3 RUDE FERAL GIRLS KICKED OUT?! 1 RAGE QUIT?! Andrew Wilson! DEMON Feminist?! | Dating Talk #153

Date: 2024-04-17

Duration: 6h 03m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLindsay Graham >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donation Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS/Donation Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_02Kendall(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tara(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lindsay Graham(guest)

SPEAKER_05Jaden(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Alien(guest)

SPEAKER_13Madeline(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAlien reveals she is "dating a tree"; describes kissing tree bark and taking a man to visit it.

“"hi I'm alien I'm 25 and I'm also from Arizona" / "technically I'm single but I'm also dating a tree"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson makes joke referencing a previous "born again virgin" episode; Jaden accuses him of being offensive to sexual assault victims; escalates into first major conflict of the night.

“"he came to give us no he came to also give us Church"”

OtherAlien describes sugar daddy arrangement where she was paid extra to stay celibate for him; second sugar daddy pulled guns on her when she accidentally revealed the arrangement.

“"I had a sugar daddy and he was paying me more money for being celibate"”

OtherLindsay Graham reveals former life as meth addict and stripper; describes being coerced into abortion by abusive narcissistic boyfriend.

“"I was a dancer and a drug addict while attending church"”

QuoteAlien rates herself 12/10 on looks; claims she will continue getting hotter into old age.

“"I think I am the most prettiest girl in the world... I'm a magic person"”

ControversyKendall tells Tara to "bite her tongue" and submit to a man; group tension peaks before the kickout.

“"I would love to see you in a relationship where you bite your tongue like half the time"”

OtherBrian kicks out Tara and companions after prolonged combative behavior; "get the fuck out... your permission to be here has been revoked."

“"get the out get out get out just get out"”

OtherAndrew Wilson describes the "Great Ho Reformation" phenomenon: women in their 30s who "rode the carousel" finding Jesus and infiltrating churches to meet men.

“"women out there who are getting into their 30s and they've realized that they have written what we like to refer to as the Carousel"”

OtherKendall reveals she had thyroid cancer (stage 3) discovered the night before surgery; was also pregnant; chose to carry baby to full term before radiation. Now cancer-free but wears hearing aids.

“"I gave birth to her at full term breastfed her for 2 months and then did radiation"”

OtherBrian recounts being scammed $2,000 by David Spearman (spearmint social) for Instagram username @BrianAtlas; plays video evidence of scammer.

“"it's been over 7 weeks almost two months since I paid him $2,000"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Alien reveals she is "dating a tree." Jaden and Madeline reveal 3-year biromantic asexual relationship. Relationship statuses discussed around table.

Same-sex relationship and Christianity

Extended debate between Andrew Wilson and Jaden/Madeline about reconciling their same-sex relationship with Christian faith. Topics: Paul's epistles, submission in marriage, nuclear family, sex and procreation, whether relationship is "just roommates."

Christian communities vs secular: happiness stats

Andrew and Tara debate statistical methods for measuring happiness in religious vs secular communities. Therapy, anti-depressants, divorce rates, polling methodology discussed.

Nuclear family and patriarchy in marriage

Panel debates whether husbands should be final decision-makers. Lindsay and Kendall argue for male leadership in healthy marriages. Tara and Jaden argue for equal partnership. Andrew runs hypotheticals (lasagna, school choice, business investment). TikTok clip of progressive woman lamenting inability to find masculine liberal men played.

Alien personal stories (sugar daddy, guns, tree)

Alien describes: two simultaneous sugar daddy arrangements, one pulling guns on her. Male racist who kissed her but refused to go further. Spending $10k and driving 15 hours to visit a cheating man. Wrecking a marriage; threesome story. Manipulating a man with love letters.

Dating dynamics: who leads, who initiates

Extended back-and-forth with Tara on dating expectations: who approaches, who asks out, who pays on first date, who initiates physical escalation. Brian demonstrates that nearly every step defaults to male initiative.

Self-ratings (1-10 looks)

All guests rate their own looks 1-10. Alien: 12 (self); Jaden: 8; Tara: 7-7.5; Lindsay: 8; Kendall: 8. Debate over objectivity vs subjectivity of beauty standards.

Gender pay gap and women's sports

Quick panel poll: all deny wage gap is significant today. Jaden notes she updated her view after research. Women's sports taking less seriously: briefly discussed.

Beauty standards: male vs female

Debate on whether female beauty standard is more achievable than male. Brian argues female standard (flat stomach, healthy BMI) is attainable by 90% of women; male bodybuilder standard requires genetics/steroids/years of training. Photos shown for illustration.

Tara rage quit and kickout

After hours of contentious debate, Tara and two companions (Madeline's group) stand up indicating they want to leave. Brian tells them to get out (~5:00:36). Three feral girls leave. Remaining guests continue.

Lindsay Graham personal story: stripper, meth, abortion, cancer

Lindsay reveals: former meth addict and stripper in her 20s. Became pregnant by abusive boyfriend who coerced her into abortion at 8 weeks. Thyroid cancer diagnosis (stage 3) discovered night before surgery; chose to carry baby to full term before radiation. Now cancer-free; wears hearing aids due to progressive deafness.

"Great Ho Reformation" at church

Andrew describes phenomenon of women in their 30s who "rode the carousel" now reforming and attending church to find men. Lindsay reveals her own similar background as context.

Brian's $22k scam story (David Spearman / spearmint social)

Brian recounts being scammed out of $2,000 (originally mentioned $22k at intro) by David Spearman and girlfriend Siara Stevens of "spearmint social" who promised to acquire the @BrianAtlas Instagram username. Paid $2k in crypto Feb 22; 7 weeks later no delivery, no refund. Video clips of David Spearman played as evidence.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasthings back to level and then you just want to object to it immediately and then start attacking me which is not going to be productive so here's how this is going to go from I've been sitting here for the past 3 minutes

Brian AtlasAndrew I haven't heard anything particularly objectionable from Andrew however you came in and said he's really something along the lines of wow he's really ugly on the inside that's an adom totally unproductive that's why I'm

Brian Atlaschecking you right now do you understand sure did you say that I said that so that that would then invite Andrew to return fire with fire which will just devolve again

Brian Atlasinto insults and personal attacks so you both need to refrain from the ad HS okay does that make sense sure you do realize that you're contributing to the very

Brian Atlasbelligerent nature of this conversation though yes okay so you don't need to make these little quips under your breath to her to or even directly to him

Brian Atlasor to myself okay do you do you agree okay do you agree to cease with the ad homs and the personal attacks yes

Brian Atlasokay everybody here can we mooving forward can we agree we're going to cease with ad homs and personal attacks yes everyone agree because I think look even if we disagree on I think it's not going to be productive for the

Brian Atlasconversation can we all agree on that does that include calling us dumb I just all ad homs all ad homs and personal attacks I don't think it's going to be productive for this

Brian Atlasconversation yeah we all agreed all all is well I'm going to read a chat here that's relevant her sentence is true and was published in our newspaper in Brazil Kaka is one of the greatest players in

Brian Atlasthe history of Brazilian football five-time world champion has never been involved in any Scandal po which is miracle miracle for the world of football uh Rafael thank you man appreciate it and then we have no we are

Brian Atlasa tree Grapist and hypocritical Christian lesbians this episode is baller at least they like it yep uh we have Daniel W many therapists are not even PhD holders anymore therapy can be

Brian Atlasbad and is oversaturated today divor divorce is abuse towards children these women fail to realize their arguments normalize and praise divorce creat social stigma around it again views on

Jadenchild support uh okay views on child support I support it I think if a woman makes more than a man she should pay

Jadenchild support um if a man makes more than a woman he should pay child support Second it um I think if there I think if there is a joint

Jadencustody and a woman was not having a job within that partnership because the man didn't want her to I feel like it's his fault for not letting her or her fault for not having money of her own I feel

Jadenlike women should have money for their own for this reason I don't believe you should ever leave your husband and wife I mean your husband and children I think that's sad and wrong unless there was cheating what don't you think it's the

Lindsay Grahammost optimal system to have a woman staying at home with the kids yes absolutely that's the design but once they go to school what does she do well that was my question right so why are we paying her child support

Kendallagain all she does what do you mean she doesn't put the kids to sleep she doesn't feed them she doesn't send them to school with stuff like she doesn't cook your food clo them she doesn't she's like an employee to you I answer your questions so if you're if you're

Andrew Wilsonsending your kids to school they're going to school for eight hours a day it's a huge block of your day where there's not kids around that's one two not saying in the formative years that women don't put in a lot of work they do

Andrew Wilsonbut it gets a lot easier for women as the kids get older I mean even by four five 6 7 right they're going to school for most of the day women are not busting their asses anymore to take care of the kids they're just not it gets way

Andrew Wilsoneasier for them men on the other hand still are they're still working the twelves they're still working the 16-hour days so that they can support the family and now they have to do it even more they have to work even more

Kendallhours if the woman's going to stay at home because now the system requires two incomes for you to survive so you have to extend your hours as a man most of the time it sounds like you want the wife to stay at home and raise the children but you're also holding it

Kendallagainst her because you have to go to work no no one's holding it against her yeah because you're like oh you you're not really doing anything you just stay at home and I have to go to work every day saying I'm my claim is it's not

Andrew Wilsonequally yolked she's getting the better end of the bargain so if you bring up what about her housework Etc I'm saying she still gets the better still getting the way better end of The Barking later

Andrew Wilsonbut she has to put in way more she even gets it earlier no she does I agree with him on this I'm sorry but in the beginning when she has to raise the kids till for till what three three years I will say I agree with you on this one

Andrew Wilsonyeah so for four years think the woman needs to be in the house okay how many kids do you have they just hey who here agrees with me who has kids well I do I don't have I with kids agree I want to

Lindsay Grahamput it in a context I want to put it in a context years aren't you businesswoman yes I am but I want to put it in a context that empowers women which is yes women who get to stay home and raise their children while their husband works

Lindsay Grahamhard that is a blessing that that is a blessing to the woman and I have been an entrepreneur my entire life and four years ago I lost everything I had worked

Lindsay Grahamfor and God gave me the gift of enjoying my children at home and I didn't realize how incredibly empowering that was and that was our natural role and I will say this too as well because if I don't keep

Lindsay Grahamtalk you're just going to talk over everybody I will also say this child support started on this concept that well be I stayed home all of those formative years I wasn't able to this is

Lindsay Grahamwhen people got married at like 20 I wasn't able to go to college and build a career and now if we get divorced I don't have anything that I've done for myself except for these children I'm not saying it's right or wrong I'm saying

Lindsay Grahamthat's how child support started but now women and men take advantage of the system where they abuse and they hire the the highest paid lawyer and they they want to get vindictive against

Lindsay Grahamtheir spouse and they literally use government which we shouldn't be using to punish a spouse and get more money that they don't deserve or punish people and not to give them money that they do

Lindsay Grahamdeserve but I will say again women do not work as hard as men doing the dishes and the laundry and paying the bills and running errands and raising your

Kendallchildren is beautiful and it is a gift but that's the job some some men and women run empires together hom that's the job I was a stay-at home

Kendallmom for 9 years I think it's where women need to be I think we need to be in the household I think we need to be barefoot in the kitchen raising our children and

KendallI am now working um I work with my husband and with Lindsay but I I I don't agree with the the child support and some I mean again I think when you're

Kendalltaken like Lindsay said when it started it was is meant that way it's a good thing but at the same time I feel like it should be completely off the table we shouldn't even be discussing this why is divorce such at such a high rate and then we wouldn't need to be having child

Brian Atlassupport I think I saw a statistic that divorce was actually down from 198 fewer people are getting married oh no one gets married that's Joe Biden's America I'm going to read a couple chats here we

Brian Atlashave living the Walmart brand Kiko ain't it thank you living fact we have uh that's going to take a second living thank you man appre apprciate the

Brian Atlasmessages thank you everybody who's uh super chatting and sending in some stream streamlabs messages appreciate it guys like the video while you're watching I'm just waiting for this next one to pull up hold on Anthony velotti

Brian Atlashey thank you man appreciate it Andrew why blank on therapy yes girl with glasses needs a reality check about what's important in life my girlfriend of 15 years passed recently sorry to

Andrew Wilsonhear that I raised two kids I'm on my feet today thanks to my psychologist great I don't think you would object to it in like someone who's trying to get over G people have actual serious trauma but women don't use

Madelinetherapy that same way they'll use therapy for all sorts of why generalize all women under one body big statement to assume not a big statement to assume I'm assuming you're going is there

Andrew Wilsonstatistics that you have for that not only is there statistics that we can site for this but we can look at Psychology itself psychology itself is a soft science it's not a real science

Andrew Wilsonit's a soft science just like the medical field it's a soft science and so we can't reproduce most of the data which is inside of psychology can't reproduce it's massive reproduction crisis believe Psy stop talking I'm

Andrew Wilsonalmost done up to 70% of the studies can't be reproduced in Psychology sociology is terrible with the same exact problem across the board the

Andrew Wilsonquestion becomes with psychology itself and psychologists they're practicing a soft science what are the benefits that you're getting from a psychologist that you wouldn't get from a buddy you would

Andrew Wilsonsay that they have some sort of scientific training I would argue that if the science itself can't be reproduced then it's not scientific at all and they're basically just renting a

Kendallbuddy that's way if you have a buddy then there's a bias response that's coming I disagree with you on the sense that psychology is like completely not worth even considering because you can't reproduce the science or whatever CU I

Kendalldo think it has sorry I do think it has basis in um reality but I do agree that obviously when you speak to a therapist not every therapist is going to be a good one even if they have all their qualifications they're still going to be able to give they're going to give you

Kendallwrong information there a lot of a lot of people who genuinely try therapy they always will tell you that it's a matter of finding a good therapist but this makes my point actually so how how can

Andrew Wilsonyou judge if a therapist is a good therapist or not if it's supposed to be a science but there's no scientific standard from which we judge them other than maybe trial eror by results right

Andrew WilsonI've got a fstar rating or I've got a three star rating well it's a very hang on hang on almost done so then the question becomes if we have no scientific standard you're calling yourself a scientist we know which ones

Kendallare good and which ones are not good how do you know that it's a trial and error thing a lot of it is is you find a therapist who works with you properly because they're able to understand you some therapists aren't good and some are

Kendallsome are good for certain people some are not good for other people some like specialize in certain Fields so that they're used to certain thought patterns and know how to address them accordingly but it's a very it's a very nuanced

Andrew Wilsonthing you can't just randomized and nuanced I would argue back that you might be able to get the exact same results by just going to friend to friend to friend to until you find the right one I would agree with that as

Andrew Wilsonwell however you would probably need to find a very mature friend maybe yeah or maybe an immature friend psychologist who are 23 24 25 26 years old no but I'm that's that's what I'm

Kendallsaying there are bad therapists out there you don't know Mak have you could have a very very mature friend who's who's able to understand certain behaviors and why people do certain things and they can sit down with you and talk to you and help you piece it

Andrew Wilsonout but there's no scientific rigorism it doesn't so so judging it would be just basically judging it off of how you feel as the result so you just think the entire field of psychology is bogus of

Andrew Wilsoncourse okay it's a soft science well it's if it's a soft science and it can't be reproduced what what could I use other than Tales of people saying it's

Andrew Wilsonhorrible and tales of people saying it's good these are not scientific ways to evaluate that there are certain arpes that people fall into when it comes to their personalities because of certain

Brian Atlasbecause of the way they were raised hold on hold on stop stop stop stop right now she's talking you guys were specifically instructed before the show no

Brian Atlassidebar conversation please kindly if somebody's talking don't have a sidebar conversation it's rude to the audience and it's rude to

Brian Atlasher let her speak don't be talking when she's talking go ahead I don't remember what I'm saying my train of thought is okay well we're going to move on because it's kind of not even

Brian Atlasthat interesting all right we have a chat here Patriot Barbie fan hi Lindsay love you so much and follow you on IG saw you meet the president Trump on Sunday and that he pulled you up in front of a crowd to talk to you Andrew

Brian Atlasstopping a dick to her and Kendall all right all right thank you yes I met president Trump that Scott let's cut the crap this woman left her husband broke her vows and the family no excuse black chick

Brian Atlaswith the pink hair STFU and respect the platform I can't imagine a man coming home to your BS too bad with a man it's fine she's with the woman I

Brian Atlascan't imagine I mean you'd have to change the gender I guess um we have no therapy just God coming in here oh I read feminist preaching to the choir deflecting nasty attitudes giving out

Brian Atlashypothetical outliers as evidence to an argument devoid of any uh do you mean logical thought poor me victim attitudes allergic to the truth he logical thought thank you man appreciate it um also I

Jadenthought I was the only feminist here am I not I don't it doesn't seem like you are uh they just think that women respecting themselves and having their own opinions is feminism

Brian Atlasfeminism and also a straw man well done with acious argumentation what's the definition of feminism men and women areal yeah I would I would say it would be the

Kendallmovement towards the egalitarian nature of men and women can you say it a little bit more men and women are less egalitarian yeah well when you're talking about

Kendallegalitarianism you're talking about equality and Equity so it would be the movement towards the equality and Equity between men and women oh I think men and women are uniquely very different and we

Andrew Wilsonare not equal in what ways so many ways I mean I have XX chromosomes you have y no I don't mean biological ways I mean in what way is under the law per view of

Andrew Wilsonthe law the way that you would want to see laws of the land structured would you say that men and women should not be equal think like Kendall think like God's roles for men to be strong protect

Lindsay Grahamprovide yeah providers and prot called into war women are nurturing their children um tending their home creating a you know a beautiful nuclear family

Andrew WilsonDynamic that kind of thing so like for instance let me ask you this we we'll test this real quick and just find out do you think that there should be female

Andrew Wilsonpoliticians yes yeah yes yes yeah why not you don't because it actually it creates a conundrum from the Christian worldview okay this is why I you believe that you should submit to your husband right

Andrew Wilsonabsolutely it says actually they should submit to each other to each other is there anything else that I can help you with can I finish my Kendall so but you know I I wouldn't want to tell him

Andrew Wilsonpolice go ahead no you go ahead are you sure is it okay funny are you are you going to be okay okay so anyway if you submit to your husband right and you're a

Andrew Wilsonpolitician can't and your husband goes to you and says I want you to vote this way are you going to vote that way no oh well that's not submission then yeah because I don't think you should

Brian Atlassubmit to your husband I believe she should hear husband and a wife should be equal say hear out I would absolutely hear question for you who should pay on the first day hold on who should pay on the first date man well you just said

Kendallmen and women should be equal so how do you reconcile that statement don't you believe in Traditional Values yeah but it's what there's a different okay you know what I'll I'll change my answer actually I'll change my answer change my answer

Brian AtlasI'll listen I'm changing my answer if the woman asks the man out first she don't women overwhelmingly women I know but it's this very almost like willfully

Brian Atlasnaive guys one at a time please it's a very willfully naive position to take that well whoever as should pay well overwhelmingly men are the initiators

Kendallokay so your answer may like de facto men are going to be the ones who are asking so your answer might as well be men should pay okay but unless unless what does that have to do with my belief that men and like a wife and a you need

Brian Atlasto tilt your mic down what does that have to do with my belief that a husband and a wife should be equal in a marriage well how do you arrive at a marriage through the courtship process right correct which is unequal if you if your

Brian Atlasthe I do think that the man should pursue why why I don't because I just think he should well initially and you seem to want want to walk it back initially you said well don't you believe in traditional gender rules but

Kendallyou're a feminist how do you reconcile your desire for equality it does contradict no Traditional Values and feminism don't 100% contct well let's see if they don't let's just find out

Brian Atlaslike for example wait let me ask one question sure uh so you do want the guy to pay for the first dat correct if he asks me out sure let's say he does do you want to get married one day yes okay

Lindsay Grahamuh do will you take your husband's last name yes go ahead Andrew you are not a feminist why am I not a feminist you don't want to be a feminist I think you want to align with feminism but I think

Lindsay Grahamsecretly deep down what you want is you want a man to court you to take you to dinner to treat you nice to ask you to marry him and to create a f that's what you're saying kind of right I mean I think it should go both ways but in the beginning the man should do the

Kendallaccording and then the woman should also be well that's a gend isn't that a gender expectation yeah I do think that there are gender rules in society I don't necessarily think that means that men and women are not equal what would

Brian Atlasyour expectations be in a relationship where you're both a feminist but also Desir of a traditional relationship he asks me out takes me on a first date and then after that everything's normal

Brian Atlasthat's it we we just interact normally we like each other we we you so you pay you go 5050 the first day you

Brian Atlasshould will you insist will you insist that it's 50-50 from there on out or if the guy continues to be like no I want to P you I'd probably say something at

Kendallsome point okay so why this arbitrary you want One Singular date for the guy to pay just because like I do think that the guy should be the one pursuing the beginning why because I do believe in Traditional Values that's like to a

Brian Atlascertain extent just not to a point where okay so you want I like the ones I like so for you for you equality is a buffet you want to pick and choose that which

Brian Atlasbenefits you and disregard that which doesn't so you want tradition you want tradition for the men in these scenarios so then you're saying that women should be pursuing first that's

Andrew Wilsonyour no man out on the day if it is your expectation then it brings up the fact that there's kind of an ingrained hypocrisy there right but there isn't right why can't why can't a man pursue

Kendalland then still the woman as equal because I believe that women and men are equal I do think that women should be able to vote just in marriage everything I think that women should be able to vote I think women should be able to Dr

Kendallwomen should have been able to vote for a long time that's a great question should women be drafted I don't know I'll have to think about I don't know I thought they were equal wait you you did say right you did

Andrew Wilsonsay that they should be drafted you want them you want them drafted so if you were drafted tomorrow would you go um I'd probably leave the country yeah you wouldn't go so so much for that equality you stop can you stop fing with that please so much for that equality you

Andrew Wilsonwould flee you would draft a well I mean men could also leave the country yeah I get it but from the equality standpoint it's just kind of interesting that well wait a second I guess in order to be consistent I would have to say yes I

Kendallwould have to get drafted but if you did draft me I'm getting the out of here you're asking me about personal questions I personally would not want to draft an a war I'd leave but do I think that if men get drafted women should be

Kendalltoo yeah I think that's fair yeah but if you actually believe that then you would have to accept the fact that if you get drafted you going to go okay that's fair I'd probably try to leave the country and I'm sure a lot of other guys will

Brian Atlastoo on the military really quick on the military thing is uh this is actually what what happens even for the volunteer force of

Brian Atlaswomen if they're about to be deployed to uh to a conflict Zone conflict area they get pregnant a lot I was about yes frequently frequently they tend to get pregnant which would preclude them from

Brian Atlashaving to be deployed so uh even if you do get drafted or even if you're a volunteer uh a lot of these women tend to I'll just get knocked up I'll just

Brian Atlasget pregnant so I can avoid having to get also typically they get assigned different like not uh com like uh Frontline combat positions anyways so even if they do get deployed they're

Brian Atlastypically much more safer than their male counterparts in the military we have another thing to react to Nick why don't we

Unknownget this is uh Megan Fox she had a video go kind of viral recently can you play it got a lot of Single Ladies here who you know they're having a single summer and they need some advice from you um I don't know if

UnknownI'm the best person to give advice cuz my advice is like just learn a skill or develop a hobby and do not waste your energy on boys honly all they're going to do is

Brian Atlasdrain you just move on invest in yourself we've got a lot of single ladies hereit so that's uh that's it not much there but she does say that uh you know they'll just waste your time and

Brian Atlasdrain you men do you think that there would be an uproar if uh a male of her uh status were to say the same thing but

Brian Atlasjust swap the no I don't think if like uh Ryan Gosling were to say what what's what was the first thing she said Nick could just pull it up one more time what was the first thing she said if Ryan

Unknowngoling would go on an interview and say who you know they're having a single summer and they need some advice from you um I don't know if I'm the best person to give advice cuz my advice is like

Unknownjust learn a skill or develop a hobby and do not waste your energy on boys do not waste your energy all they're going to do is drain you soan

KendallGosling huh this is like advice that men give to other men like don't waste your time on like make sure you develop a hobby go find a job like work yourself be be worth something don't waste your time on hoes and yeah

Kendallbut there's that's because of the value difference right oh so now there's a justification I believe she's saying that people are going to come well wait there is a justification for standard here there's no double standard okay

Andrew Wilsonbecause I don't ascribe to the fact your egalitarian worldview of equality right so let's let's throw in that that there is a distinction in standards because there's a value

Andrew Wilsondistinction the value distinction is is that I disagree with you well okay you can you don't even know what I'm going to say why would you disagree with me you think there's a value distinction between men and women you don't think there is I think that they different I

Andrew Wilsondon't think that they're valued differently no no okay so then you would say that they prefer the exact same things no so there's value differences okay they value different things but

Andrew Wilsonthey themselves are valued the same yeah I wasn't talking about their intrinsic quality or rights yet I'm talking about the things that they value are different different so if if men are valuing for

Andrew Wilsoninstance physical beauty standards youth for children things like this don't really give a about women's income women on the other hand do care a lot about men's income so if men are giving the advice to focus on uh gaining a lot

Andrew Wilsonmore income if they want to have a good stable relationship and have a woman stay at home take care of their kids that really is good advice for women them having a skill long-term skill and

Andrew Wilsonwasting their youthful years doesn't seem to me to be great advice yeah um when you're a woman I think maybe you'd understand but if you waste your entire time no if you were a man I think you'd

Kendallunderstand probably but if you waste your entire time um trying to please men your whole life you do waste yourself away that's not what I said though that's what she's saying she's saying don't waste your time on boys find a hobby develop something interesting

Kendallbecause if you're obsessed with boys and that is your hobby you're going to have a problem okay women have X amount of years where they have strong fertility and that's in their 20s okay that's their strongest years for fertility okay

Andrew Wilsonso if they're busy out developing a skill and wa not wasting any time on boys in their 20s you're misunderstanding what she I'm not misunderstanding what she say because you're not a girl when she's saying don't waste your

Kendalltime on boys she means literally don't make your entire world revolve around boys she doesn't no you're just setting that in that's not what she said yes she doesn't mean never ever talk to a boy she's l boy she's literally dating

Kendallsomebody she has a boyfriend so she's saying work on yourself she work on inste don't drain yourself on find a hob find something else that you like don't make your world revolve

Andrew Wilsonis you're not taking what she actually said you're just mapping what you you want to sound literally dating a man right now just like with almost everything I say to you inter just like everything I say to you you reinterpret it to say something I didn't say that's

Kendallwhat's happening here you did that before with the other girl you said oh he she left because she only wanted money and she only wanted this you made so many assumptions and then here those presuppositions I challenged them no here they doing the I literally she needs therapy that's a presupposition

Kendalllady have issues can you not agree with me but you AG issu could have the issue I'm the therapist it doesn't matter it does matter the point she just needs a better therapist the point is we agree that she

Kendallhas an internal issue it's not about the money and you're just assuming in this case you're also assuming that she means never ever ever talk to a man when that's not what she's saying two separate Point as a girl it's very obvious to know what she means because

Kendallthere are a lot of girls because girls actually go boy crazy and they actually do revolve their entire lives around men what does it have to do with what she actually said versus what you are mapping on to what

Kendallshe said want her to have said that she has a boyfriend so what okay we got one of in circles we're going around in circles she obviously has a girlfriend stop she has a boyfriend I get that I

Kendallget your point that I can see most likely what she meant was hey you know don't waste your time on boys really focus on yourself but I get what you're saying in the sense that for me when I

Kendallwent to college I went to college to get a degree but I also went to college to find my husband I was looking for a man are you wait why is he getting scolded for side

Lindsay Grahamconversation what everyone gets yelled at for side conversations but she was talking directing out of the side to him

Brian Atlassorry my point was I agree with look look look look you've just gone you your Interruption is now greater than his minor sidebar I don't

Brian Atlasalways catch every single side bar that's going to occur but now now I'm having to respond to you because you've just totally interrupted the entire thing let me host okay if I miss a sidebar blame it on me how your husband

Kendallfeel about that what how's your wife feel about it she's not married I'm not married yeah go ahead she is go ahead to a man I genuinely I went to college to obviously

Kendallto get a degree but I also had a goal to find myself a husband I agree with you that women have prime years Where We Are to find a husband to have children and I think it's sad that in today's society

Kendallwomen are focusing more on themselves it's a very me Centric Society right now and in turn they're going into the workforce and they're not having children and they're not getting married

Kendalland I think that's a really sad place to I think the reason for that the reason why giving women rights makes them decide to be more independent and not want to marry in order to participate in society is because they aren't happy in

Kendalltheir marriages because men are used to acting no like you respectfully and or like you yeah that's fair respectfully said dick you a bit no that's fine I don't care I don't need to

Kendallthrow back but um just they they act in ways where it's like the women must submit the woman must live for me and unfortunately women are people too for you that's unfortunate and we don't

Kendallnecessarily want to live just for a man we want to live for ourselves as well and if a man can't understand that then we don't want to be married to them and there are a lot of men who cannot understand that so A a lot of women no longer want to why should we try why

Kendallshould we waste our lives away for a man to just be like good stay at home do this let me not respect you let me let me act like hang on that's not the right kind of man you're not finding the right kind of man there L but there's a lot of men like that there AR so you got to seed them out you got to look for the

Kendallright kind of man cuz I'm telling you the man that I am married to loves and respects and I feel like women are I I do think women put men down way too

Andrew Wilsonoften I think it goes both ways so absolutely AB moving so moving back to this let's let's test this and see if this is correct you think that

Andrew Wilsonwomen are staying away from men and trying to go towards relationship because men are just big meany heads yeah yeah I mean that's what you said right yeah no I yeah I mean if you want

Kendallto make it sound stupid go ahead I can you can you explain though why you think that if if men if women were happy in their marriages then giving them the right to participate in society without marriage wouldn't have impact on

Kendallmarriage but it does because they don't like it they don't like being married because they're not being treated well in marriage right you have you have what about the incentives that they have to get here she's very happy in her marriage because her husband treats her

Kendallnicely what about the incentives they have to get divorced though they have incen to get divorce yeah but if you actually like your partner you're not going to want to get divorced right I'm sure kend has an incentive no Kendall is not going to divorce her husband just

Andrew Wilsonfor the money she likes her husband yeah so what Kindle's not every woman when you talk about inations when you talk about incentivization back the other direction what you're saying is there's

Kendallno possibility that there could be incentivization the other direction which could convince a woman to leave her husband that's what you're saying if she doesn't like him yeah there are a lot of incentives but if he's treating her perfectly well and she is perfectly

Kendallhealthy as an individual as well then there shouldn't be no problem she would have no reason to leave so so hang on why would I understand what you're saying I just want to Grant it I want to make sure I'm not strawmanning you I'm

Andrew Wilsongoing to steal man it back to you if a woman's happy in her marriage even if there's incentives she's going to stay or the problem is either that she's actually miserable because of the way he's treating her or there's something

Andrew Wilsonwrong with her correct then this would The Logical extension of this would be then that you actually believe that women are initiating most marriages because there's nothing wrong with them but because it's men's fault no I think

Andrew Wilsona lot of women get married too soon so it's their fault I don't think women get married soon enough it's both yeah then why if it's both then how come men aren't initiating those divorce as much

Kendallas women I mean they do as well they don't they do sometimes why aren they as much as for Mone pause for them not to want to

Kendallwait one second please wait one second women really love to romanticize love on the flip side men are very logical thinkers and they're okay with going with the problems when there's a problem

Kendallafter a problem most times women are like I'm out I'm done it's because of this we love we want to get married because we want the big wedding we want

Kendallthis idea of Love instead of actually knowing what love is so age I think to go along someone had said that people are getting married too young I think someone said that I think you said that

Kendalllindsy did not oh you said that are getting married too young I I think I have a lot of friends that are married and in my opinion I think they are too young but I think that because I I see

Kendallall these people that get married young and then they get divorced but it's because they haven't found themselves so I think if we taught our children to learn how to be how how to be themselves

Andrew Wilsonand how to actually find who they are inside we could could promote us actually getting married early I wonder if that's true if you can respond to

Andrew Wilsonthis if you think it's due to youth why is it that from the Christian frame if a person and two people marry as virgins when they're young and

Kendallthey're Christians their likelihood to divorce drastically decreases I mean drastically well in my opinion if they're I believe it's because of the this hookup culture in general when when

Kendallyou are virgins to begin with you don't know really what you're missing out on is what I view it as so once you have had sex before outside of it then you're going to want to continuously have it hang on I want to speak I'm going to

Kendallspeak to this because I was on my wedding I'm going to speak to this and I got married young I don't think me not experiencing other men is the thing I

Kendallfeel like I was able to connect with my husband on such an intense level because we weren't physical with each other and we got to know each other you know

Kendallemotionally deeply that's what you two were talking about earlier um but I also think I wish that people got married younger not necessarily sooner like don't you're not dating for 2 weeks and

Kendallyou get engaged but I wish people would get married younger because you grow together whereas opposed to these people that are getting older or getting married older you have all these separate

Kendallfinances you're not able to I have friends who the the wife pays the husband the mortgage every month like that's crazy yeah mhm that is crazy and

Andrew Wilsonyeah so the what the data shows is that yes if you are virgins and yes if you get married young and you're Christian yes your divorce rates Chris yes it is but I thought that your

Kendallprimary thing that you wanted was to reduce divorce I do but not because not because they believe that God thinks divorce is bad but because they're actually happy in their marriages they're reporting they report their wait no no no this contradicts what you just

Andrew Wilsonsaid you just said that women are leaving their marriages because they're not happy inside of their Mar I literally made sure to steal man it so that you would agree to it you're saying it wrong I said women are not getting

Andrew Wilsonmarried because they don't want to be with somebody no no no no no no here was the steel man I'll give it back to you the Steel Man here's exactly what happened and you can replay this if you don't believe me I said so you're saying

Andrew Wilsonwomen are initiating these divorces because the men are mistreating them or in some way something or there's something wrong with something wrong with the men and you said yes yeah okay so if that's the case then that would

Kendallstill be the case even with these Christians so are these young men just way higher quality men because Christian Christians especially more devout Christians don't believe in divorce controversal espe your own Community if

Kendallyou get dived but it's not socially acceptable like you can say that but it's not I don't think it has anything to do my husband and I are not my husband and I are not come from a Christian Community don't don't be full

Kendallof from a je that's not a Christian Community simar in the sense that Sim everybody's extremely Orthodox they get married very early they they stay married for a very long time they don't give a about divorce not a big deal in Na's Community it's not a huge deal I

Andrew Wilsonlove how you're talking like you know I love how you talking like you do I'm telling you Christi in these Christian communities which you're speaking on just so that you understand they are reporting their

Andrew Wilsonhappiness levels much higher they're they have less anti-depressant use they go to therapy and therapists far less they they have far less of these

Kendallsocietal issues that you see doation of this yes they are documented no there's less there's less anti- depressants prescriptions because there's less therapy because they don't believe in

Kendalltherapy no no hang on hang on my husband and I go to therapy we are actively in therapy how come living R are higher hang on let me finish because we believe in marriage I am not going to divorce my husband because of the fact that I don't

Kendallbecause the Bible says don't get divorced I mean that's part of it but I feel like I want to work on my marriage and so I do go to therapy and we do work hard on it and it's not because strictly

Kendallthe Bible tells us not to but but a good things take work a lot of women especially if you're in a very religious community where your your social points or whatever is dependent on how well you're doing in life a lot of women

Kendalldon't necessarily want to divorce even if they're in a bad marriage or they're unhappy because they don't want everybody else to say certain things or they don't want to take that step with their life they're very SC would that

Andrew Wilsonlead to poor outcomes it would lead to poor outcomes well then where can you demonstrate the poor outcomes because all of them are reporting that the outcomes are better not only they're getting divorced less hang on their kids are far less prone to to get into any

Andrew Wilsontype of crimin activity at all their kids are far more likely to be stable in life they're far more likely to graduate from high school they're far more likely to do all of these things and on top of that because of religion and on top of that well you

Andrew Wilsonjust got done saying it is you just literally got done saying that's because there's all these incentives who keep them together systems and then you're saying that's all because of religion when I said one thing was because of religion yes but I no no no I just asked

Andrew Wilsonyou wouldn't they have worse outcomes and you said yes but when we look at the outcomes are not wor not just because they're religious they don't report they're unhappy but that's because they're not doing anything that would like how are they going to report it please if they don't go to therapy if

Andrew Wilsonyou research your yeah exactly a few researcher can call them and say are you unhappy and they would say yes that's not how it happens is how it happens no that's not how it happens how how is data gathered you you do studies you you

Kendalltake a St and in the study how do they gather the data you take a study how do they gather the data for the study but I'm saying in this study how do they gather the data for the study the population question sorry the population question here

Kendallthey're literally not going to therapy they don't go they don't believe they St they go to their priests they do their what you're saying they're stable cuz that's what the stats show but they not actually saying like they they don't have they do they they literally use polling data they use how they do that

Kendallthey just called them up and they're like hey are you Happ way that they do for secularists no that's not yes yes tell me how they do they have therapists and they have anti-depressants and for the religious you have the priest and you have the infrastructure are they

Andrew Wilsongoing to the priests yeah sometimes they talk to people who are in the church but just like with secist they'll also just call directly to the housewife they don't do that they do do that as part of a sample size PE will call people and

Andrew Wilsonliterally ask them a series of questions to make a determination on their answers how many people give similar answers to come up with data of course they do okay okay then give me the alternative for how this is done you you figure out the

Kendallstats on how the the doctors are prescribing anti-depressants you figure out how many people are starting to go to therapy compared to how many were years ago you you do all these different how would you determine IND ually who's unhappy and who

Andrew Wilsonisn't I how would you determine individually asking them like they do okay I will say I don't understand where where you're going my point is is that if we look at the outcomes you you speak out of both sides of your mouth

Andrew Wilsonyou say it's not because of Christianity but it's because of Christianity then when we look at the outcomes I say the outcomes in this group far better for everybody you say that's not because of the religion almost like not everything's black and white and there's

KendallNuance might be because of Christianity and other things might not well which things do you think may not be right I think I think the fact that the stats show that they're happier and the fact that that they're getting divorced less I think that is because their society

Kendalland a very very Christian one I'm not talking about a very secular society where there's some Christians I'm talking about a devout Christian Society where everybody is practicing very devoutly okay and that sort of society

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Kendallahead whatever um this this community is filled with people who believe in very similar values and those values tend to be no divorcing no no therapy therapy is bad

Kendallno anti-depressants these things are bad and so all of the other stats that that other that people would usually be able to base off in order to determine is this community happy hangang you

KendallChristian Community says that um it's bad to be on anti-depressants and it's bad to go to therapy more devout Christian communities believe that from my understanding maybe I'm wrong I don't think that's right absolutely not that's

Andrew Wilsonabsolutely wrong I will say that when you do accept Jesus into your life are you guys I mean actually you're actually right just so you know yes it is true that they often don't have to go to therapists because they have the infrastructure of therapy there they

Andrew Wilsonhave their priests they have their Community they need it less and what ends up happening is yes you can make these determinations uh based on what these people are self-reporting and you can look at their outcomes versus the rest

Andrew Wilsonof population that's how you would do the happiest happiness index globally you would look at the outcomes who who has the houses and who's living with food in their belly blah blah blah you would add all that to a happiness index why wouldn't you add that same type of

Kendallthing when it came to outcomes for individuals of course you would for individuals I just like when you're talking about individuals it's like a little bit hard when you're talking about a community that's different right if you're talking about a Christian Community versus like a regular secular Community but it's made up of

Andrew Wilsonindividuals yeah so we're just looking for averages when you're talking about one individual you can't you can't I'm not talking about one individual we're talking about an entire we are talking about the community that's the point but the point is within this community these

Kendallindividuals seem very much more well adjusted than other individuals is because first of all Christianity but other other things is no but I'm saying because Christianity denounces certain

Kendallideas like divorce and therapy and whatever but also I do think that because Christianity promotes the nuclear family which I actually do think is a great thing yeah that also helps a lot it's too bad that feminism doesn't

Andrew Wilsonthat's I don't necessarily think that's true I think feminism just promotes that men and women are equal I would you like me to read the quotes of the famous feminists who say that the nuclear family needs to be destroyed and eradicated taken it too far and I would disagree with them but just because I'm

Andrew Wilsona feminist doesn't mean I have to agree with every feminist take yeah but in order to achieve egalitarianism you have to remove the nuclear family because the nuclear family requires patriarchy no it doesn't it does no it doesn't Okay so the nuclear family does not require mom

Andrew Wilsonwho stays at home and a father who works even if it does that's not patriarchy then what is it they can still treat each other with respect respect has nothing to do with patriarchy if you if you were in charge of a family what do

Kendallyou consider patriar be means is home of the father it's just means by yeah patriarchy means a society run by men it doesn't mean your house can't can't be like a man can't be a head of a household yeah he can then it would be a

Kendallpatriarchal household no it wouldn't then who runs it they can the man can be how can a man be a head of a household but not run it cuz he's making all the money but that doesn't mean he has to not take any word from his wife and just do whatever I'm pretty sure you're supposed to just leave the supposed to

Kendallbe the man wait wait wait I'm so so confused is he in charge of the household no they're both in charge oh they're both in charge okay so then inside he has more say over certain things and she has more say over certain things right they're both in charge she

Kendallhas more say for example over the children what should the children do should the children do this should so you think that if you think that the nuclear family the money because he making the money if you think that the nuclear family is the backbone of

Kendallsociety mhm okay do you think that um I would say having two parents presence is the backbone of society I wouldn't necessarily say one has to stay home I would think that it's better well it's optimal right yeah definitely so I mean

Andrew Wilsonif you're if you're going off of what's optimal if we look at the society and nuc family was most present definitely the men were in charge of those households I don't think it has to be that way okay maybe not but they definitely were okay but it doesn't have

Andrew Wilsonto be okay but even if not can you acknowledge that they were yeah and that that worked great that was how history was and that that worked fine I disagree that what what so then you don't really believe that the nuclear family you just want what you want is some kind of

Kendallbizarre equality family no I agree on a nuclear I believe in a nuclear family however it only works if if the parents who are leading the family are both father no the parents now the father

Kendallwhatever are both well adapted adjusted individuals who are emotionally mature and respect each other equally if that's not happening then your nuclear household is going to be a toxic household where both the parents are

Andrew Wilsonjust fighting all time and you keep on conflating this idea of leadership and respect this is very strange So when you say respect each other equally right

Kendallwhat do you mean by that I mean respect should be going both ways I get that but I'm not sure what you mean by equally like how you expect her to respect you you should be respecting her like for

Andrew Wilsoninstance let me give you just a quick easy example okay say a man gets home from working and he walks in and his wife has leaned over a stove and he gives her a nice open Palm smacked the

Andrew Wilsonass right and she goes don't do that and he goes shut up then he goes and he sits down he drinks his beer and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah right next day she comes in she does the same thing to

Kendallhim right and he goes don't ever do that again right is that is that the kind of equality you're talking about I think in your scenario if the husband properly respected his wife if she said don't do that again he'd say oh I'm sorry I

Andrew Wilsondidn't mean to bother you and then she wouldn't do that okay so so then if they have a financial dispute and he says I want the money to go here and she says no I want it to go here he's making the money so I think he should probably have the say if they have a child dispute I

Andrew Wilsonwant my child to go to this school you want your child to go to this school I think so she takes over the children and where they go to school and he makes the fin decisions yeah I mean they probably make those decisions together so she gets an

Andrew Wilsoninheritance from her mother of $100,000 does he get to decide where that goes no that's her money no that's her money right he's making the money that's why he has to say she's raising the kids that's she has to say that's that's her money why isn't it his

Kendallmoney why isn't his the one money that he's making her money it is it's l he's literally taking care of the entire family with it okay then why doesn't she got a say over it what do you mean

Kendallbecause first of all he can go go to his wife and you can say to your wife um you know or she can she can she can come to you with these with these is if you're with somebody and you're talking to somebody and you genuinely respect them

Kendallif they get $100,000 from their parent you're not going to want that money and if they respect you they're going to want to share it with you regardless what if you do want the money I mean if you want the money more than you care about them as a person then you just need to work on yourself I don't understand if if you want to keep

Andrew Wilsonthe money more than you care about your spouse as a person yeah that's what I'm saying respect needs to go both ways they shouldn't expect to get the money no saying that the respect doesn't go both ways but what we're trying to get to is if there's a dispute in the

Kendallhousehold there's only two people one has to make the ultimate decision yes but if two people are working as a team if two people are working as a team it's not necessarily so spiteful right there doesn't have to be I'm not saying it's spiteful nor adversarial I'm saying

Andrew Wilsonsomeone has to make the ultimate decision which one why can't they make it to together because they fundamentally disagree on something okay so give me an example of what they fundament here's a great example so a

Andrew Wilsonhusband says I want the kid to go to a uh Christian School it's 20 minutes further okay and she says you know in the morning I don't want to drive the extra 20 minutes and he says you know what it's super important to me that he

Andrew Wilsongoes to a Christian School it's part of the faith the family I need you to do this and she says no I don't want to do it it's too much work something like this right who who's the tiebreaker I mean it's that's like unreasonable

Kendallobviously she's going to take the kid to school right like if she's if she's putting up a fight because she doesn't want to take the kid to school because it's just too far like that's a little bit ridiculous absolutely okay now he says I'm I want to take our investment

Andrew Wilsonsavings and start a business and it's risky it's mitigated risk but I still want to start the business anyway so I can follow my dreams does he get to do that yes um I definitely think they should make that decision together

Kendallbecause if he fails but they can't agree yeah well if he fails and he does it anyway they okay so if they don't agree he obviously can do it anyways but if he fails you understand she's going to hold

Andrew Wilsonit against I understand he can but what I'm asking about is should so what I'm saying is if if oh stop if a person if they cannot agree they can't agree in this context they're fighting about it

Kendallthey're worrying about it they can't figure it out somebody has to be the decision maker in that case do you defer to him dep it depends on the context is what I keep I just gave you the context right so in that context yes you defer

Kendallto him if he fails it's on him you can blame him for it but it does affect you right of course it's going to affect okay so I don't understand where the equality is then what do you mean we literally well if it's always just a

Kendalldeference to the man where's the equality different examples in which different it depends it's a nuanced thing right A lot of these are nuanced you have a very basic and Collective take on everything it's like

Kendallall men are this and all women are this and this is how when the real world is very gray it's nuanced it's mixed with black and white it's not a very like this situation should so then how come when I give you Nuance takes by giving

Andrew Wilsonyou nuance IAL you complain I didn't I just gave you ANW so back this I'm so happy this is recorded every single one of them I gave answer to well this is true but this comes to our ultimate

Andrew Wilsonquestion then I can't figure out then what you mean by equal equal means they work together they they respect each yeah but if ultimately it just comes down to the man makes the ultimate decision that's not ultimately what it comes down to then how come every

Andrew Wilsonexample I give you it does because that's not what happened right it is what happened right it's not what happened every can you give me the scenario where you said the woman makes the choice any of the hypotheticals I gave hypothetical where you slapped her on the ass and she said she didn't like

Andrew Wilsonit there you go she said like you didn't say defer to her either I I said you should listen she didn't like it she said you should listen but not the deference what I'm asking is who makes the ultimate decision is it the mancis

Kendallis it the man or is it the woman every example I give you seems to defer the man depends on the context yeah what should my cont what should my child wear to school today should we put him in the in the red shirt or the blue shirt oh I

Kendalldon't know the wife will make that decision what should we eat for dinner today should it be pizza or should it be lasagna or should it be I don't know my wife will make that decision what should what should should the house be done in this way or should whatever BL I don't

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Kendalltheir home home does that look worse on the man or woman maybe reason for hierarchy look worse on the man the man loses interesting he's asking like if it goes into

Lindsay Grahamloses loses their home I guess he's saying like if a man loses her home is the man's fault he's trying to establish that the man is the head of the household because if they lose their home people are going to say

Brian Atlasthat's the man's fault they're not going to say oh the wife failed the family very nuanced in situational if she's drunk on a Tuesday and she lights the house on fire probably her fault

Brian Atlasprobably definitely abely we can all agree there we were having uh to the viewers apparently this was YouTube wide there was some weird viewership glitch

Brian Atlasour viewer count was up at like 10,000 almost 10,000 and then it dropped to like 200 it happened a little earlier on in the Stream now it looks like it's recovering there was also some weird chat issue going on where people

Brian Atlascouldn't send uh messages in the chat I was freaking out my YouTube Channel wasn't loading I was like oh did we get banned during the live stream I think everything is okay now but it it

Brian Atlasdid dip went back up and dipped again I'm hoping it it's fully fixed now um unfortunately I think we lost a lot of uh organic viewers in the process so I

Andrew Wilsonthink it's all fixed um anyway I just want to finish this exchange real quick yeah so I'm trying to figure out in context when the man inside of the nuclear family has a

Andrew Wilsonfundamental disagreement when you think he should defer to the woman and if he doesn't defer to the woman right is it worth breaking up the household over the fact that he won't

Andrew Wilsondefer so you're asking me what exactly scenarios he should defer to the woman no I'm asking you inside of the scenarios where whatever they are that you believe he should okay because you're like they got to be equal right she it's the lasagna is her

Andrew Wilsonresponsibility he needs to shut his mouth right that on that lasagna but he doesn't want lasagna he doesn't want lasagna he's more of a spaghetti and meatball hang on hang on he's more of a spaghetti and meatballs guy more of a

Andrew Wilsonspaghetti and meatballs guy he's like no okay she wants the lasagna no but she wants yeah I know but he says no she's cooking the lasagna yeah I know but cooking but he walks in he walks in he says well then fine no grocery money for

Andrew Wilsonthe lasagna what are we doing are we are we like are we trying to hold I'm trying to figure out I'm trying to figure out ultimately right your a relationship doesn't work when you're trying to to be like you do this and you do this and

Andrew WilsonI'll do this like that's not how it works I agree I'm not I'm not disputing this should but what I am saying is all the way if you come down to a tiebreaker you have to have somebody who is the

Kendalldecision depends if it's the woman cooking the deal the meal and she wants lasagna she should be the one who's making the decision if he's making the money and he decides he wants to go gamble all his money away and risk it on a business and whatever go like he's the

Kendallone making the money I think the man has the ultimate say personally in think if she wants to make lasagna for dinner and he wants spaghetti she should make

Lindsay Grahamspaghetti absolutely did he work all day why but why shouldn't he or she what but also on a Case by case basis a good man is not going to come home and see that

Lindsay Grahamhis wife has slaved away making lasagna and say throw it away and make me ABS a good probably wouldn't do that that's not what we're saying we're not saying that what we're saying is is ultimately

Andrew Wilsonall I'm asking all I'm trying to get at is that inside of a relationship you do especially inside of a marriage there are going to be problems that come up where there's going to be perhaps IR

Andrew Wilsonreconcilable differences on decision making doesn't mean that a person can't consult you or you can't consult them or this type of thing but somebody has to make the ultimate choice between the two

Kendallof you right I just don't you think that that should be the man if it's a nuclear family Dynamic no I think it still depends on the context okay but like like they said ideally if you're marrying a man anyways who's going to be

Kendallrespectful to you then it doesn't matter right like if you you can treat him however he wants to be treated and he'll give you the energy back because he loves you too right and then you'll get everything you need because you're being

Kendalla good husband and wife I mean whatever and she's being a good wife right but if if he's being toxic and he still wants her to submit then I have a problem yeah but it that's a subjective metric for

Andrew Wilsontoxicity right so like the things that you would consider toxic would be would be basic basically anything that you just don't like not true what do you think controlling Behavior would be

Kendalltoxic what do you think what controlling Behavior would be toxic like what's an example of controlling like you tell your wife to make spaghetti when she wants to make Li why would that be controlling it's just a matter of your

Kendallpreference right yeah but if she if she always makes you I mean makes dinner let's say every single day right and then she wants to make lasagna one day because she's really craving lasagna and you're like no you're going to make it's

Andrew Wilsonlike what is she so so where do we delineate between preference and control in this sense right if your husband doesn't want you to go another guy is he being controlling no that sense that would be an enforcement of

Kendallpreference right yes so where do we draw that line um it depends on whether you're being it's subjective right no not really I think God draws the line the line is based on where like your behavior right if a woman is very

Andrew Wilsonbeing very very promiscuous out and about and then a man her husband says don't do that that's fair I don't think he's being telling me where that line is between where it becomes controlling and

Kendallwhere it's no longer controlling the part where it's controlling is when you're telling her to do something that no longer impacts you as a person but you're your spaghetti impacts you that doesn't really impact you it does really impact you well hang on let me say this

Andrew Wilsonlet me this that's my whole point it does but hang on but it does but this is a point if we're going emotionally like it gives going from the limited amount well that makes no sense though that's because we're engaged in car we got

Kendallhours of this relax we'll get over there why know we're all about to leave though like none of us are feeling it oh God fine we'll move it on sorry please and thank

Jadenyou you guys just don't agree we've got that okay and it is what it is at that point yeah I don't think anyone's going to be changing many of their opinions so we can just say our opinions not for you guys to change your guys'

Brian Atlasopinions we have Scott here girl with the glasses you think men and women should be equal within marriage than sign a prup before marriage signing a prenup shows that what's yours is yours

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