just get out"”

OtherAndrew Wilson describes the "Great Ho Reformation" phenomenon: women in their 30s who "rode the carousel" finding Jesus and infiltrating churches to meet men.

“"women out there who are getting into their 30s and they've realized that they have written what we like to refer to as the Carousel"”

OtherKendall reveals she had thyroid cancer (stage 3) discovered the night before surgery; was also pregnant; chose to carry baby to full term before radiation. Now cancer-free but wears hearing aids.

“"I gave birth to her at full term breastfed her for 2 months and then did radiation"”

OtherBrian recounts being scammed $2,000 by David Spearman (spearmint social) for Instagram username @BrianAtlas; plays video evidence of scammer.

“"it's been over 7 weeks almost two months since I paid him $2,000"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Alien reveals she is "dating a tree." Jaden and Madeline reveal 3-year biromantic asexual relationship. Relationship statuses discussed around table.

Same-sex relationship and Christianity

Extended debate between Andrew Wilson and Jaden/Madeline about reconciling their same-sex relationship with Christian faith. Topics: Paul's epistles, submission in marriage, nuclear family, sex and procreation, whether relationship is "just roommates."

Christian communities vs secular: happiness stats

Andrew and Tara debate statistical methods for measuring happiness in religious vs secular communities. Therapy, anti-depressants, divorce rates, polling methodology discussed.

Nuclear family and patriarchy in marriage

Panel debates whether husbands should be final decision-makers. Lindsay and Kendall argue for male leadership in healthy marriages. Tara and Jaden argue for equal partnership. Andrew runs hypotheticals (lasagna, school choice, business investment). TikTok clip of progressive woman lamenting inability to find masculine liberal men played.

Alien personal stories (sugar daddy, guns, tree)

Alien describes: two simultaneous sugar daddy arrangements, one pulling guns on her. Male racist who kissed her but refused to go further. Spending $10k and driving 15 hours to visit a cheating man. Wrecking a marriage; threesome story. Manipulating a man with love letters.

Dating dynamics: who leads, who initiates

Extended back-and-forth with Tara on dating expectations: who approaches, who asks out, who pays on first date, who initiates physical escalation. Brian demonstrates that nearly every step defaults to male initiative.

Self-ratings (1-10 looks)

All guests rate their own looks 1-10. Alien: 12 (self); Jaden: 8; Tara: 7-7.5; Lindsay: 8; Kendall: 8. Debate over objectivity vs subjectivity of beauty standards.

Gender pay gap and women's sports

Quick panel poll: all deny wage gap is significant today. Jaden notes she updated her view after research. Women's sports taking less seriously: briefly discussed.

Beauty standards: male vs female

Debate on whether female beauty standard is more achievable than male. Brian argues female standard (flat stomach, healthy BMI) is attainable by 90% of women; male bodybuilder standard requires genetics/steroids/years of training. Photos shown for illustration.

Tara rage quit and kickout

After hours of contentious debate, Tara and two companions (Madeline's group) stand up indicating they want to leave. Brian tells them to get out (~5:00:36). Three feral girls leave. Remaining guests continue.

Lindsay Graham personal story: stripper, meth, abortion, cancer

Lindsay reveals: former meth addict and stripper in her 20s. Became pregnant by abusive boyfriend who coerced her into abortion at 8 weeks. Thyroid cancer diagnosis (stage 3) discovered night before surgery; chose to carry baby to full term before radiation. Now cancer-free; wears hearing aids due to progressive deafness.

"Great Ho Reformation" at church

Andrew describes phenomenon of women in their 30s who "rode the carousel" now reforming and attending church to find men. Lindsay reveals her own similar background as context.

Brian's $22k scam story (David Spearman / spearmint social)

Brian recounts being scammed out of $2,000 (originally mentioned $22k at intro) by David Spearman and girlfriend Siara Stevens of "spearmint social" who promised to acquire the @BrianAtlas Instagram username. Paid $2k in crypto Feb 22; 7 weeks later no delivery, no refund. Video clips of David Spearman played as evidence.

Transcript

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Kendalllike in a lot of relationships like a lot of women like it when the guy like takes her top off takes her clothes off okay a lot of women I would not Define myself as not myself myself later down

Brian Atlasthe road he could take my top off I could take my top off it really doesn't matter talking the first time the first time the whole

Brian Atlasseduction guys hold on so when it comes to the first time having sex the whole seduction it's perfectly Mutual there's no initiative on the man's part it's just a totally Mutual if you guys have

Kendallif you already have I'm speaking from experience if you already have a very longterm emotional relationship set in place by long term I mean like 3 months or longer then like yeah you're already official you guys are already dating so

Brian Atlasfor pretty much everything besides the seduction I think it's a bit dubious but fine I'll take you I'll take your word for it uh it sounds like you want the man I took me I belabored the

Brian Atlaspoint you want the man to lead in the beginning hold on that was a ton of steps to get to the only point where I viewed it as kind of mutual which was

Kendallthe seduction the sex 3 months down the road that's a long time for the man to lead I'm saying that a man should lead on the first date with the first initiation after if you guys both like

Kendallthe first dates you guys should both be initiating with each other or talking to each other chasing sing each other whatever it is it shouldn't be one way and if it's one way or one person's putting in more energy then you're it's not worth it for either party it doesn't

Kendallmatter if the girl is putting in more energy than the boy or the boy is putting in more energy than the girl either way it's not worth it can I say something please I really don't think you need us here I think you guys can

Kendalljust hash it out I'm not going to lie cuz this is ridiculous you guys are going back and forth and it's been 9 it's 9:00 right now 4 hours this is ridiculous hours on I don't know if you

Lindsay Grahamcan talk to her she's the only one that absolutely disagrees with everyone on this panel and this whole comment section annihilating everybody as if we all think the same and we're only talking about her

Brian Atlasthis is crazy no disrespect to you at all I've brought attention to you I've brought attention to you I have more questions for her but she's well then get to the point answer it straight up

Kendallbecause I am so over it I'm so sorry but over it it's just and I know you're over it cuz you're not even feeling well on let me just remind you yeah that if I

Brian Atlashave my if I have things correctly with the exception of you actually every single one of you requested to be on the show so I kindly ask you to show respect for the platform this is the way The

Brian AtlasShow Goes you guys had months to do your research and see the nature of the conversations we're showing respect I'm just saying we've had respect this whole time I feel like we are showing Love by

Kendallbeing patient currently already and I'm just saying you guys keep going back and forth get to the next the next question you know what's funny I actually was I actually was you justed this another two

Brian Atlasor minutes by having a meta conversation I'm I'm saying what everyone's thinking maybe you're not that was literally it well hold on let me that was it if if that's what everybody's thinking is that what you guys really you're going to you

Kendallguys leave Maybe not maybe not but is everyone thinking it we can we we can do a show of hands no I don't I don't want to leave I would like I just feel like

Kendallthe conversation that she it just seems lingering yeah yes it's honing in on smells like cigarettes the whole time some people are allergic to cigarette smoke like it

Jadenactually does make me nauseous it's kind of gross nothing we can do about it no obviously I wish I would have wore perfume though but we weren't allowed to not to be disrespectful just to cover this

Aliensmell like it's gross we should get into rates

Jadencandles something yeah let's get into The Superficial stuff that the people want like what let's rate

Jadenourselves so they can rate US back let's talk about sex and stuff I don't know like come on let's do

Brian Atlasit there is something interesting demographically about this panel that's different than most of ours I'll let the chat figure out what I mean by this and you can figure it out for

Brian Atlasyourself um okay ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 go ahead if we're starting out with me I think I'm a

Kendall12 yeah like seven and a half eight undefined cuz it's subjective I'm sorry I'm not answering the question just answer the question okay I'm

Brian Atlasseven eight eight S and a half eight you can do whatever you

Brian Atlaswant wait seven did I said eight eight okay so you're the only you're a 12 yeah okay um I love your confidence is it

Alienconfidence or delusion um it's definitely confidence I think I think that I am the most prettiest girl in the world no offense to everyone else everyone else here is gorgeous

Alienespecially you I've been looking at you this whole entire time I'm like Jesus Christ dude but like whenever I look at myself like you can did you do you feel

Jadenlike do you feel like you were a 12 after the modifications or um before um I think I started feeling like a 12 after it's not about the modifications

Alienit's more about my mindset and like there was at a point where I did think I was ugly but like I kind of went through that can you open the door I kind of went through that and now like I'm at a point where like I don't want to be

Alienanyone else I love myself I love my body I love my face and I love everything about me so yeah what do you think other people would rate you um I know other people that would rate me like a 12 and then I

Brian Atlasknow other people that will probably I I'm probably like a big let's say there's 100,000 people crosssection of men what do you think they would rate you on

Alienaverage yes some would rate you a 10 and some would rate you a zero on average maybe like eight or nine there's a whole thing out there yeah I was watching I was like dang I

Alienwant to join that yeah I mean I typically whenever I'm with a guy they tell me like like I am the prettiest or one of the most beautiful women that they've ever been

Brian Atlaswith so you think it would go over well if a guy said you're mid like he's trying to you and he's like yeah you're kind of mid let's I mean I would it go over yeah oh okay maybe she

Jadenlikes degradation I guess I like people who sometimes de create me and I wouldn't say that loud invalidates you and immediately but yeah okay all right

Alienyou respect yourself you don't respect yourself cuz you want people to degrade you but you're a 12 yeah I don't care if people degrade me cuz it doesn't like actually come off like it doesn't hurt spiritually it hurts you I promise I

Aliendon't think so one question do you think but it doesn't you tell that you're 25 right yeah do you think you'll be more attractive in 10 years than you are now yeah do you think You' be more attractive in 20 years yeah 30 years

Alienyeah okay now you're just no it's like it's I'm a magic person right like a manifestation

Alienwhatever I feel like I've been manifesting that I just keep getting hotter and so whenever I look at myself I just feel like I'm getting hot what about when you're what about when you're 75 in 50 years I still think I'll be hot that's not the question will you be more

Lindsay Grahamattractive than you are now all else being equal more that's that's the question I'm asking be honest probably just the same honestly bro you're delusional I think you're delusional well I look at myself actual delusion like we just proved it there's no way

Lindsay Grahamyou're getting hot she's going to be hotter at

Alien75 aging can be I can I know a lot of black take care of yourself I mean yeah but I take care of myself so but there's a lot of black women that I've seen that are like 60 70

Brian Atlasyears old and they still look young but you haven't seen their 20-year-old pictures you don't know they're hotter than when they were why aren't all the black supermodels 75 instead of 25 why

Alienis that because we like young like what are you asking me right now if okay but if you looked the same and people wouldn't be able to tell that you're older do if you look like I'm

Alienthat's why you have a bunch of girls just going out and just lying about their Prime right now than you for being reasonable 20 years ago right all right jeez and you said it's subjective or

Brian Atlaswhat was your thing yeah beauty is subjective beauty is subjective you get prettier as age but you don't do you think you don't think you can get birdier as you age no yeah you're too far from mine really as you age I think

Kendallyou go like this and then you and then you go like this like I think a lot of it is like barely walking your confidence I think a lot of it is that I mean no one's like super banging you

Kendallknow in Middle School um and your your confidence is like super low and then I feel like as you get older I mean I'm now in my 30s and feel really confident I'm you to you know I'm seven but I'm

Brian Atlasbanging wait so are you saying that you can't make like you can't look at somebody and there can be no differentiation in terms of this person is more attractive than this person no there can but it's

Brian Atlassubjective what one guy thinks is more attractive is sub but but let me ask you a question if I pulled say the entire population of the world and I showed them a picture of guy a and Guy B do you

Brian Atlasthink that there would be like could there be an overwhelming consensus where like 99% of people were like guy a is more attractive than guy B even if we if one's if one's way uglier than the other

Kendallyes if they're both equally there is some objectivity to it then if yeah cuz you said one guy is way ug there is there is objectivity to to Beauty for sure if you don't try at all then you're

Kendallbut you just said it's objective there beauty is subjective not every a degree are

TTS/Donation Voicegoing2 to a girl in the world then your compliments are disingenuous to woman strange you reached that Epiphany only after you altered the objective rating under the

Alienalterations I don't think it was disingenuous it was literally like I meant it from the heart I've been looking at which door was that all right all right let me do uh

Brian Atlaslet me read two we have two chats here coming in and then I have more questions for you uh we have Killa of Serial again leadership means setting an example leaders also do the work that they ask from their followers from the front line

Brian Atlasin a positive moral guiding sense leaders want your full potential just to push ladies oh wait hold on there's another one coming up from Tori thank you killer of Serial man appreciate your

Brian Atlasmessage good to see you as always in the chat and we have Tori here ladies why do you think there's a timeline correlation between the increase of feminism and the increased experience of depression in

Lindsay Grahamsociety as a whole could it be a biological needs duh absolutely and we just literally said that we took women out of the house doing their perfect perfect role of being happily married

Lindsay Grahamand raising and told them to go be boss babes and slave away and act like men and carry their own luggage and change their own tires so yeah okay sounds depressing all right let's see here we do okay we're going to bring it back to

Brian AtlasJaden here you wanted to talk about you said that the and I we'll get the whole panel to answer this the uh uh the gender pay Gap is a very real

Jadenthing so going around the table is the wage Gap gender pay Gap real no I don't think so actually from research i' done I learned that the gender pay cap is not

Jadenthat big anymore so I did more research after I you yeah yeah I did more research after I sent that like I'm not ignorant I want to learn and stuff so all right uh okay you initially wrote

Jadenthat you initially wrote that in your notes but your your Viewpoint has changed Yeah Yeah from doing impressive all right there you go look at trying to involve I'm ignorant on the matter but I

Lindsay Grahambelieve women have are blessed to to carry and and nurture and raise children so if there's a gap there in their wages because they get to go do that right you can be okay with that earnings Gap right

Brian Atlasokay yeah I second that same yeah yeah I I agree thank you Ivory all right you Andrew do you want to do a quick 30

Brian Atlassecond debunking of the wage Gap I mean do we even need to none of them believe in it well just just the why of why you know the why of yeah there's probably viewers I wish she

Andrew Wilsonwas I wish she was back because I'm sure I don't because then it would lead to a whole new debate there's not a wage Gap and I don't think her stomach can handle that right now it's like 18 cents or 98 cents or something like that what do you

Andrew Wilsonmean what is currently is currently looked at well I mean that's what the claim is but there really isn't there really never really was a wage Gap anyway what would happen is men work a

Andrew Wilsonlot longer hours and women get things like paternity leave they want take vacations more they want to do things like this so they can stay at home with their kids and so what ends up happening is it's risky to hire them it's riskier

Andrew Wilsonto hire women for a lot of the same well that's also their role they're supposed to stay home and take care of their kids is not yeah I agree but I'm just saying think of it from an employer standpoint so employers like to hire men who have families as well the reason they do is

Andrew Wilsonbecause they think that men are going to stay at that job for longer loyalty right well it makes a lot of sense right you can't really just leave a job if you are dependent on the pay to take care of your family so when they look at it

Andrew Wilsonthey're like well this is this is great right if you have if you have a family uh that's one thing that employers will look at and say well you're probably going to be stable this type of thing but if you were an employer and you were

Andrew Wilsonlooking at a woman let's say she was you know in her 20s to her really early 30s and you know when you were interviewing her she said things to you like yeah you know we might try for kid number three

Andrew Wilsonor we might try the risk drastically goes up right so definitely yeah so I mean all that has to be taken into account and also the fact that that men just work a lot more hours generally

Andrew Wilsonthan women do even when they're in the same jobs so and that's not the problem the problem when you're looking at that data is it's really hard to make controls so all that data is only as good as the controls that you have so

Brian Atlasyou can make it say whatever the hell you want depending on what what you control for right all right Moving On You also mentioned hm there's a lot here so I

Brian Atlaswon't be able to get everything but don't I don't careing seriously uh you said women's sports are taken less seriously yeah is that really an objection

Brian Atlasyeah isn't that women's fault though because it's like women don't watch women's sports I mean I do you do but I do not watch women there's nothing

Brian Atlasstopping women from going to go support the WNBA but they don't in the same way that men support NBA what's that nothing wait I have a question for you though

Jadencan you name three WNBA players yeah the the famous ones I don't really I don't name them I don't care about basketball oh Britney so wait so

Lindsay Grahamdo you have a problem with women's sports being taken less seriously I just think WNBA though the WNBA I don't I don't watch sports oh cuz I thought he

Andrew Wilsonsaid said um he said do you watch it and you said yeah well I do he said I watch it oh just tennis actually so that's it oh

Andrew Wilsontennis yeah can you name any can you name any NBA players F famous come on oh LeBron James Michael Michael Jordan dude nobody okay

Jadenbut you watch you watch female tennis well he asked yeah I love Maria sharova but she ended up getting in trouble you name three of them Serena Williams Venus

Brian AtlasWilliams Maria sharova uh M Madison Keys okay all right moving on uh let's see here you wanted to talk about I also

Brian Atlasfeel like guys on the podcast always think they're right and as much as you feel like the girls don't hear you out you also have your mindset and won't see the side of the woman and that women are supposed to just submit to a man could be wrong but this is what I've noticed

Brian Atlasbut I find it strange that a man wouldn't want to consult with a woman about big discussions or decisions as you don't always know what a woman wants and men don't always know

Brian Atlaswhat's best even a masculine women even a masculine woman I believe there's supposed to be a Unity to a man and woman's relationship behind every great man is an even greater woman we talked about that woman I don't know what I meant to say about that ah well these

Brian Atlasare your Nots I don't know if you're a man that feels no compassion is prideful you're still half a man okay um that was kind of just saying what I was talking about earlier like

Jadenwomen should submit to a good man I just think that sometimes women are blamed for not being able to find a good man but there's like so many weird men weird C men like I've been approached by just

Jadensure absolutely and I'm just like there's weirdos absolutely 100% yes creepy dudes don't don't take those no I I'm just saying I think creepy dudes like I think you should also tell men to

Brian Atlasdo better cuz I think creepy Dudes ruin the chance for some of the good men sure absolutely so like that's all that's all I don't disagree with you um the one thing though as you did say at the

Brian Atlasbeginning here I also feel like guys on the podcast always think they're right well I'm firm in my belief so this this isn't like a change my mind segment this is a I'm going to combat your viewpoints and your worldview and I think Andrew

Jadenwould probably agree with that I don't think he's here to have his mind changed he's little I think you're always supposed to learn I'm pretty sure it says person withy I'm happy to have my

Andrew Wilsonmind changed like I think that that's what keeps your your argument strong what keeps your mind sharp is iron sharpens iron sure and so I want to have my mind changed on things um it just

Andrew Wilsonusually doesn't get changed because I don't hear a lot of good arguments and then when we start getting into it people get super offended they get upset they tone Poli they do everything in the

Andrew Wilsonworld except to argue which drives me crazy so yeah that's that so I haven't got liked your response better than I liked his yeah so I haven't gotten my mind changed very much right and the

Andrew Wilsonthing is is I've noticed I'll sit in a room full of men and we'll argue the same exact way I'm arguing with you guys right the distinction is you do the

Andrew Wilsonwhole yeah sure what's so funny they I mean they hit us back too right they'll be like you know what I mean and we were too so but it was but the thing no but not really so here's the thing

TTS/Donation Voicethat's interesting black flame NOA donated $200 Andrew seems so done with it tonight might be the beer 1,000 yard St from having to listen to so many modern women

TTS/Donation Voiceon the show with low IQ feminist failed family issues like a nagging wife

Andrew WilsonX9 thank you no I had to pull back on some of the issues because of just what they were but anyway um yeah they'll argue brutally they don't give a right

Andrew Wilsonright and I don't even take it they don't take it personally either but I just noticed that women who want to be treated equally right we want to be equal first thing they start doing is tone policing and being upset with how a

Andrew Wilsonthing is said rather than I want to be equal rather than what is said this is what I've noticed I just wanted to say right this is what I've noticed and it's just interesting to me the distinction in perception because I'd say the best

Andrew Wilsonthing I could do is treat everybody here just like I would treat men when I debate them right so I'm taking you literally at face value that you're just as good as any man who's sitting there to debate with me and instead I get I

Andrew Wilsoncan't believe how you just said that I'm like what the is this right drives me crazy I'm like what the are you talking about we're having a debate let's do it that's the way that I see it

Andrew Wilsonand so no you know maybe Brian is setting his belief structure I'm happy to have my mind changed but I can't have my mind changed if every time you you're an argument people get upset with the

Brian Atlasway thing is said which way it's said how it's said it's just nonsense well Andrew if I may say there I'm sure you would agree that there are some things that are just so patently absurd that

Brian Atlasyou would never uh you know you you could never even agree with something that's just Preposterous yeah but what I try to do even though women say insane

Andrew Wilsonass on this show that's true but not all women not all women not all women okay but they do I still try to actually engage with it you're growing so I'm trying to understand it from

Andrew Wilsontheir perspective so even though it's may sound insane to me I'm like okay maybe I can at least entertain the idea right so I can so I can try to at least understand where they're coming from it doesn't feel like that's what you're

Andrew Wilsondoing right but that's my but this is my but this is my whole point right it would feel like that to a bunch of men who were in the room to be honest it does feel like that I just feel like we disagree yeah for you it's it's fine

Andrew Wilsonright but I'm just saying the like the the over arching tone policing things like this what you just said is key right I feel like I feel like right for

Andrew Wilsonme I disassociate feeling I'm just here to have an argument right I'm here to argue my position my worldview the best way that I possibly can okay and I've uh

Brian AtlasI've heard Andrew arguing with men and uh he argues he'll call them idiots he'll you know that's just not based upon mutual respect though so that's all I'm saying it's totally fine you can argue however you want it's just not

Andrew Wilsonthat respectful that's all and they'll call me that too and I just let it roll right off abely not respect from them either keep it moving yeah keep I've said things on this today that probably aren't respectful and I don't I

Andrew Wilsonapologize for that too by the way so I have to apologize it doesn't bother me awesome you know what I mean I'm just explaining to you that it's it's totally unproductive to have the conversation or the debate if what ends up happening is

Andrew Wilsonyou have to retract and pull back and you can't have the argument because the other person gets so wrapped up in emotions that you can't even have a discussion with them I would have cried if I was emotional you could say whatever you want we just like like she

Brian Atlassaid we just do not agree with everything anything yeah fundamentally that F were gone we I promise we won't linger too long but

Brian Atlasbecause you were gone we asked about the wage Gap even if you disagree I promise we won't linger long on it what's your position on the wage Gap exists doesn't exist the gender pay Gap wage Gap whatever

Kendallum sorry uh I don't really know to be honest I think it's you know the whole women make 77 I think it's like hard to tell because like you would have to go into the details of what roles they

Kendallactually have and what roles the man has and whatever it's only as good as the controls yeah basically I don't I don't necess I don't know if I don't yeah said it and we actually are getting to your

Brian Atlaspre-show notes here you said there's not many but you said maybe the worst date I can think of is a guy picked me up with no plan in mind took me to a pizza shop and didn't eat anything LMAO that was

Brian Atlasweird but other than that I can't really think of anything crazy yeah this does again I won't belabor it but it does kind of go back to this like you don't want the man to lead but in this scenario the one bad date that you

Brian Atlasprovided was because he didn't leave there's a failure of leadership there and that was like a major but I said the first date he should leave right the first here's the thing here's the thing right and again we won't belor this

Brian Atlaspoint so this Schrodinger's feminist I'm telling you Schrodinger's feminist so in my view I don't think like

Brian Atlasleadership in men is it's not like something that you just can turn off and on it's true like it's like you want a guy who leads like he's going to take

Kendallinitiative in other aspects okay um I don't necessarily think if a man plans the first date that he's a leader an alpha blah blah blah blah blah I didn't say that it seems

Kendalllike that's that is him taking the lead though yeah no for sure and and it's commendable but I don't necessarily like I think that if you're if you're asking a girl out first of all which we have already established that's what I think

Kendallmy position is the man should be the one making the first move originally or initially if you're going to do that then yeah like I think how come it's not

Andrew Wilsonequal what do you mean it's not equal how come you don't equally go out and ask been on the first date and equally pay on the first date because I think

Kendallthat just because people have different sorry first of all I I'm speaking personally I prefer when a man initiates and I would assume that most

Kendallwomen do why probably because it makes them feel wanted right and a lot of girls don't necessarily feel wanted by men W that's a crazy statement so that's

Brian Atlasa crazy statement crazy statement do you realize the like the just sheer amount of like sexual attention or even means

Brian Atlasnot sex hold on fine let me let me say the second part of this and romantic attention that you get women are there's an absolute

Brian Atlasoversaturation of Desire going towards men towards women do you think it's the case that women are like coming on to men and hitting on men and just like I

Kendallyou're delusional no I'm not delusional you're delusional it happens to really attractive men it is true yes Apex yes it happens to the Apex of men where that fit like all of the girls so right

Brian Atlasyou're talking okay I will agree with you that here's the difference right an average looking woman even an ugly woman she has the same sexual optionality

Brian Atlaswhich will include attention validation and even romantic attention an average looking woman has the same sexual option as a male celebrity in order as a man

Brian Atlasyeah hold on in order for a man to have the same sexual optionality as even an average looking woman he needs to be an aess celebrity he needs to be professional athlete yes hold on hold on

Brian Atlasyes he does he needs to be a professional athlete he needs to be a famous Something have massive status yes he does I think that's just based on what you men compare each other to like those only fan girls that say

Kendallthat stupid you think on they have that op you think an average looking dude could like three new girls a dayat about why is it always set think it's about the effort that they

Kendallput into their looks and a lot of guys do not put any effort into their looks they sit back and they say if I have money and if I do X Y and Z then she'll she'll sleep with me it doesn't matter she'll marry me it's true all these

Kendallgirls sleep with men because they have money a lot of girls will yeah for sure but a lot of girls also don't want to marry or date a guy that they're not attracted to and a lot of guys don't put any effort into their looks they just

Kendallslobber around expect they expect all of the women to to initiate with them it's like hello girls try we put effort into our looks we actually do things to make ourselves look presentable so yeah it makes a lot of sense that we'd want

Brian Atlassomebody to approach if a guy was very attractive I would approach him I'd have no problem approaching him can't miss that opportunity I would actually argue though even when men do put like do do

Brian Atlasdo the things that they can bear in mind that things like typically plastic surgery and the use of makeup is precluded from use by males in terms of

Kendalllike a guy yes any man could conceivably put on makeup but I would argue most women are going to be like that's kind of weird but like working on your I'm not talking about yeah I'm not talking I'm not talking necessarily about makeup because obviously that's like more I

Kendallmean I mean I guess if they wanted to men could make makeup for men but like that's not really what I'm referring to right but men don't have the same capacity to their Style aesthetic their

Brian Atlasfashion their hair the hair does a lot that's a metrosexual I listen I'm going to be honest I think men are meant to be a a little rough like obviously take care of your grooming have good H

Kendalland you guys are going to compl when don't want to sleep with you this is like we want to sleep with someone we are attracted to that is why hypergamy exists because only 10% of build a

Kendallrelationship going Jesus loves you to in their looks yeah the rest of them think that it's gay and feminine if you even invest even a fraction you think that

Andrew Wilsonhypergamy exists because men don't make themselves look like feminine enough oh dear there's too much of that going on

Kendallnowadays like way too muchy going on I'm I'm super confused attractive how you put effort into your style you put effort into the way you look your hair you take care of your hygiene you work

Jadenout you go to the gym like all that stuff okay but girls do it with makeup you dress to work but here's the dressed to work very nicely but then with women maybe like most most men don't wear

Lindsay Grahamdress to work nicely I don't know I'm a server I see a lot of men you wear this every day I assume right yeah but if that really if that really goodlooking fit

Lindsay Grahamattractive takes care of himself guy gets out of like a beat up Ford Pinto he's not the same dude cuz it's like he takes care of his body but he doesn't

Lindsay Grahamtake care of his life or his lifestyle or his finances or his job so I I completely disagree that if a guy's good looking I'm going to sleep with

Kendallhim is he he cannot have a job let her finish let her finish sorry not not it is not shallow by any means for a woman

Lindsay Grahamto say I would like for you to be decently attractive but I would also like for you to have your finances in order your bills paid your your house in order like you take care of your life

Lindsay Grahamand sometimes that equates to yeah he might be well it's not just he looks good I would never just go for a guy because Tak care of himself she was saying for sex that's not they not talking about relationship

Kendallhe talking talking about like men in general just have this problem I grew up around like I grew up in a men only household I didn't have any girls around me one of

Kendallmy siblings was very insecure at growing up and he was he would tell me that like and I was friends with his friends his friends thought the same way like they they all think very same it's very

Kendallinsecure they feel like if they're ugly from the get-go then why should they put effort into their looks because if they try and they're still ugly that'll make them feel worse than if they try and then if they don't try at all and they're just ugly by default that's

Kendallwhere your worldview is coming from though like I I don't think that's know a lot of men think this way if you start to engage with a lot of men they will tell you I only want only want money

Andrew Wilsonthey only want this want hang on hang on let's take a poll of the men here the opposite is true so men this was my experience right with with

Andrew Wilsonme and all my friends etc etc if we were dating or you going out on dates things like that yeah they would they would go to not only go to the gym but they would try to find Nice Clothing they talk to each other about

Andrew Wilsondifferent things to wear all that type of stuff they were all of them were like that that is not majority of men it's not yeah I don't think you can make that statement and competently back it up I think that most I think that most men

Andrew Wilsonyeah I think that if they're trying to attract a mate yeah I think that they try to do something yeah I think maybe maybe I just think men are they also try

Lindsay Grahamto develop other traits that attract women like a personality or because women are always like money money money so they're going to try I don't think that they look at beauty standards the same way I think that women are starting

Kendallto now because again we're no longer we don't have to get married in order to participate in society so if we're going to get married to a man and we're going to have to have sex with him for like what 5 days a week or to have sex like you should man I love sleep with my

Kendallsaying that is what I'm saying you should want to sleep with someone you're attracted to it shouldn't feel like it's a chore I know it just sounds like you have such a horrible view of men and I don't know if it's going to ever change I not a horrible view of men I I'm

Kendallfriends with a lot of guys I have a horrible friends you don't have a good you haven't had a good solid relationship with a man that is attractive that you're sexually attracted to had a two-year relationship what like I've had multiple year

Brian Atlasrelationship was there was it a dead bedroom in that relationship which one the twoyear both of them were honestly dead de do you know what I mean when I say dead bedroom wait can you stop playing with that so it was so both of

Brian Atlasthem were dead bedrooms yeah both of them okay there's a there's a common denominator though it was what my fault it was your fault yes how did it end up becoming a dead bedroom well I was very

Kendallinexperienced sexually the first why why would that matter well the first guy I wasn't really super to and then the second you're too far from the mic sorry

Brian Atlasand the second guy chair into the table it hits and then the second guy I don't know we just didn't really have any it didn't work so why did you wait hold on not work how long did you date the second guy for I think a year and a half

Kendallwhy would you wait you just kept having sex with them and you didn't like it no I I I mean I would have kept like trying to make it work no not not like that I

TTS/Donation Voicewould have kept trying just to see if like I can fix her I'll fix you donated $200 feminists with laundry list of requirements good thing I bring a weight

TTS/Donation Voicescale when I meet women in public along with makeup wipes asking a woman's body count and between age 18 to 25 what is

Jadenthat fair you're not getting laid brozy that's a good idea bro bringing a weight scale is crazy the makeup wipes I understand trying to find out crazy he's

Lindsay Grahamtrying to point out the hypocrisy of of women wanting but then but then we show up with caked on makeup and lying about our weight on Tinder apps and things like that and men lie about their heights

Brian Atlaslike weight on Tinder I mean I'm not on any J wait thank you beating cheeks wait let's get back to the dead bedroom situation so okay um wait you said you've had prior you've had if I recall

Brian Atlascorrectly you said you've had three was it three relationships two relationships and one friends with benefits friends with benefits wait uh wait there was a Friends with Benefits how long did you

Brian Atlaswait that's what that's what made me realize I didn't want to do that again you you don't want to do it again so you guys hooked up like first night no second night third night it was like two months three months oh that's not even

Brian Atlasthat fast no it's not but it's still front off it wasn't official okay um but so for you you said you were in a two-year relationship that was a dead bedroom yeah because of you well it

Kendallwasn't really a dead bedroom for him it was for me wait okay just to be clear so dead bedroom is like no just in general but I gave him like all the time so did you have sex once with we're

Brian Atlasgetting explicit that's fine I'm I don't mind being getting talking about the Deets Daddy's GNA watch this it's okay it's okay just let her answer okay um

Kendallwait so you never had sex with him though the first one no a a weird relationship I got into into it not thinking that it was going

Kendallto last because I was religiously Jewish at the time and so when I got into it I was like there's no like this is ending

Kendalland that was like my so then why okay well and then you stay we both liked each other a lot and then yeah we stayed each other for 2 years and then I wasm purp right that's my dating advice don't date without purpose date for purpose

Brian Atlasyour your other relationship your other relationship it was a dead dead bedroom too the second one yeah but you did have sex we had sex I think that was more his fault though than mine like he wasn't

Kendallinitiating um no he was I think he he didn't really know how to be with a girl who had not much experience like me so because of that he he was expecting me

Kendallto behave in a certain way and I was just what do you mean behave how like I don't I don't know he wanted like take initiative perhaps I don't know but I don't really know what I'm doing in that regard so I kind of just needed somebody you want there you go okay well you okay

Kendallthat totally contradicts what we were talking about earlier um moving things on you said that Hy no it doesn't okay whatever fine I would have been fine in that relationship if he kept if he kept if he was committed you

Kendallknow what I mean but he he was like around because our sex wasn't that good anyways and then I was like okay I'm done with you the sex was bad yeah that's why the de bedroom was dead did you communicate with him about

Kendallthis he he knew the sex is bad I was not what do you mean he knew I was not wet huh you weren't what I wasn't wet I was dry basically she was not attracted to him she did not like it she

Kendallshouldn't no I think I think he was just bad at foreplay and perhaps might have had porn brain or something like he always said stuff like I'm such a porn star or whatever oh yeah there was no foreplay or there was man should have been broken was not very good at

Brian Atlasforeplay definitely the first boyfriend was better with foreplay I hope they're listening I hope these boyfriends are listening I feel bad I really hope they're not listening so there's before we get into your point that

Brian Atlashypergamy is men's fault I do want to wrap up the conversation about you seem to think that when you you were pushing back on

Brian Atlasit was my position that geez I'm trying to remember exactly what it was we're basically arguing about how women have more sexual options than men and you seem to disagree theree no I don't disagree on that

Kendallyou're saying I saying that average you're saying an ugly average woman have the same amount as like an attractive man I just I more sexual optionality I disagree with you I think you underestimate the amount of options an

Brian Atlasattractive man has I know a lot of wom with low standards hold on I'm talk so if we're talking about average comparing average women to average men oh if we're talking about average women then yes average women have more sexual far more

Brian Atlasyeah for sure an average woman if she was so inclined could three new guys a day 100% an average man hookup culture is not available to most men if hookup culture is like being able to

KendallCasual like have casual sexual encounters like I care about attraction obviously but I know a lot of girls that don't really care about whether they're like whatever is like that attractive but they but they it's the personality

Brian Atlasthat really wins them over arguing though that's I'm arguing I'm saying that any any woman even if she's really unattractive has access to hookup

Brian Atlasculture whether she might not actually engage in it but she has access to it whereas I would argue very fairly few men have access to hure so that's where I don't think that they don't have

Kendallaccess probably makes them like they definitely have to try harder and I think I think the reason for this disparity is because women genuinely do try pretty hard to be a good partner for

Kendalla men whereas yeah I don't think men do I think men have this idea women let me let me let me girl you like somebody hurt you somebody hurt you allow me to rephrase men put inight you don't do

Kendallwomen really much in the courtship process what do you bring to the table what I meant to say what you bring to the table put their efforts in the wrong places

Kendallhear how so what what efforts like for example they're like okay we don't have to try at all on our attraction or our hygiene or our not

Kendalltrue that's not true if we just try in these aspects it's fine whereas a woman is like I have to be pretty I have to have a job I have to do all these things have a job no you have to have a job no

Kendallgirls girls don't have to have any of that girl who doesn't have J I'm saying that say can totally find a girl without a job and a guy will be okay with dating her though that is completely true but

KendallVersa abely he's not going to be good he's not going to be able to date her because he's going to be like I don't have enough money yet I need to make more money I need to make at least 80k so then you need to date people that are older probably then that's why no one's

Kendallgoing to be rich at 24 25 for how old you are it takes time that's why I don't necessarily have that standard right I'm not necessarily like I think you I'm I

Kendallwork at home first of all I'm a freelancer so it helps because I don't necessarily think he has to be the only one making money CU I can make money from home so doing Amazon I yeah it's not it's not on Amazon but I help people

Kendallwho work with Amazon okay yeah like companies that work with Amazon yeah so I don't necessarily need him to be the only bread she's not like in the warehouse I mean I would actually argue though I mean just you you said

Brian Atlasthat well men don't have to focus on their looks and women have there's these beauty standards that women have to I said men should focus on their looks more well here's the other here's the

Brian Atlasother kind of uh issue is that women's assessment of men's physical appearance like men will grade women on a bell

Brian Atlascurve whereas women have a very disproportionate uh assessment of men's physical attractiveness for example I think it this and Nick you might have some graphs or something they basically

Brian Atlasfind 80% of yeah women find 80% of men unattractive okay so while while 80% of them are not all what our I'm not going to say I'm not going to say brain are

Kendallattracted to I'm not going to say that all 80% of them are not trying at all but I would argue that a large majority of that 80% is probably putting very little to no effort into their looks and that's why women think I don't know I've seen some nasty girls so I just want as

Kendalllong as we're bashing men over here like I've seen some girls who can be really ugly sometimes but for the most part girls you seen bathrooms y bathrooms are I mean our bathrooms women's

Jadenbathrooms are he's correct I walk into bathrooms most of the time and say I cannot believe this is a woman's bathroom this is disgusting women have failed us y'all piss over the all over the seat all that why are

Lindsay Grahamyou in women's restrooms I've heard from women I'm not why are I opened a M's restroom the other day gas station on the way here and do you know why do you know why our bathrooms are so disgusting like that

Lindsay Grahambecause now there's men identifying as women coming in there they're messing it all not the women's B I've seen women's tampons all over the Flor those are also

Brian Atlasfrom men okay all right uh oh man all right she do we do the what uh oh so one of her things was like hypergamy let's skip to the hypergamy

Brian AtlasChart cuz she actually has a tweet about it that you you retweeted recently you so you say hypergamy is men's fault correct yeah pull up the her tweet first and then we'll go to our

Kendallchart bringing up my tweets great are you so are you like a plant feminist I'm a feminist a PL I think men and women should be equal I I just don't think you

Kendalldo everything you say doesn't go with them for the first month women should be treated with respect I don't think you want this one can you out we already went through that we already went through all that on the side but if he's

Brian Atlasreally attractive I'll make the first move I've done it before cap I don't care uh so you retweet you retweeted this this image has broken the psyches of hundreds of thousands of 18 to 24 year old men who do not touch grass

Brian Atlasscroll down uh scroll out or actually that's fine right there so this is Nick and show us the hypergamy chart now M all right so this is typically the way

Brian Atlasthis is more easily make a smaller please this is typically how we're this infographic is presented not the weird Cube one or block one or whatever so on

Brian Atlasthe left you have whom men would happily partner with and on the right you have whom women would happily partner with well I mean this is actually you say I mean you retweeted that tweet so I

Kendallassume you agree with it I agree this is actually a phenomenon yeah I agree it exists I'm not going to disagree with you on that I just think that men would rather especially respectfully on

Kendallpodcast casts like these they would rather blame the women instead of looking internally and saying okay what can we do to to improve because a lot of and I'm not saying but that is that is

Brian Atlasfemale hypergamy what do you mean well women don't just tend to accept men as they are men have to level up in various ways don't you think if you're supposed to be fit to leave a home you should

Andrew Wilsonhave like you should be a very strong intelligent educated man and there's a lot of not those not be frustrated fit to not be a nagging wife right that one of the things that you'd

Andrew Wilsonbring to the table seems like men for anything though maybe something youd bring to the table would be humbleness right maybe the ability to um uh back off a little bit on criticisms things

Andrew Wilsonlike this Jesus Christ was a humble servant CH one one serve your husband yeah so one of the things that that I look at when I see a chart like that so it's showing the top three if you pull

Andrew Wilsonthe chart back up on the right you say hypergamy is is real it's correct it's men's fault because they're not dressing as nice they're not you know doing their hair up as good they're not going to the

Kendallgym as much they don't they don't work on themselves they'd rather just blame it all on women so it's all a women problem and while there are no doubt women who definitely do contribute to

Brian Atlashypergamy I don't think that if men as a whole actually worked on themselves wait I actually think men are more involved in self-improvement than women are because men get beat down constantly a

Brian Atlasman can't just sit there and be delusional I'm a 10 I'm a 10 I'm a 10 he's going to have life slap him in the face I would actually argue you have a society that's you know the that's against like the fat shaming

Brian Atlasoh you're H oh you're beautiful at any size actually I would argue that women women who make poor choices and who refuse to self-improve they get coddled whereas men get slapped in the

Kendallface if they're just going to be fat slobs I would agree with you on that yeah I agree with you on that but I don't NE necessarily think that that men as a whole are doing the best they can

Kendallsorry are doing the best they can to attract women who's more likely to be focused on their physical fitness men or women that's that's I think right now it's men but I think women honestly we

Kendallhave a lower sex drive and therefore I think it's more important for the man to be more attractive not true that women have a lower sex drive that's a myth is it a myth I might disagree with you I've

Andrew Wilsonseen that's true no it's not it's not true that women have a lower sex drug what it's true so well what about the testosterone the testosterone thing is interesting right it's an argument that

Andrew WilsonI used to make right so people always ask can you change your mind yeah I can change my mind I used to make the same argument that take take a look at testosterone that's true but you know

Andrew Wilsonwomen they require less testosterone they still have testosterone and they just require less of it and when they balance of testosterone is where it needs to be yeah they're just like men when in that regard they just require

Andrew Wilsonless of it so it's an it's an interesting phenomenon but the more that they're looking at it the more they think it's not nearly as lopsided as we thought so it's possible that my perspective on this might be a little bit warped because I come from a Jewish

KendallCommunity where it's like you know girls are not supposed to be sexual not the highest testosterone Community maybe yeah so I mean especially among the females right women aren't supposed to

Andrew Wilsonbe like partaking in that sort of stuff so that might frame my view well not just that it might not just be that but um you know it could be your hormones

Andrew Wilsontoo like have you taken birth control I did I didn't like it I yeah so I mean that that throws women's hormones off constantly messes them all up messes their sex drive all up yeah but before and then after it's the same

Andrew Wilsonright no I'm speaking from personal experience for me before you mean before you took it after and then I got I'm just saying just saying there it could be chemicals could be all kind all kinds of

Kendallyour experience definitely seems to be an exception to what we usually hear on here I hear what you're saying but I think that if men as a whole did put more energy into their looks I have I I want to pull up my Twitter just to show

Kendallyou but there's like there's one there's one video of a guy who went to go get a haircut his hair was just like I don't know he just looked like a random average dude and then after the haircut was done he looked like a 10 out of 10 and like it's really just as simple as

Kendalllike putting some energy in find the the haircut that works for your face find an a fashion style that you like and makes you like flatters your features go out looking like you actually intentionally tried because that's what women do and

Andrew Wilsonthat's why we're attractive because we actually put effort into I totally agree with you if you if you look at the effort on the other side it sure seems like they're putting in a lot of effort putting in a

Andrew Wilsonlot of effort to make more money say and putting in a lot of effort to get better cars get better clothes go to the gym crazy so I think I think them to obv you got guys right now you got an entire

Andrew Wilsonindustry these pickup artist crazies right and they are selling men hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of courses so that they can learn how to do all that you just talked about yeah and meanwhile if they literally just

Andrew Wilsoninvested 20 minutes into their looks like every day it would I mean you have to you have to have some kind of guide for that right so that's how they're able to make that's how they're able to make that kind of cash but I mean men

Kendallare investing tons into this kind of stuff I would rather have my man F money and tons of effort into fashion not just fashion but but working working out

Kendallright working out self-improvement that's a huge thing in society right now for young men self-improvement yeah but I think I think it's misrepresented to them I think I think what they view as self-improvement is not necessarily and

Kendallsame for women by the way I'm going to I'm going to apply it to both sides I think a lot of people on both sides put their energy in the wrong place and call it self-improvement when it's not yeah but but I don't understand

Kendallbecause the things that you say are the place to put it in well that's where they're putting it having working having a job to sustain yourself isn't something you should be doing for women that's something everybody should just be doing in general right so that's not that's not something someone should pack

Andrew WilsonI'm talking about a job but you're saying but you're saying you're saying the self-improvement of looks but it's called looks maxing and it's a big deal that's a huge part of self-improvement from now it's becoming more of a big deal I think that's a good thing it has

Alienfor years it doesn't even have to just be looks maxing it's just grooming in general like a lot of men but that's looks sming right not really that's like how's it not like I'm talking about like

Kendallhygiene and stuff that's look maxing that's everything but I don't think we want to go to that other there's another extreme for this yeah but there's another extreme you swing the pendulum the other way and we have these soy boys

Kendallwho are waxing their eyebrows and wearing makeup and that's nasty I'd rather my men focus on making the money so that I can stay home with our children and M body so that they can be

Lindsay Grahammy protector and provider so like the whole look thing I feel like most attractive in Hollywood been talking the whole podcast no it just keep going never

Alienend I wonder if this is a prom in relationships for you I know you just like they they talk about that having AAG that right now I just want to watch

Brian AtlasBreaking Bad Can you kindly zip it okay you're right you're right I'm sorry no okay um comment I just

Brian Atlassaw okay um I'm not relatable wait I have a question for you you say these the guys they have to like make themselves look better but

Kendalllike not average like would you date an average guy maybe you maybe yeah maybe depends he's nice to me if he tries he has a

Brian Atlasgood personality and he's Charming say he's got an averagely nice personality and he's Pleasant okay if you're all average all across the board probably not no like you need something to stand out if you're going to if you're going

Brian Atlasto be average un look why because who wants to date like aren't you average I guess everybody's average but when you're trying to present yourself to somebody you don't really want to be average you know what you've actually just made the case for female hypergamy

Brian Atlasyou're in my estimation you strike me as a fairly average woman I'm not saying that to be insulting yet you need a guy to set himself apart to be more than just average I don't I just need put a

Kendalllittle effort into his looks because no guy does that if you're if you're put into your looks you're already above average for a guy BR first off I would actually argue I would actually argue hold on that some comments please hold

Brian Atlason we'll get to it I would actually argue when it comes to physical appearance women have far more rigid standards when it comes to body types they want in men I'd probably agree with

Brian Atlasyou so so that's fair and also if we're talking about like societal uh influence or societal impact you know beauty standards blah blah blah we hear this a

Brian Atlaslot from feminists I would argue that depictions of aspirational body types uh for men are far harder to attain than what you see of

Kendallwomen um that I I would kind of say it's pretty equal I think I think men abely struggle with body image issues especially ones who care enough like go to the gym and do whatnot All That Jazz

KendallI think they struggle similarly to girls who also either have Eating Disorders or put in all that energy to go to the gym and whatnot right I think it's a pretty similar struggle in that regard well okay like let's look at superhero movies

Brian Atlasright like the female leads in the superhero movies I would argue that their physique is achievable by 90% of women no it's not yes it is okay so

Kendallthat's just ignorance it's really it's just they have maybe a little bit of muscle maybe yeah but then you look at Aquaman oh my gosh look at his I agree with you on that but I'm that's what I'm

Kendallarguing acting like every single supermodel woman is is achievable for a girl that's not true achievable it's it's more achievable for women I think that's probably equally cuz if you want

Kendallif you want a supermodel girl she's going to have to go to the gym and work out yes she is you cannot be a supermodel and not go to the gym and

Brian Atlasthat the female body that 80 90% of men would like deem it might not be the the ultimate but the female body that is

Brian Atlasextremely achievable that 80 to 90% of men would find ATT Tractive which is just a woman with a low body fat percentage without any even without any well actually if I show you pictures of bro they're

Jadenthin dude hold on they're thin but they're they're a strong women you have to maintain that that's not something that just comes easily also a lot of women have stomach problems and things that cause bloating and other

Kendallissues it's not just a matter of oh I I've just been yeah but every woman at this table would be acceptable to the majority of men like there are SI I don't know take our clothes

Kendalloff cloth no until we take our clothes off no that's not true think naked men would still take all of us whereas with men we're so judgy on them I I think women

Kendallhold themselves to a higher standard I think like even if men if men I mean this is true because a l why do you think women hold themselves to a standard the world we live inut beauty beauty beauty yeah yeah I'm just talking

Kendallabout beauty women hold themselves to a higher Beauty standard than men do that's why you see the discrepancy right well you're using a specific term there Beauty that's we're talking to Beauty well men's standards is is a bit

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